Has anyone ever dabbled in the Occult?

[tiswas]

Like candle magick, tarot readings and so on. Did you know some work, I have heard of a lady which did a money spell once and won a large amount on the lottery. When I mean occult I DO NOT MEAN SATANISM AT ALL.
As for voodoo it is an old african religion.

[strider]

Like candle magick, tarot readings and so on. Did you know some work, I have heard of a lady which did a money spell once and won a large amount on the lottery. When I mean occult I DO NOT MEAN SATANISM AT ALL.
As for voodoo it is an old african religion.

I have, and once you know the basics, it's a peice of cake to make up your own spells..

I won't go into detail, but through a very angry stage I was in, I put a curse on someone. It worked well, but I didn't protect myself well enough and got a bit of backfire. Not nice. But sort of glad it happened as it snapped me out of the whole thing..

[serpentoffire]

Like candle magick, tarot readings and so on. Did you know some work, I have heard of a lady which did a money spell once and won a large amount on the lottery. When I mean occult I DO NOT MEAN SATANISM AT ALL.
As for voodoo it is an old african religion.

Fortune tellers, tarot reading, voodoo, astrologist ... are all against GOD.
The spirits inside these person say you 7 good things and 3 wrong.
The few wrong will bring you in hell path.
Do you need money? Take a job!

Occultism=Satanism
Money=Evil

Change your way.

[strider]

Fortune tellers, tarot reading, voodoo, astrologist ... are all against GOD.
The spirits inside these person say you 7 good things and 3 wrong.
The few wrong will bring you in hell path.
Do you need money? Take a job!

Occultism=Satanism
Money=Evil

Change your way.

Wow, you sound like a right old barrell of fun you do..:cool:

[eternal_spirit]

I could tell you my secrets but I may have to kill you. :eek:

[adimon]

Fortune tellers, tarot reading, voodoo, astrologist ... are all against GOD.
The spirits inside these person say you 7 good things and 3 wrong.
The few wrong will bring you in hell path.
Do you need money? Take a job!

Occultism=Satanism
Money=Evil

Change your way.

Mr. Serpent, are you willing and/or able to explain for me the difference between believing in tarot, astrology and spells, compared to holy water, orbs, icons and prayers?

It would be especially helpful to me if you could do this in operational language.

Thank you. :)

[adimon]

Like candle magick, tarot readings and so on. Did you know some work, I have heard of a lady which did a money spell once and won a large amount on the lottery. When I mean occult I DO NOT MEAN SATANISM AT ALL.
As for voodoo it is an old african religion.

I had a Wiccan girlfriend for about half a year or so. She attributed events and causality to spells etc, ranging from every day things to whether or not our relationship had a future. Apparently, despite her admission that no-one had cared for her like me, and that I made her feel special, it was 'pre-ordained' by a pendulum that she would leave me and enter a life of misery, in which she remains to this day.

I've never seen a happier person fall so far or so hard.

[amercury]

Fortune tellers, tarot reading, voodoo, astrologist ... are all against GOD.
The spirits inside these person say you 7 good things and 3 wrong.
The few wrong will bring you in hell path.
Do you need money? Take a job!

Occultism=Satanism
Money=Evil

Change your way.

Whaaat??
I have studied tarot, astrology, dabbled in spells for years...and I am definitely not against the GODDESS.
You sound like El Papa.

There is a lot of information to be found in these subjects. I do however think one needs to be very cautious and responsible. I would never take money for any of this information, and there are only certain people in my life to whom I would give this information.

I think it can be very limiting to people who are not aware of their own power. If I tell someone "Oh you're a taurus, you can be stubborn", they might believe this is really how they must be.
Some people are not aware that they can be whatever they want, they are not limited.

[serpentoffire]

Whaaat??
I have studied tarot, astrology, dabbled in spells for years...and I am definitely not against the GODDESS.
You sound like El Papa.

There is a lot of information to be found in these subjects. I do however think one needs to be very cautious and responsible. I would never take money for any of this information, and there are only certain people in my life to whom I would give this information.

I think it can be very limiting to people who are not aware of their own power. If I tell someone "Oh you're a taurus, you can be stubborn", they might believe this is really how they must be.
Some people are not aware that they can be whatever they want, they are not limited.

In the Bibble, God have banned the persons that use black magic. These capabilities are given by Nephilims spirits that are outside the GOD plan.

Wiccas and black magician are without power if not empowered by Nephilims spirits, that give them the ability to see the future independently of medium used (taroths, cristal balls, ect.).

Wiccas and Wizards are initiated with a ritual of sex by another Wizard (image yourself what happen). One or more spirits use this connection to flow in the new body that receive new powers never had before.

Something of similar happen also for mediums, but spirits (one or more in superimposition) take posses of body because the medium is already predisposed for this purpose ('alien DNA').

I know the future of persons near to me but I don't want reveal because it is wrong to do this. Manage the future with black magic is dangerous because you are modifying the timeline of several persons without know what it is going to happen. It is like to have a child with a gun, dangerous.

[serpentoffire]

Mr. Serpent, are you willing and/or able to explain for me the difference between believing in tarot, astrology and spells, compared to holy water, orbs, icons and prayers?

It would be especially helpful to me if you could do this in operational language.

Thank you. :)

In addition to what I said to amercury,

Voodoo is a ritual to send an evil spirit against another person but this not have effect with GOD's people.

Icons and other holy objects don't have power. It is only another form of superstition inside the church.

Orbs and ghosts are real, because I saw them. An orb is the thinking part of winged dragon (the body of the spirit). Usually I'm able to see both, an orb inside a flying serpent. The body of serpent can appear dark if the entity is evil (=need energy from you) or white if the entity is good (=receive energy directly from GOD, the sun of multivese).

Prayers are a form of meditation, similar to kundalini or reiki yoga. Prayers are a powerful tool to be in communion with Holy Trinity. Communion means that the Holy Trinity spirits are in superimposition with your soul.

[exmicrochipmafia]

Fortune tellers, tarot reading, voodoo, astrologist ... are all against GOD.
The spirits inside these person say you 7 good things and 3 wrong.
The few wrong will bring you in hell path.
Do you need money? Take a job!

Occultism=Satanism
Money=Evil

Change your way.


LMAO!!!
Sorry there, had to recover from that one.
I respect your right to have a belief system, and if THAT works for you, then it's all good.
Myself, I vehemently disagree. I, along with my wife, am a psychic- more so a medium. Yes, I can 'see' the dead and communicate with them. I am a spiritualist practicing native american indian spirituality, as does my wife, who by the way is also catholic and PROFOUNDLY psychic and has been told by a monsenieur that she is truly blessed to have such a gift as hers. I have used tarot cards (native vision quest cards) and go on vision quests through meditation. My wife finds missing persons and profiles the occasional sicko.
I PERSONALLY view organized religion as a mind prison, and while one could argue that my belief system falls under the category 'organized,' I say that it isn't at all...it's as open and flowing as they energies of this earth.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

ummm i also disagree with serpent. i would like to know where he is getting his information? i have studied tarot and astrology for years and i am not evil .i am getting very positive results.

[clipwip]

Yes, I am deep into the occult (that which is "hidden"). Every full moon I go to a suspected witch's house (like an inlaw's) and take a massive dump on their porch after which I set up a hidden camera nearby to film their response.

The local press has dubbed me "The Midnight Pooper." I am both admired and reviled, but my identity still remains in the shadows.

[serpentoffire]

LMAO!!!
Sorry there, had to recover from that one.
I respect your right to have a belief system, and if THAT works for you, then it's all good.
Myself, I vehemently disagree. I, along with my wife, am a psychic- more so a medium. Yes, I can 'see' the dead and communicate with them. I am a spiritualist practicing native american indian spirituality, as does my wife, who by the way is also catholic and PROFOUNDLY psychic and has been told by a monsenieur that she is truly blessed to have such a gift as hers. I have used tarot cards (native vision quest cards) and go on vision quests through meditation. My wife finds missing persons and profiles the occasional sicko.
I PERSONALLY view organized religion as a mind prison, and while one could argue that my belief system falls under the category 'organized,' I say that it isn't at all...it's as open and flowing as they energies of this earth.


I listened the same objection from a person in a exorcism conference. I have a lot of physic power like you but I avoided to say this to other persons. Also my wife have similar powers (but a little bit less).

You don't have the right to show the future to other persons without your same powers. You are able to mange and accept future events, other not. You'll change their life without know what it will happen.

You don't see 'death' persons. You see spirits (of Nephilims) that say lies about their real identity. They know the real story of death persons because they live with us and know our past and our future. 'Deaths' are not allowed to live with us: they stay with God or far from God, with Lucifer.

I'm not member of any religions, also if I came from Catholicism. I believe in what I can see and feel. Agree with you about 'religion as a mind prison'. But also ideologies (communism, socialism, capitalism, liberalism, peace&love, ..) and TV shows (news, reality, soap opera, ...) are mind prisons.

These illusory worlds enslave your energy for the king of this earth, Lucifer,for his slaves (demons, spirits) and the slaves of the slaves (satanists, mormons, freemasons, vatican, ...).

You could be part of this game if you don't know the rules to play.
Glad to meet you here.

[serpentoffire]

i would like to know where he is getting his information?

Years of experience my dear.

There are two kind of people on this earth:
Normal people with no supernatural powers. They need a satanic ritual of initialization (sexual usually) to get inside a spirit that gives these abilities.
People with natural 'gifts'. These persons have supernatural power since they are children. They have only 'awake' their abilities.Astrology, tarots and divinations are bullshits. They have not power on humanity. Through physical objects a medium projects his powers focusing it on the life of a person.

I saw a powerful clairvoyant make prediction only having a photo of the person. This is why to make predictions it's needed to have a connection with the person (the person itself, one object or photo of the subject).

[eternal_spirit]

I saw a powerful clairvoyant make prediction only having a photo of the person. This is why to make predictions it's needed to have a connection with the person (the person itself, one object or photo of the subject).[/quote]


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Is this the word they use for this ( psychometry? )

[i_am]

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Is this the word they use for this ( psychometry? )


That's it :)

[eternal_spirit]

That's it :)

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:D An object such as a wedding ring or something the person loves much I've heard can give some of the best readings. My mum had a reading like this and some predictions where made that where true.

[i_am]

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:D An object such as a wedding ring or something the person loves much I've heard can give some of the best readings. My mum had a reading like this and some predictions where made that where true.

Yeah I haven't done it to predict stuff. I have done it, once, in a group. I held someone's ring in my hand and it became extemely hot to hold. I described the picture I was receiving and it was the childhood home, in New Zealand, of this person whose ring I held, complete with horses.

[serpentoffire]

Is this the word they use for this ( psychometry? )

Found on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychometry):

Thomas Bearden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bearden) to concept of Tesla (longitudinal) waves, discovered by Nikola Tesla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla), as opposed to normal electromagnetic waves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_waves) (Hertz waves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz), transverse waves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transverse_waves)). Scalar waves are longitudinal gravity waves, a neutral form of energy in which electricity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity), magnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism), and gravity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity) come together in four-dimensional space (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension) (the time domain).

If we assume that the human brain is endowed with the functions scalar wave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_wave) transmitter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmitter), human emotional energy is constantly being imprinted on surrounding objects (and places) as scalar waves, and the information is stored as a four-dimensional gravity potential. The psychometrist's brain is especially effective as a scalar wave receiver, and can detect waves of various frequencies.

If (this hypothesis is] proven correct, anyone has the potential for psychometric powers if the conditions are met. Furthermore, most supernatural phenomena - premonitions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premonitions), telepathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathy), clairvoyance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clairvoyance), ghosts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosts) - can be handily explained by the "brain = scalar wave transmitter = psychometry" hypothesis.

BINGOOOOOO!!!

[eternal_spirit]

Cool Tesla sure knew his stuff.

[asentinel]

Isnt that why the military were so interested in his work. See the book "Angels don't play this H.A.A.R.P."? (I have heard of a theory that Tesla himself had connection with entities from another dimension who helped him with his inventions).

Also, Serpy, re the introduction/attachment of these parasitic thoughtform entities during ritual, is it through some sort of electromagnetic viral type intervention, with the emotional availability (creating agreement of sorts) of the host/victim? Do Rituals involve sexual activity, because it makes the kundalini energy available as a conduit for these thoughtforms to ride upon? Altered states of consciousness due to drug inducement, high emotion eg., fear, pain, terror all assist in the victim being made available for inhabitation? What in your opinion is the homoerotic connection? Why do these rituals quite often involve powerlessness of the victim, cruelty, homoeroticism, bondage, pedarists? Relinquising power is a common theme. A strong master/slave relationship seems to exist. Isn't this the corner-stone (sorry for pun) of the "free"masons type organisations? They are militaristic in style because all these relationships rely on the obedience factor, master directs and slave obeys. If not, punishment ensues. The dogs are trained!

I know this is a little off-thread but it "sort of" connects.

I once had some cards, found I never used them, I was not drawn to "study" the archetypes, or rules of divination. I find my body and consciousness is my tool of guidance. All those bits and pieces seemed like theatre to me, and what do you do if you have left home without 'em? More simple and efficient to be "in your space powerfully" where ever you are on the planet, or off. I think the "receiver" is somewhere "round or in your head" isn't it??

I have met and known people who have seen "the dead" and had messages or conversations with them. All (those ones I met) have had a profoundly damaging experience in early life. Quite often it has been rape, incest, violence. Are some people predisposed to an interest in these activities/topics by the damage they have experienced?

[serpentoffire]

the introduction/attachment of these parasitic thoughtform entities during ritual, is it through some sort of electromagnetic viral type intervention, with the emotional availability (creating agreement of sorts) of the host/victim?

All is based on our body energy. If you see Matrix or Monster & Co. you'll watch some well examples. Spirits use our body as a ship to interact with humans in the plane of our reality (said brane in M-theory). They use our energy stimulating our sex, fear, anger only to suck what they need to survive (vampire of energy). It is clear that the game works if the victim is agree to be possessed and doing so he become also the tool to search new victims.

Do Rituals involve sexual activity, because it makes the kundalini energy available as a conduit for these thoughtforms to ride upon?

Kundalini is raised mainly by sexual activity. This is well described by tantric practices. The simplest translation of Tantra is "path" as in "path to enlightenment". Awaking the Kundalini tends to cause an increase in sexual interest. Particularly in the beginning when the Kundalini energy is moving through the lower chakras.

As I said, Wiccas are initiated with a ritual of sex. During the sexual coupling, it will generated enough energy to allow a spirit to move from a body to another. This is why these person doesn't have chakra and kundalini energy inside. This ritual it is not necessary for enlightened persons because this energy is already present.

Altered states of consciousness due to drug inducement, high emotion eg., fear, pain, terror all assist in the victim being made available for inhabitation?

Spirits need mainly energy. If you have kundalini you are also a good source of energy and by conseguente a good place to inhabit. In absence of that they can use what they find on this earth, human and animal bodies. Fear, pain, terror are only generators of this energy. But they need to do this continuously. Wars are continuously generated in all parts of the world for this purpose. Hospitals are good places to find new victims. I have a lot of problems when I have to visit someone in a hospital because most of these structure are fully haunted.

What in your opinion is the homoerotic connection?

It is in our nature. We are in the same time males and females. There is no problem until all is confined in our mind. Angels and demons have sex but don't have a gender. Their sex is called 'communion' that it is simply the superimposition between two spirits. This is why we could be attracted by other souls having the same gender as physical body.

Why do these rituals quite often involve powerlessness of the victim, cruelty, homoeroticism, bondage, pedarists?

These rituals are powerful energy generator like blood rituals.

Relinquishing power is a common theme. A strong master/slave relationship seems to exist. Isn't this the corner-stone (sorry for pun) of the "free"masons type organisations?

Freemasonry know very well the power of fear. Master/slave relationship is the base of NWO, the perfect fascist state. Hitler was sexually very active in sadomasochism. Pedophilia is performed usually by these persons. In Italy we had a good example of that in a school where were involved several children in blood/urine rituals and pederasty.

I think the "receiver" is somewhere "round or in your head" isn't it??

Your antenna is the nervous system. We are able to interact with upper plane of reality trough this gate. Kundalini is only the enabling technology inside our body. But not all persons have this technology inside. This is why we talk about 'alien DNA' and mutation.

Are some people predisposed to an interest in these activities/topics by the damage they have experienced?

No, the predisposition is in your bloodline. Satanists, freemasons and mormons know very well this.

[asentinel]

I think having clarity on these points can help people be more discerning about what they witness each day. After all it is all the small things one notices, behaviour in people we interact with on a daily basis, that overall starts to wake us up, helps to strengthen us.

[chicken]

If you look closely at the Kundalini Awakening and compare it to the concept of Electronic Torture - you will find they are exactly the same.

Also they are compared to Schizophrenia in both cases.

Both mentioned have roots in the occult

chicken

[adimon]

Mr. Serpent, are you willing and/or able to explain for me the difference between believing in tarot, astrology and spells, compared to holy water, orbs, icons and prayers?

It would be especially helpful to me if you could do this in operational language.

Thank you. :)

What I meant by this post I made a couple of weaks ago, is asking people (and I now extend my invitation to all forum members) to explain the difference, in operational language, between the spiritual or religious views they hold, and those that others hold.

The point I'm trying to touch on is contradiction and ambiguity. Christians would argue that Hinduism is wrong because it's polytheistic and has a pantheon, if you like, of Gods. But most Christians believe in a triune God, so what's the difference. Operationally, nothing.

Can anyone explain the difference between a Renoir nude and a Playboy centrefold? So why is one 'pornography' and not the other?

Why is holy water 'real' and voodoo a myth?

What makes these things real or unreal, good or evil? Your mind.

[nuit]

Like candle magick, tarot readings and so on. Did you know some work, I have heard of a lady which did a money spell once and won a large amount on the lottery. When I mean occult I DO NOT MEAN SATANISM AT ALL.
As for voodoo it is an old african religion.

if you don't know what you are doing with oogie boogie shit i would leave well alone

[serpentoffire]

If you look closely at the Kundalini Awakening and compare it to the concept of Electronic Torture - you will find they are exactly the same.

Also they are compared to Schizophrenia in both cases.

Both mentioned have roots in the occult

chicken

I already saw this behavior in the past. It was called holy inquisition.
People normally tend to hide,forget,reject and destroy what they aren't able to understand. Probably you forget that you are talking with persons with high degree of culture, open mind and facts based approach.

(This is the first case where a dragon is talking with a chicken)

[serpentoffire]

The point I'm trying to touch on is contradiction and ambiguity. Christians would argue that Hinduism is wrong because it's polytheistic and has a pantheon, if you like, of Gods. But most Christians believe in a triune God, so what's the difference. Operationally, nothing.


I think that most of religions don't lie. All religion cover only some aspects of supernatural world and sometime these seam in contrast. We have only one God, composed by three parts and this approach is shared by most of ancient religions (they change the labels but the substance is the same). We are full of spirits in our plane of reality that want to be worshiped as gods them self. Spirits are controlled by demons that resides in the inner earth. Each religion describe this in different colors, attributes, personages, mythology, etc.

An atheist can believe in all this stuff only when he have a supernatural entity in front of him. I had already this experience, I hope you will have the same soon.

[shodan]

I did a Ouja Board last week, totally out of the blue, with someone I met whilst out for a drink. We went back to mine and after a few whiskeys, for some reason decided to do one. I've done them before in the past, over 10 years ago and I was hit by an urge to do one the other day.
Just bits of cut up paper with the letters of the alphabet, numbers 0 - 9 and Yes and No with an upturned glass. The usual messing around stuff. And I tell ya, that glass FLEW around the table. It made no sense, other than when asking for a straight yes or no, but the energy was incredible. At one point it was just swinging like a pendulum too and fro. I found it an amazingly positive experience, simply because I was experiencing something first hand that was not in my usual sphere of experience. The person I was with thought it was me pushing the glass so I told him to do it by himself. He did and it moved loads, and he still didn't believe it :confused: :confused:

I wouldn't advise it though, without being sensible and having respect for whatever it is thats communicating (but I am no expert)- I don't feel too good about doing it last week, when I did them years ago it was like an addiction and I knew of people who'd had bad paranoia from it. My flat felt very strange for a couple of days afterwards.

[knightofthegrail]

In the Bibble, God have banned the persons that use black magic. These capabilities are given by Nephilims spirits that are outside the GOD plan.

Ecclesiastes 3:1 "There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens."

Nothing is outside of the divine order. Somethings are to pass away so that others may take their place; like maturity replacing youth. Somethings are to remain so that the higher things may rest upon them; like humanity needing the beasts to be in order that they themselves may be. To say something is outside of the divine order is to misunderstand that order. :)

[serpentoffire]

Ecclesiastes 3:1 "There is an appointed time for everything, and a time for every affair under the heavens."

Nothing is outside of the divine order. Somethings are to pass away so that others may take their place; like maturity replacing youth. Somethings are to remain so that the higher things may rest upon them; like humanity needing the beasts to be in order that they themselves may be. To say something is outside of the divine order is to misunderstand that order. :)

Uhm... a competition on Bible. OK!!

Samuel 15:23

23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
he has rejected you as king."

Ezekiel 23:49

49 You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD."

[eternal_spirit]

I did a Ouja Board last week,


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I used to do this too. The results vary depending on who you do this with. Sometimes it would make no sense what was spelled out, or no movement of the glass. Other times, it would become a free flowing conversaton. No spelling mistakes and the words would make perfect sense.

See some of the spirits are like us they have a whole range of emotion, and trust is needed and can be built on over time. Some claim they where human before being spirit.

I would like to do this again,it's been many years since.... but finding someone who is A willing B trustworthy.
The best results would be with someone you love and trust and they feel the same way about you. Vibrational compatibiliy plays a major role in what spirits you'll attract. So it's better to be in a positive state of mind and being to attract good spirits. This is why you need to know the person you're doing it with.

[eternal_spirit]

They made some accurate predictions for the future. Not all good, It's 22 years since I started the spirit board, not done one for at least 15 years... and have wondered at times are there evil spirits making things happen in my life. But it could all just be bad luck, law of averages, chance, random chaos etc making these bad things happen.

Or is all the fear mongering and horror stories you hear about ouija/spirit boards out there, to stop you from communicating with spirit? Because I'm certain it works and it's use as a tool has been surpressed. This way of communicating probably doesn't work for most people.

personally I'd trust this more than say direct communication, of spirit voice in your head.

[eternal_spirit]

Tiswas is quiet these days.

[knightofthegrail]

Uhm... a competition on Bible. OK!!

Samuel 15:23

23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
he has rejected you as king."

Ezekiel 23:49

49 You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD."

Be that as it may, there is still an appointed time for it :)

[eternal_spirit]

Be that as it may, there is still an appointed time for it :)

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Did they ever get Merlin from out of that Oak tree?

[drael]

Ive done lots of magick, there are powerful keys to reality in the magickal traditions. I dont like the word occult, its got negative connotation. Im happy to provide any information you may need. Ive a bunch of links and info i can share.

>In the Bibble, God have banned the persons that use >black magic. These capabilities are given by Nephilims >spirits that are outside the GOD plan.

Thats sounds pretty wacky to me. I love the bible, but have never read anything like that from it. Could you offer some quotes from the bible that ban "magic"? Then i can make up my own mind from the word of god. Thanks.

>Wiccas and Wizards are initiated with a ritual of sex by >another Wizard (image yourself what happen). One or >more spirits use this connection to flow in the new body >that receive new powers never had before.

Thats some bible your reading! I dont rememeber any sex rituals.....

PS i noticed you have put up some bible quotes already. Most of it seems to about idolatry, which as i understand it doesnt apply to my beleifs. I always put god before symbols for "him". I wish the same could be said of the cross/churchs/preists etc.

The one quote on divination is semi-interesting. Do you know what the original translation says here when the english says "divination"? Doesnt seem like the main message of this quote anyway, which is the soveriegnty of our lord, which i would never deny.

It is also interesting for any christians to note, the formulae for the rituals in church is largely based on ancient magick rituals, from the facing of the church to the use of incense as a cleanser, to the arrangement of objects on the altar and the facing of the altar, to the use of repetition - almost everything. Im always surprised in church how much of it is based on the magick rituals of the egyptians.

[serpentoffire]

Ive done lots of magick, there are powerful keys to reality in the magickal traditions. I dont like the word occult, its got negative connotation. Im happy to provide any information you may need. Ive a bunch of links and info i can share.

>In the Bibble, God have banned the persons that use >black magic. These capabilities are given by Nephilims >spirits that are outside the GOD plan.

Thats sounds pretty wacky to me. I love the bible, but have never read anything like that from it. Could you offer some quotes from the bible that ban "magic"? Then i can make up my own mind from the word of god. Thanks.

>Wiccas and Wizards are initiated with a ritual of sex by >another Wizard (image yourself what happen). One or >more spirits use this connection to flow in the new body >that receive new powers never had before.

Thats some bible your reading! I dont rememeber any sex rituals.....

PS i noticed you have put up some bible quotes already. Most of it seems to about idolatry, which as i understand it doesnt apply to my beleifs. I always put god before symbols for "him". I wish the same could be said of the cross/churchs/preists etc.

The one quote on divination is semi-interesting. Do you know what the original translation says here when the english says "divination"? Doesnt seem like the main message of this quote anyway, which is the soveriegnty of our lord, which i would never deny.

It is also interesting for any christians to note, the formulae for the rituals in church is largely based on ancient magick rituals, from the facing of the church to the use of incense as a cleanser, to the arrangement of objects on the altar and the facing of the altar, to the use of repetition - almost everything. Im always surprised in church how much of it is based on the magick rituals of the egyptians.

This guy is able more than me to explain all this stuff. See all this video:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-2134284036772812990

[lenejento]

Originally Posted by chicken
If you look closely at the Kundalini Awakening and compare it to the concept of Electronic Torture - you will find they are exactly the same.

Also they are compared to Schizophrenia in both cases.

Both mentioned have roots in the occult

chicken
I already saw this behavior in the past. It was called holy inquisition.
People normally tend to hide,forget,reject and destroy what they aren't able to understand. Probably you forget that you are talking with persons with high degree of culture, open mind and facts based approach.

(This is the first case where a dragon is talking with a chicken)

What is this Kundalini Awakening anyway? I remember reading abit about it in my new age days, and I was never attracted to it, something didn't seem right about it, people had pains and feeling like they were going crazy, regretting that it ever happened, wanting to sue Deepak Chopra for helping them achieve it, but not preparing them for it.

[eternal_spirit]

What is this Kundalini Awakening anyway? I remember reading abit about it in my new age days, and I was never attracted to it, something didn't seem right about it, people had pains and feeling like they were going crazy, regretting that it ever happened, wanting to sue Deepak Chopra for helping them achieve it, but not preparing them for it.

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It's a huge subject, I'll try explain the basics.
The Kundalini, is like an energy that runs through the spine. Which is said to represent a sleeping coiled serpent ( snake ) Which is situated at the base of the spine ( the base chakra ) Coloured red.
The aim is to awaken the kundalini ( sleeping serpent ) And will it to travel up through the main chakras, theres seven situated at various intervals on the human body. Chakras from bottom up are...Base ( red ), sacral ( represents sexual organs is orange) solar plexus ( yellow represents gut feelings "intuition." Heart chakra ( green represents the balance between the physical and the spirit, being located as the centre chakra) throat chakra ( blue represents communication ) Third eye chakra enhances psychic ability colour indigo ) and finally the seventh, crown chakra is said to be the link to the infinite multiverse, creation, the source, Godhead etc )


Each chakra can be worked, manipulated alone. Or by activating all one after another. Meditation, visualisation of the chakras and the colours is one way to activate Kundalini.

Sex is another way. The first known practitioners of sex kundalini where the ancient Hindus. The base chakra represents the Goddess Shakti. The female force and the top crown chakra represents Shiva the male principle. The aim is to bring the two opposing forces together to create a third force known as divine union, by willing the Kundalini to travel up though the chakra system

There is much more to this and much symbolic meanings, which can be missinterprated. But it would seem the Chakras and kundalini can be manipulated for good and bad purpose. Healing, possession to name a few.

You'd be better doing a search, there's much info on the Internet.

[eternal_spirit]

Come on all ye dabblers don't be shy now. :) Any useful tips or spells you'd like to share, for the greater good?

[cruise4]

I'd like to know more about Wicca and whats its all about, practises, who's who, history, the council of 13 (above illuminati alledgedly) etc. if anyone has good info.

[seer74]

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[drael]

>Come on all ye dabblers don't be shy now. Any useful tips or spells you'd like >to share, for the greater good?

There are three basic parts to magick. The first is imagination, the ability to conceive the goal. This can require practice. The second is will, detachment from your goal, freedom from desire. This almost always requires work, to be free of desires/wants is a difficult path. This is sometimes neglected (LOA anyone?), but is intergral to effective magick. The third is breath, the calm breath is a breath of acceptance and love.

Symbolism varies, as does ritual, but magick is simply based on laws of nature, such as like attracts like, and as within, so without. The 7 hermetic laws is a good place to start for those principles.

My advice; dont just dabble with the occult, learn fully about it first. Magick without knowledge is like technology without knowledge - it can be used poorly without insight. Plus effective magick is requires discipline ie detachment/freedom from desire...

>I'd like to know more about Wicca and whats its all >about, practises, who's who, history

Wicca is a modern religion made up by a guy called gardner. Its composed primarily of stuff from general ancient mythology and the practices of ancient egypt, which are from the golden dawn order. Its basically a nature based religion, where they worship the god/goddess. Theyre moral code is simple "an it harm none", meaning harm no-one. Most rituals are an observation of the seasons, or a worship of divinity. Its a fairly broad religion containing much variation in beleifs, but the practices are fairly similar. About a million people consider themselves neo-pagans (the larger term of which wicca is a part). but save me the time, do a search :/

>, the council of 13 (above illuminati alledgedly) etc. if >anyone has good info.

This is one version of the illuminati mythology. There are many versions of who exactly is at the top of the pyramid, this is one of those versions.

[altair]

Uhm... a competition on Bible. OK!!

Samuel 15:23

23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
he has rejected you as king."

Ezekiel 23:49

49 You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD."


Listen to yourselves? the bible was designed as a false. I understand that there is alot represented in parts of the bible but u guys are argueing over a book. a book can be written about anyone, by anyone! Anyone can take a book and put ANYTHING in its pages. Once people thought the world was flat and im sure someone wrote this in a book. That didnt mean it was true. Theres no point argueing and challenging eachother. What you believe and feel is right IS what is right. We should be as one working together. And Fire Dragon person, do you really believe that
You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then will you know that he is the Sovereign LORD??

[altair]

The bible will never give you the true answers you need. look past the puzzle and seek the answers!

[rasnalgoul]

once I decided to perform what you could call a 'ritual' of sorts. The thing is, I dont know damned thing about voodoo, magic, all that stuff. What I did was I prepared myself with things that I felt could protect me, any objects, strong smelling essences I aquired in egypt, garlic, any trinket that I felt could protect, things from home. I placed some of the essences on special parts of my body, forehead throat chest, stomach, base of spine, just below and above the navel. Then I took some strong marijuana and a drum and all these things out to a spot where I was going to confront some spirits/demons/presences whatever you want to call them that I felt were lurking on me, and I brought some close strong friends. We all smoked, and I drummed, but as I drummed I closed my eyes and it was if all my thoughts had washed away and I was focused but outside of my body up in the air in this cloudy misty place. I drummed myself into this trance with various beats but eventually I began to drum in a violent and commanding way as I felt I was being confronted by these entities, I battled with them in this place, and I felt as if they kept coming back and back but eventually it seemed that I had vanquished them. I dont know how hard or long I had drummed but my companions were bewildered and somewhat impressed by the whole thing.

I wonder now though if I hadnt gone in over my head with the whole thing. I saw some west african voodoo practicioners talking of one of their gods/spirits who they go to for help. I chanted the name of this spirit towards the beginning of the ordeal.

Advice anyone? I really want to take some shamanic training or something, I dont like fucking around with things that powerful especially when I dont feel that confident in those abilities. Anyone know where one could learn these things? better yet from a trusted source?

[altair]

Can you tell me how weed helps you open your mind? i smoke a little myself but i dont think i know hoe to use it properly. Im also a drummer and i strongly believe that the vibrations and tones of drums can help, i would just like a little more info on how to use all this. I need to get out of this hole!! Ive just parted with my love for the last 5years and although i understand i have to let her go I find myself wanting to destroy something beutiful. I feel inside that i have alot of connections with negative beings and maybe I have been one. My path is the posotive and I have so much love to give, i just feel trapped in my head at the moment and I really need someone to help me. just to get my head straight. I feel so powerfull yet so weak. Anyone any ideas on anything i could try to release this tension in a posotive way. Thanks for listening. All my love,

[altair]

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