Ralph Nader: "Things are a worse than we thought"

[graflok]

According to this talk by Ralph Nader, the Dems won't impeach Bush/Cheney
because Bush will declare martial law and cancel the next election if they try it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO-tCPSfHA

[abrilliantone]

:eek: thanks for the vid garflok

[majicdragon]

It's time to Stand Up babies! Yeah! Come on Yeah! Roll with this one Backyard Hollywood! Now we're getting somewhere Babies! Threats! Craziness! Yeah ! Out in the open! END GAME.

[ryanc]

Of course, here in the US a sadly huge number of people still blame Nader for the mess we're in, since he "cost Gore the election." Never mind that the election was stolen from Gore while he watched and Nader had nothing to do with that---besides, why not turn the logic around and say Gore should have dropped out of the race because of all the votes he was stealing from Nader?

Don't get me wrong, Nader was hardly a perfect candidate, but he was and reamins vastly superior to anything the "big two" parties have put out in my lifetime. I wish the Dems would stop whining and accept the fact that Nader didn't cost Gore the election---Gore cost Gore the election.

[revolutionary_jam]

Of course, here in the US a sadly huge number of people still blame Nader for the mess we're in, since he "cost Gore the election." To be fair he stupidly campained in swing states instead of in certain states to get votes even under advisement not to beacuse it would help Bush get in :(

still respect him for standing up for whats good tho

[synergy777]

gore was part of the plan, he was compliant in the neocon takeover. he never protested over the election, and they promoted him to a green guru.

a green guru whose inconvinent truth has been exposed as very flimsy.

[sangye]

How can we know its true?

If so can we copy and post all over the internet?

[synergy777]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article2652851.ece

The Sunday TimesOctober 14, 2007

Please, sir - Gore's got warming wrongJonathan Leake, Environment Editor
THE tormentors of Al Gore, who last week won a legal victory against his film, An Inconvenient Truth, are to step up their battle by sending British secondary schools a documentary attacking the science of global warming.

Channel 4’s The Great Global Warming Swindle has become one of the most notorious documentaries of the year, attracting complaints from dozens of scientists and viewers.

This weekend, however, the campaigners behind the High Court case said they planned to send copies to 3,400 secondary schools “to counter Gore’s flagrant propaganda”.

Gore is a joint winner of the Nobel peace prize for his efforts to educate the world about climate change. An Inconvenient Truth has also won two Oscars.

The distribution of The Great Global Warming Swindle is being funded by Viscount Monckton, who is part of a counter-campaign to undermine the scientific consensus on climate change.

Monckton was one of the backers of Stewart Dimmock, the Kent lorry driver and school governor who took the government to court for sending copies of Gore’s film to schools.

The two are connected through the New party, a right-wing group whose manifesto was written by Monckton and of which Dimmock is a member.

Last week Mr Justice Burton ruled that, although it was broadly correct, An Inconvenient Truth contained at least nine scientific errors and said ministers must send new guidance to teachers before it was screened. The judge said, for example, that Gore was wrong to suggest polar bears were already drowning due to ice melting when this was just a prediction.

“That ruling was a fantastic victory,” said Monckton, a former Downing Street adviser to Baroness Thatcher. “What we want to do now is send schools material reflecting an alternative point of view so that pupils can make their own minds up.”

Dimmock was awarded only two-thirds of his costs and is understood to have a bill of more than £60,000. Monckton confirmed that he was among his “backers” but refused to confirm if he had financed the case.

Monckton has obtained funding from a right-wing Washington think tank, the Science and Public Policy Institute (SPPI), to create a second film that will also be sent to schools. Entitled Apocalypse No, it parodies Gore, showing Monckton presenting a slide show in a vitriolic attack on climate change science.

Bob Ferguson, president of the SPPI, said: “We have filmed Christopher [Monckton] making a presentation to the Cambridge University Union . . . It could be sent out quite soon. We want to inform the public and policy makers that there are different views on climate change.”

Monckton has also won support from the maker of The Great Global Warming Swindle.

Martin Durkin, managing director of WAG TV, said he would be delighted for his film to go to schools. “I have become a proselytiser against the so-called consensus on climate change . . . people can decide for themselves,” he said.

Environmentalists say many questions remain about Durkin’s film. Channel 4 said that two of the scientists who took part have complained that the editing gave a misleading impression of critical data and their own viewpoints. Ofcom, which regulates broadcast media, is examining other complaints from scientists.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which shared the Nobel prize with Gore, is preparing a Synthesis Report. Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, said the report would show that the earth faced a catastrophic temperature rise within the next century.

George Monbiot, an environmentalist and critic of Monckton, said: “He is trying to take on the global scientific establishment on the strength of a classics degree from Cambridge.”

[revolutionary_jam]

gore was part of the plan, he was compliant in the neocon takeover. he never protested over the election, and they promoted him to a green guru.

a green guru whose inconvinent truth has been exposed as very flimsy.

yer agree completely, and whats to be said about the real green guru Ralph Nader? Where's his peace prize? he's only 73 years old and still campaining for a sustainable economic system

[synergy777]

if you play ball, join them, only then will they promote, fund/reward you.

[ryanc]

yer agree completely, and whats to be said about the real green guru Ralph Nader? Where's his peace prize? he's only 73 years old and still campaining for a sustainable economic system

That's a fair point, Nader has done---ohhh, just at a rough estimate---about 800 times as much for the environment as Gore ever has, and his actions are reflected in his day-to-day life as well, he was minimizing his "carbon footprint" before the phrase was even invented. So while Gore flies around on Gulfstream jets and lives in a lavish mansion that uses 20 times the electricity of the average American home and makes up for it by paying those phony "carbon credits" that he and Hollywood cooked up to salve their guilty environmental consciences, Nader does what he's always done---lives in a modest apartment and rides public transportation everywhere. He flew commercail throughout his campaign, and still does son whenever he flies, and has never owned a car. Gore preaches---Nader practices.

[revolutionary_jam]

That's a fair point, Nader has done---ohhh, just at a rough estimate---about 800 times as much for the environment as Gore ever has, and his actions are reflected in his day-to-day life as well, he was minimizing his "carbon footprint" before the phrase was even invented. So while Gore flies around on Gulfstream jets and lives in a lavish mansion that uses 20 times the electricity of the average American home and makes up for it by paying those phony "carbon credits" that he and Hollywood cooked up to salve their guilty environmental consciences, Nader does what he's always done---lives in a modest apartment and rides public transportation everywhere. He flew commercail throughout his campaign, and still does son whenever he flies, and has never owned a car. Gore preaches---Nader practices.


Wow thanks for this post! I really enjoyed reading it and found it informative...

[ryanc]

Wow thanks for this post! I really enjoyed reading it and found it informative...

You're very welcome, try to check out the documentary film about Nader, "An Unreasonable Man," if you get the chance---it presents all the arguments pro and con about his 2000 race, but I still think that most folks, in fact more or less anyone who hasn't swallowed the Democratic Party kool-aid, will walk away from the film impressed by Nader and have a better understanding of why he decided to absolutely stand on principle rather than cave in to the Gore machine that fateful year. I don't agree with Nader on everything, but I take my hat off to him for being a guy who practices what he preaches 100 percent and would rather die standing on his principles than live with compromising them.

[synergy777]

http://infowars.net/articles/october2007/151007Gore_conspiracy.htm

Man Made Climate Change Advocates Say Challenge To Gore Film Is Huge Industrialist Conspiracy
Ridiculous response to High Court's inconvenient ruling

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, Oct 15, 2007


Advocates of the man made global warming theory have jumped on an article in yesterday's London Observer which insinuates that a recent court case which attempted to stop Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth being shown to school children in the UK is part of a vast conspiracy secretly being implemented by big industry insiders.

The Observer article, via a series of tenuous claims, suggests that the school governor, Stewart Dimmock, who challenged the screening of Al Gore's climate change documentary in secondary schools, calling it "tantamount to brainwashing", was funded by "a powerful network of business interests with close links to the fuel and mining lobbies."

The claim has seemingly arose from the fact that Mr Dimmock says he received some financial backing from a small Scotland-based political party which campaigns for lower taxes and the expanding nuclear power. The report also says Dimmock was backed by (gasp, shock, horror) "a local Conservative Party figure".

The Observer then claims that this Scotland-based party received some funding three years ago from a non-profit body called Scientific Alliance, composed of scientists and non-scientists, which aims to challenge many of the claims about man made global warming.

The Observer then makes a leap of faith by claiming that this group is linked to Exxon Mobil as it once co-authored a report, which questioned climate change claims, with the George C Marshall Institute, a US body that has been funded in the past by the energy giant Exxon Mobil.

Ever heard of the "you're only five steps away from any other person" theory? In short, advocates of man made climate change have decided that this series of unverified claims and distant links confirms that the kingpins of the big energy companies are involved in a secret plot to discredit Al Gore and his legion of man made global warming fans.

In truth, as the afore mentioned court case found, it is Al Gore's film itself that discredits the theory of man made global warming, as it is chock full of provable errors and junk science:

A British High Court judge this week exposed nine inaccuracies in former U.S. vice president Al Gore's award-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth, labelling it "a political film" and calling many of its claims about climate change "alarmist" and "exaggerated."

Though it stopped short of preventing the film being shown in schools, the High Court ruled that the documentary would have to be screened with guidance notes because it is unbalanced. Perhaps the judge involved in the case also has some distant and tenuous link to someone who once knew someone who worked for an energy company?

We have previously shown that although the UN's IPCC and Gore's film claim that "a consensus" of all scientists endorse the man made warming theory, studies have shown that in truth less than half even tacitly endorse it.

We have also shown that the common charge that questioning the official orthodoxy of the global warming religion equates to acting as a stooge for the western establishment and big business interests is a complete reversal of the truth. In fact it is the high priests of the elite and kingpin oil men like chairman of British Petroleum, Peter Sutherland, that continue to fan the flames of global warming hysteria.

Global Warming is being used by established western industrial nations in conjunction with globalist groups such as the CFR, Bilderberg and the Trilateral Commission, which are populated with heads of corporate industry, to place draconian restrictions upon developing countries and force up energy prices. Industrial globalists have everything to gain from perpetuating the man made theory, the logic that they would conspire against climate change advocates is impaired.

NINE CONVENIENT UNTRUTHS AS RULED BY THE BRITISH HIGH COURT

Untruth 1

Gore says: A sea-level rise of up to seven metres will be caused by melting of either West Antarctic or Greenland ice cap in the near future. Cities such as Beijing, Calcutta and Manhattan would be devastated.

Judge says: "This is distinctly alarmist, and part of Mr. Gore's 'wake-up call.' It is common ground that if indeed Greenland melted, it would release this amount of water, but only after, and over, millennia, so that the Armageddon scenario he predicts, insofar as it suggests that sea-level rises of seven metres might occur in the immediate future, is not in line with the scientific consensus."

Untruth 2

Gore says: Low lying inhabited Pacific atolls are being inundated because of anthropogenic global warming. "That's why the citizens of these Pacific nations have all had to evacuate to New Zealand."

Judge says: "There is no evidence of any such evacuation having yet happened."

Untruth 3

Gore says: The shutting down of the "Ocean Conveyor" would lead to another ice age.

Judge says: "According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, it is very unlikely that the Ocean Conveyor (an ocean current known technically as the Meridional Overturning Circulation or thermohaline circulation) will shut down in the future, though it is considered likely that thermohaline circulation may slow down."

Untruth 4

Gore says: Two graphs relating to a period of 650,000 years, one showing rise in CO2 and one showing rise in temperature, show an exact fit.

Judge says: "Although there is general scientific agreement that there is a connection, the two graphs do not establish what Mr. Gore asserts."

Untruth 5

Gore says: The disappearance of snow on Mt. Kilimanjaro is expressly attributable to global warming.

Judge says: "The scientific consensus is that it cannot be established that the recession of snows on Mt. Kilimanjaro is mainly attributable to human-induced climate change."

Untruth 6

Gore says: The drying up of Lake Chad is a prime example of a catastrophic result of global warming.

Judge says: "It is generally accepted that the evidence remains insufficient to establish such an attribution."

Untruth 7

Gore says: Hurricane Katrina and the consequent devastation in New Orleans is due to global warming.

Judge says: "It is common ground that there is insufficient evidence to show that."

Untruth 8

Gore says: Polar bears have drowned swimming long distances to find ice.

Judge says: "The only scientific study that either side before me can find is one which indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm."

Untruth 9

Gore says: Coral reefs are bleaching because of global warming.

Judge says: "The actual scientific view, as recorded in the IPCC report, is that, if the temperature were to rise by 1-3 degrees centigrade, there would be increased coral bleaching and widespread coral mortality, unless corals could adapt or acclimatize."