anyone tried KRATOM? - a review.

[farros]

One of the few legal plant highs available? I tried some last night and was very impressed, its technically an opiate but I found it very much like mushrooms without the visuals. I managed to get a good healing session from it going between excersise and light meditations. When I closed my eyes I would instantly be tuned to the tension in my body and the Kratom would 'instruct' me on how to release it, I blew out some old cobwebs on this stuff and highly reccomend it to anyone into yoga etc.. its not something Id use to party, but rather do alone, maybe twice a year, as periodic healing sessions.
This was the vendor and specific vial I got..

http://www.shivaheadshop.co.uk/shop/legal_highs/kratom/products/kratom_15x__mitragyna_speciosa_.html

[mark1963]

I did it a couple of times - don't waste your money.

Little lift then naff all.

[theperceivingeye]

I've heard this and Kava Kava are a good mix if you have chronic pain... can be harsh on the liver if taken in excess however.

[farros]

I did it a couple of times - don't waste your money.

Little lift then naff all.

thats a shame, the vial on the link above certainly worked for me, im still feeling a slight afterglow from all the tension I released. The stuff above is a 15x extract, maybe that had something to do with it?
The comedown has been practically none existant, not like E where you smack the floor at 100mph.. this stuff is like parachuting slowly back to reality, with food for thought.. not a 'well that was fun' type of feeling.

[21_12_2012]

I've heard this and Kava Kava are a good mix if you have chronic pain... can be harsh on the liver if taken in excess however.

I take kava kava root capsules if ive been out clubbing on 'substances' and want to get to sleep at some point before next lunch time.

It isn't as strong as temazepam etc but 2 capsules usually does the job for me.

If not, i have a small bag of 5MT (5-Methoxytryptamine)
That stuff WILL get me to sleep in absolutely any condition whatsoever, stronger than anything ive had for sleep, 2 or 3 tiny little scoops.

Never had kratom. Had salvia, and that was the most intense time of my life. I think i was 'reborn' after that.
:D

[let it shine]

I did it a couple of times - don't waste your money.

Little lift then naff all.

this.

it also gave me a headache.

[mark1963]

thats a shame, the vial on the link above certainly worked for me, im still feeling a slight afterglow from all the tension I released. The stuff above is a 15x extract, maybe that had something to do with it?
The comedown has been practically none existant, not like E where you smack the floor at 100mph.. this stuff is like parachuting slowly back to reality, with food for thought.. not a 'well that was fun' type of feeling.

Mine was x15 as well - as i say, naff all effect.

[picha]

One of the few legal plant highs available? I tried some last night and was very impressed, its technically an opiate but I found it very much like mushrooms without the visuals. I managed to get a good healing session from it going between excersise and light meditations. When I closed my eyes I would instantly be tuned to the tension in my body and the Kratom would 'instruct' me on how to release it, I blew out some old cobwebs on this stuff and highly reccomend it to anyone into yoga etc.. its not something Id use to party, but rather do alone, maybe twice a year, as periodic healing sessions.
This was the vendor and specific vial I got..

http://www.shivaheadshop.co.uk/shop/legal_highs/kratom/products/kratom_15x__mitragyna_speciosa_.html

Why dont you just do a codeine cold water extraction if you like opiates?

[farros]

Mine was x15 as well - as i say, naff all effect.

hmm weird, I took the full 4 grams in one mouthful, washed down with water. I can easily imagine having a full blown cosmic-psychadelic experience by simply doubling the dose. I might get 2 vials next time heh. Not much different than some mushroom trips for me. Were you doing anything else at the time ie booze/weed etc? I was just on the Kratom.

Picha are you talking about putting some poppy seeds in water and drinking the water? Either way can you elaborate on the process?

[picha]

hmm weird, I took the full 4 grams in one mouthful, washed down with water. I can easily imagine having a full blown cosmic-psychadelic experience by simply doubling the dose. I might get 2 vials next time heh. Not much different than some mushroom trips for me. Were you doing anything else at the time ie booze/weed etc? I was just on the Kratom.

Picha are you talking about putting some poppy seeds in water and drinking the water? Either way can you elaborate on the process?

The Poor Man's Guide to OTC Codeine Extraction

Introduction:
Variations of this particular method have been posted in the past. This method has been refined to ensure the most effective extraction with the least amount of loss. It has also been confirmed by chemical analysis at a University lab.

This method is for ingestion only. If one were to inject the resulting brew into their bloodstream, they would likely suffer some rather unpleasant effects such as fluid buildup in their lungs and possibly death. You have been warned.

This method has been simplified for the layperson, and does not go into complex explanations of the chemical interactions and solubility factors involved in this process. Information on the scientific principals behind this process are beyond the scope of this document. For more detailed information regarding these issues, refer to the "further reading" section at the end of this guide.


The Theory:
Acetaminophen and codeine are both fairly soluble in water. Codeine will dissolve in both hot and cold water. Acetaminophen (and aspirin too) on the other hand, will not.

The minimum temperature for acetaminophen to dissolve in water is a good 5-10 degrees higher than codeine. Therefore, if one were to lower the temperature of the water to below the minimum solubility temperature of the acetaminophen, then one would be left with a codeine/water mixture, with the acetominophen falling to the bottom.

One could conclude that by dissolving acetaminophen/codeine pills in hot water, and then cooling the solution, one could separate the two compounds, and filter the resulting liquid to entirely remove the acetaminophen.


The Methodology:
Step one: Grab some Tylenol #1 or AC&C caplets from your local pharmacy. These are available in most countries with the exception of the United States. Some American states do sell 8mg codeine/300mg tylenol tablets, but require that release forms be signed to track your usage and "protect" you.

Step two: Crush a respectable amount of the pills into a fine powder. Each pill only has 8mg of codeine, so base your dosage on your tolerance for this type of chemical. Beginners could probably get a good rally from around 12-20 tablets.

Step three: Place the resulting pill-powder into a glass of fairly hot, but not boiling, water. Hot tap water should do the trick. Stir. Make sure most of the powder dissolves. Any powder that does not dissolve after vigorous mixing will most likely be acetaminophen. So not to worry.

Step four: Allow the mixture to cool to room-temperature. Bringing the temperature down too fast will reduce the effectiveness of the process. That's why we let the mixture cool to room temperature first before proceeding to...

Step five: Place the mixture in the freezer and allow it to cool to the point where it is just above freezing. Anywhere from five to ten celsius is good. In an average freezer, this could take up to half an hour. No need to accurately measure the temperature, as long as it "feels cold" then it should be OK.

Step six: Take the cooled liquid out, and slowly filter it into another container. If you don't have any good chemical filters, a coffee filter will do nicely. For best results, use Melita natural brown coffee filters. They aren't bleached, and will allow for a more pure end-result. Once the filtration process is complete, take a look at the filter. The resulting powder left on the filter is the acetaminophen.

Step seven: Take the resulting brew and drink it down. It will taste very bitter. You can try throwing some kool-aid mix in with it, or even mix it with some strong chocolate milk to cut the flavour. Alternatively, you can drink it straight and "chase" it with some cola, much like any other foul tasting substance.


The Test:
The liquid solution produced by the extraction process was shown to have almost no traces of acetaminophen whatsoever (less than ~1% of the original content). The analisys indicated that the mixture consisted of codeine, water, caffeine, and cornstartch. Cornstartch is apparently used as a binding agent in the pills themselves, and as such made its way into the final product.

Unfortunately this method does not also filter out the caffeine. So, when filtering large quantities of Over the Counter codeine pills, don't forget that you'll also be getting large amounts of caffeine in the end result. Be aware.

[beebee]

Be careful with the opiates, mate. What seems to be a nice pastime could very soon turn into a bizarre kafkaesque nightmare, in the sense that opiate addiction turns people into cockroaches. I've seen old friends turn into fiendish shadows of their former selves. Not hesitating for a fraction of a second to steal, lie and cheat from friends and loved ones.

Kratom, or pod tea from homegrown poppies is probably a decent choice if you feel the need to delve into that sea. The more natural the better. So stay off the big pharma synthetic opioids, and also stay away from certain kratom blends sold at smartshops, such as krypton. They contain synthetic derivatives of opioids and are reported to give worse withdrawal symptoms than methadone.

Just go with the most natural stuff you can find. And use wisely.

[dmt head]

hmm weird, I took the full 4 grams in one mouthful, washed down with water. I can easily imagine having a full blown cosmic-psychadelic experience by simply doubling the dose. I might get 2 vials next time heh. Not much different than some mushroom trips for me. Were you doing anything else at the time ie booze/weed etc? I was just on the Kratom.

I very much doubt you will get a cosmic psychedelic experience from kratom, more than likely you will get too hot too itchy and irritable and feel quite dodgy. Nice at low doses, a stimulant effect at low doses but the higher you go the closer you get to the proper opiate effects, which I dont like, but you may be different but you wont trip!

Also I wouldnt extract from codeiene, very easy to overdose!

[krakhead]

http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Kratom.shtml

[disorder2k8]

The idea with kratom is not to smoke it, if you do you will waste it. Its usally based on sugar resin so you need to boil it down and make it into a brew (add some coffee and sugar and turn it into a drink if you want)

Ive tried kratom but I did it the 'wrong' way first, I smoked it and didnt get much from it.

I do like salvia though.

[picha]

I very much doubt you will get a cosmic psychedelic experience from kratom, more than likely you will get too hot too itchy and irritable and feel quite dodgy. Nice at low doses, a stimulant effect at low doses but the higher you go the closer you get to the proper opiate effects, which I dont like, but you may be different but you wont trip!

Also I wouldnt extract from codeiene, very easy to overdose!

If u know there is 8mg per tablet how can you get the wrong dose too easily?

[dmt head]

I made a tea, tried 5g with leaf got a decent stimulating effect. tried 8, good effect then tried 14 and had that dodgy experience. Most people buy the leaves not capsules.

[picha]

I made a tea, tried 5g with leaf got a decent stimulating effect. tried 8, good effect then tried 14 and had that dodgy experience. Most people buy the leaves not capsules.

How is it easy to OD if you know there is 8mg in each tablet?

[dmt head]

How is it easy to OD if you know there is 8mg in each tablet?

Whats your problem? I explained what I did, I explained that I upped the dose with LEAF and you still go well eh how can you overdose with 8mg tablets, are you stupid or something? :rolleyes:

[picha]

Whats your problem? I explained what I did, I explained that I upped the dose with LEAF and you still go well eh how can you overdose with 8mg tablets, are you stupid or something? :rolleyes:

Im not talking about leaf you cock head - im talking about co-codamol thats got 8mg of codeine in it.
You seem like a bit of a prick to be honest.

[dmt head]

yes so do you, not just in this thread but practically every thread you post in. Are you tyler in disguise? posting the exact same thing twice makes you look pretty stupid, as I pointed out.

[picha]

yes so do you, not just in this thread but practically every thread you post in. Are you tyler in disguise? posting the exact same thing twice makes you look pretty stupid, as I pointed out.

Are you going to tell me how you can OD if u have 8mg in every tablet or are you just going to keep on being a prick?

[dmt head]

Fuck off your the fucking prick, id like to see you talk to me like that to my face

[beebee]

This thread reeks of low vibrations. Come on guys, where is the love?