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infinite tea
05-05-2010, 01:06 AM
Untruths are exposed,
Justice is done,
And Peace remains.

Unburden yourself if you have done wrong,
Tell those you are hiding truth from that you have lied no matter what the consequences.
Hide nothing.

Atonement is At-One-ment.

els27
05-05-2010, 08:25 PM
I like it. But who decides what is wrong? is it the person who wants to unburden themselves, or is it society's categorisation of right and wrong?

infinite tea
05-05-2010, 09:44 PM
I like it. But who decides what is wrong? is it the person who wants to unburden themselves, or is it society's categorisation of right and wrong?

Only you know what burdens you :-)

worlds beyond
05-05-2010, 10:11 PM
Untruths are exposed,
Justice is done,
And Peace remains.

Unburden yourself if you have done wrong,
Tell those you are hiding truth from that you have lied no matter what the consequences.
Hide nothing.

Atonement is At-One-ment.


excellent post...

and this is something i've always strongly believed in, and tried very hard to live fullly in accordance with...

without truth there can never be trust ....

though i would add that sometimes it's very difficult to own/reveal a past mistake/error of judgement, and the consequences can be painful (to both sides) ... and be aware that not everyone has a forgiving heart, and if so, then this needs to be accepted with good grace... for the act/path of telling the truth is not always easy, and can turn a friend into a foe in a flash... but the truth will outshine all lies, woes and 'wrongs' in the long run....

imho truth in all things is the only way forward... individually, collectively and nationally/internationally... i long for a world in which nothing is hidden, nothing is covered up, nothing is distorted...

the Truth ALWAYS outs in the end.. so why even bother trying to hide it/deny it?

:)

nectars
05-05-2010, 10:13 PM
Tell those you are hiding truth from that you have lied no matter what the consequences.

Not necessary and potentially unwise on several levels for both parties. All thats required is acknowledgement and acceptance of it in yourself. Who else is there to "tell"?

worlds beyond
05-05-2010, 10:42 PM
Not necessary and potentially unwise on several levels for both parties. All thats required is acknowledgement and acceptance of it in yourself. Who else is there to "tell"?


why unwise?? I want a world where truth is all-pervading, not one where people lie and hide/distort things (be they PTB/Illuminati/Govts or friends/family/colleagues etc)...

for example, to say "All thats required is acknowledgement and acceptance of it in yourself" sounds nice and 'new agey' or even pseudo-spiritual.. but let me ask you this... does that thinking also apply to people like BLiar and GWBush (and goodness knows how many others on earth) who have done evil thingsharm to people .. and got away with it ... through lies and avoidance of truth??? or who have used Lies/Distortion of truth as REASON to commit evil/harm to others??


"be the change you want to see in the world" ... if you want truth from others then you need to BE truthful, in all dealings...

:)

crystalline
05-05-2010, 11:13 PM
I would also add forgive those who have wronged you.

nectars
05-05-2010, 11:16 PM
why unwise?? I want a world where truth is all-pervading, not one where people lie and hide/distort things (be they PTB/Illuminati/Govts or friends/family/colleagues etc)...

for example, to say "All thats required is acknowledgement and acceptance of it in yourself" sounds nice and 'new agey' or even pseudo-spiritual.. but let me ask you this... does that thinking also apply to people like BLiar and GWBush (and goodness knows how many others on earth) who have done evil thingsharm to people .. and got away with it ... through lies and avoidance of truth??? or who have used Lies/Distortion of truth as REASON to commit evil/harm to others??


"be the change you want to see in the world" ... if you want truth from others then you need to BE truthful, in all dealings...

:)


You misunderstand, and I'm far from that nonsense.

What has been done should be undone, but I wasn't refering to secrecy by societies, I was refering to Truth being seen and accepted as the apparent subjective experience of the individual. This being veiled by their own perception its almost impossible to achieve actual Truth. In reference to "now", Truth can only be spoken to the limit its actually known, and what is mostly known or exhibited is far from actual Truth. If we dont start with clearing away our own debris we cant even possibly expect to know the correct choice.

if you want truth from others then you need to BE truthful, in all dealings

And who should start with? Them or us? Out there or in here?

worlds beyond
05-05-2010, 11:55 PM
You misunderstand

sorry, am tired and perhaps didn't catch your intention clearly

, and I'm far from that nonsense.

sorry, which nonsense?


What has been done should be undone, but I wasn't refering to secrecy by societies, societies are made up of individual people.. you, me, the next person...we're all responsible for telling truth or not, imho

I was refering to Truth being seen and accepted as the apparent subjective experience of the individual. This being veiled by their own perception its almost impossible to achieve actual Truth. In reference to "now", Truth can only be spoken to the limit its actually known, and what is mostly known or exhibited is far from actual Truth. i get what you mean, but there is still a universally accepted/understood level of objective truth, as in being facts/evidenced etc, rather than perception/speculation...


If we dont start with clearing away our own debris we cant even possibly expect to know the correct choice. 100% agree.. and as i said.. "be the change...."




And who should start with? Them or us? Out there or in here?

us, now, in here, then out there... why wait for "them"... let's take the lead and be responsible! :)

worlds beyond
05-05-2010, 11:59 PM
I would also add forgive those who have wronged you.

absolutely.. had already taken that as 'a given' ...

my life experience to date is having found it easier to forgive others than to be forgiven for my failings/errors! have lost some very good friends along way through being truthful and honest... it's not easy to realise you'll never be forgiven by someone you love/care about... :o :(

nectars
06-05-2010, 07:08 PM
and I'm far from that nonsense.

sorry, which nonsense? :)

New age and pseudoscience.

infinite tea
06-05-2010, 07:35 PM
Not necessary and potentially unwise on several levels for both parties. All thats required is acknowledgement and acceptance of it in yourself. Who else is there to "tell"?

It is necessary unfortunately but you do grow from it. The who else is there to tell is in fact yourself. If there is something you have done that you are ashamed to admit too - then that is a red light to yourself that you are not living in truth.

Sometimes you need to lose a friend or someone you hold dear to learn the true value of truth and love - not to mention humility.

It may be hurtful, uncomfortable and difficult to both parties, and there is no guarantee of forgiveness nor should there be any forgiveness asked for or expected - but if you want to grow in an understanding of yourself being absolutely open is the only route.

Plus you soon learn that you should not do anything that you wouldn't want to have to explain and be open about - if you commit to living this way :-)

nectars
07-05-2010, 07:04 AM
I agree with where your coming from and agree that "speaking" the Truth is necessary, yet this route although correct is "looking at up there from down here". Not meaning to sound aloof, but this is different understanding. "If you want to change the world change yourself". When you do you automaticaly speak your "higher truth".

I'll try to elaborate better on this later as I have to go do mundane stuff lol.

Have a great day dude :)

worlds beyond
09-05-2010, 05:49 AM
It is necessary unfortunately but you do grow from it. The who else is there to tell is in fact yourself. If there is something you have done that you are ashamed to admit too - then that is a red light to yourself that you are not living in truth.

Sometimes you need to lose a friend or someone you hold dear to learn the true value of truth and love - not to mention humility.

It may be hurtful, uncomfortable and difficult to both parties, and there is no guarantee of forgiveness nor should there be any forgiveness asked for or expected - but if you want to grow in an understanding of yourself being absolutely open is the only route.

Plus you soon learn that you should not do anything that you wouldn't want to have to explain and be open about - if you commit to living this way :-)

+100 !! ..to all of above, and especially last Para! ;)

kassondra8
14-05-2010, 04:11 AM
Untruths are exposed,
Justice is done,
And Peace remains.

Unburden yourself if you have done wrong,
Tell those you are hiding truth from that you have lied no matter what the consequences.
Hide nothing.

Atonement is At-One-ment.

Thank you. Awesome post. This basically sums up my experiences lately. It is hard to admit to others the things you are ashamed of, but ultimately it is so worth it. Then you can look back on whatever it was, and instead of feeling bad about it, you know you aren't alone in the knowledge anymore and you can see why it was necessary for you to experience that. You can see what caused it, and that it doesn't make you a "bad person." I think we all need to clean mental house. Letting go of the guilt sets your mind free.

infinite tea
09-06-2010, 11:08 PM
Thank you. Awesome post. This basically sums up my experiences lately. It is hard to admit to others the things you are ashamed of, but ultimately it is so worth it. Then you can look back on whatever it was, and instead of feeling bad about it, you know you aren't alone in the knowledge anymore and you can see why it was necessary for you to experience that. You can see what caused it, and that it doesn't make you a "bad person." I think we all need to clean mental house. Letting go of the guilt sets your mind free.

Yeh, it's the mind that is (r)evolving faster and faster, the less baggage the less pull away from the centre. Truth is the only way for a comfortable ride :-)