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princess_david
11-05-2010, 11:09 AM
Sorry to start a new thread, but...
I've noticed there are a fair amount of people on here who believe that the Jewish Government or Jews as a whole are the secret rulers of the world and/or are responsible for pretty much everything bad that has happened in history.
Could one/some of these people explain to me what they believe the motive for all this is?
Many people tend to focus on genetic data, do you believe that there is something within the jewish genetic makeup that drives them?
Sorry to start a new thread, but...
I've noticed there are a fair amount of people on here who believe that the Jewish Government or Jews as a whole are the secret rulers of the world and/or are responsible for pretty much everything bad that has happened in history.
Could one/some of these people explain to me what they believe the motive for all this is?
Many people tend to focus on genetic data, do you believe that there is something within the jewish genetic makeup that drives them?
You apologize for starting a thread on 'jews'. That says it all. Analyze that and you'll have all the answers.
oneup
11-05-2010, 02:38 PM
responsible for pretty much everything bad that has happened in history.
Sounds familiar... school... history class.... WWII.... Hitler...
princess_david
11-05-2010, 05:54 PM
You apologize for starting a thread on 'jews'. That says it all. Analyze that and you'll have all the answers.
I was apologising for starting a new thread on a subject that is discussed in almost every other thread. Nothing to do with apologising for my curiosity.
I would just like a summary of the basic points/evidence.
I consider myself open-minded and I've never encountered so many people who blame the jews/jewish government as I have on here and I suppose I'm just a bit confused by it all.
Start here, should give you an idea of what HUGE liars they are.
http://www.nazigassings.com/
It's also a good way of avoiding Icke's 'rothschild zionist' BS.
Holohoax will make you understand what so called 'normal' jews are capable of, on mass.
Er... let me guess, you didn't like my answer (like my previous one). Guess you just wanted some loser to come on hear and tell you about how stupid and nasty all those anti-semites are.
Why don't you pretend you never started this thread and run away, that would look real good. Especially now that everyone can see you weren't genuine in your inquires.
Better still try the 'Icke is god' section where they're currently discussing how great his new book is cos it puts you to sleep!!! I'm not joking, some posts around here are beyond parody.
princess_david
12-05-2010, 11:29 AM
Er... let me guess, you didn't like my answer (like my previous one). Guess you just wanted some loser to come on hear and tell you about how stupid and nasty all those anti-semites are.
Why don't you pretend you never started this thread and run away, that would look real good. Especially now that everyone can see you weren't genuine in your inquires.
Better still try the 'Icke is god' section where they're currently discussing how great his new book is cos it puts you to sleep!!! I'm not joking, some posts around here are beyond parody.
I've only just logged on and haven't had a chance to read your answer and the link in it properly yet.
Calm down.
I've only just logged on and haven't had a chance to read your answer and the link in it properly yet.
Calm down.
Cool, I'll wait for your reply then. Here's another link you might like.
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
princess_david
12-05-2010, 12:49 PM
Cool, I'll wait for your reply then. Here's another link you might like.
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
That article seems to argue that 'some' jews bought into the Communist idea and perpertrated horrendous acts.
Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity.
That doesn't support the idea that the jews were behind the 1917 revolution.
That article seems to argue that 'some' jews bought into the Communist idea and perpertrated horrendous acts.
That doesn't support the idea that the jews were behind the 1917 revolution.
You neatly side-stepped the 'holohoax'. This conversation is over.
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 01:06 PM
I was apologising for starting a new thread on a subject that is discussed in almost every other thread. Nothing to do with apologising for my curiosity.
I would just like a summary of the basic points/evidence.
I consider myself open-minded and I've never encountered so many people who blame the jews/jewish government as I have on here and I suppose I'm just a bit confused by it all.
Why don't you do a bit of research? ie. have a look at those threads you mention and consider the information therein.
The answers to your questions are already in those threads - no need for repetition.
There's an informative thread on the holohoax as well.
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 01:08 PM
Start here, should give you an idea of what HUGE liars they are.
http://www.nazigassings.com/
It's also a good way of avoiding Icke's 'rothschild zionist' BS.
Holohoax will make you understand what so called 'normal' jews are capable of, on mass.
Care to expand on this? I'm not doubting you (I think we're all being played) just interested in you take on it.
Care to expand on this? I'm not doubting you (I think we're all being played) just interested in you take on it.
Thanks, I'll answer your question with some questions of my own if I may.
How exactly do you arrest and deport a 'rothschild zionist'?
What would Icke tell the police squad before a possible raid on the bad guys?
How are we to recognize a 'rothschild zionist? Do they carry identification cards, or is this just an obvious attempt to give people a handle to exchange for 'jew'?
And it was very clever of 'rothschild zionists' to build a time machine in order to genocide all those tribes in the old testament, write about how to abuse kids in their holy book, kill jesus and stir up trouble in the Iberian peninsula during the medieval period. Not to mention the constant misery they caused throughout history with usuary.
Damn those 'rothschild zionists', they're so sneaky.
It's like saying to asterix that the romans aren't the problem, it's just a few guys at the top.
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 02:10 PM
Thanks, I'll answer your question with some questions of my own if I may.
How exactly do you arrest and deport a 'rothschild zionist'?
What would Icke tell the police squad before a possible raid on the bad guys?
How are we to recognize a 'rothschild zionist? Do they carry identification cards, or is this just an obvious attempt to give people a handle to exchange for 'jew'?
And it was very clever of 'rothschild zionists' to build a time machine in order to genocide all those tribes in the old testament, write about how to abuse kids in their holy book, kill jesus and stir up trouble in the Iberian peninsula during the medieval period. Not to mention the constant misery they caused throughout history with usuary.
Damn those 'rothschild zionists', they're so sneaky.
It's like saying to asterix that the romans aren't the problem, it's just a few guys at the top.
Well I guess I don't need to answer those questions individually, I take your point!
When I read the quotes made by world famous men throughout history, from Cicero to Martin Luther to Chruchill, it is clearly stated that it is jews who have been responsible for may of the problems this world has endured. Calling them zionists side steps the problems that would come with calling them what they are - very clever to arrange things so that people are forced to see the jews as victims and feel that they are unable to discuss any topic that may put the jews in a bad light so they stfu rather than looking at what's staring them in the face.
History has been hijacked! And people are no longer able to think and seem to have lost any courage they may have once had. There are 3 main problems:-
1. People do not take personal responsibility and so do not hold their govs to account.
2. People are generally acting like children and need to grow the f*ck up!
3. Some people have evolved, many have not. The latter are dragging the former down and preventing them from doing something about what they know to be true.
I think there are many 'players' in this conspiracy business. Tptb have always controlled the media and the printing press, why would the internet be any different?
Why did Icke go from being a footballer in a small time club to a main TV presenter? Who did he know in order to get that job?
I see television as one big stage - I think all the main presenters, and especially political correspondents, are in someone's pay and simply play out a script for us. "All the world's a stage" - how true! It's all theatre, including the internet.
It would be sensible for tptb to get someone on board who is recognisabe and then get them to start telling some real truths (that may come out eventually anyway) but mix that in with some ridiculous claims so that when people begin to question and the truth begins to come out they can then get their patsies in the media to say 'oh that's that guy who goes on about reptilians so what he is saying can't be true'. And then the truth gets associated with loony claims in people's minds.
They've done a similar thing with the word 'conspiracy'. Even though we know what that means and that it can accurately describe a situation whereby people in power are planning together how to destroy or undermine another group/person, it has now been so inexorably linked with 'conspiracy theorist' which in turn has been inexorably linked with 'nutter' that we now have a situation where a 'conspiracy' cannot be discussed without the general populaton making the inevitable connection to 'nutter'. So what other word can we use to replace the word 'conspiracy'? Not easy is it?
Well I guess I don't need to answer those questions individually, I take your point!
When I read the quotes made by world famous men throughout history, from Cicero to Martin Luther to Chruchill, it is clearly stated that it is jews who have been responsible for may of the problems this world has endured. Calling them zionists side steps the problems that would come with calling them what they are - very clever to arrange things so that people are forced to see the jews as victims and feel that they are unable to discuss any topic that may put the jews in a bad light so they stfu rather than looking at what's staring them in the face.
History has been hijacked! And people are no longer able to think and seem to have lost any courage they may have once had. There are 3 main problems:-
1. People do not take personal responsibility and so do not hold their govs to account.
2. People are generally acting like children and need to grow the f*ck up!
3. Some people have evolved, many have not. The latter are dragging the former down and preventing them from doing something about what they know to be true.
I think there are many 'players' in this conspiracy business. Tptb have always controlled the media and the printing press, why would the internet be any different?
Why did Icke go from being a footballer in a small time club to a main TV presenter? Who did he know in order to get that job?
I see television as one big stage - I think all the main presenters, and especially political correspondents, are in someone's pay and simply play out a script for us. "All the world's a stage" - how true! It's all theatre, including the internet.
It would be sensible for tptb to get someone on board who is recognisabe and then get them to start telling some real truths (that may come out eventually anyway) but mix that in with some ridiculous claims so that when people begin to question and the truth begins to come out they can then get their patsies in the media to say 'oh that's that guy who goes on about reptilians so what he is saying can't be true'. And then the truth gets associated with loony claims in people's minds.
They've done a similar thing with the word 'conspiracy'. Even though we know what that means and that it can accurately describe a situation whereby people in power are planning together how to destroy or undermine another group/person, it has now been so inexorably linked with 'conspiracy theorist' which in turn has been inexorably linked with 'nutter' that we now have a situation where a 'conspiracy' cannot be discussed without the general populaton making the inevitable connection to 'nutter'. So what other word can we use to replace the word 'conspiracy'? Not easy is it?
Great post, I agree with it all.
meksar
12-05-2010, 02:28 PM
Two Jewish Lesbians in a Row ??
The nomination of the unsightly Solicitor General, Elena Kagan, to the Supreme Court signals that the Illuminati satanic cult that governs America intends to use government institutions to enslave Americans.
http://www.henrymakow.com/obama_picks_two_jewish_lesbian.html
meksar
12-05-2010, 02:43 PM
The Zionist/Elitist Jews have a track record of going into other people's countries and taking over their systems by bribery, fraud, deception and murder. Hollywood is a very clever way they shape and direct the way people see things throughout the world. Jews always cry anti-semitism when exposed for what they are,but yet they show blacks,arabs,asians and others in a most disrespectful way.
The Jews have a sense of "entitlement" because they believe that they are the only people that have been persecuted in history. The truth is, that while it is true that many countries have had to put up with a group of people that are inherently crooked, a group of people that have corrupted Governments, claimed land illegally, and have led the economies of many countries into the gutter due to the dubious financial dealings. It is simply no secret any longer,it is very easy to find out the truth. This is why the likes of Jay Rockefeller and Peter Mandelson are introducing more censorship and Zionist control of the internet.
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 03:00 PM
Great post, I agree with it all.
So do I take it that's where you were coming from orginally?
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 03:01 PM
The Zionist/Elitist Jews have a track record of going into other people's countries and taking over their systems by bribery, fraud, deception and murder. Hollywood is a very clever way they shape and direct the way people see things throughout the world. Jews always cry anti-semitism when exposed for what they are,but yet they show blacks,arabs,asians and others in a most disrespectful way.
The Jews have a sense of "entitlement" because they believe that they are the only people that have been persecuted in history. The truth is, that while it is true that many countries have had to put up with a group of people that are inherently crooked, a group of people that have corrupted Governments, claimed land illegally, and have led the economies of many countries into the gutter due to the dubious financial dealings. It is simply no secret any longer,it is very easy to find out the truth. This is why the likes of Jay Rockefeller and Peter Mandelson are introducing more censorship and Zionist control of the internet.
Completely agree!
mark1963
12-05-2010, 03:04 PM
Thanks, I'll answer your question with some questions of my own if I may.
How exactly do you arrest and deport a 'rothschild zionist'?
What would Icke tell the police squad before a possible raid on the bad guys?
How are we to recognize a 'rothschild zionist? Do they carry identification cards, or is this just an obvious attempt to give people a handle to exchange for 'jew'?
And it was very clever of 'rothschild zionists' to build a time machine in order to genocide all those tribes in the old testament, write about how to abuse kids in their holy book, kill jesus and stir up trouble in the Iberian peninsula during the medieval period. Not to mention the constant misery they caused throughout history with usuary.
Damn those 'rothschild zionists', they're so sneaky.
It's like saying to asterix that the romans aren't the problem, it's just a few guys at the top.
After reading the Protocols and looking at some damning videos on the Holohoax, I would agree that the Jews are to blame for much of what is happening. It's in plain sight.
I do have a problem though - is it all Jews? I've worked with some and they support Israel but without a deep understanding of why.
What about David Icke? Is he the controlled "loony" opposition?
Conspiracy = Reptilian = LMFAO - is that it?
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 03:21 PM
After reading the Protocols and looking at some damning videos on the Holohoax, I would agree that the Jews are to blame for much of what is happening. It's in plain sight.
I do have a problem though - is it all Jews? I've worked with some and they support Israel but without a deep understanding of why.
What about David Icke? Is he the controlled "loony" opposition?
Conspiracy = Reptilian = LMFAO - is that it?
I personally don't think it is all jews by any means. Some are completely unaware but will probably circle the wagons if need be.
I think the 'real' jews (those not from Khazar) are probably different - they seem to be anti-zionist and do not like what Israel are doing. They even waited for Armadinijhad outside the nuclear conference to praise him.
And as for Israel itself - remember for real power you need a state!
So do I take it that's where you were coming from originally?
Yes, I think so. I like to look at things from an historical perspective.
Do you know that the spanish/medieval inquisition was a hoax by the jews also? There's not a lot of info on this, here's a link:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0075.html
(The author fails to understand usury as a cause for continual anti-semitism but it makes interesting reading none the less).
The 'medieval inquisition' was against 'cathartists' which is another way of describing 'devil worshippers'.
The 'spanish inquisition' was created to remove the 'convertos' jews from power in southern Spain.
Then via the masons (martin luther) and the new printing technology the whole false black history of the inquisition was fabricated by the jews as revenge for these expulsions.
Does this sound plausible?
eternal_spirit
12-05-2010, 04:01 PM
Sounds familiar... school... history class.... WWII.... Hitler...
Yes what a one sided version we got programmed with.
You may like this here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058881197&postcount=163
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058881216&postcount=164
Read this too, only take 5/10 mins to read all three links http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=301 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1215912&postcount=301)
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I consider myself open-minded and I've never encountered so many people who blame the jews/jewish government as I have on here and I suppose I'm just a bit confused by it all.
Okay fair enough you are asking in a nice way and not whining.
What I will say is not an attack on you :)
My Join Date: Jan 2007. There's been as many threads about Nazis as Jews and one's blaming whites Brits/Catholics/Europeans etc for all the world's evils.
Just that no one has ever once started a thread (I can remember) complaining that the groups I named are blamed or how racist etc it is to blame whites ALL the time.
There has been hundreds of threads moaning about anti semitism - Jew threads. (Double standards and hypocrisy of the highest order)
Means that many here think it's cool to blame whites (and not racist) yet they think it's racist to blame Jews.:rolleyes:
After reading the Protocols and looking at some damning videos on the Holohoax, I would agree that the Jews are to blame for much of what is happening. It's in plain sight.
I do have a problem though - is it all Jews? I've worked with some and they support Israel but without a deep understanding of why.
What about David Icke? Is he the controlled "loony" opposition?
Conspiracy = Reptilian = LMFAO - is that it?
Is it all jews?
No, there are jews who speak out. They are brave for doing so because death threats follow (David Cole for example).
However, as I've stated regarding the holohoax, when you realise that millions of jews (and their families) were willing to take part in such a monstrous act it doesn't look good for the jewish race as a whole.
I wouldn't rule out the possibilty of genetic traits even if I think it's more likely to be social conditioning/ environment/religion.
As you say, Icke is the controlled 'loony' opposition. That's why he's the only alternative big-wig allowed to discuss revisionism.
Similarly Is Jeff Rense allowed to talk about the holohoax because he has the most stupid clown hair imaginable?
Incidentally, did anyone else see the thread today that was quickly removed?
It was from an X-mod (here for about a year they said) who was accusing the people running this forum of reading private messages in an attempt to usurp a build up of anti-semitic feeling.
I wonder how this relates to 'The Jewish Conspiracy' and DI?
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 04:56 PM
Yes, I think so. I like to look at things from an historical perspective.
Do you know that the spanish/medieval inquisition was a hoax by the jews also? There's not a lot of info on this, here's a link:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0075.html
(The author fails to understand usury as a cause for continual anti-semitism but it makes interesting reading none the less).
The 'medieval inquisition' was against 'cathartists' which is another way of describing 'devil worshippers'.
The 'spanish inquisition' was created to remove the 'convertos' jews from power in southern Spain.
Then via the masons (martin luther) and the new printing technology the whole false black history of the inquisition was fabricated by the jews as revenge for these expulsions.
Does this sound plausible?
Yes it sounds plausible. The more I look into this the more it seems obvious that most events of any significance has the involvement of the international jews.
In many cases they are the engineers of such events and all too often they involve gentiles as well who are mesmerised by what's on offer - the jews know how to tempt the useful idiots by pandering to their greed and lust for power.
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 05:01 PM
Yes what a one sided version we got programmed with.
You may like this here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058881197&postcount=163
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058881216&postcount=164
Read this too, only take 5/10 mins to read all three links http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=301 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1215912&postcount=301)
Okay fair enough you are asking in a nice way and not whining.
What I will say is not an attack on you :)
My Join Date: Jan 2007. There's been as many threads about Nazis as Jews and one's blaming whites Brits/Catholics/Europeans etc for all the world's evils.
Just that no one has ever once started a thread (I can remember) complaining that the groups I named are blamed or how racist etc it is to blame whites ALL the time.
There has been hundreds of threads moaning about anti semitism - Jew threads. (Double standards and hypocrisy of the highest order)
Means that many here think it's cool to blame whites (and not racist) yet they think it's racist to blame Jews.:rolleyes:
So easily brainwashed! The deniers will be along shortly to tell us how moronic we are and what utter losers we are and what racists we are. They will try to make out that we are stupid as well as being anti-semitic - that's a laugh coz most of the semites in Israel are the Palestinians!
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 05:03 PM
Is it all jews?
No, there are jews who speak out. They are brave for doing so because death threats follow (David Cole for example).
However, as I've stated regarding the holohoax, when you realise that millions of jews (and their families) were willing to take part in such a monstrous act it doesn't look good for the jewish race as a whole.
I wouldn't rule out the possibilty of genetic traits even if I think it's more likely to be social conditioning/ environment/religion.
As you say, Icke is the controlled 'loony' opposition. That's why he's the only alternative big-wig allowed to discuss revisionism.
Similarly Is Jeff Rense allowed to talk about the holohoax because he has the most stupid clown hair imaginable?
Lol
ladygoogoo
12-05-2010, 06:04 PM
Not all people who practice Judaism are bad/evil. To demonize a race
or group of people is textbook and dangerous.
But do people who proclaim themselves Jewish as a rule do things and think things that lend the typical stereotype finger pointing, I found.
Ok so "they" were persecuted beyond the pall by Hitler, Mussolini, et al.
Then they move to Palestine and begin genocide against Palenstinian people
who are now classified as less than human (sound familiar).
I been there. I saw the racism and experienced it in Tel Aviv and Haifa
while visiting there in late 80s. Arabs were told to stay out of Jewish
businesses and spat on and called animals.
A news report on agribusiness shutdown by Feds in an illegal raid highlights a Jewish family (orthodox) they are suffering terribly because the raid
shut down the plant, the plant hired illegals, the illegals all went back
to Guatemala. They can't sell their wares to illegals anymore.
Do they want my sympathy? Can you imagine how much they charged
for bread or milk??? They took up shop there to take advantage of
the illegals. That's obvious.
I ran afoul of a jewish woman who thought herself the chosen people in town. She used me like a slave and treated me terribly (which with hindsight I realize I allowed her to). I was caught up in the glamor of the job at the time and believed all my work gave me a stake in the company. How wrong
I was. She kept me down every chance she got. She lies, she threatens and puts downs. She's a horror show. The only thing she cares about is power and dominion. When I would no longer be her personal slave for her business (she stopped paying me no matter how much work I did I could not satisfy her demands). I was so brainwashed I felt if I quit her I would die. But finally I could not take anymore (other's complain she is abusive but I was
proud of how much I could put up with!)
She started a process of destroying my reputation with the whole town
that I was crazy and blacklisted me in the nearby city in my industry
not to hire me. She is very good at getting something for nothing and
when ANYONE does not do as she bids she screams anti-semitism.
If people cross her she calls them crazy or makes accusations (never
files charges) that that person stole from her. Her latest rant against
people is "fraud".
I lost a lot of work because of her and when I took her to court
she lied and created intimidation with her other cronies that
is outrageous. She also claimed I was vindictive for asking for
money she owed me. I have sent the IRS against her now and she
is so mad she could spit nails because while she had weight influence
in the state government she didn't have any leverage with feds.
I gotta tell you guys. I was not raised to be a bigot and I never
"hated" nor had any ill will toward Jewish people as a whole but
after my experience personal in Israel and with this woman and
other Jewish people I really have no love for them anymore. I
am very wary to ever work for them nor befriend them. You will
give a lot more than you get if you do. They are very manipulative
and they laugh behind your back at how stupid you are to fall
for their tricks. They are very crafty people and it's all about them.
It's absurd but my experience in the "world" with Jewish people has
led me to be very wary of them. I don't trust them and if I have
to deal with them PUT EVERYTHING in writing. The ones I dealt with will try
to screw you every chance they get and then blame YOU for
being so dumb "you can't prove it" they scream.
It's not worth it. They will be so sweet at first to lure you in, make
tons of promises they have zero intention of keeping.
I didn't listen. I didn't want to believe what people say about them
because it is so negative. But I lived it and I don't trust them.
Everything will be for their benefit if you do business with them.
Friendship? That's a laugh. As soon as I wasn't useful to these
people anymore I was thrown to the wolves. And the lies
you cannot even believe anyone who is not a sociopath would
have the lack of conscience to do that to anyone.
But I learned the hard way.
So if you want to believe this is all anti-semitism on this forum go ahead.
But two and two are four no matter how many times a Jew tells you it's five and you owe him ONE.
freedom1st
12-05-2010, 07:10 PM
But do people who proclaim themselves Jewish as a rule do things and think things that lend the typical stereotype finger pointing, I found.
Ok so "they" were persecuted beyond the pall by Hitler, Mussolini, et al..
As were many other groups and some suffered far more than the jews, but all we ever hear about is the jewish suffering.
mark1963
12-05-2010, 09:04 PM
Is it all jews?
No, there are jews who speak out. They are brave for doing so because death threats follow (David Cole for example).
However, as I've stated regarding the holohoax, when you realise that millions of jews (and their families) were willing to take part in such a monstrous act it doesn't look good for the jewish race as a whole.
I wouldn't rule out the possibilty of genetic traits even if I think it's more likely to be social conditioning/ environment/religion.
As you say, Icke is the controlled 'loony' opposition. That's why he's the only alternative big-wig allowed to discuss revisionism.
Similarly Is Jeff Rense allowed to talk about the holohoax because he has the most stupid clown hair imaginable?
DI - I watched the Earth Mother Goddess video and Arizona Wilder's body language was so off when it came to actually talking about the reptilians and rituals that I found her hard to believe.
DI - is it more than a hunch?
Rense - lol
stopthemadness
12-05-2010, 10:37 PM
The 'medieval inquisition' was against 'cathartists' which is another way of describing 'devil worshippers'.
Please correct that to Satan worshippers. Satan is the adversary of the Old Testament god known as Yahweh. Any entity in opposition to Yahweh was known as Satan.
The Gnostic Cathars were VERY ascetic, meaning they did not partake in the pleasures of the Earth. True Cathars, the prefect (priestly class) were celibate, vegetarian, did not consume alcohol, and never killed ANYTHING-including enemies. In doing so they hoped to transcend the Laws of Karma that rule this reality. If they did not commit sins against Yahweh's laws, then there was no reason Yahweh could hold them here against their will. They were beyond pacifists. Non-prefect Cathars did hire mercenaries for protection. Some nobility who were sympathetic to the Cathars did wage war with opposing forces.
Devil-worshipping (as in embracing & enjoying evil) and Satan-worshipping (as in opposition to the jealous control-freak demigod known as Yahweh) are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES.
BTW, they did not refer to the True Creator as Satan. They professed to follow the True Good God of Love.
Please correct that to Satan worshippers. Satan is the adversary of the Old Testament god known as Yahweh. Any entity in opposition to Yahweh was known as Satan.
The Gnostic Cathars were VERY ascetic, meaning they did not partake in the pleasures of the Earth. True Cathars, the prefect (priestly class) were celibate, vegetarian, did not consume alcohol, and never killed ANYTHING-including enemies. In doing so they hoped to transcend the Laws of Karma that rule this reality. If they did not commit sins against Yahweh's laws, then there was no reason Yahweh could hold them here against their will. They were beyond pacifists. Non-prefect Cathars did hire mercenaries for protection. Some nobility who were sympathetic to the Cathars did wage war with opposing forces.
Devil-worshipping (as in embracing & enjoying evil) and Satan-worshipping (as in opposition to the jealous control-freak demigod known as Yahweh) are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES.
BTW, they did not refer to the True Creator as Satan. They professed to follow the True Good God of Love.
Thanks for info.
Isn't satan the devil? I thought he was, others agree.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04764a.htm
I'm a little confused by your answer. My point was that they were worshipping lucifer, which rather got the churches back up as you can imagine.
stopthemadness
13-05-2010, 03:32 AM
No, the Cathars did not worship Lucifer. You are thinking of the Templars who became the Masons, who originally worshiped Baphomet. Lucifer is considered the angel who brought enlightenment to man. You are letting that Brown novel Da Vinci Code muddle the waters. In a weird circular argument you are correct. But it's a looping path that ultimately reveals All is One.
Satan = any adversary to Old Testament Yahweh.
Devil = Dualistic evil to creation, or the Liar, or the Error, or the Whore, or Isis, or many other names. It is this Devil that has made life so "unusual" for light workers trying to salvage this reality. This is the entity that you are commonly thinking of as Satan. BTW, the Error is female in energy.
Lucifer = light bringer = serpent from the Garden (although some would argue the Jesus Logos personifies this).
If you adhere to "orthodox" interpretation then Lucifer is the fallen angel who refused to bow to humans (in direct opposition to Yahweh's command).
This is erroneous. Samael is actually the angel in question. Sometimes Samael is interpreted as the angel of death (the Grim Reaper) who is sent to do Yahweh's dirty work. Older doctrines have Samael as the fallen angel.
To answer your question, the Cathars' god was considered to be the true creator of the universe. But, by the universal law of free will, this god allowed the Demiurge known as Yahweh to create this sub-reality.
Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. The goddess Sophia (Mother Nature, Virgin Mary etc.) co-created this reality with Yahweh without permission from the Ultimate Source (True God, All, Source, whatever you want to call the Creator).
One of Sophia's creations was Yahweh who, in turn, created this reality. The True Creator (now realizing Sophia's Error) has been sending light (love), messengers (Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc.), and information to help those who are trapped here to escape back to a realm of free will without the biased Karmic rules found here.
It is against his (Creator's) own rules of creation to interfere with the free will of Sophia or Yahweh. But, at the same time, he himself is free to "illuminate" the path out of this reality for others. This makes True Source the Satan of the Old Testament. But the Error wants (or at least wanted) to keep as many here as possible. Lucifer can be interpreted as the bringer of "true" knowledge in this respect. That is why ORIGINAL Christianity was, in fact, Gnosticism. Jesus is considered the bringer of TRUTH by the Cathars and other Gnostics. The Gnostics really are the True Christians. That is why the Dark Forces of the Error took control of the Catholic Church in it's infancy. Lucifer could be interpreted as Jesus in this philosophy.
Yahweh has realized the error of this creation as well. He regrets creating for the Error and now serves the All of Creation. He sealed the Error and all those within this reality because he had the power to do so (another oversight by the Error). Sealing the Error is insufficient. It is a temporary fix. This is where the human concept of Heaven & Hell originated. Those with Yahweh experience Heaven. Those with the Whore experience Hell. But ultimately the Whore must accept correction and be re-assimilated into Source. She cannot be destroyed nor allowed to die. This would violate creation and harm all of us. Until we transcend this reality we will not understand this dynamic in full.
Source = All = ultimate creator might be well construed as Satan to many, especially in the 12th century (height of Cathar "heresy").
Yahweh = Demiurge of Sophia = God of Abraham, now cognizant of Source after falsely believing he was the ultimate source of power in creation. Yahweh is VERY disappointed in creating a fertile ground for the Whore to flourish. But, because Yahweh is not Source, he has tried for millennium to banish the Whore. The "war in Heaven" myth stems from this conflict within Yahweh. Sealing her in Hell has, until recently, been his only option. Now, Yahweh has become cognizant of Source. So the old concept of Heaven & Hell no longer applies. It is more a concept of trapped vs. free to go "up" now. Yahweh is very much anti-new-world-order. The Jews broke their covenant eons ago & Source has now revealed his presence. The Error is the power who is promulgating Zionism & global fascism, not Yahweh. Sorry to the Judaic followers here, but you are no more/less special than any of the rest of us.
Devil = Error = Liar = Sophia = Isis = creator of this particular reality (via Yahweh).
To complicate things further, the Kabbalah followers have created their own "egregore" that is often thought of as Yahweh. This egregore is not Yahweh. But it is powerful enough (through blood sacrifice & prayer) to perform what humans would consider miracles or divine actions. Hermetic magic stems from this line of thought. The Masons have fallen in part for this false entity.
Who haven't I explained? Baphomet? This half-goat-half-man is commonly associated with the Devil or Satan. Neither is fully correct. Baphomet is Source in disguise. If you can accept a goat-headed god as the bringer of True Love then you are ready for Truth. Don't let Baphomet fool you. He is nothing more than Source testing the internal intuition of humans. Those who feel his love recognize him as Source immediately. So I guess you could call Baphomet by the name Satan or Source or Adversary as well.
Remember, just as evolution plays out biologically here on Earth, so does spiritual evolution play out in the unseen realms. Spirits evolve, including "gods."
Yahweh is aware of Truth. The Whore is also aware of her Error. True Creator is siding with good. The Whore understands & wants correction. This is easier said than done.
In reality, all that is needed is for those who have forgotten creation to remember their divine origins. Once that happens this reality is over & we all ascend to higher dimensions. Love, not hate, must be sent to the Whore so that all of Creation can be healed. Otherwise all of us remain trapped.
I hope that helps.
If not then you are on your own. Sorry, but I can't simplify it any more than that.
No, the Cathars did not worship Lucifer. You are thinking of the Templars who became the Masons, who originally worshiped Baphomet. Lucifer is considered the angel who brought enlightenment to man. You are letting that Brown novel Da Vinci Code muddle the waters. In a weird circular argument you are correct. But it's a looping path that ultimately reveals All is One.
Satan = any adversary to Old Testament Yahweh.
Devil = Dualistic evil to creation, or the Liar, or the Error, or the Whore, or Isis, or many other names. It is this Devil that has made life so "unusual" for light workers trying to salvage this reality. This is the entity that you are commonly thinking of as Satan. BTW, the Error is female in energy.
Lucifer = light bringer = serpent from the Garden (although some would argue the Jesus Logos personifies this).
If you adhere to "orthodox" interpretation then Lucifer is the fallen angel who refused to bow to humans (in direct opposition to Yahweh's command).
This is erroneous. Samael is actually the angel in question. Sometimes Samael is interpreted as the angel of death (the Grim Reaper) who is sent to do Yahweh's dirty work. Older doctrines have Samael as the fallen angel.
To answer your question, the Cathars' god was considered to be the true creator of the universe. But, by the universal law of free will, this god allowed the Demiurge known as Yahweh to create this sub-reality.
Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. The goddess Sophia (Mother Nature, Virgin Mary etc.) co-created this reality with Yahweh without permission from the Ultimate Source (True God, All, Source, whatever you want to call the Creator).
One of Sophia's creations was Yahweh who, in turn, created this reality. The True Creator (now realizing Sophia's Error) has been sending light (love), messengers (Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc.), and information to help those who are trapped here to escape back to a realm of free will without the biased Karmic rules found here.
It is against his (Creator's) own rules of creation to interfere with the free will of Sophia or Yahweh. But, at the same time, he himself is free to "illuminate" the path out of this reality for others. This makes True Source the Satan of the Old Testament. But the Error wants (or at least wanted) to keep as many here as possible. Lucifer can be interpreted as the bringer of "true" knowledge in this respect. That is why ORIGINAL Christianity was, in fact, Gnosticism. Jesus is considered the bringer of TRUTH by the Cathars and other Gnostics. The Gnostics really are the True Christians. That is why the Dark Forces of the Error took control of the Catholic Church in it's infancy. Lucifer could be interpreted as Jesus in this philosophy.
Yahweh has realized the error of this creation as well. He regrets creating for the Error and now serves the All of Creation. He sealed the Error and all those within this reality because he had the power to do so (another oversight by the Error). Sealing the Error is insufficient. It is a temporary fix. This is where the human concept of Heaven & Hell originated. Those with Yahweh experience Heaven. Those with the Whore experience Hell. But ultimately the Whore must accept correction and be re-assimilated into Source. She cannot be destroyed nor allowed to die. This would violate creation and harm all of us. Until we transcend this reality we will not understand this dynamic in full.
Source = All = ultimate creator might be well construed as Satan to many, especially in the 12th century (height of Cathar "heresy").
Yahweh = Demiurge of Sophia = God of Abraham, now cognizant of Source after falsely believing he was the ultimate source of power in creation. Yahweh is VERY disappointed in creating a fertile ground for the Whore to flourish. But, because Yahweh is not Source, he has tried for millennium to banish the Whore. The "war in Heaven" myth stems from this conflict within Yahweh. Sealing her in Hell has, until recently, been his only option. Now, Yahweh has become cognizant of Source. So the old concept of Heaven & Hell no longer applies. It is more a concept of trapped vs. free to go "up" now. Yahweh is very much anti-new-world-order. The Jews broke their covenant eons ago & Source has now revealed his presence. The Error is the power who is promulgating Zionism & global fascism, not Yahweh. Sorry to the Judaic followers here, but you are no more/less special than any of the rest of us.
Devil = Error = Liar = Sophia = Isis = creator of this particular reality (via Yahweh).
To complicate things further, the Kabbalah followers have created their own "egregore" that is often thought of as Yahweh. This egregore is not Yahweh. But it is powerful enough (through blood sacrifice & prayer) to perform what humans would consider miracles or divine actions. Hermetic magic stems from this line of thought. The Masons have fallen in part for this false entity.
Who haven't I explained? Baphomet? This half-goat-half-man is commonly associated with the Devil or Satan. Neither is fully correct. Baphomet is Source in disguise. If you can accept a goat-headed god as the bringer of True Love then you are ready for Truth. Don't let Baphomet fool you. He is nothing more than Source testing the internal intuition of humans. Those who feel his love recognize him as Source immediately. So I guess you could call Baphomet by the name Satan or Source or Adversary as well.
Remember, just as evolution plays out biologically here on Earth, so does spiritual evolution play out in the unseen realms. Spirits evolve, including "gods."
Yahweh is aware of Truth. The Whore is also aware of her Error. True Creator is siding with good. The Whore understands & wants correction. This is easier said than done.
In reality, all that is needed is for those who have forgotten creation to remember their divine origins. Once that happens this reality is over & we all ascend to higher dimensions. Love, not hate, must be sent to the Whore so that all of Creation can be healed. Otherwise all of us remain trapped.
I hope that helps.
If not then you are on your own. Sorry, but I can't simplify it any more than that.
I appreciate your attempt to educate me on the subtleties of the lucifer/devil legends.
First, you say the Cathars didn't worship lucifer but "In a weird circular argument you are correct"
I can see why the Cathars had a hard time defending themselves in this department ;)
"You are letting that Brown novel Da Vinci Code muddle the waters"
I have never read the book or seen the film. I suppose it could have influenced me but I don't know how.
"The goddess Sophia (Mother Nature, Virgin Mary etc.) co-created this reality with Yahweh without permission from the Ultimate Source (True God, All, Source, whatever you want to call the Creator)."
However most of what you say is conjecture and unprovable. I fail to see how anyone could know the above statement to be true for example.
"Sorry to the Judaic followers here, but you are no more/less special than any of the rest of us."
"In reality, all that is needed is for those who have forgotten creation to remember their divine origins."
I agree.
"Remember, just as evolution plays out biologically here on Earth, so does spiritual evolution play out in the unseen realms. Spirits evolve, including "gods.""
Er... evolution was a jewish lie and has been proved to be so with science. Maybe you want to rethink your statement, especially if you wish to see the creator back on the agenda.
I believe in the 'Creator' because we live in a 'creation'. The Devil/lucifer whatever you want to call it could exist solely in the mind of man. There is no evidence for anything other than the Creator. Evil is in the running away from the Creator.
The further you run the more evil you get (i.e further from sun, colder you get).
That's my philosophy, it's simple, based on evidence and easily repeatable to anyone that's listening.
dmcer
17-05-2010, 04:18 PM
The reason I signed up to these forums was to reply to this thread. 1st post Hi all.
Well, unless I've missed it, nobody seems to have mentioned the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm).
Genuine or Fake, it seems to explain the world I live in today, considering it is supposedly over 100 years old. If you've not heard of the protocols before, please take some time to take a look. For me, it holds more answers to the madness of the moden world than anything else I've studied to date.
The reason I signed up to these forums was to reply to this thread. 1st post Hi all.
Well, unless I've missed it, nobody seems to have mentioned the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm).
Genuine or Fake, it seems to explain the world I live in today, considering it is supposedly over 100 years old. If you've not heard of the protocols before, please take some time to take a look. For me, it holds more answers to the madness of the moden world than anything else I've studied to date.
The 'protocols' are indeed accurate, enough to make you physically ill while reading them. I believe the translator had the same problem and could only work in short bursts.
princess_david
20-05-2010, 09:46 AM
Incidentally, did anyone else see the thread today that was quickly removed?
It was from an X-mod (here for about a year they said) who was accusing the people running this forum of reading private messages in an attempt to usurp a build up of anti-semitic feeling.
I wonder how this relates to 'The Jewish Conspiracy' and DI?
Not related to me at all. Completely forgot about this thread.
It's gone proper mental though and hasn't answered any of the questions in my original post.
halliburton crusher
20-05-2010, 11:32 AM
ISRAEL DID 9/11/01
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20882
Zundel-Cole 2 of 3 - YouTube
Zundel-Cole 3 of 3 - YouTube
princess_david
20-05-2010, 05:38 PM
ISRAEL DID 9/11/01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCrhoXBQCeY
Could only watch this one. This whole theory requires such a massive leap of logic that it boggles me.
Why do these people think there was such a place as Auschwitz?
Why have guards at all?
tony le mesmer
20-05-2010, 10:45 PM
Its so dark all this, the desire for the jews to be blamed. To demonise a whole race of people.
I didn't expect to find it on this sort of site but this site is full of anti jewish ideas, real hatred. Real leaps over the evidence to paint a picture that isn't supported by proper objective evidence.
When you think of the evil that many of our grandparents fought to defend against in WW2, to then find people on here queing up to throw an arm round old uncle Adolf and look for ways we can artificially sell a Jew bogeyman to the people, is frankly sickening.
princess_david
21-05-2010, 09:17 AM
Its so dark all this, the desire for the jews to be blamed. To demonise a whole race of people.
I didn't expect to find it on this sort of site but this site is full of anti jewish ideas, real hatred. Real leaps over the evidence to paint a picture that isn't supported by proper objective evidence.
When you think of the evil that many of our grandparents fought to defend against in WW2, to then find people on here queing up to throw an arm round old uncle Adolf and look for ways we can artificially sell a Jew bogeyman to the people, is frankly sickening.
According to people on here, old uncle Adolf is part of the Jewish conspiracy.
astrochicken
21-05-2010, 10:12 AM
When you think of the evil that many of our grandparents fought to defend against in WW2, to then find people on here queing up to throw an arm round old uncle Adolf and look for ways we can artificially sell a Jew bogeyman to the people, is frankly sickening.
Don't you see the passing semblance to the
"coalition-of-the-willing vs. the axis-of-evil" reasoning behind afghanistan & iraq.
So the folks behind this are not the bogeymen??
http://alannothnagle.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/israeli-wall14.jpg
The more you research the subject matter and *unlearn* what you were taught in schools ie. educate yourself, then you'll find the complete opposite of what you were told is more believable.
I'm putting the finishing touches to a new song entitled
"whatever you do, don't blame the jew"
That line from the chorus, is my get-out-of-jail-free card, to fill up verses with all sorts of inconvenient truths.
meksar
21-05-2010, 01:23 PM
Young US Jews Alienated from Zionism
In 2003, several prominent Jewish philanthropists hired Republican pollster Frank Luntz to explain why American Jewish college students were not more vigorously rebutting campus criticism of Israel. In response, he unwittingly produced the most damning indictment of the organized American Jewish community that I have ever seen.
http://www.henrymakow.com/young_american_jews_alienated.html