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flutter

13-05-2010, 10:21 PM

I respectfully disagree; I do not feel that his moon assertions make him a con man, not in the slightest.

Though I have not read the new book, I did listen to an interview in which he mentions the moon matrix, and he bases it on a lot of information - in the book, Who Built the Moon (which he cites as a source in the interview), the authors present a lot of interesting information about the moon, so I can easily see his position on the moon matrix. I read the Who Built the Moon book and found the info very interesting, there is a lot about the moon that leads one to wonder.

Can it be proven beyond a doubt? Of course not, no more so that it can be proven to not be true beyond a doubt. I find it very intriguing information, and see what he has a good basis for his moon matrix claims.

Con man? I don't think he is a con man by any means.

camreeno

13-05-2010, 10:33 PM

Wow, you completed convinced me. Very compelling arguments. :confused:

planet murderer

13-05-2010, 10:41 PM

prove it

There is a naked man orbiting around Jupiter and smoking weed. Prove me wrong..

moondancer

13-05-2010, 10:44 PM

There is a naked man orbiting around Jupiter and smoking weed. Prove me wrong..

whhhhhy hellllllllo space cowboy :p

(not you, i mean the naked fella gettin stoned)

subl1minal

13-05-2010, 10:44 PM

the moon?

ets are NOT manipulating us at all.

There is ZERO evidence of this.
This man is a con man

Where's your info, just saying it isn't enough..

planet murderer

13-05-2010, 10:48 PM

Where's your info, just saying it isn't enough..

Isn't that exactly what David Icke is doing?

subl1minal

13-05-2010, 11:01 PM

Isn't that exactly what David Icke is doing?

Have you read one of his books? :rolleyes:

I could call anyone a Con man, but until I have some solid info to back it up, what's the point in me saying it?

beldazar

13-05-2010, 11:02 PM

Wow, you completed convinced me. Very compelling arguments. :confused:

LMAO!!!

Suggestion...read his new book! :rolleyes:

beldazar

13-05-2010, 11:03 PM

Isn't that exactly what David Icke is doing?

Nope! He explains it all with plenty of evidence to back it up!

pound

13-05-2010, 11:08 PM

the moon?

ets are NOT manipulating us at all.

There is ZERO evidence of this.
This man is a con man

You have ZERO evidence for your claim.

thirdwave

13-05-2010, 11:12 PM

the moon?

ets are NOT manipulating us at all.

There is ZERO evidence of this.
This man is a con man

I have not read the book yet, but someone is only a con man if they are stating "facts" that are not true...

where has David said it was a fact?

So far I have heard him express how he thinks it is and his reasons for thinking so.. with a few interesting bits of info to support his conclusion...

one can take or leave the idea..

I am not totaly convinced (though i am yet to read the book) But I don't feel I have a gun to my head making me believe the moon is constructed..

Do you know how the moon got there?, as you seem to be also stating a claim.

planet murderer

13-05-2010, 11:28 PM

Have you read one of his books? :rolleyes:

I could call anyone a Con man, but until I have some solid info to back it up, what's the point in me saying it?
Whats the point of calling a man who don't claim anything for a conman?
David Icke comes with extra ordinary claims... And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Any (con)man can write books claiming this and that and have no evidence to support the claims. Why should i believe him?

Nope! He explains it all with plenty of evidence to back it up!
Can you show me some of the evidences or tell me where to look etc?
I heard some say he got NO evidence or nothing.

thirdwave

13-05-2010, 11:31 PM

Why should i believe him?

That's up to you to decide...

No gun to your head..

subl1minal

13-05-2010, 11:39 PM

loublaze3

13-05-2010, 11:45 PM

Where can I read his books for free? Im a poor student

ickedelik

13-05-2010, 11:52 PM

ickedelik

13-05-2010, 11:53 PM

the book, human race get off your knees, has barely made it to all the people who have purchased it through the pre-orders.
so i doubt u can find a free ebook version of it when many of the people who paid for it havent recieved theres yet.

tracker

13-05-2010, 11:53 PM

the moon?

ets are NOT manipulating us at all.

There is ZERO evidence of this.
This man is a con man

Yes , prove to me that ETs are not manipulating us !

I can tell you one thing .

Our ancient ancestors told us about beings from the sky/stars .

However today's society believes their scientists and religious folks as well as the "TV" that Ets have not visited earth .

BUT , why is there conflict on this matter ?

I will tell you why .

because our ancient ancestors did not have an invested interest on tricking me , they took many years building monuments and even whole cities that portrayed those stories , in those days , I do not believe there was a word for "LIE".
But today's society ?
Now they have an invested interest to trick you in to what they believe and the only evidence they can ever supply , is the lack of evidence to prove their wacko stories .
thus , todays most brilliant minds take on a fantastic notion , that no proof = proof .

Also , those civilisations slogged their life away trying to warn us and tell us of these beings and what was to become of earth in these days that we live in

but guess what ?
The very system and those you have trusted and based your opinion on , are the very ones who recked and trashed all that knowledge , they have for thousands of years suppressed that knowledge from us and it has taken many lives getting this information out to us . People have been ridiculed , expelled , outcast etc to get that knowledge .

why ?

Because those who stole and hid that knowledge , have got YOU by the balls , and as long as they do , we will keep living in a world where people kill people , adults kill children in wars and man kind remains as a slave to the PTB .
those who keep us tied down through the lack of knowledge , because they believe , that you only need to know what they tell you . and you don't need to know .

Are you going to keep a simple mind for the rest of your life ?
or are you going to find this knowledge for your self ?

AtleastDavid Icke does NOT require you to believe him

as where all the elite insist you trust them , whilst they hold a gun to your head .

verndewd

14-05-2010, 02:59 AM

There is a naked man orbiting around Jupiter and smoking weed. Prove me wrong..

quite a feat for a radiation soaked vacuum, proof speaks for itself on that one.

iwant_tobreak_free

14-05-2010, 03:30 AM

I have not read the book yet, but someone is only a con man if they are stating "facts" that are not true...

where has David said it was a fact?

So far I have heard him express how he thinks it is and his reasons for thinking so.. with a few interesting bits of info to support his conclusion...

one can take or leave the idea..

I am not totaly convinced (though i am yet to read the book) But I don't feel I have a gun to my head making me believe the moon is constructed..

Do you know how the moon got there?, as you seem to be also stating a claim.

Well If Ickes not saying its true then we might as well put it in the fiction section of waterstones..

well how did all of jupiter's moons get there? or mars' moon? perhaps aliens put them there too.

or maybe those reptilian shapeshifting monsters from another dimension put them there. Or the computer programmer running the universe did it.

Oh and on another point, if all life used to feed from the sun in the olden days like ive heard icke mention before, whats the use of canine teeth??

iwant_tobreak_free

14-05-2010, 03:34 AM

the moon itself is artificial.

look up the proportions of the moon compared to the size of our planet, the moon physically should be a different size to be a naturally formed satelite.

also why is it that if you strike the moon, it rings like a bell does?

a hollow moon does not imply aliens put it there to control the earth, if the universe is artificially created in a computer program then distance, depth, range has no meaning. it is simply relative from our own perceptions. there would be no need and most definetly no reason whatsoever for it to be there.

yes the moon could be hollow..but Ickes interpretation sucks, and it shows the levels the conspiracy community has sunk to to get something to banter about.

phemohilia

14-05-2010, 03:41 AM

Rant Room

verndewd

14-05-2010, 03:50 AM

Rant Room

+1^

kappy0405

14-05-2010, 03:56 AM

Rant Room

sh3lly

14-05-2010, 04:34 AM

Where can I read his books for free? Im a poor student

go to youtube or google video and watch some videos. there are lots of them available for free over the internet and they will give you a great idea of his views with evidence.

sh3lly

14-05-2010, 04:38 AM

also, I have had some personal revelations about the moon and this was before I even heard of the moon matrix part of the book. when I read about it being a part of the new book, my jaw dropped. so for me, I have had confirmation. I do not know exactly how it all works, but I do feel the moon influences us (especially females) in dark ways. and I am not sure it is all dark, but it is covert, and that should piss us all off in itself.

verndewd

14-05-2010, 05:10 AM

ozpixie

14-05-2010, 05:41 AM

+1^
+2

i_am

14-05-2010, 05:47 AM

Rant Room

Well initially I agreed on that, however, I have been reading some of the OPs posts.

Wow!!'

Some pretty wild statements there, with no evidence to back them up ;)

so I am leaving this here for now but removing the derogatory statement from the title. That could change at any time though :)

margueritebee

14-05-2010, 06:14 AM

ozpixie

14-05-2010, 06:26 AM

It's okay if you don't believe him, really, it's okay.

Actually, its one of the few true freedoms we DO have :)

beldazar

14-05-2010, 07:12 AM

Whats the point of calling a man who don't claim anything for a conman?
David Icke comes with extra ordinary claims... And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Any (con)man can write books claiming this and that and have no evidence to support the claims. Why should i believe him?

Can you show me some of the evidences or tell me where to look etc?
I heard some say he got NO evidence or nothing.

He has done at least 5 interviews lately talking of the moon matrix, they are posted in this very forum (or see below)

Read his bloody book and find out for yourself. :rolleyes:

Where can I read his books for free? Im a poor student

Listen to his videos posted on this forum for free and I'm sure there will be an online book in the near future, or better still, ask the local library to get it in for you to borrow. It may mean waiting a bit.

go to youtube or google video and watch some videos. there are lots of them available for free over the internet and they will give you a great idea of his views with evidence.

Yep! Google is pretty useful sometimes :D

jackson82

14-05-2010, 09:26 AM

the moon itself is artificial.

look up the proportions of the moon compared to the size of our planet, the moon physically should be a different size to be a naturally formed satelite.

also why is it that if you strike the moon, it rings like a bell does?

Where does this idea come from, what is used to strike it and so on? Who has done it, and when? Why should the moon be a different size? :confused:

21_12_2012

14-05-2010, 09:31 AM

Where does this idea come from, what is used to strike it and so on? Who has done it, and when? Why should the moon be a different size? :confused:

http://www.onelight.com/thei/hollowmoon.html

jackson82

14-05-2010, 09:40 AM

Ok thanks,:) maybe it is partially hollow, or the way the rocks are formed give it a certain resonance. I reckon we need a little more proof yet. :)

21_12_2012

14-05-2010, 09:56 AM

Also, the analysis of moon rocks has shown some rocks to be older than earth, and at least as old if not older than our solar system.

Here's a quick link i found, there will be better links:-
http://www.mysterymag.com/theunexplained/?page=article&subID=101&artID=181

j35p3r4d0

14-05-2010, 10:35 AM

ets are NOT manipulating us at all.

There is ZERO evidence of this.

coincidentally, my real name is Ronald Regan.

REGAN SMASH!

dawnbreak

14-05-2010, 11:53 AM

Well initially I agreed on that, however, I have been reading some of the OPs posts.

Wow!!'

Some pretty wild statements there, with no evidence to back them up ;)

so I am leaving this here for now but removing the derogatory statement from the title. That could change at any time though :)

It now reads 'David Icke is exposing himself' :eek::eek:

I thought this thread was about something entirely different ;)

jensen

14-05-2010, 12:12 PM

I think many ppl inhere should atleast consider that they have fallen for a smokescreen with all this ufo,et tech,matrixes and so on. Even david icke could be nwo! You must admit he has succeded in confusing alot off ppl ! Seems too me that the only thing about all these things that jumps at u is the disturbing lack off any proof. Its always take someones word that this and that is true,or feel it inside yourself. Maby cause they are all smokescreens :confused: Im not saying that i know any better than others, it just seems like the only (so called conspiracy theory) u can prove is that the world IS being controlled by secret societies. Research illuminati,rothchilds,bilderberg grp and bohemian grove. Research (the cremation off care ritual) they do there. YOUR PRESIDENTS AND LEADERS OFF STATE from all over the world. Research why priests all over the world is rapeing and beating childeren. All easy too find and research AND PROVE !. but dont fall for ets,ufos and matrixes. PLZ Im not telling u im beggin u on my knees. while we sit here discussing what who said before,what ufo crashed where,and what matrix is controlling shit today. These ppl,companyes,societies,goverments are gettin away with raising lvls off poisons in our air,water,food supply. brainwashing your kids to be consumers from birth and destroying our one and only planet in the name off satan and MONEY. THINK LOOK SMELL EVEN. BUT DONT BELIVE ANYTHING

starshine

14-05-2010, 12:54 PM

Folks this is a usual Ickebash thread as per usual.
Hey that guy always claims someone is a liar or a conman but let him speak a bit up for I need to hear more of his waffle.

jensen

14-05-2010, 01:13 PM

Folks this is a usual Ickebash thread as per usual.
Hey that guy always claims someone is a liar or a conman but let him speak a bit up for I need to hear more of his waffle.

So no one can bash icke a bit ?? We should just belive without question ? hes a big boy and i think he can take it..

starshine

14-05-2010, 01:31 PM

I would call Icke a Big Man instead of a boy but these threads are basically bashing him in reality.
Hey why not the OP write a book on the Moon and see if he would get some interest which I do not think would happen.

i_am

14-05-2010, 01:34 PM

It now reads 'David Icke is exposing himself' :eek::eek:

I thought this thread was about something entirely different ;)

PMSL

better fix that eh?

thirdwave

14-05-2010, 01:37 PM

the moon itself is artificial.

look up the proportions of the moon compared to the size of our planet, the moon physically should be a different size to be a naturally formed satelite.

also why is it that if you strike the moon, it rings like a bell does?

what do you mean?

when does the mood ring?, and why does the moon need to be different size to be natural (not read book yet)

flutter

14-05-2010, 02:25 PM

when does the mood ring?,

For example when Apollo 12 and 13 had items hit the moon, Mission Control noted the seismometer's reaction (the ringing is relating to the shock waves, not a sound (I confess that's what I initially thought, I thought the authors of a book I am reading were trying to pull the wool over readers' eyes with that claim since there is no sound on the moon, then I realized they were referring to the shockwaves, not anything audible ... I felt rather silly :blush: )

http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/pg15.htm

Back in November 1969, the Apollo 12 astronauts had sent their Lunar Module crash- ing into the Moon following their return to the command craft after the lunar landing mission. That Lunar Module struck with a force of one ton of TNT. The shock waves built up to a peak in eight minutes and con- tinued for nearly an hour.

The seismic signals produced by the impact of s-IVB were 20 to 30 times greater and four times longer than those resulting from the LM crash. Peak intensity occurred in 7 minutes.

The information from these two artificial moonquakes led to reconsideration of theories proposed about the lunar interior. Among puzzling features are the rapid build- up to the peak and the prolonged reverbera- tions. Nothing comparable happens when objects strike Earth.

One theory is that the signal is scattered and repropagated in very deep rubble. An- other holds that the velocities of seismic waves from these impacts are comparable to meas- urements of velocities in crystalline rock. So the crystalline material which the astronauts found so abundant on the Moon's surface may extend very deep into the Moon.

Houston reported the lunar impact of the S-IVB to the spacecraft:

CAPCOMN--By the way, Aquarius, we see the results now from 12's seismometer. Looks like your booster just hit the Moon, and it's rocking a little bit.

There was note of it with Apollo 17 as well.

I chose the above site to cite because it's not conspiracy theory based; a lot of the sites that use the "rang like a bell" phrase are a bit bias, but the above shows that they're referring to from an unbiased (I hope anyway) source.

jackson82

14-05-2010, 02:48 PM

what do you mean?

when does the mood ring?, and why does the moon need to be different size to be natural (not read book yet)

I'm wondering the same thing. What size should it be to fit in as a natural moon?

But I think someone said the moon rings when hit by stuff. Proof is thin on the ground here me thinks.

jackson82

14-05-2010, 02:53 PM

For example when Apollo 12 and 13 had items hit the moon, Mission Control noted the seismometer's reaction (the ringing is relating to the shock waves, not a sound (I confess that's what I initially thought, I thought the authors of a book I am reading were trying to pull the wool over readers' eyes with that claim since there is no sound on the moon, then I realized they were referring to the shockwaves, not anything audible ... I felt rather silly :blush: )

There was note of it with Apollo 17 as well.

I chose the above site to cite because it's not conspiracy theory based; a lot of the sites that use the "rang like a bell" phrase are a bit bias, but the above shows that they're referring to from an unbiased (I hope anyway) source.

Crystalline structure might account for the resonance and not hollow at all. :)

Did shit from A13 hit the moon, I thought they had a problem on route. :)

the perfect one

14-05-2010, 03:15 PM

Can anyone give me a brief run down on Ickes theory and how he came to this theory? I'm not buying the book. I have to spend my money on covert equipment to fight the beast and have no extra money for book buying. Thanks in advance.

jackson82

14-05-2010, 03:19 PM

flutter

14-05-2010, 03:30 PM

Crystalline structure might account for the resonance and not hollow at all. :)

Did shit from A13 hit the moon, I thought they had a problem on route. :)

That's true :) I liked the site I got the info from because it had alternative views as to the 'ringing like a bell' such as the crystalline structure like you pointed out - I like to see all (or as many as I can) of the possibilities out there, instead of clinging to just one (that's why I didn't cite the many other pages out there with the "ringing like a bell" info, because they were extremely bias in their views, saying it was sure fire proof of the moon being hollow - I think hollow is a possibility, but that the crystalline structure, etc, are as well). I like Icke's theory, but I like other ideas too. I didn't agree with the OPs view of Icke intentionally trying to con people, I don't believe that's his goal; while I don't subscribe to his views lock, stock, and barrel, I do think (or should I say hope) his intentions are good and he has some interesting ideas, ideas that if someone looks in to with an open mind, can lead to the truth (or at least a better understanding, or interesting party chatter :) )

As for what hit the moon from Apollo 13, to quote the article "the 15-ton spent third stage of the Saturn V launch vehicle crashed into the Moon, as planned."

runlikehell

14-05-2010, 04:19 PM

It now reads 'David Icke is exposing himself' :eek::eek:

I thought this thread was about something entirely different ;)

he's done that, David must hate this book cover :o

It's the brown squiggle at his feet :confused:

http://i38.tinypic.com/seceus.jpg :D

it's looks like a jobby :eek:

jackson82

14-05-2010, 05:46 PM

That's true :) I liked the site I got the info from because it had alternative views as to the 'ringing like a bell' such as the crystalline structure like you pointed out - I like to see all (or as many as I can) of the possibilities out there, instead of clinging to just one (that's why I didn't cite the many other pages out there with the "ringing like a bell" info, because they were extremely bias in their views, saying it was sure fire proof of the moon being hollow - I think hollow is a possibility, but that the crystalline structure, etc, are as well). I like Icke's theory, but I like other ideas too. I didn't agree with the OPs view of Icke intentionally trying to con people, I don't believe that's his goal; while I don't subscribe to his views lock, stock, and barrel, I do think (or should I say hope) his intentions are good and he has some interesting ideas, ideas that if someone looks in to with an open mind, can lead to the truth (or at least a better understanding, or interesting party chatter :) )

As for what hit the moon from Apollo 13, to quote the article "the 15-ton spent third stage of the Saturn V launch vehicle crashed into the Moon, as planned."

Yeah it's best to stay with an open mind, the universe is full of wonders.

I don't feel DI is setting out to con people in anyway. :)

I had no idea about A13 so you have taught me something, thank you. :)

marpat

14-05-2010, 06:10 PM

the moon?

ets are NOT manipulating us at all.

There is ZERO evidence of this.

It is not even Ickes moon theory, he just stole the ideas from many other writers, such as HG Wells, and then packaged it into a theory that his followers can believe without ever being able to prove.

babylonisfallin

14-05-2010, 06:22 PM

dude..

youre slightly ignorant as hel...

beldazar

14-05-2010, 06:40 PM

dude..

youre slightly ignorant as hel...

Lol, nice first post! :D

Welcome to the forum :)

jackson82

14-05-2010, 06:54 PM

sithnemesis

14-05-2010, 07:14 PM

David has a tale to tell us...

So let's listen/read first, research and try to prove or disprove later...

pound

14-05-2010, 07:40 PM

Lol, nice first post! :D

Welcome to the forum :)

haha..+1

phemohilia

14-05-2010, 08:07 PM

dude..

youre slightly ignorant as hel...

Post Of The Day Award!!!! :D

http://trophiesandawards.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/award-trophies-trophy2.jpg

peregrinus

16-05-2010, 04:23 PM

he's done that, David must hate this book cover :o

It's the brown squiggle at his feet :confused:

http://i38.tinypic.com/seceus.jpg :D

it's looks like a jobby :eek:

Holy shite!!!:eek: your right Run. Wonder what he was thinking when he hired that artist. lol :D

standuptothisshit

16-05-2010, 05:19 PM

This thread is funny reading. I like how everyone's saying THERE IS NO EVIDENCE 4THIS but they haven't actually looked for any. They haven't read the book or watched the interviews or even done a google search. How can you make up your mind about something if you haven't even heard both sides of the story? Seems more like an avoidance strategy to me.

erthiz

16-05-2010, 05:20 PM

Watch Moon Rising.

Youtube.

zanarkandz

17-05-2010, 08:36 PM

Watch Moon Rising.

Youtube.

I'm watching it, I can accept the fact that aliens are "parked" in the moon and that the government doesn't want it to be revealed.

But I can't accept the whole Moon being a machine that creates our reality, how can the moon be a machine if it's part of our reality ? It's a reality that creates itself ? Seriously if reptilians are that omnipotent why the hell they don't just invade us with their moon troops, and raise us like cattle, so we can suffer until the end of our days and they can feed of our suffering ?

Because David Icke research is nothing more than coping various conspiracy theories he comes across and then pasting them together, and the whole scenario is so confusing now that's ridiculous !!!

I can believe that the government is controlling us so they can live the good life, I can believe aliens exist and are visiting us and maybe disguising as humans themselves, I can believe in reincarnation. But Icke already told a story that has too many flaws to be considered as the truth

krakhead

17-05-2010, 08:52 PM

I'm watching it, I can accept the fact that aliens are "parked" in the moon and that the government doesn't want it to be revealed.

But I can't accept the whole Moon being a machine that creates our reality, how can the moon be a machine if it's part of our reality ? It's a reality that creates itself ? Seriously if reptilians are that omnipotent why the hell they don't just invade us with their moon troops, and raise us like cattle, so we can suffer until the end of our days and they can feed of our suffering ?

Because David Icke research is nothing more than coping various conspiracy theories he comes across and then pasting them together, and the whole scenario is so confusing now that's ridiculous !!!

I can believe that the government is controlling us so they can live the good life, I can believe aliens exist and are visiting us and maybe disguising as humans themselves, I can believe in reincarnation. But Icke already told a story that has too many flaws to be considered as the truth

You haven't read any of David's work in any detail have you?

beldazar

18-05-2010, 07:12 AM

You haven't read any of David's work in any detail have you?

So true!

jensen

18-05-2010, 11:36 AM

I'm watching it, I can accept the fact that aliens are "parked" in the moon and that the government doesn't want it to be revealed.

But I can't accept the whole Moon being a machine that creates our reality, how can the moon be a machine if it's part of our reality ? It's a reality that creates itself ? Seriously if reptilians are that omnipotent why the hell they don't just invade us with their moon troops, and raise us like cattle, so we can suffer until the end of our days and they can feed of our suffering ?

Because David Icke research is nothing more than coping various conspiracy theories he comes across and then pasting them together, and the whole scenario is so confusing now that's ridiculous !!!

I can believe that the government is controlling us so they can live the good life, I can believe aliens exist and are visiting us and maybe disguising as humans themselves, I can believe in reincarnation. But Icke already told a story that has too many flaws to be considered as the truth

i understand your point.try watching this Holographic Universe (Part 1 of 2 ) its all illusion. and also Alex Collier interviewed in 1994 by Rick Keefe (1 of 12). and think again.

ashur

18-05-2010, 12:15 PM

I've read a book about the moon being artificial before icke mentioned it. It had reasoning and facts to back it up.

pound

18-05-2010, 12:57 PM

You haven't read any of David's work in any detail have you?

I honestly don't think he has!

woah

18-05-2010, 02:10 PM

http://i38.tinypic.com/seceus.jpg :D

Isn't the term 'I am' important to the masons? I think it is, maybe not as important as the letter 'Y' which is the masonic sign for 'help' if I remember correctly. Coincidence?

thirdwave

18-05-2010, 03:13 PM

Isn't the term 'I am' important to the masons? I think it is, maybe not as important as the letter 'Y' which is the masonic sign for 'help' if I remember correctly. Coincidence?

Never heard anything that shows the masons think the term "I am" is important...

I would say "I am" is an important term for everyone! :)

The thing is, even if it was (which I bet its not) then what should he have called the book? " It is me that is me, it is me that is free"? .. or, "In the act of being Me, I become Free".."me's Free"? .."I became free, when I was me"...

Good job the Freemasons have not claimed all the vowels!!, then we would really be fucked! :o

The term "I am me, I am free" has a meaning to it which resonates to what Icke talks about, its also a very positive and simple message.

What strikes me as odd, is those who imply Icke is a Freemason, can never really explain why a Freemason would want to expose such networks as having child abusers/murders in them and an agenda of imprisoning man...

It also implies that all Freemasons are evil, which I dont belive to be the case..

I can understand (not agree but understand) how some might see him as a person being used as a "useful idiot".. and that he is not truth even though he thinks he is.... I can see how some might take that view point.. also if he has been taken for a ride maybe.... these are points of view that can at least have a respectable stance if you really dont see sense in what Icke talks about....

But to say he IS a bad guy freemason?, Well call me closed minded But I find it much easier to believe in his latest rightings on the moon being an old constructed satellite effecting us all our lives.. than him being a secret freemason..

i_am

18-05-2010, 03:53 PM

Isn't the term 'I am' important to the masons? I think it is, maybe not as important as the letter 'Y' which is the masonic sign for 'help' if I remember correctly. Coincidence?

Oh FFS :rolleyes::D

I am speechless, I am

woah

18-05-2010, 04:02 PM

Never heard anything that shows the masons think the term "I am" is important...

I would say "I am" is an important term for everyone! :)

The thing is, even if it was (which I bet its not) then what should he have called the book? " It is me that is me, it is me that is free"? .. or, "In the act of being Me, I become Free".."me's Free"? .."I became free, when I was me"...

Good job the Freemasons have not claimed all the vowels!!, then we would really be fucked! :o

The term "I am me, I am free" has a meaning to it which resonates to what Icke talks about, its also a very positive and simple message.

What strikes me as odd, is those who imply Icke is a Freemason, can never really explain why a Freemason would want to expose such networks as having child abusers/murders in them and an agenda of imprisoning man...

It also implies that all Freemasons are evil, which I dont belive to be the case..

I can understand (not agree but understand) how some might see him as a person being used as a "useful idiot".. and that he is not truth even though he thinks he is.... I can see how some might take that view point.. also if he has been taken for a ride maybe.... these are points of view that can at least have a respectable stance if you really dont see sense in what Icke talks about....

But to say he IS a bad guy freemason?, Well call me closed minded But I find it much easier to believe in his latest rightings on the moon being an old constructed satellite effecting us all our lives.. than him being a secret freemason..

Sorry, but 'I am' is important to the masons, it's an initiation term/chant.

Take Shakespeare for example, Will-I-AM. Black eyed peas guy calls himself Wil.I.AM.

'Y' is the masonic sign for 'help' or 'sos'.

spitalwings

18-05-2010, 04:10 PM

heathers

18-05-2010, 04:41 PM

After seeing David in Brixton on Saturday, where he went into quite some detail about this moon theory - I can say it ALL FITS!<br><br>It adds the extra dimension that seems to make everything else come together and, it just... it makes sense in the whole scheme of things. Contrary to making it less believable that he is telling the truth, it infact compounds my belief at any rate.

ufochick

19-05-2010, 02:53 AM

the moon?

ets are NOT manipulating us at all.

There is ZERO evidence of this.

Hmmm... well they are manipulating us from somewhere. Otherwise where did my giant scares come from? where do the luminescent markings come from? and much much more....

So much programming so little truth...sigh

blackstar76

19-05-2010, 03:04 AM

Who said the moon rings like a bell if you hit it? It would not be that hollow on the inside. At least 200 ft of rock. It would not ring like a bell then. Is there even sound in space? What other facts are stated on this?

apollo_gnomon

19-05-2010, 04:12 AM

Actually, the moon DOES "ring like a bell." So does the earth.
http://www.physorg.com/news63645811.html

In neither case does it prove hollowness; the word "bell" is a figure of speech. Seismic waves are very low frequency and will travel through solid material. Like bass-thump from a car stereo that you can hear outside the car, but you can't hear the lyrics.

On Earth seismic wave propagation is what gave scientists a clue what the inside of the Earth is like - semi-liquid magma under the crust, and a dense core in the middle. They read the seismograph traces after earthquakes and it's like gigantic sonar.

The moon seismographs were all too close together to get a good "view" of the interior. The seismographs ran until 1977.

eyeballkid88

19-05-2010, 04:36 AM

It is not even Ickes moon theory, he just stole the ideas from many other writers, such as HG Wells, and then packaged it into a theory that his followers can believe without ever being able to prove.

Yeah, I spoke to Dave as well, aparantly he doesnt even believe it himself hes just having one big laugh... He planned this nonsense since beofre wogan you know...

Hes positively killing himself laughing that everyone just followed along..

eyeballkid88

19-05-2010, 04:44 AM

Sorry, but 'I am' is important to the masons, it's an initiation term/chant.

Take Shakespeare for example, Will-I-AM. Black eyed peas guy calls himself Wil.I.AM.

'Y' is the masonic sign for 'help' or 'sos'.

You say its a chant/initiation, I say there just talking and showing their nipples to each other...

Are you a mason? Have you been "initiated"?

Prove its important ...

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 11:02 AM

Sorry, but 'I am' is important to the masons, it's an initiation term/chant.

Take Shakespeare for example, Will-I-AM. Black eyed peas guy calls himself Wil.I.AM.

'Y' is the masonic sign for 'help' or 'sos'.

lol!! no need to be sorry, I AM not bothered!

but what will those greedy masons do next!?!.. will they nick "Can I"?!

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 11:17 AM

It is not even Ickes moon theory, he just stole the ideas from many other writers, such as HG Wells, and then packaged it into a theory that his followers can believe without ever being able to prove.

David does not claim its his theory, He presented a book which he read about it after becoming interested in what the moon was and pointed out lots of research that was done before him... He does of course present his take on what the moon is used for though...

what made you think he claimed it was "his theory"??

woah

19-05-2010, 11:32 AM

You say its a chant/initiation, I say there just talking and showing their nipples to each other...

Are you a mason? Have you been "initiated"?

Prove its important ...

I got my info from an Alan Watt book (cutting through.. 1+2). They're not commonly available, you'll have to buy direct from him and they're not cheap. Here's some links which confirm the 'I AM' initiation rite.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/kennethcopeland33rddegreefreemason.htm

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/page5alanwatt.html

This link suggests 'Y' represents the devils horns in masonry.
In my Alan Watt book he states that 'Y' is the masonic sign for help or 'sos' (same forward as it is backward)

http://myreader.co.uk/msg/1073306.aspx

If I was a mason I probably wouldn't tell you I was.

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 11:38 AM

I got my info from an Alan Watt's book

ahhh!

ok. :)

woah

19-05-2010, 11:39 AM

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 12:24 PM

I've found this link to the RLNI site (sos day). If you read down the page you'll see that they have rescue boats called 'Y' boats.

http://www.rnli.org.uk/who_we_are/press_centre/news_releases/news_release_detail?articleid=524204

They also have rescue boats called X boats, D boats and XP boats... they are classes of rescue life boats.. make of it what you will I guess...

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 12:28 PM

If I was a mason I probably wouldn't tell you I was.

You would not tell me your secret signs either.. :)

Or teach people that masons are devil worshipping , child raping, enemies of the masses! :)

woah

19-05-2010, 12:36 PM

They also have rescue boats called X boats, D boats and XP boats... they are classes of rescue life boats.. make of it what you will I guess...

X and D are both important masonic letters.

XP = 1 + 7

1+7 = 8

8 = masonic number for power and wealth, same above as it is below.

Probably more coincidence....... or?

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 12:46 PM

X and D are both important masonic letters.

XP = 1 + 7

1+7 = 8

8 = masonic number for power and wealth, same above as it is below.

Probably more coincidence....... or?

LOL, ok, lets assume this is a fact. (which its far from proven as being)

what do you mean "Freemasonic letters" ???

it is not even Freemasonic, is is numerology... if it was an A boat... B Boat, C Boat, D boat... all the way through the alphabet you could link it to a freemasonry symbol!

Probably more coincidence??? :) .. No!

eyeballkid88

19-05-2010, 12:53 PM

I got my info from an Alan Watt book (cutting through.. 1+2). They're not commonly available, you'll have to buy direct from him and they're not cheap. Here's some links which confirm the 'I AM' initiation rite.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/kennethcopeland33rddegreefreemason.htm

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/page5alanwatt.html

This link suggests 'Y' represents the devils horns in masonry.
In my Alan Watt book he states that 'Y' is the masonic sign for help or 'sos' (same forward as it is backward)

http://myreader.co.uk/msg/1073306.aspx

If I was a mason I probably wouldn't tell you I was.

Fair enough mate..... interesting stuff......

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 12:55 PM

B-Class Life Boat
http://www.newbrightonlifeboat.co.uk/bclass.htm

what does B mean? :)

woah

19-05-2010, 01:15 PM

LOL, ok, lets assume this is a fact. (which its far from proven as being)

what do you mean "Freemasonic letters" ???

it is not even Freemasonic, is is numerology... if it was an A boat... B Boat, C Boat, D boat... all the way through the alphabet you could link it to a freemasonry symbol!

Probably more coincidence??? :) .. No!

You're a moderator on a David Icke forum. I wouldn't expect you to do anything but defend Icke.

I have no knowledge of any letters other than B, C, D, G, Y, M and X having masonic meaning. That's why I didn't mention P being masonic. It's not my fault that the RNLI chose letters that have masonic meaning.

And are you saying that 'I AM' is not a masonic initiation chant? You seem to be ignoring my point here. Is Icke just ignorant of this fact.
And I think you're forgetting my original post which was that the cover of his book contained the 'I AM'(said twice/chant) and the 'Y' together which makes it look extra masonic to me.

woah

19-05-2010, 01:36 PM

B-Class Life Boat
http://www.newbrightonlifeboat.co.uk/bclass.htm

what does B mean? :)

You're certainly getting an education today ;)

B is very important to masons. As in Bee the insect. Here's an excellent link on the subject.

http://andrewgough.co.uk/bee3_1.html

Here's another link which gives further examples of bee-hives being used by masons in their art.

http://www.swartzentrover.com/cotor/Cults/Mormon/Symbols/Symbols.htm

Also Will-I-AM Shakespeare has the line "to be or not to be"

To be = 2+2
2+2 = 4
4= D
D = hidden trinity

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 01:49 PM

You're a moderator on a David Icke forum. I wouldn't expect you to do anything but defend Icke.

lol, I was waiting for that one...

I have also been accused before of not being a good mod for not sporting some of his theories.. so there you go, cant please everyone :)

Of course it has nothing to do with how illogical and baseless the claims are... and how much of a narrow minded perspective it is on freemasonry as a whole.

I have no knowledge of any letters other than B, C, D, G, Y, M and X having masonic meaning. That's why I didn't mention P being masonic. It's not my fault that the RNLI chose letters that have masonic meaning.

But they do have P boats... A boats..... and so on....does that not tie into why they also have b.c.d..and f and so on...?

They obviously use these to determine several classes of boats... I would guess that they did not create an alphabetical code for boat classes just so the freemasons can use "Y" for one of the rescue boats!... especially when there are about 5 other class types for a rescue boat using letters that are not supposedly a secret code for "rescue"!

And are you saying that 'I AM' is not a masonic initiation chant? You seem to be ignoring my point here.
Im not claiming anything.. you are.

I'm saying I dont know what initiation chants the Freemasons have as I have never been one.... I'm saying I doubt very much they dont change over time anyway..... Also I think AW is full of shit ,and Im not overly convinced by the book you have linked to a supposed freemason deciding to let everyone know their "secret" chants.

Im also saying that people coming out with this stuff always fail to give anything close to a logical reason a "freemason" would want people to think their aim is to rape and kill children, imprison humanity, and worship its enemy...

If you can I would be intrigued to hear it with an open mind.

Is Icke just ignorant of this fact.
But this is just it, its not fact, and even if it was it has nothing to do with Icke of the meaning behind the subject in his book!

And I think you're forgetting my original post which was that the cover of his book contained the 'I AM'(said twice/chant) and the 'Y' together which makes it look extra masonic to me.

No I responded to that in perfect clarity then went onto respond to you Y boat research....

If we are back to the "I am" thing then I think I have covered that, or not?

beldazar

19-05-2010, 01:57 PM

You're certainly getting an education today ;)

B is very important to masons. As in Bee the insect. Here's an excellent link on the subject.

http://andrewgough.co.uk/bee3_1.html

Here's another link which gives further examples of bee-hives being used by masons in their art.

http://www.swartzentrover.com/cotor/Cults/Mormon/Symbols/Symbols.htm

Also Will-I-AM Shakespeare has the line "to be or not to be"

To be = 2+2
2+2 = 4
4= D
D = hidden trinity

I would have presumed that the masons controlled ALL of the alphabet considering they invented it so until we can revert back to telepathy I guess we have to use it.

By the way, you may be interested in this site, not many other people are

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/

Lots of word play here ;)

woah

19-05-2010, 02:17 PM

lol, I was waiting for that one...

I have also been accused before of not being a good mod for not sporting some of his theories.. so there you go, cant please everyone :)

Of course it has nothing to do with how illogical and baseless the claims are... and how much of a narrow minded perspective it is on freemasonry as a whole.

But they do have P boats... A boats..... and so on....does that not tie into why they also have b.c.d..and f and so on...?

They obviously use these to determine several classes of boats... I would guess that they did not create an alphabetical code for boat classes just so the freemasons can use "Y" for one of the rescue boats!... especially when there are about 5 other class types for a rescue boat using letters that are not supposedly a secret code for "rescue"!

Im not claiming anything.. you are.

I'm saying I dont know what initiation chants the Freemasons have as I have never been one.... I'm saying I doubt very much they dont change over time anyway..... Also I think AW is full of shit ,and Im not overly convinced by the book you have linked to a supposed freemason deciding to let everyone know their "secret" chants.

Im also saying that people coming out with this stuff always fail to give anything close to a logical reason a "freemason" would want people to think their aim is to rape and kill children, imprison humanity, and worship its enemy...

If you can I would be intrigued to hear it with an open mind.

But this is just it, its not fact, and even if it was it has nothing to do with Icke of the meaning behind the subject in his book!

No I responded to that in perfect clarity then went onto respond to you Y boat research....

If we are back to the "I am" thing then I think I have covered that, or not?

Please tell me why you think AW is 'full of shit'. I think he is too I just want to hear your reasons.

Isn't there any chance of a freemason deciding to leave the organisation and spill the beans so to speak? I would have thought that was quite likely given the amount of people who have gone through the ranks.

The 'Y' boat RNLI thing was just a casual observation from a quick internet search for 'sos'. It might not mean anything, it just seemed to back up that 'Y' had something to do with 'help' or 'sos'.

woah

19-05-2010, 02:20 PM

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 02:23 PM

You're certainly getting an education today ;)

My brain is packed to the rafters mate! :)

B is very important to masons. As in Bee the insect. Here's an excellent link on the subject.

http://andrewgough.co.uk/bee3_1.html

Never heard of the guy, and no one is denying numerology and how its big is is within freemasonry and every other secret society..

Im sure even terms and words do...

But more to the point, your whole point was that "Y" was tagged as a rescue boat and *spooky music* .. "Y" is supposed to be a sign for rescue in freemasonry...

We then found out that you can also get B, C, D and XP rescue boats... and more classes... hence why also Y was possibly used as one.

You get what Im saying?

Here's another link which gives further examples of bee-hives being used by masons in their art.

http://www.swartzentrover.com/cotor/Cults/Mormon/Symbols/Symbols.htm

Its pretty much known that the occult is rampant with numerology and chants though isn't it.. ?

I dont think anyone who knows a little about the occult would argue with that, as I am not... ancient alphabets are also linked to numerology

Also Will-I-AM Shakespeare has the line "to be or not to be"

To be = 2+2
2+2 = 4
4= D
D = hidden trinity

ok.... so the world came from a German word meaning desire protection... we see in English it looks like as you have put... But if relevant then it is saying Will I am, meaning the person is the will of something or someone..

Ok, but is that not just using the English language?

What is "I am " supposed to mean? separate from what it actually means?

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 02:33 PM

I would have presumed that the masons controlled ALL of the alphabet considering they invented it so until we can revert back to telepathy I guess we have to use it.

By the way, you may be interested in this site, not many other people are

http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/

Lots of word play here ;)

Totaly, every letter and number is occult with deeper meaning.

But as far as I know freemasonry has only been recognised from the earliest lodge that was around 1600AD and the earliest hint of it being around before then was 1390AD

Alphabet was created around 2700 BC in Ancient Egypt

Latin 700BC

and English 500AD

all quite a time before the Freemasons where around, So I dont think they "created" it... I would say they had a greater understanding of it though.

beldazar

19-05-2010, 02:35 PM

Totaly, every letter and number is occult with deeper meaning.

But as far as I know freemasonry has only been recognised from the earliest lodge that was around 1600AD and the earliest hint of it being around before then was 1390AD

Alphabet was created around 2700 BC in Ancient Egypt

Latin 700BC

and English 500AD

all quite a time before the Freemasons where around, So I dont think they "created" it... I would say they had a greater understanding of it though.

Well I think you get what I mean don't you? The mystery schools going back to egypt if not much before then. The letters are like heiroglyphs, 'pictures'

Whatever you want to call 'them' before the word 'mason' was used. Druids perhaps? Pharoahs etc...magicians, sorcerors, 12 foot flippin' lizards, lol And masons did create the dictionary of today.

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 02:44 PM

Please tell me why you think AW is 'full of shit'. I think he is too I just want to hear your reasons.

Well not to turn the thread into a AW one, But lets just say anyone that points the finger at so many other people without a speck of conclusive evidence, needs a good look at, So I did have a good look and I wont be buying any of his books any time soon. I am actually starting a blog of my own and my first task will be to right articles on various researchers and I will be righting an interesting one on him.

Isn't there any chance of a freemason deciding to leave the organisation and spill the beans so to speak? I would have thought that was quite likely given the amount of people who have gone through the ranks. As I understand it there are many levels and the higher up the ladder you go the harder it is to leave, and given the benefits no one usually does, not just because of the benefits but also the knowledge on how their lives can be effected should they "spill the beans"

And I certainly dont think they would revel top vital secrets to people who may come and go... I would be more convinced that Masons put out false info about the Masons in an attempt to mislead... in fact that probably happens allot in the lower degree's where they only get fed bread crumbs..

I dont actually have anything against Freemasons, and dont believe they are all devil worshipping evil people, I do agree that higher degree's may well have been infiltrated and are used among other societies..

The 'Y' boat RNLI thing was just a casual observation from a quick internet search for 'sos'. It might not mean anything, it just seemed to back up that 'Y' had something to do with 'help' or 'sos'.

Ahh ok, fair enough, though you can see how these things can be like a snow ball effect..

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 02:45 PM

Well I think you get what I mean don't you? The mystery schools going back to egypt if not much before then. The letters are like heiroglyphs, 'pictures'

Whatever you want to call 'them' before the word 'mason' was used. Druids perhaps? Pharoahs etc...magicians, sorcerors, 12 foot flippin' lizards, lol And masons did create the dictionary of today.

I hear ya..

woah

19-05-2010, 02:54 PM

My brain is packed to the rafters mate! :)

Never heard of the guy, and no one is denying numerology and how its big is is within freemasonry and every other secret society..

Im sure even terms and words do...

But more to the point, your whole point was that "Y" was tagged as a rescue boat and *spooky music* .. "Y" is supposed to be a sign for rescue in freemasonry...

We then found out that you can also get B, C, D and XP rescue boats... and more classes... hence why also Y was possibly used as one.

You get what Im saying?

Its pretty much known that the occult is rampant with numerology and chants though isn't it.. ?

I dont think anyone who knows a little about the occult would argue with that, as I am not... ancient alphabets are also linked to numerology

ok.... so the world came from a German word meaning desire protection... we see in English it looks like as you have put... But if relevant then it is saying Will I am, meaning the person is the will of something or someone..

Ok, but is that not just using the English language?

What is "I am " supposed to mean? separate from what it actually means?

You asked me to explain the significance of 'B' in masonry. I did and I thought I had done a good job of it too.

My 'whole point' was not the 'Y' boat thing and you know it. That's unfair of you. You're attacking the weakest point in my argument (as I've admitted) and trying to make it the 'whole' of my argument.

My understanding of 'I AM' has nothing to do with it being a masonic initiation chant. It either is or it isn't. I don't know why they chant it. Try asking Will.I.AM (I believe thats how he writes his name) from the black eyed pea's.

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 03:10 PM

You asked me to explain the significance of 'B' in masonry. I did and I thought I had done a good job of it too.

No I was talking about the significance of why the boat was called a "B boat" ... I am already aware that the alphabet and numerology is significance in freemasonry and all occult movements..

you have since explained that the "Y boat" theory was just a brief observation you had... As a result there is no relevance to my questions on it any more..

My 'whole point' was not the 'Y' boat thing and you know it. That's unfair of you. You're attacking the weakest point in my argument (as I've admitted) and trying to make it the 'whole' of my argument.

No Since you have pointed out that the "Y boat" thing was just a comment and not fact, I have no longer looked for any further debate on this, So there is nothing unfair about me here at all, and I am more than happy to get stuck into this "I am" thing.

My understanding of 'I AM' has nothing to do with it being a masonic initiation chant. It either is or it isn't. I don't know why they chant it. Try asking Will.I.AM (I believe thats how he writes his name) from the black eyed pea's.

First of all the word William may well have "Will I am" in it, and may even be linked to occult.... maybe he is into the occult and saw that and liked it.. who knows..

it does not mean he is a Freemason though... or I am is a freemasonry chant. Even if at times they may have chanted it... it is actually a part of the English language and if the world suit a ritual then its very likely at some point they have been used in freemasonry... "I am" is quite a common English saying right.. its not as if they would be banking on having it as their own..

For a start the name William originated before Freemasonry did.

woah

19-05-2010, 03:24 PM

Well not to turn the thread into a AW one, But lets just say anyone that points the finger at so many other people without a speck of conclusive evidence, needs a good look at, So I did have a good look and I wont be buying any of his books any time soon. I am actually starting a blog of my own and my first task will be to right articles on various researchers and I will be righting an interesting one on him.

As I understand it there are many levels and the higher up the ladder you go the harder it is to leave, and given the benefits no one usually does, not just because of the benefits but also the knowledge on how their lives can be effected should they "spill the beans"

And I certainly dont think they would revel top vital secrets to people who may come and go... I would be more convinced that Masons put out false info about the Masons in an attempt to mislead... in fact that probably happens allot in the lower degree's where they only get fed bread crumbs..

I dont actually have anything against Freemasons, and dont believe they are all devil worshipping evil people, I do agree that higher degree's may well have been infiltrated and are used among other societies..

If I was going to create my own blog exposing David Icke I think I would probably read his books first (which I haven't).
AW is canny in the fact that he doesn't give away his info (true or not) for free. There's very little of his books on his website.
Good luck with your blog anyway.

I mistrust AW not because of what he says but what he doesn't say. (and that requires a different thread)

thirdwave

19-05-2010, 03:39 PM

If I was going to create my own blog exposing David Icke I think I would probably read his books first (which I haven't).

The blog is not going to be about exposing anyone let alone AW, But it will contain my thoughts on him and what I have come across when looking at his claims.

I have not read his books because I have listened to his radio show and interviews and determine that he is not an Author that I would choose to invest in...

AW is canny in the fact that he doesn't give away his info (true or not) for free. There's very little of his books on his website.
Good luck with your blog anyway.
Well I cant say I am sleepless not knowing what's in them :)

still, everyone to their own.

I mistrust AW not because of what he says but what he doesn't say. (and that requires a different thread)

I would actually agree with that... although I also mistrust a little of what he says as well, I feel his research comes from a desired views point rather than a factual one,.. but yeah, diffident thread...

woah

19-05-2010, 04:06 PM

I've found another link that explains the 'Y' in masonry. At the bottom of the page you'll find it under 'grand hailing sign of distress'. The arms are bent to make a square but the shape looks 'Y,ish' to me.

http://www.ephesians5-11.org/handshakes.htm

Here's another link about the importance of 'Y' in masonry. Half way down the page you'll find it.

http://www.ukcolumn.org/2008/02/01/common-purpose-a-criminal-organisation/

jensen

19-05-2010, 04:40 PM

What the so called neutral media does, every time someone talks about the bilderbergers, illuminati or aliens. they present it as if they are neutral, and then make little jokes at every turn.too discredit. without even considering the proof. every one must know that someone is paying for the political partys they wote for.a.i owning them. WHO ? secret in political systems. WHY? every one should know that astronomers,physics tell us that nothing is solid its atoms.physics also say that there are 11 dimentions not 3.look up string theory and m-theory and think about it.nothing we see is outside off us. light (energy) enters your eye, is converted to electricity ,witch u see in your brain as a picture but only in your brain.outside everything is energy entering your eyes in difrent wavelenght. a wall,your fridge,the sky. all light energy at difrent wavelenght decoded by you into pictures.but only in the brain. isent that proof, that atleast di has some very interesting points ,about the reality we live in.

allinfavor

19-05-2010, 08:39 PM

hmm.
The moon is not effecting you. But thats not a good thing. It means you are not sensitive to the nature anymore.

A rough see is effecting me.
The shine of the sun is effecting me at rise, at noon, and at dawn.
A brise is effecting me
A strong wind also
The temperature is effecting me.
kindness and rudeness are effecting me omg they are not even existing )
and a lot more things too.

So if the moon is not effecting you, you have my honest condolence

sithnemesis

19-05-2010, 08:56 PM

HOLLOW MOON

http://www.popul8.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/Shield_must_be_deactivated.jpg

Moon Matrix

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/ee/DeathStar2.jpg

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I think I have a brilliant addition to the moon alien and matrix theory

What if the moon aliens have been and continue to use alien hybrid human beings as wireless hosts or avatars or surrogates in order to do their evil bidding and control the sheeple in what could be a massive-intergalactic-multiplayer-interactive game?

What do you think??

http://www.blogcdn.com/news.bigdownload.com/media/2008/12/galciv2dec15.jpg http://touchreviews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Captain-Galactic-iPhone-Game_4.jpg

http://www.cybermage.se/surrogates_movie_poster1.jpg http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2btO2nKpQl4/S0Vsi6w35BI/AAAAAAAADAU/U-T5TgJl6lU/s400/avatar_movie_poster.jpg

http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/DeathStarFiring2.jpg

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r177/newhorizon_01/swahsathmok000c.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1375/908689940_a058bdbcee.jpg?v=0

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r177/newhorizon_01/nibiru2-1.jpg

sithnemesis

19-05-2010, 09:00 PM

Other perspectives

Aliens on moon and mars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qop2CSiD7QE&feature=PlayList&p=082A006F957C51B6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qop2CSiD7QE&feature=PlayList&p=082A006F957C51B6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qop2CSiD7QE&feature=PlayList&p=082A006F957C51B6)

UFO shooting out of city
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9eobHWco-s&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9eobHWco-s&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9eobHWco-s&feature=player_embedded)

Alien structures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7gpMgJVswQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7gpMgJVswQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7gpMgJVswQ&feature=related)

http://www.cozypages.com/images/manonthemoonfirst.jpg

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beldazar

20-05-2010, 07:33 AM

mistermagoo

23-05-2010, 03:27 PM

In David's video question/answer segment posted May 23rd he speculated that, other than the moon, there are other sending stations on the earth that send illusions to the pupulace. Some years ago after being thrown out of one of the so-called Christian churches, several of us began a newsletter in which we published our research on Biblical topics. One of the topics we researched and wrote about was Solomon's Temple. This Temple was built entirely by foreigners who were Freemasons. Every time Jerusalem was overthrown the attackers went to great lengths to destroy that Temple--why? Because it was being used to send mind control messages, and as David says, it was being used to hack into the human computer.

Within several generations of the time America was fist colonized the people woke up and threw off their oppressors. Why? Because the "Temples" that had been constructed in Europe did not exist in America and these people were no longer being programmed.

Since that time the controllers have gone to great lengths to construct temples in America. The more notable are the state Capitols, which if you observe you will find homage to the "gods" all over them. Lewis and Clark conducted an expedition starting in around 1805. Why? To find the vortex points where temples could eventually be built. The state capitols throughout the upper midwest and plains states are built on the route Lewis and Clark took.

I suggest that it is these state Capitol buildings/temples and other similar monuments that contribute to the Moon Matrix effect.