Anton Le Vay

[tiswas]

This is one true satanist.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:NTqz_KdwE1gx7M:http://www.satanic-kindred.org/images/anton.jpg

He was a real mover and shaker in the US, and compared to Crowley this guy's dangerous.

[synergy777]

see if you ever needed proof of the true reality of life, satanism, satanic ritual abuse etc is prime evidence.

this is why people, who ignore evil, are ignorant and aiding its existence.

[tiswas]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:GkYFGDAY_h3SWM:http://www.satanservice.org/graphics/anton-lavey.jpg



A total evil guy.

[strider]

But even then I still think he's a patsy..

[tiswas]

How is this guy a patsy? He's totally proud of being a satan bloke.

[tiswas]

I will be reading the Satanic Witch, which does give a woman some advice. When I have time I will reveal some of it.:)
But there are some things in it which does have some sense.

[tinmenace]

LeVay. If he was Jewish, do you think his name might have been OyVay?



:D

[eternal_spirit]

I will be reading the Satanic Witch, which does give a woman some advice. When I have time I will reveal some of it.:)
But there are some things in it which does have some sense.
Look forward to hearing your findings on the issue and POV.

[eternal_spirit]

Done a huge thread he's mentioned much.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1933&highlight=Church+Satan

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An-ton le-vay
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Abstracts
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Non-ferrous metals/Nichteisenmetalle
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[eternal_spirit]

LeVay. If he was Jewish, do you think his name might have been OyVay?



:D

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:confused: O' lay!

[tinmenace]

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:confused: O' lay!

Niiiiice! You mean if he was Spanish, it would have been Olé!

I like it! :D

[eternal_spirit]

Niiiiice! You mean if he was Spanish, it would have been Olé!

I like it! :D




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Yes, that's it, but what does Oy Vay mean? I was thinking O'Lay rhymed.

[tinmenace]

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Yes, that's it, but what does Oy Vay mean? I was thinking O'Lay rhymed.

It's indescribable :eek:

Check out the Urban Dictionary HERE (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oy+vey)

[eternal_spirit]

It's indescribable :eek:

Check out the Urban Dictionary HERE (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oy+vey)





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That's interesting, They missed one out maybe, the English O ye, OH YAY

[tinmenace]

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That's interesting, They missed one out maybe, the English O ye, OH YAY

Oh Yay! Yes, that's my fave....


http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/freebeer.jpg

[tiswas]

This guy, Anton Levay does say some wise things indeed.
I was flicking through The satanic witch, and some thoeries are excellent.
Opposites do attract and people who are nothing in reality will think of themselves as very important.

[damagedbrainn]

Anton Lavey would have been a somewhat decent social commentator if he had dropped all the silly hoo-doo and the carnivalesque sideshow. Aside from that, he's a total hack who seemed to know, or at least, understand very little about the "occult" and nearly everything he ever told about himself and his Church of Satan was a lie.

The only reason people believe that he was in league with powerful dark forces and "Secret Chiefs" is because that's what he wanted people to think. Nothing would have made him happier than to have a bunch of people believing that he was a major Illuminati/Elite figure.

[tiswas]

I have actually read some of Le vay AND I AM NOT A SATANIST.
But he does say a lot of sensible things, which do make sense.

[pollock]

I have actually read some of Le vay AND I AM NOT A SATANIST.
But he does say a lot of sensible things, which do make sense.

Yes but all his work stems from his vibration and it is all just that little bit twisted!
"Good" attracts "bad" yes, but rarely the opposite, and some people who are "nothing" in real life do think a lot of themselves but they are rarely "good"!


F

[eternal_spirit]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d8/LaVeyKnife.jpg/180px-LaVeyKnife.jpg

Would you trust this man? NO! Foot soldiers on a mission from orders from above?

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/tom_cruise_scientology.jpg
COS Church of Scientology. COS Church of Satan? Pantomime and Hollywood.

[eternal_spirit]

Well he is a FreeMa(n)son : Member of Church of Satan

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7306/marilynmanson01ug0.jpg

Take a closer look (bottom right):

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9016/marilynmanson02sn8.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

]http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8346/sampleje2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

All members or leaders of Occult groups and connected. Note Ron Hubbard founder and one time head of Scientology.

[tiswas]

Anton Le Vay, love him or hate him, did have a way with the ladies.
The photo you sent of him ES shows that he can bewitch a lady, and he seems proud of the fact.

[damagedbrainn]

Well he is a FreeMa(n)son : Member of Church of Satan

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7306/marilynmanson01ug0.jpg

Take a closer look (bottom right):

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9016/marilynmanson02sn8.jpg

Becoming a "member" of the Church of Satan is as easy as being a handed a card. You too could become a member by going to their website, sending them a hundred dollars, and waiting for your card to come in the mail. Seriously, that's it. It's really lame.

And that Mason ring of Marilyn's looks fake (the ring itself, not the picture), but I could be wrong. He's a member of the O.T.O. by his own admission.

[eternal_spirit]

Becoming a "member" of the Church of Satan is as easy as being a handed a card. You too could become a member by going to their website, sending them a hundred dollars, and waiting for your card to come in the mail. Seriously, that's it. It's really lame.

And that Mason ring of Marilyn's looks fake (the ring itself, not the picture), but I could be wrong. He's a member of the O.T.O. by his own admission.
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Order by mail to become a Satanist, does seem cheesy, yes I've seen the site. Seems to be the catch phrase "Do what thou will" etc. But according to another version of that phrase, Crowley missed some words out, should of been this..."Do what thou will yet harm no other" ( something like that?)

OTO is and always was Masonic, and connected to other none Masonic groups. Manson could be a multiple, mind controlled etc. Some gross disturbing stuff is promoted by Satanism.

[i_am]

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..."Do what thou will yet harm no other" ( something like that?)

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Wiccan rede

Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill, An it harm none do what ye will

Crowley

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

[tiswas]

The church of satan, has more followers than you think. but they do not beleive in child sacrifice and blood drinking.
http://www.churchofsatan.com/

[tiswas]

Has anyone been into the site to learn a new thing or two.

[auron]

Crowley missed some words out, should of been this..."Do what thou will yet harm no other" ( something like that?)

Freedom With Responsibility!! :)

[tiswas]

Look auron, cut down on the martian tobbaco, and listen to new thoughts that may teach you about the bigger picture of the world.

[pollock]

Has anyone been into the site to learn a new thing or two.

Well I have, but didn't find anything I didn't already know! (well, that screaming pink on a black background really hurts the eyes after just seconds of reading, but I could have guessed that myself)
Besides that is childplay stuff, nothing new or reveling there!
This is how you take the edge of something sinister, by cartoonifying it, silly people will think that this is how real satanism works!
I tell you its not!!!

F

[auron]

Look auron, cut down on the martian tobbaco,
:D

and listen to new thoughts that may teach you about the bigger picture of the world.
I'm listening. Please enlighten me with your superior wisdom.

[tiswas]

Well Auron, I take no drugs/drink/or anyelse which is bad, and with this as my weapons I feel i can see things as they soberly are.
Anton le vay is also a musicman, like your longhaired GH (why are you listening to old fogey music, Auron?) - the date is 2007 not 1967.
You mind has to absorb everything, not not ridiciolus mushrooms, which was the poison of the olden days.
Be like me auron, open minded, honest, stand up for decency and a good truthseeker.:)

[auron]

:rolleyes:

[i_am]

and humble too auron :D

[octopusrex]

Met old Anton back in San Fran when I was working at Guitar Center. In those days, I was still in my Neo-Nazi mode, and I asked him about the Nazis. He said he approached them to join up with him and they wouldn't have any of it.

I like the guy, but who the fuck knows what happens behind closed doors?

[kuro]

in my opinion this guy is more of a pseudo satanist, the joke-black metal type rather than one of the followers of satanism talked about in Icke's books. I've read parts of LaVey's book and seen the satanist commandments, pretty much the bibles commandments with a twist, a lot of the stuff he talks about is the same you get in all religions.

[octopusrex]

Anton believed in Anton.
The whole satanic thing was just a business for him.
Kinda like about a zillion rock-stars out there...

That have no fucking clue what they have invoked with their songs.

[seer74]

Anton LeVay wether knowingly or not has done a HUGE service to the truly sickening practice of authentic Satanism in provideing a smokescreen image of just what "Satanism" is.

His cotton-candy symbolic devil-worship seems and perhaps even IS harmless enough IN AND OF ITSELF. And this is the real danger of it considering the atrocity that now hides behind it.

Much like the way the Illuminati hide behind the harmless and often humanitarian activities of low-degree Freemasonry.

[kuro]

Anton LeVay wether knowingly or not has done a HUGE service to the truly sickening practice of authentic Satanism in provideing a smokescreen image of just what "Satanism" is.

His cotton-candy symbolic devil-worship seems and perhaps even IS harmless enough IN AND OF ITSELF. And this is the real danger of it considering the atrocity that now hides behind it.

Much like the way the Illuminati hide behind the harmless and often humanitarian activities of low-degree Freemasonry.


Great post! I never thought about it in that light

[seer74]

Thanks Kuro. Glad to be able to shed some Light.

[strider]

Anton LeVay wether knowingly or not has done a HUGE service to the truly sickening practice of authentic Satanism in provideing a smokescreen image of just what "Satanism" is.

His cotton-candy symbolic devil-worship seems and perhaps even IS harmless enough IN AND OF ITSELF. And this is the real danger of it considering the atrocity that now hides behind it.

Much like the way the Illuminati hide behind the harmless and often humanitarian activities of low-degree Freemasonry.

Yeah, well said, my thoughts exactly..

I come to a similar conclusion about Crowley. Fair enough, he did push it and genuinely practiced some pretty dark shit, but I just reckon he was a bit of a patsy and definitely a bit of a distraction..

[seer74]

Yeah, well said, my thoughts exactly..

I come to a similar conclusion about Crowley. Fair enough, he did push it and genuinely practiced some pretty dark shit, but I just reckon he was a bit of a patsy and definitely a bit of a distraction..

well, said Strider, though i do believe Crowley to have been much Greater in the Hierarchy then LeVay, they are much alike in haveing sweetened up their teaching on the surface. They both come off as advocates of human freedom from a certain perspective, yet a thorough examination of their rituals, and the deeds of their associates displays a clear adherance to the low-frequency energies that keep consciousness imprisoned and enslaved.

[seer74]

always sticks out in my mind how so many Laveyanists when they publicly defend themselves against the SRA never seem to want to allow for the possibility that anyone else is into SRA either

[davy26]

Hey...

Well... This is a great topic... I should have posted here, but I posted in the Crowley section...

Lavey, may have cotton candied his image down, by all the media things he did. But from my personal experience as a boy, Lavey was the real deal. I don't know what level, or how high up in the 'arch he was, I was just a lil boy, but he was involved in all the things you have heard about behind closed doors, he was involved in all those things you have read about that goes on during rituals, on solstices etc.

The one I was involved in, took place in the Kimball Castle in CO. I have seen a video from youtube, that spoke about it, which gave me chills and brought back many memories. Some still I havent accessed, so I dont know the full extent, of it all, but many things I do, it wasnt pretty. But he was involved... Def in it! Things def channeled through him, evil things.

[seer74]

Hey...

Well... This is a great topic... I should have posted here, but I posted in the Crowley section...

Lavey, may have cotton candied his image down, by all the media things he did. But from my personal experience as a boy, Lavey was the real deal. I don't know what level, or how high up in the 'arch he was, I was just a lil boy, but he was involved in all the things you have heard about behind closed doors, he was involved in all those things you have read about that goes on during rituals, on solstices etc.

The one I was involved in, took place in the Kimball Castle in CO. I have seen a video from youtube, that spoke about it, which gave me chills and brought back many memories. Some still I havent accessed, so I dont know the full extent, of it all, but many things I do, it wasnt pretty. But he was involved... Def in it! Things def channeled through him, evil things.

Well, Davy, that doesn't surprise me at all. There really are a LOT of Lavey's FOLLOWERS that are not the real deal at all, but I always figured Lavey HIMSELF probably was and created his "church" as a smokescreen. That would be why the lower ranks of his people are trained when defending "Satanism" to go at it as if SRA were not only something they aren't into themselves but in fact doesn't go on at all.

[seer74]

I've known victims of SRA. None of the ones I know about were directly connected to Lavey or his followers. I've also known Laveyanists that I really don't believe were into any of that. But for reasons I've explained your story, Davy, does not surprise me at all and I am certainly inclined to believe you. It all fits together too well.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1933&highlight=Church+Satan

This thread will tell you much

[ichi wa zen]

Anton La Vey is Gay, Evil and Ignorant.

You people are so dumb and gullible!

[paganus]

there is a HUGE difference between Satanism and devil-worship.i belive when most people talk of Satanism,they actually mean devil-worship.

[ichi wa zen]

there is a HUGE difference between Satanism and devil-worship.i belive when most people talk of Satanism,they actually mean devil-worship.

The Church of Satan is just a front to get more people interested in the occult.

La Vey is evil and ignorant, no doubt about it. Just look at his eyes. Eyes are the gateway to the soul. The guy is pure evil, anyone who believes he is not, is fooled by The Church of Satan.

La Vey definitely sacrificed kiddies with his mentor Crowley.

[eternal_spirit]

Anton La Vey is Gay, Evil and Ignorant.

You people are so dumb and gullible!

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Anton de Gay!

[drael]

to get more people interested in the occult

And what would be the purpose of this? (out of curiosity)

[ichi wa zen]

And what would be the purpose of this? (out of curiosity)

95% of the occult is evil and will allow demons to get access in your life. 95% of the occult is demon divinity. Dont fall for it!

[paganus]

95% of the occult is evil and will allow demons to get access in your life. 95% of the occult is demon divinity. Dont fall for it!95% of statistics are bullshit! i mean! PROVE that statement.which 95%? what if you missed something?your statistic would be false! which is the 5% thats ok? how long did you conduct this market research? who with? when? did you stand in the high street with a clipboard?

[damagedbrainn]

95% of the occult is evil and will allow demons to get access in your life. 95% of the occult is demon divinity. Dont fall for it!

That's true only 40% of the time though.

[drael]

95% of the occult is evil and will allow demons to get access in your life. 95% of the occult is demon divinity. Dont fall for it!

Oh yes, demons. Right, ill keep an eye out, thanks for your concern :rolleyes:

95% of people concerned about the occult are in fact worshipping demonic powers through fear and hatred which are their primary resources. 80% of people concerned about the occult are suffering from a christian mind-control hang-over. 70% of people concerned about the occult, know nothing at all about it.

99.9% of people concerned about the occult cannot recognise the difference between a god/unity/divinity/nature worshipping religion and a satanic one, and cant tell the difference between the intention of good will and the intention of evil - they are too distracted by perceived cultural/practice differences.

Its interesting that a spell to heal suffering, is considered evil because its a spell. And yet a prayer is perfectly safe - you can pray for the death of someone, and its still good, not satanic. I find this very confusing indeed.

[ichi wa zen]

My definition of 95% of the western occult stuff comes down to Cabalah, Pagan and Mystery Religions.....magic basically.

Some "nice" quotes from "The Demonic Bible by Magus Tsirk Susej"

"It is all too common to hear Satanists say things like “A Satanist would never kill a living creature.” These statements, made by those who want to promote a positive image of Satanism, are clearly erroneous and are based on a Christian morality.It would be much more Satanic to admit that magical power can be raised through human sacrifice and used to enhance the power of a destruction ritual but the legal dangers of killing another human being outweigh the added benefit the sacrifice would add to the ritual. This statement attaches no moral or ethical implications to the murder of another human being. If you kill for your country you are called a hero but if you kill someone who has wronged you then you are called a criminal. Satanists are superior. The masses exist to serve. The life of one Satanist is worth the lives of a hundred thousand men."

"The Demonic Bible is written upon parchment made from human flesh in ink made from human blood in a strange alien script, the language of the daemons, dark gods from a time before the creation of man. This dark book contains the magic of the Ancient Ones. Many of its rituals involve human sacrifice, cannibalism, rape, and torture."

[damagedbrainn]

My definition of 95% of the western occult stuff comes down to Cabalah, Pagan and Mystery Religions.....magic basically.

Some "nice" quotes from "The Demonic Bible by Magus Tsirk Susej"

"It is all too common to hear Satanists say things like “A Satanist would never kill a living creature.” These statements, made by those who want to promote a positive image of Satanism, are clearly erroneous and are based on a Christian morality.It would be much more Satanic to admit that magical power can be raised through human sacrifice and used to enhance the power of a destruction ritual but the legal dangers of killing another human being outweigh the added benefit the sacrifice would add to the ritual. This statement attaches no moral or ethical implications to the murder of another human being. If you kill for your country you are called a hero but if you kill someone who has wronged you then you are called a criminal. Satanists are superior. The masses exist to serve. The life of one Satanist is worth the lives of a hundred thousand men."

"The Demonic Bible is written upon parchment made from human flesh in ink made from human blood in a strange alien script, the language of the daemons, dark gods from a time before the creation of man. This dark book contains the magic of the Ancient Ones. Many of its rituals involve human sacrifice, cannibalism, rape, and torture."

Dude, if you really believe in the existence of a "Demonic Bible" written on human flesh, then I would say that you take the horror genre way too fuckin' seriously.

Watch out for that Necronomicon too.

[drael]

My definition of 95% of the western occult stuff comes down to Cabalah, Pagan and Mystery Religions.....magic basically.

Right. Did u read my post?

What is it about magick that is demonic BTW? (what part of magick practice, do u think, is satanic?) It seems the same ritual performed by a preist, in a church is not satanic, so what exactly is it that makes a "magick" ritual satanic? (or demonic). Whats the difference between a prayer for healing, or a chuch ritual, and a non-christian ritual for the same thing?

The Demonic Bible

Why would religion that predates christianity, that values this tradition call its holy book, "a bible"? Even modern satanists, like the temple of set, distance themselves from christian ideology. FYI Magicians/Occultists dont have a single book, they draw on multiple sources of ancient texts.

[cataleptik]

well, i am a jelsoft veteran, and i say a) satanists are liars. to decieve, mess with your mind, trick you, lay false pretenses, it's 'what they do.'

it's never joking or light hearted, always it's in service to the enemy of Creation, always it's in service to misery, the worst sorts of bottomless seeming fear and despair, nothingness and hopelessness and shame.


i was pleased because this is a jelsoft board so there is an 'ignore' feature.

i advise everyone to use this feature. someone getting on your nerves?
ignorance isn't bliss, but you can tailor-make your experience at this board.

[paganus]

to those who hate satanism: why,with the threads you've started, have you turned the DI forum into the 'beginners guide to Satanism?'

[tch0rt]

I am a practicing Satanist and a card carrying member of the church of Satan and dont belive in the christian theologys that are used by moden sociaty to mask the evil that men do, instead making ridiculous claims such as "the devil made me do it"

More people have died in christs name and in wars in the name of a makebelive god then for the ideas I hold close to my heart


before you pass judgement read the Satanic bible if your faith is firm enought then you have nothing to worry about

you all seem very intelligent until the subject hits religion then narrow minded bigotry seems to come out


For the record I am a Satanist NOT a Devil worshipper I dont belive in any Deity in the literal sence more that what exsist is like a force of nature that doesnt care what we do

[paganus]

I am a practicing Satanist and a card carrying member of the church of Satan and dont belive in the christian theologys that are used by moden sociaty to mask the evil that men do, instead making ridiculous claims such as "the devil made me do it"

More people have died in christs name and in wars in the name of a makebelive god then for the ideas I hold close to my heart


before you pass judgement read the Satanic bible if your faith is firm enought then you have nothing to worry about

you all seem very intelligent until the subject hits religion then narrow minded bigotry seems to come out


For the record I am a Satanist NOT a Devil worshipper I dont belive in any Deity in the literal sence more that what exsist is like a force of nature that doesnt care what we dotoo true! talk about programming!

[drael]

I am a practicing Satanist and a card carrying member of the church of Satan

You may be a satanist, but umm, the church of satan doesnt exist anymore? (It was suceeded by the temple of set)

I must say, this probably isnt the best place to admit to a psyche/ego/dominance based philosophy, or satanism. David icke has a unity philosophy, particularly against the dominance of the black magicians controlling our world. Theres also a fair few christians here these days.

I respect that we are a part of the same spiritual family (although its unlikely ur path would), as brothers on the path of knowledge. However, dominance philosophy has made life on this planet earth intolerable and in fact quite spiritually retarded. In a pyramid, only a few get the top position, the rest suffer.

I can only hope u recognise the place of unity, in your own expression of power and godhood, that ur power, is a symbol of the power of unity, or the universe (and while u say the universe has no will, how did u determine this? or was it merely taught) - then u will see that the right path needs room to breathe and have a right to exist. Souls incarnating on this planet are being refused the right to spirutal vision or choice. This is intolerable to the cosmos (ie as a force, not as a will), because this physical plane is part of a greater dimensional process essential to the health of the cosmos. This is the origin of the tower of babylon myth & the fall of atlantis.

This seems unlikely though, and as such, your pursuit of total personal power is a threat to all of us, and an example of that which causes a majority of suffering in the world. Here on the DI forum, u may be "in the wrong neighbourhood"....

The black path also teaches there is no rebound effects, that personal magick can defeat unity laws. However, your bindings and protections are not perfect, and leakage of this can (if one is actually paying attention) be detected after any black magick, especially after a series of powerful spells. Try it and watch closely - ull see.

Of course it may be ur just dabbling, which i hope. Either way, keep ur reading broad, and use YOUR OWN discernment to figure out whats wrong or right. If u use a church, and a bible, to figure the truth - ur no better than the christians in having a closed mind. IMO The modern black path has created a dogma, which has completely severed u from tradition, history or even natural law - it has disconnected u from the history of your own black path.

Of course, this is all my experience. I wont claim it universal truth. But i think its sound advice to say: dont copy, find ur own way.

Have u ever read crowley? it is the path of the magi, the path of wisdom that we ultimately seek, the left and right hands are only the beginining. Struggling against the tide of death, loss and suffering - against entropy, the collapse of stars, the power of the unverse to crush us like an ant - struggling againts reality, in the form of either goodness or powermorality, is a constant unending battle that does not find satisfaction. Wisdom, and acceptance are alternatives to both these choices, allowing one to accept ones losses or failures without pain, but with insight.

Say u dont like christianity - well guess what, it exists. It will continue to for some time. Theres no point in getting agitated too much, its the way things are. And, in that, we have a lesson. The lesson, not to get agitated. See, unity and divine will, is not so blind, it is a perfect harmony of forces. Enough such events, and we become detached from desire althoughter, and as such, no longer slaves to our constantly craving minds. This allows both our paths to transcend this insanity of constantly wanting that which we do not, or cannot have - and see these things instead, as expressions of divine will, lessons in wisdom. Desire is the last thing u want, as a mage.

[paganus]

the church of satan still exists,its run by Zeena Lavey,Anton's daughter.

[drael]

Really? Interesting, the temple of set claims that it disbanded and fell apart....

Do know if they have a website or anything?

[paganus]

Really? Interesting, the temple of set claims that it disbanded and fell apart....

Do know if they have a website or anything?the official website: http://www.churchofsatan.com

[drael]

:D thats classic. Typical left-hand in-fighting!

Church of satan:

Doesnt even look like a proper magickal tradition, more of a childish posturing against christianity - its kinda funny......

[tch0rt]

LOL left hand in fighting
a bit like the wars on the middle east christianity fighting against middle easten philosphys and religion to make way for the NWO to control everyone with there perversion of christianity

the Nazi philosophy was based on christianity and due to the fact that the NWO plan didnt come to fruition the Nazis were converted to be from the left hand path and now the forth Reich is taking control of europe under the guise of a unified currency and in america under the name The Order of Skull and Bones, once known as The Brotherhood of Death

""Those who spell Magic with a K aren't"" — Anton LaVey

[drael]

LOL left hand in fighting
a bit like the wars on the middle east christianity fighting against middle easten philosphys and religion to make way for the NWO to control everyone with there perversion of christianity

Well i wont argue against that, clearly both religion and conflict are nwo tools...

Hey, out of curiosity, what is the basis for la veys work? I know he draws on crowley (which i like), which is based on many different sources. Im not that familiar, but the church of satan website seemed quite based on christian mythology at a passing glance (which one would guess from the name i suppose). Or if u cant be bothered, u could point me to a link or something...

[paganus]

reading through the start of this,doesnt anyone else wish that Tis was still on this forum?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

How is this guy a patsy? He's totally proud of being a satan bloke.


Here's a Classic


:D



Man! Watch out for dem Satan Blokes! :eek:

[paganus]

she's a legend! bring back Tiswas!

[celtic isis]

This is one true satanist.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:NTqz_KdwE1gx7M:http://www.satanic-kindred.org/images/anton.jpg

He was a real mover and shaker in the US, and compared to Crowley this guy's dangerous.

he died, link here:

http://www.conspiracyworld.com/index0123.htm

his daughter is following in his footsteps. Nice.

another one is Michael Aquino, a senior US intelligence office and satanist. :eek:

[celtic isis]

Here's a Classic


:D



Man! Watch out for dem Satan Blokes! :eek:

hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! love it!!!!:D

satan bloke!

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
My definition of 95% of the western occult stuff comes down to Cabalah, Pagan and Mystery Religions.....magic basically.

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Agreed you cannot seperate occult from religion they both share same symbols and similar rituals.

Superstitious crap mostly, what's ironic is how many occultists dislike religion yet they are so the same.

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
My definition of 95% of the western occult stuff comes down to Cabalah, Pagan and Mystery Religions.....magic basically.

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Agreed you cannot seperate occult from religion they both share same symbols and similar rituals.

Superstitious crap mostly, what's ironic is how many occultists dislike religion yet they are so the same.

Your occult beliefs and practices would not even exist without religion.
Both occultist/religionists pray and do ritulas to invisible force which in reality do not exist.

It's oppos sames and your all fools.

[celtic isis]

Your occult beliefs and practices would not even exist without religion.
Both occultist/religionists pray and do ritulas to invisible force which in reality do not exist.

It's oppos sames and your all fools.

um...i think you will find that it DOES actually exist eternal :D

[eternal_spirit]

um...i think you will find that it DOES actually exist eternal :D
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That's what they want you to believe. Looks like they fooled you.

EDIT Just joking

[celtic isis]

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That's what they want you to believe. Looks like they fooled you.

EDIT Just joking

oooh pleeeeease ES!!!! :)

where's the old ES gone?!

[mrblitz]

if someone wants to look into authentic satanism, check out the '9 angels' variety... levay satanism is more about hedonism... the 9 angels types on the other hand are fanatical... the 'real deal' if there ever was one...

[eternal_spirit]

if someone wants to look into authentic satanism, check out the '9 angels' variety... levay satanism is more about hedonism... the 9 angels types on the other hand are fanatical... the 'real deal' if there ever was one...


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5243&highlight=black+mass

[devraj]

Hello to everyone this is my first post on this forum.
I just want to say that there is no LEVAY's satanism, there can be only LaVey's satanism because the founder of Church of Satan is Anton Szandor LaVey, who btw. wrote the Satanic Bible.
What I don't like about David Icke is that when he uses the term Satanism, it's not clear what does he mean under it, because there's not only one type of satanism, or similar idea that connects them all together.There are 3 (in some theories 4) types of satanism. Lavey's, Crowley's, Traditional and Spiritual Satanism.
Google it all, and you'll see that Icke is contaminating the term Satanism, which can be very deep and good concept of beliefs.
Sorry for possible grammar or spelling mistakes :D

[celtic isis]

Anton LeVay wether knowingly or not has done a HUGE service to the truly sickening practice of authentic Satanism in provideing a smokescreen image of just what "Satanism" is.

His cotton-candy symbolic devil-worship seems and perhaps even IS harmless enough IN AND OF ITSELF. And this is the real danger of it considering the atrocity that now hides behind it.

Much like the way the Illuminati hide behind the harmless and often humanitarian activities of low-degree Freemasonry.

WELL SAID!!! that's exactly it!

[celtic isis]

You may be a satanist, but umm, the church of satan doesnt exist anymore? (It was suceeded by the temple of set)

I must say, this probably isnt the best place to admit to a psyche/ego/dominance based philosophy, or satanism. David icke has a unity philosophy, particularly against the dominance of the black magicians controlling our world. Theres also a fair few christians here these days.

I respect that we are a part of the same spiritual family (although its unlikely ur path would), as brothers on the path of knowledge. However, dominance philosophy has made life on this planet earth intolerable and in fact quite spiritually retarded. In a pyramid, only a few get the top position, the rest suffer.

I can only hope u recognise the place of unity, in your own expression of power and godhood, that ur power, is a symbol of the power of unity, or the universe (and while u say the universe has no will, how did u determine this? or was it merely taught) - then u will see that the right path needs room to breathe and have a right to exist. Souls incarnating on this planet are being refused the right to spirutal vision or choice. This is intolerable to the cosmos (ie as a force, not as a will), because this physical plane is part of a greater dimensional process essential to the health of the cosmos. This is the origin of the tower of babylon myth & the fall of atlantis.

This seems unlikely though, and as such, your pursuit of total personal power is a threat to all of us, and an example of that which causes a majority of suffering in the world. Here on the DI forum, u may be "in the wrong neighbourhood"....

The black path also teaches there is no rebound effects, that personal magick can defeat unity laws. However, your bindings and protections are not perfect, and leakage of this can (if one is actually paying attention) be detected after any black magick, especially after a series of powerful spells. Try it and watch closely - ull see.

Of course it may be ur just dabbling, which i hope. Either way, keep ur reading broad, and use YOUR OWN discernment to figure out whats wrong or right. If u use a church, and a bible, to figure the truth - ur no better than the christians in having a closed mind. IMO The modern black path has created a dogma, which has completely severed u from tradition, history or even natural law - it has disconnected u from the history of your own black path.

Of course, this is all my experience. I wont claim it universal truth. But i think its sound advice to say: dont copy, find ur own way.

Have u ever read crowley? it is the path of the magi, the path of wisdom that we ultimately seek, the left and right hands are only the beginining. Struggling against the tide of death, loss and suffering - against entropy, the collapse of stars, the power of the unverse to crush us like an ant - struggling againts reality, in the form of either goodness or powermorality, is a constant unending battle that does not find satisfaction. Wisdom, and acceptance are alternatives to both these choices, allowing one to accept ones losses or failures without pain, but with insight.

Say u dont like christianity - well guess what, it exists. It will continue to for some time. Theres no point in getting agitated too much, its the way things are. And, in that, we have a lesson. The lesson, not to get agitated. See, unity and divine will, is not so blind, it is a perfect harmony of forces. Enough such events, and we become detached from desire althoughter, and as such, no longer slaves to our constantly craving minds. This allows both our paths to transcend this insanity of constantly wanting that which we do not, or cannot have - and see these things instead, as expressions of divine will, lessons in wisdom. Desire is the last thing u want, as a mage.

what a post, such words of wisdom, and spoken by someone who knows.

[eternal_spirit]

well, i am a jelsoft veteran, and i say a) satanists are liars. to decieve, mess with your mind, trick you, lay false pretenses, it's 'what they do.'

it's never joking or light hearted, always it's in service to the enemy of Creation, always it's in service to misery, the worst sorts of bottomless seeming fear and despair, nothingness and hopelessness and shame.


i was pleased because this is a jelsoft board so there is an 'ignore' feature.

i advise everyone to use this feature. someone getting on your nerves?
ignorance isn't bliss, but you can tailor-make your experience at this board.
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Glad to see someone's making sense after reading through the last few pages I was getting worried. (the let's blame the Christians crew where doing their rounds)

Satanism attracts control freaks, and they like to shock and upset mock others who are innocents/good people, this is a trait of a psychopath. Did Jesus or buddha teach to do these things, NO! This is why satanists mock Christ and people who practice his teachings.

[thirdwave]

Your occult beliefs and practices would not even exist without religion.


you need to turn that around and say that religions would not exsist if it was not for the occult... as all religions are just smoke screens for true and real occult knowledge, with little segments of it appearing through the religious symbolism, only seen by a few...... and its made to offer people a steady footing while there souls and spirits remain stagnant and ignorant and extremely easy to manipulate and control...

You know the cross of Jesus right?... have you ever wondered if it has anything to do with the Zodiac?... much like the old Celtic Druids had?... and like the Rosicrucian's and Golden Dawn have?

or do you think that its just a coincidence?

(please don't answer with a thread any longer than what I have typed as I wont read it)

[weareinfinitelove]

I am becoming increasingly more interested in the "occult". This "hidden knowledge" or universal truth as I see it can be found in many places. I feel it is dressed up in many different clothes.. "opposites" but ultimately there is something fundamentally that different people come to understand that is universal and different people may have come across the hidden knowledge in apparent "opposite" places..."opposite" schools of thought. So they cling to/HAIL the practice they have stumbled across and worship this only. Dismissing other sources of this hidden knowledge, as they have already found what "works".

I'm not explaining this very well but perhaps this will help..

I went to speak to a wizard who calls himself a "ditch witch" in a shop in Manchester. I liked him, but found him very condescending. Full of his own self importance and unwilling to accept the fact that anything outside his box could be important for his growth. I spoke about bohemian grove and his sarcastic reply was "oh is that where they are supposed to go and turn into giant lizards and eat babies?" Also we spoke briefly about Scientology , of which I have had 1st hand experience- and I said how there was this universal/occult(covered up) knowledge that existed at the heart of scientolgy which is why "it works" Yet it was made to make money.
The man then started ranting "you know why??!!...cos L.Ron Hubbard stole all of it from Crowley..we at the OTO still want OUR yaht back!"

This saddened me, And I felt hopelessness, as this was supposed to be someone who was very "open minded" yet because all he sees is his order, he misses the fact that truth is truth and can not be stolen. Only used for Evil or good.

For the people or against the people..

So he has automatically closed himself off from looking at the likes of david icke and "conspiracies" he is so wrapped up in his own cult that everything else must surely be nonsense. I found it difficult to suggest to him that the power of the fundamental knowledge that he understands, and KNOWS to 'work" is used against us on mass.

He's pitched his tent (for now)..and thats where he is staying. The arrogance is limiting him from going any further down the road.
This worries me as people like this, should be easy to wake up to what is going on in the world, and could be so valuable in helping to bring it to an end.

I also for some reason feel that the people who are capable of getting through to these people and bridging the knowledge between the different worlds are a rare breed.

I feel that when this knowledge is used against the people for evil agendas... then it is Evil. And to me it seems logical that the people who are succeeding in this world esp for generations will be using this knowledge for evil means. Dabbling with evil spirits? Connected. And the "evil spirits" have now taken control. One IS the other...

hmmm

[thirdwave]

I am becoming increasingly more interested in the "occult". This "hidden knowledge" or universal truth as I see it can be found in many places. I feel it is dressed up in many different clothes.. "opposites" but ultimately there is something fundamentally that different people come to understand that is universal and different people may have come across the hidden knowledge in apparent "opposite" places..."opposite" schools of thought. So they cling to/HAIL the practice they have stumbled across and worship this only. Dismissing other sources of this hidden knowledge, as they have already found what "works".

I'm not explaining this very well but perhaps this will help..

I went to speak to a wizard who calls himself a "ditch witch" in a shop in Manchester. I liked him, but found him very condescending. Full of his own self importance and unwilling to accept the fact that anything outside his box could be important for his growth. I spoke about bohemian grove and his sarcastic reply was "oh is that where they are supposed to go and turn into giant lizards and eat babies?" Also we spoke briefly about Scientology , of which I have had 1st hand experience- and I said how there was this universal/occult(covered up) knowledge that existed at the heart of scientolgy which is why "it works" Yet it was made to make money.
The man then started ranting "you know why??!!...cos L.Ron Hubbard stole all of it from Crowley..we at the OTO still want OUR yaht back!"

This saddened me, And I felt hopelessness, as this was supposed to be someone who was very "open minded" yet because all he sees is his order, he misses the fact that truth is truth and can not be stolen. Only used for Evil or good.

For the people or against the people..

So he has automatically closed himself off from looking at the likes of david icke and "conspiracies" he is so wrapped up in his own cult that everything else must surely be nonsense. I found it difficult to suggest to him that the power of the fundamental knowledge that he understands, and KNOWS to 'work" is used against us on mass.

He's pitched his tent (for now)..and thats where he is staying. The arrogance is limiting him from going any further down the road.
This worries me as people like this, should be easy to wake up to what is going on in the world, and could be so valuable in helping to bring it to an end.

I also for some reason feel that the people who are capable of getting through to these people and bridging the knowledge between the different worlds are a rare breed.

I feel that when this knowledge is used against the people for evil agendas... then it is Evil. And to me it seems logical that the people who are succeeding in this world esp for generations will be using this knowledge for evil means. Dabbling with evil spirits? Connected. And the "evil spirits" have now taken control. One IS the other...

hmmm

Good post

very relevant to why Magick can get messy...

You do get allot of people who are into the occult who have egos... and are competitive...

this is silly as all the good teachers warn you away from that but people tend to want to the star of the show so to speak...

its to do with the state of human nature more than the occult if you ask me...

I am also very inspired by magick at the moment and i want to learn more and more about it... but I will never turn it into a power trip or a competition...

I want to learn about it for knowledge to help look after my self and if I can the people around me....

its all about looking after the higher self and stay concious!

that being said... you can learn from negative people... because you can see effects...

Never let anyone tell you how magick is done... as everyone is different and will have their own relationship.... do what works for you.... and just learn as much about it as you possibly can because the occult (hidden knowledge) is very very important knowledge!

[izzy]

love ya