People in England stop using plastic bags

[Anders Lindman]

I read in a Swedish newspaper that people in England stop using plastic bags in more and more places. It was an obvious propaganda stunt to make us proud and proper Swedish citizens to do the same. Concerned about a coming oil crisis, are they? It's time to tell the politicians and propaganda spin tank good-for-nothing 'experts': "How about I give you the finger, and you give me my plastic bags" :D

[john white]

I read in a Swedish newspaper that people in England stop using plastic bags in more and more places. It was an obvious propaganda stunt to make us proud and proper Swedish citizens to do the same. Concerned about a coming oil crisis, are they? It's time to tell the politicians and propaganda spin tank good-for-nothing 'experts': "How about I give you the finger, and you give me my plastic bags" :D

anders: people in the UK most assuredly DO use plastic bags: and that will undoubtably continue for as long as they are manufactured and made available in their billions

http://www.defra.gov.uk/ENVIRONMENT/waste/topics/plastics.htm

In 2001 there was 1,678,900 tonnes of plastic packaging in the waste stream, an increase from 1,600,000 in 2000. Research conducted in September 2000 indicated that UK consumers used eight billion plastic carrier bags per year

What we do have is the green lobby trying to make out that people are rejecting plastic bags. And there's a couple of "transition" towns that have had a good go at persuading businesses not to supply them, making, of course, an absolutely VAST difference (sarc)

[spacegurl]

I read in a Swedish newspaper that people in England stop using plastic bags in more and more places. It was an obvious propaganda stunt to make us proud and proper Swedish citizens to do the same. Concerned about a coming oil crisis, are they? It's time to tell the politicians and propaganda spin tank good-for-nothing 'experts': "How about I give you the finger, and you give me my plastic bags" :D

Curious. Do you believe everything you read a newspaper?

[dondaz]

We have a black bag full of supermarket carrier bags and update it almost daily, to be honest.:eek:

Whatever happened to 'the old shopping bags'?:confused: We brought in to the carrier bag blag and ditched our re-usables for expendables:eek:

[cheesedanish]

Curious. Do you believe everything you read a newspaper?
He didn't say he believed it - in fact he mentioned it was Propaganda -
quite the opposite!

[thetonic]

Get some of those sturdy canvas bags.. Well worth the investment.. No more paper/plastic.. Some grocers around mine even give discounts for shoppers with their own bags..

[Anders Lindman]

anders: people in the UK most assuredly DO use plastic bags: and that will undoubtably continue for as long as they are manufactured and made available in their billions



What we do have is the green lobby trying to make out that people are rejecting plastic bags. And there's a couple of "transition" towns that have had a good go at persuading businesses not to supply them, making, of course, an absolutely VAST difference (sarc)

Yes, that's what I read. That lobbying groups have been very successful in making people stop using plastic bags in some towns in the UK, and the Swedish newspaper wrote that it was a growing trend.

[Anders Lindman]

Curious. Do you believe everything you read a newspaper?

I thought it was a propaganda attempt, but yes I believed the overall story. You have a point in pointing out that one should be very careful about stories in mainstream media, even when they come from 'serious' and 'respected' news sources. We have far too long and far too much blindly swallowed every news story from big mass media corporations. Most of the stories are probably valid, but there at least three problems: (1) The news stories can be a part of a propaganda agenda, (2) the news stories could be diversions to create a smokescreen for hiding other important events, and (3) a seemingly serious news story, such as a story about Anthrax, could be totally fabricated! :eek:

[john white]

Understood. Plastic bags are a waste of good Oil in my opinion, but I'm a filthy hypocrite, becuase I still use 'em!

[raffles]

We have a black bag full of supermarket carrier bags and update it almost daily, to be honest.:eek:

Same here we must have about 40 of the fuckers in there.. :D

[anoninnyc]

plastic bags are bad, but better than paper. i try to use a re-usable bag as much as possible.

[Anders Lindman]

Get some of those sturdy canvas bags.. Well worth the investment.. No more paper/plastic.. Some grocers around mine even give discounts for shoppers with their own bags..

I use the plastic bags as garbage bags. If I switched to a canvas bag, I would still have to buy plastic garbage bags. So my use of plastic bags overall would remain the same. And I'm far too lazy to use a canvas bag. :o :)

[john white]

plastic bags are bad, but better than paper. i try to use a re-usable bag as much as possible.

Why are they better than paper?

[anoninnyc]

Why are they better than paper?

Environmentalists applaud such efforts but worry about an unsavory side effect: increased use of paper bags. According to the Natural Resources Defense Council, demand for paper bags in the U.S. consumes 14 million trees a year. And the Environmental Protection Agency has noted that the production of paper bags involves more energy use and water pollution than that of plastic bags. Paper bags are heavier--and therefore use more fossil fuel during shipping--although they are biodegradable and recyclable. They're also more expensive for retailers, at 5.7¢ per bag (and up to 17.6¢ for ones with handles) in contrast to 2.2¢ per plastic bag. Given the downside to both paper and plastic, perhaps that $1,720 tote isn't so outrageous. "Everyone has framed the debate incorrectly," says Shropshire. "It's not paper vs. plastic. It's about getting rid of plastic in favor of recycled paper or reusable bags."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1649301,00.html

[john white]

Hemp it is then!

[auron]

Hemp it is then!
Kinda gives a whole new meaning to the term "bag of grass". :D

[Anders Lindman]

Hemp it is then!

But I couldn't possibly use garbage bags made of hemp. Or is that possible? :confused: :eek:

[cheesedanish]

Real Eco Bags (http://www.thehempshop.co.uk/product-245.htm)are made from Hemp©


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