The sleeping lion and alchemical sex magic...

[elo_zorn]

Has anyone questioned why David seemingly refers to the "waking" masses as a sleeping lion rising from it's slumber? I'd like to make known something that really struck me when first reading this curious title...

"Coincidently", lion is a code word for the penis in many sex rituals/alchemical texts. Considering the book's title "Human Race Get Off Your Knees, The Lion Sleeps No More" and David's knowledge of the subjects that I'm refering to, I'd say there's a good chance that there's a lot more to this title than most would assume...

[heathers]

I had bad feelings about that too... not sure what....?

I certainly don't want to think David is an evil man or an insider, but I have a feeling there is something more - maybe because I don't want to believe it then I am blocking the truth out?

Interesting about phallic symbol.

In his talk in brixton he said 'you have to be on your knees to have your head in the sand' so I assume that is what he is making reference to - having our heads in the sand, and the metaphorical slave/sexual/worshipping reverberations 'on your knees' conjures.

Oh, and he also said something along the lines of 'I like to think of the real human being - our conscious beings - our previous state - as a lion'

(excuse my poor spelling please!)

[elo_zorn]

I had bad feelings about that too... not sure what....?

I certainly don't want to think David is an evil man or an insider, but I have a feeling there is something more - maybe because I don't want to believe it then I am blocking the truth out?

Interesting about phallic symbol.

In his talk in brixton he said 'you have to be on your knees to have your head in the sand' so I assume that is what he is making reference to - having our heads in the sand, and the metaphorical slave/sexual/worshipping reverberations 'on your knees' conjures.

Oh, and he also said something along the lines of 'I like to think of the real human being - our conscious beings - our previous state - as a lion'

(excuse my poor spelling please!)

Thanks for your comments heathers!

I'm not necessarily insinuating that David is evil persay...just that there appears to be much more to this title than what's admitted or being discussed. I also am not implying that alchemy, sexual alchemy or other related rituals are a bad thing on their own...it's all about what you do with it.

However, I am curious why David who's supposed to be all about honestly/openess has slipped this ritual sexual code word for penis, coupled with a popular sexual reference (on your knees) into his new book title...this isn't an overly cryptic reference and I don't think David would be the type to overlook it. Also, sex rituals certainly aren't exactly something that David speaks lightly or positively about are they? So again, why is this is his new book title...

[heathers]

The contradictory eliment of the title leaves me to wonder what is really happening too!

Maybe it is a light hearted 'we have been sucking satans dick too long!!' as I would like to think - I hope some others post here and let their thoughts be known on the title.

[beldazar]

Yes this is an interesting subject.

I keep thinking of the sphinx, didn't it once have a lions head and if so, why would they replace it with a human head? Was that due to the take-over? :confused:

Also DI has always mentioned the sun-worshippers and their use of sun symbolism, it seems like the sun really is important to us, its just been hijacked by the moon (lion being another sun symbol)
He talks about this in his book, the 'light' that creates this illusion (everything we see) and the 'light' that contains electromagnetism also coming from the sun.

I reckon that he may be using the lion symbol for the energies coming from the galatcic centre that are affecting the sun and everything else

[elo_zorn]

The contradictory eliment of the title leaves me to wonder what is really happening too!

Maybe it is a light hearted 'we have been sucking satans dick too long!!' as I would like to think - I hope some others post here and let their thoughts be known on the title.

I was wondering about that contradiction as well...hopefully some others will pipe up on the subject.

[heathers]

I agree - big lion's head with lots of 'hair' all permiating from it - all very sun-esque.
The fact that the sun supplies us with energy that affects our biological system and creates our percieved reality, and the fact that Dave suggests we are entering a new time when the sun is going to be a big player in 'waking' everyone up, light of a new age etc - this is lovely symbolisim, coupled with the 'bravery' aspect of the lion.

But is there more - the phallic aspect and the Egypitan/Ra/Sphynx

Is this purposful by our Dave? I can't see anything to do with symbolism, especially concerning a book title, would escape him?

Or are we simply reading too far into it?

[elo_zorn]

Yes this is an interesting subject.

I keep thinking of the sphinx, didn't it once have a lions head and if so, why would they replace it with a human head? Was that due to the take-over? :confused:

Also DI has always mentioned the sun-worshippers and their use of sun symbolism, it seems like the sun really is important to us, its just been hijacked by the moon (lion being another sun symbol)
He talks about this in his book, the 'light' that creates this illusion (everything we see) and the 'light' that contains electromagnetism also coming from the sun.

I reckon that he may be using the lion symbol for the energies coming from the galatcic centre that are affecting the sun and everything else

I definitely see the relation to the sun/lion symbolism as well as the "cults" that have used them. Again...why is David alligning himself with things that he preaches against?

I never even thought of the theory that Sphinx originally having the head of a Lion...much food for thought.

[beldazar]

I hadn't heard of the phallic connection before so I'm confused too

[metacomet]

The male sex organ is referred to as the "Lingam" also...

In Tantra, the penis is called the Lingam, which in Sanskrit can be translated as "Wand of Light."

[elo_zorn]

I agree - big lion's head with lots of 'hair' all permiating from it - all very sun-esque.
The fact that the sun supplies us with energy that affects our biological system and creates our percieved reality, and the fact that Dave suggests we are entering a new time when the sun is going to be a big player in 'waking' everyone up, light of a new age etc - this is lovely symbolisim, coupled with the 'bravery' aspect of the lion.

But is there more - the phallic aspect and the Egypitan/Ra/Sphynx

Is this purposful by our Dave? I can't see anything to do with symbolism, especially concerning a book title, would escape him?

Or are we simply reading too far into it?

Considering how far Icke reads into things, I'd say putting his own work under the same scrutiny is meritted or even essential...

This title makes it appear as though Icke could be covertly supporting the patriarchal Sun worship/sex rituals that he writes/presents about as negative while he openly opposes the moon, the feminine which are symbols/archetypes that seem to be much more congruent with his careers work thus far. Quite odd...

[elo_zorn]

I hadn't heard of the phallic connection before so I'm confused too

Here's a starting point for everyone who is unfamiliar with the lion-penis connection:

Sexual Alchemy-From the book Sex, Drugs and Magick

by Robert Anton Wilson

The Chariot of Antimony by Basil Val­entine (1642) contains the following typical bit of Alchemical exposition:

Let the Lion and Eagle duly prepare themselves as Prince and Princess of Alchemy - as they may be inspired. Let the Union of the Red Lion and the White Eagle be neither in cold nor in heat ... Now then conies the time when the elixir is placed in the alembic retort to be subjected to the gentle warmth.... If the Great Work be transubstantiation then the Red Lion may feed upon the flesh and blood of the God, and also let the Red Lion duly feed the White Eagle – yea, may the Mother Eagle give sustain-molt and guard the inner life.'

In general, the preceding passage is representative of the Iimpid clarity of exposition and crystalline lucid­ity of style to be found in alchemical literature. We can already see why so many Rationalist historians have concluded that the alchemists simply went off their skulls from inhaling too many narcotic and/or toxic vapors and wrote hallucinogenic gibberish.

Occultists of various schools, of course, have other ideas. They all agree that alchemical literature was written in code - because "humanity is not ready to receive certain knowledge," say the esoteric; because any alchemist who wrote clearly would bring down the wrath of the Inquisition on his head, say the more pragmatic. Unfortunately, there are a few dozen theories about what the code means. What follows is the theory that I have found most satisfactory over the years, although I am not smart enough to be absolutely sure it is the one and only correct theory.2

According to Louis T. Culling, Grandmaster of an occult lodge called the G.B.G. (short for Great Brotherhood of God), in his Manual of Sex Magick, the main terms in the code, and their translations, are as follows:

RED LION - the male Alchemist, or his penis.

WHITE EAGLE - the Alchemist's mate, or her vagina.

RETORT - the vagina and/or womb.

TRANSMUTATION - (or transubstantiation) an altered state of consciousness.

ELIXIR - the semen.3

Applying this key to Valentine's gnomic paragraph, we find that he is instructing the novice alchemist to find a suitable mate, and to take a "royal" or lofty atti­tude - i.e. he is a Prince, she a Princess, ergo they are no longer ordinary people. (cf. Tim Leary's 1960s' slo­gan, "Every man a Priest, every woman a Priestess, every home a shrine.") The union of the alchemical mates should be "neither in cold nor in heat" ---- they must be passionate, not indifferent to each other or merely cas­ual, but they must not be too damned passionate. That is, they should not gallop toward Climax in the man­ner all too typical of our culture. The sexual commun­ion, in short, should be tantric, leading to the "tran­substantiation" - a higher state of consciousness.

[maverick angel]

According to Robert Bauval and Graham Hancock, the Sphinx is probably much older than is acknowleged, probably about 10000 BCE. The head was originally a lion but was recarved due to erosion at a much later date. Go onto Paranormal TV on youtube to see the documentaries.

[seanx]

Thanks for your comments heathers!

I'm not necessarily insinuating that David is evil persay...just that there appears to be much more to this title than what's admitted or being discussed. I also am not implying that alchemy, sexual alchemy or other related rituals are a bad thing on their own...it's all about what you do with it.

However, I am curious why David who's supposed to be all about honestly/openess has slipped this ritual sexual code word for penis, coupled with a popular sexual reference (on your knees) into his new book title...this isn't an overly cryptic reference and I don't think David would be the type to overlook it. Also, sex rituals certainly aren't exactly something that David speaks lightly or positively about are they? So again, why is this is his new book title...

Where did you get the idea that sex rituals are inherently evil?

Performed with the right intention and in a high state of consciousness, sex rites
can be a positive power for good.

However, you are also right: used with a negative intent, they can be higly
destructive.

Good post though. You pose some very good questions.

[cosmo1]

Or perhaps it just means what it says...

[elo_zorn]

Where did you get the idea that sex rituals are inherently evil?

I was only referring to David speaking and writing about sex rituals as a negative thing...which I disagree with whole heartedly. In fact, a few posts back I said:


I also am not implying that alchemy, sexual alchemy or other related rituals are a bad thing on their own...it's all about what you do with it.

...and still, what is with this dichotomy of a title that seems to be in support of what Icke is supposed to be against (the lion representing patriarchy, sun cult symbolism and a sex ritual code word etc.), and against what is more closely aligned with his supposed beliefs (the moon representing matriarchy, the goddess etc.)?

Very odd...


Originally posted by cosmo1
Or perhaps it just means what it says...

Ok I'll bite...

The first part (human race get off your knees) is fairly self explanatory if you only take it literally (conquering subservience), but what would the second aspect of the title (the lion sleeps no more) mean if we were to take it at face value as well? Why is Icke referring to humanity as a waking lion? Surely there's a reason for the specific selection of that animal...even if you only take it literally.

[elirien]

Just some questions if you like to answer:

1. Since when did sex became a bad thing?

2. Since when is sex popularly done on knees?

3. Since when is the sun evil?

Did we miss a meeting so to speak :D

[elo_zorn]

Just some questions if you like to answer:

1. Since when did sex became a bad thing?

2. Since when is sex popularly done on knees?

3. Since when is the sun evil?

Did we miss a meeting so to speak :D

No missed meeting, although it does seem as though you missed reading my posts hahaha...for the third time now: I never said sex or sex ritual were bad! That's Icke's rap-which is part of my point here.

Secondly-have you not heard of fellatio? Oral sex? Giving head? This is where the on your knees part comes into play...on it's own, perhaps this could be a reference to overcoming subservience but the lion aspect adds weight to this being sexual in nature due to lion being a code word for penis in alchemical sex ritual texts.

Thirdly-the sun is not evil and I did not insinuate or say that it was...but Mr.Icke's work on the other hand, is peppered with quite a bit of info on these so called "evil" sun cults. Since he obviously has an eye for detail, and hidden meaning/symbolism etc, I doubt this sun/sex symbolism and reference would have slipped passed him when naming his new book. I question this...and rightfully so.

[elirien]

No missed meeting, although it does seem as though you missed reading my posts hahaha...for the third time now: I never said sex or sex ritual were bad! That's Icke's rap-which is part of my point here.

Oh ok :D Some posters were kind of threatened by it :D It can happen :D


Secondly-have you not heard of fellatio? Oral sex? Giving head? This is where the on your knees part comes into play...on it's own, perhaps this could be a reference to overcoming subservience but the lion aspect adds weight to this being sexual in nature due to lion being a code word for penis in alchemical sex ritual texts.

True we've heard that although we miss the point in those ritual behaviors. It would be better to see someones face but perhaps that is just us :D

On the alchemical aspect, everything is sexual energy if you want to talk about it referencing the body or the root chakra as the subject. It is the fire that transmutes. So yes you could see the lion as that. You could even see your body as that and even a cup of coffee as that. Very good.

In archetypal language the sun could be symbolized as the penis but the moon is not the feminine, earth is feminine. One loves more and the other loves better.


Thirdly-the sun is not evil and I did not insinuate or say that it was...but Mr.Icke's work on the other hand, is peppered with quite a bit of info on these so called "evil" sun cults. Since he obviously has an eye for detail, and hidden meaning/symbolism etc, I doubt this sun/sex symbolism and reference would have slipped passed him when naming his new book. I question this...and rightfully so.

That's the thing we find curious as well. Since the body and almost everything perceived is light and all that we eat and drink is distortions of the light of the sun what's the whole deal about Sun worship? Everyone does it every day although no one does say God is the sun (at least). The Ancient Egyptians perhaps said something similar to that so that even the laymen the farmer could have an interest besides eating and procreating. Not necessary for today of course but if you look with the same mentality today at descriptions of the past that is what is going to happen. Quite natural.

We guess conspiracy researchers like to "make" big deals out of no-thing :D

It's the sun and a penis :D Every one has seen them :D We could delve in the feelings of puberty when it all was mysterious and perhaps frightening but why do that :D

[ufochick]

The title comes from a poem at the front of the book... no more no less... not everything is a conspiracy..

[beldazar]

The title comes from a poem at the front of the book... no more no less... not everything is a conspiracy..

Oh yes, I had forgotten that, lol.

Ah well, nowt wrong with deep thinkers :D

[subl1minal]

:rolleyes: - to this thread.

I use to throw up the horn sign at rock gigs and in photos, does that make me a Mason?... jeez. It seems you can't do anything or say anything without it being connected to some ritual practice or other symbolic meanings.

[beldazar]

:rolleyes: - to this thread.

I use to throw up the horn sign at rock gigs and in photos, does that make me a Mason?... jeez. It seems you can't do anything or say anything without it being connected to some ritual practice or other symbolic meanings.

And I have flicked my 'v's and poked my tongue out many times :D

(so that's why prince charles waved at me! :eek:)

[seanx]

No missed meeting, although it does seem as though you missed reading my posts hahaha...for the third time now: I never said sex or sex ritual were bad! That's Icke's rap-which is part of my point here.
.

That's incorrect.

It is how this energy is negatively DISTROTED and abused during sex rituals that he regards, rightly as horribly negative.

[seanx]

The title comes from a poem at the front of the book... no more no less... not everything is a conspiracy..

Very true.

[elo_zorn]

That's incorrect.

It is how this energy is negatively DISTROTED and abused during sex rituals that he regards, rightly as horribly negative.

Please find me one single example of Icke talking about sex ritual in a positive manner...if I've missed something, I'll stand corrected but I doubt you'll find anything.

Originally Posted by ufochick
The title comes from a poem at the front of the book... no more no less... not everything is a conspiracy..

Is the poem by David, or another author? I'd be interested in reading.

Even if it's not his poem, the other author could have been referencing the same thing and Dave still chose the title...I'm not sure why you think a poem containing the title would eliminate the chance for an underlying meaning...that's not exactly strong logic.

I agree wholeheartedly that not everything is a "conspiracy", which is one of the reasons I post here...there is so much that Icke writes off as an evil conspiracy, when this is not always the case. Again, shouldn't his work be put under the same microscope that he puts everything and everybody under?

:rolleyes: - to this thread.

I use to throw up the horn sign at rock gigs and in photos, does that make me a Mason?... jeez. It seems you can't do anything or say anything without it being connected to some ritual practice or other symbolic meanings.

Oh and Icke has never highlighted anyone giving the devil horns...hahaha...

Mr.Icke seems to have quite a defense team...it's too bad the team doesn't want to apply the scrutiny to him as he does to the world we live in...

[dawnbreak]

In agreement with above poster.

I was also curious about the book image & title. Lions are mentioned as key symbology by Mr Icke so seems a bit weird choosing it.

Lions feature heavily in masonic rituals, in particular the 3rd degree inituation as pointed out by Mr Icke in 'The biggest secret' {page 90}.

He obviously knows this, so weird choice of cover, but hey ho, each to their own.

[beldazar]

Rise Like Lions

Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you-
Ye are many — they are few

http://www.online-literature.com/shelley_percy/


Selected verses from The Mask of Anarchy by Percy Bysshe Shelley written after the Peterloo massacrecarried out by the government in Manchester in 1869 against people who had gathered to demand the reform of parliamentary representation
(typed in David Ickes new book not including the link)


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Mr.Icke seems to have quite a defense team...it's too bad the team doesn't want to apply the scrutiny to him as he does to the world we live in...

Know where you are coming from now don't we? :rolleyes:

[elo_zorn]

Rise Like Lions

Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you-
Ye are many — they are few

http://www.online-literature.com/shelley_percy/


Selected verses from The Mask of Anarchy by Percy Bysshe Shelley written after the Peterloo massacrecarried out by the government in Manchester in 1869 against people who had gathered to demand the reform of parliamentary representation
(typed in David Ickes new book not including the link)

Thanks!

So Icke was influenced by this poem...definitely doesn't answer my questions on the title though as it is still an original composition on Icke's part other than the inspirational aspect from this poem. Like dawnbreak just mentioned, Icke has consistently spoke against sun cults and other supposedly evil secret societies which the lion is a common symbol within...why out of all things he could have used as an analogy/metaphor did he choose something he's normally against? How could he overlook this? And the sexually charged "off your knees" certainly doesn't help the matter considering the lions underlying alchemical meaning.

Also, let's also consider the amount of other symbols/artwork Icke has on all his books, advertisements, website etc...it's ALL supposed Illuminati related stuff. Doesn't he speak about the power these symbols hold and how our supposed controllers use them to influence us in different ways? So what, does his stuff have some sort of safeguard against this? The subtle and not so subtle contradictions of this guy are piling quite high...isn't that supposed to be the Illuminati's game? Reversing everything as part of their alleged control system and hiding things right in front of your face?

Know where you are coming from now don't we? :rolleyes:

Not sure what you mean by this?

[dawnbreak]

Is it really from Shelley?

That doesn't help explain anything, big 'doh' homer simpson moment.

Shelley's quite famous for being tied into secret socities and hidden knowledge ..etc.

I'm not suggesting that makes Mr Icke anything other than Kosher, just find it weird as he is bound to have known readers will make that connection?

We all love a good mystery/conspiracy though :D

[arch]

Whether one is aware of it or not, everything conspires due to the attraction principle. Consciously or unconsciously, we author our entire reality. There is no such thing as a coincidence.

"Better to live a day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep." - Mussolini

Lion - Lie on (city of light) - Zion

Million (mill) - Billion (bill) - Trillion (thrill)

[ladygoogoo]

I don't see any dangerous lion symbolism here. Lion as symbol is of a great magnificent beast, top of the food chain that is very powerful and
frightening to humans and its prey.

I feel it is DI's way of just reminding us of our true majesty and true unbridled power that if we don't use it we have fallen asleep at the wheel and he
is trying to blast the horn and say HELLLLLO WAKE THE EF UP!

Sleeping lions very vulnerable. Awake lions fearsome animals
that need a gun or long spear to stop.

[elo_zorn]

I don't see any dangerous lion symbolism here. Lion as symbol is of a great magnificent beast, top of the food chain that is very powerful and
frightening to humans and its prey.

I feel it is DI's way of just reminding us of our true majesty and true unbridled power that if we don't use it we have fallen asleep at the wheel and he
is trying to blast the horn and say HELLLLLO WAKE THE EF UP!

Sleeping lions very vulnerable. Awake lions fearsome animals
that need a gun or long spear to stop.

I don't have a problem with lion symbolism either, but Icke does. Which is part of why I'm questioning the title...how many times do I need to repeat that I am not against lion symbolism or sex ritual?! This is like 4 or 5 times now.

Icke speaks against these things (sex ritual, sun cult/masonic symbolism etc), so I question why they are elements of his book title. Hopefully I've cleared that up now...hahaha...

[seanx]

Rise Like Lions

Know where you are coming from now don't we? :rolleyes:

Very true. Thought the poster was geniune in his original question -
but is really just looking for any old thing to discredit icke.

Just the ususal, old, close-minded anti-icke posters who come here, with
their minds already made up

[seanx]

I don't have a problem with lion symbolism either, but Icke does. Which is part of why I'm questioning the title...how many times do I need to repeat that I am not against lion symbolism or sex ritual?! This is like 4 or 5 times now.

Icke speaks against these things (sex ritual, sun cult/masonic symbolism etc), so I question why they are elements of his book title. Hopefully I've cleared that up now...hahaha...

No, he doesn't mate.

Read more carefully.

You are complaining about people misrepresenting you - while you are
doing the same thing.

icke speaks against THE ABUSE of SEXUAL ENERGY in these sexual rituals.

That is a completely different thing.

As for symbols - they are what you make of them.

For me the LION represents power, energy, force, a hugh potential
magnificence waiting to be released.

is this the idea wants to get across - or maybe the cover isn't even icke's.

it may have been the artist's creation which icke choose as ideal
for his book.

What does the symbol represent to you? That will tell you more
about yourself.

[seanx]

I don't see any dangerous lion symbolism here. Lion as symbol is of a great magnificent beast, top of the food chain that is very powerful and
frightening to humans and its prey.

I feel it is DI's way of just reminding us of our true majesty and true unbridled power that if we don't use it we have fallen asleep at the wheel and he
is trying to blast the horn and say HELLLLLO WAKE THE EF UP!

Sleeping lions very vulnerable. Awake lions fearsome animals
that need a gun or long spear to stop.

I agree. That's what occured to me when I saw it.

[cosmo1]

The title comes from a poem at the front of the book... no more no less... not everything is a conspiracy..

Exackerly :D

[gutcassidy]

Please find me one single example of Icke talking about sex ritual in a positive manner...if I've missed something, I'll stand corrected but I doubt you'll find anything.

Off the top of my head I recall Icke saying positive sexual energy aroused during the act can be one of the main catalysts for breaking through the 'eggshell'... Or something vaguely along those lines.

I remember this because It was something I experienced not long after reading it making me think- Icke you beautiful son of a bitch your right!

I'll have a peruse now and try and find the proper quote.

[beldazar]

Off the top of my head I recall Icke saying positive sexual energy aroused during the act can be one of the main catalysts for breaking through the 'eggshell'... Or something vaguely along those lines.

I remember this because It was something I experienced not long after reading it making me think- Icke you beautiful son of a bitch your right!

I'll have a peruse now and try and find the proper quote.

Well I think DI has sort of changed his mind about that. In his book Truth Vibrations he mentions the importance of sex, the loving kind. In his latest he says its 'food for the moon' To me it makes sense as it is based on 5 sense pleasures which keep us focused on the illusion. He does mention that there is nothing wrong with it (done in the right way I presume) and says that it's one of the reasons that consciousness decides to have a physical form (or words to that effect)

[gutcassidy]

From 'The Biggest Secret', Chapter 5:
This is where the manipulation of sex comes in. The three lowest chakras are the base, the sexual chakra just above that, and then the chakra connected to our emotional level in the solar plexus. It is this chakra which stimulates the ‘butterflies’ and ‘nervous stomachs’ when we are worried or stressed. So the Christian and ‘moral’ attitudes to sex close down the base chakra and what energy it does absorb is thrown into turmoil when it hits the sexual and emotional chakras because of all the fear and guilt surrounding the subject. This imbalances and diminishes the entire human energy consciousness field.



Most Christian clerics have no idea that this is so, but those who have controlled Christianity and the Roman Church certainly do, because they are in the knowledge stream that has been suppressed in the general population. Each generation has been conditioned to think the Christian way about sex, whether consciously or subconsciously, and they in turn have helped to condition the next generation to think the same. But sex is wonderful. It is to be enjoyed.



The ability to express your love physically for another human being is an incredible gift. I don’t care what your sexuality may be. Love is love is love. Let’s express it. If Augustine or the Pope want to tie a knot in theirs, fair enough, everyone to their own, as long as they don’t tell me how to live my life.


In the East, Asia and China, they have retained the understanding of the power of sexual energy over thousands of years and this knowledge has been practiced in the West in the secret societies and Satanic rituals. Once again the sexual energy is just that, energy, and can be used to create or destroy. In the Eastern religions, the conscious creation and stimulation of sexual energy is known as Tantra. Sexual intercourse is seen, quite rightly, as the union and balance of the male and female, the yang (male) and yin (female).



The idea of Tantric sex is to stimulate the sexual energy held in the base of the spine, the Kundalini energy as it has become known. This was symbolized as uncurling serpents and in Tantra the participants control and delay orgasm to transform the kundalini from its original state (ching) into the higher energy (ch’i) and finally its highest expression (shen). This is done by raising the energy up the spine and down again until it has reached a vibratory state that can reconnect the person with the cosmos. By the end of this book you will see the importance of this and its scientific basis.



When the kundalini explodes into your energy field as it did with me in 1990-91, it can blow you away mentally, emotionally and spiritually, sometimes physically too, until you have mastered its power. Stimulating the kundalini is described as ‘lighting the inner fire’. Mine wasn’t a fire, it was a nuclear strike! Tantra is designed to complete this process in a more controlled way, but sometimes the uncontrolled way offers a more extreme and enlightening experience. Once the Kundalini is awakened, you have a constant supply of enormously powerful energy with which to create whatever you choose.



The Satanists use sex as a fundamental part of their ritual so they can tap this sexual, kundalini force, for their horrendous purposes. But it can equally be used to set us free and hence the Christian obsession with making sex into a dirty, immoral, guilt-ridden experience which suppresses or imbalances the kundalini energy and delinks the person from their cosmic levels of self.

This wasn't what I was looking for but is some good info anyway. I'll have another look a bit later and see if i can find the actual quote i was thinking of.

[darryl84]

I dont think david was referring to a penis when he thought of a lion, but maybe im wrong...

[skyver]

Well I thought the opposite when I saw the Lion picture & the phrase he used in the title. Symbols for example mean Different things to people/cultures & I felt a feeling of "wow" when I saw the picture. Back in the 90's I was doing strong acid & went over to the mirror & I saw my face morph into elements of a lion, like a lion was superimposed or blended with my face, I turn around & one of the guys trippin goes "fucking hell, how are you doing that". He saw my face change back & he described exactly the same thing as in my face had turned into a lions. This happened twice the next time was years later when I met my partner (I'm still with her now).

A freind of mine was getting similar things but to do with lucifer :eek:
But the lion thing stayed with me, I think about it even now, so like I say above, I saw it was confirming something, although I'm not sure what. Also some people view the lion as strength. The rasta's use it as a symbol as do other cultures.

[mrflible]

The main argument againt looking into occult symbolism is that nearly everything can be turned around to be something based on the occult. Kinda ironically its happening here.

The thing about 'the lion sleeps no more' title is that it can mean both a symbolic uprising of humanity, or a penis sex magick thing.
The point I would like to raise (no pun!) is that its not the symbol itself but how its used or why it is there, so it can ether be a rebellious clear symbolic title or a cheeky little penis symbol... given Davids subject matter I wouldnt bet on the latter.

[elirien]

The main argument againt looking into occult symbolism is that nearly everything can be turned around to be something based on the occult. Kinda ironically its happening here.


Yes, that's the whole point. Anything can be covered made into some thing "secret" and "mysterious".

If we would write in Turkish for example and threw in some English words to get readers hooked some one would ravage Google Translate :D


Hiç bir şey gizemli değil özellikle de David Icke söz konusu olduğunda :D

Very occult. We have given the secrets of all secrets.

[mrflible]

Hiç bir ?ey gizemli de?il özellikle de David Icke söz konusu oldu?unda :D

Very occult. We have given the secrets of all secrets.

Heh that GORILLA199 would have a field day with all that freemasonic symbolism in your reply!