How do you get out of this trap of working so much

[gorgeousbutterfly]

I mean i know A LOT of people who work all the time , hate their jobs and they aren't even living their lives? do they realizes what is going on? this is the worst part of life i think . people get stuck in their jobs they forget reality and everything. i haven't talked to my freind in 2 weeks because she said she is too busy with her job, and she lives at home, she doesn't need to pay the bills. she is like a freaken computer! i can't watch her become into a puppet like the rest of humanity, its tooooooooooo much for me to handle. i just want to cry. i don't work right now but when i did i didn't work that much and i still made room to actually live and introspect on whats going on. i don't understand why people work so much because they need money. i mean some of these people are already rich! what the hell?

[eat_a_grey]

I havent 'worked' in about 7 years now :rolleyes:

Its awesome really..I stay awake til all hours of the night,sleep in..

If I ever need any extra dough,Ill do some 'side work' or what ever.

Truth is,I am 'disabled' and I collect SSDI. :cool:

[gorgeousbutterfly]

I havent 'worked' in about 7 years now :rolleyes:

Its awesome really..I stay awake til all hours of the night,sleep in..

If I ever need any extra dough,Ill do some 'side work' or what ever.

Truth is,I am 'disabled' and I collect SSDI. :cool:


*HUGS* what kind of disability? i was said i can get this too because of my learning disability and severe depression.

[thetonic]

You see in nature , you have to work as well, you know plough the fields, hunt the game, pick the berries etc... And you will work a good part of the day just to live, but its far more rewarding feeling to work for essential survival , than say working for a debt collection agency...

Also , some people are just natural workaholics(busy bees) And some people are forced to work their whole damn life due to lack of cash... I definitely think america has gone too far overboard with it.. We feel like slaves because we are right now

[thetonic]

Oh yeah .. if you want out of it.. You gotta move to a hippie community, where everyone makes ganja gooballs for breakfast... Im thinking about starting one actually:D

[gorgeousbutterfly]

i don't think i explained myself well. i think i posted t his out of anger which is irrational of me. i am ok with working, but its about balance. most people i know don't understand this. working form 9a.m till 8p.m is nonsense when you live in a large home, i mean are you working to afford this house? is it that important? i mean you are working most of your lives away just so you can afford that house that you are barely even living in because you work so damn much! again do you need that BIG HOUSE? i just can't tolerate this type of living. they don't realize what they are doing. i understand if you LOVED your job but they don't. work is just making money for them. (them as in people with this mentality)

i also don't like the excuse, oh i can't hang out, talk because i'm working, and then i am too busy from work i'm resting. and then i don't see them for a month,two months etc, or is this just an excuse?

but i understand if you need to work that much to pay for the bills etc and you are barley cutting it.

[megafish33]

hey gorgeous,

Yeah, it's enough to make you go insane. Before starting school again I was putting in almost 18 hours some days... for what? I thought... who's benefiting? The thing is though, you have to work with the system. You have to learn it and find the ways it can benefit you, without enslaving others preferably! Now, I assume this may be counterintuitive to you(I mean, you are on an Icke forum), but it's the only way for now. If Icke thought differently he wouldn't be charging thirty dollars US for a book filled with quotes.

Take some time out of everyday, if possible, and learn finance. And learn all the different types of it as well, just because one country does it one way doesn't mean it's the best and most efficient way.

[lottie]

Yeah ditto that- work with the system i say!! i was the friend who was too tired to socialise from working all hours!

i had a similar problem- when you wake up to this stuff you kind of go through a rebellion stage (or i did at least) and i gave up my job (very unlike me) it was a 40 hr a week job with nights too, responsible for 24 people at anyone time plus staff, but then i snapped and realised how unhappy i'd become, so i left and had 2months off but the pressure was on as we couldnt survive on one wage, in the end the thought of losing the house etc had forced me to get another job, i realised that although i was reducing my attatchment to material things i still needed a roof over my head so i had to work- the difference is i went to a job that pays a lot less and i have no responsibility so my job now means i dont have to worry when i go home at night- and i do 35hrs a week and not the average 40!! my shifts are never longer than 7hrs and im happy as larry!! we reduced our outgoings, we realised that happiness was more important than money and so my other half is now going through the exact transformation! :)
The only reason now that i tell my friends that i cant see them is because i want to avoid boring mindless trivial conversations!!! :D

[anoninnyc]

i don't understand why people work so much because they need money. i mean some of these people are already rich! what the hell?

i know many "rich" people who live a certain lifestyle and need money to fund it. the truly smart way to go about things is to live way below your means....

to me you are financially rich if you can retire and sustain your lifestyle. for some people with millions this is not possible, for others with half of that it is very easily done.

the key is not buying into the consumer bullshit lifestyle.

[lizzy]

Those with our lovely free time please listen to this.
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_IBM_IBeam_Feb222007_32.mp3
let me know what you think. For me it means not giving them a days slave labour for their NWO>

[melbo]

I work 30 hours a week. I'd work less or not at all but I have to pay the rent and food etc. but I agree, you get people working 60 hours a week just so they can get a bigger house/bigger car, that's just bullsh*t. Keeping up with fashion for the sake of it stupid too. Can't people see, it's all a con?

Another complete waste of money is Christmas, all that mad spending on presents for people you don't hardly see and don't even like.

[megafish33]

Another complete waste of money is Christmas, all that mad spending on presents for people you don't hardly see and don't even like.

That and f-ing Halloween, which just rots peoples teeth with candies. Halloween keeps Dietitians and Dentists overtime... so they can be paid more. :D

[cheesedanish]

Great thread ... yes and most people working so hard are actually make
other people rich and not themselves! I worked in London in '99 and
felt like such a robot, long hours, on the train, no time for yourself.

The Nwo loves us to be robotic so we can be slaves and not question
anything. I am lucky now because I work with my Husband and have
a lot more free time. I love it! I also like not having to answer to a
Boss.

The think Tv pushes the Bling Lifestyle alot - as everyone on Telly is
rich and people aspire to be like that. Everything these days is about
brands so people will do anything to fit in.

One of my niece's friends was even stealing money out of my sister's
purse that's how desperate they are to have money.

Anoninyc said it when you must live below your means.

'We work to live not live to work.'

[williammac]

I never wanted to be that worker either, so I became a writer and illustrator, which I'm doing just fine at. I think that people need to know what they love to do, then they need to find out how they can capitalize on their talents and make a living off of it, and this is what will make them happy. It made me happy.

I work all the time now. Around 14 hours or so a day, but I love my work. My work is my life because I love my work. So, I don't have time for going out a lot anymore, but it's OK with me really.

I couldn't really even begin to be able to give advice on how to get to this point. I think you have to start young and not give into all of the bullshit that you can't do it. I know the schools and my own parents discouraged my talents. But I did it anyway, and I've come to a place where I can make a fairly comfortable middle-class income and I'm only 21 and I'm a high school dropout.

People have to do what they love, or they'll never be happy and they'll stymie their purpose.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[punjabibeard]

you claim mental sickness benifits ;)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I think some people are going about this all wrong.

Ok, I agree that you need to work to have. You don't work, you don't deserve.

But over-working, for the sake of "status" is abit over done.
Status is to be earned by deeds, not by payment. But this society has traded the one in for the other.

A corporation is like a body(and in legal terms, it is a person), so everypart of the "body" must do something in order to keep this "virtual person" going.
When the "brain" (CEO) feels that there is too much fat, or there is a body part that will make it work better if it didn't have it, gets rid of it. It "down-sizes". What the "body" needs to do, is rebel, and tell the brain what has to be done, not the brain telling what has to be done. Because in reality, the body could be in the worst of situations, but if the brain doesn't
"believe it", then it sees no problem.

Of course, this is why a corporation is a virtual person and not a physical person. The physical person does this "mind of matter" part for survival and for evolution. The virtual has no right to do this, because although they care the title of "person", it is actually made up of physical persons.

Union. That's all I'm saying.

[malvern]

Those with our lovely free time please listen to this.

do not have free time, but i make time....
thanks lizzy enjoyed and agree to the views..:)

lot of quotes will pop up on this subject of slavery for the master of money...
My dad one was, "we work to live and not live to work", but with my dad there was always the but..... "so this day and age you do not get much free time, so use it wisely, soon there will be no time".

Freedom for all:)

[rossus]

if it's a fun job, i don't mind working 8 hours per day 5 per week.
i'm trying to get a job taking care of vegetables in a greenhouse :D

and when i get that settled i'm going to study some kind of massage.
the worst kind of work for me is work that involves thinking a lot!

[bigus_dickus]

some people live to work, some others work to live.

it is different.

first case: people are their jobs, are what they do. most don't like it, but they believe that this is the way things are and that they are their job and that's it. that's what the corporations look for, people who can identify with them and make them their home and their personal identity

second case: people love their jobs because they love their lives. they don't identify with what they do or get too attached. they may work a lot more than the people of the first case, but they don't mind at all.

first case: people don't live, they don't have a so-called "personal life", they try to fit living into working.

second case: people truly live, their work is as "personal" as their lives, they include working into living.

all it takes, wherever and whenever you are, is a decision, a change of perspective, not necessarily a change of job.

[whitenight639]

i don't think i explained myself well. i think i posted t his out of anger which is irrational of me. i am ok with working, but its about balance. most people i know don't understand this. working form 9a.m till 8p.m is nonsense when you live in a large home, i mean are you working to afford this house? is it that important? i mean you are working most of your lives away just so you can afford that house that you are barely even living in because you work so damn much! again do you need that BIG HOUSE? i just can't tolerate this type of living. they don't realize what they are doing. i understand if you LOVED your job but they don't. work is just making money for them. (them as in people with this mentality)

i also don't like the excuse, oh i can't hang out, talk because i'm working, and then i am too busy from work i'm resting. and then i don't see them for a month,two months etc, or is this just an excuse?

but i understand if you need to work that much to pay for the bills etc and you are barley cutting it.


my mate that i used to babysit for was saying this, she used to work from home and got another job to earn more money she said i work so that i can look after my kids, but when i work i dont get to see my kids all day,
the current state of things is really frustrating.

[anoninnyc]

my mate that i used to babysit for was saying this, she used to work from home and got another job to earn more money she said i work so that i can look after my kids, but when i work i dont get to see my kids all day,
the current state of things is really frustrating.

yeah that is really sad. from what i see there are three separate types of people-

1) those who work too much because they have to financially. I feel sorry for these people. I have been this person. They are financial slaves to the system, they feel trapped and are unable to see a way out. Like rats on a treadmill. These people aspire to fit into category 2 or 3, depending upon the person.
2) those who work too much because they feel they need to keep up with the Jones' These people are brainwashed idiots. They are also unable to see a way out, even though it is right there in front of their face. No, honey, you really DO NOT need that new designer handbag, luxury car, bigger house, etc. They turn themselves willfully into financial slaves of the system. This is the epitome of lunacy, in my opinion
3) those who are lucky enough that they don't have to work too much- now this group falls into many subcategories including trust fund kids, those who are lucky and smart and invested well, those who won the lottery, those who married rich, those who lucked out somehow or worked their butts off to save money, those who live a very frugal lifestyle- the key component is that they all live within or below their means.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

yeah that is really sad. from what i see there are three separate types of people-

1) those who work too much because they have to financially. I feel sorry for these people. I have been this person. They are financial slaves to the system, they feel trapped and are unable to see a way out. Like rats on a treadmill. These people aspire to fit into category 2 or 3, depending upon the person.
2) those who work too much because they feel they need to keep up with the Jones' These people are brainwashed idiots. They are also unable to see a way out, even though it is right there in front of their face. No, honey, you really DO NOT need that new designer handbag, luxury car, bigger house, etc. They turn themselves willfully into financial slaves of the system. This is the epitome of lunacy, in my opinion
3) those who are lucky enough that they don't have to work too much- now this group falls into many subcategories including trust fund kids, those who are lucky and smart and invested well, those who won the lottery, those who married rich, those who lucked out somehow or worked their butts off to save money, those who live a very frugal lifestyle- the key component is that they all live within or below their means.


how about those who work a lot ands love their job?

[anoninnyc]

how about those who work a lot ands love their job?

well they are very lucky that they love their job but they could fall into any of the three categories. to know which category you must ask do they need to work these long hours for financial reasons? if yes then they are one or two. then ask do they need this money to live a basic lifestyle or do they need it to keep up with what the media, etc brainwashes them into thinking that they need. If they are one or two they are still a slave, albeit a happy one.

[jim fear]

I haven’t worked for about 3 years. I’m on sickness benefit at the moment but I’d prefer to be well enough to work, I like having something to do with my day, Although I am always finding things I need to do to progress. The Open University does loads of courses, which I can do in my own time, and because I’m on benefits I get them free.

I have had breathings problems over the last few years and it makes my life extremely difficult at times and had a very negative effect as well I don’t know exactly what’s wrong with me but I have something wrong with my stomach and I cant breath well I get dizzy spells, my sleep patterns screwed, sometimes it gets really difficult and at first I was really scared, I don’t have asthma but a friend of mine died from it, and when my breathings really bad I always think of him and wonder if its “ my time”. These days I no that it’ll eventually get easier so I just try and keep calm and drink lots of water which seems to help but I’m usually in a mess for a few days after.

I went to my doctor and he examined me and gave me anti inflammatorys for my nose, but they didn’t do anything, I went back and I was given a steroid nasal spray, that didn’t work so he referred me to an ear nose and throat specialist, he examined me and couldn’t find anything and after an allergy test he said it was properly just a dust allergy, and then basically had a go at me for wasting their time!

So I cleared my room, changed the carpet and now its all dust free, still have the same problem. Anyway I go back to the doctor to ask for a sick note because its not getting better and I had no income and I was getting letters from the depart of work & pensions asking what I was doing (was I working or not if not why am I not on job seekers or something) So I figured I’d just sign on the sick until I get better. Anyway the doctor refuses to give me a note, saying that my condition wasn’t serious enough to sign me off. (Not surprising after that useless shit of an ENT specialist wrote a report saying that I’m fine I just have a dust allergy). He told me I’d just have to find a job that I could do (so I was looking for a job which doesn’t require me to be able to breath well, any suggestions would be appreciated because I’m F**ked if I can think of any!)

So I come home and my dad said that perhaps I didn’t explain my position accurately enough or stress how bad I get, so I had to go back with my dad to convince my doctor that i'm ill! I’m in my 20’s and the doctor won’t listen to me! Any after a while of going over things he eventually signs me off for a month and having given up on the NHS my dad very kindly offered to for me to go private. The doctor was quicker but didn’t find anything wrong with me, my nose is always blocked up but the scans didn’t show anything to be wrong with them. The sick note ran out and I still wasn’t well so I have to get another note. That note ran out so I had to get another and so on.

Anyway the doctor basically just said all this is in my head, its all just stress and started to put words in my mouth and sent me off to see a councillor, who is now giving me prozac for depression, which I didn’t even ask for! I still have the breathing trouble the doctor won’t listen and now he’s signed me off due to “depression” and now giving me Prozac which I don’t take because according to the leaflet it courses respiratory problems and digestive problems, problems which I have already!

So now I’m now in a real mess because of him, I need to change doctors. I’m currently seeing an herbalist; I’ve tried everything else. I get really pissed off when people look down to me because I’m on benefits “ Your stealing our taxes” “ I’m working my arse off and your getting hand outs” I have heard them all, but I am a genuine case, I am unwell I’d love to get back to work but I’m stuck and I’m not getting better so until then I cant work.

Sorry about the rant!

[melbo]

Sorry about your problems Jim. Don't take any notice of what other people think, it's only what they've been brainwashed into believing anyway. Doctor's are alright if you know what's wrong with you, but if you have something unusual they're useless.

Have you tried food intolerance tests, that kind of thing? Sometimes even a chiropractor can sort out problems which you would think would be completely unrelated to your spine and posture.

[thirdwave]

I mean i know A LOT of people who work all the time , hate their jobs and they aren't even living their lives? do they realizes what is going on? this is the worst part of life i think . people get stuck in their jobs they forget reality and everything. i haven't talked to my freind in 2 weeks because she said she is too busy with her job, and she lives at home, she doesn't need to pay the bills. she is like a freaken computer! i can't watch her become into a puppet like the rest of humanity, its tooooooooooo much for me to handle. i just want to cry. i don't work right now but when i did i didn't work that much and i still made room to actually live and introspect on whats going on. i don't understand why people work so much because they need money. i mean some of these people are already rich! what the hell?


I think alot of it comes down to values....

there is not only pressure on people to pay bills but other small pressures that all add up over time... like being able to afford to by someone a drink down the pub and get a round in when you do get to go out.... and being able to buy good clothes....being able to afford to keep up with the expectations of society...

I was very laid back with work a few years back.... I could not really buy new clothes... never had enough money to buy people a round.... could not afford to go out much... as a result my love life dipped, was not very social and I was a bit of a cave man for a while... but I was doing what I wanted and when I woke up I was thinking about what I really wanted to do...

now I'm not trying to say I am super man or anything... but allot of people would not do that because they would be too afraid of how they would be viewed by friends.. family... and just in general... so they choose to work their arses off to keep them self s in "good shape"... they cant stop because they are to afraid of "ruining their lives" where as you have pointed out, they are already ruined!

Because I went through that faze, thing balanced out... I got a very laid back job that pays me enough but also allows me to make music and take time off for it... I still manage to do what I want and try and succeed in what I want to do because that was the value I have always and always will put first.

Its only the walls we put up that block us.... if I have to go cave man again and step out of the way of life we have for a while then so be it... I will take that as a season change in my journey to get to where I want...

I'm not lighting up a cigar yet but I'm looking at doing so.

[cheesedanish]

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