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synergy777
10-10-2007, 04:45 PM
http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/terror/05-10-2007/98246-muslims_laden_allah_prophet%20-0

Muslims become cynical about false prophet Bin Laden and terrorism in the name of Allah

Opinion polls in Iraq and Afghanistan showed that more than 90 per cent of those populations have unfavorable views of al Qaeda and of Osama himself. Pakistan is also among the Muslim countries where al Qaeda has greatly lost its popularity — from above 75 per cent five years ago to 34 per cent now. Pravda.Ru has interviewed several major experts in the field of terrorism to explain this information.

Muslims become cynical about false prophet Bin Laden and terrorism in the name of Allah

“It is easy to explain why Iraqis dislike al Qaeda. First, most Iraqis are Shia, which the al Qaeda movement regard as heretics. Second, al Qaeda-affiliated groups are killing civilians in Iraq.

It is also easy to explain why so many Afghans have similarly unfavorable views of Islamicist radicals. Most Afghans hate the Taliban, which brutalized the country from 1995-2001 and continues to wreak havoc there. Afghans associate bin Laden and al Qaeda with the Taliban.

Pakistan is a more interesting case. Until recently, Osama bin Ladin and al Qaeda had made some in-roads in attracting support from moderate Muslims, according to a number of opinion polls. The U.S. invasion of Iraq no doubt caused some of this shift in moderate opinion, but I suspect that what we're seeing now is these same moderates beginning to realize that the al Qaeda movement is a dead-end. They're looking for an alternative. The challenge for the United States, Russia, and other countries with a stake in global security is to help identify that alternative,” says Andrew J. Grotto, Senior National Security Analyst at the Center for American Progress.

“I think al Qaeda has lost considerable popularity because its indiscriminate violence has provoked a backlash among Muslims, who have been its principal victims. Al Qaeda has murdered more Muslims than non-Muslims, more Afghans than Americans. Also more Iraqis than Americans,” says James Phillips, Research Fellow for Middle Eastern Affairs, Douglas and Sarah Allison Center for Foreign Policy Studies.

“There are a number of possible explanations. Let me highlight two. First, attacks attributed to al Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan have resulted primarily in the deaths of Muslims, not outsiders. So most citizens of these countries are beginning to recognize al Qaeda leaders as criminals, not saviors. Second, most Muslims do not agree with the repressive vision of Islam propagated by the likes of bin Laden. They do not want to go back to the 7th century. They want to remain faithful to Islam, but live in the 21st century,” believes Philip Crowley, Senior Fellow and Director of Homeland Security at the Center for American Progress

The drop in popular support is a reaction to the senseless slaughter that has now killed thousands of innocent Muslims. At first, al Qaeda was favored as a rebellion against the Western--and particularly American--occupation and dominance of Muslim nations. But al Qaeda attacks are increasingly focused on fellow Muslims. And al Qaeda has now become the chief justification for America continuing its war in Iraq. The reasonable and expected reaction by Muslims is to reject both al Qaeda and America. "A plague on both your houses," they say. Nor is there widespread support for the harsh Muslim law al Qaeda favors and has tried to impose in the little territory they occupy,” Joseph Cirincione, Senior Fellow and Director for Nuclear Policy at CAP.


Pravda.Ru: Do you think that Islamic radicals have become disappointed in terrorism as political means?

P.J. Crowley: Unfortunately, no. The number of incidents of terrorism around the world is on the rise. The real challenge is to reduce popular support for terrorism as a legitimate weapon. Look at Northern Ireland. Intercommunal tension remains, but in the late 1990s, the public made clear to the radicals on both sides that they had gone too far because their attacks killed innocents, not combatants. The war ended and now they are trying to resolve existing differences through a political process. In places like Iraq and Afghanistan, while occupiers are still perceived as legitimate targets, there is this recognition that the violence has not achieved anything. The people are looking for other options, which provide an opening for political solutio

James Phillips: Muslims who see al Qaeda's mass murders at close range are horrified and reject its totalitarian ideology. And those forced to live under the thumb of al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq quickly turned against its harsh punishments, arrogant self-righteousness, and intolerant treatment of other viewpoints. Although many Muslims initially welcomed al Qaeda as possible champion against the West, now see it as a threat to themselves.


Pravda.Ru: Is it possible that Muslim countries will cooperate with the West to eradicate al Qaeda?

Andrew J. Grotto: Muslim countries are already cooperating with the West to eradicate al Qaeda. Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and other countries are all working with the United States and the West. The real question is whether they could do more to help. I believe they could at the operational level, particularly Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. But one of the most important ways these countries could help is by instituting meaningful democratic reforms at home; this would greatly reduce al Qaeda's ability to attract supporters, as the undemocratic character of these regimes is one of their main rallying cries. I'm not holding my breath, however--these governments are not likely to make such reforms any time soon.

Joseph Cirincione: We can expect more cooperation with Muslim states against Al Qaeda, especially as the US withdraws from Iraq. This will be true of Shia governments, in particular, including Iran, but will also be true as Sunni governments. We see this happening already in Anbar Province in Iraq. Before the current surge in troops began Sunni tribal leaders concluded that Al Qaeda was their enemy, not their ally, in large part because of the harsh rule they tried to impose on the towns and cities they occupied.

P.J. Crowley: Ultimately, this must be resolved within Islam itself. Major powers like the United States and Russia cannot defeat all of the radicals militarily. Occupations tend to generate more terrorists and terrorism, and at an enormous cost. Muslims will decide eventually that bin Laden is a false prophet. Outside powers must first and foremost avoid giving al Qaeda any pretext to preach and recruit and expand. Al Qaeda is trying to convince moderate Muslims that there is a war between the West and the modern world and Islam. It is not true, but conflicts like Iraq and before it Chechnya give that message credibility. People and governments in the Islamic world will cooperate with the West if it promises to make their lives better. Take Afghanistan. Afghans opposed the Soviet occupation, but did not accept the Taliban's repression. They want the more tolerant and moderate Karzai government to succeed, but now it must make the life of the average Afghan measurably better. This is where the West must help -- reconstructing society, building effective institutions of government, generating economic opportunity and making the streets safer. If the Karzai government succeeds in doing those things, then al Qaeda will be further isolated. The same in Iraq. This is how you defeat extremism -- giving people a credible, tangeable and effective alternative.

James Phillips: I think most Islamic radicals continue to support terrorism because it is a useful tool for seizing power. But many Muslims have grown less romantic and more cynical about terrorism unleashed in the name of Allah.Many Muslim governments cooperate with the West against al-Qaeda because they realize that al-Qaeda is ultimately more of a threat to them than it is to the U.S.

Prepared by Alexander Timoshik
Pravda.ru

synergy777
11-10-2007, 01:43 PM
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKL1162787420071011

Muslim scholars call for peace with Christians

LONDON (Reuters) - More than 130 Muslim scholars called on Thursday for peace and understanding between Islam and Christianity, saying "the very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake".

In a letter to Pope Benedict and other Christian leaders, Muslim scholars from around the world said finding common ground between the world's biggest religions was not simply a matter for polite dialogue between religious leaders.

"If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace. With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants," the scholars wrote.

"Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake," they wrote.

Relations between Muslims and Christians have been under strain as al Qaeda has struck around the world and the United States and other Western countries have intervened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Using quotations from the Bible and the Koran to support their message, the scholars told people who relished conflict and destruction that "our very eternal souls are ... at stake if we fail to sincerely make every effort to make peace and come together in harmony".

"So let our differences not cause hatred and strife between us. Let us vie with each other only in righteousness and good works.

"Let us respect each other, be fair, just and kind to (one) another and live in sincere peace, harmony and mutual goodwill," the scholars wrote.

The letter was signed by Muslim scholars from around the world, including Algerian Religious Affairs Minister Bouabdellah Ghlamallah and the Grand Mufti of Egypt Ali

It was addressed to the Pope and to other Christian leaders, including the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual head of the Anglican Church.

Pope Benedict caused widespread anger among Muslims last year by suggesting Islam was violent, quoting a 14th century Byzantine emperor who spoke of the Prophet Mohammad's "command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".

The leader of more than one billion Roman Catholics repeatedly expressed regret for the reaction to the speech, but stopped short of the unequivocal apology wanted by Muslims.

" wheras the vatican, peacefully executed genocide on the americas, africa and australia "

tiswas
11-10-2007, 02:11 PM
Osama bin Laden is a Saudi richkid, who has poisoned the atmosphere of Pakistan and Afganistan. He is a tool of the CIA.

synergy777
11-10-2007, 02:59 PM
i agree. would a billionaire hate the west, the supplier of his wealth. i bet he hates the bentleys, the women, the hotels, really hates them, lol

synergy777
12-10-2007, 01:07 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/12/nmuslim112.xml

Muslim leaders call for peace in open letter
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
Last Updated: 7:07pm BST 11/10/2007

The survival of the world is at risk if Muslims and Christians cannot make peace, more than 130 senior Muslim leaders warned the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury yesterday.


Muslims are currently marking their holiest month, Ramadan
The warning came in an unprecedented open letter to Church leaders signed by some of Islam’s most influential scholars, including the Grand Muftis of Egypt and Syria

“If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace,” it said.

“With the terrible weaponry of the modern world, with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world’s inhabitants.”

The letter, which was hailed as a hugely significant initiative at a time of growing tensions, urged religious leaders to acknowledge the essential similarities between their faiths

Using quotations from the Bible and the Koran to bolster their message, the scholars warned that “our very eternal souls are ... at stake if we fail to sincerely make every effort to make peace and come together in harmony.”

The letter said that belief in one God and loving one’s neighbours were shared principles between the two religions.

Welcoming the initiative yesterday, Christian leaders said that the joint statement from so many prominent, moderate Muslim scholars could change the atmosphere, making it more difficult for terrorism and extremism to flourish.

The Bishop of London, the Rt Rev Richard Chartres, said that he expected a significant response from the Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and other Church leaders.

Dr Williams said that the letter was “particularly important in underlining the need for respect towards minorities in contexts where either Islam or Christianity is the majority presence.”

But critics cautioned that it could blur the significant theological differences that exist between Islam and Christianity. Significantly, the letter was issued on the anniversary of a statement by 38 Muslim clerics last year, criticising Pope Benedict XVI’s controversial speech on Islam.

The Pope provoked widespread anger by quoting a 14th-century Christian emperor who spoke of the Prophet Mohammad’s “command to spread by the sword the faith he preached”.

Though he has since expressed regret at the reaction to the speech, and insisted that he was misunderstood, he has stopped short of the unequivocal apology wanted by many Muslims.

The 138 signatories to the new letter, which was drafted by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought in Jordan, included Muslim leaders, politicians and academics representing every sect of Islam.

Among them were the Grand Muftis of Bosnia and Hercegovina, Russia, Croatia and Kosovo, the Secretary-General of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference and the founder of the Ulema Organisation in Iraq.

synergy777
12-10-2007, 07:03 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=155329#post155329

the occult background of islamic/masonic terrorism, controlled oppostion, the many heads of the dragon/beast of revelations

raffles
12-10-2007, 07:23 PM
Is bin laden even alive ??

synergy777
12-10-2007, 07:32 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6259&highlight=laden+dead+nemesis

bin laden dead nemesis

resistance
12-10-2007, 09:55 PM
This is good news, but wait for the imminent so called terrorist attacks tu put their war on terror back on track, possible dirty nuke strikes? this is the most likely scenario, when? very soon by the looks of things.

synergy777
12-10-2007, 10:00 PM
the elites moves have to get bigger in order to stop the increasing resistence and awareness.

peachped
12-10-2007, 10:19 PM
This is good news, but wait for the imminent so called terrorist attacks tu put their war on terror back on track, possible dirty nuke strikes? this is the most likely scenario, when? very soon by the looks of things.

It would be even better news if they were to become cynical about Islam itself and the paedo prophet.

resistance
12-10-2007, 10:31 PM
the elites moves have to get bigger in order to stop the increasing resistence and awareness.

Thats right and their greatest fear is unity and they will stop at nothing tu create as much confusion as possible tu push their agenda forward.

synergy777
12-10-2007, 10:32 PM
thats one thing i would like to know if its true or not. for instance the same people, whos say he married, a 9 year old, are the same people thats say islam is vatican created religion, that god is divided into 3, jesus was born in a stable, virgin birth etc. all rubbish.

synergy777
12-10-2007, 10:33 PM
as i just read, nazi goebbels/minister of propaganda, stated the biggest enemy of the state is truth, lol

synergy777
12-10-2007, 10:36 PM
it was Goebbels actually who said one of those quotes

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”



thanks to eat a grey.