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soul_traveller
10-05-2010, 01:28 AM
Can the admin or moderators or someone forward the following to David Icke. So he is aware of the double standards and attack by the Gerald O Donnell. Looks like what David mentioned in his newsletter "The Truth Vibrations...Will End The Control system", is coming true. Where those whom hide behind a mask of "love and light" fakery and fake personas is coming to the surface.

I post this here as I believe its related to David's his new book and the moon matrix.

Gerald O Donnell is the founder of the Academy or Remote Viewing and Remote Influencing based in Florida. (www.probablefuture.com)

I've been researching his RV/RI material for about 5 years off and on, and I've come to the conclusion that Gerald's material is the biggest mind controlled material that I've come across in these areas of thought and research.

Most people on his forum (www.grillflame.net) are completely zombie like or blissed out and spaced out and this is to do with the brainwave mind technologies that are used in his material. They think that they are enlightened and connected to "the one". Yet they seem completely disconnected from reality. It certainly has a very strange energy about it. If you keep doing the courses over and over then one day you will experience a raptor or enlightenment. Sounds like the same old contruct under another name.

The site does not disclose on how this brain wave entrainment stuff works or effects the brain etc. Only what people want to hear so it sells well. What does that tell you? Aren't we always saying read the label on a food product before buying? When are we going to stop giving our power away?

After researching myself and looking at some of Stewart Swerdlow's research about brainwave entrainment, extra low frequencies infrasound, and hemi-sync mind technologies, he warns people not to have anything to do with it. He has had clients coming to him after mental health issues from the Munro Insitiute, all these organisations he says are controlled by the Illuminati. According to him carrier waves holding subliminals being sent remotely by satalite are used that piggy back the sine waves on the brain. After my instincts were telling me a long time ago something was odd along with the strange vibes I get, and slowly coming to similar conclusions as Stewart, I'd say this:

People should be weiry of such stuff as this comes directly from the Illuminati and their mind control projects. These organisations will send the feedback to the Illuminati. I've come to the conslusion based on my experiences that the these mind technologies are dangerous as they damage or dump down the brain and make you docile, submissive to authority, lathergic and the inability to descern. This is exactly the same effect as drinking flouride water or aspartame in suger free drinks etc. Also some of the people on the forum seem to experience some form of mental problems. Also aren't these the same technologies used to torture people and program them to shoot people in the streets? People with depression, mental and emotional problems should not use them. And children should not use these kind of technologies as their brain is still developing. Gerald's site promotes that it is safe to use with children. One of the aims of these new world order mind sound technologies is to re-wire the neuron path ways of the brain.

Who are these people within these communities of "mind research" and personal growth areas? People like Ingo Swann gives me the creeps. I get bad vibes from him.

One of Gerald's theories is the "dark matrix" which is feeding us fear based stories and anyone who communicates fear stories is an agent for the dark matrix, etc. Therefore you must always send positive thoughts and denounce negative thoughts. Sounds rather Orwellian! This means that don't talk about the children situation etc, conspiracies, aliens as this is "holographic inserts" of the dark matrix etc. For some reason they think that it is negative where in truth living in ignorance and be arrogant is deeply dark.

Also we must give thanks and praise the 'Almighty One'.

This is just more tosh to screw with your head - it is the most damning of mind control I've come across. As this means you ignore the ills of the world and people's suffering, etc. If you ignore or turn a blind eye such as child abuse etc, then does that not make you just as responsible as those doing it.

I just can't help thinking that his is in some way related to the 'One' World Religion or New World Religion that some researchers talk about.

Anyone whom works like this has no empathy and it is empathy that determines how connected to consciousness or soul you are. The more alive you are the more empathy and therefore the more awake and the more the Heart is expressed.

The 'awakening' has nothing to do with the new age / holy one of Israel / spiritual postive thoughts crap that Gerald and others like him spew out.

There was a peodaphile case on the Grillflame forum website where the authorities investigated this involved a forum member whom was arrested and sent to prision with her husband for sexually abusing a 14 year old girl in their care. I'll post separately the details about this as it relates to what I've mentioned above. When I pointed out this sometime ago as everyone wondered what happened to the forum member, they hushed it up by locking the thread and there was some very strange responses - mainly they went into denial as it was considered too negative. If you don't think about it then it doesn't exist!

To be fair, I think there is some interesting things that Gerald talks about in his material but it is twisted with mind control. I think there is a lot of disinfo in there. You need to filter the wheat from the chaff. I remember Stewart talking on his DVDs about Remote Viewing, etc and he said, just don't go there, just not worth it. I have to agree with him.

Of course people like this is allowed to belief whatever they like and have opinions of others, etc. But lets not kid ourselves that these guys are enlightened, anything but.

Gerald and those whom worship him or follow his work without question, have only scratched the surface of what is going on. And I'm sure he once connected (and still does) with something he labels 'the one' when in Israel. But they think that they have sussed it and this far and no further.

I think people like Gerald in the new age are just imprisioned in a religious belief system and if you challenge that then they will attack you since their comfort zones and beleif systems need to be defended.

Here is the childish comment from Gerald about David.

Source:
http://www.grillflame.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12809

About Icke, I know him well, he even wrote me a feedback on my site.
He is a false prophet, if anything. Pure projected agent of the dark side and sadly, since he preaches hatred and fear; very successful at what he does, since most humans resonate to such.
Very Ickeee...Yuck...
I say don't even listen to his voice or open his books because of the energy attached.

Isn't this what happens in the media where you are nice to someone and then go and stab them in the back or spew bile about them in the quite? I mean why not just come out with it rather than hide behind private email correspondence.

I find it interesting of the double standards going on here as you can see below. It looks like 'what goes around comes around' does not apply to those whom claim they are awakened and think they have got it.

Source:
http://www.probablefuture.com/Remote_Influence_Feedback.htm

August 2, 2005. I just read the most recent book by David Icke about the Only Real Reality: Infinite Love. (Infinite Love is the only Truth. Everything else is Illusion. David Icke © 2005), and truly enjoyed it. Bravo! What a trip? Isn't it? In the spirit of One, may I say to the One (And David will certainly now understand this): Chapeau bas! What a show! The only reel motion picture there can be! Since the direct-or is all the actors, how about the Act-or becoming the director, or is he already? Wild, isn't it?

I can recall when in April 2004, David Icke got our combo course and sent us this nice comments which I had never put in yet, but feel now that I should, for his trip is ours as One, and trippy it is!

Gerald O'Donnell
_________________________________________

Comment by David Icke ... upon purchasing the RV/RI combo on April 12, 2004:

Subject: Wow, he is not alone anymore but all-one!

Hello Gerald ... I have just been reading your site after a recommendation from a visitor to my website and what you say and what I write in my books is virtually identical. Phew, it's not only me then!

I will send you a copy of my latest book, Tales from the Time Loop, which is written in four parts: the five-sense conspiracy; the inter-dimensional conspiracy; it's all an illusion; and transforming the illusion. It is a journey from the five senses to the One very much along the lines of what I have been reading on your site today.

Congratulations on all your work ...

David Icke


This is where Gerald O Donnell seems to rubbish the children situation.

Source:
http://www.grillflame.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4214&p=27884&hilit=reptilian#p27884

You are placing judgment and seem to hate your version of evil, or illuminati, reptilian or whatever you mind has been fed thru books etc.., for I take that you have never been invited directly and witnessed one of these super-duper conspiracy-laden meetings where these evil-ones congregate and where they all supposedly shape-shift and eat little children to satisfy their ravenous appetite for blood or whatever stupidity the dark matrix wants you to believe and keeps on printing and propagating thru its manifold venues and agents.

Bravo, DM for all the holographic inserts! Hehe, very creative! No more dragons to slay, so we go on chasing the modern myths of the day.

Never running out of stories, and of suckers to your dark lies and intents, he?

My experience with interacting with people whom are into this stuff, is they seem to be the most left-brain close minded people I've come across. Certainly those whom follow Gerald's work.

What an irony.

subl1minal
10-05-2010, 01:36 AM
I find it highly ironic that I get nothing but positive energy by just watching Icke, let alone reading one of his books.

Yet just reading a few paragraphs about this Gerald O Donnell has put me off already.

clive w
10-05-2010, 01:37 AM
Brilliant post. Just want to say "Thank You"!

spitalwings
10-05-2010, 03:27 AM
I've often wondered about brain entrainment sounds, how would you know what they're doing to your mind? If they can do good things i'm certain they can do bad shit to your brain. Plus they're freely availabe to illegally download, idoser, hemisync etc.

starshine
10-05-2010, 11:36 AM
That for the free publicity for this asshole SoulTraveller. Enough of this git please and he is using the name of Icke to go get further in his excuse of a life.

edelweiss pirate
10-05-2010, 03:37 PM
I find it highly ironic that I get nothing but positive energy by just watching Icke, let alone reading one of his books.

Yet just reading a few paragraphs about this Gerald O Donnell has put me off already.

True!

Very positive. Best book I've ever read The Biggest Secret.
Even my dad was spellbound. He read it constantly over the space of two days. He couldn't put it down.

I also love the way Icke never attacks anyone, but they all seem to have it in for him. And while I like someone like Alan Watt I do notice that he is a bit eager to put others down to make himself look good.

He's a good guy. I like Icke.

edelweiss pirate
10-05-2010, 03:38 PM
You may not believe in Reptilians, but you don't have to. There's more than enough other good information in his books.

There's more to Icke than the Reptilians.


But who knows, he might be right for all that.

subl1minal
10-05-2010, 03:44 PM
You may not believe in Reptilians, but you don't have to. There's more than enough other good information in his books.

There's more to Icke than the Reptilians.


But who knows, he might be right for all that.

I agree, even if the Reptilian aspect is totally false, the rest just makes perfect sense!

The other thing I hate about Icke 'Haters' is when they mention he's all about selling books and blablabla. When near enough all of the interviews he does are free and in all of them he gives a rundown on everything that's going on and then gives every one the obvious solution.

If you want the whole backstory he's researched and provided, then yes £45 for a talk or £20 for a book. But you don't have to go to every show or buy every one of the books!! (or any of the books for that matter) I watched his Australian 2009 presentation on YouTube and that was enough in itself and it was free!

Then you got all these people mouthing off about it and then going to write books themselves or already have! (*cough* Delooze and John Harris *cough*)

Funny how you mention The Biggest Secret, it's the 1 of 2 books I own by Icke and I absolutely love it, I know I'll read it again once I'm finished.

pegcityevolve
11-05-2010, 12:38 AM
I've never experienced anything bad with binaural beats. I tried Hemi-Sync's version before, a few parts. I only use Brainsync from Kelly Howell, though.

This guy sure is a two facer, that's all I can say at the moment.

pound
11-05-2010, 12:45 AM
I find it highly ironic that I get nothing but positive energy by just watching Icke, let alone reading one of his books.

Yet just reading a few paragraphs about this Gerald O Donnell has put me off already.


+1...This guy rubs me the wrong way. Definitely a dark being masquerading as some sort of 'light worker'. David was right on about those types and I think this guy fits the bill.

F*ck em!

kappy0405
11-05-2010, 12:52 AM
I find it highly ironic that I get nothing but positive energy by just watching Icke, let alone reading one of his books.

Yet just reading a few paragraphs about this Gerald O Donnell has put me off already.

was thinking the EXACT same thing.

as lame as it sounds, there have been times where I'd put on an Icke lecture just to feel the positive energy I get from listening to him.. lol

pound
11-05-2010, 12:57 AM
as lame as it sounds, there have been times where I'd put on an Icke lecture just to feel the positive energy I get from listening to him.. lol


Hahaha.....I do that all the time!

His presentations are extremely uplifting.

pound
11-05-2010, 01:00 AM
True!

Very positive. Best book I've ever read The Biggest Secret.
Even my dad was spellbound. He read it constantly over the space of two days. He couldn't put it down.

I also love the way Icke never attacks anyone, but they all seem to have it in for him. And while I like someone like Alan Watt I do notice that he is a bit eager to put others down to make himself look good.

He's a good guy. I like Icke.

I gotta agree.....'The biggest secret' is simply one of the best books ever written in any genre IMHO. Im about 20 pages into it currently (Ive owned the book for almost 3 months now and am just now tearing into it). I would always pick through the chapters on the PDF, but I decided not to long ago that it was mandatory that I own an actual copy.

Every chance I get Im always reccomending it......Hell you can't really go wrong with any of Ickes books!:)

ozpixie
11-05-2010, 06:45 AM
Nothing David says frightens me. In fact, the message is positive. He has a warm, sincere communication style and I am looking forward to getting the new book. Finding time to read it without interruption will be a challenge. Up until today I had never heard of Gerald O'Donnell.

subl1minal
12-05-2010, 01:47 AM
I agree with all of the above. David is like the Grandad I'd love to go visit everyday for words of wisdom! :D (Sorry David, I'm a youngen!)

azureangel
24-05-2010, 09:53 AM
I do really like the Disclosure Project. I may be wrong but it seemed that Gerald O'Donnell put that together. Otherwise, the brain entrainment and other hypnotic programs...I'd avoid those. It's interesting that he would say negative things about David. He does present himself as pretty self-important and appearance-oriented. Thanks for the heads-up about his comments.
Love, angel

heterophobia
24-05-2010, 12:47 PM
Geraold O'Donnell is not a legitimate remote viewer. The End.

ninny
24-05-2010, 06:39 PM
nice post. although that i dont know this community. what you are talking about fits with other communities i know. you are absolutely right that these people exist.

ninny
24-05-2010, 06:41 PM
You may not believe in Reptilians, but you don't have to. There's more than enough other good information in his books.


i guess that's the reason most people are here on the forum. speak for myself, too. ^^

tostada
24-06-2010, 09:59 PM
Three things feed conspiracy theories - paranoia born of the need of self importance. The need for enemies; which comes down to more or less the same thing. The desire for belief even in malignant forms of control rather than in the reality of pure chance chaos and accident.

-Peter J Carroll


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gremlin
24-06-2010, 10:23 PM
Gerald O Donnell < charlatan, don't like his websites at all:(

misterethoughts
26-06-2010, 10:12 PM
Great post!

soul_traveller
26-06-2010, 10:59 PM
To verify the comments above about David Icke were actually coming from Gerald O' Donnell, few weeks ago I did my own correspondence with him asking the following questions about Stewart Swerdlow and David Icke. This is his response...

My Email:

Hi Gerald - I was wondering of what you thought of Stewart Swerdlow someone whom worked on the Mountalk Project?
Also what is your take on the researcher David Icke? Thanks.

****************

Gerald O Donnell:

On Stewart, no opinion.
On the second, he is a false prophet, totally employed and protected by the dark, call them reptilians (underworld demons) if you like, who need our interest and fear thought-energy in order to be energized into existence and power.
His stories are genius fabrications channeled from the dark matrix.
If he were not an agent and is only revealing their so-called plots so openly, he would either dead or injured badly.

How has he come to know and reveal all this? Think about it... The dark is ingeniously clever and manipulative.

Try to stay away.
G

yeah
26-06-2010, 11:30 PM
I corresponded with Mr Odonnell regularly, and always found him to be a truely honest and good person at all times.
I also was a mod on another site where Mr Icke had buisness dealing's, and Mr Icke didn't behave as a good honest man.

a fine naked fellow
27-06-2010, 12:24 AM
One time O Donnell said I was fat. He doesn’t even know me. What a goof.

soul_traveller
27-06-2010, 01:07 AM
I corresponded with Mr Odonnell regularly, and always found him to be a truely honest and good person at all times.
I also was a mod on another site where Mr Icke had buisness dealing's, and Mr Icke didn't behave as a good honest man.

I just don't see it. I have been to Gerald's forum and the people there seem very kind. I have read some of his material and his remote influencing e book is one of the most interesting things I've ever read. But I guess a good dose of skepticism couldn't hurt. Especially when dealing with such unorthodox people such as Gerald or David. I have definitely had my doubts about Gerald, and even though I feel nothing but positive vibes from the guy I think it's important not to take everything he says as gospel truth. The same should be said about anybody. We should all learn not to depend so much on gurus and find out the truth for ourselves.

Gerald's comments about David don't surprise me since they are both so different. Gerald is all about becoming free from fear based programs and David is a conspiracy theorist. I'm not gonna argue about who is right and who is wrong. But remember that we all have our biases and it would be a good idea to read some of Gerald's material before you condemn him.

I highly recommend the RI e book

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9569352/OD...te-Influencing

I am not attacking Mr O Donnell in anyway and I sure he is someone whom is working with the very best of intentions. In fact alot of his ideas I found deeply profound in his E-Book when I bought the courses and integrated them into my own and grateful for that. I agree in part about the conspiracy movement and I would even go as far as saying that its just another religion but then the same goes for the spiritual groupies out there, they all have the evangelist mentality built in them.

I don't agree with what he says about David Icke because I think he is just defending a belief system (satanic abuse, reptilians is too weird so it can't be true, etc) when someone like that whom claim to be connecting to the greater whole would have gone beyond defending personal beliefs.

I don't agree with everything he says about the Dark Matrix as I feel people use it as an excuse to go in denial when they could become more aware and create their own version of change instead they can act ungrounded in a white mist - like the new age where only think positive thoughts and suppress the other aspects of them self (fragmented selves that needs to be integrated) - to me that is mind control and programming.

But I don't know everything and if I find one day I was incorrect in my original post then I'll come back here to correct. His theory about the 'dark matrix' I have put on the back burner but there is something in it for sure.

I have my own mind control and programming issues to deal with as well just like everyone else. But at least I'm willing to acknowledge and be honest where alot of people like to think they have got it and think they are sitting on fluffy clouds. I think a smart man would see that wisdom is knowing how little we know.

People must do there own research and not just because of what I or anyone else says. The last thing I want to is for people to have is a bias just because of what I say.

I'm sick and tired of other researchers attacking each other (due to their own agendas) becuase of differing opinions when we should be focused on what we commonly agree on and just agree to disagree on the stuff we don't. Like some other researchers Mr O' Donnell seems to have missed that point and why I think (just my opinion) he ought to know better. However, just becuase Mr O Donnell bad mouths David Icke does not mean that I will ignore Gerald's research. I couldn't care less, I'm just pointing out the double standards.

You are absolutely right we shouldn't see people's ideas as gospel of truth and that's why I get frustrated with people whom follow any researchers out there where they can see no fault in them. I used to be like that with David's work but after I read some things in Gerald's RI E-Book that help to break up that programming. Now I see the manipulation from a different perspective and reseachers like David Icke in a different way. People like David and others are human and will have their own personal opinions to defend and may not always interpert things correctly.

As for David Icke's business dealings - Can you elegorate further or point to the website? I've heard about Royal Adams and something about Jordan Maxwell but on further analysis they don't seem to stand up to much. I understand that Royal Adams ripped David off.

yeah
27-06-2010, 01:33 AM
Hi S-T,
Understandably you would like to put my comment under the spot light, and dissect, but alas I can not elaborate, as the situation was put to bed many years ago by the site owner. He being a very genuine peaceful person doesn't deserve enraged Icke supporters, demanding answers on his non conspiracy site or via email. There is no point my discussing further conversation i was privy to, for reason's mentioned previous.
(and of course it leaves me wide open to be called a liar, which is fair enough as i understand that this forum is all about proof)
My black typing ink can deal with it:)

mattzadak
08-07-2010, 05:11 AM
icke puts so much research into his works

i dont believe anything is fabricated

and if it was/is i definately would trust his intuition

what he is is a non pop historian or not mainstream historian

he doesnt buy into "thats just a myth" kind of thought

people did not just make up stories in the past, they werent bored and they werent stupid

he works really hard to put all the pieces together

suzanne4sure
08-07-2010, 09:00 PM
All these conspiracy theorists who speak out against one another are really hurting their profit margin. They should do what the fake New Age "gurus" do. Let the "disciples" fight. Stay quiet. And continue to reap the profits. :)

NOTE: I have never heard Icke speak out against any other conspiracy theorist by the way. He seems genuinely supportive of anyone getting the word out. I wish I could say the same about some of his "colleagues". Shame really.

pound
09-07-2010, 01:27 AM
icke puts so much research into his works

i dont believe anything is fabricated

and if it was/is i definately would trust his intuition

what he is is a non pop historian or not mainstream historian

he doesnt buy into "thats just a myth" kind of thought

people did not just make up stories in the past, they werent bored and they werent stupid

he works really hard to put all the pieces together

+1

starshine
09-07-2010, 09:53 AM
Nevermind about this O Donnell person, he is a big zero to myself and this thread basically advertises the man.

soul_traveller
10-07-2011, 09:05 PM
I want to say sorry both to Gerald and for bring up the subject. As I now take back what I originally posted some time ago. My perceptions have changed somewhat since then and I no longer agree with what I originally said.

Not meaning to be confrontational I noticed how many here have responded by not doing any research and if someone makes a comment about David that they do not lot like and since they see David as a possible "messiah" and his material almost like a bible, then they by default attack that other person.

I noticed they see Gerald as a "big nobody" or a "bad person" etc while not doing any research. I ask if David asked you to take a long walk of a short pear - would you do it?

Don't worry I am not picking on anyone or any researcher and his followers (hugh red flag!) here - I see it all over they place. I see it with David Icke, Stewart Swerdlow, Gerald O Donnell and so many others, where people just take on their reality by default. It is not really the researcher's fault on how people react to their information.

When will we start being our own mind?

I don't get any bad vibes from Gerald but someone whom seems most sincere in his intentions. It is always good to have a healthly dose of sceptism about any researcher.

But who knows may be what he says about David is right - I doubt it though and David is doing a great job in giving people powerful insights into new ways of looking at life.

I think its important to focus on what we commonly agree on and ignore the stuff we don't.

Thanks for reading.

energi
11-07-2011, 04:00 PM
Most people on his forum (www.grillflame.net (http://www.grillflame.net)) are completely zombie like or blissed out and spaced out and this is to do with the brainwave mind technologies that are used in his material. They think that they are enlightened and connected to "the one". Yet they seem completely disconnected from reality.
Funny then that this thread (http://grillflame.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3814) reads exactly as if it had been posted on these forums :D... *cue dramatic music*


But really, that O Donnell guy sounds like a prick not worth to waste time on.

sunshined
12-07-2011, 12:46 AM
I want to say sorry both to Gerald and for bring up the subject. As I now take back what I originally posted some time ago. My perceptions have changed somewhat since then and I no longer agree with what I originally said.

Not meaning to be confrontational I noticed how many here have responded by not doing any research and if someone makes a comment about David that they do not lot like and since they see David as a possible "messiah" and his material almost like a bible, then they by default attack that other person.

I noticed they see Gerald as a "big nobody" or a "bad person" etc while not doing any research. I ask if David asked you to take a long walk of a short pear - would you do it?

Don't worry I am not picking on anyone or any researcher and his followers (hugh red flag!) here - I see it all over they place. I see it with David Icke, Stewart Swerdlow, Gerald O Donnell and so many others, where people just take on their reality by default. It is not really the researcher's fault on how people react to their information.

When will we start being our own mind?

I don't get any bad vibes from Gerald but someone whom seems most sincere in his intentions. It is always good to have a healthly dose of sceptism about any researcher.

But who knows may be what he says about David is right - I doubt it though and David is doing a great job in giving people powerful insights into new ways of looking at life.

I think its important to focus on what we commonly agree on and ignore the stuff we don't.

Thanks for reading.

Thank you for having the courage to admit that your perceptions have changed. We can only hope that the other posters on this forum have that ability. But from what I have seen so far, they make quick judgments based on prior conditioning and the funny thing (well, maybe not so funny) is that they come out on the losing end.

torchlight
18-07-2011, 02:54 PM
I want to say sorry both to Gerald and for bring up the subject. As I now take back what I originally posted some time ago. My perceptions have changed somewhat since then and I no longer agree with what I originally said.

Not meaning to be confrontational I noticed how many here have responded by not doing any research and if someone makes a comment about David that they do not lot like and since they see David as a possible "messiah" and his material almost like a bible, then they by default attack that other person.

I noticed they see Gerald as a "big nobody" or a "bad person" etc while not doing any research. I ask if David asked you to take a long walk of a short pear - would you do it?

Don't worry I am not picking on anyone or any researcher and his followers (hugh red flag!) here - I see it all over they place. I see it with David Icke, Stewart Swerdlow, Gerald O Donnell and so many others, where people just take on their reality by default. It is not really the researcher's fault on how people react to their information.

When will we start being our own mind?

I don't get any bad vibes from Gerald but someone whom seems most sincere in his intentions. It is always good to have a healthly dose of sceptism about any researcher.

But who knows may be what he says about David is right - I doubt it though and David is doing a great job in giving people powerful insights into new ways of looking at life.

I think its important to focus on what we commonly agree on and ignore the stuff we don't.

Thanks for reading.

Well personally I don't know about people seeing him as a messiah figure, I certainly don't. I see him as a spiritual leader/prophet with lots of interesting information that he has researched that people are free to accept or reject. Unfortunately most won't listen and will end up giving away their freedoms by accepting the RFID chip and so on.

I see nothing about Davids work that would suggest he is in any way negative, in fact despite all of the horrendous facts about what is happening in the world which he does cover in his books (because people have the right to be exposed to that sort of information about the world they live in), his message is overwhelming positive and can only benefit people. We have nothing to fear because the awakening is happening and in the light of truth demons/reptilians lose their power. David is working for God by helping people come to the truth... simply by exposing the masses to what is really happening. The only people who need worry is the people who will not abandon flawed worldviews even in the face of overwhelming evidence, and people who are trapped in their own hell by holding onto hate and fear, people become imprisoned by their own unhealthy attitudes towards each other and life in general.

The reasons so many people hate David is because they are in denial about the realities he exposes and don't want to contemplate it being true, partly because they are comfortable with the status quo in their own lives. Also people who are consumed with negative energies tend to attack those who resonate with positive energies. That's because negative energy is actually the same wavelength that exists in hell/lower fourth dimension where the demons/reptilians exist. The only way that the demons/reptilians can attempt to maintain their control over this planet in this dimension is to keep us resonating hate and fear, if we refuse to do that and accept the increasing quantities of positive energy and love in our lives then the demons/reptilians cannot possibly win. The days of the demons/reptilians and their interference with the Earth Humans is numbered and they know it, but they are and will continue to inflict as much harm as possible while they are still able to do so.

equinoxboy
18-07-2011, 03:38 PM
What good do we serve to bring each other down? Where is the Love? We are all fellow travellers on a marvelous adventure into the Great Unknown. Each person we come in contact is our Teacher. If we pay attention, we may discern the gift that they bring us, even if they do not know it themselves. No harm can come to our spirit, unless we let it. We are Infinite. Make a choice; Fear or Love. Blessed be!

theabominablephenomenon
19-07-2011, 04:19 PM
You may not believe in Reptilians, but you don't have to. There's more than enough other good information in his books.

There's more to Icke than the Reptilians.


But who knows, he might be right for all that.

There is good info in all his books... but I don't agree with him about everything.

The reptile stuff may seem pretty out there to most but there seems to be a recurring theme of this for a long time well before he mentioned it... I suspect there may be something to it.
It's certainly an attention grabber that put Icke in a more niche market than other similar researchers.

starshine
22-07-2011, 11:13 AM
I bet some Icke deractors are going to foam in the mouth and the mere mention of Gerald O'Donnell for just attacking the man. Maybe he wants the aura of Icke to be someone.:mad:

crisitunity
27-07-2011, 08:11 PM
jealous clown seeks attention, NEXT!

dreamcreator
02-09-2011, 02:24 AM
I think there is some good information in what Gerald O Donnell says. Although I feel he is just defending a belief about himself and life that is why he says this about David. He feels that people should focus on oneness in our hearts as conspiracies are a waste of time and only invoke more separation.

I agree that slot of the conspiracy movement is just another religion just like most spiritual concepts. You put an idea or concept out there and then before long it is common fact backed up with physical evidence. But what if these are put there on purpose as holographic stories / programs (energetic vortices or ebbies) that we decode into a reality construct??? So certain paradigms are maintained and keep those who identify with it in separation? What if conspiracies, just like religion and even spiritual new age concepts are just another part of the program to enslave???

It is all mind control and programming, and you have to really look at life in a deeper operation and where reality is generated from. Otherwise, people will never get it. It's one thing to do some 3D research in the physical and say how people are controlled but it something else to point out that researching into conspiracies is another form of control.

darksideofthemoon
08-02-2012, 10:40 AM
Just thought I'd comment real fast.

Neither Odonnel nor Icke have the whole truth.

I can tell you right off the bat Icke has some truths in his reptilian info, but was ultimately misguided at some point. There are more players than the reppies here, and they operate in a way that is even more strange. They don't shapeshift in the way people think, and they don't necessarily impersonate politicians. It is worse then that, they inhabit bodies and use genetically enhanced/clones to occupy our space-time under the guise of normalcy. And more of course.

Odonnel is kind of like a new age person. His stuff is okay, but I never felt the need to follow through with it.

He's a marketing person and salesperson. Also I heard a while back some people on Grillflame were having Parkinsons symptoms after doing his stuff....

I use whatever I need as tools, but I'm careful in selecting what I do.

Hemi-sync isn't evil lol....its quite basic and works well. Take care.

yeah
10-02-2012, 06:38 AM
There are more players than the reppies here, and they operate in a way that is even more strange. They don't shapeshift in the way people think, and they don't necessarily impersonate politicians. It is worse then that, they inhabit bodies and use genetically enhanced/clones to occupy our space-time under the guise of normalcy. And more of course.


Spookie but as true as truth is. Funny you should mention that i know some-one who has done the course and they too have had stroke/MS symptoms

ozpixie
10-02-2012, 07:04 AM
Hi S-T,
Understandably you would like to put my comment under the spot light, and dissect, but alas I can not elaborate, as the situation was put to bed many years ago by the site owner. He being a very genuine peaceful person doesn't deserve enraged Icke supporters, demanding answers on his non conspiracy site or via email. There is no point my discussing further conversation i was privy to, for reason's mentioned previous.
(and of course it leaves me wide open to be called a liar, which is fair enough as i understand that this forum is all about proof)
My black typing ink can deal with it:)

In all fairness if the matter was 'put to bed many years ago' why bring it up now?

yeah
10-02-2012, 07:36 AM
Why bring up anything:D and as for the site owner he was very old and has now passed on. My love goes to his genuine being here and there and nowhere.

dreamcreator
10-03-2012, 05:42 PM
What are you talking about? The person whom calls himself "Gerald O Donnell" created the courses and maintains and created the website. He is still alive and well so not sure what you mean?

I don't see why you cannot elaborate as the moderator suggests - you don't have to expose names. Just say the truth, and let people deal with it. If they do not like it then that is their choice.

Why bring up anything:D and as for the site owner he was very old and has now passed on. My love goes to his genuine being here and there and nowhere.