Well said David....

[thirdwave]

From His last news letter, wise words IMO.

"There is so much hostility and bile passing around the conspiracy research arena when we should be supporting each other despite differences in emphasis and belief. The unity of purpose does not need every detail agreed - just a commitment to freedom for all."

[limelady]

I agree with David, and people need to read THIS (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11712)thread to fully understand what's really going on.

[soglad]

*DING*

That's David hitting the nail on the head again.

Meh, where'd all the peace go? People trying to kill the peace-lovers.

Crazy world, eh?

:D

[lydia78]

A fine statement from a fine man!!:)

[dondaz]

just a commitment to freedom for all."

I'm comitted to freedom for all. And I'm learning not to take the bait:rolleyes:

Glad to see yer still around soglad:)

[alleendewaarheid]

david's correct!

but that is what the illuminati's loves to do....get people fighting and divided...that's where their power comes from..

create the illusion of separateness.

i've seen it with disinformation agents of the internet. they work in groups and try to create disharmony.

that's also why the media wants to promote the idea of racism and other hate...

they even spread the lie about the animal kingdom being dangerous and violent..here's evidence to the contrary..MUST SEE VIDEO! http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/play/audiogallery/soundseen.shtml

[soglad]

I'm comitted to freedom for all. And I'm learning not to take the bait:rolleyes:

Glad to see yer still around soglad:)

Yeah, spend a few days traveling to get to Australia, I'm on the Sunshine Coast now...........bliss.

[strider]

There has been a few forum members that have said this already.. Why do people need to wait until David Icke says it for the penny to drop :confused:

[tintin]

There has been a few forum members that have said this already.. Why do people need to wait until David Icke says it for the penny to drop :confused:

Well yes, that's true,
but it is indeed amazing how much hostility there
is in conspiracy land.

And one of the main things in David Icke
that attracted me in the first place was his tolerant
attitude.

So agree or disagree with Icke, but he is never
forcing his opinions on folks.
And he can hit the nails sometimes pretty good....

[lydia78]

Well yes, that's true,
but it is indeed amazing how much hostility there
is in conspiracy land.

And one of the main things in David Icke
that attracted me in the first place was his tolerant
attitude.

So agree or disagree with Icke, but he is never
forcing his opinions on folks.
And he can hit the nails sometimes pretty good....

Amen Tintin!!lol:)

[strider]

So agree or disagree with Icke, but he is never
forcing his opinions on folks.
And he can hit the nails sometimes pretty good....

I certainly wasn't saying I disagree with Icke, just that this sort of thing has been said before by lots of members here, but as soon as Icke says it, it seems like it has to be true..

[thirdwave]

I certainly wasn't saying I disagree with Icke, just that this sort of thing has been said before by lots of members here, but as soon as Icke says it, it seems like it has to be true..


easy, because Icke is often the one targeted by this conflict.... so from the horses mouth is always more interesting...

[strider]

I give up...:rolleyes:

[mad as a cat]

I've just looked at the link about the animals (I won't spoil the story for those who haven't seen it).

Let's just say....if the animal world can sort out their 'differences',why can't humans,who have a greater capacity for understanding their 'differences'?

:):):):)

[i_am]

I've just looked at the link about the animals (I won't spoil the story for those who haven't seen it).

Let's just say....if the animal world can sort out their 'differences',why can't humans,who have a greater capacity for understanding their 'differences'?

:):):):)

At a rough guess, and without having watched the video, I would say because they do not have to rationalize everything, they don't have an ego that has to be right and they just 'are'.

[Anders Lindman]

MUST SEE VIDEO! http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/play/audiogallery/soundseen.shtml

Wow. That was amazing. Not like the usual animal programs shown on big media networks.

[lottie]

At a rough guess, and without having watched the video, I would say because they do not have to rationalize everything, they don't have an ego that has to be right and they just 'are'.

spot on i am.... as far as i have learnt....animals do not have reasoning/rationalitiy!! This is what im forever explaining to friends who have animals who dont understand why their animals dont comply with their owners wishes etc.....

ps; Icke's statement spot on too!! like others have said though....shame it takes the man himself to say it for it to be given any credibility! :)

[strider]

ps; Icke's statement spot on too!! like others have said though....shame it takes the man himself to say it for it to be given any credibility! :)

What's even more of a shame, is that people need reassurances from others instead of using their own intuition and intelligence..

And it makes me wonder how many people on here subconsciously do see Icke as some guru figure whislt absolutely denying it, and even using Icke quotes in arguments against you or others..

I'm sure there will be most who read this and think I'm talking shite, but don't worry, Icke might say something similar in his next newsletter and it will be alright..:D

[lottie]

What's even more of a shame, is that people need reassurances from others instead of using their own intuition and intelligence..

And it makes me wonder how many people on here subconsciously do see Icke as some guru figure whislt absolutely denying it, and even using Icke quotes in arguments against you or others..

I'm sure there will be most who read this and think I'm talking shite, but don't worry, Icke might say something similar in his next newsletter and it will be alright..:D

LOL- i think the majority on here share his sentiments...many have said the same...its only a few who dispute it, they are usually the ones who come on here and disrupt things...give people on here more credit lovely....just they dont spout it all the time as it doesnt get heard untill such a time as now when Icke says the very same thing!!

People are only human....we all make mistakes, we all change our minds, we all have different opinions, im learning all the time so my opinions are changing all the time, i get sick of my friends saying 'yeah but last week you said...blah blah....now you're saying something different' and i say 'yes, maybe i did, but im learning all the time and my opinons and views are changing all the time'- i dont see why i have to be ridgid in my beliefs!

[strider]

People are only human....we all make mistakes, we all change our minds, we all have different opinions, im learning all the time so my opinions are changing all the time, i get sick of my friends saying 'yeah but last week you said...blah blah....now you're saying something different' and i say 'yes, maybe i did, but im learning all the time and my opinons and views are changing all the time'- i dont see why i have to be ridgid in my beliefs!

I don't think my beliefs are rigid, I'm just questioning why people can't use their own nous..

I know what you mean about your beliefs changing all the time, trust me, mine used to changed minute by minute. But there comes a time when you don't hold in beliefs in that sense and everything is just information. And I don't mean in a book reading sense.

What I was getting at, is why do people have to wait to have something confirmed to them by a particular someone?

Don't get me wrong, I think Icke is a genius, and I hope I get the chance to shake his hand and say thank you one day. But I don't look up or down to anyone, and I absolutely make my own decisions on what is right for me...No matter who wrote or said it..

Jeez, even albie said something sensible the other day :D

[baron von lotsov]

david's correct!

but that is what the illuminati's loves to do....get people fighting and divided...that's where their power comes from..

create the illusion of separateness.

i've seen it with disinformation agents of the internet. they work in groups and try to create disharmony.



Not all of them. You can't pick them out so easily. Some try the opposite and spread a load of lies and accuse those who are exposing them as disharmonious. Without debate these people will walk all over you lot. I'd say it should be more like the Houses of Parliament than a New Age faith center. You see disinfo does not fair very well when it is examined and once people are exposed there is going to be hostility. How can you have a war without hostility? These people have no morels; they are doing their master's bidding and will try and crush you people with every trick in the book. David has fallen for a few in his time so maybe his example might not be the best one to follow. I'd say the best thing to do is follow no one and use your own head.

[razed1]

Not all of them. You can't pick them out so easily. Some try the opposite and spread a load of lies and accuse those who are exposing them as disharmonious. Without debate these people will walk all over you lot. I'd say it should be more like the Houses of Parliament than a New Age faith center. You see disinfo does not fair very well when it is examined and once people are exposed there is going to be hostility. How can you have a war without hostility? These people have no morels; they are doing their master's bidding and will try and crush you people with every trick in the book. David has fallen for a few in his time so maybe his example might not be the best one to follow. I'd say the best thing to do is follow no one and use your own head.

"step into the light, my child, im here to save you"
-Jesus to Baron on 12.22.2012

[revolutionary_jam]

we should unite under issues of common ground instead of discounting one another on grounds of dispute.

[matrixcutter]

So what about the people saying it's "the Jews"? Do we just accept anti-semitism because we all want freedom?

What if some "conspiracy theorists" started promoting paedophilia, or mass genocide, or whatever? Do we just accept it all because Icke doesn't want any criticism?

These are serious questions, please answer them seriously.


This philosophy basically boils down to a license to say anything and encourage hundreds of thousands of "followers" to go down any path.

[thirdwave]

I don't think my beliefs are rigid, I'm just questioning why people can't use their own nous..

I know what you mean about your beliefs changing all the time, trust me, mine used to changed minute by minute. But there comes a time when you don't hold in beliefs in that sense and everything is just information. And I don't mean in a book reading sense.

What I was getting at, is why do people have to wait to have something confirmed to them by a particular someone?

Don't get me wrong, I think Icke is a genius, and I hope I get the chance to shake his hand and say thank you one day. But I don't look up or down to anyone, and I absolutely make my own decisions on what is right for me...No matter who wrote or said it..

Jeez, even albie said something sensible the other day :D

its nothing to do with not using your own intuition... He is a full time working for this.... its his whole life.... and his name is famous for being what he is... there for he will always be used as a spokes person for this... I could jump on TV and tell people they should stick together and get the info out... it might go down well.. or people might go "who is this guy" ... when David Icke says something it hits more ears than when I do... there for I have more of an interest in what he says because I feel it has more inpacked...

in this case I felt he said something that hit home with me... something I would say.... but the difference is it went out to loads of people who receive his emails..

nothing to do with his views being more important or potent than mine or anyone else here... just to do with they have more weight behind them... and also other people lay into him... so it was nice to see him react with wise words.

[strider]

its nothing to do with not using your own intuition... He is a full time working for this.... its his whole life.... and his name is famous for being what he is... there for he will always be used as a spokes person for this... I could jump on TV and tell people they should stick together and get the info out... it might go down well.. or people might go "who is this guy" ... when David Icke says something it hits more ears than when I do... there for I have more of an interest in what he says because I feel it has more inpacked...

in this case I felt he said something that hit home with me... something I would say.... but the difference is it went out to loads of people who receive his emails..

nothing to do with his views being more important or potent than mine or anyone else here... just to do with they have more weight behind them... and also other people lay into him... so it was nice to see him react with wise words.

I didn't once mention intuition in that post, nor did I mention about yours or anyone elses more important or potent views..

I was simply questioning why people might dismiss something said by one person and then embrace the same thing said by another, and whether or not people do subcionsciously worship Icke.

It was fair kop I thought..

[thirdwave]

I didn't once mention intuition in that post, nor did I mention about yours or anyone elses more important or potent views..

No but you did in your post 18 but did not think it was nessesry to quote it as you made your self clear in that it was your view...

"What's even more of a shame, is that people need reassurances from others instead of using their own intuition and intelligence.."


I was simply questioning why people might dismiss something said by one person and then embrace the same thing said by another, and whether or not people do subcionsciously worship Icke.

Yes I know and I responded with a reply and how because I respect some comments from someone it does not mean I only respect the comments because they said it... infact that's a silly insinuation IMO.

It was fair kop I thought..
I also thought it was fair cop posting the quote that I found very well put.

I think its crazy that some people call people icke worshippers because they support him and take inspiration from some of his work....

when Jon Lennon wrote "imagine"... should we have stood up and told people to stop going on about the song...? ... "of course we should be peace loving... but only when he rights a song about it people take note...." where do you draw the line with that??

[strider]

No but you did in your post 18 but did not think it was nessesry to quote it as you made your self clear in that it was your view...

"What's even more of a shame, is that people need reassurances from others instead of using their own intuition and intelligence.."



Yes I know and I responded with a reply and how because I respect some comments from someone it does not mean I only respect the comments because they said it... infact that's a silly insinuation IMO.


I also thought it was fair cop posting the quote that I found very well put.

I think its crazy that some people call people icke worshippers because they support him and take inspiration from some of his work....

when Jon Lennon wrote "imagine"... should we have stood up and told people to stop going on about the song...? ... "of course we should be peace loving... but only when he rights a song about it people take note...." where do you draw the line with that??

What the fucking hell are you on about..

I support Icke and I think his work is amazing.

Why do you have to quote from 5 or 6 posts back and mix the messages up when I was relating to something else?

I have nothing but respect and admiration for Icke, and before any more Icke police get on my tail, I am not trying to slag him off..

I was merely trying to get a serious answer about whether or not some people subconsciously worship Icke or see him as a guru. I wasn't saying that people are direct worshippers of Icke, not once, not fucking once.

You've just twisted it around to try and make yourself look all valiant and defend someone who's slagging Icke off, when that's clearly not the case.

But what's the point in trying to have an open discussion on here, it simply doesn't work.

Most people just want to be the next big conspiracy person, or the next Icke, the most spiritually evolved. You hardly see a decent discussion now a days, it's just people quoting each other and trying to win a subtle put down contest and be the most 'respected'.

The snobbery is unbearable at times..

[auron]

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/28824/2002347419380496648_rs.jpg

[lottie]

I was merely trying to get a serious answer about whether or not some people subconsciously worship Icke or see him as a guru. I wasn't saying that people are direct worshippers of Icke, not once, not fucking once.


..

Imo no-one 'worships' Icke or see's him as a guru, because those who have truly read his stuff and understand the perspective he's coming from would not see him as an object of worship, i am very grateful to him for the extraordinary information he's brought to the table but i dont worship him, ive never worshipped anyone, i admire him yes, as for my subconscious...i couldnt tell you, i dont know it well enough, from what i know of people on this forum i get the same impression....so far i dont think ive met anyone who 'worships David'!!

:)

[damagedbrainn]

Unity is fascism.

[strider]

Unity is fascism.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/strider6666/imgphp-4.jpg

[Anders Lindman]

I will now smugly and arrogantly criticize David Icke. In his newsletter preview he writes: "I have known people who put the greater good before their self-interest and I have known those who do the opposite. The difference is that the former is a rarity and the latter a commonplace."

So what's the problem with that statement? The problem is that you should not put the greater good before your own self-interest, for your own self-interest is a part of the greater good, not separate from it.

:p :D

[Anders Lindman]

Unity is fascism.

Not necessarily. A social network where the freedom and integrity of the individual is preserved is a kind of unity that is not like fascism.

[i_am]

I will now smugly and arrogantly criticize David Icke. In his newsletter preview he writes: "I have known people who put the greater good before their self-interest and I have known those who do the opposite. The difference is that the former is a rarity and the latter a commonplace."

So what's the problem with that statement? The problem is that you should not put the greater good before your own self-interest, for your own self-interest is a part of the greater good, not separate from it.

:p :D

I personally see no problem with that statement.

Self interest is not the same as unconditional love of self.

Many do things thinking ONLY of self and in a way that is detrimental to others.

Yes we do have to be a bit selfish at times and put ourselves first. After all if we don't and we fall in a heap, we are then no good to anyone. That is then for the greater good.

If we just do things to appease our own ego, not caring about how it affects others, then it is merely self interest at the expense of the greater good.

[Anders Lindman]

I personally see no problem with that statement.

Self interest is not the same as unconditional love of self.

Many do things thinking ONLY of self and in a way that is detrimental to others.

Yes we do have to be a bit selfish at times and put ourselves first. After all if we don't and we fall in a heap, we are then no good to anyone. That is then for the greater good.

If we just do things to appease our own ego, not caring about how it affects others, then it is merely self interest at the expense of the greater good.

My main thesis is based on the argument for both self-interest and serving the common good, rather than only serving either one of them.

When we put the common good before self-interest, then that implies self-sacrifice. People think of self-sacrifice as a politically correct stance. I don't agree. Self-sacrifice is the foremost tool used by the elite to enslave us. A mantra hammered into people's minds by mass propaganda bludgeons on a daily basis.

It is a grave error to neglect self-interest since that can never be anything more than self-delusion. Something that can never be justified as a sound psychological ground.

To put it more simply: If a person choses to put the common good before his or her self-interest, then that choice is still self-interest in a subtle and often surreptitious way, causing an inner conflict within the psyche that now has become split into two separate wills.

One solution to this sneaky problem is to look at it from an integral perspective. The separation between the self and the collective must be maintained lest the person loses his or her sense of individuality. To only focus on self-interest causes an imbalance. To reject self-interest in favor of the common good without including oneself in that common good causes a split in the mind. Self-interest and the common good has to be integrated within the individual as a unified will.

[thirdwave]

What the fucking hell are you on about..

I support Icke and I think his work is amazing.

Why do you have to quote from 5 or 6 posts back and mix the messages up when I was relating to something else?

I have nothing but respect and admiration for Icke, and before any more Icke police get on my tail, I am not trying to slag him off..



I did not have to quote it... I did not think it would be such an issue, in future convo's with you I will make sure I only talk about things related to your most recent post, just for you! ;)

also please state where I have accused you of not respecting Icke?... for a start it has nothing to do with me who you respect or don't respect... I could not care a less.... I am talking about when you accused people of not using their intuition and by blindly following him and only taking account of something if it comes from David's mouth... My comments are in strong disagreement with that. I have a right to disagree with your views as you have a right to think I am a blind icke follower that does not use my intuition if you so wish.... as that is what you are implying, and what I disagree with.

I was merely trying to get a serious answer about whether or not some people subconsciously worship Icke or see him as a guru. I wasn't saying that people are direct worshippers of Icke, not once, not fucking once.
mmm what a strange comment... , not only have I given you a straight answer in that I think it was a totally not the case, but now you are asking whether I worship him with out me knowing it and that maybe I see him as my guru, ... but not directly??... I'm a bit lost now..

you have Implied I blindly follow a man and not use my own intuition and judgement ...that I only believe something if he says it. I am providing my view on this... and that is that I think you are talking utter rubbish... and now you have a problem with me having a conflicting view to yours.... If you think you are right then good for you but you must allow others to have their view without getting in a strop about it.

here are some wise words that I thought rang true... here, read them.

"There is so much hostility and bile passing around the conspiracy research arena when we should be supporting each other despite differences in emphasis and belief. The unity of purpose does not need every detail agreed - just a commitment to freedom for all."

now you may have some supper human intuition where you already new this and dont need to compliment others for airing words that ring true, fare enough... I already new it as well but I enjoyed reading it.. and I think if you do already know it then I would advise you put it into practise!.

You've just twisted it around to try and make yourself look all valiant and defend someone who's slagging Icke off, when that's clearly not the case.

No I have defended my self when some has accused me of not thinking for my self for taking interest in other peoples views.... and now when I have defended my self, YOU are twisting things to make out I am being un reasonable... and I am now exposing this fact and you are getting angry at that.

But what's the point in trying to have an open discussion on here, it simply doesn't work.
because you get your self all worked up.

Most people just want to be the next big conspiracy person, or the next Icke, the most spiritually evolved. You hardly see a decent discussion now a days, it's just people quoting each other and trying to win a subtle put down contest and be the most 'respected'.

The snobbery is unbearable at times..

In your world maybe.... you have asked your question and I have given you my answer, if you dont like my answer then move on to another thread.... this thread is about how much I agree with Mr Icke when he said this

"There is so much hostility and bile passing around the conspiracy research arena when we should be supporting each other despite differences in emphasis and belief. The unity of purpose does not need every detail agreed - just a commitment to freedom for all."

I think that one sentence makes more sense than anything you have posted on this thread, That's My Opinion and I have come to that opinion by thinking for my self... sorry if you think I have twisted things, but I think its more a case of exposing your ego and that you have felt the need to come into this thread accusing anyone who can take their hat off to the thoughts of others as blind and not very in tune.... where you must claim to be some guru your self who does not need to take his hat off to anyone... well good luck to you are your hat.

:rolleyes:

[Anders Lindman]

David Icke writes: "But they are caught in the Little Game and that is always ego-driven, always me, me, me. It always seeks out the mirror, never the window."

Now I maybe see what he means. The ego is a self-contraction which creates a mirror in front of us. We see only the mirror!!! David writes about the greater good, not the common good as I mistakingly interpreted it. :o The greater good, if I have understood him correctly, is not within the mirror. The common good is within the mirror, and that is still the ego game.

I take my criticism back! :D

[thirdwave]

David Icke writes: "But they are caught in the Little Game and that is always ego-driven, always me, me, me. It always seeks out the mirror, never the window."

Now I maybe see what he means. The ego is a self-contraction which creates a mirror in front of us. We see only the mirror!!! David writes about the greater good, not the common good as I mistakingly interpreted it. :o The greater good, if I have understood him correctly, is not within the mirror. The common good is within the mirror, and that is still the ego game.

I take my criticism back! :D

I think there is a fine line with having an ego and having an ego problem...
one must love him self and think he is great..whats wrong with that??

one must care for him self and want what's best for him self ..what's wrong with that???

its when you do not feel the same about others around you, that's where the problem comes into it.... "ME and them" ... I know... they don't... I can they cant.....

WE ALL CAN ..WE ARE ALL FANTASTIC

Now if someone chooses to think they are not... and get all grumpy at others who think they are then that's tough cheese for them.. its their choice.

[Anders Lindman]

My rantings about the integral approach is also still within the mirror. It is still the ego game. Oh yeah! :cool:

[Anders Lindman]

It is still the ego game.

Consciousness is not a thing. It's not something you just dump something on. It's not a big truck.

DJ Ted Stevens Techno Remix: "A Series of Tubes" - YouTube

:mad:

[thirdwave]

What an egotistical prick..



Since when has sticking up for ones self and exposing the downfall of others actions been egotistical?

If I was to allow you to bully my post away with your own egotistical ramblings would I then be a better person?... well maybe in your world mate but not mine.

mmm well just encase I don't also get labelled a little Hitler or somthing which is the kind of thing you would be happy to resort to in your desperet attempt to assasinate my charichter for not sgaring your views.
I think I will flag your last post so another mod can give you a warning for being so rude... and calling me a prick.

just because I have exposed you for being a egotistical person who accuses people of things they are not, it does not mean you need to resort to childish pictures and personal attacks.

you have also Hijacked my thread and turned it into something negative when it started out positive! ..well done, good contribution!

Bye.

[strider]

Since when has sticking up for ones self and exposing the downfall of others actions been egotistical?

If I was to allow you to bully my post away with your own egotistical ramblings would I then be a better person?... well maybe in your world mate but not mine.

mmm well just encase I don't also get labelled a little Hitler or somthing which is the kind of thing you would be happy to resort to in your desperet attempt to assasinate my charichter for not sgaring your views.
I think I will flag your last post so another mod can give you a warning for being so rude... and calling me a prick.

just because I have exposed you for being a egotistical person who accuses people of things they are not, it does not mean you need to resort to childish pictures and personal attacks.

you have also Hijacked my thread and turned it into something negative when it started out positive! ..well done, good contribution!

Bye.

You are the one who started attacking me, just because I questioned it from a different angle. My question was open and was asked in the right heart..

You need to get off your high horse and get down from your little power trip that you think a shiny moderators badge on an icke website gives you..

Go and report me to the other mods for calling you a prick and posting an amusing picture and show yourself for the immature baby that you are..

Like I said in another post, there is no point in trying to have an open conversation on here, because egotistical, own post defending holier than thou people can simply not take it that someone might see things differently and voice a different opinion, and just jump on them, quote their posts line by line and pathetically take them apart..

Have you not noticed something? You have displayed the complete opposite attitude to the original opening line on the thread.. What a fucking hypocrite of the very highest order..

Good luck in growing up..:D

[thirdwave]

Thanks for some more wonderfully insightful info there, let me know when your next book comes out! you may be good and cooking up bullshit pie... but you have forgotten that the convo is on record here for us all to see!


Now, where were we?, for those of you who may have just read the thread...this is how it started...
..."Thread 1"




From His last news letter, wise words IMO.

"There is so much hostility and bile passing around the conspiracy research arena when we should be supporting each other despite differences in emphasis and belief. The unity of purpose does not need every detail agreed - just a commitment to freedom for all."


And how true does that quote sound now!? :rolleyes:

[smoking oceanus]

Its ironic how this thread ended up being into what it first intended to speak against.

[strider]

Thanks for some more wonderfully insightful info there, let me know when your next book comes out! you may be good and cooking up bullshit pie... but you have forgotten that the convo is on record here for us all to see!


Now, where were we?, for those of you who may have just read the thread...this is how it started...
..."Thread 1"






And how true does that quote sound now!? :rolleyes:

You were just as guilty as me..

I'm not perfect, I was merely questioning something.

I know I had a valid point and I know you had a valid point. I thought it was a really nice post, I'm just passionate about people coming to their own conclusions and not getting too carried away with what someone else says, no matter how much of a genius the man or woman is.

Lets just draw a close to it. We got our wires crossed and were both passionate about getting our point across.

I could go on arguing my side of the story and try and point out what I was actually trying to say, without being a genius wordsmith, or we can both just let go, move on and shake hands..:D

You seriously took my post the wrong way in which it was intended, that's why I was frustrated. We both ultimately want the same things, and maybe we should both use the very first few lines of this thread as a mantra :rolleyes:

[thirdwave]

Its ironic how this thread ended up being into what it first intended to speak against.

yep, and i hold my hands up a bit for not just looking up and seeing it go above my head... :o

[thirdwave]

You were just as guilty as me..

I'm not perfect, I was merely questioning something.

I know I had a valid point and I know you had a valid point. I thought it was a really nice post, I'm just passionate about people coming to their own conclusions and not getting too carried away with what someone else says, no matter how much of a genius the man or woman is.

Lets just draw a close to it. We got our wires crossed and were both passionate about getting our point across.

I could go on arguing my side of the story and try and point out what I was actually trying to say, without being a genius wordsmith, or we can both just let go, move on and shake hands..:D

You seriously took my post the wrong way in which it was intended, that's why I was frustrated. We both ultimately want the same things, and maybe we should both use the very first few lines of this thread as a mantra :rolleyes:

i think we should just let the water flow bellow the bridge and head north ;)

[paganus]

the reason it takes DI to say it before people take much notice,is because he is the common denominater to us all.the one person we all agree on.else we wouldnt be on his forum.