Psychiatry is Bullshit

[whiteknightd]

So these are the questions that psychiatrists ask people to determine if they're "schizophrenic"

"Do you ever see things that aren't there? Do you ever smell things that aren't there? Do you ever hear things that aren't there?"

How stupid are these? So if i see something that others cannot then i'm schizophrenic? lol

so if i see something that others cannot it obviously exists. just because they cannot see it doesn't mean it's not there. the fact that they cannot see it is there issue lol. IMO most psychiatrists i've dealt with are borderline retarded. they just let the pharmaceutical companies define their practice and definitions of disorders. what a pile of bullshit.

here's the questions they ask to determine if someone is "bi-polar" lol

"Are you sometimes really happy and energetic, and then down others?" WTF? Yes, who isn't lol?

Then they try to prescribe medicine that makes people like zombies or kill themselves. And yet they think they're so "cutting edge".

Just thought i'd share my views from experience.

[whiteknightd]

One more thing regarding anti-depressants that they give out as candy (and some of these have only been on the market for a few years):

if you research any anti-depressants, it says "it is still actually unknown how it works, but it is THOUGHT to work this way...yada yada yada"

wtf? its like they just make the shit up to make money. shocking! (sarcasm)

[sh3lly]

One more thing regarding anti-depressants that they give out as candy (and some of these have only been on the market for a few years):

if you research any anti-depressants, it says "it is still actually unknown how it works, but it is THOUGHT to work this way...yada yada yada"

wtf? its like they just make the shit up to make money. shocking! (sarcasm)

lol that is true. I remember that when i was on them. i think a lot of psychiatry is BS but some is good. I think a lot of times they don't know what they're doing and just use outdated methods (like those questions you mentioned). it's still a relatively new field and one major problem is they won't look at deeper spiritual or supernatural issues that might be causing depression and anxiety.

[infinategood]

"""here's the questions they ask to determine if someone is "bi-polar" lol

"Are you sometimes really happy and energetic, and then down others?" WTF? Yes, who isn't lol?

Then they try to prescribe medicine that makes people like zombies or kill themselves. """

You hit it head on.........I know two people who committed suicide after being diagnosed as bi-polar and given drugs that made them miserable. Humans are meant to experience feelings and emotions ( I thought) and those who have feelings are now being pressured to feel inadequate or as if they are weird.

IT S BULLSHIT !!! great post

[1964]

Psychiatry EXPOSED! - YouTube

[whiteknightd]

lol that is true. I remember that when i was on them. i think a lot of psychiatry is BS but some is good. I think a lot of times they don't know what they're doing and just use outdated methods (like those questions you mentioned). it's still a relatively new field and one major problem is they won't look at deeper spiritual or supernatural issues that might be causing depression and anxiety.

true...it's like anything spiritual to them means you're delusional.

[whiteknightd]

"""here's the questions they ask to determine if someone is "bi-polar" lol

"Are you sometimes really happy and energetic, and then down others?" WTF? Yes, who isn't lol?

Then they try to prescribe medicine that makes people like zombies or kill themselves. """

You hit it head on.........I know two people who committed suicide after being diagnosed as bi-polar and given drugs that made them miserable. Humans are meant to experience feelings and emotions ( I thought) and those who have feelings are now being pressured to feel inadequate or as if they are weird.

IT S BULLSHIT !!! great post

exactly...it's so backwards its funny to me. once they label you, literally anything you do they will act like its not normal or symptomatic of a disorder. i've been in group therapy situations where several therapists will be looking at me if i'm fidgeting a little bit as if there's something wrong with me and then they do the same thing, if not worse, but it's okay because they don't have a "disorder".

it's such a label. once somebody labels you, thats the lense that they see you through. same thing with sexuality, race, etc. everybody is so pre-occupied with labels; when in actuality we are all one.

[eternal1stparty]

Psychiatry is SUCH bullshit.

[whiteknightd]

i think alot of the psychiatrists know that it is BS too...but they just play along because they're making money.

[trepidation]

Gotta sell those drugs.

[whiteknightd]

if people only knew...they are way too trusting and naive i suppose.

[gaias child]

It is the drugs that cause schizophrenia, shizophrenia does not exist, no one is born with it, people get given anti psychotics for trivial symptoms that you mentioned and then start having really bad symptoms on the drugs, I've seen it over and over.

There was a woman who wrote to the daily mail today saying she is schizophrenic but it was the drugs causing it, when she got off the drugs it was like waking up from a night mare.

Also I remember reading years ago that when they experiemented with anti psychotic drugs on rats, on autopsy the brains were shrivelled and damaged the same as schizophrenics brains on autopsy which made them wonder whether the drugs was causing the damage in schizophrenic brains.

The same stories can be said for depression too, load of info out there. No evidnce that ssri raise serotonin,but taking the drugs, do lower serotonin levels, it causes the problem it is supposed to treat, check out Peter Breggin etc

[whiteknightd]

go figure. the drugs just end up killing people. psychiatrists are the crazy ones lol. like hannibal lecter

[pegcityevolve]

My mom wants me to phone a counselor myself. I am having some spiritual and depression problems that I cannot talk to anybody about except the odd person here via post. She is a reality show buff and is on a lot of meds for diabetes, blood pressure, and cholesterol (even though I pretty much forced her to start taking organic whole-food nutrition tablets every day).

I don't know anybody to talk to ever since I read shit tonnes of information in the past year and a half. All my previous friends (well I moved three times, wide variety of types but mainly ego/party-based because of where I was raised) were apart of the new "ghetto ego" generation and party buffs. A few of them were very close vibrationally to take in this new info but they all fucked off somehow. I am pretty much isolated, it is hard for me to practice meditation anymore because I'm loosing motivation everyday. Nobody wants to be helped, but they all think I need some help now (I do, but not for their reasons/perceptions). Have no clue where any experienced gurus or whatever in my city.....I have a hard time communicating with people more than ever now It's like I can feel their energy but my heart chakra is greatly defused so it is awkward and then I have no grounding.

Sorry for spewing but this is honestly the only place I think I can let his out. I've tried many things......food is very hard to deal with as EVERYTHING seems to have a chemical that is bad. I have at least 50 pieces of orgonite everywhere. Honestly the only thing that gives me a short burst of happyness and vibrancy is a hoot of mary jane. And my cats. I am 18 and live with my mom, half sister, and step dad (who had severe bi-polar and rages until the past year as he is getting old but those 4-5 years sure let a mark on me).

[elirien]

My mom wants me to phone a counselor myself. I am having some spiritual and depression problems that I cannot talk to anybody about except the odd person here via post. She is a reality show buff and is on a lot of meds for diabetes, blood pressure, and cholesterol (even though I pretty much forced her to start taking organic whole-food nutrition tablets every day).

I don't know anybody to talk to ever since I read shit tonnes of information in the past year and a half. All my previous friends (well I moved three times, wide variety of types but mainly ego/party-based because of where I was raised) were apart of the new "ghetto ego" generation and party buffs. A few of them were very close vibrationally to take in this new info but they all fucked off somehow. I am pretty much isolated, it is hard for me to practice meditation anymore because I'm loosing motivation everyday. Nobody wants to be helped, but they all think I need some help now (I do, but not for their reasons/perceptions). Have no clue where any experienced gurus or whatever in my city.....I have a hard time communicating with people more than ever now It's like I can feel their energy but my heart chakra is greatly defused so it is awkward and then I have no grounding.

Sorry for spewing but this is honestly the only place I think I can let his out. I've tried many things......food is very hard to deal with as EVERYTHING seems to have a chemical that is bad. I have at least 50 pieces of orgonite everywhere. Honestly the only thing that gives me a short burst of happyness and vibrancy is a hoot of mary jane. And my cats. I am 18 and live with my mom, half sister, and step dad (who had severe bi-polar and rages until the past year as he is getting old but those 4-5 years sure let a mark on me).

Try this. After there is some peace in the house (perhaps at night or early in the morning) wash your hands and arms, face, ears and feet. Then sit down or lie down on your back and do absolutely nothing. Don't move and don't talk. If thoughts arise concentrate on your heartbeat for a short while. Listen to it ripple through your body.

If you like it or even get in utter terror (which is also interesting) try it again sometime. After a while you will see that it is not the feelings that control you but that you control the feelings. After that be depressed if you like or not. Be miserable or childishly joyful. It's up to you. Hormonal surges will happen now and then but you have found the secret to direct them wisely.

Bless you.

We would be very happy to listen to what you consider as a problem.

[elirien]

So these are the questions that psychiatrists ask people to determine if they're "schizophrenic"

"Do you ever see things that aren't there? Do you ever smell things that aren't there? Do you ever hear things that aren't there?"

How stupid are these? So if i see something that others cannot then i'm schizophrenic? lol


Who is more schizophrenic? The guy that drools over money or the one that sees it as paper with nice pictures on it?

[torus]

I dated a woman years ago whose stepfather was a psychiatrist. close minded pill pusher and an alcoholic too.

[sh3lly]

It is the drugs that cause schizophrenia, shizophrenia does not exist, no one is born with it, people get given anti psychotics for trivial symptoms that you mentioned and then start having really bad symptoms on the drugs, I've seen it over and over.

There was a woman who wrote to the daily mail today saying she is schizophrenic but it was the drugs causing it, when she got off the drugs it was like waking up from a night mare.

Also I remember reading years ago that when they experiemented with anti psychotic drugs on rats, on autopsy the brains were shrivelled and damaged the same as schizophrenics brains on autopsy which made them wonder whether the drugs was causing the damage in schizophrenic brains.

The same stories can be said for depression too, load of info out there. No evidnce that ssri raise serotonin,but taking the drugs, do lower serotonin levels, it causes the problem it is supposed to treat, check out Peter Breggin etc
I personally do think they raise serotonin levels based on a reaction I had in combination with something else. But, I feel they probably disrupt the melatonin or cause some other kind of imbalance and that can cause huge problems.

[deca]

Chemical Imbalance
Chemical Imbalance - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q9odRajmc0

People with depression are often told that they have a chemical imbalance despite the fact that there is no medical test to detect such an imbalance.

Instead medications that effect different brain chemicals are basically thrown at a person randomly, dosages are changes, different drugs are tried, multiple medications are tried and finally electroshock therapy is used if the person failed to respond to the antidepressants.

Sharon talks about her experience with her doctor and psychiatrists telling her she had a chemical imbalance. She originally was prescribed antidepressants by her doctor for depression and was later referred to psychiatry. Before it was over, she took medications for 12 years and probably tried dozens of different psychotropic drugs. All the time she got worse, became suicidal and decided to get herself off the medications.

Now she as been off medications for 2 years is emotionally stable and living a happy life

Truth About Antidepressants & Chemical Imbalance, Psychology
Truth About Antidepressants & Chemical Imbalance, Psychology - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIjOZq_AUeE

[lgeorge]

call a 3rd person - if they can't see it either.. it's probably you :)

[pegcityevolve]

Try this. After there is some peace in the house (perhaps at night or early in the morning) wash your hands and arms, face, ears and feet. Then sit down or lie down on your back and do absolutely nothing. Don't move and don't talk. If thoughts arise concentrate on your heartbeat for a short while. Listen to it ripple through your body.

If you like it or even get in utter terror (which is also interesting) try it again sometime. After a while you will see that it is not the feelings that control you but that you control the feelings. After that be depressed if you like or not. Be miserable or childishly joyful. It's up to you. Hormonal surges will happen now and then but you have found the secret to direct them wisely.

Bless you.

We would be very happy to listen to what you consider as a problem.Thank you so much for your advice. :)

The bless you helped a lot. :)

[pipsicle]

So these are the questions that psychiatrists ask people to determine if they're "schizophrenic"

"Do you ever see things that aren't there? Do you ever smell things that aren't there? Do you ever hear things that aren't there?"

How stupid are these? So if i see something that others cannot then i'm schizophrenic? lol

so if i see something that others cannot it obviously exists. just because they cannot see it doesn't mean it's not there. the fact that they cannot see it is there issue lol. IMO most psychiatrists i've dealt with are borderline retarded. they just let the pharmaceutical companies define their practice and definitions of disorders. what a pile of bullshit.

here's the questions they ask to determine if someone is "bi-polar" lol

"Are you sometimes really happy and energetic, and then down others?" WTF? Yes, who isn't lol?

Then they try to prescribe medicine that makes people like zombies or kill themselves. And yet they think they're so "cutting edge".

Just thought i'd share my views from experience.

It used to make sense until it became untethered from its biological underpinnings in the 1950's and effectively became removed from the field of medicine as described in

http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/5141PGKNF8L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU15_.jpg

Psychiatry has effectively has had a deleterious effect on the legal profession too.

[pipsicle]

It is the drugs that cause schizophrenia, shizophrenia does not exist, no one is born with it, people get given anti psychotics for trivial symptoms that you mentioned and then start having really bad symptoms on the drugs, I've seen it over and over.

etc


Hmm, Abram Hoffer claimed a 70% cure rate treating so-called "schizophrenics" with, amongst other things, high doses of niacin.

The APA buried his research. A fifth of their funding comes from drug companies and they can't afford any other treatment to prevail.

[kurupted_flesh]

Of course schizophrenia is a catch-all term used to label all types of unconventional, obscure and poorly understood thought patterns and behaviour, like everything in this bastardized, compartmentalization-based, spiritually-backwards culture of the west.

Terence Mckenna - Schizophrenic or Shamanic?
Terence Mckenna - Schizophrenic or Shamanic? - YouTube



A lot of the symptoms of schizophrenia are undoubtedly the result of the adrenal-stimulation and blood-sugar fluctuations caused by the world's favourite and most widely used drug - refined sugar, as well as white flour and all of the other crap we consume.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/is-it-schizophrenia-bipolar-disorder-neurosis-or-maybe-just-hypoglycemia-12514.html Is It Schizophrenia, Bipolar Disorder, Neurosis -- Or Maybe Just Hypoglycemia?

http://www.whale.to/a/dufty.html REFINED SUGAR The Sweetest Poison of All

Everything in this society-of-the-recessives is naturally geared towards gender-bending, hormone manipulation, melanin-distortion, spontaneity-destruction and ultimately, the destruction of your soul. Heed my words good people of the Icke forum, that is all I have for now.

[elirien]

Thank you so much for your advice. :)

The bless you helped a lot. :)

Thank you. So did you do it?

[gaias child]

Hmm, Abram Hoffer claimed a 70% cure rate treating so-called "schizophrenics" with, amongst other things, high doses of niacin.

The APA buried his research. A fifth of their funding comes from drug companies and they can't afford any other treatment to prevail.

He also claimed cutting out gluten and dairy reduced symptoms too which is same as autism

Allergies or deficiencies can cause processing problems, but I belive schizophrenia, is a made up name by the psychiatric profession to keep their power to prescribe dangerous drugs

[actaeons_revenge]

So these are the questions that psychiatrists ask people to determine if they're "schizophrenic"

"Do you ever see things that aren't there? Do you ever smell things that aren't there? Do you ever hear things that aren't there?"

How stupid are these? So if i see something that others cannot then i'm schizophrenic? lol

These questions are meant to figure out if you can see, smell, or hear aliens. If you do, then they discredit you with the "schizophrenia" label and shove their poison down your throat in the hopes that it will shut you up. And you know what "persistent symptoms" are? Symptoms that never go away despite being on their concoction. It's like they admit that their medicine isn't going to cure you!

Oh, and I got tagged with the schizophrenia label just because I asked if I was being audio monitored. That's a valid question when you're in a state hospital and you know that private hospitals admit to doing it. Bipolar is another bullshit disorder, too. It seems like if you express any anger you're automatically bipolar. Well, when shit pisses you off, you're gonna get angry. You've got to be a robot with these quacks to stay under their radar.

[whiteknightd]

These questions are meant to figure out if you can see, smell, or hear aliens. If you do, then they discredit you with the "schizophrenia" label and shove their poison down your throat in the hopes that it will shut you up. And you know what "persistent symptoms" are? Symptoms that never go away despite being on their concoction. It's like they admit that their medicine isn't going to cure you!

Oh, and I got tagged with the schizophrenia label just because I asked if I was being audio monitored. That's a valid question when you're in a state hospital and you know that private hospitals admit to doing it. Bipolar is another bullshit disorder, too. It seems like if you express any anger you're automatically bipolar. Well, when shit pisses you off, you're gonna get angry. You've got to be a robot with these quacks to stay under their radar.

exactly! do you think they realize how stupid/clueless they are? i can't wait to see their faces when SHTF lol

[whiteknightd]

He also claimed cutting out gluten and dairy reduced symptoms too which is same as autism

Allergies or deficiencies can cause processing problems, but I belive schizophrenia, is a made up name by the psychiatric profession to keep their power to prescribe dangerous drugs

yes. pretty much the whole DSM is for that. they now hand out adderall like it's candy. i was on that for 2 years. not good for your body

[whiteknightd]

My mom wants me to phone a counselor myself. I am having some spiritual and depression problems that I cannot talk to anybody about except the odd person here via post. She is a reality show buff and is on a lot of meds for diabetes, blood pressure, and cholesterol (even though I pretty much forced her to start taking organic whole-food nutrition tablets every day).

I don't know anybody to talk to ever since I read shit tonnes of information in the past year and a half. All my previous friends (well I moved three times, wide variety of types but mainly ego/party-based because of where I was raised) were apart of the new "ghetto ego" generation and party buffs. A few of them were very close vibrationally to take in this new info but they all fucked off somehow. I am pretty much isolated, it is hard for me to practice meditation anymore because I'm loosing motivation everyday. Nobody wants to be helped, but they all think I need some help now (I do, but not for their reasons/perceptions). Have no clue where any experienced gurus or whatever in my city.....I have a hard time communicating with people more than ever now It's like I can feel their energy but my heart chakra is greatly defused so it is awkward and then I have no grounding.

Sorry for spewing but this is honestly the only place I think I can let his out. I've tried many things......food is very hard to deal with as EVERYTHING seems to have a chemical that is bad. I have at least 50 pieces of orgonite everywhere. Honestly the only thing that gives me a short burst of happyness and vibrancy is a hoot of mary jane. And my cats. I am 18 and live with my mom, half sister, and step dad (who had severe bi-polar and rages until the past year as he is getting old but those 4-5 years sure let a mark on me).


it's okay. i can totally relate and thank you for posting on here. i'm always available to talk if you need an outlet.

[whiteknightd]

Try this. After there is some peace in the house (perhaps at night or early in the morning) wash your hands and arms, face, ears and feet. Then sit down or lie down on your back and do absolutely nothing. Don't move and don't talk. If thoughts arise concentrate on your heartbeat for a short while. Listen to it ripple through your body.

If you like it or even get in utter terror (which is also interesting) try it again sometime. After a while you will see that it is not the feelings that control you but that you control the feelings. After that be depressed if you like or not. Be miserable or childishly joyful. It's up to you. Hormonal surges will happen now and then but you have found the secret to direct them wisely.

Bless you.

We would be very happy to listen to what you consider as a problem.

good advice. i've meditated at night and gotten very scared. why do you think that is? bad spirits?

[elirien]

good advice. i've meditated at night and gotten very scared. why do you think that is? bad spirits?

Thank you. Did it felt as if you were going to die?

[ownoiz]

Yeah im going to have to go with the OP and Tom Cruise on this one...

Psychiatry is bullshit.

And if anyone defies this, im sending in the troops...

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/celebrity-pics-cruise-jump.jpg
.

[delamo1999]

Go see the movie Shutter Island. In my opinion, psychiatry is a means to shut down really intelligent people who are not afraid to think outside of the box. Also the reasoning behind shutting down the emotions is so that the person can do robotic tasks at hand without questioning them.

:):)

[1964]

Go see the movie Shutter Island. In my opinion, psychiatry is a means to shut down really intelligent people who are not afraid to think outside of the box. Also the reasoning behind shutting down the emotions is so that the person can do robotic tasks at hand without questioning them.

:):)

I've researched psychiatry enough that I'm convinced it's all a fraud. But it can't be as simple as you say it is. Too many people who suffer from what is termed "mental illness" are severely debilitated. I know psychiatry doesn't have the answers, or the cures, and they don't know what it is they're even dealing with. But it still remains that a lot of people suffer to the point where they can't lead any kind of normal life. So you still have to ask the question, 'What is causing these people to suffer in the first place, that psychiatry is unable to understand, or cure?'

[gaias child]

But it can't be as simple as you say it is. Too many people who suffer from what is termed "mental illness" are severely debilitated. I know psychiatry doesn't have the answers, or the cures, and they don't know what it is they're even dealing with. But it still remains that a lot of people suffer to the point where they can't lead any kind of normal life. So you still have to ask the question, 'What is causing these people to suffer in the first place, that psychiatry is unable to understand, or cure?'

I know that, but it is the drugs that cause people's problems to get worse. I was one of them. The withdrawal will make you very ill, I was just on seroxat and could not get off them after 6 weeks, so I ended up taking them for two years and they caused me severe problems that I was then given some anti psychotics for and getting off them was pure hell, everytime you tried you would halluciate, climb the walls, feel suicidal, the official message is you need your mediaction because you are ill, when I eventually worked out to withdraw much slower than even they said , breaking them into an eight of a tablet and it took another two years to get off them permanantly. I knew then for a fact it was the drugs causing it. I was only given them after my son went into a coma after his MMR and I lost my home my job, trying to find out what was wrong with him.

I now have kidney disease as a result of the overdose which I took with paracetamol which without a shadow of a doubt the serxat caused suicidal agitated feelings. They even did 4 panorama programmes on it. But that poison is still prescribed. GSK knew it was harming children and leading children to self harm and kill themselves from their own research but covered up. They eventually had to withdraw it for children as they were rumbled, so it not safe if you are under 18 but once you are over 18 it is deemed safe. What a load of crock

I also saw a documentary about a boy descent into schizophrenia, it started with him saying he had voices about his exams and that he was going to fail, well that sounds like persistent thoughts to me not voices, he seemed normal to me but he was diagnosed as schizophrenia, then his problems got worse, one day he forgot to take his medication and he slammed the door, and the mother said, oh his schizophrenia is really bad as he forgot his medication. NO IT IS WITHDRAWAL.

Eventually they sent him to a pyschiatric institution, where there were very sick disturbed people from all the meds, as his only company, for weeks on end at this point he really did go doo dally and then was given even more drugs. Poor kid

Go figure

Some people are on so many drugs, and longterm sometimes as many as 5 or 10 different meds for several years that they do not stand a hope in hell of getting off them, of course they get seriously ill, if they withdraw especially if they have been on them long term ,there are side effects whilst on them such as shakes, but if they stop taking meds they are way more severe but it is withdrawal.


Seroxat/Paxil was not tested for long term use only short term not beyond 3 months but most people on them have been on them years as they cannot get off them.

It causes damage to the metabolic pathways and brain damage

[whiteknightd]

Go see the movie Shutter Island. In my opinion, psychiatry is a means to shut down really intelligent people who are not afraid to think outside of the box. Also the reasoning behind shutting down the emotions is so that the person can do robotic tasks at hand without questioning them.

:):)

yes! that's what anti-depressants do. they might as well be called zombie meds. i sat in a group therapy session with a bunch of mostly older women on anti-depressants and they all talk like and have mannerisms of zombies.

gotta love western culture and it's "revolutionary breakthroughs" that have managed to suck the life out of us.

[whiteknightd]

bottom line...yes there are a lot of fucked up people in the world. i think most of that is due to the industrial revolution and technology turning on us.

its amazing how they always would say technology is going to make our lives so much easier when most of it has done the opposite.

in the early 1900s they predicted that the average american would only have to work 3 days a week at this time. boy were they wrong.

[1964]

I know that, but it is the drugs that cause people's problems to get worse. I was one of them. The withdrawal will make you very ill, I was just on seroxat and could not get off them after 6 weeks, so I ended up taking them for two years and they caused me severe problems that I was then given some anti psychotics for and getting off them was pure hell, everytime you tried you would halluciate, climb the walls, feel suicidal, the official message is you need your mediaction because you are ill, when I eventually worked out to withdraw much slower than even they said , breaking them into an eight of a tablet and it took another two years to get off them permanantly. I knew then for a fact it was the drugs causing it. I was only given them after my son went into a coma after his MMR and I lost my home my job, trying to find out what was wrong with him.

I now have kidney disease as a result of the overdose which I took with paracetamol which without a shadow of a doubt the serxat caused suicidal agitated feelings. They even did 4 panorama programmes on it. But that poison is still prescribed. GSK knew it was harming children and leading children to self harm and kill themselves from their own research but covered up. They eventually had to withdraw it for children as they were rumbled, so it not safe if you are under 18 but once you are over 18 it is deemed safe. What a load of crock

I also saw a documentary about a boy descent into schizophrenia, it started with him saying he had voices about his exams and that he was going to fail, well that sounds like persistent thoughts to me not voices, he seemed normal to me but he was diagnosed as schizophrenia, then his problems got worse, one day he forgot to take his medication and he slammed the door, and the mother said, oh his schizophrenia is really bad as he forgot his medication. NO IT IS WITHDRAWAL.

Eventually they sent him to a pyschiatric institution, where there were very sick disturbed people from all the meds, as his only company, for weeks on end at this point he really did go doo dally and then was given even more drugs. Poor kid

Go figure

Some people are on so many drugs, and longterm sometimes as many as 5 or 10 different meds for several years that they do not stand a hope in hell of getting off them, of course they get seriously ill, if they withdraw especially if they have been on them long term ,there are side effects whilst on them such as shakes, but if they stop taking meds they are way more severe but it is withdrawal.


Seroxat/Paxil was not tested for long term use only short term not beyond 3 months but most people on them have been on them years as they cannot get off them.

It causes damage to the metabolic pathways and brain damage

Wow, I am so sorry to hear how much you've suffered.

I don't think I explained myself well enough. I agree with everything you've said, all of it. But what I'm saying is that in many cases, there's still that pre-existing "condition", prior to the drugs and psychiatry. So it's still important to ask what causes the problem in the first place. Psychiatry obviously doesn't have the answers, that's clear by now. But it's still important to find the answers.

Here's one example of what I mean: I knew a man, personally, who was diagnosed "schizophrenic" when he was 18; and then again later when he was in his late 30s. The 'disease' came, then went away, then came back again. He died in his early 40s, never "cured". But I knew this man. And before they ever hospitalized him, or put him on any meds, he went completely out of control. He was seeing things, hearing things, he became violent, it was awful. He was eventually put on drugs, and like you said, the drugs didn't cure him and they didn't help him. But what happened to him happened before the drugs, and before the doctors stepped in.

Now me, I have no doubt that in this particular case (and in many cases), the problem is spiritual. And I know a lot of people wouldn't believe that. But all I'm saying is that we shouldn't forget that a lot of these people were already suffering before anyone "intervened". Otherwise, it's like saying there's either no hope for them, or psychiatry is their only hope - which is the same thing as no hope at all.

[deca]

mental illness is a misleading term post-traumatic stress disorder, PTSD is classed as an disorder and also as an mental illness clearly people suffering from this have not got a biological disease but been through a traumatic experience

clearly there are many reason why people are not behaving / thinking in the normal sense to label it all as an "illness" and point to a biological defect is to blame the victim attitude and wrong

clearly in a lot of cases people are acting normal they are just experecing abnormal situations .

[catnap]

I've researched psychiatry enough that I'm convinced it's all a fraud. But it can't be as simple as you say it is. Too many people who suffer from what is termed "mental illness" are severely debilitated. I know psychiatry doesn't have the answers, or the cures, and they don't know what it is they're even dealing with. But it still remains that a lot of people suffer to the point where they can't lead any kind of normal life. So you still have to ask the question, 'What is causing these people to suffer in the first place, that psychiatry is unable to understand, or cure?'


Thats the whole problem. Its having to fit in to this so called 'normal' life that causes so many people so many problems. For me thats the crux of much of the mental health 'problem'. We are all supposed to be productive members of this society ie go to work and follow all the rules like robots. Its no wonder why people get depressed especially those who can see and understand that there is something fundamentally flawed about the world around them.

[deca]

Mental Health Liberation and Anti-Psychiatry Movement Part 1

Mental Health Liberation and Anti-Psychiatry Movement Part 1 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n46ohBsrPI&feature=related



Mental Health Liberation and Anti-Psychiatry Movement Part 2
Mental Health Liberation and Anti-Psychiatry Movement Part 2 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCycQt5u5M


I like this guy and there`s a lot on intresting usfull infromation here
http://www.youtube.com/user/psychetruth

[pipsicle]

I've researched psychiatry enough that I'm convinced it's all a fraud. But it can't be as simple as you say it is. Too many people who suffer from what is termed "mental illness" are severely debilitated. I know psychiatry doesn't have the answers, or the cures, and they don't know what it is they're even dealing with. But it still remains that a lot of people suffer to the point where they can't lead any kind of normal life. So you still have to ask the question, 'What is causing these people to suffer in the first place, that psychiatry is unable to understand, or cure?'


The burial of the knowledge of the connection between medical and environmental causes and psychological symptoms for one, IMHO.

[curtaincat]

Wow, I am so sorry to hear how much you've suffered.

I don't think I explained myself well enough. I agree with everything you've said, all of it. But what I'm saying is that in many cases, there's still that pre-existing "condition", prior to the drugs and psychiatry. So it's still important to ask what causes the problem in the first place. Psychiatry obviously doesn't have the answers, that's clear by now. But it's still important to find the answers.

Here's one example of what I mean: I knew a man, personally, who was diagnosed "schizophrenic" when he was 18; and then again later when he was in his late 30s. The 'disease' came, then went away, then came back again. He died in his early 40s, never "cured". But I knew this man. And before they ever hospitalized him, or put him on any meds, he went completely out of control. He was seeing things, hearing things, he became violent, it was awful. He was eventually put on drugs, and like you said, the drugs didn't cure him and they didn't help him. But what happened to him happened before the drugs, and before the doctors stepped in.

Now me, I have no doubt that in this particular case (and in many cases), the problem is spiritual. And I know a lot of people wouldn't believe that. But all I'm saying is that we shouldn't forget that a lot of these people were already suffering before anyone "intervened". Otherwise, it's like saying there's either no hope for them, or psychiatry is their only hope - which is the same thing as no hope at all.

1964, I totally agree with your last paragraph. It is a spiritual problem, people are given problems to remind them that they are spiritual beings... it is because they are meant to realise that they live in a fkd up world... and realise that there is nothing wrong with them, it is the world they live in.

So... any time that things go wrong, it means to wake up and realise that the problem is NOT them, it is the crappy world. Somethng like that.

and to not blame themself ever.

( I am not a christian ( altho i know jesus is a nice guy) , but the spiritual aspect is what should be looked at).

ok, i will post that old and true saying: "it is no measure of good health to be well-adjusted in a profoundly sick society" - J Krishnamurti.

It is a pretty good saying, yeah. I hope u guys get it. :)

[deca]

sorry saying its "spiritual problem" just the same as saying its "chemical imbalance " and I believe resures/comforts the person given the treatment/advice/help than helping the person that experiencing so called "mental health" issues is saying to someone in a disturbed state "if you are more spiritual this would stop really going to do anything, might cam them down , but doubt it will alter the fact they have some serious problems causing there mental state", also points the blame again to the person suffering as the person causing the problem....if he/she was more spiritually aware they would not experience this.....sorry I think this simplifies the matter

There is a lot that goes into a person mental well being spiritual is only part of it.

[piskavac]

Can anyone help me with this professional psychiatric phrase.

"lengthy and sticky thought disorder"

This is psychiatric term and marks someone who can hardly pass from one theme to another theme. This thought disorder is frequent in organically damaged brain or in acute intoxication. But, once I spoke with friend of mine whose psychiatrist wrote he had this thought disorder. But, he and I know wery well, he haven't his brain damaged nor intoxicated. He said on this seanse (he vas first time at psyhiatrist) he really passed from one theme to another hardly. He thinks it was due to his anxiety talking with total stranger although she was psychiatrist. He never seem to me having this disorder.

Both of us would like to know more on this disorder but we haven't much knowledge on psychology/psychiatry, and would apreciate if anyone can direct me to site which explains psichiatric phrases quite lengthy, but in such a way that we, laics can understand this explanation easily.

THX a lot in advance.

[piskavac]

Then they try to prescribe medicine that makes people like zombies or kill themselves. And yet they think they're so "cutting edge".

Just thought i'd share my views from experience.

Once a neuropsychiatrist cut me off without providing me with accurately medical service talking with me only 10 minutes. Maybe even less. Prescribed me a medicine; and I thought: - "O foolish miscreant shrink! I will never take your medicine into my body, and will never come to you again." I blamed him publicly on misprofessional behavior, but nothing happened to him.

[jakemaverick]

they do it to political dissidents to, story in the sig, also been in increased pain last week or so....think i am dying form what they did! but then i thought that coupleof years back and the pain died down for a bit...:-(

[lee13]

Hi there, Im an ex mental health professional, I worked for approx 9 years within the nhs "care in the community team". I came out of the profession as I felt the nhs managers did not give a shit....
1. Medication is cheaper than psychotherapy
2. Mental illness is generally perceived as an easy means of receiving benefits. (This is damaging for people genuinely suffering as they are frowned upon and do not receive "genuine care"...In my experience Rogerian or Person Centred Care is the only thing that helps people with long term mental health problems)

Clients I worked with at the beginning of my nursing career were either burnt out or had prematurely passed away towards the end of my career. I really did not see the benefits of a care in the community team.

[arch]

Tell the psychiatrist that you think psychiatry is part of a world wide conspiracy to dominate people.

The Birth of Modern Psychiatry - Adam Curtis

[suzanne4sure]

Psychiatry is nothing more then Big Pharma's agents.

They write all the prescriptions for psychotropic medications that have all the participants either in a stupor, all riled up and manic or sucidal. I mean just listen to commercials on the side effects of the crap they peddle. Half of the side effects include "death" as a side effect...LOL! Definite Illuminati tool.

[lee13]

Appreciate that thankyou

[twistedconcept]

Psychiatry (along with numerous other fields) was created to basically replace religion as a new priesthood. The role of psychiatry is to get you back into the system that broke you down in the first place - by artificial means (drugs).

[torus]

"There is no antidepressant that will cure a depression that's spiritually based, for the malaise doesn't originate from brain dysfunction, but from an accurate response to the desecration of life" David R. Hawkins

[northern star]

If you think of humanity as a hive mind then psychiatrists are the sheepdogs who are there to step in when anyone steps out of line.

They are trained not to help people, or to have any insight into the limitless beauty of the human mind and experience, but to make sure anyone who sees through the control system is officially declared mad, and their job is to either sedate them with pharma drugs or get them back in the hive. That is their job, and that is what they do.

Got a lot of time for Carl Jung who was more eastern in his thinking (understood oneness and eternal consciousness, God etc) and understood that mental problems stemmed from constriction and were a natural reaction to the mind prison. Sigmund Freud, on the other hand, was an establishment shill who acted on behalf of the control system and had a massive effect on psychiatry and its attempts to inflict further constriction and misery, by furthering the idea of limitiation of the human mind, and lowering it all down to the base level of sex. Had a massive effect on the world we have today. All to do with keeping people locked in the mind control prison.

If we had followed the Jungian approach, rather than the Freudian (Fraudian) we would see far more natural cures and less psychiatric problems, especially in children, where it is a current epidemic.

[pipsicle]

Sigmund Freud, on the other hand, was an establishment shill who acted on behalf of the control system and had a massive effect on psychiatry and its attempts to inflict further constriction and misery, by furthering the idea of limitiation of the human mind, and lowering it all down to the base level of sex. Had a massive effect on the world we have today. All to do with keeping people locked in the mind control prison.


Freud really ought to have been struck off for sexually harassing his patients. He ought to have incurred a massive fine for falsifying his case histories.

[northern star]

Totally agree. He was a devil who did more to perpetuate human misery via the field of psychiatry than any other. They are supposed to be alleviating mental pain and setting people free, but he did the opposite. Made huge amounts of money and formed a dynasty family based on Fraudian principles. Still in effect today, but when the truth is revealed, the world of psychiatry will be turned on its head and all those suffering will be free of mental torture.

[freedom1st]

Hi there, Im an ex mental health professional, I worked for approx 9 years within the nhs "care in the community team". I came out of the profession as I felt the nhs managers did not give a shit....
1. Medication is cheaper than psychotherapy
2. Mental illness is generally perceived as an easy means of receiving benefits. (This is damaging for people genuinely suffering as they are frowned upon and do not receive "genuine care"...In my experience Rogerian or Person Centred Care is the only thing that helps people with long term mental health problems)

Clients I worked with at the beginning of my nursing career were either burnt out or had prematurely passed away towards the end of my career. I really did not see the benefits of a care in the community team.

Is there any cure for being burnt out?

[pessi_optimist]

just bought a book called The essential Jung. Buy it, tis fantastic.

[the_real_macoy]

So these are the questions that psychiatrists ask people to determine if they're "schizophrenic"

"Do you ever see things that aren't there? Do you ever smell things that aren't there? Do you ever hear things that aren't there?"

How stupid are these? So if i see something that others cannot then i'm schizophrenic? lol

so if i see something that others cannot it obviously exists. just because they cannot see it doesn't mean it's not there. the fact that they cannot see it is there issue lol. IMO most psychiatrists i've dealt with are borderline retarded. they just let the pharmaceutical companies define their practice and definitions of disorders. what a pile of bullshit.

here's the questions they ask to determine if someone is "bi-polar" lol

"Are you sometimes really happy and energetic, and then down others?" WTF? Yes, who isn't lol?

Then they try to prescribe medicine that makes people like zombies or kill themselves. And yet they think they're so "cutting edge".

Just thought i'd share my views from experience.

They also ask you if "television or radio gives you messages that only you can understand or are specially for you?"

Thing is if your lucid enough to be aware of these questions then you know what to say! But some people do become very delusional. It is a very fine line to diferentiate between mental illness in which your out of it and can't tell what's going on in "reality!" I know your going to say - "but who says what us reality!"

It's a very delicate situation. Many people have been referred to psychiatrists by their parents because they refuse to talk to their kids, they react aggressively, a psychiatrist gets called in and before they know it are forced to have treatment because their parents want them to. It's a classic case of the 50's American parents who can't stand their kids rebelling and who refer them to a psychiatrist who forces them to take medication.

[zero1]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058782258&highlight=psychiatry#post1058782258

[twistedconcept]

Freud was no different than Kinsey. A perverted psychopath.

[deca]

Whistle blower lifts the lid on 'wildly successful' NHS trust
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1280504/I-wouldnt-trust-hamster-Whistle-blower-lifts-lid-wildly-successful-NHS-trust.html
The targets say this is one of the best NHS trusts in the country. But this doctor has turned whistle blower to reveal a shockingly different picture...
Dr Jennifer Blandford

Accusations: Jennifer Blandford has blown the whistle on the SEPT

To outsiders it seems like that rarest of things: a wildly successful NHS trust. South Essex Partnership Trust (SEPT) was awarded the top score of 'excellent' three years running by Government inspectors.

Its chief executive, Dr Patrick Geoghegan OBE, is a Government favourite, recently named the NHS's Leader of the Year, and earned £200,000 last year, more than the Prime Minister.

He even has a hospital unit named after him. The in-house magazine reported that, when unveiling the plaque in 2005, he had the 'surprise of his life' to find that admiring colleagues had secretly named it the Patrick Geoghegan Recovery Unit. It was, they said, an honour he 'richly deserved'.

But not everyone is quite so enamoured of Dr Geoghegan's work. 'I wouldn't trust SEPT to take adequate care of a hamster,' says Dr Jennifer Blandford, who recently quit as a consultant for the trust.

'I would rather stick pins in my eyes than let any member of my family go to a psychiatric unit it runs, or receive outpatient psychological therapy from it. The gulf between SEPT's rhetoric and the reality is enormous.'

She claims that suicidal patients are dying unnecessarily through neglect, that inadequately trained staff are allowed to treat seriously troubled people and that treatment is brutally rationed.

Dr Blandford, 50, joined SEPT in February 2005 as head of the forensic psychology department. She worked for 13 years for Essex Police both in uniform and as a detective, but decided in 1995 to retrain as a clinical psychologist.

However, her professional approach to the SEPT job, her third in the field, soon brought her into conflict with the trust management.

Not long after getting the job, she discovered that two earlier staff appointees had misrepresented their qualifications, yet wrote crucial reports for mental health review tribunals.
Honoured: South Essex Partnership Trust (SEPT) was awarded the top score of 'excellent' three years running by Government inspectors

Honoured: South Essex Partnership Trust (SEPT) was awarded the top score of 'excellent' three years running by Government inspectors

'God knows how many patients were either released into the community or detained in hospital further based on their lack of clinical training, skill and experience,' she says.

She alerted management, and although both members of staff eventually resigned, 'no disciplinary action was taken,' says Dr Blandford.

And the more she learned about the prevailing culture, the more disillusioned she became.

'SEPT's patient care was sometimes like going back 30 years, a cross between One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest and Alice In Wonderland,' she says. 'Patients were often over-sedated, just to keep them quiet, or not readmitted even when clearly in dire need.'

Dr Blandford found it near impossible to build a settled team. 'I went on holiday in 2006 and came back to find half my team had been made redundant, yet two of them were excellent,' she says. 'There seemed to be a culture of getting rid of good people just to keep others afraid.'

'Patients were often over-sedated, just to keep them quiet'

However, a SEPT spokesman says that staff surveys reveal SEPT 'is in the lowest percentile nationally in relation to staff feeling bullied'.

The trust's over-reliance on temporary locum doctors was criticised in May 2008 by two independent inquiries, following murders by schizophrenics Gary Roberts and Derek Field.

They had been compulsorily detained under the Mental Health Act at SEPT's Runwell Hospital in Wickford but were freed - prior to Dr Blandford's arrival - despite telling staff about their homicidal urges.

Field, 27, told medics he would kill a neighbour and talked of tying up a girl and dropping her down a drain. He was released without even being assessed and weeks later killed a friend.

Roberts, 41, was seen by six consultants but the views of two who wanted him detained were ignored. A month later he beat his girlfriend to death.

Dr Blandford says that under-qualified staff sometimes dealt with highly dangerous patients.

'One SEPT psychologist was not fully qualified but was allowed to work with a man sectioned for a brutal murder. She advised that he go out into the community with a nurse for a meal, and told him to announce to the waiter, "I am a murderer." I was appalled.'

In fact, there has been a catalogue of disasters at SEPT.

Carol Savage became suicidal in 2004 and was detained in Runwell. Like most schizophrenics, the gentle mother of two was a risk only to herself. Placed on an open ward, she tried six times to escape - and finally succeeded.

Despite being heavily sedated, she walked to the railway line at Wickford and threw herself under a train.

Last month, the High Court ruled that SEPT breached Mrs Savage's right to life through its negligence, and awarded £10,000 damages to her daughter Anna.

The court heard that only one nurse on the team supposedly caring for Mrs Savage had even read her history and realised she was tormented by voices instructing her to kill herself.
Tragedy: Carol Savage who was admitted to Runwell Hospital before her suicide

Tragedy: Carol Savage who was admitted to Runwell Hospital before her suicide

Dr Blandford says: 'Runwell has real difficulty filling posts. Many nurses were agency staff and only there one night or so. Of course they don't get to read the histories.'

SEPT vowed to reform following Mrs Savage's death. But The Mail on Sunday can reveal that Chelmsford coroner Caroline Beasley-Murray recently ruled that its neglect was central to the death of a 29-year-old bipolar disorder sufferer who threw herself from a multi-storey car park on March 29, 2008, shortly after being sent home from a brief in-patient stay.

In a devastating ten-point catalogue of woeful SEPT errors, the coroner noted that the patient was discharged despite her exhibiting 'obviously abnormal behaviour', having received 'inadequate and inappropriate treatments', and her recent admission that she felt suicidal. Staff even failed to ask her consultant or care coordinator if she should be released.

'Placed on an open ward, she tried six times to escape and succeeded'

The coroner made a Rule 43 recommendation, which means she considers the trust contributed to the death, so it must legally respond within eight weeks with detailed proposals for reform. The Health Secretary and the Care Quality Commission, which regulates healthcare in England, have been made aware of the findings.

A SEPT spokesman said the trust was 'unable to comment as legal proceedings are still live'.

The toll of arguably preventable suicides also includes Karen Crews, a 50-year-old mother of three, from Rayleigh, Essex. Her husband Steve begged SEPT for help after she handed her son a knife and asked him to 'finish her off'.

She had previously attempted suicide and been under SEPT care, but an agency nurse told Mr Crews it would be 48 hours before a consultant could see her. The next day, May 13, 2008, she threw herself in front of a lorry.

Returning an open verdict, the coroner accused SEPT of 'gross failure'. Dr Geoghegan said afterwards: 'This is a very sad incident.' As with other suicides, he promised an investigation and reforms.

Married father-of-two Neil McGregor, 45, was another victim. His son Paul, 20, says: 'My mother called an ambulance after discovering Dad had written suicide notes and was roaming the streets. The ambulance took him to Basildon Hospital A&E but he was left alone. He walked straight out in front of a van.'

Mr McGregor recovered physically but, by February 2009, Paul says: 'He was again talking of suicide. One day we called an ambulance. He tried three times to jump out of it. I followed him to Southend hospital to find him alone again.'

The hospital asked Paul, who was then just a teenager, to drive his distressed father to SEPT-run Basildon mental health unit.
Winner: An NHS newsletter reports on Dr Patrick Geoghegan, centre, receiving his Leader of the Year award from Rory Bremner and NHS chief executive David Nicholson

Winner: An NHS newsletter reports on Dr Patrick Geoghegan, centre, receiving his Leader of the Year award from Rory Bremner and NHS chief executive David Nicholson

'My dad was crying but was left waiting there to be assessed from Saturday night until Tuesday. Then they only did a physical assessment and told my grandad to pick him up as they needed the space. My dad committed suicide by walking in front of an articulated lorry the next day.'

An inquiry later confirmed that Mr McGregor was released by under-qualified staff and, in that hollow and all-too familiar phrase, SEPT promised to 'learn lessons'.

Mr McGregor's death prompted several SEPT staff to contact this newspaper. Most requested anonymity because of alleged workplace bullying, but Dr Blandford agreed to be named, although she accepted 'SEPT will probably attack me'.

She said: 'SEPT is basically run as a private business. It was made very clear that the aim was to have " surplus" money at the end of each financial year, and woe betide any manager who didn't.'

Dr Blandford clashed with SEPT bureaucrats over the limits imposed on patients' treatment. Staff vacancies went unfilled, and some gravely ill patients never saw a consultant, or never saw the same one twice, leading to the tragedies already outlined as well as a rise in the number of patients detained under the Mental Health Act who absconded - from 17 in 2004 to 89 in 2006.

'The consultants work an extra average-of 15 to 20 hours' unpaid'

Yet when, in 2007, the trust's board discussed the staff shortages and consultants' regular excessive hours, it concluded that these had no detrimental effect.

Dr Blandford says: 'The consultants work an extra average-of 15 to 20 hours' unpaid every week, trying their best. Without exception they are deeply stressed. How can that be good for anyone?

'SEPT lies even to itself. We used to have faux "surveys" on our internal website's home page, where you couldn't ever enter a negative vote. The questions were, effectively, along the lines of, "Is SEPT doing: a) well, b) very well, or c) brilliantly?". It was like something out of 1984.'

She and other senior colleagues accuse Dr Geoghegan - who is actually a nurse whose doctorate is an honorary one - of 'McDonaldising' mental health care. SEPT tops league tables, they say, only because it cynically manipulates worthless Government assessments and inspections.

It is estimated that only about one health trust in 25 is now fully assessed externally. The majority are trusted to assess themselves.

One SEPT clinician whom Government inspectors had selected to question about the trust's performance was assured that interviewees could 'give frank answers' as they would be 'completely anonymous'.

Some staff were also invited to lunch with inspectors, but before that Dr Geoghegan wrote to all interviewees to say the quango had given him their names, and their line managers would 'help prepare you for the interview'.

The clinician showed The Mail on Sunday a SEPT manager's letter saying: 'I do not need to stress how important this is . . . we all need to be upbeat and positive - talk the team and our work up and not down.'

Patients were rebranded as ' customers', while the chief executive personally picked patients for surveys to rate the trust's performance.

Minutes of the SEPT board meeting in November 2007 note that ahead of a patients' survey, 'Patrick advised that he has also randomly selected some clients, with their permission, to contact regarding their experience'. The minutes do not explain how randomness was ensured.

A SEPT doctor told The Mail on Sunday: 'Mental health patients are particularly vulnerable to pressure to say the "right thing". If patients were really randomly sampled and allowed a genuine voice, a much lower rating would result.'

SEPT says its chief executive does not have a role in personally picking patients to participate in such surveys, but added that Dr Geoghegan interviewed discharged patients whom he chose at random.

SEPT maintains that its patients' suicide rates are within national norms but in September it was asked under the Freedom of Information Act to reveal the number of patients in the past five years who were confirmed to have commited suicide, whose deaths were recorded as open verdicts at inquests, or who were apparent suicides yet to be confirmed.

Authorities are bound by law to respond within six weeks but SEPT has still failed to provide this information. Mental health trusts were, until last year, partly SEPT's response to increasingly bad publicity has been to spend a fortune on management consultants and corporate self-congratulation.

In 2008, a close ally of Dr Geoghegan launched a 'renewed customer service strategy'. Peter Wadum-Buhl is an occupational therapist with a master's degree in business administration. He engaged management consultancy April Strategy which, according to the depressingly familiar jargon on its website, was to teach 'customer service' to staff and rebrand the trust.

The SEPT spokesman admits: 'During 2006 and 2007 we employed an external consultant (costing £72,000 over two years) to assist the trust in developing and enhancing our productivity and efficiency, improving staff attitudes, and focusing on customer service practices.'

Dr Blandford is scathing about this 'colossal waste of money'.

'We were ordered to wear black uniforms, and lectured by someone from Marks & Spencer on how their staff loved wearing theirs,' she says. 'We are supposed to be a mental health service, not a version of M&S. We don't have "customers".

'I eventually refused to attend any more management-speak courses. The bullying then began in earnest - endless snide criticism and constant undermining of my staff.

'I realised I would rather stack shelves in Tesco than stay there. So in March 2008 I walked out of a £65,000-a-year job with nothing to go to. Sadly, I would never, ever work for the NHS again.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1280504/I-wouldnt-trust-hamster-Whistle-blower-lifts-lid-wildly-successful-NHS-trust.html#ixzz0ohtixvO8


this angers me as there are good people that care trying to do a proper job and getting fucked over...

[northern star]

shrinks (def: shrink the brain) are people who have been through the system and paid to keep the sheep in the pen, thats what psychiatrists are. Maybe there are good, well meaning ones, but for our mental health -

avoid
big pharma drugs
fizzy drinks and e-number filled foods
television
pornography
advertising
violent films
violent computer games

all of these are created to bring on mental illness to keep big pharma and advertising in business

this will be a start to counteract the growing mental illness, especially in children.

[theqleaner]

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[delamo1999]

Thats the whole problem. Its having to fit in to this so called 'normal' life that causes so many people so many problems. For me thats the crux of much of the mental health 'problem'. We are all supposed to be productive members of this society ie go to work and follow all the rules like robots. Its no wonder why people get depressed especially those who can see and understand that there is something fundamentally flawed about the world around them.


I totally hear you on this one. A counselor I was seeing told me that I needed to be able to "function". Also I was told that one reason why I was depressed was that I have not found a "career" that I am passionate about to get me out of bed in the morning and go do.

I ended up firing the counselor because I am one of those who has thrown the towel in when it comes to fitting into the "normal" way of our current society. I have worked for many companies and I can tell you that all of them were the same; People who just want to make money. I got depressed because most of the people who I worked with were not spiritual; they worshipped science, authority, and money. I found it very difficult to communicate myself with others because of this.

I am so waiting for the time when all of this is going to shift and those of us who are enlightened can live a live that does not abide with such low vibrational rigid rules.

:):)

[pipsicle]

Freud was no different than Kinsey. A perverted psychopath.


It's quite shocking to hear the details on the cases which "proved psychotherapy works".

If anyone is unfamiliar with the case of Dora, it involved a 17 year old lesbian who came to see Freud upset because a family "friend" had made pedophile passes at her when she was 13 and again when she was 16, and the pedophile's wife was having an affair with Dora's father.

The good doctor immediately sussed what was going on: Dora was unhappy because she was repressing her love for her pedophile molester, also her desire to have an affair with his wife and give her own father a blow job.

Unsurprisingly Dora thought this was a load of crap and walked out. Freud claimed she had been "completely cured".

[masonicboom]

:mad:yes. pretty much the whole DSM is for that. they now hand out adderall like it's candy. i was on that for 2 years. not good for your body

You don't realize how lucky you were that your doctor would prescibe that to you. I have had them prescribe me various garbage over the years and none of it has worked. So it all goes down the toilet.

I found a medication that did work for me through a friend. It was Adderall.
I was suddenly able to play my guitar again after years and was able to read a 700 page book (the new icke book ;-)
I even slept better and more uninterupted because I was active during the day whereas I normally just watch TV and sleep all day.

I DO NOT beleive in psychiatry, but I do beleive that if used properly,
benzo's can be good for sleep and anxiety (short term)

And Adderall can restore someone's life who has completely lost hope.

However, I have once again lost hope, because my doctors all refuse to prescribe it to me because they have in their file that i smoked heroin 7 years ago.

I saw my new psych a few days ago and he got so intimidated and mad
by my questioning him that he stood up and walked toward me in a threatening manner and screamed and pointed for me to "Get Out !!"

I have never seen such unprofessionalism.

Until then (the end of time),
I don't care what anyone says, I know that I would immensely benefit from adderall and it also has no side effects on me at all.

Irony: I have finally found a drug that works and is covered by my insurance
and if my doctor wanted to he could give it to me. BUT HE WON'T.

THIS IS PROOF that psychiatrists want you to be at your worst.

In most cases this requires prescribing meds. My case is paradoxical.
They make me worse by NOT prescribing the drug.

FFS - The label says it is approved for 3 years and up. I'm 33 !!! WTF !!!! :mad:

[masonicboom]

Is there any cure for being burnt out?

Unfortunately, the only cure I've found is a medication called Adderall.
It is great to know that there is a cure, but since no doctor will
prescribe it, that just makes things worse, knowing you are
being intentionally untreated - because they want you to shut up and
just take whatever the psychiatrist gives you.

When I told the dr. I had been misdiagnosed, he jumped out of his chair and
lunged at me screaming to "GET OUT!"

I still can't beleive how unprofessional he is. He analyzes peoples behavior for a living and yet can't control his temper. He should seek a new profession.

SCUM.