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billycourty
02-05-2010, 08:30 AM
Or the Goddess by her true name?

For around 2 years now this Goddess has been coming into my life via symbols and meditations and sycronicities.

I have maybe times felt that her energy is loving and feels like Jesus' energy.

Recently it came to my attention that maybe Isis was a dangerous trap.

If anyone has any knowledge of who the PTB worship i would be very interested.

Jay

michael christopher
02-05-2010, 03:14 PM
I do. Sort of.

Very few people on this forum really understand spirituality at all. No one would worship "Isis" because that's just an interpretation of a larger spiritual force. It would be the spiritual force that would be "worshiped" - the "divine feminine" if you want to be really pretentious.

There are two forces in this universe, that's it. And really, they're just opposing ends of the same force. Isis represents one of those ends, but she is just a personification of that spiritual energy. Anyone who worships Isis, or Jesus, or Lucifer, or Allah, or Yahweh, etc. is doing nothing but worshiping a false idol. Because real spirits do not have avatars.

And if you want to know the "names" of the two spirits, they are "Chaos" and "Order." ;)

mark1963
02-05-2010, 04:28 PM
I do. Sort of.

Very few people on this forum really understand spirituality at all. No one would worship "Isis" because that's just an interpretation of a larger spiritual force. It would be the spiritual force that would be "worshiped" - the "divine feminine" if you want to be really pretentious.

There are two forces in this universe, that's it. And really, they're just opposing ends of the same force. Isis represents one of those ends, but she is just a personification of that spiritual energy. Anyone who worships Isis, or Jesus, or Lucifer, or Allah, or Yahweh, etc. is doing nothing but worshiping a false idol. Because real spirits do not have avatars.

And if you want to know the "names" of the two spirits, they are "Chaos" and "Order." ;)

If you worship one or the other you are missing out.

And why worship - why not integrate?

michael christopher
02-05-2010, 05:10 PM
If you worship one or the other you are missing out.

And why worship - why not integrate?

Well, I probably have a different definition of the word "worship" than you do. In my opinion, the only real way to worship something is to enact it's will. Thus, you are constantly worshiping whatever spirit you are emanating. If you are an evil, vengeful person, then you are in constant worship of the spirit of Vengeance, whether you consciously choose to acknowledge it or not.

Christians, for example, would constantly be worshiping the spirit of Dependence.

It's not really a matter of choice. It's like saying "I choose to be white" or "I choose to be a man." You don't get a choice.

You simply are what you are.

billycourty
02-05-2010, 07:06 PM
So as the divine feminine is supposedly negitive does that mean her side is chaos?

The reason i want to question my Isis (for want of a better name) awakening is because

I can't know if her influence on me is really subliminal messaging being broadcast to us all.

I know this post now makes me seem like a fruit loop lol

Jay

kappy0405
02-05-2010, 07:46 PM
So as the divine feminine is supposedly negitive does that mean her side is chaos?

The reason i want to question my Isis (for want of a better name) awakening is because

I can't know if her influence on me is really subliminal messaging being broadcast to us all.

I know this post now makes me seem like a fruit loop lol

Jay

the divine feminine represents the worlds psyche - our lower self (which tends to indentify with the material world, negative energy, etc.) and our higher self (which identifies with the spiritual essence of everything, positive energy, Christ, etc.)

If you feel like this energy is helping to purify your heart, making you a better person, etc.. then it's a good thing. Religious fundamentalists take everything literally and think any mention of a 'Goddess' is Satanic because it's polytheism. As MC said, it's a force, not an entity. The "Goddess", "Isis", etc. are just archtypes for that force, just like "Christ" is an archtype for the universal consciousness.

The ptb worship (for lack of better word) the lower aspect of Isis.. ie. they identify with the lower self, materialism, etc..

There's a documentary on youtube called "13 Masonic Secrets" that does a pretty good job of explaining the elites symbolism in regards to the Goddess, God, Son, etc.. at least for an introduction into it...

elirien
02-05-2010, 09:03 PM
There are two forces in this universe, that's it. And really, they're just opposing ends of the same force. Isis represents one of those ends, but she is just a personification of that spiritual energy.

Do you think it is that what Mr. Icke experienced on his trip in Peru?

Anyone who worships Isis, or Jesus, or Lucifer, or Allah, or Yahweh, etc. is doing nothing but worshiping a false idol.

Yes if they take those names as different mental entities. Then you have the Yahweh followers against Lucifer followers, Allah followers against perhaps Isis followers etc. All mental noise. Those who know the meaning of those words don't bother.

You ever saw a Sufi invasion force or Gnostic drive-by? :D

Because real spirits do not have avatars.

Well real spirits do have avatars. That are the body/minds. That which is writing on the keyboard is your avatar so to speak. Pure forces also manifest now and again. We guess it is what is called "weather" (in whatever meaning you take it).


And if you want to know the "names" of the two spirits, they are "Chaos" and "Order." ;)

Yes, in English. :D

octopusrex
02-05-2010, 11:59 PM
Or the Goddess by her true name?

For around 2 years now this Goddess has been coming into my life via symbols and meditations and sycronicities.

I have maybe times felt that her energy is loving and feels like Jesus' energy.

Recently it came to my attention that maybe Isis was a dangerous trap.

If anyone has any knowledge of who the PTB worship i would be very interested.

Jay

Worship of the Goddess? Count me in.:D

michael christopher
03-05-2010, 04:00 AM
So as the divine feminine is supposedly negitive does that mean her side is chaos?

The reason i want to question my Isis (for want of a better name) awakening is because

I can't know if her influence on me is really subliminal messaging being broadcast to us all.

I know this post now makes me seem like a fruit loop lol

Jay

Your paranoia is going to kill you.

One half of existence cannot be "negative." Neither can feminine energy. Neither is chaos.

When you have to look at reality through such a scope, you are missing the point of life entirely. If you keep going around afraid that subliminal messaging is controlling you, then you've already lost control of your own mind. Pictures, words and sounds cannot control you and do not have the ability to control you. The idiots on this forum who suggest otherwise are not your friends.

Ask yourself, are you really so un-evolved that you aren't in control of your own actions, that "subliminal messaging" is enough of an excuse for you to make poor decisions? The philosophy of the lazy and weak reigns supreme here, the eternal victims are always whining about something.

michael christopher
03-05-2010, 04:03 AM
the divine feminine represents the worlds psyche - our lower self (which tends to indentify with the material world, negative energy, etc.) and our higher self (which identifies with the spiritual essence of everything, positive energy, Christ, etc.)

If you feel like this energy is helping to purify your heart, making you a better person, etc.. then it's a good thing. Religious fundamentalists take everything literally and think any mention of a 'Goddess' is Satanic because it's polytheism. As MC said, it's a force, not an entity. The "Goddess", "Isis", etc. are just archtypes for that force, just like "Christ" is an archtype for the universal consciousness.

The ptb worship (for lack of better word) the lower aspect of Isis.. ie. they identify with the lower self, materialism, etc..

There's a documentary on youtube called "13 Masonic Secrets" that does a pretty good job of explaining the elites symbolism in regards to the Goddess, God, Son, etc.. at least for an introduction into it...

Don't know if I particularly agree with painting all Freemasons with the same brush as you just have, but I do have to agree with your interpretation of how it works.

You are right, they worship a lower aspect.

People who understand the Qabalah can understand how this works better.

Every force has a high and low aspect. The low aspect of the divine "masculine" force, or the creative force, would probably be Judeo-Christian or Islamic. These are "qliphothic" elements, or lower aspects of a spirit. There are also higher aspects of a same spirit. In this sense, any spirit can produce either a demon or an angel depending upon your understanding of the spiritual force.

i.e. One of the sephyri/spirits according to Qabalistic tradition is the Sephiroth "Chesed." Chesed is Justice. It is represented by the planet Jupiter. A high aspect of the Chesed sephiroth would be the spirit of Justice, not personified in any way but purely as a spiritual force. The literal archetype, Justice. That's the perfect, sephirothic emanation. A lower emanation, or a corrupted version, or a "demonic"/Qliphothic version, would be the Greek God Zeus or the Roman God Jupiter. Or as I like to call him, arch-demon Yahweh. :p A lower emanation of Justice, a corrupted interpretation of it.

michael christopher
03-05-2010, 04:12 AM
Do you think it is that what Mr. Icke experienced on his trip in Peru?

I have no idea, really, I think Icke probably corresponds with a lot of negative spiritual forces masquerading as "Truth" and "Light." Ayahuasca seems to be a feminine plant, always associated with "the goddess Mother" - so I would say if you're referring to what he experienced on that drug, I would have to say that yeah, he probably did experience some personification of the spirit of Chaos.

Yes if they take those names as different mental entities. Then you have the Yahweh followers against Lucifer followers, Allah followers against perhaps Isis followers etc. All mental noise. Those who know the meaning of those words don't bother.

Yeah, you're right. Gods and goddesses are nothing more than little icons, they're not real. Just "descriptions" of something too great to be described.

You ever saw a Sufi invasion force or Gnostic drive-by? :D

No. A Gnostic drive-by? Gnostics seem fairly peaceful to me, although I'm sure that back in the day there were violent Gnostic sects. In my opinion, Luciferhorus promotes some kind of violent interpretation of gnosticism.

Well real spirits do have avatars. That are the body/minds. That which is writing on the keyboard is your avatar so to speak. Pure forces also manifest now and again. We guess it is what is called "weather" (in whatever meaning you take it).

Hmm, I take your meaning. I would say that by definition of entering this world, a spirit automatically becomes somewhat corrupted by necessity. Kind of like in the book "What Dreams May Come" where you can't enter Hell without letting Hell become a part of you. We have to give something up to live on this world. We have to give up our knowledge, because if we retained full knowledge while here we would probably kill ourselves just to get away from this place. It would be too hard to accomplish what we are created to accomplish if we can remember what the face and presence of our creator looks like. Just my personal belief, though.

Yes, in English. :D

Yes.

billycourty
03-05-2010, 06:35 AM
But would you say that Jesus (i understand these are human given names) came to try and turn the human race away from the devine feminine because it is time for the creation energy of the devine masculine to restore balance, or do you think the devine female has been raped and pillaged by Christianity and hers is the power that needs to come back into the world to restore balance?

I have a problem because i was raised catholic so its extremely hard to escape the fetters of good and evil that that has imposed on my views.

I do want to be of the light so to speak.

@micheal christopher thanks for your posts.

I would just like to add that its not that i am AFRAID of being brainwashed its just i see how it would be possible so i try and deeply examine thoughts and concepts that are "given" to me to try and stay on a path toward universal love and light!

Jay

billycourty
03-05-2010, 07:55 AM
I just wanted to add:

If the PTB do worship a more materalistic side of the divine Feminine does the creation of Christianity really serve to scare us commoners away from what is in fact a very powerful, tangable and useable spritual force that we could use to encrease our success and enjoyment of life?

Is it wrong to want more money and success (as we are told it is in christianity) or is that just a way to stop us asking for these gifts from the Goddess so the PTB can keep their upperhand?

Your thoughts please
Jay

turquoisefire777
03-05-2010, 08:05 AM
"Isis" is the mother of the matrix...

billycourty
03-05-2010, 08:08 AM
and the matrix is bad?

You mean this turq? http://www.mother-matrix.org/

turquoisefire777
03-05-2010, 08:33 AM
and the matrix is bad?

You mean this turq? http://www.mother-matrix.org/

interesting. i know that "isis" goes by many different appearances and names.

and it's a joke, like the statue of "liberty" in new york, where the statue resembles isis, the enslaver.

billycourty
03-05-2010, 08:44 AM
Can you share more of what you know Turq, no more one liners.

I really do need to understand the truth of this.

And also the truth of the name Jesus being a translation of ISIS.

There is a very important power here and i have to know how to embrace it or escape it.

LOL oh and you do know that your avitar is ISIS right?

Jay

turquoisefire777
03-05-2010, 11:01 AM
Can you share more of what you know Turq, no more one liners.

I really do need to understand the truth of this.

And also the truth of the name Jesus being a translation of ISIS.

There is a very important power here and i have to know how to embrace it or escape it.

LOL oh and you do know that your avitar is ISIS right?

Jay

it's rather difficult for me to explain everything as is from my point of view, becuase there are so many subject interconnections that it's hard not to sit down and write a huge "essay" on it.

here, ISIS is the mother of the matrix. she is the false "divine mother". she is an intruder. ISIS is like when a scientist takes your toe-nail clipping and then grows another "you" with it, only that this other "you" has also been "genetically modified" to express pure evil in the most deceitful ways possible.

now imagine you come home from work or whatever and see this other "you" taking over or trying to take over your whole life. ISIS is therefore an Artificial Intelligence, a program, a rotten and decaying carbon copy of the true divine. and because it's false, it cannot sustain itself but has to steal energy from the true divine to sustain itself, hence why the matrix was created. that would make ISIS and her "brood" vampires, the queen of the damned she is.


lucifer has become the "son" of this program, and thus also share in the anti-christ energies. and my point of view is that all other well known archangels in religious folklore is also part of this anti-christ energy.and all the anti-christ is doing is it's going around to decieve and take down with it as many as it can...

also, have a read around here: http://www.canng.com/

turquoisefire777
03-05-2010, 11:08 AM
LOL oh and you do know that your avitar is ISIS right?

Jay

ISIS is a deciever, and will claim to be many things while really being the exact opposite. for instance, ISIS will claim to be of Light, and can even keep such appearnces up temporarily, but that does not mean ISIS is "real".

so excuse me while i borrow from religion:

2 Corinthians 11:14 (New Living Translation)
14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

billycourty
03-05-2010, 11:11 AM
Thanks for posting Turq, could you then please tell me from your own soul searching how you uncovered the true devine mother?

Is she jesus or something else, or is the vail too deep for us to reconnect with the true devine force?

Also have you encounted this Isis energy and embraced it and managed to step away from it? I:e what lead you to your current truth?

You seem to be someone who has expereinced a little of what i am talking about.

Thanks for your thoughts
Jay

P.s i looked at that site but i couldnt find anything on Isis, can you give me a nudge in the right direction?

michael christopher
03-05-2010, 11:38 AM
But would you say that Jesus (i understand these are human given names) came to try and turn the human race away from the devine feminine because it is time for the creation energy of the devine masculine to restore balance, or do you think the devine female has been raped and pillaged by Christianity and hers is the power that needs to come back into the world to restore balance?

If you honestly think masculine forces have no been in control for the last few thousand years, you aren't paying attention. Jesus preached passivity, that is a feminine trait. In fact, nearly everything he preached was fundamentally at odds with the way his preachings have been interpreted. In my opinion, the Jesus fable is another attempt by the universe to restore feminine balance.

I have a problem because i was raised catholic so its extremely hard to escape the fetters of good and evil that that has imposed on my views.

Here's a hint: If the Catholics told you it was good, it's evil.

I do want to be of the light so to speak.

No one is "of the light" and you are trying to reach an unattainable goal. Be yourself. If you get involved in the pointless war between light and darkness, you are wasting your time, because there will never be a winner but the fight will go on forever.

@micheal christopher thanks for your posts.

I would just like to add that its not that i am AFRAID of being brainwashed its just i see how it would be possible so i try and deeply examine thoughts and concepts that are "given" to me to try and stay on a path toward universal love and light!

Jay

Well, if you are afraid of subliminal messaging, you are wasting your energy. It has to be one of the least effective attempts out there to brainwash people. The only people who say subliminal messaging works are the people who give into their own darkness and decide to blame "the media" or "the Illuminati" for it. It's kind of pathetic.

turquoisefire777
03-05-2010, 11:38 AM
Thanks for posting Turq, could you then please tell me from your own soul searching how you uncovered the true devine mother?

it's...an intuitive search for truth is the best way i can put it. it's also a very personal and trying search, since the anti-christ always tries to interfere.

Is she jesus or something else, or is the vail too deep for us to reconnect with the true devine force?

have a read here, to bet answer the question:
Jesus The Spiritual Warrior
http://www.canng.com/articles/jesus_warrior.htm

Jesus The Rescuer
http://www.canng.com/articles/jesus_rescuer.htm


Also have you encounted this Isis energy and embraced it and managed to step away from it? I:e what lead you to your current truth?

quite frankly, yes. my journey began with first stepping away from the religion i was born into, to reading Icke and other spiritual books like Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav and Neale Donald Walsh's "Conversation with God" series" and eventually i could put the pieces together, or scrape them off, when i found out and read the articles of amitakh stanford.


You seem to be someone who has expereinced a little of what i am talking about.

Thanks for your thoughts
Jay

ur welcome. just know that there is pretty much an "absolute standard" (give or take a little) for good and evil, and if you are not moving in a positive direction, you are moving in a negative one.

i've tried to base my life around these ideas i found in the previous mentioned books, they have become my unofficial values:

Awareness
Honesty
Responsibility
(from "conversations with god" book 2)

and

the intentions of the soul are:
Harmony
Cooperation
Sharing
Reverence for Life

from Gary Zukav...

also, be aware that ISIS is an intuitive program:

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/rsoc_en-prod-photos/e/1/c/d/6/e1cd6f73ee7b127eced9b728133a093e.jpg/?size=400x400&site=rsoc_en&wm_add=&quality=100&stmp=1215020413
http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/rsoc_en-prod-photos/e/1/c/d/6/e1cd6f73ee7b127eced9b728133a093e.jpg/?size=400x400&site=rsoc_en&wm_add=&quality=100&stmp=1215020413

billycourty
03-05-2010, 12:07 PM
@Micheal Christopher

I find this Isis energy very strong and it is the first thing that connects with us when we meditated. It is the strong all loving mother energy that leads you to oneness.
It is so strong and i see so much sybolism in todays modern designs that i find it hard to believe this feminine energy is opressed in any way.

I am a woman so this Isis mother is very perfect for me. I see a lot of the supossed symbolism for the ptb are Isis symbols (i hate using that name but its quicker than typing She of 10,000 names.) And these symbols are everywhere.

So i ask myself, what power is really missing from the world today? If you look at even the adam and eve story and the bible which seems to be little woman and degraded them. Couldnt that also be the ploy of the underdog?

I try and peer deeply into things to try and understand.

@Turq

So you look to Jesus as your guide?

Secondly i find myself unable to meditate at this time because the Isis energy is so strong that i just get suduced by it. I can't pray either because i hate running to hide under jesus' skirts everytime i get away from christianity.

I wish it was simple and that i could be blinded by faith and never think. But i want to have the true light in my life and not follow an illusikon from cradle to grave and if i have to have a few dark nights of the soul to get there /shrugs.

Jay

turquoisefire777
03-05-2010, 01:01 PM
@Turq

So you look to Jesus as your guide?

Secondly i find myself unable to meditate at this time because the Isis energy is so strong that i just get suduced by it. I can't pray either because i hate running to hide under jesus' skirts everytime i get away from christianity.

I wish it was simple and that i could be blinded by faith and never think. But i want to have the true light in my life and not follow an illusikon from cradle to grave and if i have to have a few dark nights of the soul to get there /shrugs.

Jay

i resonate with the words of jesus. it makes sense to me on an intrinsic level.

and yes, you'll find it very difficult to keep a quiet mind for meditation. this is by design from the evil one, because if you "see" some talking to you but cannot hear, then you could have ,missed important messages, i.e. there is allot of interferences from EMF/ELF, gm food, radiation, fluoride, etc, etc, etc...

one remedy to this is to keep yourself constructively BUSY, that way your mind can also shift gears...
praying could very well be "replaced" by constructive affirmations with good intent, that way you can also raise your vibrations. remember, the dark ones do the opposite of this...

finally, it seems that the path to the true light, for those who stay viable, is very much a personal one. follow your heart...and your head, so to speak.

staying "viable" is one's own responsibility, since there are many deceivers.

Hebrews 12:26 (New Living Translation)
26 When God spoke from Mount Sinai his voice shook the earth, but now he makes another promise: “Once again I will shake not only the earth but the heavens also.”

michael christopher
03-05-2010, 04:21 PM
@Micheal Christopher

I find this Isis energy very strong and it is the first thing that connects with us when we meditated. It is the strong all loving mother energy that leads you to oneness.
It is so strong and i see so much sybolism in todays modern designs that i find it hard to believe this feminine energy is opressed in any way.

Well, the symbols are certainly not oppressed. But actual feminine energy itself most certainly is. Women are still expected to simply marry and have children, to be subjected to the whim of men. Homosexuals are still persecuted. Men are still in control and people with feminine viewpoints are typically looked at as less reliable or worthy of respect than people with masculine viewpoints. Feminine symbolism is everywhere, yes, but I think it's placed here as a way to counterpoint the over-abundance of masculine energy.

War, the greatest evil on the face of this planet, is created out of a desire for more order, not for more chaos. It is a masculine imperative. War is, at least in my opinion, the most prevalent evil force on the face of the planet.

I don't know. It seems pretty obvious to me that feminine energy is still feared and repressed to the extreme degree.

I am a woman so this Isis mother is very perfect for me. I see a lot of the supossed symbolism for the ptb are Isis symbols (i hate using that name but its quicker than typing She of 10,000 names.) And these symbols are everywhere.

Yeah, it doesn't really matter what name you give her, it's all the same. She is Venus, Sophia, Eris, Discordia, Mary, Isis, Freya, etc. There are even male gods which correspond with her, more masculine aspects of the feminine spirit. The one I always go to is Eris/Discordia. (Greek/Roman aspects.)

So i ask myself, what power is really missing from the world today? If you look at even the adam and eve story and the bible which seems to be little woman and degraded them. Couldnt that also be the ploy of the underdog?

I think the Adam and Eve story purposely demonizes women so that men might look smarter and more capable. I don't know, I just have an extremely hard time buying that masculine energy is the power missing from this world. There is too much testosterone. It's pretty clear to me, based on all of the endless war going on over the past few thousand years, that men are obviously in control.

I try and peer deeply into things to try and understand.

Good for you! You seem like one of the smarter people here. Most want to focus on the fictional characters like they're real, but you seem to understand the truth is a lot deeper than the masks it puts on.

maverick angel
03-05-2010, 05:00 PM
I never felt Isis was a part of my consciousness at all, I was not really interested in the Egyptians and relate far more to Irish/celtic mythology. However, for three days before for my kundalini rose, I had very symbolic dreams, the first was about finding a statue of Isis! Kundalini Shakti is also regarded as the divine feminine. In this context she is regarded as the active creative force in nature, certainly not a bad object of worship. However she really wants union with her mate Shiva, the male principle, you need both, balance is the thing.:)

billycourty
03-05-2010, 05:18 PM
@Micheal

Don't you feel that the words and games that are being played out in the world today are very manipulated and underhand? Deep game plays and shadow games.

To me that is a woman's way of warring (and a good way). But its not a mans way. Men don't quickly fight because they know when they do they are going to get hurt real bad.
But women think that men can be pushed into fights, by flirting etc or speaking out of turn in gossip for a female power trip.

After the event the woman can feel proud and nurse her warrior. But she doesnt realize she is playing with fire.

Take dogs for example: Two bitches even when spayed will fight viciously while two boy dogs will make a lot of show and bark and try and avoid a fight.


Even a week ago i would have rather bitten my tongue then say any of this. I hate how women are treated and the bible makes my blood boil!!!! I would jump over to the Goddess Isis and her tree of life and Frigga and Yggdrasil like i am being TOLD to by the devine herself.

But something isnt right, something has me spooked and before i get pushed too far down the garden path i want to check somethings and ask a few questions!

@Maverick Angel

I had a spontanious kundiluni awakening about a year ago myself and the Goddess has been trying to get inside my head ever since. She might have picked a less scarycat catholic though!!

Thanks for sharing everyone!

Jay

elirien
03-05-2010, 10:38 PM
I have no idea, really, I think Icke probably corresponds with a lot of negative spiritual forces masquerading as "Truth" and "Light." Ayahuasca seems to be a feminine plant, always associated with "the goddess Mother" - so I would say if you're referring to what he experienced on that drug, I would have to say that yeah, he probably did experience some personification of the spirit of Chaos.

Thank you :D


Yeah, you're right. Gods and goddesses are nothing more than little icons, they're not real. Just "descriptions" of something too great to be described.


You're right :D Quite beautiful even on their own.


No. A Gnostic drive-by? Gnostics seem fairly peaceful to me, although I'm sure that back in the day there were violent Gnostic sects. In my opinion, Luciferhorus promotes some kind of violent interpretation of gnosticism.

Gnostics are wonderful beings. Some say that those violent Gnostics are so in love with God that they are jealous of everything else. That is how Lucifer is and of course how luciferhorus is. We understand and respect him. He wants all the animal behaviors to go rampage so that those that do them can experience that and move on. He spreads the seeds of that. That is his job and he does it most perfectly. He is the test, the teacher.

If we would like to use those words, the "bible thumpers" or the "hadith addicts" are his minions, his secret agents although both of them don't realize it. Quite CIA or KGB eh? :D


Hmm, I take your meaning. I would say that by definition of entering this world, a spirit automatically becomes somewhat corrupted by necessity. Kind of like in the book "What Dreams May Come" where you can't enter Hell without letting Hell become a part of you. We have to give something up to live on this world. We have to give up our knowledge, because if we retained full knowledge while here we would probably kill ourselves just to get away from this place. It would be too hard to accomplish what we are created to accomplish if we can remember what the face and presence of our creator looks like. Just my personal belief, though.

Yes, although you say it is your personal belief it is quite true. Also how can there be free will if one doesn't forget who one is? It is the prerequisite of the free will zone.

We watched the movie of that book by the way. Quite beautiful description in 3D so to speak :D


Yes.

Thank you and Bless you.