My son's packed lunch

[beetzart]

He is only four and a half and has just started school (well about a month ago) and it wasn't until today that I realised he isn't allowed to have Cheese and Onion crisps or chocolate in his packed lunch. It is NOT allowed and will be taken off him if discovered. Don't get me wrong I want him to eat fruit (whether it contains pesticides is another matter) and veg and eat healthily but this really winds me up. Do schools now consider parents incapable of deciding what is best for their children?

The school he goes to is quite new and very well equiped and his teachers are nice but I do get the feeling that parents are an unwanted burden. I wish I had the energy to fight these people and stand up to them without it having a detrimental effect on my son.:mad:

[gorgeousbutterfly]

Unbelievable. this is wrong. they have no right to say what goes into your kid's stomach. i mean who the hell are they to say what he can or can not eat? OMG...

[mad as a cat]

At my son's previous school,(he's now home educated again)the parents were asked not to put 'party' food into the packed lunches - this meant no crisps,chocolate,sweets,gum,fizzy drinks and so on.Most parents followed this,but,some flouted it. On the whole, most parents appreciated these rules,because the children didn't get their brains mucked up with junk/false/fake foods.
:):):):)

[joss classey]

has this got something to do with jamie oliver?

i saw him recently on tv and i swear that they've killed him and he has now taken form as a cyborg or computer program CGI

[gorgeousbutterfly]

At my son's previous school,(he's now home educated again)the parents were asked not to put 'party' food into the packed lunches - this meant no crisps,chocolate,sweets,gum,fizzy drinks and so on.Most parents followed this,but,some flouted it. On the whole, most parents appreciated these rules,because the children didn't get their brains mucked up with junk/false/fake foods.
:):):):)


Yes but what goes in a child's mouth is not their responsibility. their ONLY responsibility is to educate them

[cheesedanish]

He is only four and a half and has just started school (well about a month ago) and it wasn't until today that I realised he isn't allowed to have Cheese and Onion crisps or chocolate in his packed lunch. It is NOT allowed and will be taken off him if discovered. Don't get me wrong I want him to eat fruit (whether it contains pesticides is another matter) and veg and eat healthily but this really winds me up. Do schools now consider parents incapable of deciding what is best for their children?

The school he goes to is quite new and very well equiped and his teachers are nice but I do get the feeling that parents are an unwanted burden. I wish I had the energy to fight these people and stand up to them without it having a detrimental effect on my son.:mad:


So in other words you are saying you gave your child crisps and chocolates
up until now - for about a month? Obviously the teachers had to intervene
since it was not the healthy option you as a parent were giving?

I think they did have his interests at heart in this case? Don't you think?

[joss classey]

Yes but what goes in a child's mouth is not their responsibility. their ONLY responsibility is to educate them

They would probably justify it by saying that it's a form of education

[mad as a cat]

I understand what you are saying,but,my son's school was a Steiner/Waldorf,so,they are very involved in the child's life,so to speak(I'm not expressing my self very well!).
The ethos of this type of education means that TV is very restricted,also the internet and electronic hand held games.
As parents,choosing this type of school,it makes it more than just an education,I suppose. It's a sort of 'life choice'.It's very 'whole',and sometimes 'all-encompassing'!
:):):):)

[gorgeousbutterfly]

They would probably justify it by saying that it's a form of education

lol, education to the parent?!

[raffles]

imo, once the sheeple have got used to the idea of schools telling your kids what they can/cant eat,, maybe the forced vaccination card will be played.

The totalitarian tiptoe as icke would say.

[beetzart]

Yes but what goes in a child's mouth is not their responsibility. their ONLY responsibility is to educate them

Exactly!! That is what I said to my wife. Like I said, I don't want him living on junk food but for the hand of Nanny to come down like this really makes me mad. This is all part of seemingly taking away the pleasures in life; making kids from a young age realise that it is bad to want stuff that make you feel good. Is it social engineering? In every classroom are our future politicians, scientists, vicars, murderers, drug dealers, geniuses, authors, etc. Children at such a young age are very susceptible to suggestion hence the most vulnerable and the state knows this. It is therefore with ever increasing verocity that they try to take over the upbringing of children over parents. Well, parents have to work so hard now to keep a family together that they let the little things like this just slip by.

[beetzart]

So in other words you are saying you gave your child crisps and chocolates
up until now - for about a month? Obviously the teachers had to intervene
since it was not the healthy option you as a parent were giving?

I think they did have his interests at heart in this case? Don't you think?

NO I hadn't, it is infact school policy to not allow it for EVERY pupil. Prehaps I worded it wrong. My wife and I give him a balanced diet. I was just trying to make a point about how schools are starting to dictate what our children should be eating.

[cheesedanish]

I understand ... leave the parenting to the parents. I agree.
However they slowly taking our rights away.
Like giving children the right to contraceptives without their
parents permission I am talking from 12 years old.

[Mo0n5tar]

In response to the OP, this seems like a noble intervention, why the hell would you want to feed your offspring the sweety junk they mass market at them?

It's about time teachers started using their responsibilities in a positive assertive manner and ensuring children and parents for that matter eat well.

Figs and dates and all kinds of dried fruits are far superior to any of these chocolat snacks and potato crisps on the market.

[neutron flux]

Speaking of Jamie Oliver:

Charlie Brooker on Jamie Oliver - YouTube

[beetzart]

In response to the OP, this seems like a noble intervention, why the hell would you want to feed your offspring the sweety junk they mass market at them?

It's about time teachers started using their responsibilities in a positive assertive manner and ensuring children and parents for that matter eat well.

Figs and dates and all kinds of dried fruits are far superior to any of these chocolat snacks and potato crisps on the market.

Children at the school ARE allowed ready salted crisps and cheesey biscuits. Even before he started school one of his teachers did a home visit (like they did with every new pupil).

Then again prehaps it would be better just to submit and let someone else tell me how to live my life. Isn't the reason we use websites like this because we want to discuss why the world is like it is? It might only be a tiny thing in the great scheme of things but important. Well I think so anyway.

[siliconpsychosis]

In my opinion, the notion that the school is really looking out for the welfare of the child is utter nonsense.
If they were so concerned, why dont they stop the children arriving to school in cars since the pollution is so harmful.
Or perhaps they should examine the clothing that children wear and ban anything that has been mass produced in a sweatshop.
Perhaps the school should interview the parents and if any deviant attitudes arise then the children should be given extra education to minimise the impact of parental attitudes on their own.
Schools dont care about children, they just want parents to think they do. Schools merely exist to indoctrinate and churn out cyborgs to keep the capitalist monster churning away.
Any policy that implies that they care is just a cover to dupe parents into thinking they do. They dont, fact. Its a lie.
We have to start accepting that schools are one of many weapons of warfare used against the people to batter any sense of individuality into non existence.
I say abolish schools, abolish capitalism, abolish democracy and for the first time in history, let the PEOPLE create a world that is full of love, respect and diversity. We can do it, but sadly the psycho elite have always prevented the human race from reaching its infinite potential.

[auron]

Nice one mate! :)

[quelyn]

He is only four and a half and has just started school (well about a month ago) and it wasn't until today that I realised he isn't allowed to have Cheese and Onion crisps or chocolate in his packed lunch. It is NOT allowed and will be taken off him if discovered. Don't get me wrong I want him to eat fruit (whether it contains pesticides is another matter) and veg and eat healthily but this really winds me up. Do schools now consider parents incapable of deciding what is best for their children?

The school he goes to is quite new and very well equiped and his teachers are nice but I do get the feeling that parents are an unwanted burden. I wish I had the energy to fight these people and stand up to them without it having a detrimental effect on my son.:mad:
SUGAR!!!!!
Could it be that the school is just trying to keep your child in the mode of learning and starting to socialize? Sugar highs don't help little ones to focus well.
I have read reports of a crack down on the junky school lunch food, soft drink machines etc. Things aren't always as they appear to be but healthy food for tots "sounds" reasonable.

[carlg1212]

He is only four and a half and has just started school (well about a month ago) and it wasn't until today that I realised he isn't allowed to have Cheese and Onion crisps or chocolate in his packed lunch. It is NOT allowed and will be taken off him if discovered. Don't get me wrong I want him to eat fruit (whether it contains pesticides is another matter) and veg and eat healthily but this really winds me up. Do schools now consider parents incapable of deciding what is best for their children?

The school he goes to is quite new and very well equiped and his teachers are nice but I do get the feeling that parents are an unwanted burden. I wish I had the energy to fight these people and stand up to them without it having a detrimental effect on my son.:mad:

Band the other parents together and write letters. Convince the other parents it isn't right, but for God's sake, don't mention the NWO because people will "slide" and think you're a nut case.

[quester123]

I personally believe that Jamie Oliver had his heart in the right place for being involved in exposing the disgusting ingredients contained within school dinners.

Lets face it, a couple of years ago the British government couldn't give too hoots what rubbish our children were eating at school. However, I do take the view that it is totally hypocritical to also be involved in advertising junk food.
But is Jamie Oliver currently being used by the media? ..... Well I believe so....

At my sons last school the menu was the usual turkey twizzlers, smiley faces and other bland garbage that I wouldn't personally feed to our dog. We eat organic at home, so I provided by child with a packed lunch which was a heck of a lot healthier than anything the school could possibly offer. Even the bread was homemade, organic and freshly baked.

The school tuck shop suddenly started to go "healthy" and offered fruit for sale (not organic, but fruit sprayed with pesticide's!:eek:)

Not long after this, whilst still supplying disgusting school meals, the children on packed lunches suddenly had their food examined!
Another hypocritical fact was that every time it was a child's birthday, or any kind of school party or event the children were bringing home or eating at school food, cakes, sweets, pop, crisps etc laced with all kinds of nasty ingredients...

So.... my son moves on to high school and desires school meals which are "supposed" to be healthy and nutritious! Week number one, I ask him daily
what he has had to eat?...the reply "PIZZA"

Week number two: the sudden and mysterious introduction of the "cashless" catering biometric system "To Monitor" what the children are eating !

Pah!.....
Utter rubbish.... the children still have to take cash into school to pour through the terminals prior to eating!

So what about the parents at our new school, whose children were previously on school dinners and were not given any option whatsoever with regards to fingerprinting & photographing... Comply or let the children starve huh?

And... What about hygiene?
How many children wash their hands after a visit to the lavatory?
YET..every child who wishes to have a school dinner, no matter how long they have to queue before their meal arrives are expected to transmit their fingerprint before the "reward" of a school meal arrives

I personally don't buy it....


TRANSFORMING SCHOOL FOOD - YouTube

[veritas2007]

SUGAR!!!!!
Could it be that the school is just trying to keep your child in the mode of learning and starting to socialize? Sugar highs don't help little ones to focus well.
I have read reports of a crack down on the junky school lunch food, soft drink machines etc. Things aren't always as they appear to be but healthy food for tots "sounds" reasonable.

When my son started school a few years ago, my wife told me he wasn't allowed crisps, sweets etc and I too was mortified at this apparent infringement on our civil liberties (whatever they are now).

My wife told me that my daughter (3 years older) had been subjected to the same restrictions when she started. Bloody hell!!!!! I thought!! Fact is, the combination of sugar and E numbers doesn't make for a productive class room and on some level, I have to agree.

My kids must also take a bottle of water into the class room. It's mandatory. Apparently is helps with concentration which makes you think about the Sodium fluoride issue. We buy the big bottles of mineral water in the vain hope that it hasn't been tampered with.

There's some irony in there somewhere but I'm too tired to point it out.

[gremlin]

come on parents aint got a clue, nothing personal, but give kids better food they perform better.

jamie oliver is doing a good job really in my mind, think about it if kids start eating the right foods and start performing wont the government start losing control? keep them young keep them dumb:(

[karma19]

Most mornings I travel to work by bus. Often 6 & 7 year olds walk past eating crisps on their way to school. That is their breakfast!!

[Mo0n5tar]

Children at the school ARE allowed ready salted crisps and cheesey biscuits. Even before he started school one of his teachers did a home visit (like they did with every new pupil).

Then again prehaps it would be better just to submit and let someone else tell me how to live my life.

Is it not important for your children to eat well?

Then why persist with this childish rebellion?

Collaborate with your child's teachers, surely it will make it easier for you to have the school helping address this topic, if you were bothered about your childs diet you would appreciate the help!

What about worse off single parents, without computers and generally without an idea of how to eat well, let alone sustain their offspring, there are many young parents out there severely lacking any ideas on how to bring kids up, and i for one think it is a great thing that schools are now starting to lend a hand or even "god forbid" point out some bad practices of the parents, don't we sit around bitching about the bad points of our own parents, how closed minded they were and all that jazz, how they programmed us to go to school, college, UNI, then work, then get married, then pension, and so on...

Point is, do we really want to let the opportunity to really improve our eating practices and take a more informed approach pass by, by letting our own problems with authority getting in the way, no doubt you will feel the benefit, and probably see it in your children if you embrace the change and get involved.

Isn't the reason we use websites like this because we want to discuss why the world is like it is? It might only be a tiny thing in the great scheme of things but important. Well I think so anyway.

I dare you to go to your next parents evening or just out of the blue, one insignificant day, book an appointment at the school to congratulate your child's teachers on a grand idea, thank them for giving you the support in effecting positive change in your child's diet, and eventually it will not be a case of you "having to submit" and it will be a case of naturally practicing better habits.

p.s Good post Quester.

[quester123]

Most mornings I travel to work by bus. Often 6 & 7 year olds walk past eating crisps on their way to school. That is their breakfast!!

JEEZ...another example of what sad times we are living in...
but thank you for speaking your truth!!!
Towards Freedom!
:)

[synergy777]

micky the food nazi, lol nah spot on bro.

you are what you eat.

food is vital, its even more vital when kids are in the learning and growing stage of their life.

they need all the nutrients and benefits of good food for both mental and biological development

in italy, they do not allow any gm/processed food to be used in their school dinners, they value food and the health of their children.

we should too.

[somewarez]

hi, when i was at school during the low 80s- mid 90s, we all ate crap , but there didnt appear to be the weight problems the government is stressing is happening now. The fu*king sweet machine and fizzy drinks machine dished out aspartame on order...... are they even looking at that problem? Seriously the people I was at school with 90% imo didnt have a weight problem, maybe a few did but often that seemed genetic, not food related. If anything more people seemed "UNDERWEIGHT!"

Schools taking such an interest in our childrens diet seems just 1 more deprogramming and control of of most loved ones.
I strongly feel its just another disguise to hand over more of our liberty to let them tell us how our children should be fed. Really if they want our kids to eat good food then close down the chip shops that are so conviently placed near schools... close down macdonalds etc.

(my % for children overweight etc isnt exact and was just observations taken from what i can remember so please dont take that as science, on the whole kids at my school were pretty much normal, even though our exercise wasnt great... thanks to the 4 hours per week given to sports and PE, and the rest of the time sitting on your arse been told what to believe)

SW

[Mo0n5tar]

The point is somewarez YOU shouldn't need anyone to tell you to eat healthily!

The system sure as hell ain't gonna tell you to eat properly how the hell would it make any money through the medical cartels dishing out synthetic poisens having a suppressive effect on symptoms of illness.

Point is, imo, in these times of confusion we should certainly be thinking about our long term health and most primarily imo our fitness and strength, they want a population reliant on them to know how to eat well, (they have it) a population relient on the medical cartels (they have it) and they want a weak, sickly and vulnerable population, to GOVERN.

I am surprised it is the school teachers tbh at the forefront of getting us to look at our health, they will never teach of such legends as Arnold Ehret, and Edgar Cayce, they will never teach of cheap and natural cures to all ailments, but at least they are showing the kids it's important to THINK about your diet, and investigate your body and what REALLY works for it!

I am quite dissapointed really at the closed minded approach towards this subject.

[synergy777]

its not just school, its what they eat at home, they eat more junk, convience food, tv dinners etc.

when i see my nephews/nieces, they always ask me to cook, pasta, burgers, pizzas because i cook them naturally. kids prefer good food. look at pasta, pizza, burgers. you can makes thse healthy.

burgers, get organic lean mince, organic onions, organic eggs, add seasoning, the burgers are then made. get organic cheeese, slices. get good baked rolls, make a relish from gherkins, salsa, onions. i like me "junk food", but it can made healthy/properly. even pizza get bases, get teh kids involved, they can learn to cook aswell.

show them how its made, let them choose their toppings, they can even make funny faces, whatever, they will get involved.

cooking is fun, if you enjoy it. put your love into the food. look at indian, italian, mexican, english etc home cooking/sunday roasts, the meals your mum makes, you can't get no better, why, they put love into their cooking

[tinmenace]

I think it's ok to make recommendations to the parents concerning their children's diet, but to overrule a parent without discussion is not ok. Not under any circumstances. It's fascism.

[Mo0n5tar]

its not just school, its what they eat at home, they eat more junk, convience food, tv dinners etc

Definately, how many people watched supersize me and still let their kids eat at Mcdon's, no other fast food joint is any better they are all shit and they all work on the misconception of mixing proteins with starch, i.e burger and chips, they are all loaded with salt and sugars, this fast food we see on the tv advertised is crap, real fast food as you say can be, fun, easy to make, TASTY and above all nutritious, bean burgers are simple and fruit and veg is the most versatile things in the world.

We have been provided with such a bountiful platter of natural delicacies yet we buy things like fryed scrapings of potatoe, grinded wheat batterings of chicken, mushings of fish and seared blood sacks of cow, and millions of sweets.

Thats good stuff syn thats how the next generation learns how to eat well, by learning it from their elders i remember well getting tips from my granny, cooking with my mum and Dad and in todays society where our elders feature less even more reason to get clued up on diet and additivesespecially, we need to be the teachers as well as those PAID ones in school.

[de_shit]

Well it sounds like a school has finally received some brains. All schools should ban "junk foods". That shit makes me sick ever since I read Ickes books, especially M&Ms. I ate some today and my stomach hurt for a long ass time and that never used to happen years ago. I guess the corn syrup level in my body is too high. Chocolate isn't good in my opinion, it also makes me sick and anything that makes me sick is a bad thing to eat. I can feel the bad vibes coming out of the shit we eat and inorganic fruits taste like shit dude.

The school has accomplished something extraordinary. It has lessened the amount of chemicals that go into its students bodies. You should be happy. When those chemicals are in the body, they make the mind succumb to subliminals more easily since the mind wont work at 100%. Thus the kids will have an easier time not listening to teachers in school. Once that happens, the indoctrinating process is pretty much sent down the shitter and down goes the Illuminati plan of world domination.

[synergy777]

as we say in hip hop circles, "each one teach one".

teach the youth, and futures good, show them ill, they do ill.

kids i scold them a lot, but really its the older generation thats fucked their heads up.

not enough stabilty, support, guidance and motivation.

too much pressure and bad examples of adult behaviour, from divorces, affairs to the prats in westminster and rome.

poor things, no wonder they don't give a shit, they have no hope, because they see us mashing things up.

in this epoch, everything that could go wrong has done, and to a degree never seen before.

hey at least they did one thing properly, mashed everything up lol

and we gotta fix it up.

[tinmenace]

Yes, it takes a village....

BUT, you can't teach the youth that parents' rights can be overruled by the system, because to do so is to groom them to not to resist the system when they have their own children one day. It's grooming them to accept fascism.

[synergy777]

its also good to explain fascism to them. but who have to break it down simply, in terms they can understand, eg analogy, parable.

[Mo0n5tar]

Yes, it takes a village....

BUT, you can't teach the youth that parents' rights can be overruled by the system, because to do so is to groom them to not to resist the system when they have their own children one day. It's grooming them to accept fascism.






Letting them get fat is grooming them to accept fascism having chemical imbalances tempered with consumer drugs and above all mis-educating towards what constitutes a healthy diet is creating the impetus to fascism, give our young people knowledge about their health, the ability for them to maintain it without medical quackery and they will be as sound of mind and body that they would more likely to do more to resist tyranny than we ever will.

Taking your health back from these doc's is a major FU to the system, and it all comes from good dietary awareness, you are what you eat, i don't fancy the prospect of being a rotten corpse..

peace

[synergy777]

give our young people knowledge about their health, the ability for them to maintain it without medical quackery and they will be as sound of mind and body that they would more likely to do more to resist tyranny than we ever will.


true, it will also open them up to the gm/posioning of them, the de population agenda.

[tinmenace]

Letting them get fat is grooming them to accept fascism having chemical imbalances tempered with consumer drugs and above all mis-educating towards what constitutes a healthy diet is creating the impetus to fascism, give our young people knowledge about their health, the ability for them to maintain it without medical quackery and they will be as sound of mind and body that they would more likely to do more to resist tyranny than we ever will.

Taking your health back from these doc's is a major FU to the system, and it all comes from good dietary awareness, you are what you eat, i don't fancy the prospect of being a rotten corpse..

peace

I'm not disagreeing that bad diet is undesirable. What I said was that overruling a parent WITHOUT discussion is unacceptable.

[Mo0n5tar]

But the system has created subservient people who actually have to be told how to do things properly, i think this idea of esteemed citizens, in this case teachers, having more responsibilty to act on their personal morals for the betterment of the situation is a good thing, it will only take (in an ideal world) the initial intervention of the teachers, hopefully for the parents to amend their bad habits, in the log run this will bring everyone less tension and improve dietary awareness in the more needy areas.

[peachped]

In my opinion, the notion that the school is really looking out for the welfare of the child is utter nonsense.
If they were so concerned, why dont they stop the children arriving to school in cars since the pollution is so harmful.
Or perhaps they should examine the clothing that children wear and ban anything that has been mass produced in a sweatshop.
Perhaps the school should interview the parents and if any deviant attitudes arise then the children should be given extra education to minimise the impact of parental attitudes on their own.
Schools dont care about children, they just want parents to think they do. Schools merely exist to indoctrinate and churn out cyborgs to keep the capitalist monster churning away.
Any policy that implies that they care is just a cover to dupe parents into thinking they do. They dont, fact. Its a lie.
We have to start accepting that schools are one of many weapons of warfare used against the people to batter any sense of individuality into non existence.
I say abolish schools, abolish capitalism, abolish democracy and for the first time in history, let the PEOPLE create a world that is full of love, respect and diversity. We can do it, but sadly the psycho elite have always prevented the human race from reaching its infinite potential.

Agree.

This isn't about schools concern for what type of food children put in their mouths,the very idea is laughable , this is about obedience, you will do as we say.





I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers.

John D. Rockefeller.

[thetonic]

Yes kids should be allowed the option of bringing their own lunch to school and it should not be determined by any other person than the parent if it is suitable.. I always went home and made myspelf my own lunch during high sckool, as the cateteria food was utter garbage, disgusting , poison...

[Mo0n5tar]

Pessimistic and reactionary.

This isn't about schools concern for what type of food children put in their mouths,the very idea is laughable

I am afraid that very statement is laughable, please realise most, infact the resounding majority of Teachers get into teaching because they want to help young children attain success, only very few become teachers to exert totalitarien influence and to pschological harass children.

To think that a genuine concern over their pupils diet could be misconstrued as a threat to the parents liberties, what the liberties to be a lazy parent and feed your kids junk?

Like Tsarion said, the word teacher is synonimous with threat.

[peachped]

Pessimistic and reactionary.



I am afraid that very statement is laughable, please realise most, infact the resounding majority of Teachers get into teaching because they want to help young children attain success, only very few become teachers to exert totalitarien influence and to pschological harass children.

To think that a genuine concern over their pupils diet could be misconstrued as a threat to the parents liberties, what the liberties to be a lazy parent and feed your kids junk?

Like Tsarion said, the word teacher is synonimous with threat.

I said schools not teachers. "genuine concern over their pupils diet" don't make me laugh!