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[thetonic]

Very provacative information within...

October 9, 2007 - Tuesday - 7:15 AM
Civil War is Decimating the Truth Movement

Outlaw News
October 9, 2007

I recently wrote an article about a cartoon show depicting human sacrifice at the Bohemian Grove that received widespread exposure throughout the Truth-Net. An incredible thing happened in the comments section of this article. Off the bat commenters began into rather sloppy explanations of how Jesus was the only way to stop the satanic Jews. People then began calling them Anti-Semites and Christian idiots, and very quickly this degraded into a circus, where the article was not even mentioned, and commenters simply began using the comments section as a forum to argue violently about disinformation. The Reptilian believers and the Anti-Catholics also joined in and began attacking the Christians, Atheists, and Anti-Zionists.

I wondered what a person who is just becoming familiarized with the ideas dealt with in this Movement would have thought upon reading this rambling, purposeless argument. Even if they did not determine that this entire Movement was simply a bunch of childlike, emotional people who seem to have the sole intent of insulting one another and are likely totally incapable of having even the faintest grasp on reality, I fear they would probably be significantly confused and overwhelmed by the whole maddening situation that they would completely shut down, deciding consciously or otherwise that the whole thing was too confusing for anyone to try and understand. What's worse, they may just pick a side, and join in the confusion.

Though the concept of a super-imposed Civil War being orchestrated from outside of the Movement was already clear in my mind, I was very impacted by the severity of this situation upon witnessing this hideous debacle; it hit me that this has become standard fare wherever the Truth is discussed, to the point where the Truth is no longer a point of discussion. It is plain to any objective outsider that this kind of nonsensical bickering would not naturally have evolved, anymore than a Civil War in Iraq could naturally evolve. It occurred to me that these people were all being programmed and manipulated by outside forces, in order to prevent them from ever being able to work together in any sense at all, or even communicate and share or discuss ideas dispassionately; instead, they all became viciously egotistical and terminally emotional, clearly having the singular objective of bickering for bickering's sake.

There has been a lot of back-slapping and self congratulation going around, because people are beginning to wake up at a much accelerated rate. However, as much as this may upset some of you, I see this as having much less to do with those of us in the movement having done our job properly than it does with the fact that at this stage in the game, things have become so publicly obvious that the average person has to be nearly catatonic to not see what is happening around them. Because of how blatant the entire New World Order agenda has become, the surge among our ranks should be at least triple what it has been. They have made our job incredibly easy, and thus it was necessary to make us almost completely incapable of doing it effectively.

The people orchestrating this crippling cognitive dysfunction among the movement are experiencing incredible success. Their mission to destroy any chance for unity among those dissenting against this horrific nightmare that the controllers of the world are bringing down on us is a military operation, and military tactics are being employed. It is thus that we may learn something from the externally orchestrated Civil War in Iraq.

You will find that if you survey any large group of individuals, there will be a spectrum of individual worldviews within that group. This is part of man's innate human nature, due to the fact that we are capable of exercising free thought. Naturally then, there are many people of many different mindsets within Iraq. The differences were mainly religious and ethnic. Before the invasion, people in Iraq were not torturing each others families and the streets of Baghdad were not lined with mutilated corpses every morning. In fact, despite the vast diversity of the Iraqi population, the people of Iraq worked together to maintain their society, probably better than any other Arab or Muslim country. If this unity would have been maintained, the war would have lasted a couple of months at most, and short of nuking every city in the country, US forces would have been utterly incapable of securing a foothold; if there is a unified front, it is completely impossible to win a war with a largely tribal population on their home soil, no matter what kind of futuristic weapons you may possess (see "Vietnam").

The solution to this kind of situation is obvious to someone with an instinctual ability to exploit people's natural human weaknesses. You send in special forces to attack one group and blame the attacks on another group and then you place shills in among the people, who say all the right things to the group they have been chosen to guide, and use this to lead them into battle against one another (people will follow these leaders, who claim to represent their interests, out of a tribal instinct to unify against a perceived threat – the same instinct that would have ensured a failed US campaign if it had not been exploited). We saw the bombing of the Golden Mosque by the US and allied intelligence forces and the initial killings of entire families, always done by men in black masks. The various groups are almost all being funded by the US, or at least have been at some point. Having been thusly brought under control, they can be forever played off against one another until the threat of the people being able to offer any kind of significant resistance is totally nullified. This is precisely what has happened in the Truth movement.

If things do not change, the Iraqis are never going to get their country back, and if we do not deal with our differences in opinion in a more rational and adult way, we are never going to be able to constructively combat the global elite, and the world in it's entirety will be lost to this scientific pathocracy. Our children, if they survive, will live in a world where even their thoughts will be dictated to them.

With the stakes this high, the fact that 90% of our energy is being exerted in fighting one another is utterly sickening. I am personally calling for an end to the absolutely shameful level of irresponsibility that members of this Movement are demonstrating. There is only one solution to this crisis. Firstly, we all have the same enemy and people must stop acting like children who cannot accept that someone has a slightly different viewpoint; if you are secure in your own understandings, there is absolutely no need for you to attack those that disagree with you. Second, the discussion of all subjects must be allowed to take place dispassionately; just because you do not agree with a person does not mean that you cannot discuss the issue in a respectful manner, and do not simply disregard someone based on preconceived notions. For example, you do not have to be a Christian to see that, yes, current events do seem to be playing out as they were written in the book of revelations, you do not have to be an Anti-Semite to see that Israel plays a pretty significant role in American politics, and you do not have to be an Atheist to see that religions are being used to control people in the same way they have been throughout history. The odds are, if we could discuss things without simply attacking one another, we would find that our positions are not the different. Third, do not listen to radio shows where the host spends more that 5% of his airtime attacking other members of the Truth Movement; anyone who does this is a shill or an eager idiot, and should be avoided like the plague. The last and most import thing is to always remember to never engage someone who is blatantly trying to provoke you. If you ignore purposefully incendiary remarks, COINTELPRO is left without a leg to stand on.

I hope that you will all give some serious thought to what I've said here. This is our last chance to save the human race. I say we give it our best shot.

—

In my next article, I will detail the methods used to start up these conflicts, and the various ideas that people have been indoctrinated with, through the use of select facts and massive emotional and psychological exploitation.

-Andre

[eternal_spirit]

:eek::D

[limelady]

That's a great post thanks thetonic!

To a lessor degree, we are seeing this same situation playing out on this forum, and of course this is how the PTBs manage to keep pressing on with their planned agenda. Its a simple formula, but it works.....all you need do is get the people arguing amongst themselves and taking a side or a particular stance, then you have them totally hooked into something to pre-occupy them all while 'they' merrily carry on and do what you were planning to do. i.e. bring in their planned NWO agenda!

I hope everyone reads this thread, as unless we all wisen up swiftly, we will be trampled on all the way to the cattle pen, as they continue to herd us to exactly where 'they' want us to go. Once IN that pen, we will be forever powerless.

Thanks again for the post :)

[deca]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4655196.stm
'Fight the net'

When it describes plans for electronic warfare, or EW, the document takes on an extraordinary tone.

It seems to see the internet as being equivalent to an enemy weapons system.

"Strategy should be based on the premise that the Department [of Defense] will 'fight the net' as it would an enemy weapons system," it reads.

The slogan "fight the net" appears several times throughout the roadmap.

The authors warn that US networks are very vulnerable to attack by hackers, enemies seeking to disable them, or spies looking for intelligence.

"Networks are growing faster than we can defend them... Attack sophistication is increasing... Number of events is increasing."

[auron]

Good post there mate!!

[roxanna222]

However, as much as this may upset some of you, I see this as having much less to do with those of us in the movement having done our job properly than it does with the fact that at this stage in the game, things have become so publicly obvious that the average person has to be nearly catatonic to not see what is happening around them. Because of how blatant the entire New World Order agenda has become, the surge among our ranks should be at least triple what it has been. They have made our job incredibly easy, and thus it was necessary to make us almost completely incapable of doing it effectively.

Well put.

[dondaz]

they can be forever played off against one another until the threat of the people being able to offer any kind of significant resistance is totally nullified. This is precisely what has happened in the Truth movement.

I see it.

do not listen to radio shows where the host spends more that 5% of his airtime attacking other members of the Truth Movement; anyone who does this is a shill or an eager idiot, and should be avoided like the plague.

This is how to avoid trolls.

The last and most import thing is to always remember to never engage someone who is blatantly trying to provoke you.

I'm getting it logged in!

If you ignore purposefully incendiary remarks, COINTELPRO is left without a leg to stand on.

Who are COINTELPRO?

I hope that you will all give some serious thought to what I've said here. This is our last chance to save the human race. I say we give it our best shot.

Another good waking up call for those of us who think we are awake!

Bloody good read and the type of article that people like me need to read to be honest. This is just what they do on here. Fucking hell. I am definately learning. What nasty people these deviders and rulers are!

Thanks for posting this thetonic. Just what I needed. Could we get a sticky on this LL?

[limelady]

Thanks for posting this thetonic. Just what I needed. Could we get a sticky on this LL?

Yeah, good idea dondaz, I'll sticky it in general for a while, then I'll move it into a more permanent place and sticky it there for keeping. We can then refer people to this thread if they need a reminder about 'divide and rule', and how it plays out.

[Anders Lindman]

Some fights can be constructive. And fights are sometimes better than having people pretending to be nice. Hehe.

[somewarez]

I agree Thetonic :)

Well written its simple divide and conquer tactics, thanks Thetonic for writing it down so well.
/signed

SW

[dondaz]

I agree Thetonic :)

Well written its simple divide and conquer tactics, thanks Thetonic for writing it down so well.
/signed

SW

You actually wrote that yourself thetonic? Excellent! Looking forward to yout next article on the subject.

I'm off out, JW is giving another public lecture. Got me camera ready. See yers later;)

[john white]

For example, you do not have to be a Christian to see that, yes, current events do seem to be playing out as they were written in the book of revelations, you do not have to be an Anti-Semite to see that Israel plays a pretty significant role in American politics, and you do not have to be an Atheist to see that religions are being used to control people in the same way they have been throughout history.

Cracking that

Nice job andre

[thetonic]

Thanks everyone, appreciate the support, however, i did not write the article, that was andre @ outlaw news...sorry i did not clarify as i posted in completed haste!... It does reiterate my feelings about the trolldom issue though = stop giving them your energy!

[celtic isis]

That's a great post thanks thetonic!

To a lessor degree, we are seeing this same situation playing out on this forum, and of course this is how the PTBs manage to keep pressing on with their planned agenda. Its a simple formula, but it works.....all you need do is get the people arguing amongst themselves and taking a side or a particular stance, then you have them totally hooked into something to pre-occupy them all while 'they' merrily carry on and do what you were planning to do. i.e. bring in their planned NWO agenda!

I hope everyone reads this thread, as unless we all wisen up swiftly, we will be trampled on all the way to the cattle pen, as they continue to herd us to exactly where 'they' want us to go. Once IN that pen, we will be forever powerless.

Thanks again for the post :)

message received loud and clear ;)

[celtic isis]

You actually wrote that yourself thetonic? Excellent! Looking forward to yout next article on the subject.

I'm off out, JW is giving another public lecture. Got me camera ready. See yers later;)

haha love what you did to the police in your you've been framed vid dondaz! :D

kool avatar!

[strider]

Best thing I've read for ages :D

[soltru]

i'm really feeling that post,
its the same in many small and large groups/organisations/countrys/societies


cheers,

[klinker]

It does reiterate my feelings about the trolldom issue though = stop giving them your energy!

An oft repeated piece advice. I've been saying it for months and got fed up with wondering why the arseholes were not being kicked off the forum so I departed from the scene for a while. I expect I'll do the same again.

[albie]

I hope that you will all give some serious thought to what I've said here. This is our last chance to save the human race. I say we give it our best shot.

Oh.

My.

God.

Ego alert!

[auron]

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[albie]

That's a great post thanks thetonic!

To a lessor degree, we are seeing this same situation playing out on this forum, and of course this is how the PTBs manage to keep pressing on with their planned agenda. Its a simple formula, but it works.....all you need do is get the people arguing amongst themselves and taking a side or a particular stance, then you have them totally hooked into something to pre-occupy them all while 'they' merrily carry on and do what you were planning to do. i.e. bring in their planned NWO agenda!

I hope everyone reads this thread, as unless we all wisen up swiftly, we will be trampled on all the way to the cattle pen, as they continue to herd us to exactly where 'they' want us to go. Once IN that pen, we will be forever powerless.

Thanks again for the post :)

I hope you are not including me in this. Seeing as I'm always fighting on my own against the mob.

[clipwip]

great article! this infighting and emotionally-charged BS pisses me off to no end.

[gold]

Iraq will never get their land back, as now it belongs to Bush & Co. This land is Bushes and Liz's (so they believe) and for some reason they aim to make it theirs! What is about the Middle East with the Illuminati?

[theentitywebsite]

surely what everyone needs to do is stop arguing amongst there selves we have the power but we need to work together people need to stop arguing about who's to blame religion race reptiles etc and taking the mick out of people for thinking different there is enough evidence been put together for us to go out on the street and demand the truth there must be millions and millions of people all over the world who no there is a mass conspiracy going on the trouble is where arguing with are self who's to blame is it the jews is it the lizards is it the governments etc lets just ask the people at the top if millions all over the world went on the street tomorrow put there differences behind them and we want the truth ufos religion the Illuminati 911 spirit world everything the whole deal we would have to get it all you have to ask your self is our you ready for the truth i no i am i cant put up with this crazy world much longer.we then can all go forward and build the world we no it should be no war,no poverty,no children killing kids,no idle mega rich looking down etc. thats just my view the power is with us but we have to be united.

[irak]

Very provacative information within...



..if we do not deal with our differences in opinion in a more rational and adult way, we are never going to be able to constructively combat the global elite, and the world in it's entirety will be lost to this scientific pathocracy. Our children, if they survive, will live in a world where even their thoughts will be dictated to them.

With the stakes this high, the fact that 90% of our energy is being exerted in fighting one another is utterly sickening. I am personally calling for an end to the absolutely shameful level of irresponsibility that members of this Movement are demonstrating. There is only one solution to this crisis. Firstly, we all have the same enemy and people must stop acting like children who cannot accept that someone has a slightly different viewpoint; if you are secure in your own understandings, there is absolutely no need for you to attack those that disagree with you. Second, the discussion of all subjects must be allowed to take place dispassionately; just because you do not agree with a person does not mean that you cannot discuss the issue in a respectful manner, and do not simply disregard someone based on preconceived notions. For example, you do not have to be a Christian to see that, yes, current events do seem to be playing out as they were written in the book of revelations, you do not have to be an Anti-Semite to see that Israel plays a pretty significant role in American politics, and you do not have to be an Atheist to see that religions are being used to control people in the same way they have been throughout history. The odds are, if we could discuss things without simply attacking one another, we would find that our positions are not the different. Third, do not listen to radio shows where the host spends more that 5% of his airtime attacking other members of the Truth Movement; anyone who does this is a shill or an eager idiot, and should be avoided like the plague. The last and most import thing is to always remember to never engage someone who is blatantly trying to provoke you. If you ignore purposefully incendiary remarks, COINTELPRO is left without a leg to stand on.

I hope that you will all give some serious thought to what I've said here. This is our last chance to save the human race. I say we give it our best shot.


-Andre

..you are soo correct - it's getting sewere now all over the forum, i say this should be default start of all new threads!

[jim fear]

If everyone went out tomorrow and demanded that the government released all info on UFO’s, as an example I predict that one of three things would happen

1: they’d say “ Yes there are UFO/Aliens No we can’t defend anyone against them if they choose to attack (then everyone freaks out)

2: They’d say, “We don’t know! Its possible that there is other intelligent life out there but we don’t know as much as you think we do” and then people would go mad because they would then accuse the government of holding out on them and just denying everything, even though they may not have a single shred of evidence the will to believe is strong than the truth.

3: The government would tell you to fuck off or they’d introduce marshal law and John titors world would become a reality

I get this horrible feeling some times that certain people want to believe so bad that they ignore all evidence which compromises there beliefs, like when you talk to a fundamental Christian and they just wont budge on things even if you have made a very valid argument against them and presented firm evidence.

I have see a few examples when the official version comes on people pick every minor detail apart, and then the conspiracy version come about with reasonable doubts of the official version of events and they will then point out all the main factors supporting this (usually a lot more exciting) theory.

This isn’t what happens all the time but this is a type of belief system, you want to believe some is true so you focus on the factors, which keep you convinced.

This is just a new angle on things don’t get angry about it, I just think different perceptions lead to a fuller picture.

[ichi wa zen]

We need to unite and stop fighting over the little details of this NWO, we all seem to agree on the most important Truth about our world today:

We are being controlled by an elite group of people who have very bad intentions!

This is all we need to know to fight them, peacefully with LOVE!

[cruise4]

OK lets unite... looks around... hasn't happened. Christian zealots are still Christian zealots, Reptilian Believers are still reptilian believers, naysayers are still naysayers...ad infinitum. So what??? You are asking the impossible if you expect people to put aside their individual beliefs built up over a lifetime. Its unrealistic.

However...

Everyone IS pulling together in their own ways. And should the shtf then all these groups will be side by side.

I see it all mostly as banter bar a few cases.

The more people arguing the better off we are. And if anyone suggests otherwise lets hear their ideas on 'pulling together' thats actually an 'actionable reality'.

Because, its funny, but that last part is always mysteriously missing from these sorts of posts.

I know of activists from all walks. And I have argued during time off with many of them. So what !

There is value in many people talking to each other from various usually seperate groups. Its unification without physical violence AND exposure to a wide variety of information. This isn't normal ! When was the last 'worldwide' movement that has the potential impact of what is going on now?

[oiram]

OK lets unite... looks around... hasn't happened. Christian zealots are still Christian zealots, Reptilian Believers are still reptilian believers, naysayers are still naysayers...ad infinitum. So what??? You are asking the impossible if you expect people to put aside their individual beliefs built up over a lifetime. Its unrealistic.

However...

Everyone IS pulling together in their own ways. And should the shtf then all these groups will be side by side.
I see it all mostly as banter bar a few cases.
The more people arguing the better off we are. And if anyone suggests otherwise lets hear their ideas on 'pulling together' thats actually an 'actionable reality'.
Because, its funny, but that last part is always mysteriously missing from these sorts of posts.
I know of activists from all walks. And I have argued during time off with many of them. So what !
There is value in many people talking to each other from various usually seperate groups. Its unification without physical violence AND exposure to a wide variety of information. This isn't normal ! When was the last 'worldwide' movement that has the potential impact of what is going on now?

Originally Posted by thetonic
Very provacative information within...

..if we do not deal with our differences in opinion in a more rational and adult way, we are never going to be able to constructively combat the global elite, and the world in it's entirety will be lost to this scientific pathocracy. Our children, if they survive, will live in a world where even their thoughts will be dictated to them.

With the stakes this high, the fact that 90% of our energy is being exerted in fighting one another is utterly sickening. I am personally calling for an end to the absolutely shameful level of irresponsibility that members of this Movement are demonstrating. There is only one solution to this crisis. Firstly, we all have the same enemy and people must stop acting like children who cannot accept that someone has a slightly different viewpoint; if you are secure in your own understandings, there is absolutely no need for you to attack those that disagree with you. Second, the discussion of all subjects must be allowed to take place dispassionately; just because you do not agree with a person does not mean that you cannot discuss the issue in a respectful manner, and do not simply disregard someone based on preconceived notions. For example, you do not have to be a Christian to see that, yes, current events do seem to be playing out as they were written in the book of revelations, you do not have to be an Anti-Semite to see that Israel plays a pretty significant role in American politics, and you do not have to be an Atheist to see that religions are being used to control people in the same way they have been throughout history. The odds are, if we could discuss things without simply attacking one another, we would find that our positions are not the different. Third, do not listen to radio shows where the host spends more that 5% of his airtime attacking other members of the Truth Movement; anyone who does this is a shill or an eager idiot, and should be avoided like the plague. The last and most import thing is to always remember to never engage someone who is blatantly trying to provoke you. If you ignore purposefully incendiary remarks, COINTELPRO is left without a leg to stand on.

I hope that you will all give some serious thought to what I've said here. This is our last chance to save the human race. I say we give it our best shot.


-Andre

There are so many people all over World thinking the same way!
I am all with you guys! Any time anywhere!
I try to distribute this massage to where ever I can! This is the Key to let all the people know and to spread this all over the Internet!

[blah]

People fall for it every time. Because primarily people love to argue and be entertained at the same time! Its great entertainment for some.. making that leap from believeing something is entertaining to ...ok hold on lets do something about it is BORRRRRRRRING for most... talking about war in other countries.. Oh great entertainment! Speculating how we are being controlled! Oh how fun... Its very easy to divide and conquer because people thrive on it!!!

[dizzib]

I became enlightened last Saturday morning and thought I was one of only few, so thank goodness I've reached this site! I have some serious reading to do but already this site feels like home :)

For the record, my enlightenment happened by personal quest of knowledge for 911 and is documented here...

http://www.cantbustme.com/surf.php?q=aHR0cDovL2phc29uaG9tbWVsZm9ydW0uY29tL2Z vcnVtcy9zaG93dGhyZWFkLnBocD90PTIzNzc%3D

I hope I've done the right thing up till now but I just don't know.

I'm still very confused as to what's happening and more than a little paranoid, so I'd appreciate some help.

First question...

My birthdate is 27/05/1970
Life the universe everything is 42
Sum = 2012

I don't understand. Does anyone else get this?

Also I have sinned beyond belief. How can I repent?

Also I seemed to have lived 3 novels... The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1984, and the Matrix.

Can anyone shed any light?

Thanks,
Andy.

[dizzib]

Are we in any danger from the Illuminati?

Do they know about this site?

Why am I getting cold shivers?

This morning half way to my day job, I simply had to turn around, come home and phone in sick. How can anyone do a job with all this going on? I'm not sure I can face tomorrow. I do computer programming so how on earth can I concentrate?

Thanks for any insight.

[dizzib]

sorry I didn't mean to post on the Read This Now thread. Still finding my way around...

[dizzib]

What I've been able to figure out so far...

1. Picture of Dorian Gray -- I've lived Dorian Gray I believe my sin is lust and for this I'm deeply, deeply ashamed.

2. 1984 -- this is wierd. I think it's resisting temptation since in the novel Winston went with Julia and ended up getting killed by Big Brother. But in my reality I resisted this temptation and through that became enlightened. But I have a very broken heart.

3. Matrix -- played Neo. I program computers by day, so this kinda figures. So is our task is to awaken the sleeping? I'm very confused, please can someone help me out?

[lookfar]

Are we in any danger from the Illuminati?

Do they know about this site?

Why am I getting cold shivers?

This morning half way to my day job, I simply had to turn around, come home and phone in sick. How can anyone do a job with all this going on? I'm not sure I can face tomorrow. I do computer programming so how on earth can I concentrate?

Thanks for any insight.

Hi dizzib & welcome to the forum :)

I'm glad you've found this place as it seems you are going through some confusing times at the mo with the information you've recently discovered. I wish you all the best, but rest assured that we've all been through similar experiences, to some extent, when we finally realise that we've been lied to & manipulated for so long, it comes as quite a shock eh!

Anyway, I hope you enjoy it here. Please take some time to familarise yourself with the forum layouts, there's lots of info / forums to work your way through....

See you around...:)

[dizzib]

Thanks lookfar. Am I making a fool of myself? Am I Christ? I'm feeling very lost right now... I think I may have made some mistakes and acted too rashly.

[paganus]

Thanks lookfar. Am I making a fool of myself? Am I Christ? I'm feeling very lost right now... I think I may have made some mistakes and acted too rashly.slow down,gather your thoughts,find your center.no.your not making a fool of yourself.i think we've all been there!

[newfiesheep666]

I think we should the RECLASSIFY the NWO, they should be known henceforth as NOW WORTHLESS ORGANIZIMS.How should we deal with lifeforms?:rolleyes:

[andrewandrew]

agreed. very sound advice / ideas.

[frankanne]

Very provacative information within...

October 9, 2007 - Tuesday - 7:15 AM
Civil War is Decimating the Truth Movement

Outlaw News
October 9, 2007

I recently wrote an article about a cartoon show depicting human sacrifice at the Bohemian Grove that received widespread exposure throughout the Truth-Net. An incredible thing happened in the comments section of this article. Off the bat commenters began into rather sloppy explanations of how Jesus was the only way to stop the satanic Jews. People then began calling them Anti-Semites and Christian idiots, and very quickly this degraded into a circus, where the article was not even mentioned, and commenters simply began using the comments section as a forum to argue violently about disinformation. The Reptilian believers and the Anti-Catholics also joined in and began attacking the Christians, Atheists, and Anti-Zionists.

I wondered what a person who is just becoming familiarized with the ideas dealt with in this Movement would have thought upon reading this rambling, purposeless argument. Even if they did not determine that this entire Movement was simply a bunch of childlike, emotional people who seem to have the sole intent of insulting one another and are likely totally incapable of having even the faintest grasp on reality, I fear they would probably be significantly confused and overwhelmed by the whole maddening situation that they would completely shut down, deciding consciously or otherwise that the whole thing was too confusing for anyone to try and understand. What's worse, they may just pick a side, and join in the confusion.

Though the concept of a super-imposed Civil War being orchestrated from outside of the Movement was already clear in my mind, I was very impacted by the severity of this situation upon witnessing this hideous debacle; it hit me that this has become standard fare wherever the Truth is discussed, to the point where the Truth is no longer a point of discussion. It is plain to any objective outsider that this kind of nonsensical bickering would not naturally have evolved, anymore than a Civil War in Iraq could naturally evolve. It occurred to me that these people were all being programmed and manipulated by outside forces, in order to prevent them from ever being able to work together in any sense at all, or even communicate and share or discuss ideas dispassionately; instead, they all became viciously egotistical and terminally emotional, clearly having the singular objective of bickering for bickering's sake.

There has been a lot of back-slapping and self congratulation going around, because people are beginning to wake up at a much accelerated rate. However, as much as this may upset some of you, I see this as having much less to do with those of us in the movement having done our job properly than it does with the fact that at this stage in the game, things have become so publicly obvious that the average person has to be nearly catatonic to not see what is happening around them. Because of how blatant the entire New World Order agenda has become, the surge among our ranks should be at least triple what it has been. They have made our job incredibly easy, and thus it was necessary to make us almost completely incapable of doing it effectively.

The people orchestrating this crippling cognitive dysfunction among the movement are experiencing incredible success. Their mission to destroy any chance for unity among those dissenting against this horrific nightmare that the controllers of the world are bringing down on us is a military operation, and military tactics are being employed. It is thus that we may learn something from the externally orchestrated Civil War in Iraq.

You will find that if you survey any large group of individuals, there will be a spectrum of individual worldviews within that group. This is part of man's innate human nature, due to the fact that we are capable of exercising free thought. Naturally then, there are many people of many different mindsets within Iraq. The differences were mainly religious and ethnic. Before the invasion, people in Iraq were not torturing each others families and the streets of Baghdad were not lined with mutilated corpses every morning. In fact, despite the vast diversity of the Iraqi population, the people of Iraq worked together to maintain their society, probably better than any other Arab or Muslim country. If this unity would have been maintained, the war would have lasted a couple of months at most, and short of nuking every city in the country, US forces would have been utterly incapable of securing a foothold; if there is a unified front, it is completely impossible to win a war with a largely tribal population on their home soil, no matter what kind of futuristic weapons you may possess (see "Vietnam").

The solution to this kind of situation is obvious to someone with an instinctual ability to exploit people's natural human weaknesses. You send in special forces to attack one group and blame the attacks on another group and then you place shills in among the people, who say all the right things to the group they have been chosen to guide, and use this to lead them into battle against one another (people will follow these leaders, who claim to represent their interests, out of a tribal instinct to unify against a perceived threat – the same instinct that would have ensured a failed US campaign if it had not been exploited). We saw the bombing of the Golden Mosque by the US and allied intelligence forces and the initial killings of entire families, always done by men in black masks. The various groups are almost all being funded by the US, or at least have been at some point. Having been thusly brought under control, they can be forever played off against one another until the threat of the people being able to offer any kind of significant resistance is totally nullified. This is precisely what has happened in the Truth movement.

If things do not change, the Iraqis are never going to get their country back, and if we do not deal with our differences in opinion in a more rational and adult way, we are never going to be able to constructively combat the global elite, and the world in it's entirety will be lost to this scientific pathocracy. Our children, if they survive, will live in a world where even their thoughts will be dictated to them.

With the stakes this high, the fact that 90% of our energy is being exerted in fighting one another is utterly sickening. I am personally calling for an end to the absolutely shameful level of irresponsibility that members of this Movement are demonstrating. There is only one solution to this crisis. Firstly, we all have the same enemy and people must stop acting like children who cannot accept that someone has a slightly different viewpoint; if you are secure in your own understandings, there is absolutely no need for you to attack those that disagree with you. Second, the discussion of all subjects must be allowed to take place dispassionately; just because you do not agree with a person does not mean that you cannot discuss the issue in a respectful manner, and do not simply disregard someone based on preconceived notions. For example, you do not have to be a Christian to see that, yes, current events do seem to be playing out as they were written in the book of revelations, you do not have to be an Anti-Semite to see that Israel plays a pretty significant role in American politics, and you do not have to be an Atheist to see that religions are being used to control people in the same way they have been throughout history. The odds are, if we could discuss things without simply attacking one another, we would find that our positions are not the different. Third, do not listen to radio shows where the host spends more that 5% of his airtime attacking other members of the Truth Movement; anyone who does this is a shill or an eager idiot, and should be avoided like the plague. The last and most import thing is to always remember to never engage someone who is blatantly trying to provoke you. If you ignore purposefully incendiary remarks, COINTELPRO is left without a leg to stand on.

I hope that you will all give some serious thought to what I've said here. This is our last chance to save the human race. I say we give it our best shot.

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In my next article, I will detail the methods used to start up these conflicts, and the various ideas that people have been indoctrinated with, through the use of select facts and massive emotional and psychological exploitation.

-Andre

wonderful post. i think it should be a sticky in general forum. its lost in this hide-away.

[nessa felagund]

wonderful post. i think it should be a sticky in general forum. its lost in this hide-away.

I think it best to keep it here--general already has so many stickies already. :)

Very good article--I just read it. Thanks for that thetonic--:)

[blondina1]

Thanks for the post :)

[samkinison75]

I am just about done reading my 3rd David Icke book Children of the Matrix. The 1st I read was Tales from the Timeloop and then The newest David Icke's guide to the world conspiracy and how to end it.

So I find myself reading about how manipulated we are in the world of money and the economy etc. It all makes so much sense the more you read about it. I feel this strong urge to do something to promote this awareness and organize some unity on the matter. When you start thinking about it and you try to explain it to some people.....they just show how much they really don't care or are too afraid to care due to the brutality of such things. It does get a bit frustrating.

I can't stress enough how important it is that, unless we resist and enlighten people to this fake money system (I.E. the federal service, the world banking system) B.S. that is happening and on the brink of not only a human collapse, but a economic collapse and depression. This is especially true in America and once that goes say good by to just about everything. We will not have the resources to resist, the food to eat, the houses to live in, the cars to drive etc. It would very much be the domino effect to crush the human society in this country. George Orwell was definetly a prophet who is now rolling in his grave I am sure.

I have several friends and we are a bunch of Heavy Metal horror fanatics who as a part of what we are about are very independant and anti-religious. If there was anything close to a religion for us it would be metal, but fuck religion. We walk our own path and we all generally agree that there is definitly something wrong with religion. Maybe I will elaborate on this a sometime in the future or to those who want to know. Music is quite possibly one the greatest forms of expression that there is and that is definetly key to what I feel I am about as far as who I am etc, but it goes a lot further than that.

So I find myself telling people about how manipulated the human race has become and maybe it is just where I live which is in the mormon land.....aka Shit Lake City, but people here, most anyway simply just do not give a shit and are hardly open minded. I have tried to spead the David Icke's knowledge quite a bit and some people I know are really quite aware and interested and some just laugh it off as the lizard guy who is fucking whack, hence the lack of open mindedness I was mentioning. The thing about David Icke is that he knows that it would not be wise for everyone to accept what he says as truth and that by doing so you would be a fool. This is where it is all useful information to be applied to that which you can find sense and logic of. My goal is to promote this a lot further and for fuck sake try to wake people up a bit. It is hard to not almost sound like some religious missionary trying to spread the word of god or the mormon religion especially in the case of this so called Holy Land I call home.

So as my life goes on I am finally starting to realize who I am as a person and how limited my life has become. You realize how sheeplike people are and even so the people you know and care about. When you realize how limited your life is and how limited you are as a person, it makes you want to influence things for the better. We have to spread the word for the logical awakening that is in desperate need to happen.....especially now. It is so blatantly obvious, I feel it is due certain reasons such as people 1. too lazy to care, 2. Pessimistic that change just is impossible to happen, 3. That people don't want to change for fear of change in general, and 4. The closemindedness of people when anything comes in the vicinity of changing thought or ignorance for the same reason when it comes to change or simply ingorance as it truly is.

In my case, I still love the things that I do......METAL, Horror films, and the appreciation of knowledge, even though a lot of it can trap you into a place which is so hard to find your way out of. With knowledge of this stuff being very much in the realm of mind manipulating, drawing negative energy (in some cases depending on the perspective), sheep mentality even when such culture demands independance etc. You realize (myself anyway) how easily based on the norms how you can and are manipulated. When it comes to myself I am open minded most of the time and it sits very well with me that duality is about an illusion as there ever was. It does apply to this existence called reality, but you can manipulate the laws of duality just as well as it can manipulate you. That's my opinion anyway.

I am in the process of distributing many things which may wake people up a bit such as audio, dvd's, and other literature which you simply cannot deny as a lot of it......if you open your mind makes complete sense and becomes very logical.

Hopefully I haven't ranted too much.

[jesta_g]

Thank you very much for this thread.
AND thank all on this forum for keeping the conflict to a very bare minimum. we have all made this forum a very positive place to recieve and share information no matter the content. it really is a pleasure,everyday i really do look forward to loggin on and enjoying freedom of speech its amazing :)

[devanshoom]

the wider scope of NWO-order fighters may squabble among themselves on other forums...but as far as i can see most members on this forum are pretty open minded and reasonable people. Its a pleasure to be a member here.

good post though....very thought provoking

[jennf]

Brilliant post wish I'd found it earlier :rolleyes:, sums everything up cheers for posting thetonic :) Used to get so fed up with reading a thread with trolls infiltrating it, but for a while now I just go around them and ignore they're not worth the effort :D

[reptillianbreath]

Thaty they are not 'evil humans'

- They are cold-bloodled Reptilian hybrids.

[norfolk boy]

Yes the peace here is generally good although I have found some threads that I recoiled from, with hatred all over them - on the health topic - raw diet thread. I'm not sure why the moderators are letting it continue.

Some of the spirit of the commnets here is understandably a bit desperate. Their agenda is ever more blatant and rallying calls to 'fight them' are so tempting. We cannot fight them, their changes are to highly orchestrated. THEY WILL FAIL, even the people who have not come accross much of the info on this site will not conform to the systems they are trying to put in place, the love in humans will defeat them. Hatred, anger and greed cannot succede, we must not fall into the trap of getting into conflict.

[storm knight]

People can't help themselves, knowledge of one-self is required before engaging in conversation, knowledge of someone else is also required.

To play this game is to play defensive, they have the upperhand. We have no 'effective tactic' to ward them we must hold together.

They both have the leaders to a very extreme extent of hierachy, so cutting off the head could be good, but there is little chance of us completing this tactic.
They also control the mass thus far through leadership.

To make such gatherings simply we need leadership in some 'form' we can't do this because the enemy will just cut the head off, so instead we must join a 'common cause' like to fear god would be one.

[white horse]

Excellent OP - written over a year ago and the tactics descrbed are being used more than ever,especially at DI!

[dankai]

Wonderful thread.

[luckyjag]

well done for your post my sentiments exactly. Thats what they want us all fighting with each other. Dont play into their hands. This is to important to play games. Respect peoples points of view they wont change until they are ready to and a lot are not ready yet hopefully that wont be to long but it will lengthen the problem bickering.

[ajaydean]

i dont bother posting much these days for the very reasons youve mentioned and im sure im not alone!
when you see decent posts quickly slide into egotistical rants/slanging matches,it unfortunately has that effect and its a shame.coming into a knowledge that life isnt what you thought it was,is as im sure many people on here can remember, quite bewildering at first,not least because we observe the "norms" around us blissfully unaware and united in their ignorance (as we were) my hope was to make likeminded friends who are at least trying hard to lose the ego. thanks for that post, it certainly needed to be said

[fairyelfdog]

Thank you, Tetonic. I am not surprised at all, now how do we spread peace among the ranters? If only we had our senses tuned and could see through all this crap...

[veritasvoice]

We need to unite and stop fighting over the little details of this NWO, we all seem to agree on the most important Truth about our world today:

We are being controlled by an elite group of people who have very bad intentions!

This is all we need to know to fight them, peacefully with LOVE!

This, really.

Thanks Thetonic for posting this up, I know it comes from Andre, but it is a message that is worth passing on.

EVERYONE here can agree that EVIL PEOPLE are pushing a global agenda, yes?

Regardless of where those people come from, or their specific affiliations, they can be viewed as a fascist totalitarian collective intent on removal of integral, individual human rights to further their own goals, and preserve their own power.

I agree with ichi wa zen entirely; faced with this self-evident truth, the minute details are no longer important. What is important is that we present a united resistance...because those forces arrayed against us certainly ARE united in their conspiracy against free humanity.

As Ben Franklin once said:

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

[mntruthseeker]

This is very well written. It's something that has been running through my head even with family members.

I would say we are deffinately feeding into their energies. We can't let that happen

I know I do not chat much in these sites and that is one of the reasons, I do not want to argue over things. I struggle enough with my own thoughts

I do have a friend that has an ebook online that is helping me tremendously.

www.laurenzimmerman.com Moments of Mastery is brilliantly written and for people like me that is Not too brilliant, it fills my needs.

She is right up there with David Icke and Ron Paul that talk to my level.

Once again Thank you for your beautiful post. You are so right to the point of how we are not helping ourself with the bickering.