View Full Version : Arizona wilder - is it beleivable?
tiswas
10-10-2007, 02:16 PM
I have actually sat through and watched the interview with Icke, but what baffles me is that is this stuff totally believable.
1 2 free
10-10-2007, 02:18 PM
My impression when I watched it was that she believed what she was saying. I wasn't convinced though.
revelations
10-10-2007, 02:20 PM
Yeah, Ive seen the interview too... and you couldnt make that shit up.
tinmenace
10-10-2007, 02:26 PM
My impression when I watched it was that she believed what she was saying. I wasn't convinced though.
Agreed. Something about her that doesn't sit right with me. I'm not saying that I don't believe her, I'm just not sure if she is being completely honest. Something she's not telling...or something....
tiswas
10-10-2007, 02:36 PM
My point is that A Wilder, has named some big names doing this and that but there has been no action from their part of the story. It is very similar to 'Tranceformation of America' when some folk said that the book was good for a laugh.
bigus_dickus
10-10-2007, 02:39 PM
she is a lunatic. :)
revelations
10-10-2007, 02:40 PM
Personaly I think her head is still fucked up in that interview and it probably still is, but wouldnt you if you had been through all that trauma and brain washing?
Agreed. Something about her that doesn't sit right with me. I'm not saying that I don't believe her, I'm just not sure if she is being completely honest. Something she's not telling...or something....
strider
10-10-2007, 02:42 PM
Well, she certainly knows her stuff..
Just take into consideration, that if what she says about her own life is true, then she had, at the time, just come off the back of a lifetime of the most horrendous abuse, and was involved in some powerful and disgusting rituals week in week out.. No wonder she comes across as a bit odd..
I ask you folks, how do you think you could cope with it?
tiswas
10-10-2007, 02:44 PM
Arizona, as well as Cathy O'brien have both stated they have had forced sexual relations with George H Bush, Henry Kissenger and a host of top Illumanti names. I belevie they have claimed that they were mind-controlled or something. But when I saw this AW video, I am quite surprised no one disputed this.:eek::eek::eek:
strider
10-10-2007, 02:46 PM
I belevie they have claimed that they were mind-controlled or something.
So, I believe you have barely read in to it...
phoebe
10-10-2007, 02:48 PM
Arizona, as well as Cathy O'brien... I belevie they have claimed that they were mind-controlled or something.
Really?
What gave you that impression?
:rolleyes:
tinmenace
10-10-2007, 02:48 PM
Personaly I think her head is still fucked up in that interview and it probably still is, but wouldnt you if you had been through all that trauma and brain washing?
Totally!
father ted
10-10-2007, 02:50 PM
Her info goes against so many people's beliefs, yes, there's things she says that other researcher's say as well, some different, some not...
Go with you're feelings and on this one. Coincidences, intuition, ect.
chris
10-10-2007, 03:27 PM
Whereas Cathy O’Brien has said things before they have come to light as facts, gives her more creditability such as secret base discoveries; Arizona just seems to be another disinfo agent like David Shayler, Morgan Reynolds and Jim Fetzer.
Cathy O'Brien has been active (although not heard from her in a while) for quite a long time, Arizona just did an interview and then dissapeared. It would be interesting to see what she is doing now.
The guy that proof read the biggest secret proof read it before Arizonas interview came up and he passed it as a very good book, with explosive interviews (w/ Diana’s friend). Then when he got to read the finished copy, he was very surprised to see Arizona’s interview in there...He voiced his concerns and said David Icke also thought she was not trustworthy. This all came to light a long time ago and if we still had the old forum, I would be able to show you his original posts regarding the issue...
1 2 free
10-10-2007, 03:41 PM
Whereas Cathy O’Brien has said things before they have come to light as facts, gives her more creditability such as secret base discoveries; Arizona just seems to be another disinfo agent like David Shayler, Morgan Reynolds and Jim Fetzer.
Cathy O'Brien has been active (although not heard from her in a while) for quite a long time, Arizona just did an interview and then dissapeared. It would be interesting to see what she is doing now.
There's a brand new Cathy O'Brien interview up on CMN. Good one too.
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm
truthsupplier
10-10-2007, 03:46 PM
Don`t you just love the nay sayers?
Do they actually understand what controllers are able to do? Or if you could even recognise it if you had a handler? Mind control is not science fiction...
deus_sumus
10-10-2007, 03:54 PM
Whereas Cathy O’Brien has said things before they have come to light as facts, gives her more creditability such as secret base discoveries; Arizona just seems to be another disinfo agent like David Shayler, Morgan Reynolds and Jim Fetzer.
Cathy O'Brien has been active (although not heard from her in a while) for quite a long time, Arizona just did an interview and then dissapeared. It would be interesting to see what she is doing now.
The guy that proof read the biggest secret proof read it before Arizonas interview came up and he passed it as a very good book, with explosive interviews (w/ Diana’s friend). Then when he got to read the finished copy, he was very surprised to see Arizona’s interview in there...He voiced his concerns and said David Icke also thought she was not trustworthy. This all came to light a long time ago and if we still had the old forum, I would be able to show you his original posts regarding the issue...
The person who did the proof reading is Ivan Fraser. He does give some valid concerns about Arizona.
Here is a link to his article: http://www.whale.to/b/wilder2.html
chris
10-10-2007, 04:15 PM
There's a brand new Cathy O'Brien interview up on CMN. Good one too.
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm
The person who did the proof reading is Ivan Fraser. He does give some valid concerns about Arizona.
Here is a link to his article: http://www.whale.to/b/wilder2.html
U dudes fucking rule:cool:
razed1
10-10-2007, 09:08 PM
theres more things between the heavens and earth, that are dreamed of in your debunker philosophies
I watch this a while back and she seems more in control than back then - I think she is slowly getting her live back. I don't think you have to believe everything she says - you must consider her interpertation of things when it happened to her, trying to make sense and explain herself and what happened. Most of the things she says can be confirmed if you study her backround and other cases like her.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2584448896970506255&q=arizona+wilder&total=38&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
gorgeousbutterfly
11-10-2007, 01:29 AM
i don't understand why on the interview with david icke she showed almost no emotions. i mean if she went through THAT MUCH, and she explained the abuse its horrific, i think anybody with a soul would be very screwed up after that , even with therapy. she just shows no emotions at all. its weird. same thing with cathy o'brien
They dissociate themselves from their emotions, caused by trauma. Also they grew up like that, to us it's bizarre to them it's normal in a way. Your personality and identity are formed in the years before 3 years old - if you did not develop normally by then, you basically stay 3years old untill therapy can recreate your development.
tinmenace
11-10-2007, 01:43 AM
They dissociate themselves from their emotions, caused by trauma. Also they grew up like that, to us it's bizarre to them it's normal in a way. Your personality and identity are formed in the years before 3 years old - if you did not develop normally by then, you basically stay 3years old untill therapy can recreate your development.
Right, they are so splintered.
gorgeousbutterfly
11-10-2007, 02:01 AM
They dissociate themselves from their emotions, caused by trauma. Also they grew up like that, to us it's bizarre to them it's normal in a way. Your personality and identity are formed in the years before 3 years old - if you did not develop normally by then, you basically stay 3years old untill therapy can recreate your development.
Good point, i forget that she was being abused ever since infancy. and tramua can make you dissociated .
razed1
11-10-2007, 05:02 AM
you should look up 'freeman fly' from the freeman perspective
he a researcher and hes does talk alot about mind control victims/celebrities
hes got vids on google, give em a whirl