Colloidal silver

[dalem]

Has anyone on forum used Colloidal silver?
I would be interested in your findings.

And is the Video below a rare occurence of using Colloidal silver?

The Dangers of Colloidal Silver - YouTube

[winegums]

No video, but I take it it was about argyria (http://whatstheharm.net/colloidalsilver.html)?

It's hard to say how common that symptom is, but it's a pretty brutal one. Why would you even want to take colloidal silver?

[dalem]

No video, but I take it it was about argyria (http://whatstheharm.net/colloidalsilver.html)?

It's hard to say how common that symptom is, but it's a pretty brutal one. Why would you even want to take colloidal silver?
Well I read that it is a good antibacterial, antimicrobial, antiparasitic. Are you against it's use ?
Not sure why Vid does'nt show sometimes. Just went to edit then saved again then it shows. Yes it was about argyria

[dalem]

No video, but I take it it was about argyria (http://whatstheharm.net/colloidalsilver.html)?

It's hard to say how common that symptom is, but it's a pretty brutal one. Why would you even want to take colloidal silver?
Holy S### I just looked at your link, no way do I wanna turn grey or blue. Might be one of those things to stay away from. Thanks.

[21_12_2012]

Has anyone on forum used Colloidal silver?
I would be interested in your findings.

Ignore winegums. He/she is full of shit.

I've been making colloidal silver myself for months, it's one of the best overall health products a person can use.

And is the Video below a rare occurence of using Colloidal silver?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahihGKZC5Kk&feature=player_embedded

An extremely rare occurance. It's what happens when a person drinks literally litres of non-pure colloidal silver.

That guy is the example that 'they' constantly use to put fear into people about colloidal silver.

[21_12_2012]

No video, but I take it it was about argyria (http://whatstheharm.net/colloidalsilver.html)?

ooo what an authentic-looking webpage.
NOT.

It's hard to say how common that symptom is,

That's right. Because it doesn't exist except in 1 or 2 people in the whole world out of the millions of users of colloidal silver.

but it's a pretty brutal one.

Scaremongering against cures that work ? That's not like you ! (NOT)

Why would you even want to take colloidal silver?

ermm... because it cures things.

[21_12_2012]

Holy S### I just looked at your link, no way do I wanna turn grey or blue. Might be one of those things to stay away from. Thanks.

Forget the link.
It's as full of it as winegums.

[winegums]

An extremely rare occurance. It's what happens when a person drinks literally litres of non-pure colloidal silver.

That guy is the example that 'they' constantly use to put fear into people about colloidal silver.

How rare? I take it you've done studies to show that this only happens when large quantities of CS are taken?

Colloidal silver is an unfortunate relic of the days of miracle tonics and other such quackery from the early 20th century. Ultimately the decision is yours, op, but as far as I'm aware there is no evidence of colloidal silver having any medicinal benefits, and clearly there's a risk associated with using it.

[21_12_2012]

How rare? I take it you've done studies to show that this only happens when large quantities of CS are taken?

Actually, it's when large doses of IMPURE colloidal silver are taken.

I take it you've done studies to show this has ever happened at all in the world ever, apart from the 1 case on your crappy corrupt link (and the 2 other people on the link who look fake) ?

Colloidal silver is an unfortunate relic of the days of miracle tonics and other such quackery from the early 20th century.

Actually, as you well know, it is a highly successful substance from before the days of the FDA and bigpharma taking over and creating the modern Health (death and poison) Industry.

Ultimately the decision is yours, op, but as far as I'm aware there is no evidence of colloidal silver having any medicinal benefits, and clearly there's a risk associated with using it.

Total shite.

Just check www.curezone.com or in fact any genuine 'alternative health' website, and see the hundreds/thousands of successfull cases/uses of colloidal silver.

[muddyleopard]

a lot safer than anything WHO recommends. anyway, what's wrong with blue skin (unless you're a junkie)? Imagine being able to come out with the line "is it because I'm blue"? You could probably shag lots of Krishna devotees named Yoshod. Blue is the new black.

[winegums]

Numbers why is it you can't argue an issue? Every time someone posts something you disagree with you huff and puff and ignore the science behind it and attack the source and brush off everything as "big pharma corrupt murdering poisoning shills...", it makes you come across as a bit nuts.

And with your link we go back to the same problems with anecdote, self reporting bias, misdiagnosis, etc. What if I were to round up all the people who are fine and healthy thanks to big pharma drugs? Do I win since they outnumber the number of people who get better thanks to colloidal silver? Or is it maybe a bit more complicated than that?

[21_12_2012]

Colloidal silver is an unfortunate relic of the days of miracle tonics and other such quackery from the early 20th century. Ultimately the decision is yours, op, but as far as I'm aware there is no evidence of colloidal silver having any medicinal benefits, and clearly there's a risk associated with using it.

Here's some proper information, just to show everyone how good colloidal silver is, and how it's been used successfully since before the FDA corruption took over.

taken from the book "The Use of Colloids in Health and Disease", by Dr. Alfred B. Searle, of Searle Pharmaceutical fame, published in 1919

Colloidal Silver


When prepared under suitable conditions and properly protected, colloidal silver sol is quite stable even in the presence of salts and of the normal constituents of the blood. Its destructive actions on toxins is very marked, so that it will protect rabbits from ten times the lethal dose of tetanic or diptheric toxin...Colloidal silver has been used with marked success in the following cases, cited by C.E.A. MacLeaod:


* septic and follicular tonsilitis

* Vincent's angina

* phlyctenular conjunctivitis

* gonorrhoeal conjunctivitis

* spring catarrh

* impetigo (contagious acne of face and body)

* septic ulcers of legs

* ringworm of body

* tinea versicolor

* soft sores

* suppurative appendicitis after operations

* pustular exzema of scalp and pubes

* chronic eczema of meatus of ear with recurrent boils

* chronic eczema of anterior nares

* offensive discharge in case of chronic suppuration in otitis media

* bromidrosis of feet

* axillae and blind boils of neck

Sir James Cantlie has found it particularly effective in cases of sprue, dysentery, and intestinal troubles.


...A. Legge Roe regards stable colloidal silver as a most useful preparation in ophthalmic practice, and particularly in cases of:


* gonorrhoeal ophthalmia,

* purulent ophthalmia of infants,

* infected ulcers of the cornea and hypopyon ulcer (tapping of the interior chamber and cautery, and other operative procedures being now rarely required, whilst if perforation does occur it is smaller and more manageable),

* interstitial keratitis, blepharitis, dacryocystitis, and burns and other wounds of the cornea.

According to this authority, the great chemosis which usually accompanies the use of silver nitrate is avoided and, in his opinion, if colloidal silver were adopted in every case of purulent ophthalmia of infants, "there would be no such thing as impaired sight or blindness from this cause."


...Sir Malcolm Morris has found that colloidal silver is free from the drawbacks of other preparations of silver, viz. the pain caused and the discoloration of the skin; indeed, instead of producing irritation it has a distinctly soothing effect. It rapidly subdues inflammation and promotes the healing of lesions. He has had remarkable results in enlarged prostate with irritation of the bladder, in pruritis ani and perineal eczema, and in haemorrhoids.


J. Mark Hovell has found colloidal silver beneficial for permanently restoring the potency of the Eustachian tubes and for reducing nasopharyngeal catarrh.


Colloidal silver has also been used successfully in septic conditions of the mouth (including tonsilitis and quinsies), ear (including Menier's symptoms and closure to Valsava's inflation), and in generalized septicemia, leucorrhoea, cystitis, whopping cough, and shingles.


...Collosol argentum [a older commercial form of colloidal silver -- ED] has also proved useful in influenza, both as a prophylactic and for curative purposes when applied as a spray to the nostrils, for bathing the eyes, and as a gargle for the throat.


B. Seymour Jones has used an intranasal spray of colloidal silver in ca case of cerebro-spinal meningitis. He has also used colloidal silver with marked advantage in several cases of rhinitis and oedematous enlargement of the posterior ends of the middle and inferior turbinates with true hyperplasia.


http://colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-colloidal-silver-was-used-by.html

And here is the book that the information was taken from:-
The Use of Colloids in Health and Disease: Amazon.co.uk: Searle: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lomgd07EL.@@AMEPARAM@@51lomgd07EL

[21_12_2012]

Numbers why is it you can't argue an issue? Every time someone posts something you disagree with you huff and puff and ignore the science behind it and attack the source and brush off everything as "big pharma corrupt murdering poisoning shills...", it makes you come across as a bit nuts.

I've just posted information about colloidal silver, which actually makes you look nuts. You shill.

And with your link we go back to the same problems with anecdote, self reporting bias, misdiagnosis, etc. What if I were to round up all the people who are fine and healthy thanks to big pharma drugs?

They would all fit into the back of a mini.

Do I win since they outnumber the number of people who get better thanks to colloidal silver? Or is it maybe a bit more complicated than that?

You win the prize of being the most obvious and crappest shill to ever hit the David Icke forum. How's that ?!

[winegums]

A quote from a book that you got from a website that sells colloidal silver won't cut it (little bit of a giant conflict of interest...). Got any medical trials showing efficacy/safety?

[thelucifer]

Has anyone on forum used Colloidal silver?
I would be interested in your findings.

And is the Video below a rare occurence of using Colloidal silver?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahihGKZC5Kk&feature=player_embedded

Dalem, winegums is COMPLETELY ignorant, and the blue guy tried to turn himself blue, he used tap water (a big no no) and drank tons of it, on purpose.

There are plenty of threads to look back on, I did a thread about me curing pinkeye, do have a look back through some threads.

[dunadan]

Has anyone on forum used Colloidal silver?
I would be interested in your findings.

And is the Video below a rare occurence of using Colloidal silver?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahihGKZC5Kk&feature=player_embedded

Obviously it should be used sparingly :eek: - as an alternative to antibiotics (one wouldnt want to abuse those - so dont abuse CS!).

Also many royals and nobles used silver (or used silver table-ware etc.) and I believe that is where the phrase 'blue blood' came from.

Both my partner and I have used CS, yet much prefer homeopathy etc.

[21_12_2012]

A quote from a book that you got from a website that sells colloidal silver won't cut it (little bit of a giant conflict of interest...). Got any medical trials showing efficacy/safety?

Actually, if you'd read the post properly, you'd see that the book was written in 1919, by Dr. Searle, and it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the website selling colloidal silver.

How could it...when it was written in... erm...1919....when...erm...websites weren't invented.

You must try harder winegums... you're getting nowhere with your disinfo on here.

[dunadan]

Well I read that it is a good antibacterial, antimicrobial, antiparasitic. Are you against it's use ?
Not sure why Vid does'nt show sometimes. Just went to edit then saved again then it shows. Yes it was about argyria

Yes is good for such if used sparingly and when in acute phase of illness etc. A better alternative than antibiotics (but only if purchased from a reputable supplier/manufacturer and in the correct particulate size). I dont know why this guy would want to take it everyday - also did he 'growd' his own??

[21_12_2012]

Got any medical trials showing efficacy/safety?

Yes, plenty thanks !

[thelucifer]

Obviously it should be used sparingly :eek: - as an alternative to antibiotics (one wouldnt want to abuse those - so dont abuse CS!).

Also many royals and nobles used silver (or used silver table-ware etc.) and I believe that is where the phrase 'blue blood' came from.

Both my partner and I have used CS, yet much prefer homeopathy etc.

You cant turn blue from properly made colloidal silver, you could drink tons every day for years and not turn blue.

The skin turns blue because people make it wrong, with large particles, the body stores those large particles in the skin.
That cant happen with small particles.

[21_12_2012]

You cant turn blue from properly made colloidal silver, you could drink tons every day for years and not turn blue.

The skin turns blue because people make it wrong, with large particles, the body stores those large particles in the skin.
That cant happen with small particles.

Correct, and if impure silver is used, the other metals could cause a problem.

I've drunk 2 mouthfuls of 0.9999 fine colloidal silver every day for countless months now, first thing in the morning and last thing at night and even rinse my mouth with colloidal silver after brushing my teeth.

It's harmless, and very beneficial.

All it takes is for people to search and find the thousands of successful testimonies all over the world from people using colloidal silver.

[from beyond]

Correct, and if impure silver is used, the other metals could cause a problem.

I've drunk 2 mouthfuls of 0.9999 fine colloidal silver every day for countless months now, first thing in the morning and last thing at night and even rinse my mouth with colloidal silver after brushing my teeth.

It's harmless, and very beneficial.

All it takes is for people to search and find the thousands of successful testimonies all over the world from people using colloidal silver.

agree...it is wonderful....!!!!:D

[dalem]

Thanks to 21_12_2012, from beyond, thelucifer, muddyleopard, dunadan. Much needed info.
:)
winegums can eat one of my turds !

[lw71]

Thanks to 21_12_2012, from beyond, thelucifer, muddyleopard, dunadan. Much needed info.
:)
winegums can eat one of my turds !

Do you think that would be more beneficial for him than CS ???!?!??!!!

[winegums]

Well this is a shame. OP there's really no benefit to colloidal silver, and it's sad that you'd rather listen to the mob opinion then to ask for actual evidence of safety and efficacy.

But it's your money/health, I suppose you'll do with it what you want.

[thelucifer]

Do you think that would be more beneficial for him than CS ???!?!??!!!

Well, I dont see how it would hurt, he's got the garbage out thing going for him. :D




Perhaps he might look into it and actually figure it out.

[thelucifer]

Well this is a shame. OP there's really no benefit to colloidal silver, and it's sad that you'd rather listen to the mob opinion then to ask for actual evidence of safety and efficacy.

But it's your money/health, I suppose you'll do with it what you want.

Silver is NOT considered a heavy metal because its NOT toxic to the body.

[thelucifer]

Well this is a shame. OP there's really no benefit to colloidal silver, and it's sad that you'd rather listen to the mob opinion then to ask for actual evidence of safety and efficacy.

But it's your money/health, I suppose you'll do with it what you want.

BTW, hospitals use CS to cure conjunctivitis in babies.

I cured my own pinkeye basically for free !!!


Its so safe you can put it in you eyes. sheesh :rolleyes:

[dalem]

Well this is a shame. OP there's really no benefit to colloidal silver, and it's sad that you'd rather listen to the mob opinion then to ask for actual evidence of safety and efficacy.

But it's your money/health, I suppose you'll do with it what you want.

I would'nt say mob rule there are some very clever and educated people on forum who offer good advice.

Well if you are really kind and considerate can you show proof of it being unsafe and does'nt produce the desired affects. One or two blue/grey people does'nt prove something isn't safe. As with all medicines/supplements even food if you misuse it you could cause problems.

[2013]

i have used CS to good effect with no side effects .Heres two uses of silver in these links . more info if you click second link :D

http://www.auravita.com/product/Elastoplast-Silver-Healing-Plasters.BEIE10931.html

http://int.hansaplast.com/med-info/wound-care-beautiful-healing/silver-tech.html
Down through history, silver has been used for treating a variety of diseases, mostly infections. Even in ancient Greece and Rome it has been used to disinfect water and food, but also for the treatment of burns and wounds as a wound dressing. Silver solutions were approved in the 1920s by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for use as antibacterial agents. Today, silver-containing wound dressings are well established for clinical wound care.


The advantages of silver as an antiseptic
In comparison to other antiseptics, silver has its advantage in being effective on a broad range of germs even in small concentrations and over a long period of time, and this being non-toxic at the same time.

well-established efficacy
proven broad-spectrum antiseptic effect
pro-healing effect
grants excellent skin compatibility
skin friendly

Silver for wound care – the antiseptic action


Silver ions are highly active and penetrate bacterial membranes rapidly. They interact with enzymes and other proteins in bacteria, causing cellular distortion and loss of viability. Furthermore silver ions interact with the bacterial cell wall and bind to bacterial DNA and RNA causing an inhibition of bacterial replication. Clinical studies clearly demonstrate that silver provides a significant inhibition of a wide range of germs.

[21_12_2012]

Well this is a shame. OP there's really no benefit to colloidal silver, and it's sad that you'd rather listen to the mob opinion then to ask for actual evidence of safety and efficacy.

But it's your money/health, I suppose you'll do with it what you want.

Do you ever get the feeling that no one's taking a blind bit of notice of you ?

:D

[dalem]

Do you ever get the feeling that no one's taking a blind bit of notice of you ?


:D
LMAO !:D
Where do you get those avatars they crack me up everytime I see them:D

[21_12_2012]

LMAO !:D
Where do you get those avatars they crack me up everytime I see them:D

hah yahoo images usually.

I'm a massive bo selecta fan.

[blackster]

21_12_2012 ya avatars minge is kicking out a right pong ohhhhh :D;)

[21_12_2012]

21_12_2012 ya avatars minge is kicking out a right pong ohhhhh :D;)

ewwww...crab paste...
I've still got it.... it neva left mi.....

[winegums]

I would'nt say mob rule there are some very clever and educated people on forum who offer good advice.

If the advice comes from nothing then it is mob rule. If there's proof behind it, then it has substance, but if you're just going to listen to the biggest and loudest group then you won't get anywhere...


Well if you are really kind and considerate can you show proof of it being unsafe and does'nt produce the desired affects. One or two blue/grey people does'nt prove something isn't safe. As with all medicines/supplements even food if you misuse it you could cause problems.

Onus of proof lies with the proponent. If someone is suggesting a miracle cure, they have to show it's all it claims to be. What have you been told is so great about CS, and how do you know it's true?

I really recommend looking at Rosemary Jacob's website (http://www.rosemaryjacobs.com/), it has quite a few links on it to various people, such as this guy (http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA363388).

[disorder2k8]

I did a lot of reading on this and I dont recommend it at all. Just another of those 'fix all' remedies that people will keep wasting their money on. However I am very saddened at the price of normal medicines which is why most people would even try something else to begin with.

[dunadan]

You cant turn blue from properly made colloidal silver, you could drink tons every day for years and not turn blue.

The skin turns blue because people make it wrong, with large particles, the body stores those large particles in the skin.
That cant happen with small particles.

I know, that is what I was hinting at, that guy made his own - what a wally!

Thanks for pointing it out though.

The issue can also be that over use - of the correctly prepared types - can just end up with decreased efficacy. As with all things such requires balance and moderation.

One must source a product with the correct small/sub particle size and use appropriately.

Buyer beware!:)

[21_12_2012]

If the advice comes from nothing then it is mob rule.

But the advice doesn't "come from nothing" does it.

It's been successfully used for over a century. All those hundreds of thousands of people were wrong eh, and you're right.

Try harder winegums.

If there's proof behind it, then it has substance, but if you're just going to listen to the biggest and loudest group then you won't get anywhere...

As you well know, there's proof behind it, and there has been for over 100 years, so change the record. No one wants your bigpharma poisons.

Onus of proof lies with the proponent.

It's been proved time and time again. As you well know.

And i'm sure the people reading this can manage a simple search in yahoo or google with a few keywords such as colloidal silver benefits or colloidal silver cure and history of colloidal silver and find that it is indeed all it claims to be and more.

If someone is suggesting a miracle cure, they have to show it's all it claims to be.

Hm..yeh..like bigpharma would allow any 'official' testing on it. Sure. That's what bigpharma want, everyone cured and never buying their drugs...:rolleyes:

The testimonies of hundreds of thousands of people out-weigh any corrupt bigpharma test, and i'm sure everyone will agree.

I really recommend looking at Rosemary Jacob's website (http://www.rosemaryjacobs.com/),

My 7 year old niece could throw together a better website than that. Is that a site made by shills or just for shills to link to ?

You should tellem to make it look a bit more authentic anyway.

it has quite a few links on it to various people, such as this guy (http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA363388).

Hooray, you've found one (highly questionable)person who says "dont waste your money, its not proven to be safe"... out of...how many hundreds of thousands of successful colloidal silver users...?!

Try harder winegums... very poor.

[madgoone]

colloidal silver was keeping a botched root canal tooth from reinfecting for about a year ,i stopped taking it for a month and gained a large abscess under my jaw for my troubles and was told by a friends dad (chemist)that it was iodine causing swoollen glands, i listened to the bloke (big f'ing mistake)i was getting hot and cold chills and it spread to my neck inflaming my neck muscles got worried and drank 500ml 5ppm and next day my neck was normal and the abscess had shrunk.I went to the dentist to have it pulled and got lots of antibiotics(6 a day) aswell could not take the risk of septicemia,the dentist told me to i Must continue to take silver aswell .SILVER WORKS its just the dose you have to work out in relation to the problem:)

[21_12_2012]

I did a lot of reading on this and I dont recommend it at all. Just another of those 'fix all' remedies that people will keep wasting their money on. However I am very saddened at the price of normal medicines which is why most people would even try something else to begin with.

You did a lot of reading in the wrong places then.

Ever been on www.curezone.com where people actually discuss cures ?

Ever wonder why it has been used for over a century, and supressed by BigPharma and the FDA ?

Ever wonder why 'they' wont go near it to even publish the reasons why it's supposedly not safe ?

It's the same story as MMS (chlorine dioxide), both are suppressed because they both work miracles.

FFS its so obvious.

Ever wonder why people like winegums go out of their way to spend all day on forums like this purposely debunking stuff that works, and promoting stuff like poisonous vaccines, poisonous medications, tortuous cancer treatments ?

Just check winegums post history out, you'll see why he/she is here.

[psketti]

Ever wonder why people like winegums go out of their way to spend all day on forums like this purposely debunking stuff that works, and promoting stuff like poisonous vaccines, poisonous medications, tortuous cancer treatments ?

Just check winegums post history out, you'll see why he/she is here.

Good advice.

[dunadan]

colloidal silver was keeping a botched root canal tooth from reinfecting for about a year ,i stopped taking it for a month and gained a large abscess under my jaw for my troubles and was told by a friends dad (chemist)that it was iodine causing swoollen glands, i listened to the bloke (big f'ing mistake)i was getting hot and cold chills and it spread to my neck inflaming my neck muscles got worried and drank 500ml 5ppm and next day my neck was normal and the abscess had shrunk.I went to the dentist to have it pulled and got lots of antibiotics(6 a day) aswell could not take the risk of septicemia,the dentist told me to i Must continue to take silver aswell .SILVER WORKS its just the dose you have to work out in relation to the problem:)

Yes my partner had very similar experience!

She/we now has a wonderful holistic/mercury free dentist which also supports complimentary therapies, and where/when required antibiotics - all about appropriatness really.

A homeopath I know has avoided antibiotics - for major dental work - by using CS, homeopathy and citricidel. I successfully treated my dad for a tooth abcess - until he could get dental treatment - using such.

:)

[winegums]

But the advice doesn't "come from nothing" does it.

It's been successfully used for over a century. All those hundreds of thousands of people were wrong eh, and you're right.

Try harder winegums.

As you well know, there's proof behind it, and there has been for over 100 years, so change the record. No one wants your bigpharma poisons.

It's been proved time and time again. As you well know.


Argument from tradition. "We've always sacrificed a virgin to keep the volcano from erupting", "we've always treated fevers with bloodletting". Logical fallacy, please try harder.


Hm..yeh..like bigpharma would allow any 'official' testing on it. Sure. That's what bigpharma want, everyone cured and never buying their drugs...:rolleyes:

The testimonies of hundreds of thousands of people out-weigh any corrupt bigpharma test, and i'm sure everyone will agree.

Yes, big pharma control all testing in the world. Nobody else could possibly run a clinical trial, because the all powerful big pharma can stop it. Of course, for some reason they can't get an outright ban on colloidal silver.... :rolleyes:

Don't be silly.

And no, testimonies don't count as evidence nearly as strongly as clinical trials do. People will testify that their wounds were healed by Jesus, or by bloodletting, or by a thousand other things. Clear clinical evidence is what matters, not self-reporting self-diagnosed symptoms and self-diagnosed cures in uncontrolled circumstances.



My 7 year old niece could throw together a better website than that. Is that a site made by shills or just for shills to link to ?

You should tellem to make it look a bit more authentic anyway.

So you're actually denying that she has argyria? Or are you complaining that an elderly woman who made a website to tell the world about her medical condition isn't up to date with web 2.0 and hasn't even included her twitter or facebook pages on there? Don't be so pathetic, either address the information or shut up.


Hooray, you've found one (highly questionable)person who says "dont waste your money, its not proven to be safe"... out of...how many hundreds of thousands of successful colloidal silver users...?!

Try harder winegums... very poor.

So he's highly questionable just because he goes against what you think? Also how do you know there are hundreds of thousands of colloidal silver users?
How do you know they are successful?

[dalem]

This document contains the original text of the EPA's study of silver consumption which documents the relationship between the amount of silver ingested and the risk of argyria, as well as fully documenting all pertinent toxilogical information concerning the use of silver in the human body. Please note that all the data accumulated was done so by studying silver compounds, and not EIS.

Several things MUST be made clear and fully understood in order to complete an accurate and comprehensive evaluation of the EPA's colloidal silver toxicity report:

Colloidal Silver, as a term used in our documents, includes isolated silver solutions ( silver ions ) and minute silver particles sized at between .0003 - .05 microns in diameter, which, in original state, are NOT bound to any other elements, are sustained in pure distilled water, and are not stabilized using proteins, salts, or other substances. The anion for the silver ions is predominantly OH- ( a very small amount of carbonate may serve as anions ).

This definition is important for several reasons. Formulations in this state respond differently in the body than the silver compounds or stabilized ionic solutions, if for no other reason than the extreme difference in the concentration of actual silver. The mainstream belief that all "colloidal silver" should fall under the same classification is erroneous. Therefore, not all products can be equally considered when considering the risk of argyria.

There are two points to be made regarding this. One, the amount of actual silver content in an "isolated" colloidal silver is truly negligable in comparison to silver compound products. Two, it has not been demonstrated, nor should it be assumed, that "isolated" colloidal silver products respond in the same manner as do compounds in the human body.

There have been no long term studies done in the human body regarding the safety or true efficacy of isolated colloidal silver. However, careful examination of studies done with silver salts, compounds, and proteins can give a very clear idea of how much silver is required for toxicity in the human body ( the most common manifestation being argyria ).

Most of the material listed here regarding toxicity applies to silver in general, and is provided for the benefit of providing a complete knowledge base. The reader should always keep in mind that if isolated colloidal silver products DID respond in the body in the same manner as silver compounds, then there would be hundreds if not thousands of severe cases of argyria ( a cosmetic condition ) reported in the United States at this time.

Emphasis added to the following document below is ours.

...Silver in the News...

Sars VirusA Silver polymer which releases silver ions ( Ag+ ) was found to be effective against the SARS virus:
“ We tested the compound against a four-hour, eight- hour, and 24-hour exposure period and found no surviving SARS virus upon 24 hours of exposure to the polymer...”
- Zhang Panhe, professor at the Chinese Academy of Military Medical Sciences
Read More: Silver Ions Effective Against SARS



The Environmental Protection Agency
Visit the EPA's website...

Integrated Risk Information System - original silver toxicity page
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Silver; CASRN 7440-22-4


Health assessment information on a chemical substance is included in IRIS only after a comprehensive review of chronic toxicity data by U.S. EPA health scientists from several Program Offices and the Office of Research and Development. The summaries presented in Sections I and II represent a consensus reached in the review process. Background information and explanations of the methods used to derive the values given in IRIS are provided in the Background Documents.


STATUS OF DATA FOR Silver

File On-Line 01/31/1987

Category (section) Status Last Revised
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Oral RfD Assessment (I.A.) on-line 12/01/1996

Inhalation RfC Assessment (I.B.) no data

Carcinogenicity Assessment (II.) on-line 06/01/1989


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_I. CHRONIC HEALTH HAZARD ASSESSMENTS FOR NONCARCINOGENIC EFFECTS


__I.A. REFERENCE DOSE FOR CHRONIC ORAL EXPOSURE (RfD)


Substance Name -- Silver
CASRN -- 7440-22-4
Last Revised -- 12/01/1996


The oral Reference Dose (RfD) is based on the assumption that thresholds exist for certain toxic effects such as cellular necrosis. It is expressed in units of mg/kg-day. In general, the RfD is an estimate (with uncertainty spanning perhaps an order of magnitude) of a daily exposure to the human population (including sensitive subgroups) that is likely to be without an appreciable risk of deleterious effects during a lifetime. Please refer to the Background Document for an elaboration of these concepts. RfDs can also be derived for the noncarcinogenic health effects of substances that are also carcinogens. Therefore, it is essential to refer to other sources of information concerning the carcinogenicity of this substance. If the U.S. EPA has evaluated this substance for potential human carcinogenicity, a summary of that evaluation will be contained in Section II of this file.


___I.A.1. ORAL RfD SUMMARY


Critical Effect Experimental Doses* UF MF RFD
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Argyria NOEL: None 3 1 5E-3 mg/kg/day 2- to 9-Year LOAEL: 1 g (total dose);
Human i.v. Study converted to an oral dose of 0.014 mg/kg/day Gaul and Staud, 1935
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*Conversion Factors: Based on conversion from the total i.v. dose to a total oral dose of 25 g (i.v. Dose of 1 g divided by 0.04, assumed oral retention factor; see Furchner et al., 1968 in Additional Comments section) and dividing by 70 kg (adult body weight) and 25,500 days (a lifetime, or 70 years).

___I.A.2. PRINCIPAL AND SUPPORTING STUDIES (ORAL RFD)

Gaul, L.E. and A.H. Staud. 1935. Clinical spectroscopy. Seventy cases of generalized argyrosis following organic and colloidal silver medication. J. Am. Med. Assoc. 104: 1387-1390.

The critical effect in humans ingesting silver is argyria, a medically benign but permanent bluish-gray discoloration of the skin. Argyria results from the deposition of silver in the dermis and also from silver-induced production of melanin. Although silver has been shown to be uniformly deposited in exposed and unexposed areas, the increased pigmentation becomes more pronounced in areas exposed to sunlight due to photoactivated reduction of the metal.

Although the deposition of silver is permanent, it is not associated with any adverse health effects. No pathologic changes or inflammatory reactions have been shown to result from silver deposition. Silver compounds have been employed for medical uses for centuries. In the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, silver arsphenamine was used in the treatment of syphillis; more recently it has been used as an astringent in topical preparations. While argyria occurred more commonly before the development of antibiotics, it is now a rare occurrence. Greene and Su (1987) have published a review of argyria.

Gaul and Staud (1935) reported 70 cases of generalized argyria following organic and colloidal silver medication, including 13 cases of generalized argyria following intravenous silver arsphenamine injection therapy and a biospectrometric analysis of 10 cases of generalized argyria classified according to the quantity of silver present. In the i.v. study, data were presented for 10 males (23-64 years old) and for two females (23 and 49 years old) who were administered 31-100 i.v. injections of silver arsphenamine (total dose was 4-20 g) over a 2- to 9.75-year period. Argyria developed after a total dose of 4, 7 or 8 g in some patients, while in others, argyria did not develop until after a total dose of 10, 15 or 20 g. In the biospectrometric analysis of skin biopsies from 10 cases of generalized argyria, the authors confirmed that the degree of the discoloration is directly dependent on the amount of silver present. The authors concluded that argyria may become clinically apparent after a total accumulated i.v. Dose of approximately 8 g of silver arsphenamine. The book entitled "Argyria The Pharmacology of Silver" reached the same conclusion, that a total accumulative i.v. Dose of 8 gm silver arsphenamine is the limit beyond which argyria may develop (Hill and Pillsbury, 1939). However, since body accumulates silver throughout life, it is theoretically possible for amounts less than this (for example, 4 g silver arsphenamine) to result in argyria. Therefore, based on cases presented in this study, the lowest i.v. Dose resulting in argyria in one patient, 1 g metallic silver (4 g silver arsphenamine x 0.23, the fraction of silver in silver arsphenamine) is considered to be a minimal effect level for this study.

Blumberg and Carey (1934) reported argyria in an emaciated chronically ill (more than 15 years) 33-year-old female (32.7 kg) who had ingested capsules containing silver nitrate over a period of 1 year. The patient reported ingesting 16 mg silver nitrate three times a day (about 30 mg silver/day) for alternate periods of 2 weeks. Spectrographic analysis of blood samples revealed a blood silver level of 0.5 mg/L 1 week after ingestion of silver nitrate capsules ceased, and there was only a small decrease in this level after 3 months. The authors noted that this marked argyremia was striking because even in cases of documented argyria, blood silver levels are not generally elevated to this extent. Normal levels for argyremic patients were reported to range from not detected to 0.005 mg Ag/l blood. Heavy traces of silver in the skin, moderate amounts in the urine and feces, and trace amounts in the saliva were reported in samples tested 3 months after ingestion of the capsules stopped; however, despite the marked argyremia and detection of silver in the skin, the argyria at 3 months was quite mild. No obvious dark pigmentation was seen other than gingival lines which are considered to be characteristic of the first signs of argyria. The authors suggested that this may have been because the woman was not exposed to strong light during the period of silver treatment. This study is not suitable to serve as the basis for a quantitative risk assessment for silver because it is a clinical report on only one patient of compromised health. Furthermore, the actual amount of silver ingested is based on the patient's recollection and cannot be accurately determined. In a case reported by East et al. (1980), argyria was diagnosed in a 47-year-old woman (58.6 kg) who had taken excessively large oral doses of anti-smoking lozenges containing silver acetate over a period of 2.5 years. No information was provided as to the actual amount of silver ingested. Symptoms of argyria appeared after the first 6 months of exposure. Based on whole body neutron activation analysis, the total body burden of silver in this female was estimated to be 6.4 (plus or minus 2) g. Both the total body burden and concentration of silver in the skin were estimated to be 8000 times higher than normal. In a separate 30-week experiment, the same subject retained 18% of a single dose of orally-administered silver, a retention level much higher than that reported by other investigators. East et al. (1980) cited other studies on this particular anti-smoking formulation (on the market since 1973) which demonstrated that "within the limits of experimental error, no silver is retained after oral administration." However, this may not hold true for excessive intakes like that ingested by this individual. As with the study by Blumberg and Carey (1934), this study is not suitable to serve as the basis for a quantitative risk assessment. It is a clinical report on only one patient and the actual amount of silver ingested can only be estimated.

___I.A.3. UNCERTAINTY AND MODIFYING FACTORS (ORAL RFD)


UF -- An uncertainty factor of 3 is applied to account for minimal effects in a subpopulation which has exhibited an increased propensity for the development of argyria. The critical effect observed is a cosmetic effect, with no associated adverse health effects. Also, the critical study reports on only 1 individual who developed argyria following an i.v. Dose of 1 g silver (4 g silver arsphenamine). Other individuals did not respond until levels five times higher were administered. No uncertainty factor for less than chronic to chronic duration is needed because the dose has been apportioned over a lifetime of 70 years.

MF -- None

___I.A.4. ADDITIONAL STUDIES/COMMENTS (ORAL RFD)


In the study by East et al. (1980) (see section 1.A.2.), one human was found to retain 18% of a single oral dose. However, the authors acknowledge that this high level of retention is not consistent with data published in other laboratories. For ethical reasons, the experiment could be not repeated to determine the validity of the results.

Humans are exposed to small amounts of silver from dietary sources. The oral intake of silver from a typical diet has been estimated to range from 27 88 ug/day (Hamilton and Minski, 1972/1973; Kehoe et al., 1940). Tipton et al. (1966) estimated a lesser intake of 10-20 ug/day in two subjects during a 30- day observation period. Over a lifetime, a small but measurable amount of silver is accumulated by individuals having no excessive exposure. Gaul and Staud (1935) estimated that a person aged 50 years would have an average retention of 0.23-0.48 g silver (equivalent to 1-2 g silver arsphenamine). Petering et al. (1991) estimated a much lower body burden of 9 mg over a 50-year period based on estimated intake, absorption, and excretion values; however, it is not clear how the final estimate was calculated. Furchner et al. (1968) studied the absorption and retention of ingested silver (as silver nitrate, amount not specified) in mice, rats, monkeys and dogs. In all four species, very little silver was absorbed from the GI tract. Cumulative excretion ranged from 90 to 99% on the second day after ingestion, with <1% of the dose being retained in <1 week in monkeys, rats and mice. Dogs had a slightly greater retention. The authors used the data from the dog to estimate how much silver ingested by a 70 kg human would be retained. An "equilibrium factor" of 4.4% was determined by integrating from zero to infinity a retention equation which assumes a triphasic elimination pattern for silver with the initial elimination of 90% coming from the dog data. The first elimination half-time of 0.5 days was used "arbitrarily"; subsequent half-times of 3.5 days and 41 days were taken from a metabolic study by Polachek et al. (1960). Furchner et al. (1968) considered their calculated equilibrium factor of 4.4% to be a conservative estimate for the amount of silver which would be retained by a 70 kg human. This figure was rounded to 4% and was used in the dose conversion (i.v. Dose converted to oral intake) for the calculation of the RFD.

In addition to silver arsphenamine, any silver compound (silver nitrate, silver acetate, argyrol, Neosilvol and Collargol, etc.), at high dose, can cause argyria. Another important factor predisposing to the development of argyria is the exposure of the skin to light.

Argyria, the critical effect upon which the RFD for silver is based, occurs at levels of exposure much lower than those levels associated with other effects of silver. Argyrosis, resulting from the deposition of silver in the eye, has also been documented, but generally involves the use of eye drops or make-up containing silver (Greene and Su, 1987). Silver has been found to be deposited in the cornea and the anterior capsule of the lens. The same deposition pattern was seen in the eyes of male Wistar rats following administration of a 0.66% silver nitrate solution to the eyes for 45 days (Rungby, 1986). No toxicological effects were reported.

Toxic effects of silver have been reported primarily for the cardiovascular and hepatic systems. Olcott (1950) administered 0.1% silver nitrate in drinking water to rats for 218 days. This exposure (about 89 mg/kg/day) resulted in a statistically significant increase in the incidence of ventricular hypertrophy. Upon autopsy, advanced pigmentation was observed in body organs, but the ventricular hypertrophy was not attributed to silver deposition.

Hepatic necrosis and ultrastructural changes of the liver have been induced by silver administration to vitamin E and/or selenium deficient rats (Wagner et al., 1975; Diplock et al., 1967; Bunyan et al., 1968). Investigators have hypothesized that this toxicity is related to a silver-induced selenium deficiency that inhibits the synthesis of the seleno-enzyme glutathione peroxidase. In animals supplemented with selenium and/or vitamin E, exposures of silver as high as 140 mg/kg/day (100 mg Ag/L drinking water) were well-tolerated (Bunyan et al., 1968).

___I.A.5. CONFIDENCE IN THE ORAL RFD


Study -- Medium
Data Base -- Low
RFD -- Low

The critical human study rates a medium confidence. It is an old study (1935) which offers fairly specific information regarding the total dose of silver injected over a stated period of time. One shortcoming of the study is that only patients developing argyria are described; no information is presented on patients who received multiple injections of silver arsphenamine without developing argyria. Therefore, it is difficult to establish a NOAEL. Also, the individuals in the study were being treated for syphilis and may have been of compromised health.

Confidence in the data base is considered to be low because the studies used to support the RFD were not controlled studies. For clinical case studies of argyria (such as Blumberg and Carey, 1934; East et al., 1980), it is especially difficult to determine the amount of silver that was ingested.

Confidence in the RFD can be considered low-to-medium because, while the critical effect has been demonstrated in humans following oral administration of silver, the quantitative risk estimate is based on a study utilizing intravenous administration and thus necessitates a dose conversion with inherent uncertainties.

___I.A.6. EPA DOCUMENTATION AND REVIEW OF THE ORAL RFD


Source Document -- This assessment is not presented in any existing US EPA document.

Other EPA Documentation -- None

Agency Work Group Review -- 10/09/1985, 02/05/1986, 04/18/1990, 02/20/1991, 07/18/1991

Verification Date -- 07/18/1991

___I.A.7. EPA CONTACTS (ORAL RFD)


Please contact the Risk Information Hotline for all questions concerning this assessment or IRIS, in general, at (513)569-7254 (phone), (513)569-7159 (FAX) or RIH.IRIS@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (internet address).


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__I.B. REFERENCE CONCENTRATION FOR CHRONIC INHALATION EXPOSURE (RfC)


Substance Name -- Silver
CASRN -- 7440-22-4


Not available at this time.


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_II. CARCINOGENICITY ASSESSMENT FOR LIFETIME EXPOSURE


Substance Name -- Silver
CASRN -- 7440-22-4
Last Revised -- 06/01/1989


Section II provides information on three aspects of the carcinogenic assessment for the substance in question; the weight-of-evidence judgment of the likelihood that the substance is a human carcinogen, and quantitative estimates of risk from oral exposure and from inhalation exposure. The quantitative risk estimates are presented in three ways. The slope factor is the result of application of a low-dose extrapolation procedure and is presented as the risk per (mg/kg)/day. The unit risk is the quantitative estimate in terms of either risk per ug/L drinking water or risk per ug/cu.m air breathed. The third form in which risk is presented is a drinking water or air concentration providing cancer risks of 1 in 10,000, 1 in 100,000 or 1 in 1,000,000. The rationale and methods used to develop the carcinogenicity information in IRIS are described in The Risk Assessment Guidelines of 1986 (EPA/600/8-87/045) and in the IRIS Background Document. IRIS summaries developed since the publication of EPA's more recent Proposed Guidelines for Carcinogen Risk Assessment also utilize those Guidelines where indicated (Federal Register 61(79):17960-18011, April 23, 1996). Users are referred to Section I of this IRIS file for information on long-term toxic effects other than carcinogenicity.


__II.A. EVIDENCE FOR CLASSIFICATION AS TO HUMAN CARCINOGENICITY

___II.A.1. WEIGHT-OF-EVIDENCE CLASSIFICATION


Classification -- D; not classified as to human carcinogenicity

Basis -- In animals, local sarcomas have been induced after implantation of foils and discs of silver. However, the interpretation of these findings has been questioned due to the phenomenon of solid-state carcinogenesis in which even insoluble solids such as plastic have been shown to result in local fibrosarcomas.

___II.A.2. HUMAN CARCINOGENICITY DATA


No evidence of cancer in humans has been reported despite frequent therapeutic use of the compound over the years.

___II.A.3. ANIMAL CARCINOGENICITY DATA


Inadequate. Local sarcomas have been induced after subcutaneous (s.c.) implantation of foils and discs of silver and other noble metals. Furst (1979, 1981), however, cited studies showing that even insoluble solids such as smooth ivory and plastic result in local fibrosarcomas and that tin when crumbled will not. He concluded that i.p. And s.c. implants are invalid as indicators of carcinogenicity because a phenomenon called solid-state carcinogenesis may complicate the interpretation of the cause of these tumors.


It is difficult to interpret these implantation site tumors in laboratory animals in terms of exposure to humans via ingestion. Within these constraints there are two studies given below in which silver per se appeared to induce no carcinogenic response.

Schmahl and Steinhoff (1960) reported, in a study of silver and of gold, that colloidal silver injected both i.v. And s.c. into rats resulted in tumors in 8 of 26 rats which survived longer than 14 months. In 6 of the 8, the tumor was at the site of the s.c. injection. In about 700 untreated rats the rate of spontaneous tumor formation of any site was 1 to 3%. No vehicle control was reported.

Furst and Schlauder (1977) evaluated silver and gold for carcinogenicity in a study designed to avoid solid-state carcinogenesis. Metal powder was suspended in trioctanoin and injected monthly, i.m., Into 50 male and female Fischer 344 rats per group. The dose was 5 mg each for 5 treatments and 10 mg each for 5 more treatments for a total dose of 75 mg silver. The treatment regimen included a vehicle control (a reportedly inert material), and cadmium as a positive control. Injection site sarcomas were found only in vehicle control (1/50), gold (1/50) and cadmium (30/50); no tumors (0/50) appeared at the site of injection in the silver-treated animals. A complete necropsy was performed on all animals. The authors mentioned the existence of spontaneous tumors in Fischer 344 rats, but reported only injection site tumors. They concluded that finely divided silver powder injected i.m. does not induce cancer.

___II.A.4. SUPPORTING DATA FOR CARCINOGENICITY


Further support for the lack of silver's ability to induce or promote cancer stems from the finding that, despite long standing and frequent therapeutic usage in humans, there are no reports of cancer associated with silver. In a recent Proceedings of a Workshop/Conference on the Role of Metals in Carcinogenesis (1981) containing 24 articles on animal bioassays, epidemiology, biochemistry, mutagenicity, and enhancement and inhibition of carcinogenesis, silver was not included as a metal of carcinogenic concern.

No evidence of the mutagenicity of silver was shown in two available studies. Demerec et al. (1951) studied silver nitrate for the possible induction of back mutations from streptomycin dependence to nondependence in Eschericha coli. Silver nitrate was considered nonmutagenic in this assay. Nishioka (1975) screened silver chloride with other chemicals for mutagenic effects using a method called the rec-assay. Silver chloride was considered nonmutagenic in this assay.


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__II.B. QUANTITATIVE ESTIMATE OF CARCINOGENIC RISK FROM ORAL EXPOSURE


Not available.


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__II.C. QUANTITATIVE ESTIMATE OF CARCINOGENIC RISK FROM INHALATION EXPOSURE


Not available.


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__II.D. EPA DOCUMENTATION, REVIEW, AND CONTACTS (CARCINOGENICITY ASSESSMENT)

___II.D.1. EPA DOCUMENTATION


Source Document -- US EPA, 1988

The 1988 Drinking Water Criteria Document for Silver has received Agency review.

___II.D.2. REVIEW (CARCINOGENICITY ASSESSMENT)


Agency Work Group Review -- 09/22/1988

Verification Date -- 09/22/1988

___II.D.3. US EPA CONTACTS (CARCINOGENICITY ASSESSMENT)


Please contact the Risk Information Hotline for all questions concerning this assessment or IRIS, in general, at (513)569-7254 (phone), (513)569-7159 (FAX) or RIH.IRIS@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV (Internet address).
Evaluating the EPA Data

As the EPA studies show, the estimated amount of silver intake in order to be at risk for Argyria is 3.8 (to six) grams of silver, although some references site higher than 10 grams.

One teaspoon of 5 ppm colloidal silver contains about 25 micrograms of silver, or .025 milligrams of silver. Six teaspoons, the equivalent of one fluid ounce, therefore contains .15 milligrams of silver. The EPA's critical dose for a 160 lb. adult is 1.09 milligrams daily. Taking one ounce of colloidal silver daily, according to EPA guidelines, is well below the critical daily intake for the development of argyria. Four ounces daily would equal around .6 milligrams.

However, all of this is dependent upon the body's actual retention of colloidal silver in body tissues. There is no existing data which addresses the very real differences between isolated ionic silver ( and particles sized .0003 - .05 microns in diameter), and silver compounds ( silver nitrate, silver arsphenamine , silver proteins, silver salts, silver acetate, etc. ). Can a risk assessment for argyria based on high strength ionic silver compounds be applied to low PPM isolated silver solutions and colloidal silver? This is unknown, but not very likely.

There is accumulating evidence which strongly suggests that neither low PPM isolated ionic silver nor minutely sized silver particles build up in the body at the same rate indicated by the compound study data. Many researchers have traditionally been unable to explain the exact risk elements associated with silver toxicity-- why one individual is at risk for argyria and why another is no, when the amount of silver ingested is the same. As some of the research data shows, however, a selenium deficiency may be a determining factor.

If selenium and other dietary factors are the sole determining factor in the risks associated with argyria ( aside from obvious massive overdoses ), then dose quantities, frequency of use, and actual silver concentration become of paramount importance in gauging risk. If dietary intake and systemic availability of needed substances exceed those required as a part of silver elimination in the body, then the accumulation of silver in the body will not be comparable to the high potency compound products, and thus the risk of argyria will not be equal.

Evidence presented in one study case conducted by Roger Altman lends credence to the idea that silver accumulation via oral use of an isolated colloidal silver product does not always occur. Needless to say, though, much further work needs to be done on the subject for definative answers.

Some researchers believe that build up of silver in the body is caused exclusively by the concentration of silver ingested, irrespective of the actual form of silver. Therefore, it would not likely matter whether one took a silver protein that contained one milligram of silver or one milligram of silver nitrate - the risk for argyria, whatever that may or may not be, would be the same.

However, we do not believe this to be the case. We do not believe that the body itself responds the same to silver compounds as it does to isolated silver. Data inferred from the above studies indicate a wide variance in the amount of silver deposited in those whom have never taken a colloidal silver product. It is extremely unlikely that ANY of the people studied ( outside of silver-rich industrial conditions ) would have ingested large amounts of silver at any given time, and yet the variance in accumulation in body tissues infers that there are other factors involved in accumulation.

While it is our conclusion after four years of study that the risk of Argyria from the use of a quality isolated colloidal silver product is negligable, prudence suggests that actual silver intake be kept below 1.09 milligrams daily until scientific evidence demonstrates otherwise.

This figure is based on the EPA RFD of .005 mg/kg of body weight, based on the average adult.

In the event that greater doses are required for long term treatments, dietary measures to augment the body's elimination system are likely a good idea, including Selenium and Vitamin E supplementation and proper hydration of the body. Measurement of silver accumulation in the body every six months would also be a prudent and revealing measure. Considering the actual silver content per dose, the development of argyria would only occur over a long period of time with unnecessarily large amounts of colloidal silver used daily. Even the most conservative estimates would put the time frame in excess of three years.

[21_12_2012]

Argument from tradition. "We've always sacrificed a virgin to keep the volcano from erupting", "we've always treated fevers with bloodletting". Logical fallacy, please try harder.

Actually no. The proof is there and has been for over a century.
And no, we don't trust bigpharma and we don't want your bigpharma poisons thanks winegums.

Yes, big pharma control all testing in the world. Nobody else could possibly run a clinical trial, because the all powerful big pharma can stop it.

whoops, you're nearly talking truth, are you feeling ok?
Have a lie down.

Of course, for some reason they can't get an outright ban on colloidal silver.... :rolleyes:

Not yet, but its being banned as being advertised as a 'supplement' and 'health product'

I wonder why ? Oh yeh...it's because bigpharma are panicking because people are waking up to the scam of their poisonous, slow tortuous death regime, and finding out for themselves what really cures.

Don't be silly.

Says you, who only yesterday wrote:- "it's not a huge blunder" when i pointed out how bigpharma gave 30 million kids the rotarix vaccine contaminated with pig virus:-
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/22/rotavirus.vaccine/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3 A+Top+Stories%29

On this thread:- http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111180&page=9

this post:- http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058860375&postcount=87

And you call me silly ?

And you failed to comment on the fact that right now in Australia, because of bigpharma, kids are having convulsions after their flu vaccines:-
http://www.theage.com.au/national/childrens-vaccine-fits-remain-mystery-20100430-tzgm.html

Everyone... winegums is a cold-hearted person who defends bigpharma, and vaccines, and shouts down anyone who opposes his/her views.

Does this sound like a genuine person to you ?

And no, testimonies don't count as evidence nearly as strongly as clinical trials do.

Yes they do. Bigpharma's clinical trials aren't worth the toilet paper i wiped my arse with this morning, as i have proved with the above links in this very post.

People will testify that their wounds were healed by Jesus, or by bloodletting, or by a thousand other things.

They sure will. And people like you will pretend that it has any relevance to the subject, which it hasn't, and just makes you look even more desparate than you already are.

Clear clinical evidence is what matters,

Yep. Like bigpharma's clear clinical evidence that vaccines work and are safe. Tell that to the kids in convulsions right now in Australia.

Clear clinical evidence like letting 30 million kids vaccines be infected with pig virus, over a 2 year period. Yet you still claim that bigpharm is not corrupt, and intent on causing major suffering and death for profits.

So you're actually denying that she has argyria?

I am yes. If i ever meet her one day and see for myself that she has it then i'd agree. But those pictures look photoshopped to me, and the website looks absolutely shite.

Don't be so pathetic, either address the information or shut up.

This hypocritical statement could only come from you winegums. The defender of slow poisonous torture, misery, and death, all in the name of cash.

So he's highly questionable just because he goes against what you think?

No... goes against what i know.
Big difference.

Also how do you know there are hundreds of thousands of colloidal silver users?
How do you know they are successful?

You got internet connection right ?
Use it then.

But, i forgot, you already know that coilloidal silver works, you're just here to disinform people right...?

[dalem]

Interesting facts about winegums



Join Date: Mar 2010:
Posts: 466:
Find all threads started by winegums = 1 :D
In Forum: Vaccinations /Medical Mafia / Big Pharma / Bio-Warfare
Subject: Michael Specter at TED Looking at the thread nobody was interested in anything winegums said.

winegums has contributed One Thread to the whole forum.

Why are you hear winegums ? just to piss on everyone's threads/posts and ridicule people because you know they are right.
It won't work, we are better than you, we are more knowledgable than you, you are nothing, the same as what you have contributed to the forum. ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING.

[21_12_2012]

So you're actually denying that she has argyria? Or are you complaining that an elderly woman who made a website to tell the world about her medical condition isn't up to date with web 2.0 and hasn't even included her twitter or facebook pages on there? Don't be so pathetic, either address the information or shut up.

Wait a minute...you could be right...everyone's getting argyria...

LOOK

EVEN MADONNA'S GOT IT NOW !!!! EEEEEKKK !!! :eek::eek::eek:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9899/1madd2.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/1madd2.jpg/)

Oh...no....phewwww !

That was just me messing around on photoshop....

Much better job than that website you linked to though
(even if i do say so myself)
:D:D:D:D

[winegums]

Actually no. The proof is there and has been for over a century.

What proof? Just because people take something doesn't mean that it works. People have thrown salt over their shoulder for over a century, does that actually bring you good luck? You're still falling to argument from tradition.


whoops, you're nearly talking truth, are you feeling ok?
Have a lie down.

So you can only run a clinical trial if "big pharma" let you? Can you prove this is the case?


Not yet, but its being banned as being advertised as a 'supplement' and 'health product'

I wonder why ? Oh yeh...it's because bigpharma are panicking because people are waking up to the scam of their poisonous, slow tortuous death regime, and finding out for themselves what really cures.

Except you've got no proof that it cures people. Your whole rationale is "well, people wouldn't use it if it didn't work", which has been demonstrated throughout time to not be the case.



...
Everyone... winegums is a cold-hearted person who defends bigpharma, and vaccines, and shouts down anyone who opposes his/her views.

Does this sound like a genuine person to you ?


Ah, poisoning the well. Any chance we can stick to the topic instead of you dropping to ad hominem?


Yes they do. Bigpharma's clinical trials aren't worth the toilet paper i wiped my arse with this morning, as i have proved with the above links in this very post.


Who is "big pharma"? You realise research is done by various labs, universities, pharma companies, hospitals. There isn't one big ominous building with "BIG PHARMA INC" above the front door. Are you claiming all medical researchers are in on some big conspiracy to poison everyone? What about the early clinical trials by Florence Nightingale and the like? Was she a big pharma shill too?

If you can't separate your understanding of scientific method from your fear of pharma companies you're never going to really understand what's going on.



They sure will. And people like you will pretend that it has any relevance to the subject, which it hasn't, and just makes you look even more desparate than you already are.

Why isn't it relevant? Ever heard of regression to the mean? Placebo effect?


I am yes. If i ever meet her one day and see for myself that she has it then i'd agree. But those pictures look photoshopped to me, and the website looks absolutely shite.

Why does the quality of the website matter? She's an elderly lady who may not have the time or inclination to learn up-to-date web design methods. It's downright petty to pick on that. And how do the photos look shopped (I find this especially interesting given that you didn't think the photos of Jim Humble look shopped (http://4615290923877338453-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/mmsdebunked/home/doctored-photos/author.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cr5b4DjS4hc1LELXy6zTHH0 3soTj4dvHcQXSMXtOTw5ggUc5SlmlocTtI4O47vzjXSuCHhk6Y Df4MB7SkuYM-dr5WVUhr8h_SItxqTrewOQaGpsUrT80-nx5C5YrCoJf1V4lVF6aKIMjBoh8_QyuDrWWH3uSsEM54xqgWb0 u5oKgZ2tw8h3UnSnhoW0k-Lm0VozZrlqQOc-45FZ0isI-KNghWwaAJOQKXJmcdrN-vB1-SUT8Wg%3D&attredirects=0), despite the fact that they REALLY look shopped). Care to explain why you think they're shops? Graphical artefacts or something?



You got internet connection right ?
Use it then.

But, i forgot, you already know that coilloidal silver works, you're just here to disinform people right...?

Burden of proof lies with the proponent...

[winegums]

Why are you hear winegums ? just to piss on everyone's threads/posts and ridicule people because you know they are right.
It won't work, we are better than you, we are more knowledgable than you, you are nothing, the same as what you have contributed to the forum. ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING.

If you're more knowledgeable than me then you can argue your point clearly and with knowledge on your side. You should have no problems proving me wrong. So far, however, all I see are huge gaps in scientific and medical knowledge, and a complete gambit of logical fallacies.

People aren't interested in actually talking about the issues and having their beliefs challenged, they just want an echo chamber of people saying "yeah you're right, that Zapper I got totally works, really cleared my chakras". You were happy to believe what I wrote till four other people turned up and said I was wrong, and then you jumped ship. How are you going to come to a conclusion on CS? Just listen to whichever side has the most people on it? Or the side with the scariest looking website?

Personally I'd look at what colloidal silver is, what it's supposed to do, how it works, how that compares to my understanding of how the human body works, any research done on it, and then decide if it was a worthwhile treatment.

The common approach around here seems to be "read an information page for it by someone who happens to sell it, fall for the tedious gambit of 'big pharma are suppressing it, so it must be good', ignore all evidence suggesting it does nothing/could be harmful, read some random testimonials from the internet, take it".

[21_12_2012]

No Britney NOOOOOO

Why did you take the evil silver.....

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7997/1brit2.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/1brit2.jpg/)

[21_12_2012]

What proof? Just because people take something doesn't mean that it works. People have thrown salt over their shoulder for over a century, does that actually bring you good luck? You're still falling to argument from tradition.



So you can only run a clinical trial if "big pharma" let you? Can you prove this is the case?




Except you've got no proof that it cures people. Your whole rationale is "well, people wouldn't use it if it didn't work", which has been demonstrated throughout time to not be the case.



Ah, poisoning the well. Any chance we can stick to the topic instead of you dropping to ad hominem?



Who is "big pharma"? You realise research is done by various labs, universities, pharma companies, hospitals. There isn't one big ominous building with "BIG PHARMA INC" above the front door. Are you claiming all medical researchers are in on some big conspiracy to poison everyone? What about the early clinical trials by Florence Nightingale and the like? Was she a big pharma shill too?

If you can't separate your understanding of scientific method from your fear of pharma companies you're never going to really understand what's going on.




Why isn't it relevant? Ever heard of regression to the mean? Placebo effect?



Why does the quality of the website matter? She's an elderly lady who may not have the time or inclination to learn up-to-date web design methods. It's downright petty to pick on that. And how do the photos look shopped (I find this especially interesting given that you didn't think the photos of Jim Humble look shopped (http://4615290923877338453-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/mmsdebunked/home/doctored-photos/author.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cr5b4DjS4hc1LELXy6zTHH0 3soTj4dvHcQXSMXtOTw5ggUc5SlmlocTtI4O47vzjXSuCHhk6Y Df4MB7SkuYM-dr5WVUhr8h_SItxqTrewOQaGpsUrT80-nx5C5YrCoJf1V4lVF6aKIMjBoh8_QyuDrWWH3uSsEM54xqgWb0 u5oKgZ2tw8h3UnSnhoW0k-Lm0VozZrlqQOc-45FZ0isI-KNghWwaAJOQKXJmcdrN-vB1-SUT8Wg%3D&attredirects=0), despite the fact that they REALLY look shopped). Care to explain why you think they're shops? Graphical artefacts or something?




Burden of proof lies with the proponent...

blah blah blah.. carry on winegums :D

[dalem]

1. If you're more knowledgeable than me then you can argue your point clearly and with knowledge on your side. You should have no problems proving me wrong. So far, however, all I see are huge gaps in scientific and medical knowledge, and a complete gambit of logical fallacies.

People aren't interested in actually talking about the issues and having their beliefs challenged, they just want an echo chamber of people saying "yeah you're right, that Zapper I got totally works, really cleared my chakras". 2. You were happy to believe what I wrote till four other people turned up and said I was wrong, and then you jumped ship. How are you going to come to a conclusion on CS? Just listen to whichever side has the most people on it? Or the side with the scariest looking website?

Personally I'd look at what colloidal silver is, what it's supposed to do, how it works, how that compares to my understanding of how the human body works, any research done on it, and then decide if it was a worthwhile treatment.

The common approach around here seems to be "read an information page for it by someone who happens to sell it, fall for the tedious gambit of 'big pharma are suppressing it, so it must be good', ignore all evidence suggesting it does nothing/could be harmful, read some random testimonials from the internet, take it".

Point One. I am not hear to argue with anyone. Period. I am hear to discuss matters of health with like minded people, and if you were at all knowledgable you would read post number 45. I notice you have'nt made any comments about it. Wonder why?

Point 2. Quote from my previous post "Holy S### I just looked at your link, no way do I wanna turn grey or blue. Might be one of those things to stay away from. Thanks."

Look at the words "Might be" If you think I agreed with you then you are misinformed. Having come to a sensible and logical conclusion on my own I decided that your links are ridiculous to say the least.

[winegums]

Look at the words "Might be" If you think I agreed with you then you are misinformed. Having come to a sensible and logical conclusion on my own I decided that your links are ridiculous to say the least.

Ok, I'd be interested to know why.

[21_12_2012]

Ok, I'd be interested to know why.

And I'd be interested to know why you're interested to know why.

Is it so you can re-formulate your gameplan of sending people 'round the houses' and into confusion to further your agenda of "bigpharma works, and nothing else will help you but poison drugs" ?

[dalem]

Ok, I'd be interested to know why.

You first, i'm still waiting your comments on EPA's study of silver consumption post number 45.

[dalem]

waiting winegums......

http://download.wapday.com/animation/coontent/9953-t/hand_bored.gif

[eternal1stparty]

Taking colloidal silver for an entire lifetime at the recommended doses will not turn you blue.

You have to drink it like koolaid for weeks on end to get argyria. As in you have to be a dumbass.

If you are sick, and you are not a dumbass, I recommend colloidal silver. If you are a dumbass refrain from using colloidal silver, playing with dogs, walking through doors, laughing, pissing, farting, eating wild mushrooms, enjoying sushi, painting, and spending time with old people, as all of these things could be dangerous to your health. If you are a dumbass.

I make it for my friends, family, and for personal use. Its good stuff and it works wonders on all types of infections, viral, fungal, bacterial....

Peace out.

[dalem]

Taking colloidal silver for an entire lifetime at the recommended doses will not turn you blue.

You have to drink it like koolaid for weeks on end to get argyria. As in you have to be a dumbass.

If you are sick, and you are not a dumbass, I recommend colloidal silver. If you are a dumbass refrain from using colloidal silver, playing with dogs, walking through doors, laughing, pissing, farting, eating wild mushrooms, enjoying sushi, painting, and spending time with old people, as all of these things could be dangerous to your health. If you are a dumbass.

I make it for my friends, family, and for personal use. Its good stuff and it works wonders on all types of infections, viral, fungal, bacterial....

Peace out.
Thanks for the info eternal1stparty

[winegums]

waiting winegums......

http://download.wapday.com/animation/coontent/9953-t/hand_bored.gif

Ok read the article (from the EDA or something?). Seems that the research on the causes of argyria suggest that the silver dose required from person to person could vary (and some suggestion that selenium deficiency may be a contributing factor in argyria, although this is mostly speculation).

So we've established that argyria happens, it's probably something to do with the dosage of CS, probably your height/weight, etc, maybe selenium levels too.

However, CS has been superseded by antibiotics in the mainstream, which don't have silver in them. So the question then becomes "why bother taking CS? what are the benefits, and to what extent are they proven?".

[eternal1stparty]

figure it out for your self. Theres other threads detailing the info you're looking for.

[nightwriterk]

I'm a professional writer and I've been making and using CS for 10 to 15 years.

There is a tremendous amount of research on the efficacy of colloidal silver, so there is no need to wonder about it. One of the most recent developments in medical applications is the use of silver nanoparticles to prevent implants from being rejected by the body and causing infections. It has an incredible number of applications in paint and fibers in hospitals where MRSA has run wild as a result of the use of pharmaceutical antibiotics.

The medical syndicate will allow silver to be used in everything except pharmaceuticals - this must be where they make the most of their money. If they allowed silver to be used as a pharmaceutical, a large percentage of their products (drugs) would cease to be. Nobody would need or want them.

So, the syndicate permits silver to be used in bandages, devices, on surfaces, as disinfecting solutions, etc., but they will not permit it to be taken internally and, as I understand, have gone to great lengths in Europe to get it off the shelves.

The power of brainwashing! Apparently... because all of the scientific evidence you need is available. Silver is so powerful they have had to admit it and, especially, where MRSA is concerned, it seems. Silver has power against a lot of iatrogenic diseases and conditions.

Oh, and I'd like point out what the official media will not: The Blue Man in the OP consumed a colloidal silver compound that can be dangerous - silver chloride. This is not the same as colloidal silver. But, if you - like a lot of other people - want to believe lies, then that's up to you. I'm not your de-programmer.

See all kinds of research and articles - including the ones where we debunk the official lies - go here: http://colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.com/

[21_12_2012]

Good post nightwriterk, thanks for the info, and welcome to the forum.

[nightwriterk]

As long as colloidal silver is made properly it is safe to drink abundantly. I just drank 12 ounces at one sitting the other day after inhaling some mold while doing some outdoor cleaning. My infection symptoms went away in a few short hours instead of the usual days!

Here's what happens when people make CS incorrectly. If you use tap water, the silver particles will magnetize to and bind with whatever other particles are floating in the water. I think we are all aware that there is endless junk in tapwater, so, the resulting colloid would be a silver compound of Who-knows-what. It wouldn't be safe.

Idiots... I say "idiots" because I don't know what else to call people like The Blue Man or The Smurf Senator in California who add salt or baking soda to the process of making the colloid, thus producing a dangerous compound - silver chloride. Idiots do this. Why they choose to stay blue, I don't know. The condition is reversible. My guess is they are getting paid by someone.

The other dangerous compound that people commonly confuse with colloidal silver is silver nitrate. Silver nitrate used to be used by the photography industry until everything went digital. There is a case of a company, some time in the 80s or maybe as late as the 90s, dumping a huge amount of silver nitrate into the water off California and killing marine life. Silver nitrate is a poisonous compound.

I don't know what people don't understand about this. Maybe it's the word "compound?" Any compound is not pure colloidal silver and to call it such is to tell a lie. The people in the official media and official science who do this know they are lying... They must know or else they are the most remarkably stupid people on the face of the earth. Those are the only two options.

But, they continue to trot out these circus sideshows like The Blue Man who poisoned himself with silver chloride and for a long time a woman who was poisoned with silver nitrate by her allopathic physician.

[21_12_2012]

Nightwriterk:-

Very informative post, thanks for pointing those details out. Very well written, thanks.

[21_12_2012]

Here's what happens when people make CS incorrectly. If you use tap water, the silver particles will magnetize to and bind with whatever other particles are floating in the water. I think we are all aware that there is endless junk in tapwater, so, the resulting colloid would be a silver compound of Who-knows-what. It wouldn't be safe.

Very good point.

Why they choose to stay blue, I don't know. The condition is reversible. My guess is they are getting paid by someone.

Extremely good point.

But, they continue to trot out these circus sideshows

Yes they do. It's the pharma industry's final desperate efforts to keep the lid on the truth.

[madgoone]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1254235/Shining-secret-makes-silver-precious-health.html

Nice article on silver on how it kills bacteria hiv etc,its a shame how they stopped people posting comments about its full usage .typical of controlled media

[winegums]

I'm a professional writer and I've been making and using CS for 10 to 15 years.

There is a tremendous amount of research on the efficacy of colloidal silver,
so there is no need to wonder about it.

Care to fashion me with the best of them? All I see are anecdotes and wild claims.


The power of brainwashing! Apparently... because all of the scientific evidence you need is available. Silver is so powerful they have had to admit it and, especially, where MRSA is concerned, it seems. Silver has power against a lot of iatrogenic diseases and conditions.

I believe it's been used for MRSA as MRSA, by definition, is resistant to most antibacterials.


Why they choose to stay blue, I don't know. The condition is reversible. My guess is they are getting paid by someone.

I take it you've got a well documented case study showing how it can be reversed?

[dalem]

Thanks to all for the very informative things they have written, as for the Daily Mail article I have just emailed the Ed asking why the comments were closed on that article. Will be interesting if he/she replies.
In the meantime if anyone has any links to tutorials on making Colloidal Silver correctly I would be grateful..

[micklemus]

I too use it frequently and it has successfully knocked out various infections. Have never had the slightest side effect, whether I've used it externally or orally.

I also had one particular occasion where I had some sort of persistent skin problem which went on for about 3 weeks. It got quite bad so I went to my doctor who arranged for me to see a specialist a further week down the line. Between the GP appointment and the specialist I decided to give CS a try and the complaint cleared up in a couple of days, never to return.

[dunadan]

I too use it frequently and it has successfully knocked out various infections. Have never had the slightest side effect, whether I've used it externally or orally.

I also had one particular occasion where I had some sort of persistent skin problem which went on for about 3 weeks. It got quite bad so I went to my doctor who arranged for me to see a specialist a further week down the line. Between the GP appointment and the specialist I decided to give CS a try and the complaint cleared up in a couple of days, never to return.

Hi,

Did you use it externally or internally in that instance?

:)

[micklemus]

Hi,

Did you use it externally or internally in that instance?

:)

Howdy

Straight on the affected skin for that one. The improvement was almost immediate.

[21_12_2012]

In the meantime if anyone has any links to tutorials on making Colloidal Silver correctly I would be grateful..

Particle size is the most important factor with colloidal silver (smaller the better)

I bought the micro-particle machine last year:-
http://www.microparticlegenerator.com/index.htm

There are a few threads on how to build your own CS machine on here, just type into search "make colloidal" or something similar, you'll find the threads.

And it's advisable to only use 0.9999 fine silver wire (also known as 99.99 pure silver wire) (four nines and nothing less)

[blue2]

I used a few yrs ago with no bad side effects but it is a tspn if i recall right. I prefer Magnascent Iodine these days as this is anti bacterial,anti fungal, anti viral and is excellent on the skin also and is mineral that Thyroid gland needs.

My Bosch fridge has Anti Bacteria with Natural Silver I am impressed!

Goodness me you can use Colloidal Para Cleanse too from www.HarmonikIreland.com

Solgars multi-acidophilus powder too is tasteless cos colloidal silver acts much like antibiotic action.

[dunadan]

Particle size is the most important factor with colloidal silver (smaller the better)

I bought the micro-particle machine last year:-
http://www.microparticlegenerator.com/index.htm

There are a few threads on how to build your own CS machine on here, just type into search "make colloidal" or something similar, you'll find the threads.

And it's advisable to only use 0.9999 fine silver wire (also known as 99.99 pure silver wire) (four nines and nothing less)

I agree about the particle size.

Making your own - wouldnt one end up blue like the guy at the top of the Thread?:eek:

[dunadan]

Howdy

Straight on the affected skin for that one. The improvement was almost immediate.

Hi, Thanks for that.:)

We have used a couple of brands from time to time (in UK), which do you use, as it sounds really good!

Thanks D.

[micklemus]

Hi, Thanks for that.:)

We have used a couple of brands from time to time (in UK), which do you use, as it sounds really good!

Thanks D.

I have always made my own. I have a colloidal silver generator and pure silver wire.

On a related note, I've noticed that it works better when fresh in my experience and distilled water makes a big difference (that's always recommended anyway).

I don't know about the brands but would be interested to hear which you recommend.

[biblegirl]

not sure if this has been posted yet:

The Blue Man Fraud

By now nearly everyone has seen the story about Paul Karason who the news media has dubbed "The Blue Man". Although the news media has continually said that he was taking colloidal silver, nothing could be further from the truth. The Blue Man story became a major media disinformation event which was produced by a public relations firm and paid for by a pharmaceutical interest. The purpose of this campaign was to scare the public away from using colloidal silver products. The tactic was to claim that the Blue Man's condition was caused by his use of colloidal silver thus implying that anyone who uses colloidal silver would suffer a similar fate. The entire story as presented is a study in blatant misrepresentation. The fact is that Paul has a condition called argyria that turns the skin a blue-gray color. He got this condition by taking his homemade silver compound that was mostly a highly concentrated ionic silver solution. When he prepared the solution he believed he was making colloidal silver. He was not making colloidal silver. To make the solution even more dangerous, he added salt to the brew and then used electrolysis to make a high concentration of silver chloride with large particles which is well known to cause argyria. He further applied the compound to his skin causing him to become an internal and external photographic plate. To finish himself off, he used a tanning bed to "fix" the silver in his body. The moral of the story is to know the difference between true colloidal silver and ionic silver or silver proteins, and don't try to make either at home! (True colloidal silver cannot be made at home.)

The Blue Man charade demonstrates once again that the mass media cannot be trusted to report anything that even resembles a truthful "news" story. All "news" today is propagated with an agenda just like the phony economic statistics put out the U.S. government.

http://www.purestcolloids.com/blue-man.php

[dalem]

not sure if this has been posted yet:

http://www.purestcolloids.com/blue-man.php
Thanks for this info biblegirl much appreciated

[21_12_2012]

not sure if this has been posted yet:

http://www.purestcolloids.com/blue-man.php

Thankyoooooou !

[psketti]

I have always made my own. I have a colloidal silver generator and pure silver wire.

Me too. And haven't looked back since getting it.

[dalem]

Great info from all concerned, thanks.
Does someone have a link to the pure silver wire, preferably UK based.

[dalem]

Is it worth buying one of these?

http://tdsmeter.com/tools/product_detail/files/zt2_web.jpg


The ZT-2 is the first of HM Digital's new HMD line. It's a low-cost TDS meter that's perfect as a promotional item. Though inexpensive, this meter does not skimp on quality, features and design.

Specifications
Range: 0 - 999 ppm (mg/L
Resolution: 1 ppm (0-999 ppm)
Accuracy: +/- 3%
Conversion Factor: NaCl (avg. 0.5)
Power source: 2 x 1.5V button cell batteries (included)
Battery life: Approx. 1000 hours of usage
Dimensions: 14 x 2.3 x 1.5 cm (5.5 x 0.9 x 0.75 inches)
Meter weight: 31.2g (1.1 oz)

$21 Ebay.......

[21_12_2012]

Great info from all concerned, thanks.
Does someone have a link to the pure silver wire, preferably UK based.

I got mine from here, but it's in America:-

http://www.utopiasilver.com

i think i got 36 inches of 12 gauge 0.9999 for $54

[bush doctor]

Great info from all concerned, thanks.
Does someone have a link to the pure silver wire, preferably UK based.

Not UK "german site" very reasonable and fast delivery.

SILVER ELECTRODES FOR SELF PRODUCTION

We sell only purest 9999 german or US quality precious metal.

New in stock: the thin silver electrodes with 1.63mm Ø
Again avaiable: the 2,5mm Ø silverelectrodes







silver electrodes: 2x 2.55gr; 12cm x 1.63mm Ø purest 99,99% silver electrodes: 2x 2.55gr; 12cm x 1.63mm Ø
7,95 EUR

silver electrodes: 2x 3.2gr; 15cm x 1.63mm Ø purest 99,99% silver electrodes: 2x 3.2gr; 15cm x 1.63mm Ø
9,90 EUR

silver electrodes: 2x 5gr; 10cm x 2,5mm Ø German high quality product, 99.99 pure. Cut from roll.
14,45 EUR

silver electrodes: 2x 7.5gr; 15cm x 2,5mm Ø German high quality product, 99.99 pure. Cut from roll.
20,85 EUR



http://pulsar.li/en/kosi/silverelectrodes/index.php

[dalem]

Thanks Bush Doctor and 21_12_2012

[dunadan]

[QUOTE=dalem;1058866902]Is it worth buying one of these?

http://tdsmeter.com/tools/product_detail/files/zt2_web.jpg


The ZT-2 is the first of HM Digital's new HMD line. It's a low-cost TDS meter that's perfect as a promotional item. Though inexpensive, this meter does not skimp on quality, features and design.

Specifications
Range: 0 - 999 ppm (mg/L
Resolution: 1 ppm (0-999 ppm)
Accuracy: +/- 3%
Conversion Factor: NaCl (avg. 0.5)
Power source: 2 x 1.5V button cell batteries (included)
Battery life: Approx. 1000 hours of usage
Dimensions: 14 x 2.3 x 1.5 cm (5.5 x 0.9 x 0.75 inches)
Meter weight: 31.2g (1.1 oz)

A good tool/device - we use ours for testing TDS so as to ensure that our reverse osmisis water filter is working to maximum efficiency.

[dunadan]

I have always made my own. I have a colloidal silver generator and pure silver wire.

On a related note, I've noticed that it works better when fresh in my experience and distilled water makes a big difference (that's always recommended anyway).

I don't know about the brands but would be interested to hear which you recommend.

Hi,

Thanks for that.

We have tried a few - with varying results - so may follow your option.

I may yet still look into Higher Nature's (UK) product as we havnt tried theirs yet, however we use a lot of their vitamins etc. and they seem really good across the board.

All the best,

D :)

[dalem]

Thanks for the info dunadan

[bush doctor]

I bought this TDS meter "link below" over a year ago and it's a tool I wouldn't want to be without now, I even made my own still from an old stainless steel pressure cooker "easy peasy" my well water @ 350 ppm down to 00.1 ppm. this I use for diluting 35% H2o peroxide down to 3% also.

I can make a gallon of distilled water in about 4 hours.

For the CS I never add any salts and get 10-12 ppm in about an hour or so,I set my watch alarm at 5 min gaps so to clean the probes "important" if you don't want any bits in the solution.;)

As you near the hour it may be necessary to clean @ 3 min's as the probes blacken more as the solution gets stronger.

btw I microwave the glass jug of water till boiling about 14 min's per ltr, this speeds things up a bit...again I would recommend NOT adding any salts to the water as some people do.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9218/dscf23631.jpg

TDS meter ebay....V

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Handheld-Digital-TDS-Meter-carrying-case-/380175512092?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item588439f21c#ht_1380wt_1161

[madgoone]

Using Colloidal Silver - YouTube


Just found this info about the silver absorbtion,if you want the best absorbtion and the quickest cure it's going to have to go rectally:D:eek: but its not as bad as u think and its 100% absorbed straight into your blood.

[bush doctor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIPoTyZDL10


Just found this info about the silver absorbtion,if you want the best absorbtion and the quickest cure it's going to have to go rectally:D:eek: but its not as bad as u think and its 100% absorbed straight into your blood.

very good vid madgoone,though not sure of the rectal delivery method :eek:

I prefer this method VVV for the ultimate experience, this baby can run via your PC or batteries,you can get well soon anywhere :D:cool:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HUMIDIFIER-Desktop-Air-Freshener-Aromatheraphy-Diffuser-/250598098195?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Home_Garden_Hearing_Cooling_Air&var=&hash=item800ec271a3#ht_3711wt_1161

[elpressiedente]

I just read all 10 pages in this thread.
If one leaves out winegums posts it actually is very informative up to a point…

But…………. What if everyone here was wrong??

What if there are no “elements” no ‘protons’ or ‘neutrons’ or ‘electrons’ or ‘ions’ or even ‘atoms’?

What if the slave masters/reptilians or just plane the “powers that be” have purposely schooled the robotic humans to believe in “particle science” when maybe “field science” is more scientific? What if the science of the Periodic Table of the Elements is wrong? Wrong in the sense that maybe the explanation of what they perceive to be how the matrix of the universe is constructed verses evidence to the contrary so the theories of the atom and its particles might be inappropriate as a basis of explanations.

See thunderbolts.info for a totally different approach to understanding “matter”.

So then just what is “colloidal sliver”? (please spare me the details I know the mainstream theory of what is assumed to be happening in the glass of “water”)

As owner of a company that turned water into oil through the use of “field science”, (if let to dry it becomes very high grade coal.) we went on to turn water into silver using this same “magnetic field pattern” science.

This sort of draws a big question as to “hydrocarbons” and “fossil fuels” and even ppm.

Rife and others built devices based on the frequency of “life” to benefit “life”.

Could it be that the use of electricity (frequencied, pulsed or direct magnetic energy) upon silver wires in water makes the frequency of the “colloids” have a type of “radioactivity frequency” that gives the solution its “life killing” ability so as to benefit “life” as well?

Not all radiation or radioactivity is “killing” to life.

What if there was another way to impart the “frequency” of silver into water so there were NO blue skin or other adverse reactions?

Scientists today basically study the radiation from heavy metals. Maybe the radiation from non heavy metals like silver is more like the frequency devices of Rife? Which by the way is not “approved” research.

I have available a “silver transmuter” that does all that is proclaimed a “colloidal silver” maker does, but without any of the drawback/side effects that conventional science produces from any other commercial or homemade device.

Some use 9 volt DC batteries, some use up to 48 volts DC from a transformed AC pulsed magnetic field power supply. I can assure you that the voltage and wattage are very critical in the transmutting of water into silver. I question the science of burning water to purify it, and then using high voltage to force magnetic energy into silver wires to degrade the wire as little as possible as being as beneficial as one can be.

Some people just know… some knew that microwave cooking kills the consumer slowly, we also know “conventional colloidal” silver can be made better.

Upgrade the laws of chemistry and a whole new universe of inventions are conceivable.

21st century science is only opinions, and 21st century opinions are acts of terrorism. Without the latter there can be no improvement.

[les_paul_robot]

If you did a google search for colloidal silver here in the UK, are there any brands/stores anyone would recommend?

[ytch]

I had the luck to meet an very old guy living in the french alpes,
87 years old, almost ten years ago now.

He was the first one ever to tell me about colloidal silver, he seemed to be in mail- contact with Dr Beck, and used the cs mainly to cure skin- problems,
wounds and infections.

When he showed me how to produce cs I was thinking he is plain nuts,
he used an old trafo for usage in miniature- trains,
and the grips of old silver spoons, but he said they were not sterling, but 99.99 silver.

His very olk dog had a ugly eczem on his back,
he soaked a piece of tissue with the silver- water,put it on the inflamated area,
and I was surprised, to say the least, that an hour later
it was almost gone!

This has also convinced me that it´s not just a placebo- effect or thelike.

L&L,

y

[ytch]

Not UK "german site" very reasonable and fast delivery.

SILVER ELECTRODES FOR SELF PRODUCTION

We sell only purest 9999 german or US quality precious metal.

New in stock: the thin silver electrodes with 1.63mm Ø
Again avaiable: the 2,5mm Ø silverelectrodes









silver electrodes: 2x 2.55gr; 12cm x 1.63mm Ø purest 99,99% silver electrodes: 2x 2.55gr; 12cm x 1.63mm Ø
7,95 EUR

silver electrodes: 2x 3.2gr; 15cm x 1.63mm Ø purest 99,99% silver electrodes: 2x 3.2gr; 15cm x 1.63mm Ø
9,90 EUR

silver electrodes: 2x 5gr; 10cm x 2,5mm Ø German high quality product, 99.99 pure. Cut from roll.
14,45 EUR

silver electrodes: 2x 7.5gr; 15cm x 2,5mm Ø German high quality product, 99.99 pure. Cut from roll.
20,85 EUR



http://pulsar.li/en/kosi/silverelectrodes/index.php

I think I got my pieces of wire there, about 30€ for two cut pieces,
they came with an official certificate,
the results were brilliant,
and they last for a loooong time,
I can only recommend them.

L&L,

y

[loveisthelaw]

Ignore winegums. He/she is full of shit.

I've been making colloidal silver myself for months, it's one of the best overall health products a person can use.

Are you an alchemist? My dad passed away a few weeks ago, and along with his books I found some incense and a bottle of CS. He swore by it and so does a serious Alchemist friend of mine.

He also swears by oily eggs and all that stuff, so much so I am now looking into taking up Alchemy more seriously than the basics from reading. Real practical application apposed to theory.

[loveisthelaw]

I need to read more on this subject, how to modify the vibrations of the ingredients etc - if you can share some valid links I would appreciate it. I am going to stay with my friend in 2 weeks, to babysit his dog, so I will hopefully be able to borrow some of his books before I get my own.

[21_12_2012]

Are you an alchemist?

I'm not, but i make C.S. using a C.S. micro-particle machine, it's easy.

Let me know if you need any info.

I also make my own MMS (chlorine dioxide), and iodine.

3 essential substances (amongst others) to keep on top with health.

[the silver genie]

What if there was another way to impart the “frequency” of silver into water so there were NO blue skin or other adverse reactions?

When being made, some users use tap water (contaminated with minerals, etc) and/or salt. And there are no other "adverse reactions".

You sound like you might know something about chemistry, so you should know that the combination would result in Silver Chloride and not Colloidal Silver and in the case of home machines, Ionic Silver.

When studies have been done, you will notice the reference to "silver" or "silver compound of which Colloidal Silver happens to be part of.

Direct reports of CS causing Argyria are from the users that reported it thinking that it was what they were taking, when it wasn't and even then in most cases it had been abused.

How to make Colloidal Silver. (http://silvergenie-cs.com/inst.html)

Some use 9 volt DC batteries, some use up to 48 volts DC from a transformed AC pulsed magnetic field power supply. I can assure you that the voltage and wattage are very critical in the transmutting of water into silver. I question the science of burning water to purify it, and then using high voltage to force magnetic energy into silver wires to degrade the wire as little as possible as being as beneficial as one can be.

Well, for application for topical uses, plants, disinfectant, etc. that plan is great.

However, for the most effective internal use, the current in the process must be controlled to a low value of 1.5 ma or less. It has to do with particle size. Your voltage is in the ball park though.

See Do it yourself Colloidal Silver Generator (http://silvergenie-cs.com/diy.html) for a more detailed explanation.

[the silver genie]

I need to read more on this subject, how to modify the vibrations of the ingredients etc - if you can share some valid links I would appreciate it. I am going to stay with my friend in 2 weeks, to babysit his dog, so I will hopefully be able to borrow some of his books before I get my own.

Try this link Antibacterial effect of silver ion on E coli and staph.
(http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/pdf/3.pdf) or this one on Ionic Silver (http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Ionic-Silver/716630) or this Fda Silver (CASRN 7440-22-4) Report (http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm) (note it references "silver").

To see a list of common uses for Colloidal Silver see A Guide for Ionic Silver (http://www.silvergenie-cs.com/history.html)

[alzee]

This guy shows you how to make it yourself, and refreshingly neither he nor I are selling anything.

It's a simple method which works wonderfully.

[the silver genie]

This guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODCsawfyEPk) shows you how to make it yourself, and refreshingly neither he nor I are selling anything.

It's a simple method which works wonderfully.

Not sure if that was directed at my posts, but if it was, please note that the Do it yourself link offers this advice whether you buy our machine or not.

"We hope this helps you in deciding what type generator is best for you."

This is consistent with any information obtained from the site. Nothing is conditional on buying anything as noted by how few plugs are on most of the pages. The Silver Genie's primary goal is to provide as much basic information about Colloidal Silver as we can, with as much accuracy as possible.

I totally agree with everything this guy says (movie) and his attitude except his design and I always use .9999 pure silver. Everybody seems thinks you can just slam 2 wires into a phone jack, battery or xformer and away you go. That's OK if you don't mind a inferior quality product.

As far as the design goes, it is lacking in current control and the reason this is important is due to a thing called run away current as related to particle size.

This is easily overcome with a current control circuit. The current should be 1.5 ma or less. As the process starts the current is around 0.4 ma but after about 30 minutes it is around 5.0 ma, as the water becomes more conductive due the silver content.

For a more detailed explanation see the do it yourself page (http://silvergenie-cs.com/diy.html) don't get excited, you don't have to buy anything. Just look near the middle of the page.

He is also correct in that you want absolutely nothing in the distilled water but the silver rods.

Again, I don't care if you buy my machine or not, but please get the information right whether you buy my machine, from someone else or you do it yourself.

You turn blue or it doesn't work, we all look bad.

[earthicastar]

well.. that explains Krishna

[verndewd]

This guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODCsawfyEPk) shows you how to make it yourself, and refreshingly neither he nor I are selling anything.

It's a simple method which works wonderfully.

Been making it for over a year and beat 2 or 3 nasty colds with it in the span of a few days as well as what looked like male breast cancer. I have many good stories about CS including my aunt kicking diabetes :D

[the silver genie]

Been making it for over a year and beat 2 or 3 nasty colds with it in the span of a few days as well as what looked like male breast cancer. I have many good stories about CS including my aunt kicking diabetes :D

Like you, I've been making it and using it, in my case for over 10 years. Most recently I've been using on a tooth infection and it works within 2 to 3 days the infection is gone. I use it with my dogs, as too often the prescriptions don't work and a lot of other things.

However when you mentioned "my aunt kicking diabetes" you got my attention. Is she type 1 (insulin) or 2 (diet) or hypoglycemic (low sugar)?

I was diagnosed with diabetes 2 weeks ago and don't know yet if 1 or 2. Am taking 2 pills a day to control insulin/glucose levels and they're finally starting to go down. Around middle to high 200's. Need to be 120 or below.

I have heard many claims about diabetes, but yet to find any studies or documentation on treatment. I honestly haven't really looked that hard yet.

What have you or your aunt heard about treatment?

[alzee]

Not sure if that was directed at my posts, but if it was, please note that the Do it yourself link offers this advice whether you buy our machine or not.

"We hope this helps you in deciding what type generator is best for you."

This is consistent with any information obtained from the site. Nothing is conditional on buying anything as noted by how few plugs are on most of the pages. The Silver Genie's primary goal is to provide as much basic information about Colloidal Silver as we can, with as much accuracy as possible.

I totally agree with everything this guy says (movie) and his attitude except his design and I always use .9999 pure silver. Everybody seems thinks you can just slam 2 wires into a phone jack, battery or xformer and away you go. That's OK if you don't mind a inferior quality product.

As far as the design goes, it is lacking in current control and the reason this is important is due to a thing called run away current as related to particle size.

This is easily overcome with a current control circuit. The current should be 1.5 ma or less. As the process starts the current is around 0.4 ma but after about 30 minutes it is around 5.0 ma, as the water becomes more conductive due the silver content.

For a more detailed explanation see the do it yourself page (http://silvergenie-cs.com/diy.html) don't get excited, you don't have to buy anything. Just look near the middle of the page.

He is also correct in that you want absolutely nothing in the distilled water but the silver rods.

Again, I don't care if you buy my machine or not, but please get the information right whether you buy my machine, from someone else or you do it yourself.

You turn blue or it doesn't work, we all look bad.

To be fair, whether you insist on a product sale or not, the fact remains youre sending people to a page where you promote your device being 'better' at producing the 'right kind of CS'. I applaud the free info you also offer on the page but I suspect I'm not alone in suspecting that your motivations aren't the purest.

Also, whether you use batteries, a transformer or one of your devices, the 'quality' difference and results from the end product haven't been shown to be any better or worse. If methods like the one I linked are good enough for Dr Beck, theyre good enough for me.

[loveisthelaw]

Try this link Antibacterial effect of silver ion on E coli and staph.
(http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/pdf/3.pdf) or this one on Ionic Silver (http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Ionic-Silver/716630) or this Fda Silver (CASRN 7440-22-4) Report (http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm) (note it references "silver").

To see a list of common uses for Colloidal Silver see A Guide for Ionic Silver (http://www.silvergenie-cs.com/history.html)

Thanks, I can make the CS myself or get it on demand :) what I do not know how to do effectively is to raise the vibrations of various mixtures so they become more beneficial. Any product, not CS specific.

For instance, I had an abscess so was taking Echinacea and using tee tree oil, but if I had the Echinacea plant apposed to the herbal capsules, how do I go about raising the vibrations to make it effective? That's what I am really after.

[93krystalmoons]

it is harmless hints the word colloidal, small. Anyway, for skeptics out there I have used CS for over a year and have not turned into a smurf, or obtained any illnesses from sick people around me which proves it helps the immune system. :D

[the silver genie]

it is harmless hints the word colloidal, small. Anyway, for skeptics out there I have used CS for over a year and have not turned into a smurf, or obtained any illnesses from sick people around me which proves it helps the immune system. :D

As I said earlier, I've used CS extensively for over 10 years (home made) and like you, I'm not blue either.:cool:

Neither Colloidal Silver or Ionic Silver will turn you blue unless you make it wrong. If you do make it wrong, you normally end up with Silver Chloride and even then, you normally have to really abuse it to turn blue.

As far as I know, there are arguably between 3 and 8 documented cases of Argyria and at that some are just related to "Silver".

Now let me ask how many people die in plane crashes or car crashes? Yet, you still fly and you still drive or ride in vehicles. We're talking dead! Yet you fear that you might make history by healing yourself on the chance your skin turns blue (actually it is closer to gray). Go figure.

It just totally baffles me as to how people set their priorities.:confused:

All this blue garbage really drives me nuts. I cringe every time somebody says it.

[verndewd]

Like you, I've been making it and using it, in my case for over 10 years. Most recently I've been using on a tooth infection and it works within 2 to 3 days the infection is gone. I use it with my dogs, as too often the prescriptions don't work and a lot of other things.

However when you mentioned "my aunt kicking diabetes" you got my attention. Is she type 1 (insulin) or 2 (diet) or hypoglycemic (low sugar)?

I was diagnosed with diabetes 2 weeks ago and don't know yet if 1 or 2. Am taking 2 pills a day to control insulin/glucose levels and they're finally starting to go down. Around middle to high 200's. Need to be 120 or below.

I have heard many claims about diabetes, but yet to find any studies or documentation on treatment. I honestly haven't really looked that hard yet.

What have you or your aunt heard about treatment?

Last year I gave her a pint of cs and she took 4 tsp over a period of a month and the diabetes was gone at her next regular doctor visit. Also cured a necrotic spider bite on a womans labia with it. she used it for 2 days and went to the doctor and he said what ever youre doing , keep it up.

I give it to the cats and dogs as well. Oh and my aunts diabetes was dietary regulated , IMO she must have had a pathogen in her gland that messed up her insulin.

[verndewd]

If youre going to make silver make sure the water is 0ppm desalinated ,ozonated,distilled, reverse ozmosis, and micro filtered.

If you ingest enough silver salts and protiens you can have serious issues, among them is deterioration of the frontal lobe and death.

[verndewd]

testimonials of dewd and friends
Symptoms——————————————————————–
I have taken this for 3 days now and I can feel it in my body, also ron the

asst Idaho organizer has been taking it for 2 days as well as my cousin who

has a serious cold.

her doctor perscribed 1400 mkg per day which is 4x the RDA safe amount from

the FDA. I changed her docs perscription to 200 MKG the first two days with

periodic nasal flushing using the colloid. Her second day of use shows vast

improvements over her bodies ability to deal with the cold.

her husband had this cold and was coughing up blood from irritated mucous

membranes in the throat.

I have some in a spray bottle at 10 ppm diluted to around 6 I used for my

dads dogs eye infection. after 2 treatments the eye is clear, using up to 6

sprays per treatment.



Cousins cold went away in 3 days looked up symptoms of swine flu and it was

almost a perfect match.
By Mayo Clinic staff

http://www.mayoclinic…

Knowing the signs and symptoms of breast cancer may help save your life. The

earlier the disease is discovered, the more treatment options and the better

chance of recovery you have.

The most common sign of breast cancer for both men and women is a lump or

thickening in the breast. Often the lump is painless. Other male breast

cancer symptoms include:

■Skin dimpling or puckering
■Development of a new retraction or indentation of the nipple
■Changes in the nipple or breast skin, such as scaling or redness
■Nipple discharge
My case——————————————————————-
Also a lump beneath the nipple that was extended outward about 1/2 inch

towards the left armpit.
Discharge is clear symptoms have been around about a week or 2.

I dont have the camera facilities to prove this on film or the clarity of

video. The discharge and lump is real, and has shrunk by half after

restarting colloidal silver going into day 2.

I cant diagnose it as cancer but I do have 2 of the symptoms or more as the

area was irritated and felt like it had sharp objects in it when pressed

upon.

Today it is softer and noticeably smaller.

if this goes away with CS consumption , ill be damned if I ever listen to

the establishment about colloids . My precaution to colloid users is low

mkg. and not following High mkg users examples.

It doesnt take much colloidal silver to have a great effect. anyone with the

doubters syndrom is invited to prove for themselves that I have a lump and

it does drain in my pectoral.

It may not be cancer but it is there and its half the size it was 2 days

ago.

Possible causes:
Just did a 3 day intestinal cleanse with DE andit could be a byproduct of

toxins released by that. It did seem to occur directly after the cleansing.

A while ago I posted about a lump in my chest ( possible male breast cancer)

it is nearly gone and I have another testimonial to give you.

My $$$$$$ friend was bitten in an extremely sensitive area by a hobo, , my

cousin immediately gave her some of the silver water and 2 days later she

was admitted into the hospital because the necrosis and pain was

debilitating.

Upon seeing the bite the doctor said ” whatever youre doing keep doing it”

so we sent her 16 ounces to apply externally and take internally.

spider bite near labia———————————————

Sent a bottle down instructing her on topical use only until antibiotics

were done so that silver wouldnt block them and then to take 1-2 tsp daily

after and apply it twice daily to the area.

she reported rapid healing and it was almost gone a week later. No further

updates yet.
My aunt was diagnosed with diabetes a year ago and after 4 tsp of cs there

are no signs of diabetes.she discontinued use after it started blocking

heart meds and has been clear of diabetes now for a couple months.

study——————————————————————
A Promising Cure for URTI Pandemics, Including H5N1 and SARS: Has the Final

Solution to the Coming Plagues Been Discovered? (Part II)

by Eric Gordon, MD and Kent Holtorf, MD
April 2006
Historical Virotoxicity of Oligodynamic Silver
Viruses cause most upper respiratory tract infections (URTIs), such as

adenovirus, coronavirus, coxsackievirus, influenza virus, parainfluenza

virus, respiratory syncytial virus, and rhinovirus, which account for the

majority of cases.1 A broad-spectrum anti-viral agent that really works is

needed to combat over 200 viruses that cause URTIs.2 Undoubtedly

oligodynamic silver fits this bill.

Emerging medical studies confirm the stellar, broad-spectrum virotoxic

efficacy of oligodynamic silver (Ag+) both in vitro and in vivo. This

includes some of the most formidable viral organisms like HIV (including co

-infections) 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and Herpesvirus hominis (HSV).11, 12,

13, 14, 15, 16, 17 Despite the low yields of oligodynamic Ag+ of the past

100 years common to silver-based drugs, the collective authoritative medical

literature has documented efficacy of Ag+�s virotoxicity against over 24

viruses. For the viruses relevant to URTIs, the following are known to

succumb to oligodynamic Ag+:

Adenovirus;18, 13
Coxsackie virus type B-3 (CB-3);19
Influenzae (strains not identified);20, 21, 22
Influenza A;13, 19
Influenza B (Haemophilus influenzae);23
Rhinovirus type 1A;19 and
HSV�(URTI), as referenced above.

Historical Bactericidal Properties of Oligodynamic Silver in URTI

Oligodynamic Ag+’s antimicrobial efficacy extends well beyond its

virotoxicity. Oligodynamic Ag+’s lethal effects span across all microbial

domains (viral, bacterial, and fungal). The following URTI-related bacteria

are known to be susceptible to oligodynamic Ag+:

Beta hemolytic streptococci, 24, 25, 11, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 which causes

tonsillopharyngeal cellulitis, tonsillopharyngeal abscess29 (including

reduced nasopharangeal abscesses),32 otitis media,33, 29, 31 plus

sinusitis,34, 31, 35 and up to ten percent of cases of adult pharyngitis36

and the associated condition � scarlet fever;33

Streptococcus pneumonia;23
Corynebacterium diphtheriae;37, 11, 33, 26
Neisseria gonorrhoeae;25, 29, 38, 33, 39, 40, 41
Herpesvirus hominis (HSV);11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 5, 17
Klebsiella pneumoniae;42, 27, 23
Haemophilus influenzae; 23
Bordetella pertussis;32, 31 causes less than 10% of acute tracheobronchitis

cases; and
Mycobacterium (Tuberculosis)38, 31.
Inflammatory conditions of the eyes, ears, nose, and throat;43, 44, 39, 40,

31, 45
Spring Catarrh;29 and
Pneumococci46/Pneumonia.47
Case History

����������� Perhaps oligodynamic Ag+’s most compelling nature lies in its ability

to successfully eradicate pervasive primary and secondary co-infections

simultaneously. A controlled trial, the equivalent of a “best case series”

concerning two groups of advanced AIDS (Candidiasis and Wasting Syndrome)

with immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) demonstrated complete sero-negative

conversion after a single treatment with oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol. The

studies were conducted at a medical facility in Lucha Contra el Sida,

Comayaguela, Tegucigalpa, Honduras , Central America.

Quoting from the study, “Furthermore, said devices [silver oxide hydrosol]

are capable of killing pathogens and purging the bloodstream of immune

suppressing moieties (ISM) whether or not created by the AIDS virus (HIV);

so as to restore the immune system.”3 (Brackets added by authors.)

This single treatment delivered a total of 200 mg of silver for a 70

kilogram patient, well within the lowest observed adverse event level

(LOAEL) established by the EPA for injected silver.48 Unlike picoscalar

oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol devoid of silver oxide, the former required

activation into an oligodynamic state with persulfate. Nevertheless, the

results were astounding.

Pharmacology

Pharmacokinetics is concerned with how the body affects the Absorption,

Distribution, Metabolism, and Excretion (ADME) of the silver-based drug:

Time course of Absorption: The absorption of picoscalar silver hydrosol is

nearly instantaneous. An average picoscalar Ag+ particle size of eight

angstroms results in a Particle Diffusion Coefficient approaching 10-5

cm2/second,49 which exponentially facilitates tissue absorption over

previous versions of silver hydrosols.
Time course of Distribution: “In rats, silver was unevenly distributed in

organs and tissues following� intravenous injection (wherein) the highest

concentrations were found, in decreasing order, in the liver, pancreas,

spleen, and plasma (Klaassen 1979a).”50 It has been observed that I.V.

silver administration will readily pass the so-called blood-brain barrier,51

presumably allowing for interface and intervention with pathogens or prions

associated with neuropathologies (i.e., ALS, MS, polio, spinal meningitis,

viral encephalitis, and possibly BSE/hCJD – Mad Cow Disease).52, 53, 54, 13
Time course of Metabolism: At the cell level, Argyrophil I reduction

reactions convert oligodynamic silver ions into colloidal grains of neutral

silver now bound to the same tissue section.55 This reaction is reversible.

In 1979, Gallyas demonstrated that transformation of inactive silver back

into bioactive silver takes place as the tissue itself becomes oxidized.56

White blood cells (WBCs) are dedicated to such oxidizing mechanisms, and

since WBCs are known to hoard silver particles out of the blood stream,57,

58 it is likely immunity is greatly enhanced with oligodynamic silver.
Time course of Excretion: No matter how silver is administered, the

predominant route of elimination is the feces.59, 60 Depending upon the type

of silver-based drug used, the mammal studied, and the route of

administration, the biologic half-life of silver is reported to range from 2

to 4 days to months.59, 60, �61 This provides a 12 to 24 hour therapeutic

window to recharge spent silver in vivo by way of H2O2 I.V. drip

administration.

Modern and Historical Body Pharmacodynamics

����������� Pharmacodynamics relates to the biochemical and physiological effects

of the drug upon the body or pathogen. Those effects include the following:

WBC Upregulation: Oligodynamic Ag+ appears to modulate and/or upregulate

reactive oxygen species (ROS) generated by WBCs. ROS are the strategic hand

grenades utilized by WBCs to destroy pathogens. It is now becoming clear

that oligodynamic Ag+ promotes the respiratory burst of WBCs.62, 58
Lymphocytic Migratory Modulation: The potential of oligodynamic Ag+ to help

support chemotaxis and tissue targeting by lymphocytes is self-evident

because of its propensity to generate Jarisch-Herxheimer Effects (JHEs).

JHEs modulate inflammatory cytokines which, in turn, can enhance lymphocytic

migration.63, 64, 58 More work needs to be done to confirm this action of

silver during JHEs.
Leucocytogenesis/leucocytosis Induction: As early as 1916, it was noted that

oligodynamic/colloidal silver formulations induced leukocytosis.65 Bechhold

confirmed that preliminary evidence was documented for oligodynamic silver

to increase both RBC and WBC counts, but only after an initial hemolytic

action took place that was transitory and typically uneventful.66 One recent

pilot study reported that high (120 cc of 1500 ppm silver equaling 180 mg of

silver) concentrations of mild silver protein (MSP) given at one time can

induce severe pancytopenia. Nevertheless, a total recovery rapidly

ensued.65, 67
Phagocytic Index: A comprehensive retrospective text provided by Bechhold in

1919 supported oligodynamic silver’s ability to upregulate the phagocytic

index.68 Today’s peer-reviewed literature has clarified these properties for

oligodynamic Ag+ as documented in the preceding three paragraphs.
Jarisch-Herxheimer Events (JHEs): Rapidly self-resolving, uneventful

hepatomegaly may be seen in beneficial outcomes when extremely large doses

of oligodynamic Ag+ are given at one time (i.e., ≥ 50 mg silver). Such

beneficial outcomes may undergo mid-process events that reveal interim

transitory and self-resolving liver enzyme elevation due to fragmentation of

pathogen loads from infected host liver cells (i.e., classical Jarisch-

Herxheimer, autolysis, or apoptotic induction events).69, 70, 71 Likewise,

self-limiting, self-resolving hemolysis, myalgia, rigors, fevers, malaise,

headaches, nausea, and, rarely, a transitory immune system activation of

coagulation (ISAC) may result from events associated with die-off. 72 �To

mitigate these events, see Post-JHEs Management below.

Pathogen-Associated Pharmacodynamics
Particle charge

Feng has noted, ‘It is revealed that bulk silver in an oxygen-charged

aqueous media catalyzes the complete destructive oxidation of

microorganisms. Silver and hydrogen peroxide acted synergistically on the

viability of E. coli K-12. It appears that the combined toxic effect of

silver and hydrogen peroxide may be related with damage to cellular

proteins. However, the mechanism of antimicrobial effects of silver is still

not fully understood. The effects of silver ions on bacteria may be

complicated; however, direct observation of the morphological and structural

changes may provide useful information for understanding the comprehensive

antibacterial effects and the process of inhibition of silver ions.”73

(Italics added by authors.)

Further elucidation on the complicated effects of nanoscalar Ag+ on bacteria

now extends beyond its known (a) lethal oxidation of the pathogen. It also

involves (b) an “intermolecular electron transfer,” resulting in an

electrocution of the pathogen;3 (c) a binding and chelating to essential

pathogen receptor sites, which defeats the pathogen’s mechanisms of invasion

into host cells;3 (d) an ion non-dependent heightened catalytic action74 and

(e) cleavage, which fragments essential pathogen/proteinaceous structures.75
Particle size

The size of each oligodynamic Ag+ particle in colloidal dispersion creates a

cumulative surface area. Such surface area is of utmost importance. (See

Baker et al. below) The antimicrobial actions of biocatalysts like

oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol are directly proportional to the adsorption power

upon a pathogen.76 Ostwald demonstrated there was a geometric progression

related to the surface area of hydrosol silver particles by assuming a

starting point of one cubic centimeter of silver. When silver is

incrementally reduced into smaller and smaller cubes, the net silver

particles produced will eventually approach six square kilometer surface

areas:77, 78

Uniform picoscalar oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol generates an adsorption power

many magnitudes of order greater than any previous silver hydrosol product.

A high nanometer nanoscalar silver product produced in a NASA-funded

experiment produced the following observation in regards to adsorption

power: “It had already been noted that at 104 cells ml-1 and 50 ppb of

silver ions, there are approximately 2.8 x 1010 silver ions per cell. This

is a commentary on the use of the term ‘oligodynamic.’ In the most extreme

situation (104 cells ml-1 with 250 ppb of silver), if one estimates the dry

weight of a bacterial cell at 2.5 x 10-13 g, there should actually be more

than one silver ion in the system for every atom in every bacterial cell.”79

(Italics added by authors.)
Particle concentration

See the following section on Therapeutic Index (TI).
Therapeutic Index

Fundamentally, the Therapeutic Index (TI) range falls specifically between

silver concentration levels that will be toxic to the host versus non-toxic

silver concentration levels that will reliably and consistently cure

infection. The EPA has established one end of the TI by determining the

lowest observed adverse event level (LOAEL) for both intravenous and oral

intake. Note that only a non-pathological cosmetic discoloration (i.e.,

argyria) is established as the sole “adverse event.” Comprehensive

retrospective analysis spanning over 56 years by EPA80 and ATSDR81 found NO

other adverse events associated with silver exposure. For a 70 kilogram

patient, intravenous silver is limited to one (1) gram over any two-to nine

-year period, and for oral intake, to twenty-five (25) grams over a 70-year

period. These values reflect the best gauge to prevent argyric iatrogenesis.

To determine the other end of the TI, the following publications

collectively provide compelling data regarding safe and effective dosage

levels for oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol when treating a broad scope of human

infections:

Zhao et al. provided an excellent retrospective review on the key 13 factors

critical to the chief pharmacodynamic in vitro parameters establishing

oligodynamic Ag+’s therapeusis, including the complete inhibitory

concentrations (CIC), the Minimum Bactericidal Concentration (MBC), as well

as the log killing time (LKT).82

A comprehensive study commissioned by NASA reported that, “Three experiments

were done with E. coli. The first two employed silver propionate (a silver

salt). Cell populations were quite stable at room temperature in the absence

of the added silver. The silver killed the cells. The process was not

precisely exponential, but there was no indication that killing would not

ultimately be complete. The extinction times (10-4 killing) might have

ranged from < 2 hrs. to approximately 4 hrs. at 50 ppb of silver and from <

1 hr to approximately 2 hrs. at 250 ppb. Silver from the electrolytic ion

generator was used in the third experiment, and the probable extinction

times were approximately 4 hrs. and approximately 2 hrs. again at 50 and 250

ppb, respectively.”83

Berger has shown that the minimal lethal dose (MLD) for both gram-positive

and gram-negative pathogens with oligodynamic Ag+ is ten to 100 times

greater than silver sulfadiazine (also a silver salt).84

More recently, an in vitro study by Baker et al. found that, “Nanometer-

sized silver particles were� found to exhibit antibacterial effects at low

concentrations. The antibacterial properties were related to the total

surface area of the nanoparticles. Smaller particles with a larger surface

to volume ratio provided a more efficient means for antibacterial activity.

The nanoparticles were found to be completely cytotoxic to E. coli for

surface concentrations as low as 8 microg of Ag/cm2.”85

These in vitro studies follow closely to the authoritative medical

literature for in vivo applications. The key to in vivo dosing is saturating

the foci (whether local or systemic) with approximately 1 ppm to

approximately 10 ppm oligodynamic Ag+ for acute infectious processes, and up

to 27 ppm for chronic infectious with heavy pathogen loads.

For example, in acute local and systemic infectious processes, the older,

authoritative medical literature reported on two popular silver hydrosol

products used to treat humans, namely Collosol Argentum and Electrargol.

Collosol Argentum, also known as Colsargen, was a 500 ppm concentration of

silver in water, equivalent to 500 mcg/cc. For local infections, it was

diluted to a 167 ppm concentration. “For injections in systemic infections

the recommended dose is 30 drops (2 cc.).”86 Therefore, the typical I.V.

dosage for systemic infections totaled 1 mg of silver as silver hydrosol.

However, for more severe acute and invasive infections such as advanced

puerperal septicemia, a clinical report appearing in The Lancet called for

up to 20cc administered as an I.V. push 2 to 4 times weekly.87 In summary,

the typical I.V. push dose in such situations would be the equivalent of 10

mg elemental silver. For today’s equivalency, this translates into 400cc to

500cc of a hypotonic picoscalar oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol rendered isotonic

with sorbitol (4.9 grams sorbitol per 100cc hydrosol mixed together at the

time of administration ~280mOSM) with a concentration range between 20ppm

and 25ppm respectively.

Electrargol was a 400 ppm concentration of silver in water equivalent to 400

mcg/cc.88, 89 “The dose is 80 to 160 drops (5-10 cc.), injected

intramuscularly or directly into a vein.” 86 This dose was given several

times weekly when indicated.90, 53 Therefore, the typical single I.V. dosage

totaled 2 mg to 4 mg silver as silver hydrosol.

So, what would be the modern dose equivalents when treating for acute local

or systemic infections for a picoscalar silver hydrosol containing a pure

oligodynamic content of 20 ppm to 25 ppm Ag+? Answer: I.V. dosages given

once or several times weekly for an average 70 kilo patient, as either a

50cc to 75cc slow push or 150cc to 200cc isotonic drip, as indicated. When

exceeding 150cc in a single I.V. drip, it is important to diligently monitor

for hemolysis with urine dip sticks. Limit dosage on subsequent treatments

to 150cc if significant hemolysis warrants. Insignificant levels of

hemolysis need not alter dosage levels.

For chronic infections with heavy loads and co-infections, what are the in

vivo guidelines for utilizing I.V. oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol in humans?

Research conducted at a medical facility in Lucha Contra el Sida,

Comayaguela (discussed above) appears to have determined this guideline, as

well as the other end of the TI for oligodynamic Ag+. The study’s conclusion

found that the equivalent91 of 27 ppm oligodynamic Ag+ (as the target

saturation point for the blood plasma) was sufficient to completely convert

to sero-negative all advanced AIDS patients presenting with frank

Candidiasis or Wasting Syndrome, when provided as a single treatment dose.3

To approach a 27 ppm blood plasma concentration with a 20 ppm to 25 ppm

oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol formulation, see the following section on Protocol

Proposal.

101 De Whalley CV, et al. Biochem Pharmacology, 1990;39:1743-50.

[the silver genie]

Last year I gave her a pint of cs and she took 4 tsp over a period of a month and the diabetes was gone at her next regular doctor visit.

That's super! was that 1 tsp 4 x day?

Also cured a necrotic spider bite on a womans labia with it. she used it for 2 days and went to the doctor and he said what ever youre doing , keep it up.

OOOUCH!!!:eek:

Oh and my aunts diabetes was dietary regulated , IMO she must have had a pathogen in her gland that messed up her insulin.

I believe that is the case with me. I caught something about 1 1/2 or 2 months ago and within 30 minutes of showing mild nausea I spent the next 1 1/2 days in the bathroom and was finally able to swallow some silver with out loosing it immediately.

And that is where I believe my pancreas became involved.

I'm taking about an ounce 2 x day. Think I may switch to 1/2 oz 4 x day.

BTW my glucose level is down to 210 tonight, but I am taking a medication to control it as well. So we'll see what happens in my case.

[the silver genie]

If youre going to make silver make sure the water is 0ppm desalinated ,ozonated,distilled, reverse ozmosis, and micro filtered.

Not real sure if you're recommending all these methods or had all this done to the water.

Personally, I recommend only using the best "distilled" water you can get. I do not recommend using only reverse osmosis.

If you ingest enough silver salts and protiens you can have serious issues, among them is deterioration of the frontal lobe and death.

If made properly, there are no traces of salts or proteins, only ionic and colloidal silver components.

FDA has no known documentation of any deaths connected to colloidal or ionic silver. If you notice in their and others documentation it will usual be referencing "silver" or some other "silver compound" and NOT specifically Colloidal Silver.

Silver (CASRN 7440-22-4) (http://www.epa.gov/ncea/iris/subst/0099.htm) * Conversion Factors: Based on conversion from the total i.v. dose to a total oral dose of 25 g (i.v. dose of 1 g divided by 0.04, assumed oral retention factor; see Furchner et al., 1968 in Additional Comments section) and dividing by 70 kg (adult body weight) and 25,500 days (a lifetime, or 70 years).

[the silver genie]

her doctor perscribed 1400 mkg per day which is 4x the RDA safe amount from

the FDA. I changed her docs perscription to 200 MKG the first two days with

periodic nasal flushing using the colloid. Her second day of use shows vast

improvements over her bodies ability to deal with the cold.

her husband had this cold and was coughing up blood from irritated mucous

membranes in the throat.

What country do you live in that the Dr. is allowed to and smart enough to prescribe CS?:confused:

[93krystalmoons]

testimonials of dewd and friends
Symptoms——————————————————————–
I have taken this for 3 days now and I can feel it in my body, also ron the

asst Idaho organizer has been taking it for 2 days as well as my cousin who

has a serious cold.

her doctor perscribed 1400 mkg per day which is 4x the RDA safe amount from

the FDA. I changed her docs perscription to 200 MKG the first two days with

periodic nasal flushing using the colloid. Her second day of use shows vast

improvements over her bodies ability to deal with the cold.

her husband had this cold and was coughing up blood from irritated mucous

membranes in the throat.

I have some in a spray bottle at 10 ppm diluted to around 6 I used for my

dads dogs eye infection. after 2 treatments the eye is clear, using up to 6

sprays per treatment.



Cousins cold went away in 3 days looked up symptoms of swine flu and it was

almost a perfect match.
By Mayo Clinic staff

http://www.mayoclinic…

Knowing the signs and symptoms of breast cancer may help save your life. The

earlier the disease is discovered, the more treatment options and the better

chance of recovery you have.

The most common sign of breast cancer for both men and women is a lump or

thickening in the breast. Often the lump is painless. Other male breast

cancer symptoms include:

■Skin dimpling or puckering
■Development of a new retraction or indentation of the nipple
■Changes in the nipple or breast skin, such as scaling or redness
■Nipple discharge
My case——————————————————————-
Also a lump beneath the nipple that was extended outward about 1/2 inch

towards the left armpit.
Discharge is clear symptoms have been around about a week or 2.

I dont have the camera facilities to prove this on film or the clarity of

video. The discharge and lump is real, and has shrunk by half after

restarting colloidal silver going into day 2.

I cant diagnose it as cancer but I do have 2 of the symptoms or more as the

area was irritated and felt like it had sharp objects in it when pressed

upon.

Today it is softer and noticeably smaller.

if this goes away with CS consumption , ill be damned if I ever listen to

the establishment about colloids . My precaution to colloid users is low

mkg. and not following High mkg users examples.

It doesnt take much colloidal silver to have a great effect. anyone with the

doubters syndrom is invited to prove for themselves that I have a lump and

it does drain in my pectoral.

It may not be cancer but it is there and its half the size it was 2 days

ago.

Possible causes:
Just did a 3 day intestinal cleanse with DE andit could be a byproduct of

toxins released by that. It did seem to occur directly after the cleansing.

A while ago I posted about a lump in my chest ( possible male breast cancer)

it is nearly gone and I have another testimonial to give you.

My $$$$$$ friend was bitten in an extremely sensitive area by a hobo, , my

cousin immediately gave her some of the silver water and 2 days later she

was admitted into the hospital because the necrosis and pain was

debilitating.

Upon seeing the bite the doctor said ” whatever youre doing keep doing it”

so we sent her 16 ounces to apply externally and take internally.

spider bite near labia———————————————

Sent a bottle down instructing her on topical use only until antibiotics

were done so that silver wouldnt block them and then to take 1-2 tsp daily

after and apply it twice daily to the area.

she reported rapid healing and it was almost gone a week later. No further

updates yet.
My aunt was diagnosed with diabetes a year ago and after 4 tsp of cs there

are no signs of diabetes.she discontinued use after it started blocking

heart meds and has been clear of diabetes now for a couple months.

study——————————————————————
A Promising Cure for URTI Pandemics, Including H5N1 and SARS: Has the Final

Solution to the Coming Plagues Been Discovered? (Part II)

by Eric Gordon, MD and Kent Holtorf, MD
April 2006
Historical Virotoxicity of Oligodynamic Silver
Viruses cause most upper respiratory tract infections (URTIs), such as

adenovirus, coronavirus, coxsackievirus, influenza virus, parainfluenza

virus, respiratory syncytial virus, and rhinovirus, which account for the

majority of cases.1 A broad-spectrum anti-viral agent that really works is

needed to combat over 200 viruses that cause URTIs.2 Undoubtedly

oligodynamic silver fits this bill.

Emerging medical studies confirm the stellar, broad-spectrum virotoxic

efficacy of oligodynamic silver (Ag+) both in vitro and in vivo. This

includes some of the most formidable viral organisms like HIV (including co

-infections) 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and Herpesvirus hominis (HSV).11, 12,

13, 14, 15, 16, 17 Despite the low yields of oligodynamic Ag+ of the past

100 years common to silver-based drugs, the collective authoritative medical

literature has documented efficacy of Ag+�s virotoxicity against over 24

viruses. For the viruses relevant to URTIs, the following are known to

succumb to oligodynamic Ag+:

Adenovirus;18, 13
Coxsackie virus type B-3 (CB-3);19
Influenzae (strains not identified);20, 21, 22
Influenza A;13, 19
Influenza B (Haemophilus influenzae);23
Rhinovirus type 1A;19 and
HSV�(URTI), as referenced above.

Historical Bactericidal Properties of Oligodynamic Silver in URTI

Oligodynamic Ag+’s antimicrobial efficacy extends well beyond its

virotoxicity. Oligodynamic Ag+’s lethal effects span across all microbial

domains (viral, bacterial, and fungal). The following URTI-related bacteria

are known to be susceptible to oligodynamic Ag+:

Beta hemolytic streptococci, 24, 25, 11, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31 which causes

tonsillopharyngeal cellulitis, tonsillopharyngeal abscess29 (including

reduced nasopharangeal abscesses),32 otitis media,33, 29, 31 plus

sinusitis,34, 31, 35 and up to ten percent of cases of adult pharyngitis36

and the associated condition � scarlet fever;33

Streptococcus pneumonia;23
Corynebacterium diphtheriae;37, 11, 33, 26
Neisseria gonorrhoeae;25, 29, 38, 33, 39, 40, 41
Herpesvirus hominis (HSV);11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 5, 17
Klebsiella pneumoniae;42, 27, 23
Haemophilus influenzae; 23
Bordetella pertussis;32, 31 causes less than 10% of acute tracheobronchitis

cases; and
Mycobacterium (Tuberculosis)38, 31.
Inflammatory conditions of the eyes, ears, nose, and throat;43, 44, 39, 40,

31, 45
Spring Catarrh;29 and
Pneumococci46/Pneumonia.47
Case History

����������� Perhaps oligodynamic Ag+’s most compelling nature lies in its ability

to successfully eradicate pervasive primary and secondary co-infections

simultaneously. A controlled trial, the equivalent of a “best case series”

concerning two groups of advanced AIDS (Candidiasis and Wasting Syndrome)

with immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) demonstrated complete sero-negative

conversion after a single treatment with oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol. The

studies were conducted at a medical facility in Lucha Contra el Sida,

Comayaguela, Tegucigalpa, Honduras , Central America.

Quoting from the study, “Furthermore, said devices [silver oxide hydrosol]

are capable of killing pathogens and purging the bloodstream of immune

suppressing moieties (ISM) whether or not created by the AIDS virus (HIV);

so as to restore the immune system.”3 (Brackets added by authors.)

This single treatment delivered a total of 200 mg of silver for a 70

kilogram patient, well within the lowest observed adverse event level

(LOAEL) established by the EPA for injected silver.48 Unlike picoscalar

oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol devoid of silver oxide, the former required

activation into an oligodynamic state with persulfate. Nevertheless, the

results were astounding.

Pharmacology

Pharmacokinetics is concerned with how the body affects the Absorption,

Distribution, Metabolism, and Excretion (ADME) of the silver-based drug:

Time course of Absorption: The absorption of picoscalar silver hydrosol is

nearly instantaneous. An average picoscalar Ag+ particle size of eight

angstroms results in a Particle Diffusion Coefficient approaching 10-5

cm2/second,49 which exponentially facilitates tissue absorption over

previous versions of silver hydrosols.
Time course of Distribution: “In rats, silver was unevenly distributed in

organs and tissues following� intravenous injection (wherein) the highest

concentrations were found, in decreasing order, in the liver, pancreas,

spleen, and plasma (Klaassen 1979a).”50 It has been observed that I.V.

silver administration will readily pass the so-called blood-brain barrier,51

presumably allowing for interface and intervention with pathogens or prions

associated with neuropathologies (i.e., ALS, MS, polio, spinal meningitis,

viral encephalitis, and possibly BSE/hCJD – Mad Cow Disease).52, 53, 54, 13
Time course of Metabolism: At the cell level, Argyrophil I reduction

reactions convert oligodynamic silver ions into colloidal grains of neutral

silver now bound to the same tissue section.55 This reaction is reversible.

In 1979, Gallyas demonstrated that transformation of inactive silver back

into bioactive silver takes place as the tissue itself becomes oxidized.56

White blood cells (WBCs) are dedicated to such oxidizing mechanisms, and

since WBCs are known to hoard silver particles out of the blood stream,57,

58 it is likely immunity is greatly enhanced with oligodynamic silver.
Time course of Excretion: No matter how silver is administered, the

predominant route of elimination is the feces.59, 60 Depending upon the type

of silver-based drug used, the mammal studied, and the route of

administration, the biologic half-life of silver is reported to range from 2

to 4 days to months.59, 60, �61 This provides a 12 to 24 hour therapeutic

window to recharge spent silver in vivo by way of H2O2 I.V. drip

administration.

Modern and Historical Body Pharmacodynamics

����������� Pharmacodynamics relates to the biochemical and physiological effects

of the drug upon the body or pathogen. Those effects include the following:

WBC Upregulation: Oligodynamic Ag+ appears to modulate and/or upregulate

reactive oxygen species (ROS) generated by WBCs. ROS are the strategic hand

grenades utilized by WBCs to destroy pathogens. It is now becoming clear

that oligodynamic Ag+ promotes the respiratory burst of WBCs.62, 58
Lymphocytic Migratory Modulation: The potential of oligodynamic Ag+ to help

support chemotaxis and tissue targeting by lymphocytes is self-evident

because of its propensity to generate Jarisch-Herxheimer Effects (JHEs).

JHEs modulate inflammatory cytokines which, in turn, can enhance lymphocytic

migration.63, 64, 58 More work needs to be done to confirm this action of

silver during JHEs.
Leucocytogenesis/leucocytosis Induction: As early as 1916, it was noted that

oligodynamic/colloidal silver formulations induced leukocytosis.65 Bechhold

confirmed that preliminary evidence was documented for oligodynamic silver

to increase both RBC and WBC counts, but only after an initial hemolytic

action took place that was transitory and typically uneventful.66 One recent

pilot study reported that high (120 cc of 1500 ppm silver equaling 180 mg of

silver) concentrations of mild silver protein (MSP) given at one time can

induce severe pancytopenia. Nevertheless, a total recovery rapidly

ensued.65, 67
Phagocytic Index: A comprehensive retrospective text provided by Bechhold in

1919 supported oligodynamic silver’s ability to upregulate the phagocytic

index.68 Today’s peer-reviewed literature has clarified these properties for

oligodynamic Ag+ as documented in the preceding three paragraphs.
Jarisch-Herxheimer Events (JHEs): Rapidly self-resolving, uneventful

hepatomegaly may be seen in beneficial outcomes when extremely large doses

of oligodynamic Ag+ are given at one time (i.e., ≥ 50 mg silver). Such

beneficial outcomes may undergo mid-process events that reveal interim

transitory and self-resolving liver enzyme elevation due to fragmentation of

pathogen loads from infected host liver cells (i.e., classical Jarisch-

Herxheimer, autolysis, or apoptotic induction events).69, 70, 71 Likewise,

self-limiting, self-resolving hemolysis, myalgia, rigors, fevers, malaise,

headaches, nausea, and, rarely, a transitory immune system activation of

coagulation (ISAC) may result from events associated with die-off. 72 �To

mitigate these events, see Post-JHEs Management below.

Pathogen-Associated Pharmacodynamics
Particle charge

Feng has noted, ‘It is revealed that bulk silver in an oxygen-charged

aqueous media catalyzes the complete destructive oxidation of

microorganisms. Silver and hydrogen peroxide acted synergistically on the

viability of E. coli K-12. It appears that the combined toxic effect of

silver and hydrogen peroxide may be related with damage to cellular

proteins. However, the mechanism of antimicrobial effects of silver is still

not fully understood. The effects of silver ions on bacteria may be

complicated; however, direct observation of the morphological and structural

changes may provide useful information for understanding the comprehensive

antibacterial effects and the process of inhibition of silver ions.”73

(Italics added by authors.)

Further elucidation on the complicated effects of nanoscalar Ag+ on bacteria

now extends beyond its known (a) lethal oxidation of the pathogen. It also

involves (b) an “intermolecular electron transfer,” resulting in an

electrocution of the pathogen;3 (c) a binding and chelating to essential

pathogen receptor sites, which defeats the pathogen’s mechanisms of invasion

into host cells;3 (d) an ion non-dependent heightened catalytic action74 and

(e) cleavage, which fragments essential pathogen/proteinaceous structures.75
Particle size

The size of each oligodynamic Ag+ particle in colloidal dispersion creates a

cumulative surface area. Such surface area is of utmost importance. (See

Baker et al. below) The antimicrobial actions of biocatalysts like

oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol are directly proportional to the adsorption power

upon a pathogen.76 Ostwald demonstrated there was a geometric progression

related to the surface area of hydrosol silver particles by assuming a

starting point of one cubic centimeter of silver. When silver is

incrementally reduced into smaller and smaller cubes, the net silver

particles produced will eventually approach six square kilometer surface

areas:77, 78

Uniform picoscalar oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol generates an adsorption power

many magnitudes of order greater than any previous silver hydrosol product.

A high nanometer nanoscalar silver product produced in a NASA-funded

experiment produced the following observation in regards to adsorption

power: “It had already been noted that at 104 cells ml-1 and 50 ppb of

silver ions, there are approximately 2.8 x 1010 silver ions per cell. This

is a commentary on the use of the term ‘oligodynamic.’ In the most extreme

situation (104 cells ml-1 with 250 ppb of silver), if one estimates the dry

weight of a bacterial cell at 2.5 x 10-13 g, there should actually be more

than one silver ion in the system for every atom in every bacterial cell.”79

(Italics added by authors.)
Particle concentration

See the following section on Therapeutic Index (TI).
Therapeutic Index

Fundamentally, the Therapeutic Index (TI) range falls specifically between

silver concentration levels that will be toxic to the host versus non-toxic

silver concentration levels that will reliably and consistently cure

infection. The EPA has established one end of the TI by determining the

lowest observed adverse event level (LOAEL) for both intravenous and oral

intake. Note that only a non-pathological cosmetic discoloration (i.e.,

argyria) is established as the sole “adverse event.” Comprehensive

retrospective analysis spanning over 56 years by EPA80 and ATSDR81 found NO

other adverse events associated with silver exposure. For a 70 kilogram

patient, intravenous silver is limited to one (1) gram over any two-to nine

-year period, and for oral intake, to twenty-five (25) grams over a 70-year

period. These values reflect the best gauge to prevent argyric iatrogenesis.

To determine the other end of the TI, the following publications

collectively provide compelling data regarding safe and effective dosage

levels for oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol when treating a broad scope of human

infections:

Zhao et al. provided an excellent retrospective review on the key 13 factors

critical to the chief pharmacodynamic in vitro parameters establishing

oligodynamic Ag+’s therapeusis, including the complete inhibitory

concentrations (CIC), the Minimum Bactericidal Concentration (MBC), as well

as the log killing time (LKT).82

A comprehensive study commissioned by NASA reported that, “Three experiments

were done with E. coli. The first two employed silver propionate (a silver

salt). Cell populations were quite stable at room temperature in the absence

of the added silver. The silver killed the cells. The process was not

precisely exponential, but there was no indication that killing would not

ultimately be complete. The extinction times (10-4 killing) might have

ranged from < 2 hrs. to approximately 4 hrs. at 50 ppb of silver and from <

1 hr to approximately 2 hrs. at 250 ppb. Silver from the electrolytic ion

generator was used in the third experiment, and the probable extinction

times were approximately 4 hrs. and approximately 2 hrs. again at 50 and 250

ppb, respectively.”83

Berger has shown that the minimal lethal dose (MLD) for both gram-positive

and gram-negative pathogens with oligodynamic Ag+ is ten to 100 times

greater than silver sulfadiazine (also a silver salt).84

More recently, an in vitro study by Baker et al. found that, “Nanometer-

sized silver particles were� found to exhibit antibacterial effects at low

concentrations. The antibacterial properties were related to the total

surface area of the nanoparticles. Smaller particles with a larger surface

to volume ratio provided a more efficient means for antibacterial activity.

The nanoparticles were found to be completely cytotoxic to E. coli for

surface concentrations as low as 8 microg of Ag/cm2.”85

These in vitro studies follow closely to the authoritative medical

literature for in vivo applications. The key to in vivo dosing is saturating

the foci (whether local or systemic) with approximately 1 ppm to

approximately 10 ppm oligodynamic Ag+ for acute infectious processes, and up

to 27 ppm for chronic infectious with heavy pathogen loads.

For example, in acute local and systemic infectious processes, the older,

authoritative medical literature reported on two popular silver hydrosol

products used to treat humans, namely Collosol Argentum and Electrargol.

Collosol Argentum, also known as Colsargen, was a 500 ppm concentration of

silver in water, equivalent to 500 mcg/cc. For local infections, it was

diluted to a 167 ppm concentration. “For injections in systemic infections

the recommended dose is 30 drops (2 cc.).”86 Therefore, the typical I.V.

dosage for systemic infections totaled 1 mg of silver as silver hydrosol.

However, for more severe acute and invasive infections such as advanced

puerperal septicemia, a clinical report appearing in The Lancet called for

up to 20cc administered as an I.V. push 2 to 4 times weekly.87 In summary,

the typical I.V. push dose in such situations would be the equivalent of 10

mg elemental silver. For today’s equivalency, this translates into 400cc to

500cc of a hypotonic picoscalar oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol rendered isotonic

with sorbitol (4.9 grams sorbitol per 100cc hydrosol mixed together at the

time of administration ~280mOSM) with a concentration range between 20ppm

and 25ppm respectively.

Electrargol was a 400 ppm concentration of silver in water equivalent to 400

mcg/cc.88, 89 “The dose is 80 to 160 drops (5-10 cc.), injected

intramuscularly or directly into a vein.” 86 This dose was given several

times weekly when indicated.90, 53 Therefore, the typical single I.V. dosage

totaled 2 mg to 4 mg silver as silver hydrosol.

So, what would be the modern dose equivalents when treating for acute local

or systemic infections for a picoscalar silver hydrosol containing a pure

oligodynamic content of 20 ppm to 25 ppm Ag+? Answer: I.V. dosages given

once or several times weekly for an average 70 kilo patient, as either a

50cc to 75cc slow push or 150cc to 200cc isotonic drip, as indicated. When

exceeding 150cc in a single I.V. drip, it is important to diligently monitor

for hemolysis with urine dip sticks. Limit dosage on subsequent treatments

to 150cc if significant hemolysis warrants. Insignificant levels of

hemolysis need not alter dosage levels.

For chronic infections with heavy loads and co-infections, what are the in

vivo guidelines for utilizing I.V. oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol in humans?

Research conducted at a medical facility in Lucha Contra el Sida,

Comayaguela (discussed above) appears to have determined this guideline, as

well as the other end of the TI for oligodynamic Ag+. The study’s conclusion

found that the equivalent91 of 27 ppm oligodynamic Ag+ (as the target

saturation point for the blood plasma) was sufficient to completely convert

to sero-negative all advanced AIDS patients presenting with frank

Candidiasis or Wasting Syndrome, when provided as a single treatment dose.3

To approach a 27 ppm blood plasma concentration with a 20 ppm to 25 ppm

oligodynamic Ag+ hydrosol formulation, see the following section on Protocol

Proposal.

101 De Whalley CV, et al. Biochem Pharmacology, 1990;39:1743-50.

In reference to cancer; I have high cancer risk HPV (I'm skeptical about hpv being the cause, and the vaccine I took failed but that's another discussion) My question is do you think that if I take a higher dosage of CS than I have been for the past year it could help deplete malignant cell growth on the cervix? I'm so concerned about this; I'm only 22 and I may want to have children after I finish graduate school, and I want to make sure I can have a healthy cervix (that won't have to biopsied several more times) so I could carry a child to term.:confused:

[the silver genie]

In reference to cancer; I have high cancer risk HPV (I'm skeptical about hpv being the cause, and the vaccine I took failed but that's another discussion) My question is do you think that if I take a higher dosage of CS than I have been for the past year it could help deplete malignant cell growth on the cervix? I'm so concerned about this; I'm only 22 and I may want to have children after I finish graduate school, and I want to make sure I can have a healthy cervix (that won't have to biopsied several more times) so I could carry a child to term.:confused:

I can't give you specific answers, however I can tell you 2 things. Ionic "Colloidal" Silver does not cause Argyria and there are currently no known adverse reactions.

The following reference is referring to "Silver" in general.

Silver (CASRN 7440-22-4) (http://www.epa.gov/ncea/iris/subst/0099.htm)

__I.A.1. Oral RfD Summary

* Conversion Factors: Based on conversion from the total i.v. dose to a total oral dose of 25 g (i.v. dose of 1 g divided by 0.04, assumed oral retention factor; see Furchner et al., 1968 in Additional Comments section) and dividing by 70 kg (adult body weight) and 25,500 days (a lifetime, or 70 years).

Safety Information Related to Nanoscalar-Oligodynamic Silver Ions (http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/pdf/SS-White%20Technical%20Paper%20002-SafetyInformation-01-23-033.pdf)

5. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)/IRIS CASRN 7440-22-4 (It should be noted that the individuals tested in these case studies are members of a subpopulation of unhealthy adults.)

10 ppm for Adult:

a.) 7 teaspoons can be taken a day for 70 years in accordance with the reference dose

b.) 19 teaspoons can be taken a day for 70 years while remaining under the critical dose of 25 grams in a lifetime

According to the EPA Dietary Silver Intake (10 ppm)

a. Taking 38 tspn daily of SS for 35 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

b. Taking 76 tspn daily of SS for 17 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

c. Taking 170 tspn daily of SS for 8 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

d. Taking 304 tspn daily of SS for 4 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

e. Taking 608 tspn daily of SS for 2 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

f. Taking 200 Tbspn daily of SS for 2 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

g. Taking ¾ gallon daily of SS for 2 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

[93krystalmoons]

I can't give you specific answers, however I can tell you 2 things. Ionic "Colloidal" Silver does not cause Argyria and there are currently no known adverse reactions.

The following reference is referring to "Silver" in general.

Silver (CASRN 7440-22-4) (http://www.epa.gov/ncea/iris/subst/0099.htm)

__I.A.1. Oral RfD Summary

* Conversion Factors: Based on conversion from the total i.v. dose to a total oral dose of 25 g (i.v. dose of 1 g divided by 0.04, assumed oral retention factor; see Furchner et al., 1968 in Additional Comments section) and dividing by 70 kg (adult body weight) and 25,500 days (a lifetime, or 70 years).

Safety Information Related to Nanoscalar-Oligodynamic Silver Ions (http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/pdf/SS-White%20Technical%20Paper%20002-SafetyInformation-01-23-033.pdf)

5. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)/IRIS CASRN 7440-22-4 (It should be noted that the individuals tested in these case studies are members of a subpopulation of unhealthy adults.)

10 ppm for Adult:

a.) 7 teaspoons can be taken a day for 70 years in accordance with the reference dose

b.) 19 teaspoons can be taken a day for 70 years while remaining under the critical dose of 25 grams in a lifetime

According to the EPA Dietary Silver Intake (10 ppm)

a. Taking 38 tspn daily of SS for 35 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

b. Taking 76 tspn daily of SS for 17 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

c. Taking 170 tspn daily of SS for 8 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

d. Taking 304 tspn daily of SS for 4 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

e. Taking 608 tspn daily of SS for 2 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult

f. Taking 200 Tbspn daily of SS for 2 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult



g. Taking ¾ gallon daily of SS for 2 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult


Hey,thank you for the info!

[verndewd]

In reference to cancer; I have high cancer risk HPV (I'm skeptical about hpv being the cause, and the vaccine I took failed but that's another discussion) My question is do you think that if I take a higher dosage of CS than I have been for the past year it could help deplete malignant cell growth on the cervix? I'm so concerned about this; I'm only 22 and I may want to have children after I finish graduate school, and I want to make sure I can have a healthy cervix (that won't have to biopsied several more times) so I could carry a child to term.:confused:

dont exceed target levels of 350 mkg which would be about 3.5 tsp @ 20 ppm per day.

I had a lump in my chest , the nipple actually, with all signs of male breast cancer, i hit 350 a day for a few weeks and it disappeared.

[armoured_amazon]

a lot safer than anything WHO recommends. anyway, what's wrong with blue skin (unless you're a junkie)? Imagine being able to come out with the line "is it because I'm blue"? You could probably shag lots of Krishna devotees named Yoshod. Blue is the new black.

Bwahaha :D

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[93krystalmoons]

dont exceed target levels of 350 mkg which would be about 3.5 tsp @ 20 ppm per day.

I had a lump in my chest , the nipple actually, with all signs of male breast cancer, i hit 350 a day for a few weeks and it disappeared.
I'm sorry to hear things were not well for you, but at least the CS cleared it up. That's amazing, I don't think I'm taking nearly enough. I should get some pay tomorrow and I'm going out to get more; I'm just about out of my CS.

[the silver genie]

Hey,thank you for the info!

You're welcome.

For more information, I have a comprehensive Guide for the Uses, etc. posted on my site. Just click on "the silver genie" above my Avatar and go to my home page. From there you can visit several pages by following the links at the top and bottom of the pages.

For the Guide, follow the History link.

I hope all this is helpful.

TSG

[swissxtrails]

This happens when one does not use distilled water to make colloidal silver. As simple as that. CS is great and I have never heard or experienced anything bad about it unless improperly made. Use double distilled water and you won't have any problem...