There is no mass awaking!

[time_lord]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

[martg]

I agree, there may be the small scale political awakening that Brzezinski spoke of, but I have my doubts about the spiritual awakening that David Icke constantly speaks about.

[owain]

Keep in mind some people are very aware but sort of 'afraid' to speak up if you know what I mean. Some believe they may be seen as 'crazy, 'person who needs to get out more', etc. so they just keep low-profile and take each day as it comes. Not everybody likes the attention.

[radio illuminati]

well I see people become awake but agree you should take care of your basic needs to survive.

[fratoue]

The truth is your right and you beat me to it to post something similar. In the last year I have realised there is no mass awakening having spent days wasted debating with also seemingly intelligent types who simply will never ever question what they are told or the official story of events. I even met a girl who knew a lot about the NWO, FMOTL etc (first time ever) and she thinks the global awakening will happen despite the fact she was being dragged to court for possession of weed and thinks they will have sympathy on her when she argues her point on being a soverign. Naive to say the least!



There is no Global Awakening, be happy that the few here who know what's going on and let the rest go on the way they want. This constant battle of trying to "Wake people up" is exhausting and pointless, it ain't gonna happen!.

[neoconsumer]

For every one person who "wakes up", a hundred other close minded idiots appear.


Of course there isn't a "mass awakening" - take this religious nonsense elsewhere. The way information is accessed has changed greatly which means those who are inclined to ask questions can become much better informed - but there isn't some magical change going on effecting all humanity.

[kappy0405]

well, I'm out at least 3-4 times a month (sometimes more) passing out leaflets and talking directly with people.. Over the last year or so there HAS absolutely been a large awakening to the political manipulation going on. A few years ago, nobody would listen.. nowadays, I run into random people at the deli talking about the federal reserve, global governance, etc.. It probably has to do with the period of crisis we've been going through more than anything, but it IS happening. I'm not convinced there's some supernatural force that will cause an awakening, but people will without a doubt start to wake up as the ptb inch closer and closer to their goal & the populace starts to see that we were right all along..

That said, it's only going to happen if more of us take initiative and actually try to spread the information. You can reach 100x more people by going out in public then you can through the internet where no one takes anything seriously. We need an organized, dedicated, bipartisan movement specifically with the goal of spreading information about the NWO. If we don't start taking it more seriously and do this, I'm not sure we can stop it.

If there ends up being no awakening, it's our fault.

[ecca]

as I've said before, you can't undo 20 years of brainwashing and conditioning with a fact-sheet and a 20 minute conversation.

[abrilliantone]

Yep, there will not be a "global awakening" of the masses of people. It'll be more like a mass awakening of indivuals. Among the masses of people. :)

[armoured_amazon]

The truth is your right

+1

[kappy0405]

as I've said before, you can't undo 20 years of brainwashing and conditioning with a fact-sheet and a 20 minute conversation.

if the situation is right, you can.

at the very least, you can plant a seed, you can inspire someone to actually take a look and see for themselves.. the more people get out and the more they take notice, the more they'll be willing to listen.

people have trouble undoing their conditioning right now because we're still perceived as a fringe movement. We're really not that fringe anymore - we're just shit organized and most lack the will power to actually try to make a difference.

[noface]

I wouldnt use the term "mass awakening" but i think there is definately a shift in people looking beyond the veil. As a previous poster said though you cannot undo years of brainwashing in a short period of time, it is a gradual processs. I am seeing it in friends who previously were oblivious to things happening on a world-wide scale, beginning to take interest and most importantly, asking questions.

The problem i see with people though are those that are well intangled in the political debate and in "the system" itself, even though they admit how farcical it is, they are still ingrossed in it like its real.

Take this election for example, i would say this election is just THEATRE, a show for the masses. The game is rigged but some people have already bought tickets for the show. Some have tickets in the front row and wouldn't that be a waste not to turn up, even once they know its a sham. Its like people just want to be entertained, they want something to spew about because the truth is so damn painful and boring to hear.

[radio illuminati]

My old mother has awoken and she is a sheep. She believes 9/11 is an inside job and is starting to understand how big it is. She even thinks the vulcano in Iceland was blown up by HAARP and even educated me about they had a drill at the same time :eek:

She says she speaks with many like minded sheep that agrees with her that everything is in a big mess and things are not like it looks like.

She is not like me totally active and taking actions in her own hands. But she is slowly spreading the truth.

I think the sheep is starting to get it but they are in a big shock at the moment. She tries very hard to slip into the Matrix but it becomes harder and harder for her to do that. She is a person that does not want to wake up. I guess that is what defines a sheep.

Don't worry, the more open the police state becomes the harder it is for sheep to deny it.

[noface]

Why does everyone insist on calling everyone "Sheep"?

It implies and insists we hold other people in contempt and does nothing to help anyone or anything, seriously. :mad:

[radio illuminati]

Why does everyone insist on calling everyone "Sheep"?

It implies and insists we hold other people in contempt and does nothing to help anyone or anything, seriously. :mad:
Well, if you have been awake for 8-9 years and heard so much sheep BS like me, then I think you also would be a little pissed off and the same time try to help them.

The only thing I do is to call them sheep. They would not hesitate to report you to the nearest FEMA camp. They are not so nice either. But their evil is just so much bigger even though they look cute:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2194/2281278741_432725018d.jpg

[iwant_tobreak_free]

Why does everyone insist on calling everyone "Sheep"?

It implies and insists we hold other people in contempt and does nothing to help anyone or anything, seriously. :mad:

i do hold people in contempt, if theyre not willing to research and take the time to understand how the world works then they are a sheep.

[nirvana]

i do hold people in contempt, if theyre not willing to research and take the time to understand how the world works then they are a sheep.


Maybe we are all sheep. Most of us do our research and this research consists of saying what someone else has told us.

It must be true david icke ,alex jones, david wilcox, maxwell etc said it was.

Research these days is reading a book and copying what someone else has said.
Many of us are not in a position to do our research unless we are scientists or have inside information to banks,bilderburg groups etc.

So we take the higher road fill our heads with other peoples so called research and call everyone that does not agree sheep.

I believe after 10 years of researching Im awake and as an awakend person .I havent got a clue whats going on.:D

[martg]

Maybe we are all sheep. Most of us do our research and this research consists of saying what someone else has told us.

It must be true david icke ,alex jones, david wilcox, maxwell etc said it was.

Research these days is reading a book and copying what someone else has said.
Many of us are not in a position to do our research unless we are scientists or have inside information to banks,bilderburg groups etc.

So we take the higher road fill our heads with other peoples so called research and call everyone that does not agree sheep.

I believe after 10 years of researching Im awake and as an awakend person .I havent got a clue whats going on.:D

LMAO :D
I agree 100%

[lobuk]

You only have to look at how many British people are voting today for the Main Stream Parties to see how many sheep there are in Britain.

We are overun with Sheep.

We should rename the Country to Barrrrrrrrrrritain. :eek:

[noface]

i do hold people in contempt, if theyre not willing to research and take the time to understand how the world works then they are a sheep.

Sounds like a dangerous mentality to me, buddy.

"You should be doing this; or i hold you in contempt"

:eek:

[noface]

Maybe we are all sheep. Most of us do our research and this research consists of saying what someone else has told us.

It must be true david icke ,alex jones, david wilcox, maxwell etc said it was.

Research these days is reading a book and copying what someone else has said.
Many of us are not in a position to do our research unless we are scientists or have inside information to banks,bilderburg groups etc.

So we take the higher road fill our heads with other peoples so called research and call everyone that does not agree sheep.

I believe after 10 years of researching Im awake and as an awakend person .I havent got a clue whats going on.:D

I remember listening to a Terence McKenna clip where he said;

"TRUST YOURSELF, Go for direct experience. Everything else is just unconfirmable rumour, probably lies ... nobody is smarter than you are"

That really resonated with me. :)

[neoconsumer]

Yep, there will not be a "global awakening" of the masses of people. It'll be more like a mass awakening of individuals. Among the masses of people. :)


You're kind of right, but I get the feeling that the term "awakening" implies that we've all been sleeping until now - which may be true on a personal level but not on a global level.

For the past 100 years there has been a fringe of people who were close to the truth. In recent years their ability to influence has expanded with the internet, but the state's ability to influence with the destruction of the educational systems is also expanding and effectively cancelling out our progress.




We're not winning because those who are awake are still deluded into thinking that the ruling elite will just surrender their control without us having to actually do anything. We'll soon pass the tenth anniversary of 9/11 - it's importance, regardless of people's views on the multiple theories, is fading and therefore the criminals have gotten away with their crime. Same goes for most criminal acts carried out by the ruling elite - we don't fight back, we don't kill them and so they go on and keep winning it their way.


They're like cancerous tumours embedded in humanity - they aren't going to leave if we ask them nicely. They need to be cut out and destroyed.

[iwant_tobreak_free]

Maybe we are all sheep. Most of us do our research and this research consists of saying what someone else has told us.

It must be true david icke ,alex jones, david wilcox, maxwell etc said it was.

Research these days is reading a book and copying what someone else has said.
Many of us are not in a position to do our research unless we are scientists or have inside information to banks,bilderburg groups etc.

So we take the higher road fill our heads with other peoples so called research and call everyone that does not agree sheep.

I believe after 10 years of researching Im awake and as an awakend person .I havent got a clue whats going on.:D

all those people you mentioned above i believe are thieves, liars and frauds.

i will agree i have listened and read what they have to say. but research isnt just that. its also cross checking and substantiating what is said with other research. a sheep will simply accept what is said without any form of research, be told what to believe. a sheep wouldnt even find any of those liars and frauds who fill peoples heads with shit like the 21st century gurus, whilst raking in money and disemminating fear.

being awake has developed this semi religious tone, like its a status symbol. all it means is to not be asleep anymore. to be aware the world is not as it seems.

"WAKE UP" bill cooper said that alot, now theres a guy who wasnt a fraud, i see alex jones and we are change researching LOADS. print it off for me rob doo!

haha

david icke, someone told me they saw a reptilian

Fuck, i dont even know anything about david wilcock. i dont want to.

jordan maxwell...hes ok - hes old school.

[iwant_tobreak_free]

I remember listening to a Terence McKenna clip where he said;

"TRUST YOURSELF, Go for direct experience. Everything else is just unconfirmable rumour, probably lies ... nobody is smarter than you are"

That really resonated with me. :)

course it did, it fed ur ego :p

[why_do_it_to_yourself]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.


Change the way you put yourself across to people and they will stop thinking your a nutter !!!!!


and cheer the fuck up !!!

[iwant_tobreak_free]

You're kind of right, but I get the feeling that the term "awakening" implies that we've all been sleeping until now - which may be true on a personal level but not on a global level.

For the past 100 years there has been a fringe of people who were close to the truth. In recent years their ability to influence has expanded with the internet, but the state's ability to influence with the destruction of the educational systems is also expanding and effectively cancelling out our progress.




We're not winning because those who are awake are still deluded into thinking that the ruling elite will just surrender their control without us having to actually do anything. We'll soon pass the tenth anniversary of 9/11 - it's importance, regardless of people's views on the multiple theories, is fading and therefore the criminals have gotten away with their crime. Same goes for most criminal acts carried out by the ruling elite - we don't fight back, we don't kill them and so they go on and keep winning it their way.


They're like cancerous tumours embedded in humanity - they aren't going to leave if we ask them nicely. They need to be cut out and destroyed.

well said dude. bill cooper said, short of civil war you cant get rid of them without this "global awakening". we've been pussyfied into believing that any form of self defence is bad karma. and thats all it is, self defence. be willing to defend yourself and your family from harm.

The true american way - which should be british - is if they encroach on your freedom, put down the megaphone and the fliers, pick up whatever weapon you have handy, and storm washington dc. the same should be accross the world.

[noface]

course it did, it fed ur ego :p

What Ego? :rolleyes::p

[ownoiz]

There is no mass awaking

No shit :D

A rare breed indeed, some of the people here, thats what i have come to think.

Although humankind may evolve in 20-30 years and figure it out on a wider scale as the empires control gets tighter and tighter, but then again with all the drugs in the water and vaccines + MSM and cultural conditioning, it could get worse. :eek:

Work for the empire till ur 75 and drop, with a good part of your wage going to superanuation, (where they get to play with the wealth you created in their financial gabes and puppet shows) thats what they want.

Edit: gabes meant to be games...

I accidentaly pressed B instead of M, since there is only one key seperating them, i must have fat fingers :rolleyes:
.

[blackstar76]

The people that are still asleep will need a massive global event to wake them up. Something like a celestial event or Aliens landing. I am sure there will be lots of people in Greece waking up right now. The same will happen will the US dollar collaspes. I hope it is not too late by then.

More people are waking up. You can see it in the emails CNN is getting. People are at least realizing that the money system is a joke and that it will take 3 generations of slaves to pay it back in the US alone.

I understand your frustration of trying to wake people up. I made a simular post a couple of days ago. People think I am gone crazy and I gave up introducing this stuff to people.

Even my dad who is ex Canadian Miltary who spied on Russian satelites in the cold war is beginning to see the truth. He knows 9-11 was rigged and that the money system is controlled by back door government. He just doesn't believe in Illuminati and bloodlines etc. He is also open to Aliens but not too keen on spiritual insights. But it is a start.

[whiteknightd]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

seriously though...there's only so much we can do. we can't force people to see what they can't. it also drains me of energy so i decided fuck it. i'm only going to focus on people with open minds, and those have been coming into my life alot lately.

[iwant_tobreak_free]

seriously though...there's only so much we can do. we can't force people to see what they can't. it also drains me of energy so i decided fuck it. i'm only going to focus on people with open minds, and those have been coming into my life alot lately.

People are now complaining that more people vote BNP than Green Party.

So i tried to explain that the Greens are all communists. but nah...no interest.

BNP = disgusting Greens = messianic

[relentless]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

Well I disagree... I can see people 'waking up' all around me.
They don't need to read mountains of research, or to 'know' everything you do.

It all starts with a question forming in someones mind, which leads on to others and their away. What started you thinking? What were you thinking before that?

Just remember when you're 'arguing' with people over the 'nature of reality' there is something called 'perception'. Ask yourself are you trying to tell people they are essentially wrong and that you have the 'right' answers? That will always drop like vomit.

It also never works to come accross as a 'paranoid conspiracy searching parrot' :p Why? For one you might lose peoples confidence, by being disrespecful to their 'lack of depth of understanding of world affairs'. Lets face it a good amount of people aren't interested in anything deeper than assigning 'like' or 'dislike' to their day to day encounters.

The other thing is that if 'you' are 'representing' a 'view' of reality, ie; 911 was an inside job, you will be the 'face of the conspiracy opinion' for that person you're talking with. If you shove it down their throat relentlessly, you will be 'letting down the side' to an extent.

Do you actually know what happened on 911? Fair question... When I got the news of it 9 years ago, the first thing I said to a mate of mine was, "Bush is behind that", I instantly recognised it as a staged terrorism event of some sort. Yet to this day I can honestly say I don't actually know the details of what, who and how it all happened, with absolute certainty. I have opinions, have read many theories, yet its still not 100% conclusive.

"Fuck the rest!" You are sounding a lot like those you oppose:eek:

Anyway, pull ya self together and get over yourself, and don't take life so seriously, you'll be dead one day.:)

[thegatherer]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

You know some of these supposedly 'intelligent' people are actually very strong left-brainers stuck in the matrix. We're really just conditioned to believe that these people are the best minds we've got etc. You may find that if you gave some other social groups a chance, many of them are really far more rounded...when you give em a chance...go on hug a hoodie!!:D
I'm only joking a bit. You can have some great conversations with chavs etc if you pay them respect and dont prejudge...fuck the 'educated' I say!! It just means 'deeply indoctrinated' a lot of the time.

[ruddypaul]

yup, the only awakenned ones are people who have come across new interesting information on the internet, who have the right mindset, and have enough time to look into it. There's no spiritual, brainwave, or crop circle induced counciousness shift bullshit. Its just the fucking internet, that's all, and if you've avoided loose change up until now you're probably always going to dismiss it. Too many people find the idea that 9/11 was a false flag as totaly proposterous. In fact I havent met anyone in MONTHS, in the flesh, who would share that thought - and yet I do try to inform these people most of the time. I just wish I was better at it and wasn't made to feel such an idiot sometimes

[blackstar76]

yup, the only awakenned ones are people who have come across new interesting information on the internet, who have the right mindset, and have enough time to look into it. There's no spiritual, brainwave, or crop circle induced counciousness shift bullshit. Its just the fucking internet, that's all, and if you've avoided loose change up until now you're probably always going to dismiss it. Too many people find the idea that 9/11 was a false flag as totaly proposterous. In fact I havent met anyone in MONTHS, in the flesh, who would share that thought - and yet I do try to inform these people most of the time. I just wish I was better at it and wasn't made to feel such an idiot sometimes

Yeah I know the feeling of feeling like an idiot. But time will show people the way. In the next year or two people will be begging you to tell them more. Patience my friend.

[dude111]

It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!Ya alot more ASLEEP IDIOTS than those who have woken up im afraid!

[unsuredebra]

How strange this thread..

I was only saying today after watching fb democracy and how people are going on, the arguing, the nastiness no respect for other peoples views on politics, you man not agree with someone but at least have the respect for their views.. I then realised, so many people are not waking up..maybe we still have a long way to go.. I just dont know anything anymore

Have a nice day

[mrindigo]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

It's never too late to persevere and overcome the seemingly insurmountable obstacles that are placed before us. I don't see much being learned about incarnation and this grand design we're interwoven with, if we were spoon fed everything. I see our experiences as a vastly important aspect to what it means to be.

Your experiences and my experiences are very different. Mine are different because when these topics come up, I don't force information and state things as factual. I make observation, state opinion, and leave things open for the person/people to make their own intelligent conclusions. I find that when people are encouraged to use their gray matter, the experience is most often enjoyable and personable. There is enough officialness, rules, and constraints shoved down our throats on a daily basis, so I can understand why some people may get angered or annoyed.

Based on my personal experiences, personal observations, and the findings of others, I would have to disagree and say that there is a steadily increasing rate of human consciousness. This is actually a measurable phenomena, and is called the Flynn Effect.

Passing along this information should be done out of love of your fellow creature, yourself, and the eventual goal of equalized empowerment to all. It's not about wearing a special badge that reads "Awakened", and scoffing at those shallowly labeled "asleep". That in itself is self-defeating and regressive, as it only places a new mask on the current limited ruling and confining construct. It's also not about sticking it to the self-proclaimed elitists, their global agenda, and because they have a few more toys than other people. In truth, their agenda is trivial when compared to the forces currently at work. By all means watch their actions, but don't get drawn into their vortex of distraction.

I understand the frustration of trying to get a point across, and not being taken seriously. The desire to help is great, but freewill should be respected, even if doesn't go along with what you've learned. We've all been at the point of limited awareness, and to a great degree we still are, so a level of patients and empathy is needed.

I think the idea of ditching those who don't share a like-mindedness is extremely ill-advised. The differing perspectives and opinions are what create human complexity/diversity, and contribute to literally every aspect of our society and civilization. Without it, we wouldn't have beautiful works of art, thought provoking books, and discoveries in understanding this grand design we know as life.

[talkshowsonmute]

how did you know ???

[ulaw]

This is so true, for a time I do believe it was happening then in the past few years people have become more stupid, trust me i work in the public sector and you wont believe how stupid and dopey people have become...
Me thinks TPTB are using more esoteric ways to make the population more sheeple like,dependent and stupid.

[danster82]

Elections also remind you of this with people ranting on about who to vote as if it means somthing, as in they still have total faith in the system, and so they cant have awakened much if that is so.

[muddyleopard]

as I've said before, you can't undo 20 years of brainwashing and conditioning with a fact-sheet and a 20 minute conversation.

why not? how long did it take you to see sense then?

all it takes is for someone to acknowledge just one of the many huge lies, and the whole belief systems comes crashing down in seconds. that was my personal experience, as a socialist, catholic fluoride junkie ... what i mean is, i don't consider i am that much different to anyone else?

mass awakening, though? as one poster said, only if you do your bit. in the end, none of it matters, but integrity tells us to help others see the truck before it flattens them...

[djhooker]

Elections also remind you of this with people ranting on about who to vote as if it means somthing, as in they still have total faith in the system, and so they cant have awakened much if that is so.

judging by the election results, there appears to be mass retardation.

[typenicknamehere]

I have been suprised here and there ,however I know one lady who is so completely dependant on "the news" and is so naive that she cannot comprehend that an establishment could lie to her or give her the wrong information, I dont like using the word "brainwashed" but she is the closest thing.

Anyway ,last year I was showing my boss.. who is a regular type of guy -by that I mean his head would explode if you bagan talking about reptiles- I showed him a video on swine flu I was a little apprehensive but he turned and said "yeah its all scare tactics" and his collegue next to him had a peek and said "yeah dont listen to that rubbish", so...

I guess as far as I can see some are waking up, not to the extent that David so proudly mentions in every interview as if there is a wave engulfing the minds of every human turning the sleep switch off but then again he gets around geographically and covers a lot of ground ,I dont.

It all depends on where you are and who you are some, will see the change and others may not, I assume though that 10 years ago or at least pre 9-11 we were more ignorant than today

[hadabusa]

For every one person who "wakes up", a hundred other close minded idiots appear.


Of course there isn't a "mass awakening" - take this religious nonsense elsewhere. The way information is accessed has changed greatly which means those who are inclined to ask questions can become much better informed - but there isn't some magical change going on effecting all humanity.

bravo.


besides, most ppl everywhere know theres something fishy about 911.

ppl arent as dumb as "truthers" make them out to be.
the "sheep" know very well usa and who controls it took 911 as excuse/oppurtunity to start wars.

theres many,many university educated ppl with many who take philosophie courses, they all know about platos"all wars are fought for money"

nono, ppl arent stupid, its just nothing new that usa is policing the world.

truth movement offers no solutions, if it would, there wouldnt be a problem.

[bones]

its all a crock there isnt an awakening at all in my eyes.,,, ppl are stupid ignorant and pathetic.

let em get chipped and computerised, the sooner i get cut off from the system the better.

[hadabusa]

Yeah I know the feeling of feeling like an idiot. But time will show people the way. In the next year or two people will be begging you to tell them more. Patience my friend.

seems2be a uk/usa thing.

rest of the world doesnt dismiss 911 ct outright.

[dude111]

let em get chipped and computerised, the sooner i get cut off from the system the better.I hear your frusteration bud!

[haukipesukone]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

Maybe you've argued with the wrong people. Academics are so educated (read indoctrinated) that they can't think, definitely they cannot understand what they can't measure.

Recently I've noticed people around me noticing how many of the things told to us about main stream political reality isn't as they say. I haven't heard much about questioning the physical reality or anything, but I'm seeing some disillusionment. Haven't seen much will to do anything about the Movie we're being played on TV, but I've seen cracks in the artificial reality constructed into the minds of people.

[shed7628]

truth movement offers no solutions, if it would, there wouldnt be a problem.

You cannot change the world; you can only become the change you want to see.

[decode reality]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

There IS an awakening and it's all over the world. The people I see here and in various forums, websites and yes, 'social networking sites' from all parts of the world and from different persuasions are ample evidence. But like all things, it's never going to play itself out as we imagine it, or how we'd like it to be. Feel free to reply.

[decode reality]

Even this election represents something. How many of us have been saying that all the parties are the same? The voting public have just confirmed this. That's a symbolic change.

[thirdwave]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.


I think "Won't" is the right word...

and is different to "Do not" ..

[sloloris]

I just wanna live my life without being called into these shitty agenda's :(

[armoured_amazon]

I just wanna live my life without being called into these shitty agenda's :(

LOL hear hear!

[anthony1965]

I agree with the thread title.

But that's all the more the reason to give yourselves a pat on the back for seeing through the lies despite the tide of ignorance that surrounds us.

And each person who does see through the lies is another incredible success, virtually a miracle.

[camovehia2]

As a Greek I can say that people hear me way way more now, than let's say 6 months ago.
Seriously, only 6 months ago they would straight forward say "sod off you nutcase", whenever I tried to talk about conspiracies. Now, I've had speeches that lasted for more than an hour with people (mostly friends and relatives) hearing me and even participating with their positive/agreeing comments.

Also I've made several new friends that way. E.g. a couple of weeks ago I was in some company of people that I mostly didn't know. Then some1 said that he deleted his FB account because he felt too much spied upon. Then another one said he was thinking of doing the same.

Now these people have never ever read anything about conspiracies. Which gave me the chance to start talking about some things. In the end I had talked for about 2 hours and at least one guy asked me to give him links to read more about the subject.

Oh, and most of all it helps that I've had countless lucid dreams and several OBE-s, because I always start talking about them first, and people get interested straight away.

[ruddypaul]

As a Greek I can say that people hear me way way more now, than let's say 6 months ago.
Seriously, only 6 months ago they would straight forward say "sod off you nutcase", whenever I tried to talk about conspiracies. Now, I've had speeches that lasted for more than an hour with people (mostly friends and relatives) hearing me and even participating with their positive/agreeing comments.

Also I've made several new friends that way. E.g. a couple of weeks ago I was in some company of people that I mostly didn't know. Then some1 said that he deleted his FB account because he felt too much spied upon. Then another one said he was thinking of doing the same.

Now these people have never ever read anything about conspiracies. Which gave me the chance to start talking about some things. In the end I had talked for about 2 hours and at least one guy asked me to give him links to read more about the subject.

Oh, and most of all it helps that I've had countless lucid dreams and several OBE-s, because I always start talking about them first, and people get interested straight away.

well done!

[rubynuts]

It's happening, no worries!!:D and if not with the body, then in the moment of the apparent death.. spiritual awakening is always the death of the individual person/ego anyway.. which was an illusion in the first place:D:D
no ego wants do die:eek:..or so to awaken, that's just the name of the game:)
enjoy the ride folks..it's all happening:D:);)

[armoured_amazon]

It's happening, no worries!!:D and if not with the body, then in the moment of the apparent death.. spiritual awakening is always the death of the individual person/ego anyway.. which was an illusion in the first place:D:D
no ego wants do die:eek:..or so to awaken, that's just the name of the game:)
enjoy the ride folks..it's all happening:D:);)

Yeah, yeah, you wish. :D

[iwant_tobreak_free]

I have been suprised here and there ,however I know one lady who is so completely dependant on "the news" and is so naive that she cannot comprehend that an establishment could lie to her or give her the wrong information, I dont like using the word "brainwashed" but she is the closest thing.

Anyway ,last year I was showing my boss.. who is a regular type of guy -by that I mean his head would explode if you bagan talking about reptiles- I showed him a video on swine flu I was a little apprehensive but he turned and said "yeah its all scare tactics" and his collegue next to him had a peek and said "yeah dont listen to that rubbish", so...

I guess as far as I can see some are waking up, not to the extent that David so proudly mentions in every interview as if there is a wave engulfing the minds of every human turning the sleep switch off but then again he gets around geographically and covers a lot of ground ,I dont.

It all depends on where you are and who you are some, will see the change and others may not, I assume though that 10 years ago or at least pre 9-11 we were more ignorant than today

yeah theres always distrust of the media but it doesnt mean anything. people still follow on and on, and in the end will go along with what is said by the MSM.

Like yeah, its all scare tactics when looked at out of context. But the constant barrage of brainwashing everywhere, even on the sides of buses, breaks peoples resistance down and in the end toeing the line feels good. thats why most of us awake and aware people tend to be in a bad mood alot. we are constantly fighting a war inside ourselves.

[iwant_tobreak_free]

Even this election represents something. How many of us have been saying that all the parties are the same? The voting public have just confirmed this. That's a symbolic change.

Yes, it represents that weeks and weeks of being told that its gonna be a hung parliament leads to a hung parliament.

[xeon]

Also likely the reason why so many seem to be depressed on this forum ~ Cos we are really the minority in this world.

They take in too much, get depressed, feel isolated, and then vomit it out, quit the forum, and then attempt to go back to sleep.....

The truther diet can be bad for your mental and emotional health.....

[catnap]

Well, if you have been awake for 8-9 years and heard so much sheep BS like me, then I think you also would be a little pissed off and the same time try to help them.

The only thing I do is to call them sheep. They would not hesitate to report you to the nearest FEMA camp. They are not so nice either. But their evil is just so much bigger even though they look cute:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2194/2281278741_432725018d.jpg

So its ok to call them derogatory names because they call us names too???? Grow up.

[catnap]

So its ok because people ARE waking up YAY :eek::) but the majority arent DOING anything BOO :o

[time_lord]

Ya alot more ASLEEP IDIOTS than those who have woken up im afraid!

Shhhhs! I'm trying to sleep. ;)

[time_lord]

There IS an awakening and it's all over the world. The people I see here and in various forums, websites and yes, 'social networking sites' from all parts of the world and from different persuasions are ample evidence. But like all things, it's never going to play itself out as we imagine it, or how we'd like it to be. Feel free to reply.

To paraphrase Matthew Delooze, waking up is an ongoing process. We're all at various stages of wakefulness. Some of us wake up only to go back to sleep and end up lucid dreaming.

I can't seem to get past the fear barrier these days but I had out-of-body-experiences in my late teens back in the day. And before that, when I was four, I had what can only be described as an out-of-reality-experience. So I've always looked at the world in a less than orthodox manner. I suppose that explains my love of sci-fi and things out of the ordinary.

When I see staged terrorists attacks, unjust wars, forced vaccinations, the ongoing economic rape of “under-developed” nations by the World Bank and IMF etc etc and those around me are content with discussing David Cameron's smile (seriously), something's definitely wrong.

I don't claim to be an expert on conspiracies or possessing hidden knowledge on esoteric and occult matters. I simply ask questions and am surprised others (co-workers and acquaintances) don't do the same. Just trying to make sense of this crazy mixed up world.

[nectars]

Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types)

If thats your idea of intelligent you need to set your sights higher. Any fool with a half decent memory and some determination can get a "degree" etc. Some of my own freinds of that position(PHd etc) are the most confused and (I hate to say) dumbest people I've ever met.

[hadabusa]

So its ok because people ARE waking up YAY :eek::) but the majority arent DOING anything BOO :o

you nailed it.


i dig your politeness&common sense since quiet a while btw:cool:

[verndewd]

there is a mass awakening but you wont find it in collegiate minds. To a degree they are awakening to higher ideas in sciences but as is their usual motif they follow the corporate mentality out of ego .

Are they breaking through ego? not even remotely and that is the key. Once you are finished with the preconcieved reality that ego defines you can be awakened. You have to bear in mind that college grads are just freshly packaged paradigm who have finished throwing out their innate wonderment for a perspective that should assure them some form of success in the world; only if that fails will they question.

They are as bad as the people that will be left in the inner cities when shit goes south; Insanely co dependant and easilly provoked. Just because they memorized some books doesnt make them less the animal than the gang banger on the street corner.

But I am surprised now and again at the people actually looking for answers that fit instead of the questions the paradigm inists arent answerable.

Persevere in your life and YOUR doctrine; say what is truth as you know it and when the time comes they will make their choices.

The elite thought that colleges would gather the brightest minds to their table, but the brightest minds by chance or choice decided to teach themselves, As they have done for aeons they underestimate consciousness and refuse to acknowledge its permanent superiority to them in creating schools of thought at random that firmly kick the asses of most collegiate minds.

[astrochicken]

well, I'm out at least 3-4 times a month (sometimes more) passing out leaflets and talking directly with people..


Excellent.

[verndewd]

Why does everyone insist on calling everyone "Sheep"?

It implies and insists we hold other people in contempt and does nothing to help anyone or anything, seriously. :mad:

read my thread the enochian method in the get off your knees section. the animal terminology has history and merit.

[verndewd]

The people that are still asleep will need a massive global event to wake them up. Something like a celestial event or Aliens landing. I am sure there will be lots of people in Greece waking up right now. The same will happen will the US dollar collaspes. I hope it is not too late by then.

More people are waking up. You can see it in the emails CNN is getting. People are at least realizing that the money system is a joke and that it will take 3 generations of slaves to pay it back in the US alone.

I understand your frustration of trying to wake people up. I made a simular post a couple of days ago. People think I am gone crazy and I gave up introducing this stuff to people.

Even my dad who is ex Canadian Miltary who spied on Russian satelites in the cold war is beginning to see the truth. He knows 9-11 was rigged and that the money system is controlled by back door government. He just doesn't believe in Illuminati and bloodlines etc. He is also open to Aliens but not too keen on spiritual insights. But it is a start.

This past few years have seen a massive increase in meteors, read the hopi blue star prophecy ;)

I dont really care who wakes up because any who choose to wake up are the ones that are the most important. I dont care if my message is recieved or even liked, I dont care if people get pitch forks out .

Animals make stupid decisions and thats why the darwin awards exist; I have made stupid decisions and it nearly cost me my life and a limb , on 3 occaisions.

All who fail to prepare acknowledge they accept whatever comes even if its death by another flood or foreign troops hired by the rothschilds; That is the ritual method of depopulation. If what you choose to believe leads you to death you have chosen death.

I think my point is one cannot be consumed with the ego play that you promote the truth to those who consider you a wack job. The point is as with the parable of the seeds and the sower, its a percentages game; like it or not we all understand things differently and we need those closest to us to understand first in order to see the message; it needs to be spoken in our own personal language.

its not about the words its about the channelled images that the words describe, even if we all spoke the same language we cannot all communicate ideas and images to each other.

I had a GF when I was 21 that couldnt understand a word I said , and we are both american !!! her dad said the exact same thing to her during one conversation and she understood it. Thats how bad it can be; we dont listen to words we translate what is emoted.

[graflok]

I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) ...


I think I found your problem.

[time_lord]

I think I found your problem.

:o :D

Hindsight's a wonderful thing.

[verndewd]

unfortunately you never know which end youre speaking with in the case of the paradigm parrots :p

(fore end or hind end)

[decode reality]

Also likely the reason why so many seem to be depressed on this forum ~ Cos we are really the minority in this world.

They take in too much, get depressed, feel isolated, and then vomit it out, quit the forum, and then attempt to go back to sleep.....

The truther diet can be bad for your mental and emotional health.....

Yes, it can be. Sometimes it's just good to know that you know, and not focus on it all the time. I'm glad to be informed and always searching but there's been times when I've been so obsessive about it that it's made me lose friends. It's not the INFO that does it, it's my response and expressing it.

[time_lord]

Yes, it can be. Sometimes it's just good to know that you know, and not focus on it all the time. I'm glad to be informed and always searching but there's been times when I've been so obsessive about it that it's made me lose friends. It's not the INFO that does it, it's my response and expressing it.

Exactly.

[verndewd]

Can anyone tell me what the point of wanting everyone to wake up is?

Why is that such a drive? Sure I have been there but you cant save the world you can only save you. Maybe youd all save yourselves alot more trouble if youd just save yourself.

If you go throwing your doctrine in peoples faces how do you expect them to respond? The ego paradigm is designed to reject everything outside the box.

I gave up on trying to grab people, I know what I need to do and for any that can take my doctrine and use it to embellish theirs I applaud and welcome them.

If someone doesnt want to learn , if the fields are barren and full of rocks so be it. The totality of the realization in the world must be prefaced by great human sacrifice.

Not realizing the sacrfice has been paid by former generations means it must be an even greater sacrifice since we dont insist on the ultimate honoring of those whos sacrfice is already done.

paradigm is subconciously ordered to create willing huimans to the altar who by choice refuse greater knowledge and accept knowledge that makes them subconciously willing to be sacrificed.

Good luck changing that.

[hadabusa]

I think I found your problem.

cmon, its stupid to say such a thing.

i swear all uni ppl i know are openminded, but thats just switzerland,i dont know about rest.

[decode reality]

To paraphrase Matthew Delooze, waking up is an ongoing process. We're all at various stages of wakefulness. Some of us wake up only to go back to sleep and end up lucid dreaming.

I can't seem to get past the fear barrier these days but I had out-of-body-experiences in my late teens back in the day. And before that, when I was four, I had what can only be described as an out-of-reality-experience. So I've always looked at the world in a less than orthodox manner. I suppose that explains my love of sci-fi and things out of the ordinary.

When I see staged terrorists attacks, unjust wars, forced vaccinations, the ongoing economic rape of “under-developed” nations by the World Bank and IMF etc etc and those around me are content with discussing David Cameron's smile (seriously), something's definitely wrong.

I don't claim to be an expert on conspiracies or possessing hidden knowledge on esoteric and occult matters. I simply ask questions and am surprised others (co-workers and acquaintances) don't do the same. Just trying to make sense of this crazy mixed up world.

The thing to do, I'll suggest, is to work on getting your own life together. Which you may well be doing. Think about what you can do for yourself. THEN you might have the possibility of influencing others. I have 500 friends on facebook (mainly work related)...I'd say that most of them don't want to hear anything I've got to say on 'truther issues'. It's not their motivation, it's not why they got out of bed. Bear with people, cos remember at one time you might have been the same. :)

[verndewd]

When I really started breaking through the ego in 97 I was pretty mad about how wed been duped, I mean I knew it since I was 11 but kept going back to sleep and fearing loosing my ego.

But in 97 after a few major psychadelic trips it all came back and then some. As I was focusing on passing through the ego at that time.

We need to get really accomplished at our own doctrines and ministries to help others avoid that anger. Save yourself and you may save others.

[ronisron]

Not everbody will smarten up. It's not what I wish for, but it's something I believe. There are however, a bunch of people on the precipice of discovery right now, and good for them. A lot of people simply aren't inclined to ask the right questions, let alone search for any answers or deeper meaning. They don't care, they're doing their best to maintain the ever changing status quo.

People who know, and don't share the wealth are as bad as anyone that they are calling a sheep. Revelling in their belief of exclusivity as an "awakened" individual......

[kacilee123]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

they think youve lost the plot, and you have, i ditched my storyline also. now im free lance .writting my own script.

[armoured_amazon]

Can anyone tell me what the point of wanting everyone to wake up is?

Why is that such a drive? Sure I have been there but you cant save the world you can only save you. Maybe youd all save yourselves alot more trouble if youd just save yourself.

If you go throwing your doctrine in peoples faces how do you expect them to respond? The ego paradigm is designed to reject everything outside the box.

I gave up on trying to grab people, I know what I need to do and for any that can take my doctrine and use it to embellish theirs I applaud and welcome them.

If someone doesnt want to learn , if the fields are barren and full of rocks so be it. The totality of the realization in the world must be prefaced by great human sacrifice.

Not realizing the sacrfice has been paid by former generations means it must be an even greater sacrifice since we dont insist on the ultimate honoring of those whos sacrfice is already done.

paradigm is subconciously ordered to create willing huimans to the altar who by choice refuse greater knowledge and accept knowledge that makes them subconciously willing to be sacrificed.

Good luck changing that.

This is about YHWH's Word, but regardless of spiritual beliefs, I think it can apply to what we're talking about in this thread, about people not waking up to the 'invisible' prison we're in (I marked 'invisible' because I can freakin' well see it! :) )

Mark 4
The Parable of the Sower
1Again Jesus began to teach by the lake. The crowd that gathered around him was so large that he got into a boat and sat in it out on the lake, while all the people were along the shore at the water's edge. 2He taught them many things by parables, and in his teaching said: 3"Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear grain. 8Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, multiplying thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times."

9Then Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

13Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14The farmer sows the word. 15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown."

[agrael]

" There is no mass awakening".
It is, already it thought i was going mad, yet i saw several people going - off the proper line. I dont want to give examples not to offened, yet i saw people "waking up" and its ok.

WAKING UP - is to know and accept yourself with the good and bad, and then when u "localize" yourself with the proper coordonates and accept the present reality, u can choose where to head to.

ppl are waking up, i agree very much, sry i messed the thread with the countrary, but i feel the need to ask, why these forums that are about EVOLUTION have either users either threads that send and influence and sugeest into the other direction. wasnt these forums able to sustain ppl to evolve with "Sharing" information.? like own researches and own knowledge to center all user's information into 1 WIKI-DavidIcke-Pedia? about everything.

EDIT : Honestly, i ask admins or moderators, to well, accept threads but yet again its strange . I vote ( if there is a pool soon enogh for the forums here) to actually put and end to "Evil"threads, though its free opinion, i think they deserve a special place as the Funny Thread Page.
:) . some1 hates me now after reading this ;)

[verndewd]

This is about YHWH's Word, but regardless of spiritual beliefs, I think it can apply to what we're talking about in this thread, about people not waking up to the 'invisible' prison we're in (I marked 'invisible' because I can freakin' well see it! :) )

I dont do religion i simply use tools that people can understand

[verndewd]

"

WAKING UP - is to know and accept yourself with the good and bad, and then when u "localize" yourself with the proper coordonates and accept the present reality, u can choose where to head to.



:confused:
are you joking?

waking up is step by step, first you realize that you have questions/ideas the establishment doesnt recognize. Thats why people refuse to acknowledge their quantum entanglement gifts so called psychic or intuitive abilities.

Something has to spur the first step, be it curiosity or tradgedy. being realized is realizing that you are infinite potential and the ego is just a paradigm.

[tonytake2]

The worst people to try and convince about a world beyond a five sense reality and a elite conspiracy are so called intellectuals i.e University graduates. The educational system has rewarded these linear systemic non intuative thinker 'academics' and thus they are dogmatic about their opinion and what can and cannot be proved.
So fuck em, keep the faith, when it all turns to rat shit they will be forced to face the unpleasant truth which they don't have the balls to face at the moment, because most people are cowards and its easier to live in ignorance, unless you suffer from cognitive dissenence.
Enjoy the current dissolution of the system, these are very big times...

[sh3lly]

I don't think there is or will be any kind of mass awakening. It seems to be the way it is here on earth in third density. If anything, those who TRY and awaken will simply die or leave their physical body for another level via disease or earth changes or however... not sure how it will happen or if it will simply happen whenever you decide it's your time...

[armoured_amazon]

I dont do religion i simply use tools that people can understand

I used a simple tool. You are the stony ground, clearly.

[verndewd]

lol stony ground? thats a new expression to me. :D

[agrael]

:confused:
are you joking?

waking up is step by step, first you realize that you have questions/ideas the establishment doesnt recognize. Thats why people refuse to acknowledge their quantum entanglement gifts so called psychic or intuitive abilities.

Something has to spur the first step, be it curiosity or tradgedy. being realized is realizing that you are infinite potential and the ego is just a paradigm.

you are wrong, i apologize.

"I don't think there is or will be any kind of mass awakening. It seems to be the way it is here on earth in third density. If anything, those who TRY and awaken will simply die or leave their physical body for another level via disease or earth changes or however... not sure how it will happen or if it will simply happen whenever you decide it's your time... ""

Earth is 3d dimension , SPACE is 4th Dimension, Its TIME.


I know what i know, i know what i know. its better to do this : question Universe, question yourself . ask and you shall recive. Everything is based on subconcius basis, beliefs and thins u are sure about.

myself i have managed to see some1 in other dimension(human), now. who will belive that? curse no1, or just those that have experienced this.

Even these forms of discusion is for a porpose, but please dont rush into raging the truth. think. and PLEASE all, aknowledge the Cosmic Inteligence and just , ASK. ask for whatever...

[totalrecall]

Research these days is reading a book and copying what someone else has said.
Many of us are not in a position to do our research unless we are scientists or have inside information to banks,bilderburg groups etc.


Not really for me. For the most part (but not always) it's more like reading a book or hearing a scientist talk and having that information agree with what I had already been thinking or kind of knew(ish).

I mean take the last David Icke book. On the conspiratorial side of things, he only brought two small pieces of information of which I hadn't heard before. Everything else I knew about. The first two chapters on the nature of reality was semi-known to me. It was only after reading it that I thought that I already knew that but it has been put down on paper.

It's more of a reinforcement of remembering for lack of a better expression. It pushes what you already knew to the surface of your consciousness.

One big new recent info for me was the cloning situation: http://www.peterdavidbeter.com/ audio files 45 to 47.

I knew they had participated in cloning as logic brought me there, but I hadn't thought through the true extent and application of the technology.

Sometimes our opinions are wrong, but they are usually shown the light so to speak.

[verndewd]

you are wrong, i apologize.

"I don't think there is or will be any kind of mass awakening. It seems to be the way it is here on earth in third density. If anything, those who TRY and awaken will simply die or leave their physical body for another level via disease or earth changes or however... not sure how it will happen or if it will simply happen whenever you decide it's your time... ""

Earth is 3d dimension , SPACE is 4th Dimension, Its TIME.


I know what i know, i know what i know. its better to do this : question Universe, question yourself . ask and you shall recive. Everything is based on subconcius basis, beliefs and thins u are sure about.

myself i have managed to see some1 in other dimension(human), now. who will belive that? curse no1, or just those that have experienced this.

Even these forms of discusion is for a porpose, but please dont rush into raging the truth. think. and PLEASE all, aknowledge the Cosmic Inteligence and just , ASK. ask for whatever...



Hardly
the elements of atoms are infinitely variable and constructed of the creation of two or more consciousness in the collective, so the zero point field of an atom is infinite potential hence the humans ability to realize it.

As to your reply in bulk ; WTF are you trying to say?

[revolutionary_jam]

We need to escape this prison planet one by one, people have to stop waiting for things like "mass awakenings" forget about it, concentrate on becoming kind, warm and loving so you can vibrate yourself out of here

the only battle is between you and yourself

[revolutionary_jam]

The truth is your right sometimes rights have to be earned.

[verndewd]

sometimes rights have to be earned.

hahahaha everything must be earned.:D

[pegcityevolve]

There is a mass awakening. It happens in intervals, so do not give up. College and uni people are some of the most right-brain-dense (not an insult, as we all have both sides of our brain :)) people out there so it will hit them later on. Remember it is an energetic shift, and everything is ENERGY. David Icke going around planting new thought (ENERGY) and then all the others doing the same. All this new info on the internet equals new energy. Tonnes of new energy (from the origins of storms; the black hole and into our star, which will probably over-ride the moon's influence) will no doubt cause quantum friction (con-fusion, apathy, half-truths) until it balances.

Don't worry I came to this point also, I too thought there is no awakening, but it makes sense in my upper-right brain that it is happening and will complete.

[verndewd]

There is a mass awakening. It happens in intervals, so do not give up. College and uni people are some of the most right-brain-dense people out there so it will hit them later on. Remember it is an energetic shift, and everything is ENERGY. David Icke going around planting new thought (ENERGY) and then all the others doing the same. All this new info on the internet equals new energy. Tonnes of new energy (from the origins of storms; the black hole and into our star, which will probably over-ride the moon's influence) will no doubt cause quantum friction (con-fusion, apathy, half-truths) until it balances.

Don't worry I came to this point also, I too thought there is no awakening, but it makes sense in my upper-right brain that it will happen.

well said; its come a long way from the religious psycho dogmas and its getting faster.

[maddyr]

yeah i know how you feel, its like its a complete waste of time, they are so opionated.......they dont, cant, wont listen......or debate fairly, sad fuckers.......

[totalrecall]

they think youve lost the plot, and you have, i ditched my storyline also. now im free lance .writting my own script.

Nice. Really nice.

[jakemaverick]

Keep in mind some people are very aware but sort of 'afraid' to speak up if you know what I mean. Some believe they may be seen as 'crazy, 'person who needs to get out more', etc. so they just keep low-profile and take each day as it comes. Not everybody likes the attention.

but when u summon the 'courage' to start speaking up they do to you what they did to me....<sig>

[ethan_allen]

We are alone...

Anyone who sees it differently hasn't taken a look around them lately. We've always been outnumbered, and always will. I wouldn't have it any other way.

We come from a long line of pioneers, rebels, and warriors. Live up to the lineage, oh brothers and sisters.

[verndewd]

more like , revel in the bloodlines rebellious upstarts as most of us can do the math are that way because of dna linkage to the sheep lords.

Problem is we arent aware enough to disagree in a manner that they can take seriously. Best route is sow seeds and continue learning. Thats the most dangerous route.

[1964]

i do hold people in contempt, if theyre not willing to research and take the time to understand how the world works then they are a sheep.

We're all sheep. We all follow someone. You, for example, you're only following the author(s) of your research materials. You do your own research, but it's not your own information you're researching. In that case, you'd have no need to do any research. Instead, you do your research, and whoever you agree with, that's the person (or people) that you follow. When you call others sheep, and claim that you're not one, then you're saying you're the original author of all sources of information you've chosen to follow. There's nothing wrong with calling yourself a sheep - it's merely a metaphor. The real issue is which shepherd(s) you choose to follow.

[verndewd]

We're all sheep. We all follow someone. You, for example, you're only following the author(s) of your research materials. You do your own research, but it's not your own information you're researching. In that case, you'd have no need to do any research. Instead, you do your research, and whoever you agree with, that's the person (or people) that you follow. When you call others sheep, and claim that you're not one, then you're saying you're the original author of all sources of information you've chosen to follow. There's nothing wrong with calling yourself a sheep - it's merely a metaphor. The real issue is which shepherd(s) you choose to follow.

thats rediculous in my honest opinion, and counter intuitive to what we are atomically/ quantum physically. you sound dogmatic through the entire post; a sort of pre packaged nemesis to freedom of thought.

There is one true shepherd, infinite creation, and that we all follow to become co creators infinitely; thats is called equality, that is what I AM.

[1964]

thats rediculous in my honest opinion, and counter intuitive to what we are atomically/ quantum physically. you sound dogmatic through the entire post; a sort of pre packaged nemesis to freedom of thought.

There is one true shepherd, infinite creation, and that we all follow to become co creators infinitely; thats is called equality, that is what I AM.

You only believe what you believe because you first read it, or heard it, from someone else. What you've said in your post, I've heard the identical thing repeated over and over again in this forum. So unless you're going to claim you're the original author of these ideas, then I have to believe you followed someone in order to get to where you are.

[tracker]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

People do not realise that NATURE programs our minds to survive with the least resistance possible .
hence why people generally like to have things done for them ( technology ) and why they look up to gods to take the blame for their own mistakes etc ( polotitions etc )

same goes with life , why bother asking about the nature of reality ?
because it would take up too much energy and time , and also might mean that those who ask might have to do something about the world they live in

thus

not asking and not bothering

gives the path of least resistance .

IE , it is actually human nature not to ask or do anything about it , let others do it .

but you are right

FKEM !

let them have their life , we have our own .

but then , why bother trying to wake them up ?
its only WAISTING pour precouse time and energy .

better to use that energy for our self .

:cool:

[decode reality]

This is about YHWH's Word, but regardless of spiritual beliefs, I think it can apply to what we're talking about in this thread, about people not waking up to the 'invisible' prison we're in (I marked 'invisible' because I can freakin' well see it! :) )

Yes, I hear you there (the quoted passage) and it's definitely applicable.

[whiteknightd]

thats rediculous in my honest opinion, and counter intuitive to what we are atomically/ quantum physically. you sound dogmatic through the entire post; a sort of pre packaged nemesis to freedom of thought.

There is one true shepherd, infinite creation, and that we all follow to become co creators infinitely; thats is called equality, that is what I AM.

all i do is seek the truth...just when i think i have it down, i end up having another epiphany. as long as we're absorbing as much information as possible and keeping our minds open so that we may discern what we deem as "truth" (because it logically makes sense to us), we are progressing.

[the_real_macoy]

We're all sheep. We all follow someone. You, for example, you're only following the author(s) of your research materials. You do your own research, but it's not your own information you're researching. In that case, you'd have no need to do any research. Instead, you do your research, and whoever you agree with, that's the person (or people) that you follow. When you call others sheep, and claim that you're not one, then you're saying you're the original author of all sources of information you've chosen to follow. There's nothing wrong with calling yourself a sheep - it's merely a metaphor. The real issue is which shepherd(s) you choose to follow.

Watching the election shenanigens there is a definite sense of confusion created by the process, that comes out of the constant muck rakeing, blame and shirking of responsibility of people like Gordon Brown who deny their hand in causing the problems in the first place. The result is an over all sense that we have no control and resignation that we have no power over what goes on: the direction of the events - like it's out of our hands.

So what's behind the political system is controlling us out of fear and it uses the 3 party system to impose that on us.

We all have a paymaster as we all need money, we all have to have a source of that money and thus we all rely on a paymaster i.e. employer etc they effectively control our lives. Because in this society as it is "No Money - No life!" That's what the credit crunch is all about and now the violence in Greece etc - it is sending out a message that our peace is under threat because of the Monetery System that has been abused and the result is massive debt that is harming our well being.

There is no mass awakening because people are afraid - fear controls people and keeps them in their place. When our basic needs of survival are threatened or seem to be threatened then "awakening" is also damaged as it's only when your basic survival needs are met that you can really cope with other realities - but as I write that I can already hear the objections to what I'm saying here!:eek:

[camovehia2]

Reading every single reply in this topic I can come only to one conclusion:
The subject is 100% subjective (orly? :P), so everyone has their own truth about it - and thus they are RIGHT to agree or disagree with everyone else.

But even though everyone is unique, I will still say my opinion to everyone who says "fuck the sheeple and do whatever you like": That's SO selfish!!

[armoured_amazon]

Reading every single reply in this topic I can come only to one conclusion:
The subject is 100% subjective (orly? :P), so everyone has their own truth about it - and thus they are RIGHT to agree or disagree with everyone else.

But even though everyone is unique, I will still say my opinion to everyone who says "fuck the sheeple and do whatever you like": That's SO selfish!!

Nothing wrong with being selfish from time to time. Before you can help anyone else you have to help yourself.

[rainbowdrop]

Dont lose hope guys,people are awakening everyday,I have 2 boys aged 18 & 20 who thought I was nuts a few months ago when I spoke about chemtrails,nwo ect,yet now they are awake & their telling all their friends at college ect & plastering it all over their facebook pages.So PLEASE dont give up,we knew this fight wasn't going to be easy or quick.I get times when I think whats the point & then a little voice inside shouts,your freedom,health & wellbeing is well worth fighting for.Dont give up,thats exactly what they want.xxx

[mark1963]

Dont lose hope guys,people are awakening everyday,I have 2 boys aged 18 & 20 who thought I was nuts a few months ago when I spoke about chemtrails,nwo ect,yet now they are awake & their telling all their friends at college ect & plastering it all over their facebook pages.So PLEASE dont give up,we knew this fight wasn't going to be easy or quick.I get times when I think whats the point & then a little voice inside shouts,your freedom,health & wellbeing is well worth fighting for.Dont give up,thats exactly what they want.xxx

There are lot's of folk quietly grumbling and telling others. I hear it from friends who a year ago said I was nuts.

[itsallinus]

You only believe what you believe because you first read it, or heard it, from someone else. What you've said in your post, I've heard the identical thing repeated over and over again in this forum. So unless you're going to claim you're the original author of these ideas, then I have to believe you followed someone in order to get to where you are.

Your so insightful. How did you get such awareness to know how someone else got to where they are now? Personally, though I believe I speak for us all, I always knew everything I know now but only when I was guided by my higher self to material that would instantly resonate within me, was I able to remember. It may seem like new information but the more you think deep about it the more you realize you actually did always know, in the back of your mind.

The original authors of all ideas, all thoughts, was consciousness. Fortunately, it shares ;):D

[armoured_amazon]

There are lot's of folk quietly grumbling and telling others. I hear it from friends who a year ago said I was nuts.

I bet they neglect to remember mocking you!

[rainbowdrop]

All I know is that something inside me will not let me give up,there are times when I wish I was still asleep,but I cant give up.Ive been called a nutter by people at work,but I know I'm sane & very awake.I'll carry on grumbling along because I know for once in my life its the right thing to do.xxx

[hadabusa]

There are lot's of folk quietly grumbling and telling others. I hear it from friends who a year ago said I was nuts.

well,conspiracys aside, i think you ARE nuts.

try2not take ofence, i couldnt say it nicer.

[verndewd]

There are lot's of folk quietly grumbling and telling others. I hear it from friends who a year ago said I was nuts.

hahahaha navigated those waters myself

[rainbowdrop]

I think we've all been there.People are scared of what they don't understand, they automatically label you a nutter so they don't have to listen to what you have to say.xxx

[verndewd]

I think we've all been there.People are scared of what they don't understand, they automatically label you a nutter so they don't have to listen to what you have to say.xxx

as I stated in the enochian method partly and in other conversations partly, one of the ritual methods of the elite is based on that, those who choose what leads to death choose death. The elite have that all wrapped up and people offer themselves willingly like animals.

The problem with getting bent on others refusals is that it makes the ego feel as if it cannot create, so the disturbance isnt because the other people its due to fact not creating informed people via the vessal.

As with any other persuit , focus on the willing and the people who are riding the fence. I could talk about how religion is nothing all day , but who is there to recieve the seed?

I say let them choose, the meal is waiting if you refuse it and starve that is your choice. Maybe I am not in such a hurry to create equals if I should be able to use groups of ignorance in the future to accomplish things they wouldnt think of.:D

[subl1minal]

Can anyone tell me what the point of wanting everyone to wake up is?

Why is that such a drive? Sure I have been there but you cant save the world you can only save you. Maybe youd all save yourselves alot more trouble if youd just save yourself.

If you go throwing your doctrine in peoples faces how do you expect them to respond? The ego paradigm is designed to reject everything outside the box.

I gave up on trying to grab people, I know what I need to do and for any that can take my doctrine and use it to embellish theirs I applaud and welcome them.

If someone doesnt want to learn , if the fields are barren and full of rocks so be it. The totality of the realization in the world must be prefaced by great human sacrifice.

Not realizing the sacrfice has been paid by former generations means it must be an even greater sacrifice since we dont insist on the ultimate honoring of those whos sacrfice is already done.

paradigm is subconciously ordered to create willing huimans to the altar who by choice refuse greater knowledge and accept knowledge that makes them subconciously willing to be sacrificed.

Good luck changing that.

Couldn't agree more. You can't go outside, you have to go from within and realise who you are, connect to your higher self. Because we're all one, even fuckin' Jesus spoke of that (if he existed or not) Yet Christians would have you think otherwise.

Just because your friends think you're a whack job and you haven't got any one close to talk to about this stuff. Doesn't mean there isn't a mass awakening, there is and I think the thousands of 'guests' who view this forum board every single day are proof of that.

[armoured_amazon]

Couldn't agree more. You can't go outside, you have to go from within and realise who you are, connect to your higher self. Because we're all one, even fuckin' Jesus spoke of that (if he existed or not) Yet Christians would have you think otherwise.

Just because your friends think you're a whack job and you haven't got any one close to talk to about this stuff. Doesn't mean there isn't a mass awakening, there is and I think the thousands of 'guests' who view this forum board every single day are proof of that.

Yeah, but it sucks that the people secretly questioning stuff are the very same ones calling us whackos.

[subl1minal]

Yeah, but it sucks that the people secretly questioning stuff are the very same ones calling us whackos.

I know, I agree, nothing worse than when you talk to someone about this and then they just throw the negatives out there and try to shoot you down. It's like they suck the energy out of you!

But you know it's because they know themselves deep down that you're right and they don't want to face it.

[armoured_amazon]

I know, I agree, nothing worse than when you talk to someone about this and then they just throw the negatives out there and try to shoot you down. It's like they suck the energy out of you!

But you know it's because they know themselves deep down that you're right and they don't want to face it.

I reckon so. :)

[trappedinameatsuit]

Almine: How Masters can Live Among the World - YouTube

[verndewd]

Yeah, but it sucks that the people secretly questioning stuff are the very same ones calling us whackos.

I had an experience with one fellow who ranted and raved about how crazy and wrong we are , so I said go read the laws I have read , read the history I have read and prove me wrong or shut the hell up.

He shut the hell up; I guess he realized he couldnt argue point by point. :D

[revolutionary_jam]

We're all sheep. We all follow someone. You, for example, you're only following the author(s) of your research materials. You do your own research, but it's not your own information you're researching. In that case, you'd have no need to do any research. Instead, you do your research, and whoever you agree with, that's the person (or people) that you follow. When you call others sheep, and claim that you're not one, then you're saying you're the original author of all sources of information you've chosen to follow. There's nothing wrong with calling yourself a sheep - it's merely a metaphor. The real issue is which shepherd(s) you choose to follow.thats rediculous in my honest opinion, and counter intuitive to what we are atomically/ quantum physically. you sound dogmatic through the entire post; a sort of pre packaged nemesis to freedom of thought.

There is one true shepherd, infinite creation, and that we all follow to become co creators infinitely; thats is called equality, that is what I AM.


you waste time and energy fighting with one another, when the ral fight is with yourselves.

[verndewd]

you waste time and energy fighting with one another, when the ral fight is with yourselves.

there was ever only one accuser :D

as to the fighting with and battle of the self its all the same thing :rolleyes: But since you dont know that yet we can forgive your blind accusations.

Plato didnt engage in the forums just to jerk his ego off. This reality requires argument to evolve.

[simonb1]

I heard somewhere that it can be detrimental to shake someone from a deep sleep; this may explain why the spiritual awakening within us all is happening so slowly with little nudges here and there, at least this is how I experience it.

For some reason when reading this thread I kept thinking about that old phrase from the matrix, where the old lady sais to Neo:

There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

I can’t think of a relevant meaning to that here off the top of my head, it’s what my gut instinct was saying and I always trust in that.:)

[verndewd]

I heard somewhere that it can be detrimental to shake someone from a deep sleep; this may explain why the spiritual awakening within us all is happening so slowly with little nudges here and there, at least this is how I experience it.

For some reason when reading this thread I kept thinking about that old phrase from the matrix, where the old lady sais to Neo:

There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

I can’t think of a relevant meaning to that here off the top of my head, it’s what my gut instinct was saying and I always trust in that.:)

good thoughts; Indeed walking the path seems confining but in reality the more knowing you have the less confining the path is to walk.

Its still difficult to walk; we have so many pet desires that seem to entertain us and seem as if theyd make us less human if we got rid of them, when truly we just need to redefine them to align them to the path.

The infinite has a very intimate way with each of us, by the above mentioned we are able to become truely unique beings and illumine shards of the infinite in ways that could astound us.

[zone2012]

"There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."

Yes, I agree 100%! :)
In my eyes a awakening is happening. But as I said before, don't waste time looking around what other people are doing, start being the change you want to see. You will be so busy changing things in your conditioned life, that you won't have time thinking about a mass awakening. Doese it really matter if there is one?
We only live "NOW". Not one sec. in the future, or past.
So "NOW" is the time to walk the path. What's the prize? No idea, and I don't care. It's still worth it, because it's also the road to my true self.

[subl1minal]

"There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."

Yes, I agree 100%! :)
In my eyes a awakening is happening. But as I said before, don't waste time looking around what other people are doing, start being the change you want to see. You will be so busy changing things in your conditioned life, that you won't have time thinking about a mass awakening. Doese it really matter if there is one?
We only live "NOW". Not one sec. in the future, or past.
So "NOW" is the time to walk the path. What's the prize? No idea, and I don't care. It's still worth it, because it's also the road to my true self.

1+

[dngrs]

+1
something is happening and those who are inclined to change will change and those who aren't .. probably will be soon.

[princessofwands]

"there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."

yes, i agree 100%! :)
in my eyes a awakening is happening. But as i said before, don't waste time looking around what other people are doing, start being the change you want to see. You will be so busy changing things in your conditioned life, that you won't have time thinking about a mass awakening. Doese it really matter if there is one?
We only live "now". Not one sec. In the future, or past.
So "now" is the time to walk the path. What's the prize? No idea, and i don't care. It's still worth it, because it's also the road to my true self.

yes!

[lee13]

Good to see someone who feels like I do..I find people only listen when you mention CASH, INFLATION, TAX. When you start talking about real issues like EXTINCTION, WW3, THE GLOBAL ELITE people shut down and use their sense of humour to ridicule you. It is fine taking things a step at a time. However time is running out. I totally empathise with you. Makes you feel like you want to do something silly. Maybe that is the answer. Back to square one then. WHAT IS THE ANSWER? I want to fight now. Sick to the back teeth of it

[rubynuts]

"There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."

Yes, I agree 100%! :)
In my eyes a awakening is happening. But as I said before, don't waste time looking around what other people are doing, start being the change you want to see. You will be so busy changing things in your conditioned life, that you won't have time thinking about a mass awakening. Doese it really matter if there is one?
We only live "NOW". Not one sec. in the future, or past.
So "NOW" is the time to walk the path. What's the prize? No idea, and I don't care. It's still worth it, because it's also the road to my true self.

+1
well said:)

the "pathless path" that happens only NOW. And all that is, is created in that NOW, also the so called past and future.
When your world changes, the world changes. And the presence can really be a paradice or a hell.. depends who is looking, the individual or the whole.
In fact, who cares? who is there to care? ..only "the ego" cares..

[subl1minal]

+1
well said:)

the "pathless path" that happens only NOW. And all that is, is created in that NOW, also the so called past and future.
When your world changes, the world changes. And the presence can really be a paradice or a hell.. depends who is looking, the individual or the whole.
In fact, who cares? who is there to care? ..only "the ego" cares..

Aye Ruby!

[ladygoogoo]

The message I keep seeing is "critical mass" of consciousness awakening,
the tipping point.
It will get worse before it gets better and we are seeing that.

[freegionnaire]

"There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."

Yes, I agree 100%! :)
In my eyes a awakening is happening. But as I said before, don't waste time looking around what other people are doing, start being the change you want to see. You will be so busy changing things in your conditioned life, that you won't have time thinking about a mass awakening. Doese it really matter if there is one?
We only live "NOW". Not one sec. in the future, or past.
So "NOW" is the time to walk the path. What's the prize? No idea, and I don't care. It's still worth it, because it's also the road to my true self.

*applause*

Don't watch what they are doing, watch what you are doing :)

[rubynuts]

Aye Ruby!

;)

[zone2012]

Rubynuts:In fact, who cares? who is there to care? ..only "the ego" cares..

:D Good one!
Funny thing is, the ego always want's something in return. Want's to gain something, reach a goal, looking for profit. It's never satisfied for long.
To realize our true nature, frees us from the illusion we must seek happiness, and fulfillment outside from us. If we realize NOW, not as a concept or thought, but as true experience, we will see that happiness and fulfillment is always there within us.
That's also the place where true change happens.
Wish all a enhanced experience in this interesting time. :)

[revolutionary_jam]

there was ever only one accuser :D

as to the fighting with and battle of the self its all the same thing :rolleyes: But since you dont know that yet we can forgive your blind accusations.

Plato didnt engage in the forums just to jerk his ego off. This reality requires argument to evolve.

nor did I, and to the mindful what I'm saying would be perfectly evident
to call me an accuser belies your narrow-mindedness, I didn't write more than I did because in doing so I don not practice what I preach, see me as I enter into conflict?

no, I explained myself here for your benefit (though I suspect it will fall on deaf ears) but I wont respond to this line of conversation any more because I am not the "one accuser" that you mistake me for, you are.

[verndewd]

nor did I, and to the mindful what I'm saying would be perfectly evident
to call me an accuser belies your narrow-mindedness, I didn't write more than I did because in doing so I don not practice what I preach, see me as I enter into conflict?

no, I explained myself here for your benefit (though I suspect it will fall on deaf ears) but I wont respond to this line of conversation any more because I am not the "one accuser" that you mistake me for, you are.

Originally Posted by revolutionary_jam
you waste time and energy fighting with one another, when the ral fight is with yourselves.

I was cautioning not calling ;)

The arguments are necessary to create a meaningful dialogue in the future the more we aregue now the more we know and the less we argue later.

[revolutionary_jam]

I was cautioning not calling ;)

The arguments are necessary to create a meaningful dialogue in the future the more we aregue now the more we know and the less we argue later.

i'm not sure, we argue from our ego not our knowing
we may discuss to learn, but whenever you argue you are emotionally invested in your opinion and therefore it is harder than it should be to be moved
it is also draining, if you're mindful you will feel it clearly

energy can be directed to healing or to creating conflict
sail with the wind not into, it's an art we can all do with perfecting

[verndewd]

i'm not sure, we argue from our ego not our knowing
we may discuss to learn, but whenever you argue you are emotionally invested in your opinion and therefore it is harder than it should be to be moved
it is also draining, if you're mindful you will feel it clearly

energy can be directed to healing or to creating conflict
sail with the wind not into, it's an art we can all do with perfecting

more or less yeah, its a process to realization.

[revolutionary_jam]

more or less yeah, its a process to realization.so you wish to learn how not to argue by arguing?

[verndewd]

so you wish to learn how not to argue by arguing?

No thats not what I am saying but that is funny :D

We argue when we dont understand each other I have had a few discussions as of late where we realized we were arguing over semantics but having the same ideas , hence the arguments ceased.

[revolutionary_jam]

I suggest you take the shortcut and discuss your feelings rather than arguing I think you will find it far more effecacious

seek to understand, then be understood

[verndewd]

I suggest you take the shortcut and discuss your feelings rather than arguing I think you will find it far more effecacious

seek to understand, then be understood

why regurgitate anothers path when its on the individual to create his own? I suggest weighing synergy in realistic terms and applying what comes from it.

[revolutionary_jam]

everyone has a piece of the jigsaw,

there is no path to awakening, awakening is the path

[verndewd]

everyone has a piece of the jigsaw,

there is no path to awakening, awakening is the path

Thats what I have said for several decades or better

[rubynuts]

Rubynuts:In fact, who cares? who is there to care? ..only "the ego" cares..

:D Good one!
Funny thing is, the ego always want's something in return. Want's to gain something, reach a goal, looking for profit. It's never satisfied for long.
To realize our true nature, frees us from the illusion we must seek happiness, and fulfillment outside from us. If we realize NOW, not as a concept or thought, but as true experience, we will see that happiness and fulfillment is always there within us.
That's also the place where true change happens.
Wish all a enhanced experience in this interesting time. :)

:) yeah sis/bro!! when it's realized the ego still appears but it's not taken so seriously, there is no identification to it so it doesen't have power.. and in truth it doesent really even exist, or never did:D
yes, all is accepted AS IT IS and even in the moment of sadness or another "negative" emotion or thought also that is seen as just expression/activity of the moment and nothing wrong with it, no-one to suffer about it..it's all just perfect as it is. And yet it never stops to get more clear, not even for the "awaken one", every moment is the master:)
wow, life is so amazing!!:):):)

[zone2012]

rubynuts:wow, life is so amazing!!

Yes, it is :)

[eternal1stparty]

The mass awakening = maybe 5% of people fully waking up.


methinks.

[blackstar76]

Like I said give it time. Events soon to come will awaken more people. Look how many people woke up since 9-11. That was a big mistake on TPTB part. Time will awaken people. I just hope they pull of more stupid 9-11 shit so more people can see what is going on. IT will be kinda late to awaken when people get up in the morning and realize that their money is useless.

[ashaffe]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.
I know it looks disheartening now but mass planetary change takes time. I actually think more people are awake than we realize because the media gives a skewed picture of public opinion and public mode. I think the main problem with the public right now is that they are not organized and mobolized. There is no clear direction for action in the "truth movement" right now. That is why I am a member of the Zeitgeist Movement. They have a clear path for realistic change.

Zeitgeist Movement (http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com)

My Blog (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=523038426)

http://www.youtube.com/user/a1d4a1m5

[ufochick]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

You started with the most programmed in the box people. Try talking to people that are not so engrained in the matrix.

[trauma]

I'm sorry, but there isn't. Over the last week or so I've argued with seemingly “intelligent” people, (university grads and student-types) over the idea of 9/11 being an inside job (nine years and counting), political parties being nothing but paid fronts for the banking elite etc etc. They just won't except it, never mind the mind-blowing stuff that reality exists beyond the five physical senses (I know, I've had out-of-body-experiences). Face it people, we're fucked! Maybe this is all for a reason, I don't know. The best thing you can do is look out for yourself and those nearest and dearest to you. Fuck the rest! It may sound harsh but if they can't be arsed to question the nature of reality, their place in it and the mass manipulation of their lives, then fuck 'em!

Sorry. Bad couple of weeks.

The truth is your right and you beat me to it to post something similar. In the last year I have realised there is no mass awakening having spent days wasted debating with also seemingly intelligent types who simply will never ever question what they are told or the official story of events. I even met a girl who knew a lot about the NWO, FMOTL etc (first time ever) and she thinks the global awakening will happen despite the fact she was being dragged to court for possession of weed and thinks they will have sympathy on her when she argues her point on being a soverign. Naive to say the least!



There is no Global Awakening, be happy that the few here who know what's going on and let the rest go on the way they want. This constant battle of trying to "Wake people up" is exhausting and pointless, it ain't gonna happen!.


Well of course they Argue instead of Debate man. Think of all the Money & Time (Precious Time) they wasted. They're ignorant, that is all. They ignore things that go on right in front of them. And whenever someone knows more than they know about a certain subject, then they'll label that person a "conspiracy theorist", or "right-winger" or some shit. I remember a few years ago, this woman tells me, that I sound like the type of person "who'd gather people to one of those 'communes'...". I'd have been flattered if I had the knowledge I have today though. All in all I knew she was trying to insult me by insinuating that I'd end up in a "Jim Jones" or (what the Media says happened at) Waco, one of those types of situations. The average Collegian thinks the people of Waco were some kind of dangerous cult/Militia, because of the Media. Timothy McVeigh reinforced this type of thinking when he became a scapegoat (it was etched into peoples Minds). The average Collegian thinks that President Obama, is actually in control of America, & they think they can "Vote" "Leaders" into "Office". They have no idea of what the Federal Reserve's position really is. They don't know what Greenbacks are, they don't know their History (most Important of all). They're as caught up in the System as much as anyone. All their lives, somehow, someway they were put high up on this pedestal & they sought higher learning, or an athletic scholarship. But the ones who sought that higher education, as I said before, so many people have wasted much time & money trying to fit into this system somehow & have even gotten lost (which means they gave up). I know it might sound a little poetic but I know some people. But alas, this is America. Fluoridated, Fat, & Free. ;) Nobody has a thing to worry about because the G.O.D. will take care of it all.

Why does everyone insist on calling everyone "Sheep"?

It implies and insists we hold other people in contempt and does nothing to help anyone or anything, seriously. :mad:

Nah, I kinda look at it like, Motivation, y'know. Kinda like your parents busting your balls all your life about something & then you finally make them rue the day, y'know giving them the benefit of the doubt. But seriously, once you look at things, the Masses have become inhuman, yes, as We are, Demoralized through Television & Internet, the Mind Control/Conditioning grows more & more complex. The Lower Class become more Animalistic, while the working class are more like Insects, & the Elite are more like Monsters yes, & all of this is the reason why They (tptb) strive.

Change the way you put yourself across to people and they will stop thinking your a nutter !!!!!


and cheer the fuck up !!!

Fuck that! We're not here to Entertain the People, we're here to Inform the People. You can't sugar coat Shit. You can't beat around the Bush. You can't allow yourself be fooled (44x). I'll Cheer up once people Wake the fuck up, come together, want to get Organized, & actually do something about the situation that we've allowed ourselves to be in. Of course it'll take time but, we can still at least make an attempt.

I know the Ignorant Masses aren't really a bunch of Idiots. We're very Intelligent indeed, this is why Tptb fears Us. They just Ignore shit right in front of them. But then again we've all been Conditioned somehow, & it's too late to do much of anything now. Just do what you can for yourselves, & loved ones (and hopefully each other, on a Massive Scale, someday).

[trev1]

I have to agree that there is no mass awakening gonna happen..
i hope i am wrong folks... :)

I try to sow the seeds with some close friends thats all, and even with
them I go easy with them. For someone new to this stuff too much info will
just scare them off.....

If you want an example of the attitude of the majority, take a look at this
thread on another forum:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65937794#post65937794

On it, I have been arguing on amoung other things

1. The existence of the NWO
2. The (bad) intentions of the Trilateral Commission
3. That David Rockerfeller is not a nice guy
4. That the media is comtrolled / filtered

As you can see, most posters justt dont get it and never will get it.
Sometimes I feel like Im wasting my time and energy on it. Maybe i
should just leave em in their version of reality :D

EDIT: The TC meeting in Dublin, right in front of their faces and they still cant see it!
Amazing eh? :(

[freegionnaire]

Mass awakening is a hard ball to get rolling, especially with mainstream tainments wedging the ball from most angles.

Mass awakening requires mass effort from those that DO question. If David Icke had kept his ideas to himself, how many here would question their situation today? Probably lots of you, because you felt uneasy before, he just dared put it into words for you, publicly.

To get the ball rolling we each need to play our part in encouraging critical thinking on a wider scale. That should help dislodge the wedges and then we may see a mass movement in perception.

You are part of the mass, be the example you are looking for.

[suzanne4sure]

I find no mass awakening either. People I know speak of corruption of govenment, and question 9/11 and many, many other inconsistencies yet when I look closely they are simply pursuing the same "things" discussing how much money they are making (after admitting the dollar is crashing...lol) etc. You know it occurs to me that many people are cameleons. They say what others wish them to say, and do so to avoid controversy or disorderliness in the lives they are most comfortable living.

But frankly I think what can I do? I am trying to find work after my industry crashed and a project I had planned well is hitting an economic impasse. I must try as I can to make money to buy food and to pay bills. See this is the position many find themselves in. People must survive and pay bills. The society is set up that way. In short who has time to question all these things? You know something is wrong but you don't know what to do and you don't have time.

I have many ideas on the type of dimension we live in and frankly I believe many people are going to have to wait a long time for the asleep to awake. And frankly I hope they do get to stay asleep because if some of my sources are correct, and I don't mean this board, a more then rocky road awaits us. I do not believe an awakening is in the cards for all. I really have disagreed with Icke on that for a long, long time. But I think David is correct about a lot of his information.

I also believe Wes Penre is a fearmongering disinformation act at this juncture. Alex Jones plays a close second, but I am giving Penre the prize for this week and last.

[verndewd]

the veil is disintegrating and its obvious by the signs around us. If you think the mass awakening will affect others the same youre smoking too much pot. Hell even in 97 when I felt I was on the leading edge of creation (hella cool visualization btw) I knew that the mass awakening would affect most in ways that simply heightened their animal side.

People world wide are becoming more and more unsettled about being controlled so its really denial to say otherwise.
There are states of awakening
Heart of sky
heart of earth
heart of animal
heart of darkness
and so forth. I am an infinite sky heart and have travelled a path with an earth heart on this voyage of keeping tabs on the times at my blog, he says that by our travel he has come to expand when in nature, to the point of no fear.
He may eventually speak with the earth As I may come to speak with infinity.

This awakening is in fact happening on every level.

[margueritebee]

Ah, you guys woke up didn't you?

[verndewd]

Ah, you guys woke up didn't you?

point :D

they are getting there, part of the path is comparison to others and feeling as if youre hauling more duty than you should.

[hadabusa]

when is one awake?

[pound]

A simple change is noticeable right away just by disconnecting from the propaganda media machine for a few days and searching out information from alternative sources. This is one of the easiest steps towards 'awakening'. One that many people find hard to break away from, but definitely one way to see through all of the deliberate disinfo that we are fed day in and day out. This was certainly one of the first steps that I took during my initial paradigm shift of perception/thought.

[pound]

I have to agree that there is no mass awakening gonna happen..
i hope i am wrong folks... :)

I try to sow the seeds with some close friends thats all, and even with
them I go easy with them. For someone new to this stuff too much info will
just scare them off.....

If you want an example of the attitude of the majority, take a look at this
thread on another forum:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65937794#post65937794

On it, I have been arguing on amoung other things

1. The existence of the NWO
2. The (bad) intentions of the Trilateral Commission
3. That David Rockerfeller is not a nice guy
4. That the media is comtrolled / filtered

As you can see, most posters justt dont get it and never will get it.
Sometimes I feel like Im wasting my time and energy on it. Maybe i
should just leave em in their version of reality :D

EDIT: The TC meeting in Dublin, right in front of their faces and they still cant see it!
Amazing eh? :(

Its quite frustrating. Some people just can't grasp the concept of something that is outside of their perceived 'norms' RE: conditioned reality (if it isnt confirmed by the MSM, than it must not be true mentality). I know exactly what you mean in regards to the blatant indifference and couldn't-give-a-shit attitudes so prevalent on other forums and amongst everyday people. This is why this place is like a sanctuary to me..lol For the most part freedom of speech and expression of concepts and ideas that are largely 'taboo' in other circles, are on the contrary openly discussed and encouraged here in a somewhat civil setting!
;)

[verndewd]

when is one awake?

if a person can look around after waking up and get pissy thinking hes one of the few, hes waking up. The latter part is coming to realize it doesnt matter who wakes up if anyone does because being awake is far too informative to subject to petty quarrels.

[revolutionary_jam]

when is one awake?a good sign is that you're no longer concerned over whether you're awake or not, you're having to much of an amazing adventure discovering new things about yourself and the universe you inhabit

[rubynuts]

when is one awake?

When one realizes that all there is is the presence, and it's all one consciousness constantly experiensing itself. That the source and the manifestation is one, there is no separation. Like waking to the dream, realising it's a dream.. all of it, the body-mind too.. and You being the dreaming...

Then being awake to the NWO is of course another thing:D:p ..which in the best case can lead to such intence fear that one has to face ones self:eek::D:D

[rubynuts]

a good sign is that you're no longer concerned over whether you're awake or not, you're having to much of an amazing adventure discovering new things about yourself and the universe you inhabit

+1
yeah, when one is awake it's seen that there is no-one to be awake (just awakeness) and no-one to give a shit about it:D:D it's all just AMAZING!!

[zone2012]

rubynuts:When one realizes that all there is is the presence, and it's all one consciousness constantly experiensing itself. That the source and the manifestation is one, there is no separation. Like waking to the dream, realising it's a dream.. all of it, the body-mind too.. and You being the dreaming...


Yes :) Now if one lives after this truth he/she realized, it will become obvious how to make the change.
To wish for a better world, but to eat burgers by MC Donalds, shows how truly awaken you are. Life becomes much more simple, and you will focus more on the inside, then on the outside/material amusement.
There are sacrifices which have to be made if you look at it from the one side. But on the other side, there are no sacrifices that have to be made.

[spragga_benz]

I think that maybe people are waking up.

My dad is an ex BBC journalist with a very 'right on' mindset. He has a lot of faith in the Establishment, in law and order, in legality, in 'procedure', in the political system of the West, in statistics and in what the news says in general. He is also quite pro-Israel, for various familial reasons, although he isn't Jewish. I remember he was quick to jump all over the 'Lizards and Jews' documentary when it came out and was like 'oh David Icke that nutcase? the anti-semite?' without having looked into anything that Icke had to say first, and also taking the piss out of the Illuminati story.

But lately I see a lot of books coming through the post (he orders a lot of books of Amazon) which are out of the ordinary alongside the mainstream political history he usually reads (has a lot of Huntingdon and Fukuyama in the book case).

I see stuff like Shlomo Sand's Invention of the Jewish People and Arthur Koestler's the 13th Tribe (maybe questioning the accepted Jewish narrative?) and this morning I saw a copy of Jonathan Black's Secret History of The World as Laid Down By the Secret Societies.

So who knows, maybe the tide can turn even with the die hards?

[gypsygene]

It's never too late to persevere and overcome the seemingly insurmountable obstacles that are placed before us. I don't see much being learned about incarnation and this grand design we're interwoven with, if we were spoon fed everything. I see our experiences as a vastly important aspect to what it means to be.

Your experiences and my experiences are very different. Mine are different because when these topics come up, I don't force information and state things as factual. I make observation, state opinion, and leave things open for the person/people to make their own intelligent conclusions. I find that when people are encouraged to use their gray matter, the experience is most often enjoyable and personable. There is enough officialness, rules, and constraints shoved down our throats on a daily basis, so I can understand why some people may get angered or annoyed.

Based on my personal experiences, personal observations, and the findings of others, I would have to disagree and say that there is a steadily increasing rate of human consciousness. This is actually a measurable phenomena, and is called the Flynn Effect.

Passing along this information should be done out of love of your fellow creature, yourself, and the eventual goal of equalized empowerment to all. It's not about wearing a special badge that reads "Awakened", and scoffing at those shallowly labeled "asleep". That in itself is self-defeating and regressive, as it only places a new mask on the current limited ruling and confining construct. It's also not about sticking it to the self-proclaimed elitists, their global agenda, and because they have a few more toys than other people. In truth, their agenda is trivial when compared to the forces currently at work. By all means watch their actions, but don't get drawn into their vortex of distraction.

I understand the frustration of trying to get a point across, and not being taken seriously. The desire to help is great, but freewill should be respected, even if doesn't go along with what you've learned. We've all been at the point of limited awareness, and to a great degree we still are, so a level of patients and empathy is needed.

I think the idea of ditching those who don't share a like-mindedness is extremely ill-advised. The differing perspectives and opinions are what create human complexity/diversity, and contribute to literally every aspect of our society and civilization. Without it, we wouldn't have beautiful works of art, thought provoking books, and discoveries in understanding this grand design we know as life.

A number 1; outstanding comment. "...there is a steadily increasing rate of human consciousness." Indeed; and to be awake should not ultimately entail dispiritedness; even when at certain junctures the revival process obliges us to sample heartbreak and sorrow.

I am sure alot of you have already seen this video; but I just think it altogether portrays how much farther the reckoning of our world has come. Here we see acutely illustrated; our friend Icke; promoted from deserted and debased; to applauded and appreciated. Check it out again with all this in mind:

David Icke owns Wogan 2006 - YouTube

[rubynuts]

Yes :) Now if one lives after this truth he/she realized, it will become obvious how to make the change.
To wish for a better world, but to eat burgers by MC Donalds, shows how truly awaken you are. Life becomes much more simple, and you will focus more on the inside, then on the outside/material amusement.
There are sacrifices which have to be made if you look at it from the one side. But on the other side, there are no sacrifices that have to be made.

:)True, the change will just naturally follow when the awakening has taken place. Everything is just different, even it's the same ordinary Life..but it's all WoW;):D There is a spontaneus letting go of many things but it's more like a relief than a sacrifice;)

[zone2012]

Relief is a great word :)
But I think for some people it will seem like a sacrifice.

[allinfavor]

if the mass is awakening chaos and violence will rule the world. not everyone can stay calm then. The mass will do excactly what the elite wants them to do. They will riot.
so enjoy the peace until we are going to have some tough years.

[verndewd]

a good sign is that you're no longer concerned over whether you're awake or not, you're having to much of an amazing adventure discovering new things about yourself and the universe you inhabit

I had just said that :D

[verndewd]

:)True, the change will just naturally follow when the awakening has taken place. Everything is just different, even it's the same ordinary Life..but it's all WoW;):D There is a spontaneus letting go of many things but it's more like a relief than a sacrifice;)

you really dont give up anything you just transform it , well,,, i guess youre giving up ignorant ideas about what you transform. :D

[rubynuts]

you really dont give up anything you just transform it , well,,, i guess youre giving up ignorant ideas about what you transform. :D

hahaha:D:D yeah, and actually when something drops away it's when something clicks into place and it get again clearer:p:)