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seanx

12-10-2007, 12:35 PM

bigus_dickus

12-10-2007, 12:37 PM

Am I missing something here??

the money?

seanx

12-10-2007, 12:47 PM

the money?

I have no problem with him charging money.

It's only a few bob- great value for all the work he does- but surely
we should be able to quote excellent past articles - now and then -
when the occasion demands it.

Penalizing people who quote 'Dave icke' on the Dave icke forum-seems
just a little bit ....crazy.

tinmenace

12-10-2007, 12:53 PM

SeanX,

I see your point of view. I think quoting from David is fine (although I also understand that this is how David makes his living), and there have been so many times that I've wanted to post his newsletters in full, just to help get a point across. It's frustrating to say the least, and I totally see your point.

I also agree that, knowingly or unknowingly (and this is highly debatable), certain sinister entities have been allowed to grow roots on this forum, which basically invites even more negative vibrational energy. Sometimes you'll find them even being protected, and one has to wonder why. It's also mind-boggling to see who's doing the protecting.

I've been round and round about this issue because, in my mind, the future of mankind and the way forward is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than allowing some cocksucker demon to have his/her free speech.

But, it's not my call. So, what do we do? :confused:

lydia78

12-10-2007, 12:53 PM

It's extraordinary.

I’ve been reading this forum for the past few weeks, without
responding – and the most obnoxious, racist anti-Semitism has
been aired here – without been deleted.

I’ve read the most negative, ‘everything-is-horrible’,
‘we-all-fucking-doomed’ stuff that is posted here every day – without
it been deleted.

And yet – and it’s quite incredible!! ( No- it’s mind-blogging)- when
I posted an article by a certain man named David icke- ANYBODY
here REMEMBER that guy – where he explains in extraordinary, clear
terms how the law of attractions works – IT IS DELETED.

Not the racist stuff.

Not all the negative, depressing stuff -

But positive, uplifting stuff written by the man himself!

And the reason – this stuff can only be seen by premier subscribers.

Now, I’m a premier subscriber.

Everybody here should be – it only costs a few bob – and it’s right
that premier subscribers can access all his articles.

But SURELY reason – and common sense must reign here.

We MUST take context into account.

And surely, when the context demands it (Police Sitting In Car
watching My House thread) – we should be able to quote past articles
by dave icke –where the articles themselves explain perfectly
the point that needs to be made.

I agree that it would not be fair to reprint them all every week –
of course not, but surely, now and then – in the proper context
– we should be able to quote him.

So that you go.

The racist crap and all usual negative crap is fine – but
ANY dave icle articles – definitely OUT!

But there is a positive side!!

For the terrible sin of quoting a past dave icke article – this time,
I’m not going to be given any warning points.

So, it seems……. everything is in- except anything written
by Icke.

Am I missing something here??

Hey Seanx, totally agree with you here, the context is important, deleting the odd extract from Dave's Newletter doesn't make alot of sense to me either....deletion is fair enough if someone is spamming the site with his work, but not in the context you illustrated last night on your post, which was an insight to the relevent thread.
Is there anyway this rule can become a bit more flexible in the future?

candygirl

12-10-2007, 12:54 PM

It is a shame and if an article is quoted by a premier subscriber and read by the non premier subscribers they may change their mind and want to know more about David's work and his invaluable messages and they may then become premier subscribers.
i know David has to make a living but sometimes it is good publicity to give some things away for free because as the saying says what you give out you get back.
The messages David has, have to be repeated for them to sink in and the transformation to take place.
So if an article is quoted why should we be controlled in this way? Are we being policed because of money? What is wrong with quoting David? Who is making these decisions David himself?

bigus_dickus

12-10-2007, 12:55 PM

I have no problem with him charging money.

It's only a few bob- great value for all the work he does- but surely
we should be able to quote excellent past articles - now and then -
when the occasion demands it.

Penalizing people who quote 'Dave icke' on the Dave icke forum-seems
just a little bit ....crazy.

i don't disagree.. but it looks like this newsletter is a source of income for David Icke. he is selling a product - the newsletter, thus he functions like a corporation. a corporation doesn't give away items occasionally, because this would be destructive for their business. they do hand out samples though, so i guess everything would be alright if you just quoted a couple of paragraphs, as a sample of the product, which would also potentially function as promotion.

freespark

12-10-2007, 01:02 PM

i don't disagree.. but it looks like this newsletter is a source of income for David Icke. he is selling a product - the newsletter, thus he functions like a corporation. a corporation doesn't give away items occasionally, because this would be destructive for their business. they do hand out samples though, so i guess everything would be alright if you just quoted a couple of paragraphs, as a sample of the product, which would also potentially function as promotion.

Good point. I think discression should be used by the mods in these cases

Making a new thread pasting a whole newsletter and saying 'New david Icke newsletter here' is very different to quoting a newsletter within an existing thread to make a point. It's not being advertised as a free DI Newsletter but rather buried in an exisiting thread and part of ongoing debate.

There is a big difference.

pollock

12-10-2007, 01:17 PM

tinmenace

12-10-2007, 01:22 PM

Hmmm...
Are no mods going to comment on this?
I do also wonder a bit...
Seems counter productive if you ask me, letting some posters ruin the whole forum with their vibes! And withholding Davids work for monetary reasons just seems like a blasphemy to me?

F

I think for the sake of the bigger picture, Newsletters...like...older than two or three weeks should be available to share on the forum for everyone. That way David doesn't lose (I certainly won't cancel my premier account), and this ESSENTIAL information will help everyone grow. Now is a good time to make this happen.

David? What do you think?

pollock

12-10-2007, 01:28 PM

I think for the sake of the bigger picture, Newsletters...like...older than two or three weeks should be available to share on the forum for everyone. That way David doesn't lose (I certainly won't cancel my premier account), and this ESSENTIAL information will help everyone grow. Now is a good time to make this happen.

David? What do you think?

I agree, I dont mean that I think he should just work for nothing, but like you say, when the news letters are 1-2 months I can see no hurt in letting us see them!

F

tinmenace

12-10-2007, 01:48 PM

I agree, I dont mean that I think he should just work for nothing, but like you say, when the news letters are 1-2 months I can see no hurt in letting us see them!

F

Agreed. There's a lot of REALLY REALLY good newsletters that blow my top off every time I reread them.

I think they could be beneficial to many.

lookfar

12-10-2007, 01:50 PM

whitenight639

12-10-2007, 01:54 PM

It's extraordinary.

I’ve been reading this forum for the past few weeks, without
responding – and the most obnoxious, racist anti-Semitism has
been aired here – without been deleted.

I’ve read the most negative, ‘everything-is-horrible’,
‘we-all-fucking-doomed’ stuff that is posted here every day – without
it been deleted.

And yet – and it’s quite incredible!! ( No- it’s mind-blogging)- when
I posted an article by a certain man named David icke- ANYBODY
here REMEMBER that guy – where he explains in extraordinary, clear
terms how the law of attractions works – IT IS DELETED.

Not the racist stuff.

Not all the negative, depressing stuff -

But positive, uplifting stuff written by the man himself!

And the reason – this stuff can only be seen by premier subscribers.

Now, I’m a premier subscriber.

Everybody here should be – it only costs a few bob – and it’s right
that premier subscribers can access all his articles.

But SURELY reason – and common sense must reign here.

We MUST take context into account.

And surely, when the context demands it (Police Sitting In Car
watching My House thread) – we should be able to quote past articles
by dave icke –where the articles themselves explain perfectly
the point that needs to be made.

I agree that it would not be fair to reprint them all every week –
of course not, but surely, now and then – in the proper context
– we should be able to quote him.

So that you go.

The racist crap and all usual negative crap is fine – but
ANY dave icle articles – definitely OUT!

But there is a positive side!!

For the terrible sin of quoting a past dave icke article – this time,
I’m not going to be given any warning points.

So, it seems……. everything is in- except anything written
by Icke.

Am I missing something here??

David has a living to make, so that we can all benefit from his great insight, the post you are referring to was a substantial amount of this months newsletter, I dont see any harm in quoting a paragraph or 2 but that was nearly the whole newsletter. As for other content on this forum- you should pm a mod or report a post if you feel its inappropriate, It would help us greatly if people voiced there concerns about certain content in way mentioned above.

tinmenace

12-10-2007, 01:56 PM

lookfar

12-10-2007, 02:49 PM

I agree here guys & will check with JP to see what the exact rules are on this... IMO, if it's relevant information it should be allowed to be shared, as it's only information after all. I'm sure the mods were just doing what they were told to do though, which is to delete any newsletters that are posted.

I've just heard from JP that apparently "it's fine to take excerpts from the newsletter but not to post it in it's entirety". He is going to check with Dave though to get an update on this, so as soon as I hear anything I will post back here....

cheesedanish

12-10-2007, 02:53 PM

All I want to say SeanX is that I have enjoyed reading your posts and it
will be sad to see you go - if that is what you are deciding.

seanx

12-10-2007, 07:48 PM

David has a living to make, so that we can all benefit from his great insight, the post you are referring to was a substantial amount of this months newsletter, I dont see any harm in quoting a paragraph or 2 but that was nearly the whole newsletter. As for other content on this forum- you should pm a mod or report a post if you feel its inappropriate, It would help us greatly if people voiced there concerns about certain content in way mentioned above.

How will posting ONE excellent newsletter, where dave icke explains
in one page, the entire essence of the law of attraction that
books like the Secret wraffle on about forever prevent dave icke
from making a living?

Let's have some balance here.

In the name of God, have any of you people ever run a business?

In fact, promoting his best newsletter every month or
so on the forum will show more and more people how good it is - and
actually increase business.

But the main point is- it now seems you can post any nonsense on
this forum - and it's fine- except any material written by Mr.
icke- ON MR. ICKE SITE.

It's beyond my comprehension.

whitenight639

12-10-2007, 07:57 PM

How will posting ONE excellent newsletter, where dave icke explains
in one page, the entire essence of the law of attraction that
books like the Secret wraffle on about forever prevent dave icke
from making a living?

Let's have some balance here.

In the name of God, have any of you people ever run a business?

In fact, promoting his best newsletter every month or
so on the forum will show more and more people how good it is - and
actually increase business.

But the main point is- it now seems you can post any nonsense on
this forum - and it's fine- except any material written by Mr.
icke- ON MR. ICKE SITE.

It's beyond my comprehension.

we cant let someone post the entire newsletter, even if its just once you set the presedent and next month when someone else...... bollocks to this im off to the pub your all ungrateful bastards its £3 a month- if you really want to read it sign up!!

lookfar

12-10-2007, 08:05 PM

But the main point is- it now seems you can post any nonsense on this forum - and it's fine- except any material written by Mr. icke- ON MR. ICKE SITE.

Sean that's not true as it is ok to post excerpts from the newsletters, as JP has confirmed to us above, just not the newsletter in it's entirety.

joss classey

12-10-2007, 08:12 PM

i agree. this forum is fucked up.

you should all feel very ashamed of how shit you are

lilly555

12-10-2007, 08:19 PM

hehe i cant tell if this is supposed to be a joke or not but i find it funny

eternal_spirit

12-10-2007, 09:52 PM

It's extraordinary.

I’ve been reading this forum for the past few weeks, without
responding – and the most obnoxious, racist anti-Semitism has
been aired here – without been deleted.

I’ve read the most negative, ‘everything-is-horrible’,
‘we-all-fucking-doomed’ stuff that is posted here every day – without
it been deleted.

And yet – and it’s quite incredible!! ( No- it’s mind-blogging)- when
I posted an article by a certain man named David icke- ANYBODY
here REMEMBER that guy – where he explains in extraordinary, clear
terms how the law of attractions works – IT IS DELETED.

Not the racist stuff.

Not all the negative, depressing stuff -

But positive, uplifting stuff written by the man himself!

And the reason – this stuff can only be seen by premier subscribers.

Now, I’m a premier subscriber.

Everybody here should be – it only costs a few bob – and it’s right
that premier subscribers can access all his articles.

But SURELY reason – and common sense must reign here.

We MUST take context into account.

And surely, when the context demands it (Police Sitting In Car
watching My House thread) – we should be able to quote past articles
by dave icke –where the articles themselves explain perfectly
the point that needs to be made.

I agree that it would not be fair to reprint them all every week –
of course not, but surely, now and then – in the proper context
– we should be able to quote him.

So that you go.

The racist crap and all usual negative crap is fine – but
ANY dave icle articles – definitely OUT!

So, it seems……. everything is in- except anything written
by Icke.

Am I missing something here??
.............

If that's what you think fine. To point out that certain peoples including Jews are involved in the NWO and PTB
which control us etc...Is not a conspiracy but a reality some of us feel the need to discuss many aspects of the controllers and how they play the game.

The ADL and others have labeled and written about David Icke being on the same side as alleged various right wing groups etc and the shit goes on, including the Icke is anti semitic spiel.

Sure you could start some other discussions seanx.
Anyway you can post parts of news letters.

eternal_spirit

12-10-2007, 09:55 PM

i agree. this forum is fucked up.

you should all feel very ashamed of how shit you are

..................

http://www.peaholmquist.com/bullshit/images/bullshit_pile.jpg

synergy777

12-10-2007, 09:55 PM

sen it via myspace, lol info should be shared. if not we are just copying the elite by hiding info.

stargazer

12-10-2007, 09:57 PM

Money, money, money...

It's the glue that holds this f***ed up system together. :)
No money, no dependence.
I'm glad someone bumped into this issue. :)

You should all stop and read, watch and listen what David is saying, including he himself. We can't really repay David for his work with money, I think the best repayment is love towards him and everybody else.

Also by forcing people into forum "rules boxes" is how different then anything else? I'm not saying he should give away for free but at one time this (money) will have to end. If we want to be really free, we need to get rid of thinking: "Why should I give something to you or work for you for free? How do I know you will give something in return or repay me?"

I'm not trying to hurt anyone. I understand how hard it is to say:"I don't care how, when ,why, if I decide, I will have everything I want without forcing people giving it to me." Price is really just another code for saying:"I want something in return and I want it now."

We should all believe in ourselves. I mean really believe and not just saying it.

We don't have much time left before reptiles (controllers-or whatever you call them) think of another great story on 'How to regain control of the non-believing, waking people no.354##'. That's why they (rep., ill.,...) are waiting for the new age, golden age, when people will believe the new 'reptilian book', mentioned above.

Every now and then (+- 1000 years) people rethink everything collectively and they start to wake up. If we miss this chance, it will be just like all the others before smudged in history.

The key is to BELIEVE.

With love.

PS: I'm no better, so shame on me too.

king

12-10-2007, 10:04 PM

it is clear that David Icke cares more about money than about truth.
But, since conspiracy is the way he makes living -- that is between him and his followers. If they need to pay their big daddy $5 for newsletter in order to feel "connected" or "informed" -- so be it.
I will not even mention that he does not make any posts on his forum, which i think is very telling what matters to him.

please tell me, what was the article that he has written in last 3 or 4 years that was so extraordinary, so mind expanding, so incredible that you could not find it on internet or that you could not write it yourself from what you already know?

i mean, some conclusions in his last newsletter (that i did not subscribe to and that was posted in some other forum) are pretty lame; 4 cars that he had were overheating because he had lots of negative energy?

c-mon people, he probably had bad cars that were in poor mechanical condition, and cooling system is first thing to go on neglected cars.
He is making those cars as sensitive and as alive as human beings are.
I was pissed thousand times and never had overheating issues because
i would service the car on time. And, i used to pound on cars really heavy.

And same strange mind construct goes for any other newsletter that he wrote, he always makes things way to complicated.
Why otherwise would he call human body "a biological computer"?

So why are people surprised that his latest newsletter was pulled of the forum? It is all about money, stupid.
He preaches one thing for those who subscribe to his newsletters and who buy his books, but he does another thing for himself.

You can find lot more good information than it is in Icke's newsletter if you know where to look.
All that David Icke has done is taken other people's work without even giving them due credit, then made his own mind construct of what world is like and then he sold us his ideas in his books and his lectures.
As long as we are buying it -- we should not be complaining.
right?

What is puzzling is that he not only has stagnated in his "research" but he seem to be going backwards. He is still far from understanding the spiritual part of "conspiracy" just like many other reserchers are.

so, why are you people suprised that in his last year or two of his work he is trying to grab as many $$ (or pounds) as he can?

he is aware that he has nothing more to present to his followers, unless he comes up with some new and exiting shit, say NDE.
and knowing Icke he will make it sound unbelievable and people will buy his latest book.

Just like Pike said: "o foolish man what can you be not made believe"

that would be $5 please

:D

seanx

12-10-2007, 10:13 PM

Sean that's not true as it is ok to post excerpts from the newsletters, as JP has confirmed to us above, just not the newsletter in it's entirety.

Yes, I take that point - but it's all about context.

In the thread- we were trying to get across the point - that
reality is more than it seems- that, in fact, we play a part in
creating the reality we experience.

Now - when you have a dave icle article that explains that idea
perfectly- surely it's OK to post it in the middle of a thread.

But obviously not.

Posting quotes is pointless in this case - as the whole article is
needed to explain how this idea of reality creation works.

This idea that is at the heart of dave icke's work.

I find it a very disappointing decision to limit the access to
this great simple article - especially to all the people on this forum
who are not in a position, through one reason or another to
become premier subcribers.

Obviously, other considerations are more important.

Not the forum for me anymore.

Take care.

whitenight639 wrote:

we cant let someone post the entire newsletter, even if its just once you set the presedent and next month when someone else...... bollocks to this im off to the pub your all ungrateful bastards its £3 a month- if you really want to read it sign up!!

Obnoxious comment, Sir.

I'm in a position now to contribute to dave's work - because, luckly, I
now run my own businesses.

Yet, 10 years ago- I was living, virtually pennyless in a grotty bedsit in
Finsbury park, North London.

I could not have afforded then to contribute as a premier subcriber -
but it was THEN, when I had no money, that an article
on the law of attraction and how it works would have been a Godsend.

There are probably other people here now - who may be in that position
I was - and telling them simply to 'bollocks to this im off to the pub
[B]your all ungrateful bastards its £3 a month- if you really want to read
it sign up! - is way off the mark. You have obviously never known
poverty

Print the article instead - and let's everybody see there ARE other possibilities.
Life is not fixed -but infinite - and responsive to your
deepest, bone-deep expectations.

synergy777

12-10-2007, 10:14 PM

i think as wit many things, there are truths and falshoods. his stuff about vibration etc i think is spot on. loa stuff is cool also. the cars, probably due to maintenace/age of cars, lol

seanx

12-10-2007, 10:21 PM

King wrote:

it is clear that David Icke cares more about money than about truth.
But, since conspiracy is the way he makes living -- that is between him and his followers. If they need to pay their big daddy $5 for newsletter in order to feel "connected" or "informed" -- so be it.
I will not even mention that he does not make any posts on his forum, which i think is very telling what matters to him.

please tell me, what was the article that he has written in last 3 or 4 years that was so extraordinary, so mind expanding, so incredible that you could not find it on internet or that you could not write it yourself from what you already know?

i mean, some conclusions in his last newsletter (that i did not subscribe to and that was posted in some other forum) are pretty lame; 4 cars that he had were overheating because he had lots of negative energy?

c-mon people, he probably had bad cars that were in poor mechanical condition, and cooling system is first thing to go on neglected cars.
He is making those cars as sensitive and as alive as human beings are.
I was pissed thousand times and never had overheating issues because
i would service the car on time. And, i used to pound on cars really heavy.

And same strange mind construct goes for any other newsletter that he wrote, he always makes things way to complicated.
Why otherwise would he call human body "a biological computer"?

So why are people surprised that his latest newsletter was pulled of the forum? It is all about money, stupid.
He preaches one thing for those who subscribe to his newsletters and who buy his books, but he does another thing for himself.

You can find lot more good information than it is in Icke's newsletter if you know where to look.
All that David Icke has done is taken other people's work without even giving them due credit, then made his own mind construct of what world is like and then he sold us his ideas in his books and his lectures.
As long as we are buying it -- we should not be complaining.
right?

What is puzzling is that he not only has stagnated in his "research" but he seem to be going backwards. He is still far from understanding the spiritual part of "conspiracy" just like many other reserchers are.

so, why are you people suprised that in his last year or two of his work he is trying to grab as many $$ (or pounds) as he can?

he is aware that he has nothing more to present to his followers, unless he comes up with some new and exiting shit, say NDE.
and knowing Icke he will make it sound unbelievable and people will buy his latest book.

Just like Pike said: "o foolish man what can you be not made believe"

that would be $5 please

Utter, cynical nonsense, mate.

I have no problem contributing just £3 a month to icke for all the work
and research he does.

Well worth it.

In fact, his book Tales of the time loop alone is worth it. A classic.

Even if he never writes another book, that's enough for any man.

stargazer

12-10-2007, 10:36 PM

King wrote:
I have no problem contributing just £3 a month to icke for all the work
and research he does.

Well not everyone can pay.

Don't you give a percentage to NWO(banks) by paying with debit/credit card?
So you don't support just David Icke, but also the bankers (or Illuminati).
And you should also add the % you pay to the Illuminati, just by using the money. :)

Think, don't repeat.

i_am

12-10-2007, 10:40 PM

stargazer

12-10-2007, 11:08 PM

Whether I agree or disagree with what you are saying is irrelevant.

What is relevant, at this point in time, is that is against forum rules to post the entire newsletter.

Disregarding forum rules is not the way to change things. Discuss it rationally, PM sean or whatever but it is David's forum. He and his admin team set the guidelines. That is their prerogative as owners, adminiistrators and funders of the site. We, as mods, see that those guidelines are adhered to.

I would hate to see seanx go as his posts are always interesting.

There is nothing to stop anyone posting excerpts from the newsletter. Pick a section and post it for discussion. No problem.

Whether David should or should not be giving all for free is entirely up to him. He is not perfect and remember the old saying, 'we teach what we need to learn' I am afraid if we really look at ourselves, we will find that is the truth. David Icke is no different. That does not make him a bad person, greedy or what ever term you want to use. It merely makes him human.

edit: this post is not aimed at anyone in particular. It is merely a response to the general direction this thread is going.

Well, I guess you don't see where this forum (movement) is going. We are all trying to tell you. But you don't listen, instead you slap us around with stating rules.

I'm sorry if we break rules and post things we shouldn't or discuss things that are not pretty lovely to listen. But that's what you get when people are waking up. That's how we know all of those things about Illuminati, you can not compare them with Icke but its the same direction. Secrecy + money = no-good

Oh and since this is David Icke's forum, I would really like to read from him personally in his forum.

I don't think any less of David or anyone else. And I think it is time for a great rethink.

tinmenace

12-10-2007, 11:15 PM

SeanX, don't go. Let's wait to hear back from David.

The others that have an ongoing gripe about the forum, David, the admin staff including mods, and the price of newsletters, which you don't even subscribe to...what are you doing here?

What is your purpose for being on this forum? What do you hope to gain here? And what do you have to offer?

king

12-10-2007, 11:30 PM

King wrote:

Utter, cynical nonsense, mate.

I have no problem contributing just £3 a month to icke for all the work
and research he does.

Well worth it.

In fact, his book Tales of the time loop alone is worth it. A classic.

Even if he never writes another book, that's enough for any man.

so, since I am a "cynic" please answer the following questions:
what part of my post is incorrect?
what point would you like to argue?

you seem to be confusing cynicism with truth and factual evidence.

timeloops book was interesting science fiction mixed with science fact.
if you think that that book was his best work -- so be it.

i_am

12-10-2007, 11:37 PM

Well, I guess you don't see where this forum (movement) is going. We are all trying to tell you. But you don't listen, instead you slap us around with stating rules.

I'm sorry if we break rules and post things we shouldn't or discuss things that are not pretty lovely to listen. But that's what you get when people are waking up. That's how we know all of those things about Illuminati, you can not compare them with Icke but its the same direction. Secrecy + money = no-good

Oh and since this is David Icke's forum, I would really like to read from him personally in his forum.

I don't think any less of David or anyone else. And I think it is time for a great rethink.

You are assuming that we do not listen. Of course we listen but as I stated at the beginning, what I think is irrelevant at this point in time. You have no idea what I or other mods say to sean or the other mods and admin.

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately :p, I have not been here while all of this was going on.

I too would have deleted the post because that is what we are instructed to do. Would I have handled it differently? Perhaps, but it is a moot point now, methinks. The mod who handled it was under a lot of pressure due to the fact they were trying to do the job of four or five 24/7. Under the circumstances, and for the main part, IMO they did an excellent job.

king

12-10-2007, 11:49 PM

[QUOTE=tinmenace;155598][COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="3"][FONT="Century Gothic"]SeanX, don't go. Let's wait to hear back from David.

The others that have an ongoing gripe about the forum, David, the admin staff including mods, and the price of newsletters, which you don't even subscribe to...what are you doing here?

What is your purpose for being on this forum? What do you hope to gain here? And what do you have to offer?

how dare I question David Icke?!
yes, my führer, i will not ever, ever question my fearless leader!

<eyeballs rolling>

the reason why those like me who are not believing blindly in David Icke are here is simple:
those who have read many books written by David Icke and who evolved past that point of needing a guru, as a public service to people on this forum
have decided to speak the truth, no matter how some of you may like it.
My post is hopefully making you challenge your own beliefs, just like David Icke himself said and done -- that we should challenge our beliefs.

So, with that in your mind stop being a hypocrite.
It is ok for Icke to pick apart other people's beliefs but no one can challenge
Icke's own beliefs!
now, that is total hypocrisy on your part.

i guess you would like admins/mods to ban all of those posters with controversial views, wouldn't you?

As far as what i have to offer -- go read my posts, you may like them or not, but i am sure that some people do like them. I do not base my posts on being politically correct but i base them on my own quest towards the truth.
and if you do not like that and if you would like to prevent me to speak freely -- use your own advice and leave this forum! If i have made one person think
for him/herself, question his/her own beliefs, or if i pointed out what is obvious to me
I have done a good job. Not to even mention if i trully open your eyes.

now, why are you here?
to stop me in doing my noble goals?

seanx

13-10-2007, 12:03 AM

so, since I am a "cynic" please answer the following questions:
what part of my post is incorrect?
what point would you like to argue?

you seem to be confusing cynicism with truth and factual evidence.

timeloops book was interesting science fiction mixed with science fact.
if you think that that book was his best work -- so be it.

Tales of the time loop - science fiction ?

That reveals all.

No, its about stepping out of the traditional 'materialist
view of the world we have all been brainwashed into.

Your entitled to your opinion- but what beats me is why people like
yourself, who, it is clear from your posts actually hate- and I
use that word purposely -hate the ideas that dave icke is bringing out
into the open - are fucking doing here - wasting all our time.

seanx

13-10-2007, 12:15 AM

too would have deleted the post because that is what we are instructed to do. Would I have handled it differently? Perhaps, but it is a moot point now, methinks. The mod who handled it was under a lot of pressure due to the fact he was trying to do the job of four or five 24/7.

I'm not criticizing the Mod who did it.

Lottie e-mailed me, was very courteous and understanding - and just explained
why, under the rules what had to be done.

No problem there.

abrilliantone

13-10-2007, 12:20 AM

I know I would like to see David Icke participating on the forums now. I mean he's done with his book now. So why not? Having input from David would be beneficial for us all especially for the ones who are new to all of this.

john white

13-10-2007, 12:24 AM

A simple solutuion is to allow the posting of any part of a particular newspaper a few weeks after it has been released: premier subscribers get access to all the previous ones for free when the subscribe anyway,which others will have paid to read at the time of release

I suggest four weeks

The Icke forum must be able to discuss Icke, thats a given: all that should be prevented is exploiting Icke (for example torrent links to pdf's etc)

However, for balance I would say SeanX could have made his point whilst not quoting so much of that newsletter in one place:

Still don't leave mate its only ego

(plus no need to give some individuals satisfaction)

synergy777

13-10-2007, 12:26 AM

john can you delete/mod the jesus thread, geo2 and my posts, after the dali comment.

i went a bit cantona/zidane, again, lol

synergy777

13-10-2007, 12:28 AM

infact, if you ever need another/spare mod, let me know, also i will post on malvern, i have some order/structure now, to put the vedic/celtic stuff in now.

john white

13-10-2007, 12:30 AM

john can you delete/mod the jesus thread, geo2 and my posts, after the dali comment.

I went a bit cantona/zidane, again, lol

I'm not a mod anwhere except malvern messages syn: love to see your vedic info posted on the site though, know theres some people round here would go nuts for it

In fact theres a party at the end of the month locally, so if you've been able to post some material up, I can plug it like crazy to get it some views

synergy777

13-10-2007, 12:32 AM

the thread sig underneath is a little taster,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10287

and the inneri link is a great archive/site for vedic stuff.

http://inneri.forum5.com/

i_am

13-10-2007, 12:33 AM

I'm not criticizing the Mod who did it.

Lottie e-mailed me, was very courteous and understanding - and just explained
why, under the rules what had to be done.

No problem there.

Nah, I know you didn't.

Just pointing out that the mods were just acting in accordance with the guidelines so at this point in time it was the only option.

redtree999

13-10-2007, 01:14 AM

Regarding the commercial aspects:

As I am kind of a new "truth lurker", I'm still finding my way in terms of this forum, but even so, I am quite embarrassed when having found interesting points of view, that when I recommend the site to people, I find it necessary to point out: "You'll have to scroll down past about 30 or so adverts to get to the latest news about how we are being manipulated btw".
Of course, David should be rewarded for his works, but in my opinion perhaps the truth would be easier to find in a situation where commerce is not such a huge factor. There could easily be a sidebar containing buttons for: books, dvds, commercial products etc, leaving the main site for revealing news and discussion.
I can't help it, but it makes me think of "cults" such as scientology and the like, because if you haven't bought 15 books, sent money to "jesus" and seen all the dvds, you are not considered worthy to hold a valid view?
It is a dangerous and complex issue selling any "truth". Especially truths about being controlled by financial obligations.
I fully expect to be "flamed for England" after posting this, but so be it.

damagedbrainn

13-10-2007, 01:27 AM

damagedbrainn

13-10-2007, 01:32 AM

I partially agree with you in regard to how disgusting the racism and anti-semitism is on this forum and how it's so easily accepted by nearly everyone here, either out of indifference or cowardice. But I don't think such things should be deleted or censored, just debated and discredited.

As far as posting David Icke's newsletter, the reason why that isn't allowed should be clear. I mean, he needs money too, just as everyone else here does. "Infinite Love" doesn't pay bills or buy groceries.

whitenight639

13-10-2007, 02:06 AM

Yes, I take that point - but it's all about context.

In the thread- we were trying to get across the point - that
reality is more than it seems- that, in fact, we play a part in
creating the reality we experience.

Now - when you have a dave icle article that explains that idea
perfectly- surely it's OK to post it in the middle of a thread.

But obviously not.

Posting quotes is pointless in this case - as the whole article is
needed to explain how this idea of reality creation works.

This idea that is at the heart of dave icke's work.

I find it a very disappointing decision to limit the access to
this great simple article - especially to all the people on this forum
who are not in a position, through one reason or another to
become premier subcribers.

Obviously, other considerations are more important.

Not the forum for me anymore.

Take care.

whitenight639 wrote:

Obnoxious comment, Sir.

I'm in a position now to contribute to dave's work - because, luckly, I
now run my own businesses.

Yet, 10 years ago- I was living, virtually pennyless in a grotty bedsit in
Finsbury park, North London.

I could not have afforded then to contribute as a premier subcriber -
but it was THEN, when I had no money, that an article
on the law of attraction and how it works would have been a Godsend.

There are probably other people here now - who may be in that position
I was - and telling them simply to 'bollocks to this im off to the pub
[b]your all ungrateful bastards its £3 a month- if you really want to read
it sign up! - is way off the mark. You have obviously never known
poverty

Print the article instead - and let's everybody see there ARE other possibilities.
Life is not fixed -but infinite - and responsive to your
deepest, bone-deep expectations.

not like the starving africans, but north london sounds like paradise (could be worse could be south east!) compared to the hell im in right now, you know relatively nothing about me.

stargazer

13-10-2007, 02:08 AM

You are assuming that we do not listen. Of course we listen but as I stated at the beginning, what I think is irrelevant at this point in time. You have no idea what I or other mods say to sean or the other mods and admin.

It's great to hear that :) I apologize for assuming wrong.
I just think, it would be a waste to see this forum, that is supposed to (and it does-for now) unite people in an afford to free themselves, go down.

The others that have an ongoing gripe about the forum, David, the admin staff including mods, and the price of newsletters, which you don't even subscribe to...what are you doing here?

What is your purpose for being on this forum? What do you hope to gain here? And what do you have to offer?

I think all of those things that we pointed out are true from our point of view (different people-different point's of view). You should just try to understand why do we think that way.
Maybe you will learn something from that, we all may.
As David stated for himself-he is not perfect, I'm not perfect and you probably aren't as well.

And another thing; if you accept nothing, you cannot get anything. We more than offered you something-we gave you our opinions but you've put yourself too high, now you can't accept anything from us.

king

13-10-2007, 02:13 AM

Tales of the time loop - science fiction ?
when i read that book years ago i thought that book was cool, although certain things did not make sense except in writer's head.
that is why I said "part science fiction"

No, its about stepping out of the traditional 'materialist
view of the world we have all been brainwashed into.

oh, you mean like Hindu doctrine that Icke picked up when he spent time in India? The same place he picked up "oneness" and "everything is
illusion" mantra. You did not know that, did you?

i dare you to challenge the "illusory" train by standing on railroad tracks.
I am pretty sure that you won't be able to dematerialize and avoid becoming a red splotch on front of the train.

Your entitled to your opinion- but what beats me is why people like
yourself, who, it is clear from your posts actually hate- and I
use that word purposely -hate the ideas that dave icke is bringing out
into the open - are fucking doing here - wasting all our time.

I do not hate anything or anyone, i may dislike someone/something and i dislike word hate.
For you benefit, I do not dislike Icke and and do not dislike you.
Why should i? because you disagree with me?
However, I will speak out the truth, and if it hurts you so be it.
That is your problem, not mine.
BTW, why are you using word 'hate' and why are you implying that i hate someone/something?

and why the fuck are you wasting my time trying to make me like what you like? (to use your tone of voice)

has it ever occurred to you that have been there where you are now, as far as Icke goes?

stargazer

13-10-2007, 02:22 AM

So you don't use money for anything? Please tell us your secret for living this money-free lifestyle.

Please read it all. :) I believe there is a PS. Right? :)
And it's only my opinion, you are perfectly welcome to have you own.
And I have stated how it could be achieved; by believing. If reality is, what we believe it is, then all we have to do is change/bend believes or add our own believes to it. Isn't Icke saying just that?:) Correct me if I'm wrong.

tinmenace

13-10-2007, 02:23 AM

how dare I question David Icke?!
yes, my führer, i will not ever, ever question my fearless leader!

<eyeballs rolling>

Oh please, if you're going to be sarcastic, do a better job please. :rolleyes:

the reason why those like me who are not believing blindly in David Icke are here is simple:

So, nobody is asking you to believe David Icke. Not even David Icke asks for you to believe him, so why challenge him on HIS beliefs? If you don't believe him, you don't believe him. Fair nuff. But what makes you spend hours and hours on his forum "not believing him"? Don't you have better things to do?

I don't believe the beliefs of the Jehovah Witnesses, but I don't spend day after day, month after month challenging them on a JW forum. If they come here and try to force it on us, yes, then I'll say something but who cares otherwise?

So, your mission is to challenge David and his supporters, for WHAT REASON, again?? You don't want to allow people their own beliefs WHY??

those who have read many books written by David Icke and who evolved past that point of needing a guru...

Please show me one true Icke supporter that calls him a guru. I think you'll be hardpressed to find even ONE. In fact it's you and your group of control-freaks that call him a guru. So, what gives?

By the way, thanks for admitting that there's a group of you that troll here for the simple sake of forcing your opinions on us. Are you a Christian group of trolls?

...as a public service to people on this forum have decided to speak the truth...

This is not a public place. This is the David Icke forum that is open to the public. What right do you think you have to come here and troll the forum in an effort to force your ideologies on us?

THEIR truth and YOUR truth is not my truth. Each of us is different, we don't have identical experiences, we're not processing information in identical ways, therefor our truths are different. It's a personal experience, unique to each person. Why do you wish to force YOUR truth on every one? Why can you not just let everyone experience their own truths? Why do you feel it necessary to come to this forum and attempt to deny people their OWN truths by insisting that YOUR version of the truth is more important or more true than the rest of us? Who do you think you fucking are?

...no matter how some of you may like it...

Dude! You don't have a right to force something on me that I don't like or don't believe. Not me or anyone else, either. Forcing sex on someone is rape. You have no right to rape anyone's spirituality because you want people to believe what YOU want them to believe. What right do you think you have to commit such an act of control and oppression?

My post is hopefully making you challenge your own beliefs, just like David Icke himself said and done -- that we should challenge our beliefs.

Your post makes me want to kick your ass, in the most loving way possible, of course. :rolleyes:

So, with that in your mind stop being a hypocrite.

Stop telling me what to do, dickwad. Don't you get it? You don't have a right to lay out any parameters by which you would like to see me live. Worry about yourself and your own beliefs.

It is ok for Icke to pick apart other people's beliefs but no one can challenge
Icke's own beliefs!

Yes, of course it is, and he writes it in a book which you can buy...or not. Free choice. He doesn't go to people's homes and shit on the lounge rug. He puts his ideas out there for people to take or leave. He doesn't go around as a "public service" and challenge people with their believe systems. He doesn't go up to people in the street to challenge them. They usually invite him over (to radio/television shows, etc), or they show up at his talks. But he's not going around insisting that people revisit their belief systems. He says what he wants to say, and it's up to you to take it or leave it. But, he does it in HIS OWN space. He doesn't go up to the pulpit on a Sunday at church and lecture the sheeple about why they're in a coma, does he?

There's a difference. Do you understand the difference?

now, that is total hypocrisy on your part.

Your opinion of me is none of my business.

i guess you would like admins/mods to ban all of those posters with controversial views, wouldn't you?

No, I'd like those that are here to do nothing but "challenge" and "troll", without any intention of learning anything themselves, to check their deepest conscience and realize that what they are doing is wrong, and to move along their OWN path instead of disrupting others' paths. It's wrong because you have no right to force your version of anything on anyone, and you have no right to challenge or pick apart other people's truths. You simply have no right to do that on this forum. I would suggest you pick it apart on a blog, or on an anti-Icke forum, but this is the wrong place because to do it here is to perform the most evil and dark magick, whether you acknowledge that you are doing exactly that, or not. It IS what you are doing. So please stop.

As far as what i have to offer -- go read my posts, you may like them or not, but i am sure that some people do like them. I do not base my posts on being politically correct but i base them on my own quest towards the truth.

Great! But you've admitted to a more covert intention also, which is wrong.

and if you do not like that and if you would like to prevent me to speak freely -- use your own advice and leave this forum!

I'm asking you to quit thinking that your version of truth is more important than mine or anyone else's. And yeah, if you have to be a complete control-freak and insist on controlling other's thoughts and beliefs, then I would rather you leave and find a forum with people that think more like you. Why are you here again? That's right to perform a "public service" to challenge people's beliefs. Pathetic indeed.

If i have made one person think
for him/herself, question his/her own beliefs, or if i pointed out what is obvious to me
I have done a good job. Not to even mention if i trully open your eyes.

What...you think you're some kind of guru? The only thing that you have a right to do is share information, and have a will to learn. You have no right to will anyone else to question their beliefs or to open their eyes. You only have a right over your own personal spiritual domain. Everything else is off limits. Say what you want, and leave it at that, but to think that you should try to convert people away from THEIR truth because you think you are more EVOLVED and have a more truer version of the truth, which you think everyone else should believe in, is grand mal delusion, pal.

now, why are you here?

I'm here to learn and to share based on the works of David Icke because it's the DAVID ICKE forum. See how that works?

to stop me in doing my noble goals?

Noble only to you and your groupies. Just because you think it's noble, doesn't mean that it actually is noble. Your goal should not extend outside your immediate spiritual domain. You don't have dominion over other people's spirituality. Got it?

.

hutanic

13-10-2007, 02:30 AM

oh, you mean like Hindu doctrine that Icke picked up when he spent time in India? The same place he picked up "oneness" and "everything is
illusion" mantra. You did not know that, did you?

Ok not commenting this because i am defending Icke nether could i care less what his world views are, but since u motioned oneness and illusion being merely a Hindu doctrine turned into mantra ill only tell you that oneness at lest is very real. As far as illusion goes i know one in our head is real cant really say for rest of world. For example there is not such thing as problems but merely our perception of things.

King why do u dismiss something just because of way it is being used?

No matter what belief is. I mean in name of guy who said not to kill and not to do to our neighbor what we wouldn't wanna be done to our selfs there was enormous amount of murders, all the way up to this day. Just because evil done is hidden behind some truth does not make it any less truth.

seanx

13-10-2007, 01:44 PM

King wrote:
oh, you mean like Hindu doctrine that Icke picked up when he spent time in India? The same place he picked up "oneness" and "everything is
illusion" mantra. You did not know that, did you?

i dare you to challenge the "illusory" train by standing on railroad tracks.
I am pretty sure that you won't be able to dematerialize and avoid becoming a red splotch on front of the train.

Icke is not talking about tha nature of illusion - in the negative
hindu sense you're talking about.

If there is a table in front of me- at this relative level - of course
it is 'real'.

However, in the ultimate sense, it is an 'illusion' because it is
only a table in this particular moment in time.

The table is simply the 'atoms of infinite energy' that, in THIS instant
are taking the 'form' of a table.

1,000 years from now - they may take the form of a tree or a woolly
cap.

Energy is real, eternal - the forms are infinite and ever-changing.
In that sense, do we refer to them as an 'illusion'.

i dare you to challenge the "illusory" train by standing on railroad tracks

What about a table made of hard, solid wood.

Can you break it in two with your bare hands?

For most people - No. Like standing in front of a train.

The table is too 'real' to them - and the 'idea' that you can
break it with your mere hands is something outside their conditioning.

They can't believe it is possible - so for them - and for most of us
that is our reality. At this moment in time, with our present
beliefs of what is and is not possible we can't do it.

But that reality, in the ultimate sense, is an illusion
too

A martial artist, with a different set of beliefs and a different
mindset would easily break it in two.

Easily.

Without breaking a sweat.

So our reality that we experience everyday is an illusion ONLY
in the sense that we are ONLY seeing our current strong-held
beliefs manifested as our reality.

If we had different beliefs - we'd all be experiencing a different
world.

That, as far as I understand it - is the real idea that icke explains
from many different angles in the second part of tales of the time
loop - not the hindu idea of maya and the equally negative
concept of karma.

tiswas

13-10-2007, 02:36 PM

Seanx you are still online.:confused:

limelady

13-10-2007, 02:40 PM

Seanx you are still online.:confused:

It certainly looks like he is, and I for one hope he decides to stay on
the forum.

:)

lottie

13-10-2007, 02:42 PM

It certainly looks like he is, and I for one hope he decides to stay on
the forum.

:)

yeah me too! and thanks for being gentle with me seanx....:)

i do hope you stay around- enjoy your posts!

tiswas

13-10-2007, 02:46 PM

seanx, if you leave this forum the bigots and the bullies will win. Do you want to be seen as a quiter.

tinmenace

13-10-2007, 02:49 PM

It certainly looks like he is, and I for one hope he decides to stay on
the forum.

:)

Yeah, he totally needs to stay. Maybe take a short break, but don't leave.

lookfar

13-10-2007, 02:53 PM

Yeah don't go Sean, I enjoy reading your posts!!:D

Although, there have been quite a few people who said they're gonna go in the past & most of them never do, lol!:) This place is too addictive!!:)

lottie

13-10-2007, 02:57 PM

Yeah, he totally needs to stay. Maybe take a short break, but don't leave.

Yeah ditto that tin- sometimes it all gets too much on here for me- i have a week or two off then im ready to get back into it again- it can certainly wear you down....just take a break mate- put it all in perspective and come back refreshed....:)

tiswas

13-10-2007, 02:59 PM

Loads will probably love me to leave.:eek:

eternal_spirit

13-10-2007, 03:03 PM

Yeah don't go Sean, I enjoy reading your posts!!:D

Although, there have been quite a few people who said they're gonna go in the past & most of them never do, lol!:) This place is too addictive!!:)

.......................

:rolleyes:

seanx

13-10-2007, 04:42 PM

No, I think the compromise is a good idea - where you are allowed
to post quotes from the newsletter - but not the entire newsletter.

Win-win for everybody.

tinmenace

13-10-2007, 04:45 PM

No, I think the compromise is a good idea - where you are allowed
to post quotes from the newsletter - but not the entire newsletter.

Win-win for everybody.

Attaboy! ;)

king

15-10-2007, 06:55 AM

Ok not commenting this because i am defending Icke nether could i care less what his world views are, but since u motioned oneness and illusion being merely a Hindu doctrine turned into mantra ill only tell you that oneness at lest is very real. As far as illusion goes i know one in our head is real cant really say for rest of world. For example there is not such thing as problems but merely our perception of things.

King why do u dismiss something just because of way it is being used?

No matter what belief is. I mean in name of guy who said not to kill and not to do to our neighbor what we wouldn't wanna be done to our selfs there was enormous amount of murders, all the way up to this day. Just because evil done is hidden behind some truth does not make it any less truth.

before we go any further -- just dig up that "onenesss" thread and then we can discuss

king

15-10-2007, 07:32 AM

If there is a table in front of me- at this relative level - of course
it is 'real'.

However, in the ultimate sense, it is an 'illusion' because it is
only a table in this particular moment in time.

yes, even a fifth grader may know atoms are mostly empty space therefore
things are not exactly "logical" from their perspective.
how does that knowledge solves the problem of the mess our world is in?

i do not think that we have to disassemble everything to atomic level in order to solve the problems around us.
more importantly, saying "everything is an illusion" just after you cried that world is falling apart and illuminati/reptiles/whatever are going to have you for lunch is not the way to awaken the people, is it?
saying that nothing is real after you scared them with something "tangible" it confusing to many of the people searching for the truth so it is counterproductive.

Energy is real, eternal - the forms are infinite and ever-changing.
In that sense, do we refer to them as an 'illusion'.

do you have any proof that energies are changing?
maybe this is all one energy with different aspects of it, based on observer's point and his level of understanding.

But that reality, in the ultimate sense, is an illusion
too

true, and since it is illusion --why don't you demonstrate it by doing the same stuff as in Matrix movie?

A martial artist, with a different set of beliefs and a different
mindset would easily break it in two. Easily.

Without breaking a sweat.

go for it.

So our reality that we experience everyday is an illusion ONLY
in the sense that we are ONLY seeing our current strong-held
beliefs manifested as our reality.
so, are illuminati real then?
if not -- why the fuck is Icke even bothering talking about them, or reptiles or for that matter anything?
if nothing is real -- why worry about anything?
but, if they are real and we think "nothing is real" -- we will get fucked by them illuminati.
see, how flawed is your logic?

and even though the train is made of "illusory" steel/iron due to empty space in its atoms -- i'm betting you that you will NOT be going through the that steel, not in this lifetime.

That, as far as I understand it - is the real idea that icke explains
from many different angles in the second part of tales of the time
loop - not the hindu idea of maya and the equally negative
concept of karma.

what he should not be doing is writing science fact and and science fiction in same book.

and all that "what is real" stuff is science fiction when you mix consensus reality and theoretical physics/alternate reality.
try using his timeloop book as a "proof" of what kind of world we live in and you'll see how easily critics could take the book apart.

IMO, of course.

but, Icke is not the only one, there are many other conspiracy reserchers who mix provable facts with "science fiction" and those things do not go well together if you are trying to present your case
and with it a proof.

that is why is so easy to discredit good conspiracy research if the author also talks about reptilians or UFOs or Satan or what have you in same article/book/talk.

herebynightfall

15-10-2007, 07:43 AM

Hey seanx

Yeah I've gotten banned and had 4 of my posts deleted within minutes of eachother.

And why... for trying to talk sense into moderators.

I don't think that there are many anti-semites on here. If there are, well than they're retarded for taking that stance.

Anti-organized religion.. i can see though. that to me is sensible.. judaism included.

it's good to get out yer frustration though..
don't keep anything bottled up..
that's how people get cancer......................
maybe.

peace.

i_am

15-10-2007, 07:50 AM

limelady

15-10-2007, 08:01 AM

Herebynightfall ignored polite moderator requests not to start threads about moderation. A particular situation could have been resolved via PM, however herebynightfall defiantly ignored my polite requests and was issued spam points (some were later reversed), while continuing to write new threads! For his own sake (to prevent him from being banned...because thats where it was heading), I temporarily placed him into "Inactive".

So shoot me!

tinmenace

15-10-2007, 12:13 PM

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/wank.gif

V
V
V
V
V

go fuck yourself!

if you were not a fucken retard that you are, if you did not call me names -- your little retarded brain would be able to understand that this was not addressed to you but to those with fully functioning brains.

so, i already gave you about 20 minutes of my time answering your stupid and INSULTING and UNCIVILIZED response.

so, may i kindly ask you to FUCK OFF!!??
it sure seems that you brain was raped at one point of time and i do not need to argue with such asshole with an intellectual capacity of a roach.

MY insulting and uncivilized response? Oh the hypocrisy! :rolleyes:

thirdwave

15-10-2007, 12:30 PM

I think this thread is a little unfair

the reason the seemingly racist threads are not deleated is because the are peoples point of view.... and we are not hear to stop peoples point of view... we are here to descuss them.... even if somtimes their views may seem smelly... they still have a right to them, as we all do....

Now, regarding the news letters... its how David pays for his website and this forum...

Ok you can say that "its only one post" ..so on

but you need to look at the bigger picture... I'm sure David would not mind the odd bit hear and there coming out.... but you post one.... then when another person posts one the next week.. what do we say...sorry not you mate... the other guy done one but you cant.... so on...

you cant do that... this is why the rules are in place, so all are treated the same. yes its negative ...money is negative... and it gives people lots of amo to attack David... hit him where it hurts so to speak.... we all need to earn a living... lets just assume David does not because he understands how money is an illusion that we have had imprinted into us?.

this thread is exposing how shite money is... not this forum... or the mods... or the copyright in Ickes work...

You are free to discuss the work here as much as you like... so its not like you have to posts David's work to post a positive thread. and it certainly wont get deleted.

thirdwave

15-10-2007, 12:34 PM

you suck. Power trip much?

using ones power does not mean they are tripping on it.... in this case Lime used the little power she has been given in order to maintain that the forum guide lines are held in place to make sure this forum does not end up like a sess pit for bored people who like to bully and troll around the place like its their cave.

so I would say she was kicking arse...which does involve power, but more like the jedi power as opposed the the syth power you are implying.

hutanic

15-10-2007, 03:01 PM

before we go any further -- just dig up that "onenesss" thread and then we can discuss

"Irony of the Oneness" and "Is Oneness A Masonic Idea?" are ones i found and since u posted in both i guess these are ones u meant to point me to.

Ok all valid points but what makes u think that lets say i got that idea Masonic Doctrine of Oneness or from new age "gurus"?

I agree that most people take what they hear from others and just repeat it because it sounds so wonderful, with out realizing it or for that matter there "gurus" even knowing what it truly is. But just because certain concept of onenesses being propagated trough new age and such does not mean that it in it self is not true.

Once again look at jesus character and what words are being assigned to him and what was done in his name. Its not hard to take any truth and manipulate it trough religion for evil purposes.

joy division

15-10-2007, 03:45 PM

Mo0n5tar

15-10-2007, 04:01 PM

You are right Joy it is a nice way to make a living, however i would love to be getting paid on a similar scale to D.Icke which i simply am not @the moment, i need a gimmick, maybe that some drug spirit told me to do it too help mankind..?

seanx

15-10-2007, 04:55 PM

Mr. King wrote:

so, are illuminati real then?
if not -- why the fuck is Icke even bothering talking about them, or reptiles or for that matter anything?
if nothing is real -- why worry about anything?
but, if they are real and we think "nothing is real" -- we will get fucked by them illuminati.
see, how flawed is your logic?

Acutally, read what was written. I know it's difficult
because it conflicts with your dearly held conditioning.

The whole point of a forum like this to consider the unthinkable- to
not be afraid to step out of the comfort of our brainwashing.

I did not say day the table was 'unreal' .

It is real to our relative level, ( try banging your head against
it) - to the frequency of our presently held dominant beliefs.

But to somebody operating at a different belief frequency level - the
table would appear as something completely different.

Because most of us have inherited and unconsciously
accepted the same old beliefs patterns for centuries -
we keep on creating the same old realites.

But, gradually that is changing.

Groups of people all over the world - people with the courage of
an open mind ( not pessimistic, cynics like yourself,
Mr. King) are beginning to challenge our centuries-old
fixed beliefs about the TRUE nature of reality - and they
are DEMONSTRATING things that are better than standing
in front of trains.

But the world is changing - and cynics like you Mr. king won't stop it.

Read this - written by pr. Gary E. Schwartz, who is currently a professor
of psychology, surgery, medicine, neurology, and psychiatry at the
University of Arizona.

( As for the illuminati - they're real in our presently constructed belief
world - but in the ultimate sense, they are nothing. A bag of wind. Puff!
And they are gone - ONLY-ONLY when indivudually
and collectively we realize that they are just our DEEPEST,
PRIMAL fears and terrors in human form.

That why dave icle says at the end of Tales of the Time loop - when
you genuinely REALIZE that - all you can that is laugh. You realize
that these guys- the illuminati SEEM all powerful and want to
APPEAR all powerful- but they're nothing to enlightened consciousness. A bad dream)

My Eyes Are Opened

Would you believe that a healer removed the pain of a broken wrist and bone in fifteen minutes?

Would you believe that another healer removed an ovarian tumor in a matter of weeks?

Would you believe that a third healer regenerated the nerves of a broken spine in a few months, remotely, on a person thousands of miles away?

As thoroughly unlikely as these examples may sound, I have personally witnessed such healings at first hand. They seem like miracles — yet they really did happen. The question is, how? The answer to this question involves a new understanding of energy and consciousness.

I'm a Harvard PhD, a former Yale professor of psychology and psychiatry and director of the Yale Psychophysiology Center. I'm currently a professor of psychology, surgery, medicine, neurology, and psychiatry at the University of Arizona. I was awarded one of two NIH grants to establish a Center for Frontier Medicine in Biofield Science. Though I was originally taught that such healing miracles do not and can not happen, the fact is that they do. Science can now help us to understand and celebrate them.

Pain That Disappears

The first energy healing I ever experienced was completely unexpected. In the summer of 1994, I was visiting a colleague on the East Coast, a psychotherapist I will call Suzanne.

Her father had been a distinguished physician and scientist who, though conventionally trained, was open to alternative therapies. After his death, Suzanne developed an interest in energy healing and was taking advanced courses in what's called healing touch.

While I was visiting with her, Suzanne received an emergency phone call from one of her counseling patients. In tears, the patient explained that her husband had been repairing the roof and had fallen off. He was rushed to the hospital in extreme pain. The lady pleaded with Suzanne to meet her at the emergency room and help her cope with this stress. Suzanne agreed to go, and I went as well.

We found her husband, Robert, apparently in excruciating pain, with his right wrist bent at an unlikely angle. I stepped out of the room so Suzanne could attempt healing. Curious about the process, I snuck a quick peek over her shoulder before I left. I saw Robert lying with his eyes closed while Suzanne waved her hands a few inches above his arm and wrist. I realized she was being circumspect: the hospital staff would not have been pleased about these goings-on, which they probably would have thought closely akin to voodoo.

After about fifteen minutes, Suzanne asked us to return. We found Robert with his eyes wide open and smiling like a surprised Cheshire cat. He said he had no idea what had just transpired, but to his amazement the severe pain in his wrist and arm was virtually gone. And no, he had not been given any pain medications.

He still couldn't move his limb, and X-rays would confirm he had a fractured wrist. Nonetheless, he was unexpectedly pain free and greatly relieved. So was his wife.

As for me, I was frankly in shock. If this was a placebo response — if Robert had believed Suzanne could relieve his pain, and his belief had tricked his body into making the pain disappear — then it was certainly a dramatic example. Could the elimination of Robert's pain be explained solely as the power of his mind over his body?

Or had something more occurred, something to do with healing that Suzanne had induced? Had I witnessed my first energy healing?
From
The Energy Healing Experiments: Science REveals Our Natural Power to Heal

seanx

15-10-2007, 05:00 PM

celtic isis

15-10-2007, 05:48 PM

It's extraordinary.

I’ve been reading this forum for the past few weeks, without
responding – and the most obnoxious, racist anti-Semitism has
been aired here – without been deleted.

I’ve read the most negative, ‘everything-is-horrible’,
‘we-all-fucking-doomed’ stuff that is posted here every day – without
it been deleted.

And yet – and it’s quite incredible!! ( No- it’s mind-blogging)- when
I posted an article by a certain man named David icke- ANYBODY
here REMEMBER that guy – where he explains in extraordinary, clear
terms how the law of attractions works – IT IS DELETED.

Not the racist stuff.

Not all the negative, depressing stuff -

But positive, uplifting stuff written by the man himself!

And the reason – this stuff can only be seen by premier subscribers.

Now, I’m a premier subscriber.

Everybody here should be – it only costs a few bob – and it’s right
that premier subscribers can access all his articles.

But SURELY reason – and common sense must reign here.

We MUST take context into account.

And surely, when the context demands it (Police Sitting In Car
watching My House thread) – we should be able to quote past articles
by dave icke –where the articles themselves explain perfectly
the point that needs to be made.

I agree that it would not be fair to reprint them all every week –
of course not, but surely, now and then – in the proper context
– we should be able to quote him.

So that you go.

The racist crap and all usual negative crap is fine – but
ANY dave icle articles – definitely OUT!

But there is a positive side!!

For the terrible sin of quoting a past dave icke article – this time,
I’m not going to be given any warning points.

So, it seems……. everything is in- except anything written
by Icke.

Am I missing something here??

well said seanx, i had no idea about this :confused: i can understand you're angry and disillusioned about it.

strange, it should be ok to quote briefly from an old article. :confused:

i'd love to be a premier subscriber only i'm too poor right now! but yeah if you've already paid for something of dave's as a premier subscriber it should be ok after to briefly quote after...

I've seen the negative stuff on here, and been part of it too at times, i thought it was working it's way out though...i didn't think it was so bad...some people are overly negative though i see that, this is a wonderful place/planet and we should all be fighting for it, not fighting amongst ourselves or making people feel even worse about thigs as they are i agree.

Humans fight though, we get upset, pissed off and take things to heart and fight...it's human nature. And people on here are coming from so many different backgrounds and points of view, sometimes i wonder if they've read icke at all cause they have such a different view on things...i mean just their state of mind is in a very angry place or something.

Don't let it get you down seanx, you're an amazing contributor on here :)

seanx

15-10-2007, 06:13 PM

Thanks, Celtic isis, it's all sorted now.

celtic isis

15-10-2007, 06:16 PM

Thanks, Celtic isis, it's all sorted now.

that's good to hear :)

king

15-10-2007, 07:21 PM

MY insulting and uncivilized response? Oh the hypocrisy! :rolleyes:

As you saw, so shall you reap

king

15-10-2007, 08:08 PM

"Irony of the Oneness" and "Is Oneness A Masonic Idea?" are ones i found and since u posted in both i guess these are ones u meant to point me to.

Ok all valid points but what makes u think that lets say i got that idea Masonic Doctrine of Oneness or from new age "gurus"?

I agree that most people take what they hear from others and just repeat it because it sounds so wonderful, with out realizing it or for that matter there "gurus" even knowing what it truly is. But just because certain concept of onenesses being propagated trough new age and such does not mean that it in it self is not true.

Once again look at jesus character and what words are being assigned to him and what was done in his name. Its not hard to take any truth and manipulate it trough religion for evil purposes.

why do we have to even use the word "oneness", same word that pertain to fish god and Masonic ideology?

I for one do not want to be like all of the rest of the people that just repeat the "oneness" mantra, that implies that it is ok to accept that recycled Masonic/Hindu/ancient religion crap without even giving it a thought of what it really represents.

Why not call it creation/universe/divine intelligence/universal consciousness instead of oanness/oneness?

how can people be thinking of oneness and truly understanding it when many of them do not even know themselves?

how are "Oneness workshops, conferences, lectures, educational materials and curriculum resources that provide a safe place for people to have and honest dialogues"
going to raise consciousness of individuals so that they can respect other people's feelings and views?

take this forum as an example -- if you post something challenging what Icke preaches, and even if you really know his material well, even if he said himself that you should not accept any beliefs, any preaching by anyone and that you should ask questions for yourself -- some people here, just like in most other forums turn into angry mob who has mindset of "how dare you question Icke" or whatever their leader/hero is!
is that expression of "oneness"?
or is it expression of un-evolved mind where we like or dislike something/someone, are for or against or any other division?

because if we are all "one" -- there should be no conflict!
But, on this blue rock here there always will be conflict and strife, so much is apparent. Look at the animal world -- you can see it there as well, so this must be part of the grand design.
There never will be oneness on this planet as long as we are alive and kicking. Does one need to kill his own in order to survive or learn a lesson? I do not think so!
I just talk to a South African guy who was shooting blacks for 10 years while he was in SA Army. Guess what? You never can evolve his mind to a point of seeing blacks in SA as humans.
Nor will you evolve SA blacks to see white SA man as a someone they can trust.
How do you get rid of that hatred and wish to kill?

Think of it -- even if 6,5 billion of people were nice and peaceful -- It only takes one corrupted character to spoil it all, corrupt all.
but, when we leave this place of strife and conflict we may return to more harmonious place, but again -- that is on different plain unobtainable here and m ost likely we will not have the 3d bodies that we do have here.

I think that we are long way from that "paradise on earth".

now, i will post a quote from another forum, and you tell me whose ideas are already accepted, in automatic mantra fashion:

Matter is simply energy condensed to a slow vibration, philosophical and scientific fact, we are all one, one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively in the mind of the one true God, whose name is love.
We are the sum expression of our experiences, there can be no such thing as death, as we are all one in the universe, there is no such thing as seperation, know thyself, and you will realize that we are all expressions of the same entity, we are the imagination of ourselves, and life is but a dream, devotion to religion = seperation from oneness, creates a 'self', and creates division between mankind.
Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion.

do we recognize Bill Hicks and Icke's words here?
does this sound like real deal (that you can see around you) or is it more of a pipe dream?

what about these people?
they worshiped (some still do) oannes

http://www.crystalinks.com/oannespriest.jpg

isn't that really same sh#$ in different package?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42091000/jpg/_42091892_pope_ap_416.jpg

note the position of the corpses in both pictures.
interesting, huh?
so, do you think we should worship this fish god oanness?

eternal_spirit

15-10-2007, 08:17 PM

King the highlighted part does sound much like ancient eastern Mysticism... Buddhism/Hinduism etc ya dee yah dee yah.

thirdwave

15-10-2007, 08:24 PM

Maybe we should see through the veil of David Icke and the sad fact he could just be doing all this for the money maybe?

I would be sad to hear this but remember he is only hUman after all.

So maybe he is just making it all up? Sounds a good way of making a living to me by writing and talking crap.

I am not saying this is true, but who knows.

Ok,

maybe he is doing it for the money as well as doing it because its true.... infact this is probebly very likely seeing as

A, most of what he goes into can be proven as Fact.... and what cant also cant be proven not to be a fact.

B, we all need to earn money, especially if we want to have weight behind projects we do, what ever they may be. So this confirms that he also want to earn money out of it.

How many people here will risk their income for others just to help them??? CERTAINLY not the people who come down on him!

This is what makes me laugh and this is not directed at you as such, its directed at many people who truly come down on Icke for making a living out of this..

they are quick as lightning to come down on him for making a living from it... but what do they offer for free, for others? ... when they go to work what do they let slip through their net?? ..nothing because its their security and lively hood, so its always kept in their bag....

But David? , no, he must risk it all for us.... its his job to serve us info for free...set us free and risk being homeless and probably completely crushed by the system for us!, us first, his family later! ..and these people to me are as ignorant and pig headed as you could get and are the real illuminati casualties that Icke is infact trying to reduce.

Then...once this is established ..then comes ignorant line of, "but David said him self that money is not real and its just illusion and we create our fortune, and now he asks for money... what a hypocrite"!!

for a start he has never said that he can live with out money.... he has said WE CAN ... he has stated the fact that it does not exist.... banks don't have it and we are just trapped in a huge trick.... but this does not mean he is immune to it... but its true we all have the power to brake any illusion.

secondly he is proving that you create your reality by earning a living by doing what he wants to do...

if others want to do the same then they need to get up off their backside and work as hard as he has.

and Lastly if people really think he does it for the money.... do you not think that maybe there are some things he could do a little less stressful to make a living? ... its not as if its been sweet sailing for him.... the last few years he has gained more respect and deservedly so.... and it seems these last few years are what people don't like, maybe because deep down they don't want him to be real and telling the truth.. I think they would rather him be false.. when the fact of the matter is, he is true.

king

15-10-2007, 08:28 PM

seanx

let's just say that cynic is someone who is able to see through the B.S., so if that is me -- so be it.

I'll live our conversation at this , as I do not want to explain something to you again) that you are not able or not willing to understand.
What a few people may be able to manifest is not what great majority will ever be able to. but if you like to believe otherwise -- be my guest.

I think that i was clear enough in my post to you, yet you seem to want me to see it your way.
rest assured - i have considered that views about 3 or 4 years ago -- what you seem to believe in now.
But, i did know the difference between theory/fiction/supposition and cold facts.

so, since i have been there -- i will allow you to reach a higher point on your own, at your own pace.
I am positive that one day you will reach it if you truly are searching for the truth, no matter what it may be.

in this 3d world it is not meant for us to do things that are usually done out of this world.

just because some people can do "paranormal" things it does not mean that "spiritually dirty" people with bodies that are full of toxins and minds that are full of junk can ever reach.

and, last time i checked -- that is most of us.
we are product of our environment.

king

15-10-2007, 08:31 PM

King the highlighted part does sound much like ancient eastern Mysticism... Buddhism/Hinduism etc ya dee yah dee yah.

yap, yap yap

that is what I said earlier -- Icke spent some time in India and that is where he has picked up that stuff

because, most of the New Agers got their training there.

seanx

15-10-2007, 09:05 PM

King wrote:

let's just say that cynic is someone who is able to see through the B.S., so if that is me -- so be it.

I'll live our conversation at this , as I do not want to explain something to you again) that you are not able or not willing to understand.
What a few people may be able to manifest is not what great majority will ever be able to. but if you like to believe otherwise -- be my guest.

I think that i was clear enough in my post to you, yet you seem to want me to see it your way.
rest assured - i have considered that views about 3 or 4 years ago -- what you seem to believe in now.
But, i did know the difference between theory/fiction/supposition and cold facts.

so, since i have been there -- i will allow you to reach a higher point on your own, at your own pace.
I am positive that one day you will reach it if you truly are searching for the truth, no matter what it may be.

in this 3d world it is not meant for us to do things that are usually done out of this world.

just because some people can do "paranormal" things it does not mean that "spiritually dirty" people with bodies that are full of toxins and minds that are full of junk can ever reach.

and, last time i checked -- that is most of us.
we are product of our environment.

There's a response for you!

Sorry for not immediately dropping all my beliefs in the light of your
superior understanding!

I also have a good mind to e-mail Professor Gary E. Schwartz
and tell him to cop himself on- and stop this nonsense research!!

Can you imagine it:

The Wright brothers are in a tavern discussing
their incredible idea that man can create a flying machine.

'Yes, it sounds stupid, mad - crazy - surely it can't be done. But, No,
we'll go for it. We'll do it. We have no evidence - just a gut
feeling - Pure intuition.

Then along comes Grandfather king:

'Lad', come on, now - this is pure science fiction. Would you ever
go home - and cop yourself on. You should know better. We are
mere product of our environments. These ideas are mad. Don't
you think if that could have been done - it would have been.
Now, it's nonsense. Go home.'

Thank God, the brothers never met Grandfather king on that fateful
night!

And here's a prediction to the present day Mr.King

In less than 50 years from now - using our internal world of beliefs
and feelings to create and change medical conditions
will be commonplace. It will be one of the dominant forms of medical
care.

Like Professor Gary E. Schwartz - I have seen tremendous examples of
people achieving great results - RIGHT NOW - if they can achieve
a radical, bone-deep, soul-level change in how they FEEL
and what they BELIEVE about themselves.

The future is bright

john white

15-10-2007, 09:34 PM

yap, yap yap

that is what I said earlier -- Icke spent some time in India and that is where he has picked up that stuff

because, most of the New Agers got their training there.

I'm not particularily aware of Icke ever visiting India: if so its not something hes often talked about

So what is your source for the claim that Icke has visited India?

Just curious

But he certainly doesnt have to go to India

For example, I've got oodles of eastern mysticism around my front door: do you know how many Hindu's etc live in the UK King? A= Lots. And a wonderful thing it is too. BTW if you ever want a really good Samosa, Tooting Bec is the place to go for it

dondaz

15-10-2007, 09:42 PM

BTW if you ever want a really good Samosa, Tooting Bec is the place to go for it

It must be better than the corner shop down the road from you John:eek:

john white

15-10-2007, 10:31 PM

It must be better than the corner shop down the road from you John:eek:

Those guys are Sikhs!

But oh yes, the food in tooting was one of the best things with living in Sath London! Masala Da, cracking restaurant!

king

15-10-2007, 10:31 PM

....
Like Professor Gary E. Schwartz - I have seen tremendous examples of people achieving great results - RIGHT NOW - if they can achieve
a radical, bone-deep, soul-level change in how they FEEL
and what they BELIEVE about themselves.

The future is bright

ha ha -- good luck manifesting it.
why don't you manifest disappearance of chemtrails and GWEN towers?
why don't you manifest no poverty, no war, no corruption and oppression?

you cannot , that is why.

have you checked the world around you lately?
how much more of crime, murder, opression and inhumanity do we see now than in, say 1950's?
You can't even compare that!

taking anyone's words about "manifestation" literally, be it Gary E. Schwartz or David Icke is not a smart thing to do,
Mr. "manifester" seanx.

Unless you have experienced it yourself and you can reproduce it -- you better not waste my time trying to prove to me that what someone wrote is real.

give me a proof and i will believe what you are saying!

it sure seem that you would love to keep your belief real, at all costs.

tinmenace

15-10-2007, 10:37 PM

As you saw, so shall you reap

What kind of Saw?

A Hand-Saw?

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/handsaw.jpg

i_am

15-10-2007, 10:38 PM

well said seanx, i had no idea about this :confused: i can understand you're angry and disillusioned about it.

strange, it should be ok to quote briefly from an old article. :confused:

Don't let it get you down seanx, you're an amazing contributor on here :)

Perhaps you should have read the whole thread :)

It has been said a number of times, it is ok to quote a section of the newsletter, just not the whole thing.

As seanx says it is sorted and we are all happy that he is staying.

thirdwave

15-10-2007, 10:44 PM

It must be better than the corner shop down the road from you John:eek:

coming from Birmingham you must be spoilt with curry there ... best curry's up there :)

thirdwave

15-10-2007, 11:02 PM

ha ha -- good luck manifesting it.
why don't you manifest disappearance of chemtrails and GWEN towers?
why don't you manifest no poverty, no war, no corruption and oppression?

you cannot , that is why.

No you are wrong... We can....

I could say I cant play the piano... but I could its just I have not learnt how to... You are just taking advantage of the fact the LOA has been repressed for so long and people have become so detached from it... you use that as a platform to prove it is not valid.

when it is, and there is enough evidence to prove that the LOA is a very real possibility Historical and Scientific...

have you checked the world around you lately?
how much more of crime, murder, opression and inhumanity do we see now than in, say 1950's?
You can't even compare that!

Wow, you have changed your tune... only a couple weeks back you was going on about how Tsarion and Icke make things out to be so much worse than it is... fear mongers you were saying... now you seem to agree?? does this mean they were telling the truth after all?

and Yes I have seen the world around me... and the reason its the way it is is people are un educated properly... and thus have created a world that benefits a small few who get something positive out of a negative....

taking anyone's words about "manifestation" literally, be it Gary E. Schwartz or David Icke is not a smart thing to do,
It is if it relates to your own expiriances and feelings...

Unless you have experienced it yourself and you can reproduce it -- you better not waste my time trying to prove to me that what someone wrote is real.
How do you know someone has not experienced it or reproduced it?.... are you saying unless someone saves the world with there complete insite and focus of their subconscious mind then you don't belive the LOA is at all real??

well then don't believe it, your loss.

give me a proof and i will believe what you are saying!
You are the one that needs to provide proof.... as you are the one that claims people are wrong believing in it... even if they claim to have first hand experience... I have seen proof.... you need to show me proof it does not... and so far apart from showing what a bad world we have collectively manifested you have not proven it not to be the case...

tell me about atoms and how our perception effects their behaviour.... offer us some solutions

it sure seem that you would love to keep your belief real, at all costs.
one must always defend his beliefs... as his beliefs are what makes him..... one must also have a very good reason to want to kill another mans beliefs.

xdnax

15-10-2007, 11:11 PM

david icke on the forum every once in a while would be absolutely awesome, and im sure he does read it from time to time surely. hopefully that'd be to ALL members. i'd give the guy 3 quid a month, but i aint paying nothing over the internet. thats just me. any other method which dont involve the internet...or banks??

peace

seanx

15-10-2007, 11:29 PM

ha ha -- good luck manifesting it.
why don't you manifest disappearance of chemtrails and GWEN towers?
why don't you manifest no poverty, no war, no corruption and oppression?

you cannot , that is why.

Already done it in my individual reality, read the full thread.

But for man who wants to appear to know it all - you don't seem to
know the difference between individual and collective reality.

There is no ONE reality.

Right now, on this planet, there are 6 billion different realites.

We are all experiencing our own realites i.e the consequences of
our own internal beliefs system. For good or bad.

And our collective reality - yes, look around you - at this
moment in time - it is shit - because right now, sadly, 90%,
of the population hold your cynic, negative belief patterns.

That we are powerless - merely, as you say ' products of our
environment' - in other words, powerless recording machines at
the mercy of cold, impersonal unloving forces.

And the only way collective reality will change is when
individual realities begin to change and then when a critical mass
is reached - bang! We have real change.

But unfortunately, it won't come from the mindset of people like
you.

So unfortunatley - the future is fluid - and if your mindset
continues to dominate - we'll have more and more of the same
reality.

hutanic

15-10-2007, 11:31 PM

why do we have to even use the word "oneness", same word that pertain to fish god and Masonic ideology?

I for one do not want to be like all of the rest of the people that just repeat the "oneness" mantra, that implies that it is ok to accept that recycled Masonic/Hindu/ancient religion crap without even giving it a thought of what it really represents.

I don't have to use oneness i just did because it is most common term. One would be bather term in sense of being one with great spirit that is all and everywhere.

take this forum as an example -- if you post something challenging what Icke preaches, and even if you really know his material well, even if he said himself that you should not accept any beliefs, any preaching by anyone and that you should ask questions for yourself -- some people here, just like in most other forums turn into angry mob who has mindset of "how dare you question Icke" or whatever their leader/hero is!
is that expression of "oneness"?
or is it expression of un-evolved mind where we like or dislike something/someone, are for or against or any other division?

I agree is see many people repeating what Icke says in exact same terms. And yes that is one trait of religious behavior. Repetition of frazes.

But u failed to answer my question. Witch was "Ok all valid points but what makes u think that lets say i got that idea Masonic Doctrine of Oneness or from new age "gurus"?"

What makes u think i share Ickes or Tsarion or whoever views? What makes u think i acept what any new age/conspiracy/whatever guy says?

U talk about accepting religions crap with out giving it a thought and u never even thought of what my stand on it is or my experience of it for that matter.

There was really no need to repeat all about Oannes because i already read what u wrote in previous posts. If u realy wanna discuss this with me then talk to me not to Icke. Because i am not shearing his views nether i am here to defend him.

eternal_spirit

15-10-2007, 11:38 PM

seanx

16-10-2007, 12:01 AM

Mass conciousness and power in numbers isn't working is it?

You don't have any power over mass consciousness - only your OWN individual consciousness.

eternal_spirit

16-10-2007, 12:29 AM

You don't have any power over mass consciousness - only your OWN individual consciousness.

.................

Yes we can all make a difference. Sometimes I feel and think
the people and the World are becoming a better place, other times I fear more wars. Maybe I just wan't it to happen all at once ( a better world for all )

Anyway seanx the title of the thread LOL I knew you'd be back. :D

anoninnyc

16-10-2007, 12:33 AM

And the only way collective reality will change is when
individual realities begin to change and then when a critical mass
is reached - bang! We have real change.

i think that there is much truth in this statement

seanx

16-10-2007, 12:37 AM

Yes we can all make a difference. Sometimes I feel and think
the people and the World are becoming a better place, other times I fear more wars. Maybe I just wan't it to happen all at once ( a better world for all )

Anyway seanx the title of the thread LOL I knew you'd be back.

Cheers

synergy777

16-10-2007, 12:37 AM

i actually think people are awakening, inside something is hatching.

i think deep down, people are aware of the duplicity/tyranny of our elite, and want peace. they are just scared, lack information and have no one to rally around. they have no one to unite, inspire and empower them.

king

16-10-2007, 05:45 AM

But u failed to answer my question. Witch was "Ok all valid points but what makes u think that lets say i got that idea Masonic Doctrine of Oneness or from new age "gurus"?"

What makes u think i share Ickes or Tsarion or whoever views? What makes u think i acept what any new age/conspiracy/whatever guy says?

U talk about accepting religions crap with out giving it a thought and u never even thought of what my stand on it is or my experience of it for that matter.

I did not imply that you specifically are subscribing to idea of oneness as most of the other people do. I did not even know how you see it until you explained it.

I was referring to how most of the people accept it. That hive mind acceptance of what some "guru" preaches must be the truth -- no matter who he is has always bothered me.
Most of the New Agers seem to take everything as it served to them and accept it without even thinking.

And I stand firm that idea of oneness is a very, very old one, going back to
ancient religions and of course to old secret societies, especially early masonry.

The way people understand oneness that is pushed via New Age movement
is simply ridiculous.

you may disagree, but hey -- we are all different.

I know what i know and you know what you know.
end of story.

king

16-10-2007, 05:51 AM

What kind of Saw?

http://z.about.com/d/homerepair/1/0/t/-/-/-/circular_saw.jpg

thirdwave wrote

Originally Posted by king View Post
ha ha -- good luck manifesting it.
why don't you manifest disappearance of chemtrails and GWEN towers?
why don't you manifest no poverty, no war, no corruption and oppression?

you cannot , that is why.
No you are wrong... We can....

I could say I cant play the piano... but I could its just I have not learnt how to... You are just taking advantage of the fact the LOA has been repressed for so long and people have become so detached from it... you use that as a platform to prove it is not valid.

please explain to me how is playing piano "manifesting"?
shouldn't that be acquiring a skill?

thirdwave

16-10-2007, 10:29 AM

http://z.about.com/d/homerepair/1/0/t/-/-/-/circular_saw.jpg

please explain to me how is playing piano "manifesting"?
shouldn't that be acquiring a skill?

its exactly the same.... you find out how its done and find out ways that make playing the piano easier for you.... and then you focus on keep playing with it until you get better at it....

with manifesting our reality... we dont find it easy as we have been brainwashed not to find it easy, all our lives.... so its not something that comes naturally to us... so we need to focus on it.... look for ways that we find it easy to put into practise and then work at it....

asking someone to prove it by saving the world on their own is like saying if someone cant play one of Mozart's huge compositions to perfection then they cant play the piano.

thirdwave

16-10-2007, 10:40 AM

If this manifestation was real, say most of the planets population want's love, peace and a decent standard of living the basics food water etc etc ya dee yah dee yah.....Which they do. Why is not like this? Mass conciousness and power in numbers isn't working is it?

this is you missunderstanding somthing within it....

people do not create the love and peace they crave because they are not setting out a vibration that compliments it.... they are sending it the "we have no love and we crave it..... we have no peace and we want it so much ...we want! ..we want!!!! please!!!"

so this is what they manifest..... want ...need , desire....

Now Im not saying all over the world its easy.... its quite a mess out there...not easy to turn the corner ... but possible if people have an understanding on how it came about.

to be honest on a deeper level it has nothing to do with thoughts.... especially our thoughts as most of our thoughts are manipulated, and our feelings are very much controlled from the outside in most cases....

but its our conciousness.... we all have a road to perfection laid out for us... we know it when we are young and are excited about it... as we go on we are thrown things to push us away from that road.... but its only us that does it and when we are older that road is nothing but a speck of a memory.... "un realistic"

its very simple, what we find realistic IS, what we find not realistic is not! ..but its up to us.

this is why its good to get in tune with out true conciousness and decide for our selfs what is possible in out reality, in our world.

Go into a pub and say " Im gona be an actor!, I have made up my mind! ..im gona do it" .... if you really mean it , you watch people try to stop you from believing it... because subconsciously they know the nature of reality and that if you keep believing its a reality then it will be.... and because they cant or are to afraid to try.... they don't want to be exposed even more.

king

18-10-2007, 09:05 PM

its exactly the same.... you find out how its done and find out ways that make playing the piano easier for you.... and then you focus on keep playing with it until you get better at it....

i tried it as you suggested.
I picked up my son's guitar, and i said "oh, you omnipotent universe. manifest me playing guitar like Jimmy Page. well, few seconds later when my son covered his ears i discovered that i cannot manifest that. but, i am sure that i can learn it it i try real hard.

so, maybe you have better manifestation trick?
would you care to share it with rest of us?

with manifesting our reality... we dont find it easy as we have been brainwashed not to find it easy, all our lives.... so its not something that comes naturally to us... so we need to focus on it.... look for ways that we find it easy to put into practise and then work at it....

I agree here. and it is more than brainwashing, once you loose the true knowledge of our incredible powers -- you may never get it back. But, i am sure that some people have that power,
as a matter of fact each of us may have a bit of that power as well -- only we do not know it. but, you made it sound so easy, like anyone can manifest whatever they want.

seanx

18-10-2007, 11:25 PM

King wrote,

tried it as you suggested.
I picked up my son's guitar, and i said "oh, you omnipotent universe. manifest me playing guitar like Jimmy Page. well, few seconds later when my son covered his ears i discovered that i cannot manifest that. but, i am sure that i can learn it it i try real hard.

so, maybe you have better manifestation trick?
would you care to share it with rest of us

What a load of complete crap.

Listen - if you want to have a genuine debate on what is an intricate
and important subject- learn, first of all, even the fundamental
principles behind this idea.

You can hope

Pray,

Visualize

Affirm

And stand on your fucking head all day long
hoping to play like Jimmy page- and nothing will happen.

The work involves facing up - and ultimately dissolving layers and
layers of belief and deep feeling patterns, both conscious
and unconscious -that lay at the core of our outlook on life -
before ANY chance will occur.

When you started this debate - I thought you were a serious student
of this idea - however, it's obvious your knowledge and understanding
is that of an infant school child.

And that's being unkind to the child.

tinmenace

18-10-2007, 11:34 PM

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/trolls/notsushibait.jpg

i tried it as you suggested.
I picked up my son's guitar, and i said "oh, you omnipotent universe. manifest me playing guitar like Jimmy Page. well, few seconds later when my son covered his ears i discovered that i cannot manifest that. but, i am sure that i can learn it it i try real hard.

so, maybe you have better manifestation trick?
would you care to share it with rest of us?

king

19-10-2007, 09:08 PM

King wrote,

What a load of complete crap.

Listen - if you want to have a genuine debate on what is an intricate
and important subject- learn, first of all, even the fundamental
principles behind this idea.

You can hope

Pray,

Visualize

Affirm

And stand on your fucking head all day long
hoping to play like Jimmy page- and nothing will happen.

The work involves facing up - and ultimately dissolving layers and
layers of belief and deep feeling patterns, both conscious
and unconscious -that lay at the core of our outlook on life -
before ANY chance will occur.

When you started this debate - I thought you were a serious student
of this idea - however, it's obvious your knowledge and understanding
is that of an infant school child.

And that's being unkind to the child.

uh oh! that calls for moderators to get involved!

you need to get that warning thing for using profane language against other forum users!

look buddy, i do not care what you think.
if you think you can manifest whatever you please please do us a favor and de-manifest the chemtrails, for starters.
we would love to see blue skies again.

otherwise it is all talk and no substance.

again, you (and poster after you) seem to be confusing acquiring of skills with manifestations.

not a same thing, and if you cannot comprehend this -- then i give up trying to explain it to you.

seanx

19-10-2007, 10:08 PM

uh oh! that calls for moderators to get involved!

you need to get that warning thing for using profane language against other forum users!

look buddy, i do not care what you think.
if you think you can manifest whatever you please please do us a favor and de-manifest the chemtrails, for starters.
we would love to see blue skies again.

otherwise it is all talk and no substance.

again, you (and poster after you) seem to be confusing acquiring of skills with manifestations.

not a same thing, and if you cannot comprehend this -- then i give up trying to explain it to you.

Don't get involved in discussions or threads that you know zero
about.

Your wasting everyone's time.

Go and play somewhere else.

mentalogirl

19-10-2007, 10:33 PM

uh oh! that calls for moderators to get involved!

you need to get that warning thing for using profane language against other forum users!

look buddy, i do not care what you think.
if you think you can manifest whatever you please please do us a favor and de-manifest the chemtrails, for starters.
we would love to see blue skies again.

otherwise it is all talk and no substance.

again, you (and poster after you) seem to be confusing acquiring of skills with manifestations.

not a same thing, and if you cannot comprehend this -- then i give up trying to explain it to you.

With a username like KING,what else can we expect but a blueblooded attitude?

I thought for a moment that you were the reincarnation of james777,
but at the end of the day you're all just like a neverending supply of Agent Smiths...:D

eternal_spirit

19-10-2007, 10:39 PM

i tried it as you suggested.
I picked up my son's guitar, and i said "oh, you omnipotent universe. manifest me playing guitar like Jimmy Page. well, few seconds later when my son covered his ears i discovered that i cannot manifest that. but, i am sure that i can learn it it i try real hard.

so, maybe you have better manifestation trick?
would you care to share it with rest of us?

...............

LOL too funny. I'm still trying to conjure some cash. How's it done?

eternal_spirit

19-10-2007, 10:48 PM

Just say the magic words? Think the right thoughts, "get in to the right state of mind?" Surely it's all just "wishful thinking" Fantasy, illusions good fortune/luck, law of averages, chance.

tiswas

19-10-2007, 10:52 PM

Glad To See You Back, Mentagirl.
It is best to fight against conflicting thoughts.

i am all i am

20-10-2007, 12:05 AM

"Infinite Love" doesn't pay bills or buy groceries.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Damagedbrain.

Hahahaha, I would offer myself as an example for you to realise that what you have posted is a fallacy.

I do not work.
I have no other source of income.
I have no monetary accounts with any financial institution.
I have no identification, i.e. drivers license, birth certificate, etc, etc.

I do not do anything for anybody to gain anything, whether it be financially, or for food, etc. Yet I am typing on a new computer that was specifically bought for me to use, I have organic food shared with me every day, and I could continue here, but you get the idea eh.

Now, I declare that this is because I give out unconditional love and therefore it is what I get back from others.

So, from my experience, I can offer you a different way of believing, that if incorporated into your life, can lead you to totally freeing yourself from the system.

BELIEF IS ALL

ALL THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS LEAD FROM YOUR BELIEF.

IF YOUR BELIEF IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING, THEN YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND UNABLE TO SEE THAT WHICH YOU ARE OPPOSED TO.

YOUR BELIEF ALLOWS YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE THAT WHICH YOU BELIEVE IN HERE AND NOW WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.

THEREFORE, BELIEVING WILL ALLOW YOU TO SEE, AND THAT WHICH YOU SEE IS A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU BELIEVE.

TO MASTER YOURSELF, OR EXPERIENCE SELF-MASTERY, YOU WILL REQUIRE A BELIEF THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THAT IS.

THE BELIEF THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ENCOMPASS ALL THAT IS AND THEREFORE UNDERSTAND AND SEE ALL THAT IS, IS THE BELIEF THAT ALL IS POSSIBLE.

AS ALL THAT IS IS ALREADY HERE WITHIN ITS ENTIRETY, IT BECOMES YOUR CHOICE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THAT IS AND ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS.

TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS TO RECOGNISE, OR RE-COGNISE, THAT IS, ONCE AGAIN EXPERIENCE KNOWING.

TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS, IS TO ACCEPT YOUR TRUE SELF, THE INFINITE BEING THAT YOU TRULY ARE.

WHAT YOU ARE BEING, YOU EXPERIENCE, AND IT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE OF BEING YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE HERE FOR.

THEREFORE, WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BE WILL DETERMINE YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND ONLY THROUGH YOUR EXPERIENCE CAN YOU EXPRESS SELF-MASTERY WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.

Because you believe that LOVE will not look after you, then that is what you experience. If you would love to experience the joy of living free of financial concerns, then you will require to alter your belief system about LOVE, otherwise you will continue to experience life in the manner with which you are now doing.

THANK YOU.

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auron

20-10-2007, 12:32 AM

Thanks for that mate!

I needed reminding again. :)

i am all i am

20-10-2007, 12:48 AM

Ok,

maybe he is doing it for the money as well as doing it because its true.... infact this is probebly very likely seeing as

A, most of what he goes into can be proven as Fact.... and what cant also cant be proven not to be a fact.

B, we all need to earn money, especially if we want to have weight behind projects we do, what ever they may be. So this confirms that he also want to earn money out of it.

No, we do not "need to earn money". I am living proof of that we do not.

How many people here will risk their income for others just to help them??? CERTAINLY not the people who come down on him!

This is what makes me laugh and this is not directed at you as such, its directed at many people who truly come down on Icke for making a living out of this..

they are quick as lightning to come down on him for making a living from it... but what do they offer for free, for others? ... when they go to work what do they let slip through their net?? ..nothing because its their security and lively hood, so its always kept in their bag....

But David? , no, he must risk it all for us.... its his job to serve us info for free...set us free and risk being homeless and probably completely crushed by the system for us!, us first, his family later! ..and these people to me are as ignorant and pig headed as you could get and are the real illuminati casualties that Icke is infact trying to reduce.

Now if David believed that we are all one, the we would all be his family.

I have been without a residence, but I always had a home. A home is merely an idea that you carry around with you. You can 'make yourself at home' anywhere you choose to.

If David truly believed that he created his own reality, then there would be no risk involved in him doing anything, because he would be creating the reality that he desired.

Who is David supporting by his way of 'earning a living' ???

Could it be the woodchipping industry, the paper mill industry, financial institutions, etc, etc ???

Then...once this is established ..then comes ignorant line of, "but David said him self that money is not real and its just illusion and we create our fortune, and now he asks for money... what a hypocrite"!!

for a start he has never said that he can live with out money.... he has said WE CAN ... he has stated the fact that it does not exist.... banks don't have it and we are just trapped in a huge trick.... but this does not mean he is immune to it... but its true we all have the power to brake any illusion.

Hahahaha, "Infinite love is all there is, everything else is illusion.", so David saying this would mean that he CAN live without money because he understands how to manifest his reality without having to work/slave for finances.

Do you believe that "he can" is a part of "WE CAN" ???

Or do you believe David to be seperate from the rest of us ???

secondly he is proving that you create your reality by earning a living by doing what he wants to do...

Which a few billion people around the world do on a daily basis. Which in essence, is the herd mentality that David himself talks about.

Changing your belief structure will show you how you can free yourself from the programmed response of "earning a living". When born you didn't earn a living, you merely lived. It was only after having been indoctrinated by the system that you believed that you had to "earn a living".

if others want to do the same then they need to get up off their backside and work as hard as he has.

Why should anyone have to do anything because someone else is doing it ???

and Lastly if people really think he does it for the money.... do you not think that maybe there are some things he could do a little less stressful to make a living? ... its not as if its been sweet sailing for him.... the last few years he has gained more respect and deservedly so.... and it seems these last few years are what people don't like, maybe because deep down they don't want him to be real and telling the truth.. I think they would rather him be false.. when the fact of the matter is, he is true.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Thirdwave.

Obviously David is doing it for the money, otherwise he would find another way to create an income and give all of the information away freely. There is no problem with that unless he declares otherwise, which would show him to be a liar if he did that.

Maybe it is that David is made out to be superior to everyone else that people have an issue with, and the realisation that he is as much a slave as everyone else is shown through by David 'needing to earn an income', and this is why they point to the fact of David not giving the information freely.

THANK YOU.

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i am all i am

20-10-2007, 12:54 AM

Thanks for that mate!

I needed reminding again. :)

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Auron.

No worries mate. I am glad that you enjoyed it.

Here's another reminder for you brother...every thought, action and word has led you to where you are now, therefore every thought, action and word that you have expressed is perfect, for it has perfectly led you to be HERE NOW ! ! !

YOU ARE PERFECT ! ! !

Oh yeah, and I love you.

THANK YOU.

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auron

20-10-2007, 01:02 AM

That's a great one!!

I shall have to memorize that!! :)

Spot on too, with your above reply to thirdwave.

chandrakavi

20-10-2007, 03:22 AM

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Thirdwave.

Obviously David is doing it for the money, otherwise he would find another way to create an income and give all of the information away freely. There is no problem with that unless he declares otherwise, which would show him to be a liar if he did that.

Maybe it is that David is made out to be superior to everyone else that people have an issue with, and the realisation that he is as much a slave as everyone else is shown through by David 'needing to earn an income', and this is why they point to the fact of David not giving the information freely.

THANK YOU.

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David Icke's work and research is called CREATIVITY,
and creativity also creates money,
he does not have an anti-money attitude,
the anti-money attitude ,was created by Christianity centuries ago , specially
the Catholic Church, where they speak against money,
and live in places with roofs made of gold and platinum.
That way they talk to the masses with a double standard,
They ask that people that go to the Vatican PAY for the written blessings given by the Pope. They give nothing for free,
yet they demand David Icke and others to do so,
Definetly they DO NOT preach with their example,
maybe they should start doing things for free,
after all it is their idea, right?
Could start by giving away for FREE the Gold Cross that the Pope wears,
Christ never wore something like that. Here you go, catch!
They could start by being CREATIVE, and not have the attitude of a lawyer
towards life.

i am all i am

20-10-2007, 03:48 AM

David Icke's work and research is called CREATIVITY,

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Chandrakavi.

Would you please point out which part of David Icke's work that you believe to be creative for me ???

It appears to me that many people claim 'creative rights' to things that they have not created within this incarnation. At an ultimate level where we are all one, I can see that we created everything that we are now experiencing.

Personally, I arrange letters into words that have rhythm and rhyme that is called poetry. I claim no creative rights to the words that I have arranged. They were around long before I decided to arrange them into a pattern. I prepare food, but it is the flame that cooks it. I can plant a seed, but it is the plant that grows with the help of sunlight, rain and nutrients from the soil.

Anyway, I am interested in what you believe that David Icke creates.

THANK YOU.

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chandrakavi

20-10-2007, 04:24 AM

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Chandrakavi.

Would you please point out which part of David Icke's work that you believe to be creative for me ???

It appears to me that many people claim 'creative rights' to things that they have not created within this incarnation. At an ultimate level where we are all one, I can see that we created everything that we are now experiencing.

Personally, I arrange letters into words that have rhythm and rhyme that is called poetry. I claim no creative rights to the words that I have arranged. They were around long before I decided to arrange them into a pattern. I prepare food, but it is the flame that cooks it. I can plant a seed, but it is the plant that grows with the help of sunlight, rain and nutrients from the soil.

Anyway, I am interested in what you believe that David Icke creates.

THANK YOU.

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Hi I am All I Am:
Did you see a movie called IL POSTINO? It is about the life of Pablo Neruda,
the postman of the town, who has become a friend of Pablo Neruda, since he
is the only one he has to take a letter to, begun to copy some of Neruda's poetry to impress his girl friend. When Neruda found out about it and asked
him, he replied: "Poetry does not belong to he who made it, but to whom uses it well."

His analysis and connecting all the dots (wether you agree or not) is very creative, if you have read that in his books you'll know what I am talking about.

Things have a life of their own, I agree, but you can use that in this case
to create a switch from plain knowledge to wisdom, and waking up.

Every writer has to claim private intelectual rights on what he writes.
It is what the law asks for.

If you want to do what you like, you can only do it by earning a living by it.
or else there won't be time to continue to do that, or you would have to
work as a banker from 9 to 6. (there joke says slavery has not been abolished it has been changed from 9 to 6)

Everything was created by divinity way before we were here,
this is a game that has been going on since man started on earth,
to elevate conciousness, many have helped and dissapeared, and many more will come. Doing this is not being part of the system,
"be in the world but not be part of it".

Words have always been here, you can find them all in the dictionary.
But since things cannot be explained in silence, words, well used, is creartivity.
I love the Sun
I love the Rain
They were here before I was born, can anyone doubt that?
There is no need for equality; what is needed is uniqueness. Try to express your uniqueness and help others to express their uniqueness.
Is this creativity? Who cares! My heart is singing and that is enough,
because I know many more will sing with me!

INFINITE LOVE

i am all i am

20-10-2007, 05:40 AM

Hi I am All I Am:
Did you see a movie called IL POSTINO?

..........

My heart is singing and that is enough,
because I know many more will sing with me!

INFINITE LOVE

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Chandrakavi.

I've heard of the movie but have not seen it yet.

Your heart singing is a self-creation, and the only creation that we can truly claim as our own, for it is always our choice alone. Everything else is a co-creation, and I would love to co-create a song with you and sing it for all to hear. Two hearts singing together would be a creative force that would shine love so that fears would disappear as darkness does within light.

Namaste.

THANK YOU.

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oceanwave

20-10-2007, 08:04 AM

Glad To See You Back, Mentagirl.
It is best to fight against conflicting thoughts.

lol, love the suggestion there...

...conflicting, at best...

:D ;)

king

20-10-2007, 12:56 PM

With a username like KING,what else can we expect but a blueblooded attitude?

I thought for a moment that you were the reincarnation of james777,
but at the end of the day you're all just like a neverending supply of Agent Smiths...:D

so now user name KING explains my 'horrible' personality?

by the same rule applied --what does mentalogirl depicts?

and just because you have different view than i do -- that does not make me agent Smith.

what you believe is none of my business,as what i believe is none of your business, so whatever you believe is fine with me.
but what is not fine is to get all worked out about your manifesting, expecting me to accept beliefs that you are accepting.

that is simply not going to happen.

strider

20-10-2007, 01:12 PM

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seanx

20-10-2007, 01:24 PM

Mr king wrote:

expecting me to accept beliefs that you are accepting.

that is simply not going to happen.

Why do you people think we want you to accept these new ideas
about the nature of reality?

You -sir, YOU came onto this thread to sneer at these ideas.

You invited yourself.

You contributed nothing but the same old negativity.

The same old smart remarks ( oh, I affirmed to play the guitar - ah,
nothing happening, so this is all bollocks!) that people will no knowledge
of these ideas always come up with.

let's make it clear: I couldn't give a damn What you believe.

It's of no concern to me one iota.

And I bet mentalogirl thinks the same.

But her point is right:

at the end of the day you're all just like a neverending supply of Agent Smiths...

You and your fellow thinkers always come onto the threads where
this idea is being discussed to continually sneer and ridicule it.

Which would be fair enough if you knew anything about it - which
you, clearly don't - so what's the other conclusion .....
an neverending supply of totally unconscious Agent Smiths?

mentalogirl

20-10-2007, 02:30 PM

so now user name KING explains my 'horrible' personality?

by the same rule applied --what does mentalogirl depicts?

and just because you have different view than i do -- that does not make me agent Smith.

what you believe is none of my business,as what i believe is none of your business, so whatever you believe is fine with me.
but what is not fine is to get all worked out about your manifesting, expecting me to accept beliefs that you are accepting.

that is simply not going to happen.

Well,since you ask,my username is based on a character from a 60's film called 'The Man With The X Ray Vision',which I always found inspiring and visionary.

You put words in my mouth,sir.I did not say anything about your 'horrible' personality.The 'blueblooded' reference was to your attitude,and I connected King with a certain sense of superiority.Your continuous arrogance in defending your beliefs and at times trying to convince everyone that what you say is the truth is what prompted me to post.
But don't worry,you are not the only one behaving this way on this forum.Hence my other reference to Agent Smith.
But you obviously do not even realize what you are doing,and if you do,then you do it on purpose.

We all believe what we choose,but a bit of courtesy and respect for fellow forum members is always advised when discussing such beliefs.

tinmenace

20-10-2007, 03:30 PM

so now user name KING explains my 'horrible' personality?

Nah, your crappy attitude and redundant posts do.....:rolleyes:

chandrakavi

20-10-2007, 04:11 PM

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Chandrakavi.

I've heard of the movie but have not seen it yet.

Your heart singing is a self-creation, and the only creation that we can truly claim as our own, for it is always our choice alone. Everything else is a co-creation, and I would love to co-create a song with you and sing it for all to hear. Two hearts singing together would be a creative force that would shine love so that fears would disappear as darkness does within light.

Namaste.

THANK YOU.

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif
I agree with you!
NAMASTE I AM ALL I AM

LOVE TO YOU

revolutionary_jam

20-10-2007, 04:17 PM

wowz good post

I think it was wrong for your post to be deleted, but it would also be wrong to delete the anti-semitism stuff, it would only encourage them in their view that the world is against their richeous racism

love and best x

Antony

It's extraordinary.

I’ve been reading this forum for the past few weeks, without
responding – and the most obnoxious, racist anti-Semitism has
been aired here – without been deleted.

I’ve read the most negative, ‘everything-is-horrible’,
‘we-all-fucking-doomed’ stuff that is posted here every day – without
it been deleted.

And yet – and it’s quite incredible!! ( No- it’s mind-blogging)- when
I posted an article by a certain man named David icke- ANYBODY
here REMEMBER that guy – where he explains in extraordinary, clear
terms how the law of attractions works – IT IS DELETED.

Not the racist stuff.

Not all the negative, depressing stuff -

But positive, uplifting stuff written by the man himself!

And the reason – this stuff can only be seen by premier subscribers.

Now, I’m a premier subscriber.

Everybody here should be – it only costs a few bob – and it’s right
that premier subscribers can access all his articles.

But SURELY reason – and common sense must reign here.

We MUST take context into account.

And surely, when the context demands it (Police Sitting In Car
watching My House thread) – we should be able to quote past articles
by dave icke –where the articles themselves explain perfectly
the point that needs to be made.

I agree that it would not be fair to reprint them all every week –
of course not, but surely, now and then – in the proper context
– we should be able to quote him.

So that you go.

The racist crap and all usual negative crap is fine – but
ANY dave icle articles – definitely OUT!

But there is a positive side!!

For the terrible sin of quoting a past dave icke article – this time,
I’m not going to be given any warning points.

So, it seems……. everything is in- except anything written
by Icke.

Am I missing something here??

king

27-10-2007, 12:44 AM

;

Well,since you ask,my username is based on a character from a 60's film called 'The Man With The X Ray Vision',which I always found inspiring and visionary.

fine with me

my username is representing something that i despise the most - Kings and royalties. so,....I have chosen this nick because of that, as i wanted to see how people would associate true me to my nick. and, the reason i did that is because in other forums they did associate forum nick with my personality. so this nick was my little "experiment".

The 'blueblooded' reference was to your attitude,and I connected King with a certain sense of superiority.

I see. now you know that this "king" is not blueblooded reference but a shield of sort of my real personality.
And, i do not think that i am "superior" either.

Your continuous arrogance in defending your beliefs and at times trying to convince everyone that what you say is the truth is what prompted me to post.

yes, i can try to "defend my beliefs" as you say -- but your beliefs should be the only ones that count -- to you!
but, i was not arrogant with you, was i? i just tried to point out to other forum user certain things and you got involved in that process. i had no idea that this would be such a touchy subject for many.

it sure seems that beliefs seem to be very funny "animals"

But, not so long ago I used to be the same way, if someone stepped on my beliefs -- i was not too happy about it. Eventually, i learned to let it go, let people believe whatewr they want as long as they are not trying to convince me that they are right and i am wrong.

But don't worry,you are not the only one behaving this way on this forum.Hence my other reference to Agent Smith.

OK, fair enough.

But you obviously do not even realize what you are doing,and if you do,then you do it on purpose.

maybe i was a bit edgy lately, i felt a bit "hyper" (ha ha) did not get enough sleep, too busy with many projects.
if i offended you in any way -- i apologize!

We all believe what we choose,but a bit of courtesy and respect for fellow forum members is always advised when discussing such beliefs.

ok. I really did not mean to hurt your feelings. sometimes i like to push the envelope a bit, especially when someone
is trying to push their beliefs on me. it was not you who started that cycle, but you got involved in it somehow.

honestly, whatever you believe is fine with me.

king

27-10-2007, 12:55 AM

Mr king wrote:

Why do you people think we want you to accept these new ideas
about the nature of reality?

You -sir, YOU came onto this thread to sneer at these ideas.

You invited yourself.

You contributed nothing but the same old negativity.

The same old smart remarks ( oh, I affirmed to play the guitar - ah,
nothing happening, so this is all bollocks!) that people will no knowledge
of these ideas always come up with.

let's make it clear: I couldn't give a damn What you believe.

It's of no concern to me one iota.

And I bet mentalogirl thinks the same.

But her point is right:

You and your fellow thinkers always come onto the threads where
this idea is being discussed to continually sneer and ridicule it.

Which would be fair enough if you knew anything about it - which
you, clearly don't - so what's the other conclusion .....
an neverending supply of totally unconscious Agent Smiths?

seanx

it sure seems that my questioning and responding on your posts have greatly agitated you. you think that i am busting in your thread, trying to mess things up.

in actuality, i just wanted to provide some counterarguments, to make you think of other possibilities, to provide counterarguments.
to me, anytime someone challenged my beliefs and provided counterarguments that made me do more reserch was always best way to learn, and most progressive.

but, apparently you are now pissed off at me.

so, why don't you tell me what what points [if any] about nature of reality, manifesting, LOA and other would you like to argue and i'll be glad to do so.

mr_moon

27-10-2007, 01:09 AM

seanx

it sure seems that my questioning and responding on your posts have greatly agitated you. you think that i am busting in your thread, trying to mess things up.

in actuality, i just wanted to provide some counterarguments, to make you think of other possibilities, to provide counterarguments.
to me, anytime someone challenged my beliefs and provided counterarguments that made me do more reserch was always best way to learn, and most progressive.

but, apparently you are now pissed off at me.

so, why don't you tell me what what points [if any] about nature of reality, manifesting, LOA and other would you like to argue and i'll be glad to do so.

I've always found that questioning yourself instead of others, is the most progressive...

...'counter' arguments are 'counter' productive to the one providing it because they are not questioning themselves.

This is the Law of Attraction my good man. If you want counter arguments you get them... forever and ever and ever until it's too late to either:

a) Win the argument- in which case the easiest way would have been to just stop, walk away and question yourself instead.

or

b) Realise that it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks because you create your own reality anyway.

however you could always

c) Dance, sing, create something and smile, hug, make friends with someone, be nice to yourself. That always works too :)

Lots of Love
xxxxxxxxxxx