Freemasonry IS a religion!

[synergy777]

http://burningtaper.blogspot.com/2007/10/freemasonry-is-religion.html

Freemasonry IS a religion!

Most every state's grand lodge publishes literature that says something to the effect of "Freemasonry is not a religion...."

On this blog and numerous other sites on the web, Masons are constantly replying to comments, usually from rabid anti-Masons, explaining that the fraternity is not a religion.

Guess what? As of October 3, 2007, according to the California Court of Appeals, we are a religion! And we can thank the Scottish Rite for making it official.

In the late 1950's, the Scottish Rite Cathedral Association of Los Angeles (SRCALA) requested and received a zoning variance to build a massive four-story Masonic facility, which includes a banquet room that will hold 1,800 people and an auditorium that seats 2,020, lodge and meeting rooms, as well as an adjoining parking lot. The property is on Wilshire Blvd., and borders on the affluent Hancock Park neighborhood.

With available land at a premium, the SRCALA requested, and was granted, permission to build the parking lot with far fewer parking places than would normally be required for a building project of this size. The variance was granted only because the SRCALA pledged that the building would not be rented out for commercial enterprises and that the sole use of the building would be for Masonic, charitable and non-profit events.

Almost from the beginning, when the building was completed in 1963, the SRCALA began renting out the facility for private functions, and by the 1970s, as Masonic membership began to noticeably fall, they began to rely on renting out the building as a means of making enough money to cover the expense of building upkeep.

And the neighbors began to complain. The unintended use of the building had become a public nuisance because of noise and trash and traffic and parking congestion on the residential streets.

In 1979 the SRCALA was told by the city they would have to file for a zoning variance, but the group ignored the order. In the 1980's, they were twice cited for zoning violations.

In 1993, the city initiated public nuisance abatement proceedings against the group, citing them again because of numerous complaints about noise, trash and traffic. A hearing concluded the building was a public nuisance, and the zoning commission prohibited the SRCLA from using the property "for any purpose other than for non-profit activities directly related to the purpose and function of the Scottish Rite Masonic Temple."

SRCALA appealed the zoning board's order via the zoning appeals process, and was denied. They then appealed to the city council, and were again denied.

Unable to earn enough money to maintain the facility, SRCALA closed the building.

After nearly 10 years, the SRCALA leased the building to a newly formed limited liability corporation called Los Angeles Scottish Rite Center, LLC (LASRC).

LASRC refurbished the building and immediately began marketing the facility under various names, including the Wilshire Windsor Pavilion, the Wilshire International Pavilion, the International Culture Center, and as the Scottish Rite Temple, advertising the building as a facility to be rented out to the public.

It didn't take long for the neighbors to get riled up again, and by 2003 the city cited the facility not only for being in violation of the 1993 order but also for not getting a business license or paying business taxes but also for failing to obtain necessary police and fire department safety permits.

In 2004, the zoning administrator issued a report re-imposing the 1993 conditions on the new, for-profit corporation, and further stipulated that the facility could now only be used for Masonic purposes, and that they could no longer charge for parking. The city council affirmed the report, and the mayor concurred.

The LASRC paid no attention to the order, and continued with business as usual, hosting boxing matches, concerts and other entertainment events. The LASRC even sold, or allowed to be sold, alcohol without proper permits.

The neighbors howled.

Yet another public hearing was held, this time by the city council, who was miffed that LASRC was not in compliance with their order.

A new order was given: No functions allowed, not even Masonic ones.

Both SRCALA and LASRC appealed. Their appeals were rejected.

In 2005, the groups filed a lawsuit in California Superior Court against the City of Los Angeles.

Here's where it gets interesting.

SRCALA and LASRC charged that the city had no right to tell them what to do, because they were protected under the 2000 Federal statute known as the Religious Land Use and Institutionalize Persons Act (RLUIPA).

In other words, they said to the city government: "Hands off! We're a religion!"

The Superior Court ruled that RLUIPA did not apply to the LASRC, and that Freemasonry was not a religion, based in part of evidence from a Masonic brochure that said, "The Scottish Rite is a part of the family of Freemasonry.... Freemasonry is the oldest, and by far the largest, fraternity in the world." [Although] "it is religious in nature, it is not a religion."

The Scottish Rite-related groups appealed the Superior Court ruling to the California Court of Appeals.

Last week, the appeals court ruled that yes, Freemasonry is in fact a religion, and falls under RLUIPA and other laws protecting freedom of religion, but sorry... since the private corporation LASRC was the entity in charge of the building, the city's actions weren't based on the appellant being a religion, since the corporation was a business entity, not a Masonic organization, therefore RLUIPA doesn't apply in this case.

So there you go. Thanks to the Los Angeles Scottish Rite, the government now considers Freemasonry a religion. Next time you engage in a conversation with an anti-Mason about whether we're a religion or not, you have one less leg to stand on.

You can read the Appeals Court opinion here.

Now excuse me. I must go bow to the East and pray to Hiram Abiff.

[tinmenace]

Damn straight it's a religion!

Good job posting this info!

If you don't mind I'll link to my Freemasons (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4934) thread.

[chris]

I like the word religion, I am religious...

Re- as in again and legion as in team, squad or united...

If there are a group that is into this then it's fine by me but most religions are pretty much the opposite no matter what they say...Its a bit like politicians.

[kblood]

Hehe :) Nice post there. I did not believe freemasonry would become a religion... isnt there alot of tax evasions to gain from being a religion? As far as I know there is a lot of goodies to get when being a religion.

[chris]

Hehe :) Nice post there. I did not believe freemasonry would become a religion... isnt there alot of tax evasions to gain from being a religion? As far as I know there is a lot of goodies to get when being a religion.

Plus you can smoke your home grown...

[synergy777]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7348

Why Do the Illuminati Hate Jews?

Henry Makow Ph.D. – October 13, 2007


(This updated article, originally written in April 2006, is a reminder that people claiming to be Jews may actually hate Jews.)

"Where the rubber meets the road,* the Illuminati have an absolutely satanic hatred for Jews," a contact that did business with a prominent Illuminati family notified me.

"Jew-hatred spiritually energizes them," he continued.

"I read too much out there that falls for the lie that the conspiracy is Jewish at its highest levels. Granted, it appears that way, and a lot of data is hard to argue with, but I have first-hand knowledge of the depth of Jew-hatred among people who are the real thing. These people (at least the ones I knew) are not Zionist Bankers, but totally Gentile."

To all appearances Jews have a disproportionate role in the Illuminati New World Order. How do we account for this apparent contradiction?

Illuminati defector Svali offers a clue. Illuminati Jews have renounced their Jewish beliefs and background. She says the Illuminati hate Israel.

"The Illuminati are racist in the extreme... Yes, there are some very powerful Jewish people in this group. For instance, the Rothschild family literally runs the financial empire in Europe (and indirectly the States), and are a well-known Jewish family...But to rise to power in the Illuminati, a Jewish person would be forced to renounce their faith, and to give their first allegiance to Lucifer and the beliefs of the Illuminati."

Following the research of Rabbi Marvin Antelman, Barry Chamish has exposed the heresies of Sabbatai Zvi and Jacob Frank that created a schism in European Jewry in 17th and 18th century respectively. This was essentially a satanic movement that turned Jewish teaching on its ear. Everything that was forbidden by God was now permitted. Sin and not righteousness was the way to salvation. Sexual depravity (especially wife swapping orgies) was encouraged as a means to destroy the family and the social fabric. They wanted a clean slate on which to redesign society. These are the roots of Freudianism, Communism, feminism and sexual liberation.

A fierce hatred developed between satanic Jews and the rabbis who tried to expel the heretics from the community. This schism was partially reflected in the divide between western Jews who shed their religion for "secular humanism and reason" and eastern Jews ("Ostjuden") who largely remained Orthodox. Many secular Jews became radicals as they tried to replace religion with belief in a worldly utopia. The Illuminati duped them with their fraudulent Communist/Socialist dream. "Change the world" was and is their deceptive motto.

The satanic leader Jacob Frank (1726-91) formed an alliance with the Rothschilds, the power behind the Illuminati. They started the Reform and Conservative schools of Judaism, which posed as "liberation from the confines of Jewish inner law and ghetto." They encouraged Jews to assimilate, inter-marry, change their names and even convert to Christianity. They tapped selected followers to advance their satanic agenda by subverting Christian civilization from within.

Sen. John Kerry's background fits this profile perfectly. His grandfather was a Frankest Jew "Kohn" who adopted an Irish name and converted to Catholicism. His father worked for the CIA. His mother was part of the Forbes family, which made its fortune in the drug trade (opium), like many of America's "first families." Kerry himself is a member of the Illuminati Skull and Bones.

During the last election, Wesley Clark discovered he was half-Jewish. Madeleine Albright admitted she was Jewish. Her father Josef Korbel was Condoleezza Rice's mentor at Denver University. Before that he was accused of stealing art treasures from a prominent Czech family when he was a Communist official in the post-war period.

The picture that emerges is a conspiracy of gentiles, part Jews and hidden Jews united by allegiance to a satanic world dictatorship. Winston Churchill, whose mother was Jewish and the current Baron Jacob Rothschild, whose mother was not Jewish, fit this description.

There is a surprising list of American Presidents who are suspected of being part-Jewish including Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Eisenhower, and Lyndon Johnson.

It is possible that members of the Nazi hierarchy were also part-Jewish. Hitler's grandmother left the Rothschild's employment in Vienna when she became pregnant with Hitler's father. In his 1964 book "Before Hitler Came" author Dietrich Bronder, a Jew himself, claims the following personages all had Jewish blood: Hesse, Goering, Strasser, Goebbels, Rosenberg, Frank, Himmler, von Ribbentrop, Heydrich and many more. (Kardel, "Hitler Founder of Israel" p.4) In the 1930's the Jewish German intermarriage rate was 60% and Jews would have disappeared in another two generations. There were far more mixed Jews than 'pure' ones with 150,000 "mischlings" served in the Nazi army.

My own hypothesis is that WWII was contrived by the Illuminati to destroy German nationalism and nationalism and racialism in general. (They neglected to tell their Nazi branch about this, of course. This is the secret behind Rudolf Hess' mission and imprisonment. ) The Illuminati also used the war to purge Europe of Jews who weren't allied to them.

The Jewish holocaust created a rationale for the State of Israel, which was intended to dominate the Middle East, serve as an excuse for WWIII, and as capital of the future Masonic world government. There is plenty of evidence that the Nazis collaborated with Zionists, and that the Zionists betrayed their Jewish brethren during the war. Sabbatean Jews in the West prevented Jews from escaping from Europe.

"Zionism is but an incident of a far reaching plan," said leading American Zionist Louis Marshall, counsel for bankers Kuhn Loeb in 1917. "It is merely a convenient peg on which to hang a powerful weapon."

The far-reaching plan is Illuminati world dictatorship. The Illuminati is the highest echelon of Freemasonry, an occult secret society dedicated to Lucifer. The world's central bankers have intermarried with the richest dynastic families of Europe and America to bring about world hegemony. They instigated wars and depressions to degrade and destroy humanity. The American people have been financing their wars since 1914.

In the meantime, "the Jews" serve as a convenient scapegoat for the Illuminati. It is easy to forget that the majority of Jews are patriotic citizens who would like to assimilate if only their country wasn't being dismantled. They are not part of this world government agenda.

In addition, it's easy to forget that non-Jewish national elites have betrayed their countries and succumbed to the Illuminati. Look at the membership lists of the "Skull and Bones" or elite "Pilgrim Society" to see that the vast majority of adherents are non-Jews. Read "Secret Societies of America's Elite" by Steven Sora for a glimpse of the criminal Masonic non-Jewish side of US leadership.

Svali suggests a reason why the Illuminati hate religious Jews: "The Jews historically fought against the occult. See Deuteronomy and the Old Testament for how God through the Jewish people tried to cleanse the land of the occult groups that were operating there, such as those who worshiped Baal, Ashtarte, and other Canaanite and Babylonian gods."

It's time Jews rediscovered this heritage and took up this mandate again.

In conclusion, a Satanic cult controls the world. It consists not of Jews, Muslims or Christians but of Satanists pretending to be Jews, Muslims and Christians. And apparently they hate Jews, so anti-Semitism could ignite again, if it served their purpose.

also look at true torah jews, jews against zionism etc.

all people must unite

onelove/peace

[joyful]

It is more of a secret society with political power as it's purpose. Why would they recruit police officers, judges and councillors specifically if they just want to sit around and sing hymns?

[synergy777]

and what a perfect cover, a religous/charitable organisation, and one with tax breaks, lol

[synergy777]

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.



http://www.nkusa.org/

NETUREI KARTA AROUND THE WORLD



http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

Contrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know Jewish anti-Zionist movements such as Satmar and Neturei Karta.

There are in fact many Jewish movements, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate.

No one has had to create any antagonism between our Torah and Zionism because such antagonism exists by virtue of the essence of Judaism itself, which can never tolerate the heresy of Zionism.

Zionism is wrong from the Torah viewpoint, not because many of its adherents are lax in practice or even anti-religious, but because its fundamental principle conflicts with the Torah.

Unfortunately, due to many undesirable factors, the view of Torah-true Jewry has been concealed from the general public.

We, the staff at www.jewsnotzionists.org are delighted that with the advance in media technology a substantial benefit to researchers, students, and the general public has been made available. We are elated at the advantage which the internet provides for the presentation of and accessibility to a position so widely held yet so deliberately ignored by many a Zionist-inclined medium.

It is our hope that the information presented on this site will be of benefit to all and that we soon merit the peaceful dismantlement of the so-called "State of Israel" and that Jewish-Muslim brotherhood be restored as prior to the arrival of the Zionist scheme on the global scene.

[razed1]

if you really understand what 'knowledge' freemasonry has kept

you would not call it a religion, such as a islam or christianity

[synergy777]

its a draconian doctrine, lol

[synergy777]

http://www.templarhistory.com/strict7.html

templar knights became freemasons

The Order of Masonry was instituted by Godfrey de Bouillon, in Palestine, in 1330, after the defeat of the Christian armies, and was communicated only to a few French Masons, some time afterwards, as a reward for the services which they had rendered to the English and Scottish Knights. From these latter true Masonry is derived. Their Mother Lodge is situated on the mountain of Heredom, where the first Lodge in Europe was held, which still exists in all its splendor. The Council General is always held here, and it is the seat of the Sovereign Grand Master for the time being. This mountain is situated between the West and the North of Scotland, sixty miles from Edinburgh.


http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=33978&hl=

[chicken]

I thought freemasonry was part of theosophical thought. Or the theosophical society was freemasonry. I live in an area which is very much into the occult and social darwinism, eugenics and Hitler - neo fascism. I looked up the history

I have about 40 lodges in an area mainly rural - why so many?

Its a strange one that.

I am also gang stalked and e-harassed. There is a massive mental health unit here and an army base?

Both of those things are needed to be implanted and carried out - the stalking. It comes from the medical and military fraternity. The e-harassment comes from medical and military the stalking. Must be carried out by the connections of freemasonry then

What do you think

[eternal_spirit]

Freemasonry: (http://whale.to/b/33.html) Freemasonry is a world-wide secret society masquerading as a benign fraternal brotherhood organized for the purpose of “doing good.” The lower level members believe that those belonging to the “craft” actually worship the God of the Bible. Only at the 33rd degree do the members learn that the “God” the Masons worship is Lucifer!
Masonic orders have contained the most influential men in many governments, and virtually every Occult order appears to have Masonic roots.
Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, Albert Pike, author of the classic treatise of the Masons, Morals and Dogma, has stated: “Masonry. . . conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, and uses false explanations (lies) and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead.”
“Yes, Lucifer is God. . . The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.” General Albert Pike, 33, Sovereign Grand Commander of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, USA
“One of the unheralded and least known facts about Freemasonry and the Masonic Lodge is its Jewish origins and nature. The religion of Judaism, based on the Babylonian Talmud, and the Jewish Kabala, an alchemical system of magic and deviltry, form the basis for the Scottish Rite’s 33 ritual degree ceremonies.” Masonic Jews Plot to Control the World, Texe Marrs
Its Jewish origins and nature are further demonstrated by the following: 1) It uses only the Old Testament for saying oaths. Use of the New Testament is forbidden, and, 2) It prohibits the mention of the name of Jesus Christ within the lodge.
The Jewish Tribune of New York, on October 28, 1927, stated; “Masonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic Ritual and what is left?”
The well known rabbi, Isaac Wise, was emphatic when he concluded: “Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end.”
Freemasonry - the worship of Lucifer - will be the ultimate One World Religion soon imposed on the entire world by the One World Government.

[chicken]

I am a bit confused here

I live in an area which is fascist in nature - as I said theosophical, darwin and hitler influenced.

and then "freemasonry is jewish in conception"

but both are based on worship of lucifer?

the underlying thing seems to be eugenics - if i read that right. Also theosopholoists, hitler, not sure about Darwin were into white supremacy. White - pure blood. No mental issues etc etc.....

The jews were got rid of as they were a master race and were a threat to society as a whole - because they were good at what they did.

Its not as simple as I put it I am sure. But hope you get my drift....?

chicken

[nuit]

and yet as i stated in another thread it is an ideal of freemasonry that religion is forbidden from there meetings

[eternal_spirit]

and yet as i stated in another thread it is an ideal of freemasonry that religion is forbidden from there meetings

...............

Freemasons can join and be part of a church and religion outside of the "Lodge" regardless of race or religion, a man can become a Mason.

[nuit]

...............

Freemasons can join and be part of a church and religion outside of the "Lodge" regardless of race or religion, a man can become a Mason.

it is true membership is potentially open to anyone over the age of 21 with a belief in a supreme being

[celtic isis]

...............

Freemasons can join and be part of a church and religion outside of the "Lodge" regardless of race or religion, a man can become a Mason.

true and i should know :) lol

there is NO religon in freemasonry.

It's about exploration of the esoteric knowledge, of how it applies to you, to society etc...there's no religon. There my be codes, certain tradition but that doesn't make it a religon. It's more like college.

One assignment recently with the logde (my oh did the speech on this subject and read it to me) was "What happiness for humanity?". "quel bonheur pur l'humanité?" very interesting.

[celtic isis]

it is true membership is potentially open to anyone over the age of 21 with a belief in a supreme being

potentially but...you have to be referred or suggested to the lodge by someone who is already a mason, unless you have a family member who is already a mason i.e. your dad, grandad, perhaps uncle or bother too i'm not sure...

so you have to be put forward, you have to write to the head of the lodge to state that you wish to become a mason...then you are interviewed at the lodge...blah blah it's all very serious :rolleyes: and then there's a big vote one night with the members and black and white balls.

they want to see that you're serious about being a mason and i know you'll all be thinking it's to see if you can be "trusted" or not. spit on the cross :rolleyes: doesn't happen. But yeah they'd want to see you're not a twat going to boast about being a mason.

it's not that easy to be a mason, they don't seem to recruit any old drone you know, despite what a lot of people here may believe. I mean, just not drones in the sense of people who are easily brainwashed, and not selecting people who think highly of themselves either and think that they are "choosen" just cause they're a mason.

i wouldnt be one, if i could lol but anyway, i'm not going to force my will on anyone else...or try not to... :o

[celtic isis]

I am a bit confused here

I live in an area which is fascist in nature - as I said theosophical, darwin and hitler influenced.

and then "freemasonry is jewish in conception"

but both are based on worship of lucifer?

the underlying thing seems to be eugenics - if i read that right. Also theosopholoists, hitler, not sure about Darwin were into white supremacy. White - pure blood. No mental issues etc etc.....

The jews were got rid of as they were a master race and were a threat to society as a whole - because they were good at what they did.

Its not as simple as I put it I am sure. But hope you get my drift....?

chicken

no don't give credit to the jews for everything! hehe

freemasonry isn't jewish!!!!

[nuit]

potentially but...you have to be referred or suggested to the lodge by someone who is already a mason, unless you have a family member who is already a mason i.e. your dad, grandad, perhaps uncle or bother too i'm not sure...

so you have to be put forward, you have to write to the head of the lodge to state that you wish to become a mason...then you are interviewed at the lodge...blah blah it's all very serious :rolleyes: and then there's a big vote one night with the members and black and white balls.

they want to see that you're serious about being a mason and i know you'll all be thinking it's to see if you can be "trusted" or not. spit on the cross :rolleyes: doesn't happen. But yeah they'd want to see you're not a twat going to boast about being a mason.

it's not that easy to be a mason, they don't seem to recruit any old drone you know, despite what a lot of people here may believe. I mean, just not drones in the sense of people who are easily brainwashed, and not selecting people who think highly of themselves either and think that they are "choosen" just cause they're a mason.

i wouldnt be one, if i could lol but anyway, i'm not going to force my will on anyone else...or try not to... :o

which is why i used the term potentially , and yes i am up on the world of freemasonry and it's expectations, which is why i feel threads like this should show both sides of the argument

[celtic isis]

which is why i used the term potentially , and yes i am up on the world of freemasonry and it's expectations, which is why i feel threads like this should show both sides of the argument

yes i see you that know about freemasonry :)

yep i agree that threads like this should show experiences of and thoughts about freemasonry from both sides.

it's a toughy - i really can say though my experience is not that it's a religon, or that it brainwashes or otherwise interferes (with life in general) being involved with someone who is a mason.


they're looking for their own truth, at least they're one step above the sheeple for actually bothering to take a step back and look at how things are in society and the world system in general.

as nuit said before ideally in freemasonry religon should be left at the door, preconceptions and strong beliefs etc

but i'm not saying it's a great thing freemasonry, it's all shrouded in so much mystery...it's funny that the sheeple among us just block out freemasonry, they just can't think that people can know or be involved in anything shady, that they aren't informed about through the normal avenues LMAO such as mainstream media and news...:rolleyes: they think freemasonry etc doesn't apply to them or affect their lives in any way yet a huge percentage of world leaders down to local civil servants are members of some brotherhood doing their wheelings and dealings...

[synergy777]

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/03mar/masonserpent.html

The Serpent and the Real Origins of Freemasonry
2006 03 06

By Philip Gardiner | bestsyndication.com

Abraham the Israelite father of mankind, and Hiram of the Freemasons, are one and the same, and both are based upon serpent worshippers with Indian Naga or serpent deity backgrounds. A grand statement, but one that I am not alone in making.

Flavious Josephus said in his History of the Jews:

“These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani.”

Megasthenes, sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, also said that the Jews were called “Kalani” and that they were an Indian tribe.

Clearchus of Soli said:

“The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called Jerusalem.”

If Abraham as the father of the Jewish race is therefore a legendary figure of India, then who is he? And did he exist at all? It’s time to upset traditionalists.

The obvious person for an Indian Abraham is Brahma (A-Brahma) who just happens to have a consort and sister named Saraisvati [1]* which is amazingly similar to the name of the Biblical Abraham’s wife - Sarai. Indeed Abraham is said to have learned his trade in Ur (the ‘Ur of the Chaldees’ in the Bible * said to be in ancient Sumer), which is very close to the Persian border * being en-route to India.

It is also a fact that the name of Brahma spread throughout this entire area * so much so, that the Persians even adopted him as one of their deities. So, the very area where Abraham is said to have learned his priestly trade is the very area that the Indian Brahma was being spread and worshipped. What more can we find within this area of the Chaldees?

The Chaldeans were called Kaul-Deva, and they were a priestly caste living in among other places, Afghanistan, Kashmir and Pakistan. (Kaul-Deva meaning the Shining Calani, hence these were enlightened Shining Ones, a group going back to ancient Sumeria and outlined in my book The Shining Ones).

So Abraham/Brahma learned his trade among the Chaldees, who were a priestly caste related to the Indian sub-continent and were the Shining priesthood or enlightened souls. In this respect then Abraham was simply a title given to the high priest or Lord of the sect of Brahma. But if, like in ancient Egypt, he needed to duplicate the life of the gods, then he too would have needed a wife/sister. The fact that Saraisvati was both Brahma’s consort and sister, also relates to the Biblical account of Abraham.

“But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.” (Genesis 20:12.)

This same pattern of hidden Gnosis would later become part of the Mary/Jesus myth. The complex twists and turns that modern writers such as Dan Brown in the Da Vinci Code seem to have to create to explain the seemingly peculiar nature of Jesus’ relationship with Mary the Mother and Mary Magdalene are really quite remarkable. In fact it is simple.

Like Sarai is Saraisvati, she is also Isis, the greatest of Egyptian goddesses. Mary too is a duplicate of Isis. You see Isis was the consort of Osiris, hence the wife part. She was therefore the mother of Horus the Saviour - hence the mother of god. But Horus was Osiris reincarnated and so Isis was also his sister. Mary the Mother, Mary Magdalene the lover/consort and Mary of Bethany the sister are really and truly the hidden aspects of a much older Gnostic tradition that has no literal element at all! The three Mary’s are in reality three aspects of the one feminine principle - the feminine trinity.

Of course, we could find ourselves in trouble here, as nowhere does it state that Mary of Bethany was the sister of Jesus. However, its does state that Mary of Bethany was the sister of Lazarus, whom Jesus raised from the dead, or more pertinently was Jesus, raised from the dead.


Isis and Horus

You see, in Egyptian mythology it was the role of the son of God and saviour, Horus, to raise his father, Osiris, from the dead and in a sense resurrect himself, as Horus was Osiris resurrected.

However, Lazarus and Osiris are distinctly different names and so cannot be related. How wrong this is, although there is still much debate on the exact etymology, many believe that there is a proven link. How?

The ancient Egyptian designation for Osiris was Asar or Azar. Now, when the Egyptians spoke of their Gods they indicated them with “the” and so we would have had “the Azar.” This term “the” also meant Lord or God, like the Greek word for God The-os or Theos. One of the Hebrew terms for Lord was El and was applied to their many deities, such as El-Shaddai or El-hoim. So when the Hebraic writers included Osiris in their myths they put him in as El-Azar * The Lord Osiris. This in the later Latin translation was changed to El-Azar-us. This use of the “us” was the way that masculine names ended under the Roman language. In fact, in Arabic Lazarus is still spelt El-Azir, hence missing the “us”. So we now have El-Azar-us, which reduced further into Lazarus. In this way the Egyptian, or should we say much older mythos, became the literal truth of the Biblical record.

Horus therefore raised “El-Azar-us” or “El-Osiris” from the dead, just as Christ was to raise “Lazarus.” This story in itself is an allegory of the sun god Osiris being reborn but never the less gives us the remarkable fact that Mary of Bethany, as the sister of Lazarus, was in literary and esoteric reality, the sister of Jesus.

And so, as we find that Jesus and Mary were in reality based upon a much older Egyptian mythology, which itself stretches back even further in time to ancient Sumeria, we also find that the story of Abraham and Sarai are no different. In the Koran (6:75) we find that Abraham’s father was called Azar (Osiris), and so Abraham was Horus, just as Jesus was Horus. Lo and behold, we also discover (Luke 16: 22-25) that Lazarus himself rested in the bosom of Abraham, just as Osiris as the crippled god, rested in his resurrecting son’s arms.

And it was this Abraham, this Brahma or Osiris, that is said to have spawned the very Children of Israel. Let’s take a look at Abraham’s sons and see if we can reveal the hidden serpent lineage or serpent secrets that we found elsewhere in The Serpent Grail.

Abraham’s son Ishmael, by Hagar, his maidservant, also had children who lived in India, or Havilah (land of serpents), as it is in Genesis. Both famous sons of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac have names that revert back to the worship of that serpent Hindu deity Siva. [2]

Ishmael is Ish-Maal in Hebrew, and in Sanskrit, Ish-Mahal means ‘Great Siva.’ Isaac is Ishaak in Hebrew, and Ishakhu in Sanskrit * which means ‘Friend of Siva.’ Most startling of all is the very name of Abraham himself, which could mean that Abraham was nothing other than a Naga King - Ab Ram - actually means ‘exalted snake.’

Hiram, the famous Freemasonic and Biblical builder of Temples was Ahi-Ram and it is time to take a look at this mythical character.

Hiram and the Temple

Hiram King of Tyre

Hiram of Tyre, the son of a Jewish mother and a Phoenician father is credited with the decoration of the fabled Temple of Solomon. He was said to have been the “son of a widow of the tribe of Naphtali . . . He cast two bronze pillars” 1 Kings 7:13-15.

The standard of the Tribe of Naphtali, according to Jewish tradition is a serpent or basilisk and this could have come from the Jewish sojourn into Egypt, as Jewish tradition states that Naphtali was the brother of Joseph chosen to represent the family to Pharaoh. Hiram is also said to be a son of the Tribe of Dan (Chronicles 11) and even the tribe of Dan had an emblem, which was the serpent and the horse. Barbara Walker in The Woman’s Encyclopaedia of Myths and Secrets points out:

“Writers of the Old Testament disliked the Danites, whom they called serpents (Genesis 49:17). Nevertheless, they adopted Dani-El or Daniel, a Phoenician god of divination, and transformed him into a Hebrew prophet. His magic powers were like those of the Danites emanating from the Goddess Dana and her sacred serpents…. Daniel was not a personal name but a title, like the Celtic one.”

Here we have a distinct conclusion, that Daniel of the Bible is related to the very same Danu or Dana goddess of Celtic Europe and that this goddess is conclusively related to serpents * in this case the serpens astrological sign as worshipped by the Danites. We also have confirmation that the Jewish people collected their belief system from those around them. Thus far, as we have gathered, they have melded the beliefs of India, Egypt and now Phoenician into their own growing system.

According to the book of Chronicles, this son of Dan, Hiram, was a cunning man, endued with understanding and skilful in the work of gold, silver, brass, stone and timber. He was also credited with certain tools, which could pierce stone. According to the book of Kings the Temple was prepared in stone before it was brought to the site * being something like a ready-made or prefabricated building. It was said that neither hammer nor axe, nor any tool of iron was used in the building. So how was it built? At least, symbolically?

Well, in Exodus, Moses is told to build an altar to the Lord without tools, lest he should pollute it, and it seems the same symbolism was utilized here in the building of the Temple. According to Rabbinical teaching the prefabrication was performed by the Shamir, a giant worm or serpent that could cut stones. Not dissimilar to Norse and Celtic beliefs where Valhalla and Camelot were built with the fire of the dragon. According to the Islamic accounts of Rashi and Maimonides, the Shamir was a living creature. This is hardly likely, unless we understand this creature to be ourselves. Indeed what is more likely is that the idea of the wisdom of the “worm” (which evolved from the word orm for serpent anyway) or snake, Shamir, was used in the construction of the symbolic Temple of man - a Gnostic belief. [3]

It was fabled that serpent-linked Naga’s escaped their country and took this deep and seemingly, architectural, wisdom abroad. This linking of the esoteric and underlying principles of self-illumination manifested here in architectural symbolism eventually gave rise to modern Freemasonry.


Hermes Trismegistus

The ‘architect gods’ such as Thoth or Hermes are linked strongly with the serpent wisdom as we discovered in The Serpent Grail. Other references also link the Shamir to the snake, such as the Testament of Solomon, which calls it a “green stone,” like the Emerald Tablet [4], which obviously provides further evidence for the Shamir to have been serpent wisdom.

Returning to Hiram we find that the name Hir-Am actually means ‘exalted head of the people:’ (Hir = Head, exalted, Am = people) * and is closely related to Abraham (Ab Hir Am).

However, it also has another and more telling meaning.

Ahi-Ram actually means ‘exalted snake.’ So, in either meaning Hiram was the ‘exalted head’ or ‘snake,’ both meanings being paramount to the discovery of the thread of the snake cult and religious underlying beliefs - the mixture of the opposites within one‘s own head as shown in The Serpent Grail.

Hiram was also believed by some (according to David Wood in his book, Genisis) to be descended from Cain via Tubal-Cain who was said to be the only survivor of the “superior race” after the flood.

The race is supposed to be called Elohim (people of the ‘fiery snake’) or the ‘Shining Ones,’ also known as the ‘serpent people.’ This tale is derived from a text known as E or Elohim from around 750 BC and also gives rise to the stories of the Dionysiac Architects - themselves also linked with the Freemasons.

No wonder therefore that the pillars of Hiram should be related closely to the worship of the snake. Rosslyn and especially one of its mock Temple pillars, as we are now so acutely aware, is entwined with the symbolism of snakes * not just as a direct relation to the Norse myths of Yggdrassil, with its gnawing serpent * but ultimately as symbols of the religious power of the Gnostic serpent.

On the Secret Scroll discovered by Andrew Sinclair one of the most important images is the sight of a large, coiled, Serpent beneath the Temple steps, with a crown, a pick and a shovel, as if pointing towards the excavation of the Temple itself.

There is a legend which may back up Andrew Sinclair’s findings and which he does not mention.

This oriental legend tells how the Queen of Sheba was attracted to Hiram and that King Solomon became jealous * so jealous in fact, that he plotted the death of Hiram. Molten metal used in the casting of a ‘brazen sea’ was going to be used to kill Hiram, but he was saved by the “spirit” of Tubal-Cain * his ancestor * who is linked with serpent worship - he was therefore saved by the serpent from death. Hiram threw his “jewel” down a deep well, but was then killed by Solomon’s assassins by a blow to the head. It was said that three masters later found the body and venerated it. The jewel was found and placed on a triangular altar, which Solomon then had erected in a secret vault beneath the Temple. (Josephus, Antiquities V111, 3:4) What was the jewel of this builder, which caused so much veneration? Whatever it was, later crusader knights * under the guise of Knights Templars * were supposedly to dig furiously beneath the Temple to discover. Of course the Templars are believed to have dug for other items, they and others, such as St. Bernard, thought were located there * like the Ark of the Covenant. It may be of course that even this is symbolic and Gnostic language - the eternal search for our own divinity.

Following these dubious excavations both the Templars and the Cistercians under St. Bernard grew in immense wealth. Great building works were carried out across Europe * all hiding secret symbolism of the snake, and all using the architectural skills discovered whilst on their travels in the Middle East. Greatest of all however is the symbolism that was brought back with them and which invaded European culture like a contagious virus, seeping into and onto our buildings and works of art and keeping alive an ancient tradition for us to one day rediscover.


Jachin & Boaz the Twin Towers/Twin Pillars

The hollow and non-literal Brazen Pillars of Hiram became the twin pillars of the later Masons * who themselves, like Moses as the emergent serpent, emerged from the Templars. These pillars were said to be hollow and to contain secret manuscripts * which reminds us of the supposed discovery of the manuscripts from Rennes Le Château, also thought to have been found inside a pillar. In truth they do hold a secret, but not one that can be held in the hand.

Now it is time to take a look at another exterior source on the modern Freemasons to see if there are any parallel influences at play - the Dionysiac Architects we have just mentioned.

These are said by Masonic historians to be the prime originators of their guilds. A secretive group or secret society with doctrines said by Manly P. Hall (in Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy) to be similar to the Freemasons. They are thought to have been great builders, reminiscent of the idea of the great architectural Naga’s who escaped India.

It was supposedly this secret society, under Hiram Abiff, who built the Temple of Solomon and erected the great brass pillars now seen as Boaz and Joachim in Masonry. They were also known as the Roman Collegia and were said to have wandered around like the Medieval Masons, building such fantastic places as the Temple of Diana at Ephesus (John Weisse, The Obelisk and Freemasonry.)

Weisse also points out that the Collegia influenced the Islamic building efforts, which were later to become a turning point in Western European architecture after the crusades and possibly via the Collegia’s influence over the Templars amongst others.

These Collegia were also thought to have been known before the Romans in Greece and were said to have worshipped the serpentine Bacchus. Considering the Masonic fascination with the Druids, there is little wonder that the infamous historian and archaeologist William Stukely believed them to have been the builders of Stonehenge and other ancient monuments. Many Masonic writers love to associate themselves with the Druids and we find that they “had a high veneration for the Serpent. Their great god Hu, was typified by that reptile.” George Oliver, Signs and Symbols (Macoy Publishing New York.)

If it is true that the Dionysiac Architects and the Bacchus/Dionysius-worshipping Greek and Roman Collegia, were among the originators of the Freemasons, then it is highly likely that they were linked also with the serpent-worshipping Druids who were also known as Adders or Snakes. They were all in fact a later showing of the worldwide serpent cult * the same as those in India, Egypt and elsewhere, who all had fantastic building skills and held secrets of the true and hidden Gnostic traditions. Today we can still see a remnant of this great architectural, serpent-worshipping and secretive cult in the Masons. As George Oliver points out “The Serpent is universally esteemed a legitimate symbol of Freemasonry” and now we see its history is world-wide and some would say justifiably kept alive within the initiated Freemasons.

Philip Gardiner is the author of The Serpent Grail, Gnosis: The Secret of Solomon’s Temple Revealed and The Shining Ones. He can be contact via his website at www.philipgardiner.net

Notes:

1. Brahma is the subtle life-force or the spirit itself and Saraisvati was the River of Life. See The Wonder that was India by A. L. Basham, Fontana Ancient History, 1967.

2. Mahadeva, one of Siva’s names, is often represented with a snake entwined around his neck, arms and hair. His consort, Parvati, is likewise represented. Bhairava, the Avatar of Siva, sits upon the coils of a serpent, whose “head rises above that of the gods.” According to Hyde Clarke & C. Staniland Wake in Serpent and Siva Worship, Siva is the same as Rudra, the healer, and is called the King of Serpents. He is depicted with a garland of skulls, symbolizing time measured in years, the changing of ages. He is called sometimes Nagabhushana Vyalakalpa or “having serpents round his neck” and Nagaharadhrik or “wearing serpent-necklaces” and also Nagaendra, Nagesha or “king of Nagas” is also known as Nakula, the “mongoose” which means one who is immune from the venom of the snake.

3. See Gnosis: The Secret of Solomon’s Temple Revealed by Philip Gardiner due out March 06 under Radikal Books.

4. The word, Emerald comes from the Greek, smaragdos, which simply means ‘green stone’ * although true emeralds have been popular for well over 4,000 years. Cleopatra, the famous Queen of Egypt who died from the bite of an Asp, was fond of them * and more than any other gem! She had the emerald mined near Aswan. The emerald is found on Jewish breastplates and is used as Indian Talismans. Spaniards stole it during the conquest of South America and the Incas held it in high veneration. It is said to cure fevers, epilepsy, leprosy, dysentery, opthalmia, bleeding, liver problems and stings from venomous beasts. It was also strangely said to “blind” serpents.

The Emerald Tablet is a summary of alchemical thought - existing in Arabic and Greek - and mainly having roots in Roman and Greek alchemy, especially that of Hermes - thus bringing to mind that it must originate from the same source as the Dionysiac Architects or the Roman Collegia.

One of the earliest recordings of its existence is from an 8th century, Arabic work. Some relate the Emerald to the Sacro Catino of Genoa, the supposed Holy Grail, said to have been in the possession of the Queen of Sheba, which was made from green or emerald glass.

It was believed that a physician named Galienus who calls it the Table of Zaradi recovered The Tablet from the Thrice Great Hermes. Many believe Galienus to be the surgeon Galen, but others believe it to be a mistranslation of Balinas (Apollonius of Tyana.) If this is the case, then the Emerald Tablet of the great serpent deity, Hermes, would be coming directly from the sage who visited the Naga (serpent) kings of India and Kashmir and who is himself said to be long-lived.

The term, Zaradi derives from the word for ‘underground cave’ or ‘chamber’ and alludes to an “otherworldly” domain * possibly the Shamanic Underworld.

Other people said to have discovered the Tablet are equally incorporated into the serpent worship story. Alexander the Great and Zara (Sarah) * the wife of Abraham * who is said to have taken it from the hands of Hermes just after the flood.

Philip Gardiner is a best selling author of The Shining Ones, The Serpent Grail and Gnosis: The Secret of Solomon’s Temple Revealed

He can be seen on TV, heard on radio and has written for hundreds of magazines around the world. His website is www.philipgardiner.net

Article from: http://www.bestsyndication.com/Articles/
2006/g/gardiner_philip/02/022906_serpent.htm


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Posted in Rastas by Don Jaide on October 9, 2006.

Ancient African Kings Of India By Dr. Clyde Winters

Ethiopians have had very intimate relations with Indians. In fact, in antiquity the Ethiopians ruled much of India. These Ethiopians were called the Naga. It was the Naga who created Sanskrit.

A reading of ancient Dravidian literature which dates back to 500 BC, gives us considerable information on the Naga. In Indian tradition the Naga won central India from the Villavar (bowmen) and Minavar (fishermen).

The Naga were great seamen who ruled much of India, Sri Lanka and Burma. To the Aryans they described as half man and snake. The Tamil knew them as warlike people who used the bow and noose.

The earliest mention of the Naga, appear in the Ramayana, they are also mentioned in the Mahabharata. In the Mahabharata we discover that the Naga had the capital city in the Dekkan, and other cities spread between the Jumna and Ganges as early as 1300 BC.

The Dravidian classic, the Chilappathikaran made it clear that the first great kingdom of India was Naganadu.

The Naga probably came from Kush-Punt/Ethiopia. The Puntites were the greatest sailors of the ancient world. In the Egyptian inscriptions there is mention of the Puntite ports of Outculit, Hamesu and Tekaru, which corresponds to Adulis, Hamasen and Tigre.

In Sumerian text, it is claimed that the Puntites traded with the people of the Indus Valley or Dilmun. According to S.N. Kramer in The Sumerians, part of Punt was probably called Meluhha, and Dilmun was probably the ancient name of the Indus Valley. (Today some scholars maintain that Oman, where we find no ancient cities was Dilmun and the Indus Valley may have been Meluhha).

Ancient Ethiopian traditions support the rule of Puntites or Ethiopians of India. In the Kebra Nagast, we find mention of the Arwe kings who ruled India. The founder of the dynasty was Za Besi Angabo. This dynasty according to the Kebra Nagast began around 1370 BC. These rulers of India and Ethiopia were called Nagas. The Kebra Nagast claims that ” Queen Makeda “had servants and merchants; they traded for her at sea and on land in the Indies and Aswan”. It also says that her son Ebna Hakim or Menelik I, made a campaign in the Indian Sea; the king of India made gifts and donations and prostrated himself before him”. It is also said that Menalik ruled an empire that extended from the rivers of Egypt (Blue Nile) to the west and from the south Shoa to eastern India”, according to the Kebra Nagast. The Kebra Nagast identification of an eastern Indian empre ruled by the Naga, corresponds to the Naga colonies in the Dekkan, and on the East
coast between the Kaviri and Vaigai rivers.

The presence of Meluhhaites/ Puntites in India may expain the Greek tradition of Kusites ruling India up to the Ganges. It would also explain the Aryan traditions of Mlechchas ( Sanskrit name for some of the non-Aryan people) as one of the aboriginal groups of India. Many scholars associate the name Mlechchas with Meluhha.

The major Naga tribes were the Maravar, Eyinar, Oliyar, Oviyar, Aru-Valur and Parathavar. The Nagas resisted the invansion of the Cholas. In the Kalittokai IV,1-5, the Naga are described as being “of strong limbs and hardy frames and fierce looking tigers wearing long and curled locks of hair.” The Naga kings of Sri Lanka are mentioned in the: Mahawanso, and are said to have later become Dravidians, as testified to by the names of these people: Naganathan, Nagaratnam, Nagaraja and etc.

The major gift of the Naga to India was the writing system: Nagari. Nagari is the name for the Sanskrit script. Over a hundred years ago Sir William Jones, pointed out that the ancient Ethiopic and Sanskrit writing are one and the same.

William Jones, explained that the Ethiopian origin of Sanskrit was supported by the fact that both writing systems the writing went from left to right and the vowels were annexed to the consonants. Today Eurocentric scholars teach that Indians taught writing to the Ethiopians, yet the name Nagari for Sanskrit betrays the Ethiopia origin of this form of writing. Moreover, it is interesting to note that Sanskrit vowels: a,aa,’,I,u,e,o, virama etc., are in the same order as Geez.

The Ethiopian script has influenced many other writing systems. Y.M. Kobishnor, in the Unesco History of Africa, maintains that Ethiopic was used as the model for Armenian writing, as was many of the Transcaucasian scripts. Dravidian literature indicate that the Naga may have introduced worship of Kali, the Serpent, Murugan and the Sun or Krishna. It is interesting to note that a god called Murugan is worshipped by many people in East Africa.

It is interesting that Krishna, who was associated with the Sun, means Black, this is analogous to the meaning of Khons of the Kushites. Homer, described Hercules as follows: “Black he stood as night his bow uncased, his arrow string for flight”. This mention of arrows identifies the Kushites as warriors who used the bow, a common weapon of the Kushites and the Naga.

Kumarinadu

The Naga or Ethiopians were defeated by Dravidian speaking people from Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu is suppose to have formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa. This landmass is mentioned in the Silappadikaram, which said that Kamarinadu was made up of seven nadus or regions. The Dravidian scholars Adiyarkunallar and Nachinaar wrote about the ancient principalities of Tamilaham, which existed on Kamarinadu.

Kumarinadu was ruled by the Pandyans/Pandians at Madurai before it
sunk beneath the sea. The greatest king of Kumarinadu was Sengoon.
According to Dravidian scholars the Pandyans worshipped the goddess Kumari Amman. This Amman, probably corresponds to the ancient god Amon of the Kushites.

The Kalittokai 104, makes it clear that after the Pandyans were forced to migrate off their Island home into South India, “to compensate for the area lost to the great waves of the sea, King Pandia without tiresome moved to the other countries and won them. Removing the emblems of tiger (Cholas) and bow (Cheras) he, in their place inscribed his reputed emblem fish (Pandia’s) and valiantly made his enemies bow to him”.

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29 Responses “Ancient African Kings Of India - By Dr. Clyde Winters”
Satyameva Jayate replied:

Some think it very likely that India’s Sadhus inspired the Rastas. The Sadhus give up all worldly posessions, grow their hair in dreads (the hair of Shiva) smoke ganga, shun alcohol and devote themselves to spiritual realisation. They’ve lived like this for millenia and they’re very healthy people.

October 16th, 2006 at 12:34 pm. Permalink.

sivanagaiah bolleddu replied:

I really respect you.

December 4th, 2006 at 1:17 am. Permalink.

VINAY replied:

I find it the other way around. The ancient indians influence was far spread, and africa had several indian trade posts along its cost and near egypt. The rastas were and are inspired by the sadhus of india. There was no such aryan invasion in india. India is a melting pot, I am northern indian and my grandmother is dark and I her daughter my mother is very fair skin. Color has nothing to so with orientation of a people. India is a vast nation with as many different creatures as people and as the mango.

February 3rd, 2007 at 11:15 pm. Permalink.

yemane replied:

Hello Dear

Is there any name i Indian language pronounced as SERAYE/SERAIE word …?

If so , please drop me a line?

February 26th, 2007 at 6:21 pm. Permalink.

OM Kali Baaba replied:

VINAY’s reply is typical of most modern thinking racially, culturally, and historically ignorant Northern Indians. To deny or say that there was no “Aryan invasion” in India (against India’s Aboriginal Dravidian Races), and that pigment (skin colour) has nothing to do with the (Indian) orientation of a people; is shamefully ridiculous and is completely negated by India’s still existent and predominate “Varna”- Caste System.

This has become an organized and propagated false doctrine in an effort of covering over and denying the extreme racist and sexist history of India, The Great Classic and Epic Battles (Mahabhrata, Ramayana, and Bhagavad-gita were each and all conflicts between the invading Aryans and the Indigenous Dravidian Peoples.

I would suggest that my Brother do a lot more (unbiased) research and study of Indian Vedic and (especially) pre-Vedic history.

OM Hreem Namaha Sivaya

March 6th, 2007 at 1:37 am. Permalink.

OM Kali Baaba replied:

VINAY’s reply is typical of most modern thinking racially, culturally, and historically ignorant Northern Indians. To deny or say that there was no “Aryan invasion” in India (against India’s Aboriginal Dravidian Races), and that pigment (skin colour) has nothing to do with the (Indian) orientation of a people; is shamefully ridiculous and is completely negated by India’s still existent and predominate “Varna”- Caste System.

This has become an organized and propagated false doctrine in an effort of covering over and denying the extreme racist and sexist history of India, The Great Classic and Epic Battles (Mahabhrata, Ramayana, and Bhagavad-gita were each and all conflicts between the invading Aryans and the Indigenous Dravidian Peoples.

I would suggest that my Brother/Sister do a lot more (unbiased) research and study of Indian Vedic and (especially) pre-Vedic history.

OM Hreem Namaha Sivaya

March 6th, 2007 at 1:41 am. Permalink.

Mog Rhod replied:

You might want to check out the association between Queen Makeda and the phenomenon of “Makara” which is a sea creature similar to half man-half fish, and associated with crocodile.

http://www.khandro.net/mysterious_makaras1.htm

Bernard Sergent in various places has also verified the link between East Africa and Dravidian.

http://www.svabhinava.org/AITv.....vidian.htm

And as far as the two-headed snake symbolism of Murukan, the ear rings of the Swahili speaking peoples has had two headed animals since ancient times (but sorry don’t have time to look up date at moment).

There is a definite link between East Africa and Dravidian/Tamil indiginous peoples of India, but the question is how far back in time, certainly the possibility of of ancient TWO WAY trade DRAVID/EAST AFRICA is likely. Though everywhere was essentially colonized by Africa, the argument that East Africans were at the kickoff of technological colonialism (writing being the first important technology) needs to be thoroughly investigated.

It is also possible that early scripts were developed in South East Asia by Austronesians who used solely perishable materials like palm leave and bamboo by Black Asiatic Austronesian types.

We’re all getting closer to the truth, but can we not ask the question that the so called “Northern” Indians (Arya were never ONE ethnicity) have stolen DALIT history, must East Africans now colonize the Dalits all over again?

Just a question.

And there is no denying huge foreign influences coming into India, but there is also an argument that the so called Arya were from as close as Pakistan.

The DNA and linguistics will vette some of this, but I agree that the Eurocentric viewpoint has to be challenged for its various garbage and baggage.

And as far as Vedic, pre-Vedic, much original philosophy has always survived in India, and much of it is actually Dravidian poking through. Although the WHITE view needs to be overturned, as well as the evil of untouchable status, Hinduism itself is largely African though, and deeper than that all tantra (shamanic realization of nondual mind) and vedic thought is based on the essential component and blueprint of all humanity, and cannot be patented by any one people.

Enlightenment can happen spontaneously in the remotest jungle, far from the reaches of so called “civilization” (i.e. Pratekya Buddha).

March 14th, 2007 at 5:40 pm. Permalink.

Mog Rhod replied:

Though it is interesting that Nagas are associated with Mount SUmeru (or Mount Meru, su meaning excellent), and of course I’ve communicated with Clyde about SHU being the oldest linguistic philological archetype for conveying “Truth”, as well as the origin of the Sacrificial King Cult of Heracles (Glory of black Hera). Whether the Egytpian deity Shu, or Zulu (sky or heaven), the Sulu Sea in Southeast Asia, or the various cognate words for SHU in Swahili (which match both breath, meditation, perception, orgasm and sewing) (Sutra SKT SIV to sew).

And what does SHU mean in Chinese?

SHU means Dragon.

Thus is the Sutra of Shu, and why Akhenaten had both Nubians in his family as well as SUrya worshipping Mitanni).

Did y’all know that the supposed monotheistic Akhenaten thought of himself as an incarnation of SHU and his wife TEFNUT. SHU and SHAKTI.

- Bill

Om Mani Peme Hung

(P.S. Zeus was a Zulu)

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from what i have recently discovered thanks to my friend pepi.

the hamatic ethiopians/hebrews were in conflict with indo europeans, eg the indian ancestors of semites(jews & arabs)/europeans, hence the division in india of the african-dravidian/south and the indo-european/northern.

you get this today with dalits/dravidic and the northern indians.

the priesthood that won, which went to babylon with lingha cult, joined the corrupt egyptain priesthood/obelisk cult, these in babylon created the talmud and created the new improved masonic/messianic religions, trying to seperate us from the source/creator with intermediaries eg the clergy/divine right of kings-messiah.

this is why yashuah etc said he was the son of man/humanity, the son of the father/creator, a teacher/brother, not king/divine monarch etc. this is why the elite hated these teachers, as they showed the elite/clergy/divine rights of kings/messianic kingship to be false.

they showed equality and unity

could the detractors of yashuah, disprove freemasonary, no, why because if evil exists, then so does good/creator.

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Freemasonry in England & Wales.

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Membership is open to men of all faiths who are law-abiding, of good character and who acknowledge a belief in God. Freemasonry is a multi-racial and multi-cultural organisation. It has attracted men of goodwill from all sectors of the community into membership. There are similar Masonic organisations for women.

- http://www.ugle.org.uk/masonry/A2L-who-can-join.htm


there you go, the templars/crusaders-masons-jesuits/vatican-nwo.

open to all races/religions, thus, elite come from all religions/races.

i would rather die fighting them, than to live one second as one of them.

[zero1]

I would rather die fighting them, than to live one second as one of them.

Here here, but better to Live opposing them. ;) The dead can't dance, as they say...

[synergy777]

zero spot on, but you shouldn't live with a fear of death either, as then you have fear and fear stops you being secure/confident in yourself, which then leads to compromised actions.

fear breeds anger, which grows into hate, and hate is the love you miss.

[magna_carta]

I'm not a Mason so wouldn't know what goes on with it.

I just find it strange that they had to commit blatent treason to try and erase their own nation and send what's left of the British empire into an illegal war where no apparent threat existed.

Gordon Brown - Gordon Brown New World Order Speech - YouTube

Gordon Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[synergy777]

http://khanverse.blogspot.com/2008/02/rothschild-illuminati-banking-weishaupt.html

great video on the nwo/rothschild.

[magna_carta]

Thanks for the link, I will watch it in full later.

[ichi wa zen]

Freemasonry, worship of the EGO.