Fuck democracy!

[filip]

Hi everyone,

I got angry one day and registered the domain name fuckdemocracy.org. I then proceeded to write an essay to put on that site on the subject of why I think that democracy is not the utopia it is made out to be.

Before I post the text on that site I would like to (ironically perhaps) hear what you think of it. Will it open peoples eyes or will it make them close their eyes even harder? Is it shit? Will this text make the world a better place?

I would also like to know what your thoughts are on the subject of democracy as a questionable utopia in general.

Here's the text:


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There are people who walk with confidence to the podium and then conquer it while showing off a victorious smile. They open their mouths and speak with ease, because they know that the larger portion of the audience agrees. Together they transform their moral values into laws that suit themselves and imprison the few who disagree. Then the majority rejoices in the fruits of the highest of all possible utopias: Democracy!


Intro

Dictatorship in disguise

Being against democracy is not necessarily the same as wanting dictatorship. It is entirely possible to be against the idea of democracy, whilst at the same time being against the idea of dictatorship, although society rarely gives us any option – it’s always either one or the other.
In order to survive, the establishment must maintain the lie that democracy is the only viable alternative to dictatorship. That the two are polarities, outside of which nothing can exist. Dictatorship is presented as the dystopia, and democracy, the utopia. But polarities are often illusions…
There are, in fact, similarities between democracies and dictatorships. The most apparent one being that for a minority it doesn't matter if the ruler is a dictator or a majority; it is simply being ruled over in both cases. And that’s the point - both systems are designed to control people. The only difference is that people living in a democracy generally tend to believe that they are free. But democracy is nothing but dictatorship in disguise.
The illusion of democracy has many layers that I will peel off, one at a time, until the whole concept has been dissected, brought out into the light, and exposed for the all-time-greatest confidence trick that it truly is. I will begin with the most apparent element of the grand deception.


The First Layer

Democracy is primitive

In the ancient world of warring savage tribes, a bigger tribe would, because of its numerical superiority, probably stand victorious after a bloody conflict with a smaller tribe. The members of the smaller tribe who weren’t slain in the battle would be enslaved.
This bloody principle has, in modern times, been systematized and labeled “democracy.” Bigger groups are given power over smaller groups by law.
Have we come no further? Will the majority rule just because a larger group of people can destroy a smaller group in the event of a fight. Do we really want to base our system on that primitive principle? Is democracy really democratic when looked upon from this perspective?

People only like democracy when it does their bidding

Democracy, or "majority rule," survives, as the phrase suggests, because it appeals to the majority. Most people are content in this system because they agree with it. So discontentment will only arise within minorities, but because they are minorities they can’t change it... Thus the status quo is secured for as long as the system remains.
However, when some extremist party enters the governing institution of any democratic country, even the people that usually shiver with excitement at the mere thought of democracy start proclaiming restrictions to the free vote. Because the truth is that they only supported democracy as long as it successfully brought their own values to the status of laws. Can these people really be taken seriously?


The Second Layer

Diluted Sovereignty

Every individual should reasonably have the undivided power over his own life. But in a democratic system this birthright has been taken away and diluted with the collective power of everyone else in the area, thus rendering it useless. For example, in a democratic country with ten million inhabitants every individual possess only one ten-millionth of their sovereignty. That's only 0,0000001%, which means that 99,9999999% of a persons sovereignty is gone. Now that's a majority! True, they also possess one ten-millionth of everyone else’s too, but that's still a terribly bad trade from the original situation! What good does it do to be able to slightly affect others if you don't have the power over yourself? Why do people accept this?


The Third Layer


The illusion of choice

In elections we the people are given only a few alternatives from which to choose from. Vote for the "left"; which strives for more taxes, or vote for the "right"; which desires stricter laws. Rest assured that any vote will bring us deeper into hell. It seems like a win-win situation for the rulers of the world. This is no coincidence.
Politics is just a show, a lie which whole populations swallow hook, line and sinker. People do not see any further than this seemingly colorful curtain of imagined hope, but behind it hide the real rulers of the world. To them, politics is a great way to channel peoples' frustrations concerning the world into ways that suit their purposes. Frustrated individuals become politicians or activists and have to accept the whole program of their chosen party as their own ideas. The rest of the population then humbly submits to these puppets.


The Core

The true purpose of democracy

Dictatorship wasn’t enough. Its system of control by overt force generally worked, but it also created opposition. Naturally, since people were aware of the fact that they were being controlled, they would sometimes fight for their god-given right to Freedom.
So the elite agreed that the ideal system would be one of control by consent. –A population convinced that its society is the highest utopia possible would not rebel.
All they would have to do would be to fool the people into believing that a world of rules and limitations is what’s best for them. This would later prove to be easily accomplished; by creating reasons for laws and limitations, people would cry out for these readily available solutions.
But the elite realized that it would be impossible to fool everyone. So they made up a system with which there was no need to: In this system, they would only need to manipulate a little more than half to automatically gain control of the whole. Democracy was born!
This system was then presented as the solution; the long awaited final end to dictatorship. Thus, it conquered the world.


Outro

Why should your opinion matter to me?

Plato once proclaimed that although he didn't agree with the opinions of a fellow citizen, he would sacrifice his own life for this person’s right to have those opinions. So far so good, but what if a person's opinion is that you should conform to some system of conduct, and this opinion then wins public acceptance? In a democracy your forced submission would be justified by the advocates’ numerical superiority alone.
This is unacceptable! If the opinion of a fellow citizen is that you should be enslaved by his values, the only justifiable reaction would be for you to sacrifice him in an act of self defense and in the name of Freedom!
Why should anyone have any say in how you live your life if your lifestyle doesn't interfere with his; or does but only in moral terms? It shouldn't matter to you what anyone else thinks. Peoples’ opinions should be of no importance to you what so ever because your Rights and your Freedom should be inviolable! Ideally they should be, but they are not…
Let’s create a list of Human Rights where the individual’s Sovereignty and Freedom tower high above everything else. And not even if the world is falling apart and the only way to keep it intact seems to be to submit to the will of some savior shall these fundamental rights be given up.
Those who wish to control this world frequently attempt to scare us into abandoning our sovereignty. Don’t be fooled. Let the world fall apart, and when it does, keep defending your rights until you are kicking around dust in an otherwise empty space and you have drawn your last breath!
As the old Roman proverb so eloquently states, "It is better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand days as a lamb."

Fuck democracy!

[auron]

Hahah!! The title had me in stitches when i saw it on the main page! :D

[filip]

Hahah!! The title had me in stitches when i saw it on the main page! :D

Hehehe, I know. It's a challenging concept with a provoking title.

[auron]

Yeah! Before you fuck democracy, make sure you are protected in some way.

You may end up with a politically transmitted infection. :D

[chris]

Fuck yeah!!! Awesome:D

Nice angles on it, I hadn't of thought about the tribal aspect of it before but it makes a lot of sense. I'd rather have a battle than a vote because at least with a battle the strongest survive, whereas in a vote; it is usually the most shrewd (much more dangerous)...

[serpentoffire]

We live in a illusory democracy. They uses phases of anarchy followed by phases of restoration. The target is to tighten more strait your collar. We could be transformed from semi-gods (technological and very intelligent people) to semi-humans (a little more of apes a little less of men, like Bush for example :D). But God is hacking the system. They will fail (or fall) soon.
Stay tuned.

[chris]

We live in a illusory democracy. They uses phases of anarchy followed by phases of restoration. The target is to tighten more strait your collar. We could be transformed from semi-gods (technological and very intelligent people) to semi-humans (a little more of apes a little less of men, like Bush for example :D). But God is hacking the system. They will fail (or fall) soon.
Stay tuned.

Yes, I am sure they are planning on making us like apes...I knew something was up when they took gullible out the dictionary. Then I watched 1984 and boom, it became clear, if we don't know freedom then how are we going to live it?

I love how when pressing for freedom they attack the not so bad socialist institutions while it's alternative is a fraudulent version of the free market. I.E. socialist cash insentives, rather than going bust if you suck, they also give targets instead of a set of goals one would make if under a free market to keep afloat...This just leads to skewing of the statistics at the expense of the tax payer. A fraudulent system, just open the markets, thankyou.

[filip]

Fuck yeah!!! Awesome:D

Nice angles on it, I hadn't of thought about the tribal aspect of it before but it makes a lot of sense. I'd rather have a battle than a vote because at least with a battle the strongest survive, whereas in a vote; it is usually the most shrewd (much more dangerous)...

Why, thank you. I appreciate your enthusiasm! Keep it up!

[chris]

If you read a book before the 1700's it will make todays book look like childrens books.

[serpentoffire]

I love how when pressing for freedom they attack the not so bad socialist institutions while it's alternative is a fraudulent version of the free market. I.E. socialist cash insentives, rather than going bust if you suck, they also give targets instead of a set of goals one would make if under a free market to keep afloat...This just leads to skewing of the statistics at the expense of the tax payer. A fraudulent system, just open the markets, thankyou.

In Italy left and right parties don't more exist. Several italians are now aware of this and I heard that we have to rebel. But this is exactly what they want. A civil war and than a New Italian Order (sorry David): a new fascist state behind a new form of illusory democracy.

We have to break before the illusion and all the pyramid will fall. We have to bring the public opinion out of the matrix showing them the path, imaging us like new Moses. This is our task, this is our destiny.

The final war is started.

[filip]

We have to bring the public opinion out of the matrix showing them the path, imaging us like new Moses. This is our task, this is our destiny.

The final war is started.

Exactly! And this new path should definitely be one of rights instead of laws and possibilities instead of limitations.

[filip]

Yeah! Before you fuck democracy, make sure you are protected in some way.

You may end up with a politically transmitted infection. :D

Yes, maybe I should wear the condom of anonymity.

But then again, I've never really respected people who hide their identity while expressing their ideas... I'll think about it. I guess I'm at least semi-anonymous right now.

[chris]

Dude fuck 'em. I'm sure they've got databases with all the shit your into anyway, think about the black budget; it's not all about first striking china, the new leaps in technology have been in the security field, they are starting to come out with their weapons to destroy society. I'm sure that most of their technology is on databasing and it's already up and running. So fuck 'em.

If you do, I'll write an anti democracy site and we both can become heratics:D

[filip]

Dude fuck 'em. I'm sure they've got databases with all the shit your into anyway, think about the black budget; it's not all about first striking china, the new leaps in technology have been in the security field, they are starting to come out with their weapons to destroy society. I'm sure that most of their technology is on databasing and it's already up and running. So fuck 'em.

If you do, I'll write an anti democracy site and we both can become heratics:D

You're right Chris! They most certainly know everything about us anyway. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Let's not fear the NSA...

[chandrakavi]

Democracy is a great idea but it doesn't exist yet. We are living in a
world of Barbarism.:):D

[filip]

Democracy is a great idea but it doesn't exist yet. We are living in a
world of Barbarism.:):D

That's where my opinion differs from yours. I think that democracy, even at its purest state, is wrong.

[chris]

Here be my draft for my website that i'll put up...It's in it's very early stages, I will add a lot more and break it down into more subtitles, videos etc. But please critique...:cool:




Disclaimer – By reading this site you may be engaging in thought-crimes against the state. The laws may be introduced retroactively and thus I take no responsibility for those persecuted for thought crimes attributed to this site. See you in Gitmo.

Death to Democracy!

This site is devoted to the demise of democracy and the democratic process which can be blamed for enslaving millions of people in their countries and in their minds.

Democracy Vs Freedom
Listen to any speech given to by any politician from a democratic country and you will hear the words freedom and democracy used interchangeably as if they were the same thing. This is the biggest joke perpetrated among the people of the West for almost a century.

The first things that are needed to be known to slay the great democratic beast is that the people in power are not the people you see on TV kissing babies, answering softball questions and taking flak from the public. These hacks are commonly known as presidents prime ministers, governors, senators, lords, ladies, councillors and congressmen.

Their job is to be intermediaries for the corporatists that wield the power and influence to the surfs who are enslaved by them. At all cost the shills posing as our leaders will try and play the sandman by misleading, misdirecting and misconstruing all arguments against the policies dictated to them.

At higher levels these puppets have been carefully crafted and compromised throughout their political careers. These people are obedient dogs, think of the last person at your school you would trust to run your country, then think of a school of those people. The people that pretend to be in power are a handful of these pupils, they will be so wrapped up in it that they probably don’t even know it themselves.

It is highly important that a plush looking media takes the people that the system puts out seriously because at face value, these odious people are not believable. Thanks to the corporate media, the system is secured complete with false opposition.

successor in grooming stage to make a fake burst onto the scene with the familiar underdog story.

Whereas the government acts as our enforcers to tell us what to do and not to do, the media acts as our brains. They will tell us what to think, how to act when to act (always in their interest) when not to act etc.

In politics the media will overplay the differences between the leader and false opposition who will debate very enthusiastically but a lot like the rivalry between pro-wrestlers in the WWE, it is a theatrical performance, these wrestlers might get insulted, injured and beat up but the fact is that storylines are fixed and the fights are 99% predetermined.

Edward L Bernays who literally wrote the book on propaganda (titled propaganda) said:
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society."

Mentalist Darren Brown hypnotised a man in a photo booth, flew him to another photo booth in Morocco which is where he woke up completely oblivious. If one person can be so easily controlled then influencing millions to either caste a vote one way or not cast a vote at all, is an easy task.

But to pretend that voting constitutes a democracy is an elitist joke.

As Karl Marx said,
“The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.”

Obviously Marx is no fountain of freedom but he is correct with this one. The left are offering us more taxes while the right offer us less freedom, yet they both give us more taxes and less freedom. This is the scam but because we think that one offers us less pain than the other, we go for it. It is a bit like being offered a kick in the balls or a punch in the face.

This obviously cannot last forever as the people will eventually rise up so as soon as the public belief factor reaches breaking point, the corporatists will replace their puppet with a shelling of abuse, replace it with another slimy, charismatic sell-out and the democratic machine will continue to roll.

Though the job of micromanagement of the democratic process by the media is important, the prime objective is to maintain the illusion of freedom. They present us with a choice of the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right and if you don’t like it then there are a million reality shows, soaps and sports to get lost in. Distracting and apathising the people is exactly what Caligula of Rome did to it’s people when he created the Coliseum to divert the people’s attention away from the suffering, disease and starvation and onto something else.

If you ask most people on the street, most will tell you that politicians are corrupt but the spin by the politicians and media has lulled them into a sense of defeat. This is the biggest lie they have portrayed against the people. The population in the developed world is about 1.2 billion people and there are only a few thousand elites (and a couple hundred puppet masters). What they fear most is a peaceful dissemination of the truth of freedom and the lies that have been sold to us through Democracy and its sister, communism. The people will realise that the Oligarchy is not a huge monolithic beast but a paper tiger, all these elites are doing are defending the first domino and all we need to do is knock it down and their entire New World Order will fall.

Please join the fight for freedom!

[jaanus]

There was a picture of Bush in the humor section saying "be nice or we will bring democracy to your country". After seeing what they did to the Iraq...I mean...Iraq is a democratic country now isn't it?

[filip]

Here be my draft for my website that i'll put up...

...Please join the fight for freedom!

Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap!

I applaud thee!

[chris]

Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap!

I applaud thee!

*Takes a bow...

I've proof read it a little and I've seen that I've made quite a few mistakes and even missed out a whole section :) I've mended it a little but obviously you don't want to keep re-reading it so I'll put all the full version when it's complete.

I've never had a website or anything so I might need some help in that area...

[filip]

*Takes a bow...

I've proof read it a little and I've seen that I've made quite a few mistakes and even missed out a whole section :) I've mended it a little but obviously you don't want to keep re-reading it so I'll put all the full version when it's complete.

I've never had a website or anything so I might need some help in that area...

Ok, I'm looking forward to the final draft. Nice to have a partner in thought crime!

I'm not really good at posting websites either. I'll get one of my nerdy friends to help me with that.

[auron]

I've never had a website or anything so I might need some help in that area...
You guys should talk to whitenight636

He knows about making sites, and will help you out :)

[chris]

You guys should talk to whitenight636

He knows about making sites, and will help you out :)

I was hoping of getting the domain name Death2Democracy.com, hope that's okay with you filip...

Know anyone who can photoshop? I was thinking of a banner at the top saying "Death" then a guy sticking up his fingers (indicating the number 2) and then "Democracy"

Either that or a person giving the peace sign (or more accurately victory sign) but I prefer the two finger salute...

[chandrakavi]

A true Democracy does not exist today. It transfer wisdom to the people,
as it was done by the Greek, Atlantis. But what we have today is an absolute fake. If conquering countries in the name of democracy(Iraq) is BS,
it has all to do with power and money, but wisdom is only for a few and ignorance for the many. David Icke talks about this.:(:eek:

[chandrakavi]

Yeah! Before you fuck democracy, make sure you are protected in some way.

You may end up with a politically transmitted infection. :D

Right Auron!

[filip]

I was hoping of getting the domain name Death2Democracy.com, hope that's okay with you filip...


Yeah, that's fine with me.

[gullick]

I agree with what you say, but don't see a better alternative.

Other than an anarchial system, which would be the best if we hadn't already been conditioned to hate one another.

[filip]

I agree with what you say, but don't see a better alternative.

Other than an anarchial system, which would be the best if we hadn't already been conditioned to hate one another.

Well, I believe it is possible to have a world of sovereign human beings. I hear what you're saying though. The alternative would have to be very carefully designed... Maybe at this stage we only need to point out the lies about democracy, then we'll worry about the solution when that day comes... Or maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks for your input!

[chris]

I agree with what you say, but don't see a better alternative.

Other than an anarchial system, which would be the best if we hadn't already been conditioned to hate one another.

I think our hate mostly stems from our lack of freedom and misdirected at one another. If we were to slowly take away the methods of enslavement, then we will need no moralising or ethical input, we would automatically come together.

If you goto a place where there is real tyranny like London, you will see people are almost like zombies, if you fell over, they will step over you. Then if you went to a nice town with people who are well off and free you will notice a complete different feel to the place.

[filip]

I think our hate mostly stems from our lack of freedom and misdirected at one another. If we were to slowly take away the methods of enslavement, then we will need no moralising or ethical input, we would automatically come together.

If you goto a place where there is real tyranny like London, you will see people are almost like zombies, if you fell over, they will step over you. Then if you went to a nice town with people who are well off and free you will notice a complete different feel to the place.

Well spoken!

An example: If people weren't forced to give away most of what they earned in taxes, I think people would be happy to give to the less fortunate of their own will.

[filip]

I am pleased to see that one of the solutions to how to undermine the New World Order presented in the brilliant documentary "The Empire of the City" is to "Stop Voting".

See the whole 5 hour documentary in two parts here:

Part 1:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549&q=empire+of+the+city&total=1703&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Part 2:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4430543376785758889

[serpentoffire]

Yes, they want our vote to do what they want. Once you have voted one of these shit-politicians and they start to do the inverse of what they have claimed before election, your brain will start to lie to itself hiding the evidence.
I'll not vote more. If you vote for left or right party you give a vote to your enslavers: the freemasonry.
Wakeup your neighbors.

[filip]

Here are some quotes on the subject:


“My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causing no harm
It shouldn't bother you.
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if you’re causin' no harm
Then you're all right with me.
If you don't like my fire
Then don't come around
Cause I'm gonna burn one down.”

-Ben Harper



“Search […] for something that has been around for a long time, is taken for granted, so obvious as to have remained unseen, undiscovered, repressed, or hidden from public view intentionally or otherwise. Every society has such hidden, tacitly forbidden intellectual treasures that await discovery and illumination. Find out what is not discussed, not studied, not critically examined. Ignore what lies on the surface, what everyone else perceives, argues over, and finds threatening. Societies conceal their exposed nerve endings, which, when examined, become fearsome and painful. But, as mentioned earlier, ‘No pain, no gain!’”

-Wilson Bryan Key, The age of manipulation (p. 58)


“Societies are not structured to be 'better for people' or any other life form. That's not the idea.”

-David Icke (Infinite Love is the Only Truth... p. 145)


"'Authority' ought to be there only to serve its particular community by removing restrictions on freedom of expression and action under my golden rule of 'Do what you like so long as you don't impose it on others'. Authority's role should be in protecting the unwilling from the will of another. After that, they should push off and leave us alone."

-David Icke, The David Icke Newsletter, November 11th 2006


“We, the people as a whole, are the system that is controlling us. If we don’t co-operate with it there is no system. And when people say to me that they are a law-abiding citizen, well, that’s very nice, but hold on a second - what? - you’re an abider of EVERY law? I mean if we are going to be law abiding citizens, we might as well give up! Because what it means is that laws are gonna be passed by corrupt politicians and merely become law because there is enough hands in the air or some dicta is signed by the president and then we have to abide by these laws even though they are taking our freedoms away by the day? No, no! We need to stop co-operating with the laws that are there not to make society a better and a nicer place to live, they are there to control, to impose, to dictate, to take freedoms away. We have to stand up and say: Enough – we’re not having it.”

-David Icke, Coast To Coast Radio, March 28th 2006


“If you want to be a great leader,
you must learn to follow the Tao.
Stop trying to control.
Let go of fixed plans and concepts,
and the world will govern itself.

The more prohibitions you have,
the less virtuous people will be.
The more weapons you have,
the less secure people will be.
The more subsidies you have,
the less self-reliant people will be.

Therefore the master says:
I let go of the law,
and people become honest.
I let go of economics,
and people become prosperous.
I let go of religion,
and people become serene.
I let go of all desire for the common good,
and the good becomes common as grass.”

-Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching (Ch. 57)


“When taxes are too high,
people go hungry.
When the government is too intrusive,
people loose their spirit.
Act for the peoples benifit.
Trust them; leave them alone.”

-Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching (Ch. 75)


“Feeling sorry and guilty for others is not effective. When the government gives handouts to people so that they make more money from not working than they can from holding a job, they are destroyed. They are not helped. When people do not work, there is no action. There has to be action in order to have transformation. Without action people become bored and boredom leads to crime. We are here to produce.”

-Don Miguel Ruiz & Mary Carroll Nelson (Beyond Fear, p. 161)


“There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetrated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.”

-Montesquieu


”When men are pure, laws are useless; when men are corrupt, laws are broken.”

–Benjamin Disraeli


”A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer.”

–Robert Frost


“When man no longer accepted his own knowingness to be the essence of truth, he gave away his sovereignty and power and became a part of a collective mass, which permitted religions and governments through the ages to rule people as if they were one entity. But they are not.”

-Ramtha, The White Book (p. 192)


"Man is beginning to come out of limitation because there are many upon your plane who are questioning their lives and why they are slaves to the hypocrisy of government, of dogma, of society, and where in turn they lead. They are beginning to love themselves and others enough to see beyond the film of limited consciousness and to rise above it."

-Ramtha, The White Book (p. 202).

[octopusrex]

Anything short of a "world" democracy is a sham.

Frankly, I my vote goes to the Philosopher Kings of old and an archaic-revival with certain novelty ... tiddings.

[filip]

Thank you for your input octopusrex.

Here's another quote that's bang-on-target!:

"Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything."

-Frank Dane

[sunyatta60]

DEMOCRACY
``Such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.''
James Madison, Federalist

``The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of God; and, however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed, it is not true to fact. The people are turbulent and changing, they seldom judge or determine right.''
Alexander Hamilton

``Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to decide what's for lunch.''
Marshall Fritz

``Democracy is the road to socialism.''
Karl Marx

``The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy [...]''
Albert Einstein, in Why Socialism?, Monthly Review, New York, May 1949

``the whole of National Socialism is based on Marx''
Adolf Hitler

``Hitler's rise to power was legal in terms of majority rule and neither he nor Stalin could have maintained the leadership of large populations... if they had not had the confidence of the masses.''
Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism


``Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic.''
Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
``When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong. The minority are right.''
Eugene V. Debs (1855-1926), American socialist

``...I would like to be clearly understood...we, the Soviet people, are for socialism.... We want more socialism and, therefore, more democracy.''
Mikhail Gorbachev, Perestroika - New Thinking for Our Country and the World,
1988

``More socialism means more democracy, openness and collectivism in everyday life''
-Mikhail Gorbachev, Perestroika - New Thinking for Our Country and the World,
1988

``The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it.''
Horatio Seymour

``... the majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.''
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to P.S. Dupont De Nemours, 24 April 1816

``Democracy is indispensable to socialism.''
V.I. Lenin

``The goal of socialism is communism.''
V.I. Lenin

``He was one of the few leaders whose high ideals, moral integrity and personal modesty inspired people right around the globe.''
James Wolfensohn, President of the World Bank, lauding Tanzania's now
deceased former President Julius Nyerere. "[...] dictator of a one-party state and principal architect of one of the poorest, most dysfunctional economies in the world [...]

Nyerere was a flawed leader, a tireless advocate of unworkable socialist doctrines."
Investors Business Daily

``[...] when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social
democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people [...] will hate the new world order [...] and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.''
H. G. Wells, in The New World Order (1939)

``Hillary bothers me a lot. I realized the other day that her thoughts sound a lot like Karl Marx. She hangs around a lot of Marxists. All her friends are Marxists.''
Dick Armey

Minorities are almost always in the right.
Anon

``For the saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished freedom is that it was lost because its possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand while there was still time.''
Supreme Court Justice George Sutherland

[filip]

Thank you very much Sunyatta60! Those are some VERY powerful quotations. Well posted! Thank you!

[filip]

“If a certain deception is perceived only by a small, low-status minority, the majority will consider them deviants—insane or bad. No matter how provable their allegations of deceit, deviants will likely be considered in need of therapy, punishment, or exclusion. In situations where the deceit is demonstrable in terms of reality-oriented perceptions, debriefing or therapy may entail reality distortions to refocus deviant perceptions to fit those of the majority. Should majority behavior be insane, attempts will be made to turn deviant minorities from sanity toward insanity. The process is apparent in educational, military, social, economic, and political institutions—and often appears a normal expectation of daily life.
Majority consensus is an overwhelming social force. Consensus is courted by every power structure in the world and is engineered by mass-media ads and public relations techniques. The human need to be accepted—no matter how absurd or destructive such acceptance may be—extends deeply into the one basic imperative: survival and adjustment. There appears an innate willingness to compromise individual perceptions in favor of what appears—or what is constructed to appear—as group consensus. Unfortunately, however, intellectual, social, and economic systems depend for new ideas, growth, and survival upon deviant innovators, not conformists.”

-Wilson Bryan Key, The Age or Manipulation (p. 238)

[sunyatta60]

``Football exemplifies the worst features of American life: it's violence punctuated by committee meetings.''
George Will

``The combination is here to stay. Individualism has gone, never to return.''
John D. Rockefeller I


``I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself.... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.''
Roger Baldwin, founder of the ACLU

``Communism equals murder. Everywhere. Always.''
Jeff Jacoby, columnist at the Boston Globe, 1995-Dec-7

``Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a socialist tinge. Has not
Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the state? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat.''
Karl Marx, from The Communist Manifesto

``The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.''
Plutarch

``I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.''
Thomas Jefferson


``Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.''
Sir Winston Churchill

``The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.''
Thomas Jefferson

``A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.''
George Bernard Shaw, writer, philosopher, and Fabian socialist

``The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism', they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.''
Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential candidate

[serpentoffire]

What is democracy? Only the NWO tool to enslave us, only a false flag.
How? Please visit this thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13291

[sunyatta60]

I stopped voting twenty years ago because it is simply a waste of time.

``[With the decline of society] begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia [war of all against all], which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.''
Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:40

``Socialism is the same as Communism, only better English''
George Bernard Shaw

``When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing more to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other, in order that the people may require a leader.''
Plato, 347, BC

The majority has the might - more's the pity - but it hasn't right. . . The minority is always right.
Henryk Ibsen

The very essence of a free government consists in considering offices as public trusts, bestowed for the good of the country, and not for the benefit of the individual or party.
John Caldwell Calhoun US Statesman 1835

“Those who exchange essential liberty for temporary security shall have neither liberty nor security.”
Benjamin Franklin

“I don’t make jokes. I just watch the Government and report the facts.”
Will Rogers


"I don't call it paranoia, I call it having a heightened sense of reality."
Democracy is the art of running a circus from the monkey cage.
H.L. Mencken

The U.S. talks of bringing democracy to Iraq. American democracy is an embarrassing farce. The U.S. promises freedom to the world while gutting it at home.
Ronald Reagan

[filip]

``Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.''
Sir Winston Churchill

[...]

``A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.''
George Bernard Shaw, writer, philosopher, and Fabian socialist


I agree. Socialism is a horrible invention!

Again, thanks for the quotes!

[serpentoffire]

I agree. Socialism is a horrible invention!

Again, thanks for the quotes!

SOCIALISM (COMMUNISM) and LIBERISM (CAPITALISM) are both inventions of ZIONISTS. So all these ideologies are ideated by international freemasonry to enslave our mind with false visions of the future, deliberately to create contrasts and wars.
Stop to vote!

[filip]

[...] Stop to vote!

Amen!

[adimon]

Say what you will about democracy, liberal or otherwise...but democracy of all political systems is the one that lets you criticise it the most.

[filip]

Say what you will about democracy, liberal or otherwise...but democracy of all political systems is the one that lets you criticise it the most.

Oh I agree. But this doesn't mean that we shouldn't look any further! The fact that democracy is a little better than the other known systems does not mean that we should accept it as the final achievement of humanity. Surely we can do better than this!

[sunyatta60]

Say what you will about democracy, liberal or otherwise...but democracy of all political systems is the one that lets you criticise it the most.

What a great Smoke screen, u are a Zionist agent if not u should sign up pronto.

[filip]

"What is a political party but a conspiracy?"

-Gore Vidal

[filip]

"What luck for rulers that men do not think."
-Adolf Hitler



Would anyone like to post another comment on this thread? Let us know your thoughts on the subject of democracy! Feel free to criticize my essay!

[filip]

Check out David Ickes latest Newsletter, labeled "You are free... To say what we tell you..." David makes many good points about Democracy! Here's one:

"The Robo-Rads go on and on about stopping fascism and defending 'democracy' while 'democracy' (covert fascism with an irrelevant vote) installs the global dictatorship hour by hour."

Thank you David!

[oiram]

Fuck democracy!

The democracy these Elite has crated most likely is more related to the word Holocaust!
Are new world we should start calling Logic-Reality Order!

If we have to Fuck Democracy don't forget to include the source of the problem the entire Corrupt Elite, manipulators & Layers!

I start seeing reality and come to the conclusion that we are the creation of God; but Satan YES he evolved from the Monkeys!

I think God is watching as all! Sorry correction; He is and he is within as! We should not disappoint & let him down this time!
If you would know how happy I am that I am not alone in this world and we finally all talk the same languish!
Let as all have the biggest Christmas we ever had


and Satan can keep eating his big Bananas!

[filip]

Let's keep religion out of this.

[filip]

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/June%202008%202/obamasheep.jpg

Good!

[filip]

"
- There are no politics.
* Right... Well then what the fuck is there? Huh?
- Sign language!
"
- From the movie "I'm Not There"

[free thinker]

Fuck democracy, fuck forced control....fuck all the leeches that suck the blood of the poor.
they ain't no different to me or you...from a king to a tramp, no difference the have eat and shit, they bleed when cut, they go to universities learning shit...this then makes them think they are better, because of letters after their name...woopi-do, you still aint no different, all you did was learn some more shit, that serves no purpose except to those who subscribe to it.

but i tell you something phd and alike ....if the shit hit's the fan, unlike you who sat there learning shit, how you gonna survive without that silver spoon then? my money is on the tramp...not the king...because he's learned the hard way to survive, unlike you Mr phd, who probably dont know how to wipe your own arse! :D

[filip]

they ain't no different to me or you...from a king to a tramp, no difference the have eat and shit, they bleed when cut, they go to universities learning shit...

Shakespeare wrote something similar:

"If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?"

I personally don't think there's anything wrong with learning things. But learning shit is definitely not the way forward...

Thank you for your input.

[filip]

The page is live now.

www.fuckdemocracy.org

[filip]

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November08/deesvote.jpg

[haukipesukone]

I support fucking democracy, in the hateful dismissive way. Not in the way you fuck pretty girls.

[filip]

I support fucking democracy, in the hateful dismissive way. Not in the way you fuck pretty girls.

I agree. This has nothing to do with sex.

[devanshoom]

In Italy left and right parties don't more exist. Several italians are now aware of this and I heard that we have to rebel. But this is exactly what they want. A civil war and than a New Italian Order (sorry David): a new fascist state behind a new form of illusory democracy.

We have to break before the illusion and all the pyramid will fall. We have to bring the public opinion out of the matrix showing them the path, imaging us like new Moses. This is our task, this is our destiny.

The final war is started.

I reckon your gonna need more than seven mate:p

[tootrue]

As far as I know from general History, back in the 1950's Communist countries forced 'travellers' to live permanently in one place! For this reason they had to make other people give up their lands, where travellers would reside

According to to the Daily mail something similar might happen in the UK :D :rolleyes: - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1086435/Homeowners-forced-sell-land-travellers-gypsies-permanent-sites.html

[jayelowell]

http://www.myspace.com/themissinglink2thematrix

[filip]

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November08/hatch_dees.jpg

[filip]

This is from the documentary 'Reflections And Warnings - An Interview With Aaron Russo' which has recently been released on prisonplanet.tv:

[Aaron Russo:]
The founding fathers HATED the idea of a democracy. They thought it was the worst form of government there is, and I agree with them. 'Cause in a democracy 51% of the people control 49% of the people. If you're part of the 49% you're not free!
America was founded as a constitutional republic. And in that constitutional republic that we have, 99% of the people can't take away the rights of 1%. You have your rights 'cause you were born with them. You have God-given human rights that nobody can take away from you -the government, the majority- no matter who they are. I can't take away your rights! That's what our founding fathers gave us. But the psychological operations that they do to us, they make us believe that we're a democracy, and that majority rules. You see? And they want you to believe that, 'cause then they tell you 'this poll says this many want this and this many want that and this many want this' and it doesn't have anything to do with anything!

[Alex Jones:]
Well, Hitler was elected.

[Aaron Russo:]
Hitler was elected. Hitler did everything legally.

[Alex Jones:]
And in a constitutional republic a minority is protected against a majority. Wasn't it Benjamin Franklin that - I'm paraphrasing - 'democracy is two wolves and a cheep voting on what's for dinner'?

[Aaron Russo:]
Exactly. And then he also said that in a republic the sheep would have a gun to protect himself. You know, and that's the truth, and America's not a democracy. But you ask the most intelligent people what form of government America's supposed to be, they'll say 'democracy', 'cause that's what they've been brainwashed - they've been psy'-op't - into believing that. They believe that we're in Iraq to promote democracy. The word democracy - you hear George Bush say 'democracy means freedom'. No. Democracy equals New World Order. Democracy equals slavery. The word democracy is not synonymous with freedom. It's the opposite of freedom. Democracy is the worst form of government you can have - it's majority rule! And the government can tell you exactly what they want to tell you to do, 'cause the majority wants it. I don't care what the majority wants! I live my life as I choose, and if I don't commit violence, theft or fraud against another human being I can live my life as I wish.

[the interview goes on]

Thank you Aaron Russo and Alex Jones! Fuck democracy!

[filip]

The lyrics to 'Salt of the Earth' by The Rolling Stones:


Let's drink to the hard working people
Let's drink to the lowly of birth
Raise your glass to the good and the evil
Let's drink to the salt of the earth

Say a prayer for the common foot soldier
Spare a thought for his back breaking work
Say a prayer for his wife and his children
Who burn the fires and who still till the earth

And when I search a faceless crowd
A swirling mass of gray and
Black and white
They don't look real to me
In fact, they look so strange

Raise your glass to the hard working people
Let's drink to the uncounted heads
Let's think of the wavering millions
Who need leaders but get gamblers instead

Spare a thought for the stay-at-home voter
His empty eyes gaze at strange beauty shows
And a parade of the gray suited grafters
A choice of cancer or polio

And when I look in the faceless crowd
A swirling mass of grays and
Black and white
They don't look real to me
Or don't they look so strange

Let's drink to the hard working people
Let's think of the lowly of birth
Spare a thought for the rag taggy people
Let's drink to the salt of the earth

Let's drink to the hard working people
Let's drink to the salt of the earth
Let's drink to the three thousand million
Let's think of the humble of birth

[filip]

"We don't have a two party system in this country, we have a one party [system]: one political party called the big government party. The Republican branch likes war, and deficits, and assaulting our civil liberties; and the Democratic branch likes wealth transfers, and taxes, and assaulting our commercial liberties."

-New Jersey Superior Court Judge Andrew Napolitano, on the Alex Jones radio show, 10-Nov-2009.

[icarus]

Democracy is by the people's vote, but in an age of rigged elections and SkyTV 24/7 moulding the public opinion, it is effectively rule by a narrow interest.

Two million turned out on the streets of London against the Iraq War. That was true democracy at work. It didn't make a blind bit of difference of course.

[fairyelfdog]

Brilliant, filip. Simply briliant. Use it.

[reflectioneternal]

I once read:
'In a democracy, if a majority believe 2+2=3 then by default they are right'

[tien an]

The page is live now.

www.fuckdemocracy.org

Congratulations filip, Who's the guy at the podium?

tian an.

[tien an]

What a great Smoke screen, u are a Zionist agent if not u should sign up pronto.

tsk, tsk sunyatta60...if only you knew. Try reading some of his posts and I'm sure you'll change your mind.


tian an.

[filip]

Congratulations filip, Who's the guy at the podium?

tian an.

Thank you tien an!

That's Olof Palme, a former Prime Minister of Sweden. To me he is the symbol of mob rule.

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olof_Palme )

[filip]

Brilliant, filip. Simply briliant. Use it.

Thanks fairyelfdog! I really appreciate it!

[filip]

I once read:
'In a democracy, if a majority believe 2+2=3 then by default they are right'

...and it's true! I think that's from 1984.

[octopusrex]

I would prefer Philosopher Kings myself.

[senseifil]

all governments are dictatorships when guns are used to enforce its rules. democracy isnt the will of the people, its the will of the people that voted for it. yet the people that didnt vote for it are forced to abide by it anyways.
plus the facts that:
a: the masses are too stupid to make a good choice
b: the masses are too uninformed to make a good choice

[filip]

"It is as flagrantly wrong to coerce people by mental power as it is to coerce them by physical power. If compelling people by physical force to do things for you reduces them to slavery, compelling them by mental means accomplishes exactly the same thing; the only difference is in methods. If taking things from people by physical force is robbery, then taking things by mental force is robbery also; there is no difference in principle.

You have no right to use your will power upon another person, even "for his own good"; for you do not know what is for his good."

- From chapter 9 of The Science of Getting Rich, by Wallace Delois Wattles ( http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/sgr/sgr10.htm )

[mr_pixie]

Bump.

[kj_09]

The more we rely on ourselves and our families, and not on the state, the better. Governments want us to rely on them so we're thankful for the crumbs they push off the table.

[eye_of_aries]

fuck democracy

[veritasvoice]

That's where my opinion differs from yours. I think that democracy, even at its purest state, is wrong.

I would absolutely 100% agree with you, Filip.

Democracy is, and always has been, a total sham. It's the illusion of representation...either you represent your own interests, or you don't - there is no representation by proxy.

You are logically the best person to represent you. Once you give that representation away, it is open to someone else's agenda.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058398598&postcount=22

Any system that allows a majority to over-rule the rights of a minority is inherently tyrannical; democracy is little better than a transitional state of governance on the way to dictatorship/oligarchy...and history has proved that, over and over again.

The best examples in recent years would be: the rise of the Reich (transition from republic to democracy to dictatorship), the member states of the European Union (democracy to oligarchy), and the United States (republic to democracy to oligarchy).

The "will of the people" is always the tyranny of the majority or mob rule, no matter how it is wielded, and it only takes a few people with a knowledge of human nature to turn that to their ends.

"A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury."
~ Alexander Fraser Tytler

"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."~ Alexis de Tocqueville


"If you have been voting for politicians who promise to give you goodies at someone else's expense, then you have no right to complain when they take your money and give it to someone else, including themselves." ~ Thomas Sowell

[juddfinn]

Bananas: "It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham..."

The etamology/root of "DEMOCRACY" = Mob Rule

A true REPUBLIC is a much higher thing... then there is always "Natural Law" (bit on the cosmic side, but David Icke would get it...)

See Democracy vs Republic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

[mrmoney]

Democracy is a perfect system.

It may almost always get horrible results, but it's still perfect. The solution is to inform other people, not to throw out the system itself.

[flyermay]

Democracy is a perfect system.

It may almost always get horrible results, but it's still perfect. The solution is to inform other people, not to throw out the system itself.

Which democracy: the real one, or the fake one we have?

[treehugger]

Congrats on the wicked site. I agree completely!

I think our hate mostly stems from our lack of freedom and misdirected at one another. If we were to slowly take away the methods of enslavement, then we will need no moralising or ethical input, we would automatically come together.

If you goto a place where there is real tyranny like London, you will see people are almost like zombies, if you fell over, they will step over you. Then if you went to a nice town with people who are well off and free you will notice a complete different feel to the place.

So true! As well, I feel if we were to take away this oppression, people would be forced to think for themselves because they would not be constantly told what to do, thus causing people to develop a thought out set of morals.
I think the reason people break so many laws in the first place is simply because they exist. It's human nature to want to rebel. It's like how in Europe kids are taught at a young age that drinking in small amounts is okay and the age of consent is lower. But in North America where the age of consent is higher there are underaged kids getting smashed off their heads at school dances instead of just drinking reasonable amounts.

[filip]

"Freedom has nothing to do with having the right to vote for your oppressor; freedom is not having any form of oppression."

- Waldo Emerson

[filip]

Great input everyone! Keep it up!

[les_paul_robot]

Great website, have linked it many times

[motokeiru]

fuck it

[zsymon]

Democracy in and of itself has always been flawed, even an ideal democracy
that isn't disguised as a dictatorship, even a democracy led by good people,
is inherently flawed.

Why? Because it favors the many over the few. In a proper civilization, the
needs of all people are met, not just those of the majority. When two groups
of people cannot live with eachother because of major disagreements, then
they should live seperately, in two communities where the needs of each
and every individual can be met properly. The few should not have to suffer
because the many have a different opinion.

The needs of the many do NOT outweigh the needs of the few.

[filip]

When two groups
of people cannot live with eachother because of major disagreements, then
they should live seperately, in two communities where the needs of each
and every individual can be met properly.

Exactly! Thanks for pointing that out!

[filip]

An updated version of the site is now live! Check it out:

fuckdemocracy.org (http://fuckdemocracy.org/)

[torchlight]

Democracy in and of itself has always been flawed, even an ideal democracy
that isn't disguised as a dictatorship, even a democracy led by good people,
is inherently flawed.

Why? Because it favors the many over the few. In a proper civilization, the
needs of all people are met, not just those of the majority. When two groups
of people cannot live with eachother because of major disagreements, then
they should live seperately, in two communities where the needs of each
and every individual can be met properly. The few should not have to suffer
because the many have a different opinion.

The needs of the many do NOT outweigh the needs of the few.

In even the most ideal democracy, there should be hefty checks and balances in place to ensure that nobody is denied their right to freedom. In other words, each individual has inalienable rights that democracy should not be able to remove.

What we need is a mass decentralization of power, where every person has a say in every aspect of actually running the country/town/city. In other words, DIRECT democracy where those who go against the wishes of the public are automatically out of a job.

Democracy can work, but not when it's 'show up at the voting booth once every 4-5 years and pick your actor'.

[liquidwolf]

We are supposed to be a republic , and NOT a democracy. If 1% of people are truly good people, and highly potent energetically, then why would we allow the MOB to impose themselves on that 1%. This is why the whole Jury has to agree on the verdict, which is awesome in it's implications.

[throwback]

We are supposed to be a republic , and NOT a democracy. If 1% of people are truly good people, and highly potent energetically, then why would we allow the MOB to impose themselves on that 1%. This is why the whole Jury has to agree on the verdict, which is awesome in it's implications.

It's sad really that so many people mistakenly color a republic and a democracy with the same brush. A democracy silences the non-majority while a proper republic does its best to empower the whole of citizenry.

[filip]

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."

– Adolf Hitler

[motokeiru]

screw it

[outofstate]

An updated version of the site is now live! Check it out:

fuckdemocracy.org (http://fuckdemocracy.org/)

+1

[dusthead]

Isn't democracy just a word derived from Greek to mean that the people decide what the rules are?

If we fuck that ideology, what do we replace it with?

Do we put the dolphins in charge?

[motokeiru]

Isn't democracy just a word derived from Greek to mean that the people decide what the rules are?

If we fuck that ideology, what do we replace it with?

Do we put the dolphins in charge?

We'd probably be better off if dophins were in charge, anyway the word means the rule of the people which in the end means what? Rule of the people over themselves or over others? It's all in the eye of the beholder but as we stand it's the rule of the propaganda and desinfo.

[dreamscope]

“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

:D

[dusthead]

We'd probably be better off if dophins were in charge, anyway the word means the rule of the people which in the end means what? Rule of the people over themselves or over others? It's all in the eye of the beholder but as we stand it's the rule of the propaganda and desinfo.

I think I'd get a bit tired of eating fish.

Do dolphins have any other interests?

[motokeiru]

I think I'd get a bit tired of eating fish.

Do dolphins have any other interests?

I don't think dolphins would force you to eat fish.

[dreamscope]

I don't think dolphins would force you to eat fish.

What if they forced us to dive through hoops and catch fish? Then make silly barking noises whilst clapping..or is that seals..I dunno

[motokeiru]

What if they forced us to dive through hoops and catch fish? Then make silly barking noises whilst clapping..or is that seals..I dunno

That could be hard to do.

[truepositive]

Well, according to douglas adams dolphins are the most intelligent creatures on our planet ;)

I think your essay is spot on, but it may require a little 'softening' in the numbers section. Otherwise, nothing to disagree with.

[dusthead]

I don't think dolphins would force you to eat fish.

I'm not sure they would do much at all.

I wouldn't like to catch a bus if dolphins are running my local council.

Actually, it occurs to me that dolphins may well be running my local council. That would explain why no-one has cleaned the adventure playground since 1986.

[domino1108]

Here be my draft for my website that i'll put up...It's in it's very early stages, I will add a lot more and break it down into more subtitles, videos etc. But please critique...:cool:




Disclaimer – By reading this site you may be engaging in thought-crimes against the state. The laws may be introduced retroactively and thus I take no responsibility for those persecuted for thought crimes attributed to this site. See you in Gitmo.

Death to Democracy!

This site is devoted to the demise of democracy and the democratic process which can be blamed for enslaving millions of people in their countries and in their minds.

Democracy Vs Freedom
Listen to any speech given to by any politician from a democratic country and you will hear the words freedom and democracy used interchangeably as if they were the same thing. This is the biggest joke perpetrated among the people of the West for almost a century.

The first things that are needed to be known to slay the great democratic beast is that the people in power are not the people you see on TV kissing babies, answering softball questions and taking flak from the public. These hacks are commonly known as presidents prime ministers, governors, senators, lords, ladies, councillors and congressmen.

Their job is to be intermediaries for the corporatists that wield the power and influence to the surfs who are enslaved by them. At all cost the shills posing as our leaders will try and play the sandman by misleading, misdirecting and misconstruing all arguments against the policies dictated to them.

At higher levels these puppets have been carefully crafted and compromised throughout their political careers. These people are obedient dogs, think of the last person at your school you would trust to run your country, then think of a school of those people. The people that pretend to be in power are a handful of these pupils, they will be so wrapped up in it that they probably don’t even know it themselves.

It is highly important that a plush looking media takes the people that the system puts out seriously because at face value, these odious people are not believable. Thanks to the corporate media, the system is secured complete with false opposition.

successor in grooming stage to make a fake burst onto the scene with the familiar underdog story.

Whereas the government acts as our enforcers to tell us what to do and not to do, the media acts as our brains. They will tell us what to think, how to act when to act (always in their interest) when not to act etc.

In politics the media will overplay the differences between the leader and false opposition who will debate very enthusiastically but a lot like the rivalry between pro-wrestlers in the WWE, it is a theatrical performance, these wrestlers might get insulted, injured and beat up but the fact is that storylines are fixed and the fights are 99% predetermined.

Edward L Bernays who literally wrote the book on propaganda (titled propaganda) said:


Mentalist Darren Brown hypnotised a man in a photo booth, flew him to another photo booth in Morocco which is where he woke up completely oblivious. If one person can be so easily controlled then influencing millions to either caste a vote one way or not cast a vote at all, is an easy task.

But to pretend that voting constitutes a democracy is an elitist joke.

As Karl Marx said,


Obviously Marx is no fountain of freedom but he is correct with this one. The left are offering us more taxes while the right offer us less freedom, yet they both give us more taxes and less freedom. This is the scam but because we think that one offers us less pain than the other, we go for it. It is a bit like being offered a kick in the balls or a punch in the face.

This obviously cannot last forever as the people will eventually rise up so as soon as the public belief factor reaches breaking point, the corporatists will replace their puppet with a shelling of abuse, replace it with another slimy, charismatic sell-out and the democratic machine will continue to roll.

Though the job of micromanagement of the democratic process by the media is important, the prime objective is to maintain the illusion of freedom. They present us with a choice of the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right and if you don’t like it then there are a million reality shows, soaps and sports to get lost in. Distracting and apathising the people is exactly what Caligula of Rome did to it’s people when he created the Coliseum to divert the people’s attention away from the suffering, disease and starvation and onto something else.

If you ask most people on the street, most will tell you that politicians are corrupt but the spin by the politicians and media has lulled them into a sense of defeat. This is the biggest lie they have portrayed against the people. The population in the developed world is about 1.2 billion people and there are only a few thousand elites (and a couple hundred puppet masters). What they fear most is a peaceful dissemination of the truth of freedom and the lies that have been sold to us through Democracy and its sister, communism. The people will realise that the Oligarchy is not a huge monolithic beast but a paper tiger, all these elites are doing are defending the first domino and all we need to do is knock it down and their entire New World Order will fall.

Please join the fight for freedom!

Brilliant :D;):D

[amaltheaforrester]

I love it.

The only thing I might request you add is concrete examples of what people can do to fight for freedom. Some are obvious: repost this info, etc. but in my experience in the truth movement there is much call to organisation and action without concrete advice on how to go about being part of the resistance. Help the noobs out and tell us what exactly we can do!

Awesome work though and when you are done I will totally repost it on my social networks.

[jesusistruth]

Our enemy is socialism in all it's forms. Robbing people for whatever cause, even defense, is spineless. If we claim to be moral we cannot compromise for nothing.

Let us then do the good that we can and work on terms with the government and it's people. Do not vote, but show a good example that voting isn't needed. Provide for the poor, education, order.

[alisa2]

The reason nothing ever changes is because the Feds have usurped power from the people to create their own money. When the "Feds" create money, people are regulated. There used to be laws regulating money, however, since there is no money to regulate, they have to regulate people- the real creators of money.

Money is a product of man's labor:

http://www.econlib.org/library/YPDBooks/Brough/brghNLM1.html Gold, silver and other precious metals are products of man's labor. Since the Federal Reserve has usurped the power to create money from the people themselves, the people have no power to change anything, let alone a political system.

The people are not Sovereign.

Definition of Sovereignty by Hugo Grotius 1583-1645

"That is called Supreme, whose Acts are not subject to another's Power, so that they cannot be made void by any other human Will. When I say, by any other, I exclude the sovereign himself, who may change his own Will, as also his Successor, who enjoys the same Right, and consequently has the same Power, and no other. Let us see what the Sovereign Power may have for its Subject. The Subject then is either common or proper: As the Body is the common Subject of Sight, the Eye the proper; so the common Subject of Supreme Power is the State; which I have before called a perfect Society of Men."



If we want our Sovereignty back, we have to become the Sovereign by taking our power to create our own money back from the Feds; otherwise, nothing changes.

[arthas6014]

I suppose the author is right in many ways.
In our societies, which we call democracy, is more like representative democracies with ruling parties. You see, everyone can shout as much as they can, but if you split up the pieces of those votes, you will see a picture with ruling elite, very clearly.
For example, 65-75% of people who have right to vote, gonna go vote. The rest 25-35% - 1) disagree with the current system and are rebelling against it(including anarchists). 2) just don't care about that thing. 3) are not sure about any candidates and are in confusion, hence dont vote. 4) don't see any good candidates and 'vote' for themselves by not voting. 5) See that its just a muppet show and won't change anything, if you vote or not. 6) And so on and forth.
From the 65-75%, some of the voting tickets get cancelled due to damage, inappropriate 'checks' or something like this. Its about 5-10%. Lets say we have now 60-70% of the people votes accounted, averagely.
Now its getting even more trickier. Lets say the winning party got 25% of those people, second party got 15%, third party 10%, other 10-20% are in misc parties plus individuals.
Now we get to the actual people, who got into positions of power. The simple explanation is that some people voted for candidate B, C or D in the winning party, but the person, who got into power, was due to the regulations of the party, and thats a person A. So about 20-25% of the votes are 'used' actually for some other candidate in same party.
And now we get to the trickiest part. Once people voted, the people, who got on positions of power are not accountable for those promises they made before election days. Mwahahahaha!:D (''you know, the winds blew in the wrong direction and I had a bad day'' and such)
And the afterparty is that when the people have been in the cabinets for 4 years, they can walk off of every shit they have made in those 4 years.

Now THATS pure representative democracy:cool:

P.S. Oh and I didn't mention LOBBYING, which is the heart of the winds blown onto candidates.
P.S.S. The world is fucked, I know :D

[palgrave]

Well, according to douglas adams dolphins are the most intelligent creatures on our planet ;)

I think your essay is spot on, but it may require a little 'softening' in the numbers section. Otherwise, nothing to disagree with.

Dolphins gang rape -so do Mallards

[apersonawareofhismind]

+1

dont say fuck democracy its only a bad system because the wrong people are in charge and are not even letting the true meaning of the system to happen the same way "communist ditactors" screw up the system, those 2 words are even opposites

[tinyint]

Anything short of a "world" democracy is a sham.

Frankly, I my vote goes to the Philosopher Kings of old and an archaic-revival with certain novelty ... tiddings.

You mean the famous enlightened masters of the old?




Excellent original post, filip. :)

[filip]

Thanks for all your input! Keep it coming!

Here's another one:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5573090142_b76c37c6c0_z.jpg

[twilighterheart]

Yeah, fuck you demoncracy lies! Anyways, some intelligent debate.
History Wars: Is the Monarchy a Dangerous Relic of the Past?
http://www.rom.on.ca/media/podcasts/display.php?id=151
The first of four lively debates on Canada's History. Michael Bliss and John Fraser argue the relevance of the monarchy to Canada today. Moderated by J.L. Granatstein.

The opinions expressed in this lecture are those of the speaker and do not necessarily reflect the positions of the Royal Ontario Museum (ROM).

[filip]

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/April20115/64.jpg

'Capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through process of law, the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of the government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers.

These truths are well known among our principal men, who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance. It is thus, by discrete action, we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.'

- Montagu Norman, Governor of The Bank Of England, addressing the United States Bankers' Association, New York, 1924.

Or, as David Icke put it in last week's newsletter ...

'The Left v Right political 'spectrum' has been constructed to divide and rule the people while the same network controls and funds both 'sides' and so dictates the political agendas and their direction. George Galloway is every bit a pawn as, say, Margaret Thatcher, John McCain or Sarah Palin. They are simply called Left and Right, red or blue, in the same way that pawns in a chess game are different colours, but the same pawns with the same worth.'

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/47150-from-the-horses-mouth

[filip]

http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/funny_demotivational_posters_640_07.jpg

[filip]

http://videos.mediaite.com/embed/player/container/420/421/?layout=&playlist_cid=&media_type=video&content=7XR3WG1B6WZ67PTZ&read_more=1&widget_type_cid=svp&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fjon-stewart-scolds-media-for-ignoring-rep-ron-paul%2F#

[dug4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efKguI0NFek

[beyonddimensions]

Vote for Ron Paul.

Signed, Alex Jones.

[ragnarok]

http://videos.mediaite.com/embed/player/container/420/421/?layout=&playlist_cid=&media_type=video&content=7XR3WG1B6WZ67PTZ&read_more=1&widget_type_cid=svp&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fjon-stewart-scolds-media-for-ignoring-rep-ron-paul%2F#

That was hilarious. I wonder if Ron has got the hint yet?

[the rational thinker]

That was hilarious. I wonder if Ron has got the hint yet?

Indeed it was, that http://videos.mediaite.com/ website is now No.1 on my fav's list. :D

Great thread filip!