Romantic Predators

[neutron flux]

My psychopathic sweetheart
He may seem the ideal mate, but the romantic predator's narcissism eventually surfaces
SARAH HAMPSON

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

October 4, 2007 at 9:12 AM EDT

The courtship is always a whirlwind. He is handsome, charming, confident. His love letters are filled with longing. The flattery flows. You are smart. You are beautiful. You are his ideal love.

Master of the grand gesture, he whisks you off on romantic weekends. Mid-Atlantic, he pulls out a little present for you, just as the stewardess fills your glasses with wine.

You have no idea that he is a psychopath: deeply narcissistic, devoid of real feeling, a romantic predator. Why would you? He is your dream man.

He could be a she. The disorder has been studied more in men, but psychiatrists believe female psychopaths are just as prevalent, says Dr. Robert Hare, author of Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us, and other books. A retired psychology professor in British Columbia, he is considered a world expert on the condition. He has studied the psychopath who lives next door, who sleeps in your bed, who works in the cubicle next to yours.

Society only points to the extreme cases of psychopathic behaviour, the violently criminal ones, the Paul Bernardos, the Charles Mansons, the fictional Hannibal Lecters.

But there is a garden variety. In her 2005 book, The Sociopath Next Door, Dr. Martha Stout writes that this "non-correctable disfigurement of character" is now "thought to be present in about 4 per cent of the population - that is to say, one in 25 people."

By comparison, the much-publicized disorder of anorexia, considered a significant societal problem, is estimated at 3.43 per cent.

The psychopath is unaware of his condition, of course.

He is not a criminal. He is charismatic, loquacious, intelligent. He thinks he is wonderful.

Your friends are charmed, too. What a sensitive soul, they say. How intuitive. How ambitious. He possesses all the characteristics most admired in people.

You are swept off your feet. "We are not the norm," he might say. You two are the special kind of people, he murmurs. He proposes marriage. Perhaps he drops to one knee on a beach in Bermuda, a diamond ring in his pocket, as if just a pebble. It's like a scene from a movie.

And yes, sure, maybe you hear a little warning voice in your head - that this guy is too much, that he is too smooth - but you ignore it, because, well, you are likely quite young. You are lacking in self-esteem, uncertain, just out of a relationship perhaps, or newly arrived in an unfamiliar city, or you are a single mother.

You are vulnerable in some way, and somewhere deep down you feel you do deserve this, you are special. He is in command, like a real man, you figure. He knows what he wants. He will make your life wonderful. Which is sexy. No one has ever loved you like this before. It's like a drug.

You carry the intoxication around like a secret. It sustains you. Truth be told, you feel a little sorry for other people who don't get to experience this level of passion.

After all, you think, this is how romance should be - overwhelming, undeniable, big.

It's only later, when in a marriage or in the daily routine of a relationship, that you notice things aren't quite right. He blames others for problems he encounters. He spends a lot of money, even when the family is struggling financially.

Perhaps he is in and out of jobs. If he runs into trouble at work, over questions about what he claims as expenses, for example, he blames the accountant. If his contract is not renewed for not doing a job he was employed to do, he suggests the guy who hired him was confused about what he said his skills were. The boss was stupid, he suggests.

He plays people and the system, and never takes responsibility for his actions. He lies. He is highly manipulative and prone to bursts of anger.

You also discover how critical he is of you. The torrent of verbal abuse is as fluid as the flattery once was.

You begin to believe that something is wrong with you. You think if I am just thinner, or if I dress better, he will love me again. Maybe you draw in your journal a picture of yourself with a big hole in your middle. You feel utterly alone.

You read mountains of self-help books, about anger, about love, fear, about making your marriage work. You feel confused. Why did he say that? Why did he do that? What have I done to make him so angry?

If you mention your distress to friends, and the fact that you're considering a divorce, they all say: "Oh, if you leave him, he'll be snapped up in a minute. He's such a great guy." To them, he is, of course. The shrinks call this "impression management."

What you must do is read Hervey Cleckley's book The Mask of Sanity, written in 1955 and still considered the seminal text on the syndrome. It will all start to make sense. You will be shocked. You consider yourself intelligent, and yet you missed this. Your partner was a textbook psychopath, and you didn't see it. You thought he was the love of your life.

Dr. Hare disagrees with Dr. Stout about 4 per cent of the population having this syndrome. Using PCL-R (or Psychopathy Check List, Revised), a precise measurement of the cluster of behaviours that together allow for a medical diagnosis of a psychopathic personality, he says the prevalence is more like 1 per cent of the general population.

"Whether one is a psychopath or not depends on how many of these characteristics one displays," he explains. But he admits: "A person may not have to have all of them to be a real problem in a relationship."

The psychopath is a parasite, looking to get something from you - sex, money, stability or status, Dr. Hare says. "People have weak spots, vulnerabilities, and buttons that can be pressed, and these psychopaths are looking for the buttons to press."

Here's the good part, though. It may be difficult to ditch him (he will turn on the charm again when he senses you might leave; he will do what he can to manipulate you into staying), but when you stand up to this emotional bully and get free, you can be assured of one thing. He will quickly move on. He will replace you. He won't think about you and he will become someone else's problem.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071004.wlgenex4/BNStory/lifeFamily/home


Ladies, have you ever dated a guy like this?

[whitenight639]

there are women like that too

[neutron flux]

there are women like that too

True, I asked the ladies because it seems to be more prevalent in males than females. In females it tends to manifest slightly differently, I'm sure you've heard of the "Black Widow" types.

[28th kingdom]

Hahaha... sounds like Sarah is writing from experience... I love how she accuses the guy of blaming others... when this whole rant is about blaming the guy for her problems... everyone is so self-involved... get over yerself Sarah... if you weren't so boring, than maybe he wouldn't have dumped you. I know that wasn't the case, though... because you were a perfect little angel in every way... and that's why it was all his fault the relationship ended. PUKE!

[whitenight639]

Hahaha... sounds like Sarah is writing from experience... I love how she accuses the guy of blaming others... when this whole rant is about blaming the guy for her problems... everyone is so self-involved... get over yerself Sarah... if you weren't so boring, than maybe he wouldn't have dumped you. I know that wasn't the case, though... because you were a perfect little angel in every way... and that's why it was all his fault the relationship ended. PUKE!

lmao, i havnt actually read the post above, i posted because as always theres always 2 sides of the coin, you cnat genralise like that.

[synergy777]

chicks are much more psycho, a blokes view is well theres plenty more fish in the sea, lucky escape, blessing in disguise etc, lol

but chicks, bunny boilers, guilt trippers, "hell hath no fury as a woman scorned", lol then they do the weird phones call, come and talk to me, etc or i will hurt/top myself, like 4am in the morning, or maybe i just get with psycho chicks, lol. or when they see you talk to another girl and give you evils all night.

a bloke who goes all wierdo over a chick, ain't a bloke anyway. like mike skinner said, "don't mug yourself mate".

[whitenight639]

chicks are much more psycho, a blokes view is well theres plenty more fish in the sea, lucky escape, blessing in disguise etc, lol

but chicks, bunny boilers, guilt trippers, "hell hath no fury as a woman scorned", lol then they do the weird phones call, come and talk to me, etc or i will hurt/top myself, like 4am in the morning, or maybe i just get with psycho chicks, lol. or when they see you talk to another girl and give you evils all night.

a bloke who goes all wierdo over a chick, ain't a bloke anyway. like mike skinner said, "don't mug yourself mate".

or like 50 said: jealousies for women, but some n****s are bitch man

[lydia78]

chicks are much more psycho, a blokes view is well theres plenty more fish in the sea, lucky escape, blessing in disguise etc, lol

but chicks, bunny boilers, guilt trippers, "hell hath no fury as a woman scorned", lol then they do the weird phones call, come and talk to me, etc or i will hurt/top myself, like 4am in the morning, or maybe i just get with psycho chicks, lol. or when they see you talk to another girl and give you evils all night.

a bloke who goes all wierdo over a chick, ain't a bloke anyway. like mike skinner said, "don't mug yourself mate".

SYN!! I shocked!!:eek:lol
and what does the bottom bit mean exactly??
weird as in being in Love or being obssessed?

[whitenight639]

weird as in being in Love or being obssessed?

whats the difference really? lol

[lydia78]

whats the difference really? lol

obssession is manic and unbalanced
Love just is

[whitenight639]

obssession is manic and unbalanced
Love just is


so love isnt ever manic and unbalanced?
im just playing devils advocate ;) :)

[neutron flux]

chicks are much more psycho, a blokes view is well theres plenty more fish in the sea, lucky escape, blessing in disguise etc, lol

but chicks, bunny boilers, guilt trippers, "hell hath no fury as a woman scorned", lol then they do the weird phones call, come and talk to me, etc or i will hurt/top myself, like 4am in the morning, or maybe i just get with psycho chicks, lol. or when they see you talk to another girl and give you evils all night.

a bloke who goes all wierdo over a chick, ain't a bloke anyway. like mike skinner said, "don't mug yourself mate".

Of course there are psycho women (less than men though), but from what you describe it just sounds like insecure women ponerized by society than full blown psychopaths.

The article is about men being psychopathic.

Do the girls you go with tick most of the boxes on this list?

1. Glibness/superficial charm.
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth.
3. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4. Pathological lying
5. Conning/manipulative
6. Lack of remorse or guilt
7. Shallow affect
8. Callous/lack of empathy
9. Parasitic lifestyle
10. Poor behavioral controls
11. Promiscuous sexual behavior
12. Early behavior problems
13. Lack of realistic, long-term plans
14. Impulsivity
15. Irresponsibility
16. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
17. Many short-term marital relationships
18. Juvenile delinquency
19. Revocation of conditional release
20. Criminal versatility

[synergy777]

its not all women, its group. some women are like this, some women are cool, you can conenct/grow with. just as blokes are gits/bad as you chicks say, so are some chicks, not all chicks are perfect/good etc.

i am just sticking up for the blokes. many men will happily say this is true to get in with chicks and appear all fake and senstive metro crap.

see if another chick steals your boyfriend etc, is thats chick cool and your boyfriend bad? you women have to be objective aswell. there are good and bad in every gender, as its human nature.

the mike skinner/streets means don't rob yourself, don't mash yourself up over a girl. eg rob yourself of your self respect, lucid judgement etc. this should also apply to women aswell, don't rob yourself of your self respect/esteem/value over a bad bloke.

some women are bitches some men are bitches, although bitch should be changed as dogs are cool, and its unfair on them, lol.

also considering i go for attitude/self confident/bitchy women, well its self made this trouble, i shouldn't do it.

[lydia78]

so love isnt ever manic and unbalanced?
im just playing devils advocate ;) :)

I guess that depends on individual perception
what love is one one person, is something else for another
for me love flows, I love my partner but I do not want to own him
we have no desire to put constraints on each other because
we respect and trust our bond.

obsession is the overdrive, bi-polar, possession and ownership
hence why syn said about the girl evil eyeing him for talking to another
it's ownership, insecurity... it's not true love.
that's my 2p's worth.lol

[28th kingdom]

Does love exist... nay - can love exist in an intimate relationship? No. Love is about equality... and, there is no equality in sexual relationships... that's just a fact people... don't question my authority. Rawr!

Love thy neighbors... lust thy boyfriends & girlfriends.

[whitenight639]

what love is one one person, is something else for another


damm right and it causes alot of pain on earth, if every couple felt the same intense, indescribable love for each other there would be less insecurities and rows/ broken hearts!

does that make any sence?

[gorgeousbutterfly]

it seems if it happens with women its more obvious and in your face, while with a guy its more subtle. i don't know how its more famous in men then women because of this?

[lydia78]

damm right and it causes alot of pain on earth, if every couple felt the same intense, indescribable love for each other there would be less insecurities and rows/ broken hearts!

does that make any sence?

Yes it does, and this is why it is so important to love yourself
before trying to love another.
Most people don't even like themselves nevermind love!
so how can they reflect true love if they have not felt it for themselves?

[lydia78]

it seems if it happens with women its more obvious and in your face, while with a guy its more subtle. i don't know how its more famous in men then women because of this?

It's more a mentality, a state of mind rather than it being solely down to genetics, sex etc..it is learnt behaviour.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

It's more a mentality, a state of mind rather than it being solely down to genetics, sex etc..it is learnt behaviour.

indeed it is.

[whitenight639]

Yes it does, and this is why it is so important to love yourself
before trying to love another.
Most people don't even like themselves nevermind love!
so how can they reflect true love if they have not felt it for themselves?

hmmm.. your making my brain hurt.
i think love between 2 people is independent of there egos, eg between there awareness/ consciousness and not between there egos so i dont agree with having to love yourself first, you can be a very shy/ unconfident person and hate how you look etc but still love someone intensely, however it wouldnt make for a happy relationship.

now.. does that make any sence??

[28th kingdom]

Of course there are psycho women (less than men though), but from what you describe it just sounds like insecure women ponerized by society than full blown psychopaths.

The article is about men being psychopathic.

Do the girls you go with tick most of the boxes on this list?

1. Glibness/superficial charm.
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth.
3. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4. Pathological lying
5. Conning/manipulative
6. Lack of remorse or guilt
7. Shallow affect
8. Callous/lack of empathy
9. Parasitic lifestyle
10. Poor behavioral controls
11. Promiscuous sexual behavior
12. Early behavior problems
13. Lack of realistic, long-term plans
14. Impulsivity
15. Irresponsibility
16. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
17. Many short-term marital relationships
18. Juvenile delinquency
19. Revocation of conditional release
20. Criminal versatility

I'm gonna take it yer a girl? Okay... so tell me what you want? No... go ahead... really - try... please... just make the effort to express exactly what you want? Do you even know?

"What do women want? EVERYTHING!"

"Men, you cannot beat a woman in an argument. It's IMPOSSIBLE! Cus men, we are handicap when it comes to arguing... because we have a need to make sense. Women ain't gonna let a little thing like sense, fvck up their argument."

"You can't make a woman happy. I've never met a happy woman in my life. Women are always complaining about something. Shit, women like to complain... women save up shit to complain about."

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[whitenight639]

lol love chris rock!!!!!!:D

[lydia78]

hmmm.. your making my brain hurt.
i think love between 2 people is independent of there egos, eg between there awareness/ consciousness and not between there egos so i dont agree with having to love yourself first, you can be a very shy/ unconfident person and hate how you look etc but still love someone intensely, however it wouldnt make for a happy relationship.

now.. does that make any sence??

LOL,
Yes I get what your saying
but like i said,interpretation depends on the individual's perception of Love
this is mine right now...yours is your own, neither right or wrong
but part of the process in learning about what love really is. :)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

When I read the original post I was recalling that song by: Black Flag?. "I'm a Liar'. Anybody know what 'Tune' I'm yammerin' about?

Lydia78 'Nailed It', due to the Brain Washing and Deception of Society, Humans in the Techno-Cratic Societies are a 'Mess'.

Break on through to the 'OtherSide' THX1138. 'Drug' Evasion!

Dare to be more than the 'Sum of your Possessions!'.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[synergy777]

chris rock, a legend, he speaks sense.

[resistance]

chicks are much more psycho, a blokes view is well theres plenty more fish in the sea, lucky escape, blessing in disguise etc, lol

but chicks, bunny boilers, guilt trippers, "hell hath no fury as a woman scorned", lol then they do the weird phones call, come and talk to me, etc or i will hurt/top myself, like 4am in the morning, or maybe i just get with psycho chicks, lol. or when they see you talk to another girl and give you evils all night.

a bloke who goes all wierdo over a chick, ain't a bloke anyway. like mike skinner said, "don't mug yourself mate".

Yes totally, most control freaks that i know are women, look at most relationships today in the west and its women that rule, I am not being sexist either, its just how it is. Some of my friends are terribly hen pecked from their wifes:eek: f--k that shit, it is a good thing for a man tu think for himself. I believe that women are being used tu control men and this one thing alone is more than worthy of discussion, and as i said thats not being a sexist its being a realist.

[whitenight639]

Yes totally, most control freaks that i know are women, look at most relationships today in the west and its women that rule, I am not being sexist either, its just how it is. Some of my friends are terribly hen pecked from their wifes:eek: f--k that shit, it is a good thing for a man tu think for himself. I believe that women are being used tu control men and this one thing alone is more than worthy of discussion, and as i said thats not being a sexist its being a realist.

I think you've got it! if you look most of the adverts on tv are directed at women and the soaps and pop songs seem to tell women they can tell there man what to do.

[lydia78]

So much for oneness..going back to the divide rule again.

[resistance]

So much for oneness..going back to the divide rule again.

On the contrary its the imbalance of the sexes thats being used tu create illusion and divide, think about it, i'm not hear tu create arguments but the truth often does.

[neutron flux]

I'm gonna take it yer a girl? Okay... so tell me what you want? No... go ahead... really - try... please... just make the effort to express exactly what you want? Do you even know?


No, I'm a bloke. I posted the article because 1 in 25 men are psychopathic according to studies, and while it's easy to see the psychopaths in the corporate and political circles, the sociopath next door can be overlooked. And while the article is geared towards predatory men, it highlights some characteristics which are present in both male and female psychopaths.

Most humans don't know what they want, they just run on autopilot most of the time, it's not just women.

And yes, Chris Rock is funny.

Yes totally, most control freaks that i know are women, look at most relationships today in the west and its women that rule, I am not being sexist either, its just how it is. Some of my friends are terribly hen pecked from their wifes f--k that shit, it is a good thing for a man tu think for himself. I believe that women are being used tu control men and this one thing alone is more than worthy of discussion, and as i said thats not being a sexist its being a realist.

That's because men are taught to supplicate.

I think you've got it! if you look most of the adverts on tv are directed at women and the soaps and pop songs seem to tell women they can tell there man what to do.

And what do you think talentless rappers like 50 pence are telling geezers to do, ya get me?

[2013]

social engineering divide and conquer works all the time :D
i just wrote loads in reply but server failed arghh lol
basically i was saying i saw a lot of my younger self in that , in that i was always doing the falling in love thing until i recognised it and realised that in love meant we felt outside of love and had to be in it when we are in fact love .We need to connect to someone else to supply our needs and thats what all the romantic hype of valentines day is about wich annoys me
how people are manipulted to feel less if they dont conform to this or that norm :D
excellent thread some good debate going on .

[2013]

refering back to the article i wondered if it was american but see it was ina canadian newspaper but again we see people having no idea of who they are or are supposed to be and having to rely on the media telling them .Woman have been seperated fromm who they are by being encouraged to compete in the work enviroment , (see ww2 and beyond ) which is fine but at the same time the family has been broken up absentee fathers welfare state that encourages seperate households by paying more to single people than couples woman wanting equality have in some cases adopted the worst excesses of men and its not attractive we can be who we want and still be masculine and feminine society has done the same to men also .Women encouraged to feed babys powdered formula instead of naturally breast feeding .Its all part and parcel of the same thing disconnecting us from who we are .We need to find a balance within oursleves first and foremost ,working together not against each other .all this article and others like it do is foster dissent between the sexes and further the agenda .Know thyself seems a very good motto to me at the moment :D

[resistance]

I think you've got it! if you look most of the adverts on tv are directed at women and the soaps and pop songs seem to tell women they can tell there man what to do.

Yu know, and this message is being drummed into women and girls everywhere, and i know why!

[synergy777]

equality means 50/50. swapping male control for female control solves what, its not equal is it. its switching of gender roles, the ladette culture and the metro male.

it should be 50/50, equality mutual support, unity and liberty. its a partnership not power struggle. thats why so many relationships fail are shallow and collapse at the first sign of trouble. they are built on shaky foundations.

[resistance]

equality means 50/50. swapping male control for female control solves what, its not equal is it. its switching of gender roles, the ladette culture and the metro male.

it should be 50/50, equality mutual support, unity and liberty. its a partnership not power struggle. thats why so many relationships fail are shallow and collapse at the first sign of trouble. they are built on shaky foundations.

I agree, 50/50 is good and thats how things are in my life, but thats not how things are in society is it, and clearly there is a hidden agenda that is causing imbalances and confusion.

[synergy777]

its called social engineering, the stats prove it.

[tinmenace]

Ladies, have you ever dated a guy like this?

No, thank goodness.


http://www.globalfailure.com/images/whew.jpg

[melbo]

I've never dated a guy like that. I'm suspicious of grand romantic gestures (and I've only dated men without much money!)

To me romance is in the little things, like bringing cups of tea, or a kiss on the back of the neck for no reason.

[whitenight639]

And what do you think talentless rappers like 50 pence are telling geezers to do, ya get me?

yer i understand, but the likes of lilly allen and that other copy cat (cant remember her name) are more mainstream i cant listen to the radio for any lenght of time because it irritates me, and so do some of the lyrics in rap music about women, but i love rap music because of its fuck the government kinda content.

[spacegurl]

Come on why do you think women love Dracula? Why do women send letters to serial killers? Why do women fantasise about their dream hunks being pirates, barbarians, gangsters, highwaymen, monsters and also sometimes soldiers on the dark side? It's an animal thing. Females from most species are drawn to the biggest and most aggressive males of the tribe.

[whitenight639]

Come on why do you think women love Dracula? Why do women send letters to serial killers? Why do women fantasise about their dream hunks being pirates, barbarians, gangsters, highwaymen, monsters and also sometimes soldiers on the dark side? It's an animal thing. Females from most species are drawn to the biggest and most aggressive males of the tribe.

haha been saying this for ages!

[neutron flux]

Come on why do you think women love Dracula?

Dracula is not real.

Why do women send letters to serial killers?

Because they're stupid?

Why do women fantasise about their dream hunks being pirates, barbarians, gangsters, highwaymen, monsters and also sometimes soldiers on the dark side? It's an animal thing.

You fantasize about monsters?

Females from most species are drawn to the biggest and most aggressive males of the tribe.

Usually to their detriment.


but i love rap music because of its fuck the government kinda content.

You won't get much of that listening to wack rappers as 50 and the Gorilla unit. If you don't already know there are many conscious rappers such as the usual suspects: Immortal tech or british rappers as phi life cypher, braintax, M-9, taskforce, jehst etc

[lydia78]

Come on why do you think women love Dracula? Why do women send letters to serial killers? Why do women fantasise about their dream hunks being pirates, barbarians, gangsters, highwaymen, monsters and also sometimes soldiers on the dark side? It's an animal thing. Females from most species are drawn to the biggest and most aggressive males of the tribe.

Might be true for some, but you're generalising
...or maybe even exposing what you find attractive in a man..lol!(joke)
Thing is, most women who are attracted to the above
probably don't believe there are 'good guys' out there, or if they do they can't relate to them because they've been conditioned to reject any form of sensitivity in men, or even love itself.
This could be down to enviromental factors in their childhood
abuse, emotional, mental, physical, spiritual etc
or even more probable, the worldwide conditioning of women to accept the alpha/hegemonic male as the prototype of a mate..survival of the fittest
which seems to equate wih aggression and dominance as the norm.
I mean look how sensitive men are perceived here..not real men hey?
Well what are they then???
The metro man is was socially constructed from the fashion industry anyway imo, nothing to do with 'getting in touch with the 'real' feminine side but more to do with appearences and how much time they spend in front of a mirror.
Anyway psychopathy encompasses both sexes for sure, how it is created can range into 'ad infinitum'..they have a machiavellian theory of mind but lack empathy..as a result they're manipulative streak shouldn't be too hard pick up on.
Hence why friendship is an important factor in the relationship foundation
you wanna rush into a relationship on the basis of Lust then there probably will be consequences as a result.

[whitenight639]

You won't get much of that listening to wack rappers as 50 and the Gorilla unit. If you don't already know there are many conscious rappers such as the usual suspects: Immortal tech or british rappers as phi life cypher, braintax, M-9, taskforce, jehst etc

yes i am aware of these great musicians/ lyricist, because iv got lloyd banks as an avatar you assume i dont know of any good rappers?

[synergy777]

lydia was spot on in the last post, i would quote it, but you know me with my copy and paste, lol

[neutron flux]

yes i am aware of these great musicians/ lyricist, because iv got lloyd banks as an avatar you assume i dont know of any good rappers?


I thought you probably do, which is kind of puzzling, what with the avatar.

Might be true for some, but you're generalising
...or maybe even exposing what you find attractive in a man..lol!(joke)
Thing is, most women who are attracted to the above
probably don't believe there are 'good guys' out there, or if they do they can't relate to them because they've been conditioned to reject any form of sensitivity in men, or even love itself.
This could be down to enviromental factors in their childhood
abuse, emotional, mental, physical, spiritual etc
or even more probable, the worldwide conditioning of women to accept the alpha/hegemonic male as the prototype of a mate..survival of the fittest
which seems to equate wih aggression and dominance as the norm.
I mean look how sensitive men are perceived here..not real men hey?
Well what are they then???
The metro man is was socially constructed from the fashion industry anyway imo, nothing to do with 'getting in touch with the 'real' feminine side but more to do with appearences and how much time they spend in front of a mirror.
Anyway psychopathy encompasses both sexes for sure, how it is created can range into 'ad infinitum'..they have a machiavellian theory of mind but lack empathy..as a result they manipulative streak shouldn't be too hard pick up on.
Hence why friendship is an important factor in the relationship foundation
you wanna rush into a relationship on the basis of Lust then there probably will be consequences as a result.

Yes, I totally agree. :)

[spacegurl]

Oh dear FFS people are argueing already LOL

Dracula is not real.

He was. Vlad the Impaler :) But women love the idea of Dracula, which is what I was referring to.

Because they're stupid?

Possibly

You fantasize about monsters?

We all do at some stage.

Usually to their detriment.

Do you have anything to back it up or are you talking from a personal point of view?

You won't get much of that listening to wack rappers as 50 and the Gorilla unit.

Who says I listen to rap. I've never even heard of these bands.

If you don't already know there are many conscious rappers such as the usual suspects: Immortal tech or british rappers as phi life cypher, braintax, M-9, taskforce, jehst etc

That piece of info means nothing to me.

[spacegurl]

Might be true for some, but you're generalising
...or maybe even exposing what you find attractive in a man..lol!(joke)
Thing is, most women who are attracted to the above
probably don't believe there are 'good guys' out there, or if they do they can't relate to them because they've been conditioned to reject any form of sensitivity in men, or even love itself.
This could be down to enviromental factors in their childhood
abuse, emotional, mental, physical, spiritual etc
or even more probable, the worldwide conditioning of women to accept the alpha/hegemonic male as the prototype of a mate..survival of the fittest
which seems to equate wih aggression and dominance as the norm.
I mean look how sensitive men are perceived here..not real men hey?
Well what are they then???
The metro man is was socially constructed from the fashion industry anyway imo, nothing to do with 'getting in touch with the 'real' feminine side but more to do with appearences and how much time they spend in front of a mirror.
Anyway psychopathy encompasses both sexes for sure, how it is created can range into 'ad infinitum'..they have a machiavellian theory of mind but lack empathy..as a result they're manipulative streak shouldn't be too hard pick up on.
Hence why friendship is an important factor in the relationship foundation
you wanna rush into a relationship on the basis of Lust then there probably will be consequences as a result.

I wasn't generalising but stating a fact. This is what goes on in most cases with most species and it always was the case in human societies until feminism and the appearance and acceptablity of erzats independant "girl power".
"Sensitive" men is an artificial product of Western society today. I really can't stand them. It's all about effeminising men and masculising women. Women think it's good that they're bread winners while their husbands stay indoors bringing up baby and baking cakes. It is a form of social degeneracy as well as sheep-like mentality to copy stupid trends.
There is no "conditioning" of women liking more aggressive males. It's a preference. How can females in other animal groups be considered "conditioned" when they also are drawn to the aggressive male type?
You probably missed my point. I've no idea why you're blabbing on about friendship, metro men and shit like that.

[synergy777]

Political hip hop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Conscious hip hop is a subgenre of alternative hip hop which focuses on social issues. It differs from political hip hop in that it is not necessarily overtly political, but still focuses on social issues and conflicts. The main themes of conscious hip hop include religion, aversion to violence and the economy. Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" was the first political and conscious hip hop track, decrying the poverty, violence, and dead-end lives of the black youth of the time.

The audience for conscious rap is largely underground.[1] Most conscious hip hop artists have not attained the same level of commercial success as mainstream hip-hop [2], though some notable exceptions to this are Common, Kanye West, Nas, and Lauryn Hill.

hip hop started this way, public enemy etc.

theres a reason why rap gets more exposure than hip hop!

ask yourself, does the best rock, etc get the airplay or the commercial rock stuff ?

[neutron flux]

Do you have anything to back it up or are you talking from a personal point of view?


You really think that going with an aggressive male with possible pathological problems won't lead to any detrimental effects?

Who says I listen to rap. I've never even heard of these bands.


This was aimed at whitenight639, not you, as it was under a quote of his.

That piece of info means nothing to me.

Precisely, as it was not aimed at you.

[spacegurl]

You really think that going with an agressive male with possible pathological problems won't lead to any detrimental effects?

No no no no! :eek: Men who are aggressive and macho aren't psychologically insane. I didn't say men with mental problems are the prime object of fantasy for all women. The idea of the aggressive and bad boy man is for most women attractive. In fantasy land these men often look handsome and are romantic. Also I did mention the fact that many other women DO write to -and fantasise- of serial killers.


This was aimed at whitenight639, not you, as it was under a quote of his.



Precisely, as it was not aimed at you.

You quoted from me earlier so I replied.

[lydia78]

I wasn't generalising but stating a fact. This is what goes on in most cases with most species and it always was the case in human societies until feminism and the appearance and acceptablity of erzats independant "girl power".
"Sensitive" men is an artificial product of Western society today. I really can't stand them. It's all about effeminising men and masculising women. Women think it's good that they're bread winners while their husbands stay indoors bringing up baby and baking cakes. It is a form of social degeneracy as well as sheep-like mentality to copy stupid trends.
There is no "conditioning" of women liking more aggressive males. It's a preference. How can females in other animal groups be considered "conditioned" when they also are drawn to the aggressive male type?
You probably missed my point. I've no idea why you're blabbing on about friendship, metro men and shit like that.

Well looking at your style of communication I do find it hard to follow what your saying, so if I have mis-read you then maybe you can clarify?
You are generalising..you cannot include a worldwide sample of the female population who would agree with your statements, that's a fact.
Not every female wants a hegmonic male or penpal a serial killer..this is learnt behaviour that accounts for a minority of the female population.
Why do you think feminism and the sufferage happened?
Maybe you could cast your mind back to the era and the supression of women's rights to understand the concept that women wanted equality and to be seen as more than a servant to the husband...independence is a good thing, dependence on the man is not, for it is a breeding ground for control, manipulation, abuse of power etc etc, self reliance is the way to go....so what's your problem with women wanting equality...why shouldn't men stay at home with the kids? Are you so conditoned into the social constructs of gender roles that you cannot see the wood for the trees?
Also sensitivity is not assigned to any sex/gender, it is called a HUMAN trait
it is the manipulation of the gender roles that has supressed men from exhibiting their sensitivity and women from displaying their masculine attributes.
Personally I perceive men and women as intrinsically androgynous, that is both have male/female energy which should be in harmony but has instead been manipulated and divided by design to keep everyone in their boxes and easily controlled.
so take it or leave it, it is only my observation not the law set in stone.
Also in your end comment about metro etc, if you actually read the thread and posts in the proper context you could avoid your confusion to the topic at hand

[synergy777]

it is the manipulation of the gender roles that has supressed men from exhibiting their sensitivity and women from displaying their masculine attributes.
Personally I perceive men and women as intrinsically androgynous, that is both have male/female energy which should be in harmony but has instead been manipulated and divided by design to keep everyone in their boxes and easily controlled.


lydia, exactly, this is why things are so messed up.

[neutron flux]

No no no no! Men who are aggressive and macho aren't psychologically insane.

I think I get what you're saying - a man establishing authority in your world, taking charge, protecting, being dominant etc is a desirable man. I can understand that, but the thread is about pathological deviants.


Also I did mention the fact that many other women DO write to -and fantasise- of serial killers.


Yes, these are insane women, or niave in thinking they can change them.

You quoted from me earlier so I replied.

I also quoted whitenight639 quite clearly as to show who I was talking too.

[lydia78]

lydia, exactly, this is why things are so messed up.

Totally Syn..until people realise we are not limited by the social structure of gender roles and we all have m/f attributes that need re-balancing, they will be stuck in the stero-typing of the sexes, repeating history so to speak.

[spacegurl]

Well looking at your style of communication I do find it hard to follow what your saying, so if I have mis-read you then maybe you can clarify?
You are generalising..you cannot include a worldwide sample of the female population who would agree with your statements, that's a fact.

No I'm stating an important scientific fact. Most psychologists would agree, and also I'm talking about female animals not just humans. If you can't follow what I'm saying very well then that isn't my problem.

Not every female wants a hegmonic male or penpal a serial killer..this is learnt behaviour that accounts for a minority of the female population.
Why do you think feminism and the sufferage happened?

Don't tell me, you're on eof those modern women who like softer senstive men? I read a lot of feminist material when I was younger. I've also read history books. So yes I know why it happened but it was a lot to do with politics and the rights to vote than with changing women's behaviour. Modern feminists dislike traditional women as they think they are beneath them.

Maybe you could cast your mind back to the era and the supression of women's rights to understand the concept that women wanted equality and to be seen as more than a servant to the husband...independence is a good thing, dependence on the man is not, for it is a breeding ground for control, manipulation, abuse of power etc etc, self reliance is the way to go....so what's your problem with women wanting equality...why shouldn't men stay at home with the kids? Are you so conditoned into the social constructs of gender roles that you cannot see the wood for the trees?

What supression of women's rights? men didn't have any rights. No one did. People were a commodity, both sexes. Women used to work back-breaking jobs, expected to run families and deal with very harsh, painful lifestyles before the ermegence of the suffrege movement. Women were also part of the natural family unit. Only the middle classes expected the household's women (not the maids) sitting indoors, fainting and being subdued. Most modern women are influenced by feminist propaganda, and it is propaganda, where men (that is, macho men) looked upon as an evil entity. If you think that all women were beaten up by men at home before the arrival of equal rights, then you're making a big generalisation. Not to mention it's clouded with ignorance about history itself.
I'm not conditioned by social gendar roles. I'm just a woman who likes men. I don't like effeminate males. Full stop. I also think that the concept of the new woman and new man is part of social conditioning. So in your view then, it's okay for men to wear the apron and be submissive to his wife? do you think that the woman should wear a strap on dildo and ram her husband up the backside?

Also sensitivity is not assigned to any sex/gender, it is called a HUMAN trait
it is the manipulation of the gender roles that has supressed men from exhibiting their sensitivity and women from displaying their masculine attributes.

You are talking like someone conditioned by feminist propaganda. It just sounds like mantra. It's also complete artificial Western crap.

Personally I perceive men and women as intrinsically androgynous, that is both have male/female energy which should be in harmony but has instead been manipulated and divided by design to keep everyone in their boxes and easily controlled.
so take it or leave it, it is only my observation not the law set in stone.

I think we should just agree to disagree. I also think that you're right that each has an anima and an animus in the psycho-logists sense but for the flesh and blood animals we are it isn't to say women should pretend to be men and vice versa. That is social conditioning to have playing reverse roles in the home and expect men to be like the nilly househusbands and for the women to be the masters (because women don't like being called mistresses today).
Do you agree that women should be called managers or manageresses? Do you think men and women should share unisex public toilets, even changing rooms and showers? I'm sure most men would find that idea a turn on although women might think it's immodest.

[synergy777]

inner harmony will bring outer harmony.

all change starts from within.

because people are not in harmony themselves, they seek others to create this, when this doesn't happen, they want to move on, relationships break down. people can help to encourage/foster change within you, but in the end, its you who must change.

[lydia78]

No I'm stating an important scientific fact. Most psychologists would agree, and also I'm talking about female animals not just humans. If you can't follow what I'm saying very well then that isn't my problem.

This thread is about psychopathic tendancies in men and women..nothing to do with animals. I study psychology (final yr) so I'm up to date with the latest research on this. Maybe you could elborate on the scientific aspect of female animals on another thread hey? You were the one who bought up my mis-reading of your comments and I was replying to you in agreement. It's not a problem for me, so no worries there.

Don't tell me, you're on eof those modern women who like softer senstive men? I read a lot of feminist material when I was younger. I've also read history books. So yes I know why it happened but it was a lot to do with politics and the rights to vote than with changing women's behaviour. Modern feminists dislike traditional women as they think they are beneath them.

I accept people for who they are whether they are sensitive or not, each to their own, but no I'm not fond of the aggressive type, there is nothing to gain from being with an agressive indivdual apart from alot of heartache.
As women wanting the right to vote, well of course it changed their behaviour!!!! It goes hand in hand, it was the beginning of women being seen as humans who had an opinion, who had a say in their society..how on earth did you reach the conclusion that it's all politics and nothing to do with behavour? In psychology they call this the behaviourist approach, the enviroment shapes the individual.
The fem movement was about having a voice...something women were denied and men had as a right.
Feminists vary, again you cannot band them into an average personality trait, just because your bias against them.

What supression of women's rights? men didn't have any rights. No one did. People were a commodity, both sexes. Women used to work back-breaking jobs, expected to run families and deal with very harsh, painful lifestyles before the ermegence of the suffrege movement.

what planet are you on? Take alook around you and you'll see quite clearly how the sufferage has been the backbone for female independence. It is because of them we are able to be 'who we are', we have choice now, instead of having to marry, having to have kids etc etc..

Women were also part of the natural family unit. Only the middle classes expected the household's women (not the maids) sitting indoors, fainting and being subdued. Most modern women are influenced by feminist propaganda, and it is propaganda, where men (that is, macho men) looked upon as an evil entity. If you think that all women were beaten up by men at home before the arrival of equal rights, then you're making a big generalisation. Not to mention it's clouded with ignorance about history itself.

I didn't say every women was beaten although that was the norm for control in marriages in the day..still is to an extent, just look at domestic violence stats and death related incidences in the present day.

I'm not conditioned by social gendar roles. I'm just a woman who likes men. I don't like effeminate males. Full stop. I also think that the concept of the new woman and new man is part of social conditioning. So in your view then, it's okay for men to wear the apron and be submissive to his wife? do you think that the woman should wear a strap on dildo and ram her husband up the backside?

No I belive in balance and equality for both sexes.

You are talking like someone conditioned by feminist propaganda. It just sounds like mantra. It's also complete artificial Western crap.

well your perception is your own, but you seem to follow the artificial western crap with intense rigour, hence all of the above, you sound like a man stuck in the 1950's. I am about equality and not about one sex dominating the other.

I think we should just agree to disagree. I also think that you're right that each has an anima and an animus in the psycho-logists sense but for the flesh and blood animals we are it isn't to say women should pretend to be men and vice versa. That is social conditioning to have playing reverse roles in the home and expect men to be like the nilly househusbands and for the women to be the masters (because women don't like being called mistresses today).
Do you agree that women should be called managers or manageresses? Do you think men and women should share unisex public toilets, even changing rooms and showers? I'm sure most men would find that idea a turn on although women might think it's immodest.

I think as long as we respect each other, labels don't matter.

[spacegurl]

This thread is about psychopathic tendancies in men and women..nothing to do with animals. I study psychology (final yr) so I'm up to date with the latest research on this. Maybe you could elborate on the scientific aspect of female animals on another thread hey? You were the one who bought up my mis-reading of your comments and I was replying to you in agreement. It's not a problem for me, so no worries there.


Yes but I was talking about animals and humans earlier on but you got quite self defensive. When you first read my post you felt a dislike towards my viewpoint, which is why you argued back in the first place. I don't care what you're studying and what year you're in (another means to show off about it). Colleges and universities are brainwashing institutions anyway as they condition its students into the politically correct way of thinking. Now I know where you're coming from. I had an incline that you must be a student rather than a business woman or a housewife. There was complete PC-speak about your tone. It had to come fom State indoctrination somewhere. Now you're getting ratty and bitchy. I have absolutely no desire to waste time on explaining to you why I think this way. If ypou don't like it then so what. Live with it.

I accept people for who they are whether they are sensitive or not, each to their own, but no I'm not fond of the aggressive type, there is nothing to gain from being with an agressive indivdual apart from alot of heartache.
As women wanting the right to vote, well of course it changed their behaviour!!!! It goes hand in hand, it was the beginning of women being seen as humans who had an opinion, who had a say in their society..how on earth did you reach the conclusion that it's all politics and nothing to do with behavour? In psychology they call this the behaviourist approach, the enviroment shapes the individual.
The fem movement was about having a voice...something women were denied and men had as a right.
Feminists vary, again you cannot band them into an average personality trait, just because your bias against them.

You don't like aggressive men. I do. To each their own, as you said. :)


what planet are you on? Take alook around you and you'll see quite clearly how the sufferage has been the backbone for female independence. It is because of them we are able to be 'who we are', we have choice now, instead of having to marry, having to have kids etc etc..
Atleast I'm living on a planet and not trapped inside a feminist book. Looking around me I see a lot of crime, degeneracy, drug taking, celbrity worship, greed, messed up people and pollution. What do you mean by "be who we are"? What female independance? Independance from what? Are you a tax payer? Do you feel tied somewhere? Do you owe bills? Do you belong to the society/country? Does someone keep you i.e. friends or lovers? Do you feel obliged to your college? Most people don't understand what "independance" really really means. I'm sure you don't otherwise you wouldn't have said it. I feel sorry for you because you're talking exactly like text-book college/PC propaganda. It's the same mantra.

I didn't say every women was beaten although that was the norm for control in marriages in the day..still is to an extent, just look at domestic violence stats and death related incidences in the present day.

Yes, and you shouldn't trust any form of statistics. They're easily manipulated and flawed. How do you know what the norm was? Who told you what the "norm" was?


No I belive in balance and equality for both sexes.

Mantra again. There is no equality in nature. What you believe in was drummed into you by college and school. No one is equal. Any geneticist and biologist will tell you that. Men and women are different. In what way do you think we "equal"? I suppose you think unequal means superior/inferior?
well your perception is your own, but you seem to follow the artificial western crap with intense rigour, hence all of the above, you sound like a man stuck in the 1950's. I am about equality and not about one sex dominating the other.

What "artificial Western crap" do you assume I "follow"? I follow nothing and nobody. I was the one who reminde dyou that you're spouting modern artificial Western PC values. I'm not stuck in the 1950's and not a man. What makes you say that? Is it because I'm not a feminist? Does that disturb you so much you have to be nasty and insulting? Have you never heard of someone who thinks for themselves and follows no particular idealogy? If you believe in equality that way so much then you have no room to complain if a man beats you up as his equal or if men look at you showering.

I think as long as we respect each other, labels don't matter.

You've already labelled me and thought you had the right to call me names.

[spacegurl]

Basically I've finished on this thread. I haven't got the time or energy to spend argueing about feminism and womens rights. All I wanted to say has been said. I love men who are hairy, aggressive, masculine, like warriors and also dashing like knights. I'm not interested in the new modern man, who is unsexy and boring IMO. Ans I'm not going to change my personal preference to suit other women either. If it upsets them to know some of us traditional damsels still exist then hey, Fuck off! :D

[lydia78]

Yes but I was talking about animals and humans earlier on but you got quite self defensive. When you first read my post you felt a dislike towards my viewpoint, which is why you argued back in the first place. I don't care what you're studying and what year you're in (another means to show off about it). Colleges and universities are brainwashing institutions anyway as they condition its students into the politically correct way of thinking. Now I know where you're coming from. I had an incline that you must be a student rather than a business woman or a housewife. There was complete PC-speak about your tone. It had to come fom State indoctrination somewhere. Now you're getting ratty and bitchy. I have absolutely no desire to waste time on explaining to you why I think this way. If ypou don't like it then so what. Live with it.



You don't like aggressive men. I do. To each their own, as you said. :)


Atleast I'm living on a planet and not trapped inside a feminist book. Looking around me I see a lot of crime, degeneracy, drug taking, celbrity worship, greed, messed up people and pollution. What do you mean by "be who we are"? What female independance? Independance from what? Are you a tax payer? Do you feel tied somewhere? Do you owe bills? Do you belong to the society/country? Does someone keep you i.e. friends or lovers? Do you feel obliged to your college? Most people don't understand what "independance" really really means. I'm sure you don't otherwise you wouldn't have said it. I feel sorry for you because you're talking exactly like text-book college/PC propaganda. It's the same mantra.



Yes, and you shouldn't trust any form of statistics. They're easily manipulated and flawed. How do you know what the norm was? Who told you what the "norm" was?



Mantra again. There is no equality in nature. What you believe in was drummed into you by college and school. No one is equal. Any geneticist and biologist will tell you that. Men and women are different. In what way do you think we "equal"? I suppose you think unequal means superior/inferior?


What "artificial Western crap" do you assume I "follow"? I follow nothing and nobody. I was the one who reminde dyou that you're spouting modern artificial Western PC values. I'm not stuck in the 1950's and not a man. What makes you say that? Is it because I'm not a feminist? Does that disturb you so much you have to be nasty and insulting? Have you never heard of someone who thinks for themselves and follows no particular idealogy? If you believe in equality that way so much then you have no room to complain if a man beats you up as his equal or if men look at you showering.



You've already labelled me and thought you had the right to call me names.


Sweetheart, seriously how about reading in context and listening to what is being said instead of just reacting and putting word in my mouth? your presumptions on me are so very wrong.
I'm not some kid at uni,have learnt everything from experience and through listening to those who have experienced x, y, or z in their life.
Your right, university is an institute and they're full of bollocks. But i'm there due to a facination with psychology, but the dream turned into a nightmare, big deal it's an experience i've learnt from...whatever your views you were the one who bought up the psychology aspect of the debate and i was letting you know I understand the theory.
I can see why your attracted to the aggressive type, you display the same trait and for that reason i see no point in carrying on this conversation, as you say Mantra's,well you are one in itself, that's the second or thrid time you said that in your posts...broken record needs to stop.

[lydia78]

Basically I've finished on this thread. I haven't got the time or energy to spend argueing about feminism and womens rights. All I wanted to say has been said. I love men who are hairy, aggressive, masculine, like warriors and also dashing like knights. I'm not interested in the new modern man, who is unsexy and boring IMO. Ans I'm not going to change my personal preference to suit other women either. If it upsets them to know some of us traditional damsels still exist then hey, Fuck off! :D

As if we give a fuck. :-)

[neutron flux]

Basically I've finished on this thread. I haven't got the time or energy to spend argueing about feminism and womens rights. All I wanted to say has been said. I love men who are hairy, aggressive, masculine, like warriors and also dashing like knights. I'm not interested in the new modern man, who is unsexy and boring IMO. Ans I'm not going to change my personal preference to suit other women either. If it upsets them to know some of us traditional damsels still exist then hey, Fuck off!

Good, because the whole point of the thread was about psychopaths and how they wear a mask of sanity and romantic bait to hook people into their clutches and destroy lives.

[synergy777]

neutron, spot on. listen to lydia she is an intelligent lady.

as for spacegurl, a feisty northern lass, what you think us southern men lol

[karma19]

Basically I've finished on this thread. I haven't got the time or energy to spend argueing about feminism and womens rights. All I wanted to say has been said. I love men who are hairy, aggressive, masculine, like warriors and also dashing like knights. I'm not interested in the new modern man, who is unsexy and boring IMO. Ans I'm not going to change my personal preference to suit other women either. If it upsets them to know some of us traditional damsels still exist then hey, Fuck off! :D

Here Here, very well said. I love the traditional ways where a guy looks after his woman. Don't want my guy spending more time in front of the mirror than me:p

[tinmenace]

Here Here, very well said. I love the traditional ways where a guy looks after his woman. Don't want my guy spending more time in front of the mirror than me:p

Yeah, I like my guys somewhat rugged. I like good hygiene, but a natural outdoorsy look is my favorite. :)

[karma19]

[QUOTE=tinmenace;154564][COLOR="Blue"][SIZE="3"][FONT="Century Gothic"]

Yeah, I like my guys somewhat rugged. I like good hygiene, but a natural outdoorsy look is my favorite. :)



A bit of a hairy chest does it for me and a natural tan (even better).
If hes carrying a box of chocolates he can definately come in :D

[tinmenace]

A bit of a hairy chest does it for me and a natural tan (even better).
If hes carrying a box of chocolates he can definately come in :D

:D

[cheeb]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4178/8milktraytvadvertxb3.jpg

The brainwashing is working!!!

Women who like this sort of bloke=
Are gay men born into the wrong bodies!!!

:eek:

[damagedbrainn]

I think you've got it! if you look most of the adverts on tv are directed at women and the soaps and pop songs seem to tell women they can tell there man what to do.

LOL....Yeah, you like almost never hear the opposite in pop culture...like in rap music...or country music....or glamrock....or any other genre of music which is predominantly comprised of men (ie, nearly all of them).

[damagedbrainn]

Why is there always so much sexism and female-phobia among conspiracy theorists? I think there's definitely something very freudian about that.

[damagedbrainn]

Basically I've finished on this thread. I haven't got the time or energy to spend argueing about feminism and womens rights. All I wanted to say has been said. I love men who are hairy, aggressive, masculine, like warriors and also dashing like knights. I'm not interested in the new modern man, who is unsexy and boring IMO. Ans I'm not going to change my personal preference to suit other women either. If it upsets them to know some of us traditional damsels still exist then hey, Fuck off! :D

Yeah that's all well in good for you, but you see, there are some women who actually don't enjoy date rape or feeling constantly intimidated in the presence of all men who exhibit even the slightest amount of assertiveness simply because they've been raised to view themselves as perpetual damsels in distress. Some women don't get off on always feeling weak and subservient, like a fucking child.

[lydia78]

Why is there always so much sexism and female-phobia among conspiracy theorists? I think there's definitely something very freudian about that.

Talking of which, if the German gov get their way
they'll be creating a generation wherein the freudian
oedipus and electra stages will be a free and legal within families
here's they're new conditioning stratergy on this thread, it is disgusting

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10748

I just hope this is abolished before we have a society full of legal psychopathic
paedophiles!

[tinmenace]

Talking of which, if the German gov get their way
they'll be creating a generation wherein the freudian
oedipus and electra stages will be a free and legal within families
here's they're new conditioning stratergy on this thread, it is disgusting

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10748

I just hope this is abolished before we have a society full of legal psychopathic
paedophiles!

This so so fucking sick! :mad:

[lydia78]

This so so fucking sick! :mad:






Still can't get my head around it Tin, just can't
who the hell gave the thumbs up on this 'project' ??
Not only that but if these are implimented as they are in nursey school
we will have a future generation who are totally messed up
it is sickening without doubt!
Poor Kids!
Here's hoping common sense and morality prevails!

[tinmenace]

Still can't get my head around it Tin, just can't
who the hell gave the thumbs up on this 'project' ??
Not only that but if these are implimented as they are in nursey school
we will have a future generation who are in totally messed up
it is sickening without doubt!

This could so easily go from "caressing" to full-blown penetration or whatever. This is a CLASSIC splintering method. This is how they create mind-slaves. They splinter their personalities from birth, primarily through sexual abuse.

Brice Taylor talks about how her father splintered her into many personalities, through sexual abuse, starting from infancy:

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/brice.jpg

By the time she was two years old, she was able to take full penetration from an adult man. Two years old! Thanks to her father "stretching" her in preparation.

So! What the German government are promoting here is the creation of people that will be much more susceptible to mind-control due to early splintering (who knows what the schools will be doing?).

Also, it's a loophole for legal pedophilia, as you might have mentioned.

What a bunch of dickwads! :rolleyes:

[lydia78]

This could so easily go from "caressing" to full-blown penetration or whatever. This is a CLASSIC splintering method. This is how they create mind-slaves. They splinter their personalities from birth, primarily through sexual abuse.

Brice Taylor talks about how her father splintered her into many personalities, through sexual abuse, starting from infancy:

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/brice.jpg

By the time she was two years old, she was able to take full penetration from an adult man. Two years old! Thanks to her father "stretching" her in preparation.

So! What the German government are promoting here is the creation of people that will be much more susceptible to mind-control due to early splintering (who knows what the schools will be doing?).

Also, it's a loophole for legal pedophilia, as you might have mentioned.

What a bunch of dickwads! :rolleyes:







Y'know what, this is unbearable. in light of all the research done with abuse victims, what a slap in the face.
Yes, heard of the splinter effect, Childhood amnesia turns into Lacunar amnesia, where they are so tramatised they block it out, the beginning of split personality disorder, which then leads to whatever other mental illness...
It just breaks your heart that these fucking bastards could even think this is ok, never mind make it a fucking law!!
Hypocrites the lot of them!!!
I truely hope that families will protest against this, many of the german people don't even know this is a law yet, as usual, laws passed through the back door!

[tinmenace]

Y'know what, this is unbearable. in light of all the research done with abuse victims, what a slap in the face.
Yes, heard of the splinter effect, Childhood amnesia turns into Lacunar amnesia, where they are so tramatised they block it out, the beginning of split personality disorder, which then leads to whatever other mental illness...
It just breaks your heart that these fucking bastards could even think this is ok, never mind make it a fucking law!!
Hypocrites the lot of them!!!
I truely hope that families will protest against this, many of the german people don't even know this is a law yet, as usual, laws passed through the back door!

It's not going to work. This is going to fall flat on its face! The new energies that are going to lead the way on this planet will not tolerate this sort of thing.

[bigus_dickus]

Originally Posted by spacegurl
Basically I've finished on this thread. I haven't got the time or energy to spend argueing about feminism and womens rights. All I wanted to say has been said. I love men who are hairy, aggressive, masculine, like warriors and also dashing like knights. I'm not interested in the new modern man, who is unsexy and boring IMO. Ans I'm not going to change my personal preference to suit other women either. If it upsets them to know some of us traditional damsels still exist then hey, Fuck off!

As if we give a fuck. :-)

i do! ;)

[lydia78]

It's not going to work. This is going to fall flat on its face! The new energies that are going to lead the way on this planet will not tolerate this sort of thing.







Agreed, it's important to keep focused on this vision!:)

[lydia78]

i do! ;)

LOL!:D
why does that not suprise me lol!

[tinmenace]

Agreed, it's important to keep focused on this vision!:)

:)

[lydia78]

:)

Actually your sig from Lapis says it all!!:)
great quote!!

[tinmenace]

Actually your sig from Lapis says it all!!:)
great quote!!

Yes, she comes up with some real gems!

[2013]

I havent been away forthat long and look what i've missed ,certainly a lively thread .Good points being made .The german legislation if not checked is certainly designed to protect those already abusing their authority not to mention people .The masses are never fully alert to what laws are passed .Like you say if this becomes the norm then what next .Do the psyche of different races vary, they must to some extent ,and what one group of people accept as normal other's find as intolerable.I once had a german landlady who often used to talk to me when i was in the kitchen , she once said that in england,s not so distant past that fathers used to use corn husks to break young girls in before their marriage so they where ready for their husbands ,and that in the middle ages when the father became to old to satisfy the woman the elder son would take his place in her bed as the villages where few and far between and there wasnt many opportunities for a new lover ? i was only trying to make some beans on toast .I dont know if this was just her own personality or what but she seemed to have a different attitude towards sex and said that it was the german way to be like that .So who knows what people will accept or be conditioned towards .It would be interesting to see if there are any major scandals of this nature in german press and guage the reaction to it.Im sure like most people they would be appalled by it .But the state does seem to have more control there than in other counties as to home school children for example is against the law and you can be imprisoned for it . my landlady was a very nice lady by the way :D

[lydia78]

I havent been away forthat long and look what i've missed ,certainly a lively thread .Good points being made .The german legislation if not checked is certainly designed to protect those already abusing their authority not to mention people .The masses are never fully alert to what laws are passed .Like you say if this becomes the norm then what next .Do the psyche of different races vary, they must to some extent ,and what one group of people accept as normal other's find as intolerable.I once had a german landlady who often used to talk to me when i was in the kitchen , she once said that in england,s not so distant past that fathers used to use corn husks to break young girls in before their marriage so they where ready for their husbands ,and that in the middle ages when the father became to old to satisfy the woman the elder son would take his place in her bed as the villages where few and far between and there wasnt many opportunities for a new lover ? i was only trying to make some beans on toast .I dont know if this was just her own personality or what but she seemed to have a different attitude towards sex and said that it was the german way to be like that .So who knows what people will accept or be conditioned towards .It would be interesting to see if there are any major scandals of this nature in german press and guage the reaction to it.Im sure like most people they would be appalled by it .But the state does seem to have more control there than in other counties as to home school children for example is against the law and you can be imprisoned for it . my landlady was a very nice lady by the way :D


Bloody Hell 2013!! Yeah the Germans have a 'liberal' view on sex
remember as a kid, we used to go see my old man's cronies there
sex mad doesn't even begin to cover it, but there is a very thin line between cultural differences and paedophilia...i mean are these people lacking in empathy or what? A sign of a psychopath!!
They are trying to eradicate the age of innnocence, turning children into mini adults and destroying their mental, emotional, physical and spiritual development...as Tin says though, this can not succeed!