majicdragon
28-04-2010, 04:44 AM
this is a conversation which revolves around a possible solution for to-be freemen-on-the-land.
from a skype chat....
larry andrew nils: uhrig
3:54 PM
not sure... try me anytime. i'm home.
3:55 PM
i just had a nap and got up and noticed that you are here.
3:55 PM
do you want to know what i want to do as a way to leave the society...?...
3:56 PM
i got a good plan that will work well if you are interested in hearing about it and thinking about it.
3:57 PM
i'm going to do this thing in july because i'm waiting until after my mom visits...
3:59 PM
i'm going to make a simple notice... already made it actually... and return my id and certification to the old government.
4:00 PM
and that's it... no notice of understanding and intent. my understanding is none of their business and my intent will be made manifest. i need no paper to clarify my intent.
4:01 PM
all i need is to return my id and certification and that's it.
4:02 PM
if you follow the way i will do it, i recommend learning it and talking about it with me and others before committing... be sure...
4:04 PM
i will give simple notice that i return my certification as it is no longer my wish to belong to their organization... this is better than the way others are going... this will leave you with no identification except a copy of the letter you sent to the government]... you will be able to use it as id.
4:05 PM
when i do this, i will have proof that i have returned my id and revoked consent.
4:06 PM
it will be really easy for them to read it... not a stupid long winded notice telling them all the stuff you want to say and they have to sit there and what?... interpret it?...
4:06 PM
no... just a simple notice with the id glued to it.
4:07 PM
this has not been tried, but after i do it, i will show that it works fine. this will be a good path for freemen to take... if they dare.
4:12 PM
lalalalalalalalalalalala
Joshua
4:46 PM
ok sounds good, but in my situation any i.d i did once have is long gone, i have not had i.d. in years. i lost my wallet and havent gotten anything back since.so i write notice that i have lost all my government issued i.d. i do no wish to have any returned to me, i revoke consent.couldnt i just send a simple notce or revokeing consent i have remaid a very short one page notice station i am a freeman on the land, i revoke consent to be gorvened or bound by any act or statute and i live in peace......
4:47 PM
wow, sorry about the spelling i hit enter before looking it over
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:47 PM
oh yes, you can tell them you revoke consent.
4:48 PM
i did not notice
4:49 PM
you can tell them that you do not consent... of course you can do that. i won't do that in my notice as it will be implied that i revoke consent.
4:49 PM
wanna see my ... yes you do... here, ill show you my notice...
Joshua
4:49 PM
have u tried the 96 payment method
4:49 PM
ok
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:50 PM
from Larry-Andrew-Nils: Uhrig
c/o Box XX
Dease Lake, British Columbia
[V0C 1L0]
NOTICE TO ALL CONCERNED:
I, Larry-Andrew-Nils: Uhrig, do hereby return all of my societal identification, as i no longer wish to be enrolled with your organization.
I return my birth certificate, my social insurance card, my drivers license, and my passport.
thank you.
Joshua
4:51 PM
and who do you send that to i have 4 members of provincial govenment and 4 members federal, the queen and supremme court of ontario
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:51 PM
then on the bottom part of the paper, i will attatch my id... and i will photocopy the notice with the id on it... i will make many copies of that, and i will make a .....
4:52 PM
fuck it i say... i'm hand delivering the notice to my local bc access center. i will have photocopied proof.
4:53 PM
they can't touch me if i have that photocopy and also will make solemn declaration that it is true.
Joshua
4:53 PM
what is an access center i have not heard of this in ontario
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:55 PM
and the 96... i have not done... an access center is here in dease lake because it is a very remote and small community... the center has every government agency in it or a way to communicate to any agency... is also called service canada... or something... i have to get the proper name for it.
Joshua
4:56 PM
yes its probably service canada you are talking about, should i bring a witnness to deliver notice
4:58 PM
Whereas it is my understanding I Joshua XXXXXX XXXXXXX of the XXXXXXX family can claim the status of a Freeman-on-the-land: A human being in common law jurisdiction who lawfully denies or revokes consent to be represented and governed and exists completely free from all statutory restraints, obligations, restrictions and limitations, and
Whereas it is my intent to claim and live by the status of a Freeman-on-the-land: A human being in common law jurisdiction who lawfully denies or revokes consent to be represented and governed and exists completely free from all statutory restraints, obligations, restrictions and limitations, and
Whereas I claim the right to live as a Freeman-on-the-land: A human being in common law jurisdiction who lawfully denies or revokes consent to be represented and governed and exists completely free from all statutory restraints, obligations, restrictions and limitations, and
Whereas I claim the status of a Freeman-on-the-land: A human being in common law jurisdiction who lawfully denies or revokes consent to be represented and governed and exists completely free from all statutory restraints, obligations, restrictions and limitations.
Furthermore I Apply my "Fee Schedule", attached hereto my Claim of Right and marked as
Appendage "A" Part 1 and Appendage "A" Part 2, for any transgression by peace officers, government principals, agents or justice system participants or any other third party for a process or
adjudication, without express written consent from myself, in a transaction of a
security interest in the public forum of any transgression by anyone in conflict with this denial of consent.
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:58 PM
see how in my notice that i do not revoke consent, but i simply... but it simply tells that i no longer wish to belong to their organization... this is implied to mean that i revoke consent, and it is easy to see
Joshua
4:58 PM
that is my new notice
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:59 PM
that is a nice short good notice... i like to see ones that are easy to read.
Joshua
4:59 PM
yes i was getting frusterated over the long ones
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:00 PM
for my fee scedule, i will make that all separate. i will only have to deliver that to the rcmp, but i will also hand deliver it.
Joshua
5:00 PM
what about the courts
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:00 PM
and as far as fuck the courts
5:01 PM
i won't have to go to court if i don't belong to their society
Joshua
5:01 PM
but if they get you there somehow you could make sure your covered
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:03 PM
and since i deliver a notice to the bc access center to all concerned, and the access center is for everybody to access every government thing... they will not be able to put me to court... if i do wrong, they will have to convene a .....
Joshua
5:03 PM
so if im pulled over with a simple notice like that u dont beleive they will just think i am a crazy man who sent one letter sending in their i.d. to not ÈdriveÈ
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:03 PM
no... if they get me there somehow, i can show them the photocopy of the notice i sent to the access center
Joshua
5:04 PM
to only a service canada
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:04 PM
no, i did not say they won't think you crazy... you really are going to have to be slick to pull it off
Joshua
5:04 PM
ya i could do it
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:04 PM
i'm from a small place and i will give the cops notice that i will be using a van with no plates in order to go to the dump every 2 weeks
Joshua
5:05 PM
just liking my old notice before how i could point out to the officer i have sent it to the queen the top of the governemnet and hecouldnt argue with that but ya a service canada is obligated to take care of all that stuff for me
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:05 PM
i dont recomend doing it in a big city... you could get killed...
Joshua
5:06 PM
i live in torontoà
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:06 PM
and ... yeah service canada gets your notice, they have to do something about seeing to it that you are out of their system
Joshua
5:06 PM
i cant beelive i never thought of that
5:07 PM
i have spend about 200 bucks already sending it via registered mail i was completely unhappy with my notices though
5:07 PM
in a rush
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:07 PM
and even ... but even in a big city... yeah i'm a smart one... even in a big city the cops will look at your notice and be able to read it...
5:08 PM
i ain't gonna worry about them trying to say i belong... because they have to honour this thing when it comes down to it... if they haul you around and into jail and court, they are gonna be in trouble.
Joshua
5:09 PM
you go to the acces center by urself
5:09 PM
or do u bring a witness
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:10 PM
just be polite and go with them. you don't even have to say protest and duress... if court comes it becomes obvious that you are there under protest and duress
5:11 PM
you should bring a witness. i don't want to tell you not to bring witness, especially in your case that you have no government id
5:11 PM
you have to have someone to witness who you are.
Joshua
5:11 PM
i do actually have a birth certificate
5:12 PM
how would i go about stating to my company i do not have any obligation to paying tax
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:12 PM
in my case, why would i need a witness since the lady at the counter will be witness to me there giving notice... and she only has to look at the picture on my license and passport to see that i was that person.
Joshua
5:12 PM
they arent gunna want to hire a lawyer to understand this proccess
5:13 PM
i will bring 2 witnessès
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:13 PM
about a business, lets learn that together and with the others'
5:15 PM
if i went to work for someone i wouldn't be able to cash their cheque since i won't have a bank account
Joshua
5:16 PM
is a bank account governement
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:16 PM
i am a good one to do this thing... i have no job, no welfare, no ui, no ties except my car which i will sell first to my mom
5:16 PM
i believe a bank account can only be run on the "person" but i am not certain
Joshua
5:17 PM
probably because i showed the person i.d. to get the account
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:17 PM
yeah
5:18 PM
i'm ready to roll
Joshua
5:18 PM
i am in a union so i am thinking it is there obligation to interpret my notice and inform my company of my right to not have tax deducted
5:18 PM
but now i dont know what to do about getting paid
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:19 PM
ah, a job... you can't find out from me cause i don't know about what to do there
5:19 PM
i was not in your situation with a job, so i wasn't looking into that aspect
Joshua
5:20 PM
im thinking i the human being have revoked consent to be governened bound by laws etc, there is still a person out there resmbling my name
5:20 PM
so i can still receive checks
5:20 PM
and cash in the persons name
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:21 PM
mmm. the way i am doing it, where i give back my id and totally get out, there will be no person resembling my name
Joshua
5:21 PM
but would that lead to an argumenet that i am bouncing in and out of their society and there rules
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:21 PM
this is why i have decided to leave outright
5:22 PM
i though about the argument, and i see the point of it
Joshua
5:22 PM
hmmm their must be a way
5:22 PM
i could demand being paid in cash
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:22 PM
i have a feeling that they will be forced by my decision and actions to do something they have not done before
5:23 PM
perhaps they will be forced to give me my security of person...
Joshua
5:23 PM
i would need my security if i have on employment insurance
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:23 PM
jesus said, something like... "give that thou hast to they brethren and follow me.
Joshua
5:23 PM
or access to my security
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:24 PM
jesus also said something like, give all that thou hast and you shall gain the world
Joshua
5:24 PM
hmmmà
5:25 PM
i have nothing lol
5:25 PM
but notices
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:25 PM
so i was entertaining the thought that the gov would be forced to render unto me my share of the land
5:26 PM
nobody has given back their stuff... all their id and birth certificate... we don't know what will happen yet
5:26 PM
i think they'll be forced to give me all my bond worth... and i feel that everyone thereafter will follow this path...
Joshua
5:27 PM
i could send a notice to my bank stating i have revoked consent as a human being i have no i.d. i do not wish to get any my name has changed on the account to Joshua: XXXXXXX and i could send a notice to my company to make sure the notices are made to that name as it is me
5:27 PM
that would be amazing
5:27 PM
logical too
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:28 PM
you should look into it all the way, and if you feel good about it, do.
Joshua
5:28 PM
i think you might have to demand it first though
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:28 PM
follow your heart. don't let days go by where you do not follow your heart
Joshua
5:29 PM
i follow my stomache lol
5:29 PM
i just dont wana lose my job and cant eat
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:29 PM
me, i am going without ... eat... yum yum
Joshua
5:29 PM
thats all im worried about
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:30 PM
yeah, ok, you wait untill i do this method... i think you should look into the job thing, but since i have no nor want a job, i can't get energized to look into it
Joshua
5:31 PM
hmmmm
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:31 PM
i'm going out all the way. i'm having no ties.
Joshua
5:31 PM
so i would probably have to quit if i did because i would not be able to receive checks
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:32 PM
you got to figure out a way to be able to cash cheques;;;\
Joshua
5:32 PM
why are you waiting to july
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:32 PM
you gotta ask this in the forums... this is good question...
Joshua
5:33 PM
what forums would u ask that in
5:33 PM
i have not been able to use the forums succesfully yet
5:33 PM
not sure where to go
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:34 PM
im waiting because my mom comes up in july... i live in her house... i was wanting to wait till she left, and then i could do it... just incase the cops decide to use my notice as a cue to detain me. i doubt this, but this is a new road, and who can say
Joshua
5:35 PM
i am thinking of taking a side trail that eventually leads to your road
5:35 PM
do mine in steps
5:35 PM
i am gunna send a notice to my bank
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:35 PM
ok, the forums are problematic right now... cant post in the forums... only the public forums.... http://for um.worldfr eemansocie ty.org/
5:36 PM
but here are a good forum where many people go... http://www .davidicke .com/forum /
5:37 PM
the david icke forums... the freeman-on-the-land forum
Joshua
5:37 PM
stating i am joshua of the xxxxxx family not XXXXXX XXXXXXX i have revoked all consent to the government, i will still be receiveing checks and they will be in my proper fmaily name
5:37 PM
and i will send notice to my union stating the same and a copy of my affidavit of truth
5:38 PM
they have to do the rest from their as they represeant me the worker
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:38 PM
joshua. ask in the forums if you can do that... there are very many smart people there... don't neglect the david icke forums either because there are tons of people who go there to help
Joshua
5:38 PM
to ensure i get paid appropriatly
5:39 PM
ok
5:39 PM
is david ike the one with the tax videos
5:39 PM
the millionaire guy
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:39 PM
this job thing and whether you can get paid as a freeman is a heavy-duty topic
Joshua
5:40 PM
i should be able to get paid for my services
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:40 PM
david icke is the one who says the queen is a twelve-foot shape-shifting-lizzard from outer space.
Joshua
5:40 PM
but they give me govenemtn bank notes
5:40 PM
oh him lol
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:41 PM
and he is also the antiterrorist
5:41 PM
believe it or not
Joshua
5:41 PM
rele
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:41 PM
yes
5:42 PM
he uses a voice changer
Joshua
5:42 PM
i will bring this topic up as their might be arguement saying i cant receive goernemnet bank notes and maybe only gold
5:42 PM
for my services as a worker
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:43 PM
yeah, there has to be a way because you have rights to work.. the thing is that most employers are totally embroiled within the current system
Joshua
5:43 PM
my company especcially
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:43 PM
so it will be a haul to get them over to our way.
Joshua
5:44 PM
but it is a union company and unions are suppost to repreasent the worker in all ways, but is the worker a person the the union or a human being thats the question
5:44 PM
maybe the union wont reckognize my status
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:45 PM
you go slow. wait till you know. .... yeah, that's what you have to find out...
5:45 PM
inquire
5:45 PM
if possible]\
5:45 PM
at your work place
Joshua
5:45 PM
i was thinking of this already i wokr demiliition so my company has to deal with bylaws and acts all the time , so if they went my way they wouldnt be bound by the bylaws and acts so they could do whatever they want
5:45 PM
but that would lead to every company doing this
5:46 PM
wich would ruin the country
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:46 PM
you would have to be paid throug private-contract.
Joshua
5:46 PM
buildings being build not under coees and regualtuions
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:46 PM
ahh
5:46 PM
yes
Joshua
5:47 PM
everyone would be skipping stps to save a dollar
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:48 PM
when you build a dwelling, you must be sure it is safe... otherwise you are liable... freeman or no... an unsafe dwelling is like a trap set for a person, and a freeman can't build unsafe dwellings. he will be liable in common law for damages caused
Joshua
5:49 PM
hmmmmm
5:49 PM
good point
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:49 PM
there will always be the common-law and we can't hurt others. also we can't use fraud in our contracts otherwise we are also liable.
5:50 PM
so if we build an unsafe dwelling, the only remedy in the sale would be full disclosure
Joshua
5:50 PM
another good point
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:50 PM
then the freeman would be right in selling an unsafe dwelling
5:51 PM
it's mostly common sense.
5:52 PM
i'm going to go slam 4 raw eggs... back in 2 min
Joshua
5:53 PM
what if a freeman built an unsafe dwelling but was un aware it was unsafe
5:53 PM
i guess make a contract staing
5:53 PM
the fremman is not liable
5:53 PM
as he has built it as safe as he knows
5:55 PM
and yes a provate contract that is what i am gunna do with my bank and company
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:56 PM
can you do a private contract with a bank... i would like to know... this is interesting... i would like to keep a bank account,,, rob menard has no bank account...
Joshua
5:57 PM
i dont know
5:57 PM
somone must be able to cash ur cheque using notarized i.d.
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:57 PM
if you go asking at a forum, keep this chat open to see all the things you can ask
Joshua
5:58 PM
oh i will be posting some questions thats for sure
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:58 PM
they have that real-id act... that is something to do with ... perhaps you can have real id and also be free of government
Joshua
5:59 PM
havent heard of that act
notarized should be real
6:00 PM
fuck my company has me working out of town and they bought a house for us to live in during the week, so i live with all suppervisors so i have to go outside to smoke and its cold here
ya so im gunna send my notcice of status and start from there
6:20 PM
im gunna write on it i have no i;d i have lost it all
6:20 PM
so i have none to return , and i do not wish to have any more i do not want nor need it
6:20 PM
i revoke consent
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:20 PM
the freemen are starting a store... check it out... they will sell weed... http://fre emancafe.o rg/tiki-re ad_article .php?artic leId=3
Joshua
6:20 PM
nice nice
6:21 PM
i have to work out this bankécheque issue
6:21 PM
im pretty sure the union will deal with my problems
6:21 PM
regarding payment from my company
6:22 PM
so do u think im safe with my noitces of status
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:23 PM
what do you mean safe with your notices of status... take your time, i'm not going anywhere
Joshua
6:25 PM
i mean if i am traveling in my unregistered vehicle in a deregistered vehicle is a copy of this affidavit good enough to proof my status
6:25 PM
will i need notarized i.d.
6:28 PM
i have not received i.d. from the worldfreemansoiciety
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:30 PM
oh... i don't know. we have to find out, and if you volunteer to do it, i'm sure we will all enjoy learning... i would use... i will use a copy of the notice i send with my id on it... this will be good, but you should have to ... yes... have a copy of the notice you send and whatever accompanys your notice... this means your affidavit as well..... i believe that it should work, yes.... you cannot be compelled to belong to an organization -united declaration of human-rights/.
6:31 PM
also the canadian charter of rights and freedoms... freedom of .... hang on
6:33 PM
freedom of association
6:35 PM
the problem is not whether you can lawfully do this... the problem is that a police officer may become confused and angry or insane... he could detain you and assault you... that's the problem...
6:35 PM
the judge won't be a problem either... just the cop.
Joshua
6:38 PM
i hope he assaults me
6:38 PM
then i apply my fee schedual
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:39 PM
be polite and try to have witnesses
Joshua
6:39 PM
of course
6:39 PM
hmmmà
6:40 PM
im thhinking now maybe i should get i.d. then revoke it
6:40 PM
i like how u have a photo copy of urs
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:40 PM
i believe the fee shedule should be done separately as a notice you can post, or as a notice you can also deliver to the police in your area. they should know who you are and you should have a way for them to know ... a freeman plate
6:41 PM
there you go. get id first
6:41 PM
duh
6:41 PM
why didn't i think of that
Joshua
6:42 PM
lol
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:42 PM
but, yes... you are one smart cookie
Joshua
6:43 PM
ahahaha,
6:43 PM
i try
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:44 PM
do it... do get all your id, so that you can make a notice just like me
6:44 PM
we can be like jesus and john
6:44 PM
lol
Joshua
6:44 PM
lol
6:45 PM
im pretty sure i could work around the payment issue thats my only problem now
6:46 PM
check around on the forums
6:46 PM
ya i defiatly like ur idea
6:46 PM
then when they ask for i.d. i al least show a copy of it along with the notices
6:47 PM
there should be nothing else i need to do
6:47 PM
no a
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:48 PM
yeah... that's your only problem because you can use the same notice i use. stick your id on the notice, photocopy it a thousand times... put it into safe places... viola... freeman id forever... until proper id comes along...
Joshua
6:49 PM
yes i like it an all in one package
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:49 PM
so now seriously... look at my notice, and put your name on it... do you know that in the 1949 ballantines law dictionary the word human-being, is given no other definition than "see monster"
Joshua
6:50 PM
lol
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:51 PM
joshua
6:52 PM
lets find out about how we can handle money as freemen.
Joshua
6:53 PM
yes that is a big issue
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:53 PM
joshua.... lets post this conversation into a forum. lets invite the others. some will like this. what do you think...?
Joshua
6:54 PM
ya for sure
6:54 PM
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:54 PM
ok
Joshua
6:54 PM
well u know the places to post better then me
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:56 PM
i'll post it at the icke forums in the freeman section and in the public forums in the wfs... i'll just take the good bits about the topics we discussed and leave out the small-talk
6:57 PM
i'll change your name to freemansoon1 and i will be larry andrew nils: uhrig
Joshua
6:57 PM
yeah send me the links so i can see the input
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:58 PM
i will tomorrow.
Joshua
6:58 PM
u can use joshua i dont care
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:58 PM
k'
Joshua
6:59 PM
how did u come up with ur idea
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:59 PM
it all makes sence though eh?... once you learn the law, and know the way, you don't need to tell them you learned the law or know the way.
Joshua
6:59 PM
just thought about it
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:59 PM
i prayed
6:59 PM
actually, i prayed before i found this society
7:00 PM
to the one in my heart that i knew from the beginning
7:01 PM
the one who knew of me before i was mae
7:08 PM
i thought long and i studied well. i saw so soon that i was free. am free now. i thought about all the ways... i thought about jesus' saying, "give that thine hast to thy brethren and thy fellowservants... i didn't even believe in jesus until after that thought... there were a series of revelations actually... i saw that jesus is a symbol who is also hermes and thoth. i read the emerald tablets of thoth and i saw that the bible story genesis and exodus took place in space, not on earth....
7:12 PM
bit crazy hey?...
7:13 PM
i got a flying saucer at a patent office... no patent, but no one else can own... they can only make public property by effing around somehow
7:14 PM
but i would like to give to the society and all members.
Joshua
7:01 PM
thats brilliant
7:02 PM
what does robert manard think of ur method
7:04 PM
maybe i should add on ur notice any identification i used to have i have lost
7:04 PM
and do not wish to receive any in returnà
7:05 PM
like my health insurace card
7:05 PM
i dont need to re apply to revoke consent
7:05 PM
im just gunna do it with my driver
7:05 PM
licence
7:06 PM
or actually it would be nice to have my health insurace
7:06 PM
card on it
7:06 PM
th
7:07 PM
then i could use a copy of my notice at a hpospital if i need
7:09 PM
i want to make a binder or something with all my collected information in it and my notiices sent or not
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:15 PM
it is a wheel within a wheel. it has fins, and the wheel on the outside is thinner, but these wheels spin counter to one another... it's gonna be huge.
7:17 PM
your drivers license, your health card... get your sin again so that you have that number right there on the photocopy of your notice.
Joshua
7:17 PM
genius
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:18 PM
robert menard is very much a genius, but he said it himself... those who stand on the shoulders of giants can reach further.
7:20 PM
try to do this as soon as possible
Joshua
7:20 PM
i am going to
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:20 PM
im a go by july 16 or so.
Joshua
7:20 PM
then we need to find out the security of the person thing
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:21 PM
we should try also to round-up as many others as we can... there must be others who will see this as a way.
Joshua
7:22 PM
if this works for me i have so many people who would follow
7:22 PM
they are all waiting for me
7:22 PM
i am the guinee pig
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:23 PM
the security of the person.... i have a sneaky feeling that if we return our stuff, telling that we no longer wish to be an organism of their society, we might see this money coming to us in the mail... but i will not beg for it
7:23 PM
and i do not know that i am right
Joshua
7:24 PM
but how would that be different then anyone elses previus notices with the original method
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:24 PM
i am willing to forget about it if they are not honorable
Joshua
7:24 PM
forget about your partial ownership of canada u r crazy
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:24 PM
the difference is that they are all hanging on to their cards. they have their certificate to use the number of it
Joshua
7:27 PM
hmm
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:27 PM
i can forget about it if they are not willing do be honorable and give it. there is nothing else i could do. if they will give it, they will give it because i no longer hold the number to use fix for 96 and such... i'll need it. if they don't admit it exists, i'll have to wait until everyone else starts getting theirs, and then demand also to have mine. i can use my photocopied id
7:28 PM
but i will not demand something which could be denied... especially since having that as part of your notice would make the whole notice questionable.
Joshua
7:28 PM
i think it might work because before u even wrote that i was thinking thatà
7:29 PM
they give u that number at birth so they can say they have gave u security
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:29 PM
it's common sense. common; shared
7:29 PM
right
Joshua
7:29 PM
or acces to it
7:29 PM
so if u have no card to acces it and u dont want that card what is the other otpion
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:29 PM
then all they have to do is send it to you through your province
Joshua
7:30 PM
what do u mena through the province
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:30 PM
they send you the money through the province and the province spends it on you.. for all of your benefits.
Joshua
7:31 PM
maybe they will say if u didnt demand it they didnt have to give it
7:32 PM
maybe not the notice says u deny consent
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:32 PM
the federal government, who holds the security, as your feduciary-in-trust, sends the dividends which are accrued quarterly to the province in which you reside... they do this for us all...
Joshua
7:32 PM
that means u dont want them to have ur money either
7:33 PM
or what u said to be a member of their organization
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:33 PM
i won't mention it. if anyone gets it, i can point to that. i can say, look, he has right and also that is my right.
7:34 PM
right. everything i say is implied
Joshua
7:34 PM
bbut why not mention it it cant hurt
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:34 PM
i don't think it nessesary.
7:35 PM
i don't want to be held up with questions from the government saying, "what do you mean security of person"
Joshua
7:36 PM
so no one has tried this befrore
7:36 PM
how did rob pass by this
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:39 PM
i told a lady in red-e-carpets in fort saskatchewan that there would be a tornado in grimshaw... i told my mom there would be heroin addicts moving to her rental who would steal everything... i saw a dream of a fight that i fought and practiced until the fight.... i can see. i can really see. i think i can see that it won't hurt to not mention the security in the notice.... anyhow, why don't we make letters afterward... after we are free. if we do not receive in silence we can campaign together afterward... after we are free.
7:40 PM
and if they are going to give it, they will give it to all... and if they will not give it, we can deal with that on it's own. lets do things separately and keep things neat
Joshua
7:40 PM
sounds like a plan
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:40 PM
k
7:41 PM
i'm ready.
Joshua
7:41 PM
im ready to get ready lol
7:41 PM
i have to pay a seat belt ticket
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:42 PM
i should go and make sure that if there are others who want to do this that they can learn about it soon and be able to do a mass jump-ship
7:43 PM
if there are many it could be newsworthy
Joshua
7:43 PM
if i could tell one story where this has worked for me in any way i would have so many people followà
7:43 PM
by no one wants to beleive it untill they see it
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:44 PM
lets make this work then. because i got a whole bunch of people i would like to help turn into human-beings.
Joshua
7:45 PM
they are already human beings just they are human beings with attached persons who have rules and duties
7:45 PM
sea monsters
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:45 PM
lol
Joshua
7:46 PM
i could see the fall of all the current lawyers coming
7:46 PM
can*
7:47 PM
the forerigners will keep them afloat for a bit
7:47 PM
asnew people enter the country and are unaware of the movement
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:47 PM
i can see a beast rising up out of the sea. i can see them hating the whore and making her desolate.
7:48 PM
yeah... scary
Joshua
7:48 PM
exciting
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:48 PM
yeah.
Joshua
7:49 PM
anyways im gunna go smoke a cigarette and crash i gotta work in the morning
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:50 PM
you mind-reader,\ that's close to what i was going to say.
Joshua
7:50 PM
great minds think alike
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:50 PM
have a good night buddy.
7:50 PM
yeah. i'm gonna go post this bro.
Joshua
7:50 PM
ya u 2, hope we get some good responses on the forum posts
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:50 PM
g'night
Joshua
7:51 PM
night
from a skype chat....
larry andrew nils: uhrig
3:54 PM
not sure... try me anytime. i'm home.
3:55 PM
i just had a nap and got up and noticed that you are here.
3:55 PM
do you want to know what i want to do as a way to leave the society...?...
3:56 PM
i got a good plan that will work well if you are interested in hearing about it and thinking about it.
3:57 PM
i'm going to do this thing in july because i'm waiting until after my mom visits...
3:59 PM
i'm going to make a simple notice... already made it actually... and return my id and certification to the old government.
4:00 PM
and that's it... no notice of understanding and intent. my understanding is none of their business and my intent will be made manifest. i need no paper to clarify my intent.
4:01 PM
all i need is to return my id and certification and that's it.
4:02 PM
if you follow the way i will do it, i recommend learning it and talking about it with me and others before committing... be sure...
4:04 PM
i will give simple notice that i return my certification as it is no longer my wish to belong to their organization... this is better than the way others are going... this will leave you with no identification except a copy of the letter you sent to the government]... you will be able to use it as id.
4:05 PM
when i do this, i will have proof that i have returned my id and revoked consent.
4:06 PM
it will be really easy for them to read it... not a stupid long winded notice telling them all the stuff you want to say and they have to sit there and what?... interpret it?...
4:06 PM
no... just a simple notice with the id glued to it.
4:07 PM
this has not been tried, but after i do it, i will show that it works fine. this will be a good path for freemen to take... if they dare.
4:12 PM
lalalalalalalalalalalala
Joshua
4:46 PM
ok sounds good, but in my situation any i.d i did once have is long gone, i have not had i.d. in years. i lost my wallet and havent gotten anything back since.so i write notice that i have lost all my government issued i.d. i do no wish to have any returned to me, i revoke consent.couldnt i just send a simple notce or revokeing consent i have remaid a very short one page notice station i am a freeman on the land, i revoke consent to be gorvened or bound by any act or statute and i live in peace......
4:47 PM
wow, sorry about the spelling i hit enter before looking it over
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:47 PM
oh yes, you can tell them you revoke consent.
4:48 PM
i did not notice
4:49 PM
you can tell them that you do not consent... of course you can do that. i won't do that in my notice as it will be implied that i revoke consent.
4:49 PM
wanna see my ... yes you do... here, ill show you my notice...
Joshua
4:49 PM
have u tried the 96 payment method
4:49 PM
ok
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:50 PM
from Larry-Andrew-Nils: Uhrig
c/o Box XX
Dease Lake, British Columbia
[V0C 1L0]
NOTICE TO ALL CONCERNED:
I, Larry-Andrew-Nils: Uhrig, do hereby return all of my societal identification, as i no longer wish to be enrolled with your organization.
I return my birth certificate, my social insurance card, my drivers license, and my passport.
thank you.
Joshua
4:51 PM
and who do you send that to i have 4 members of provincial govenment and 4 members federal, the queen and supremme court of ontario
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:51 PM
then on the bottom part of the paper, i will attatch my id... and i will photocopy the notice with the id on it... i will make many copies of that, and i will make a .....
4:52 PM
fuck it i say... i'm hand delivering the notice to my local bc access center. i will have photocopied proof.
4:53 PM
they can't touch me if i have that photocopy and also will make solemn declaration that it is true.
Joshua
4:53 PM
what is an access center i have not heard of this in ontario
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:55 PM
and the 96... i have not done... an access center is here in dease lake because it is a very remote and small community... the center has every government agency in it or a way to communicate to any agency... is also called service canada... or something... i have to get the proper name for it.
Joshua
4:56 PM
yes its probably service canada you are talking about, should i bring a witnness to deliver notice
4:58 PM
Whereas it is my understanding I Joshua XXXXXX XXXXXXX of the XXXXXXX family can claim the status of a Freeman-on-the-land: A human being in common law jurisdiction who lawfully denies or revokes consent to be represented and governed and exists completely free from all statutory restraints, obligations, restrictions and limitations, and
Whereas it is my intent to claim and live by the status of a Freeman-on-the-land: A human being in common law jurisdiction who lawfully denies or revokes consent to be represented and governed and exists completely free from all statutory restraints, obligations, restrictions and limitations, and
Whereas I claim the right to live as a Freeman-on-the-land: A human being in common law jurisdiction who lawfully denies or revokes consent to be represented and governed and exists completely free from all statutory restraints, obligations, restrictions and limitations, and
Whereas I claim the status of a Freeman-on-the-land: A human being in common law jurisdiction who lawfully denies or revokes consent to be represented and governed and exists completely free from all statutory restraints, obligations, restrictions and limitations.
Furthermore I Apply my "Fee Schedule", attached hereto my Claim of Right and marked as
Appendage "A" Part 1 and Appendage "A" Part 2, for any transgression by peace officers, government principals, agents or justice system participants or any other third party for a process or
adjudication, without express written consent from myself, in a transaction of a
security interest in the public forum of any transgression by anyone in conflict with this denial of consent.
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:58 PM
see how in my notice that i do not revoke consent, but i simply... but it simply tells that i no longer wish to belong to their organization... this is implied to mean that i revoke consent, and it is easy to see
Joshua
4:58 PM
that is my new notice
larry andrew nils: uhrig
4:59 PM
that is a nice short good notice... i like to see ones that are easy to read.
Joshua
4:59 PM
yes i was getting frusterated over the long ones
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:00 PM
for my fee scedule, i will make that all separate. i will only have to deliver that to the rcmp, but i will also hand deliver it.
Joshua
5:00 PM
what about the courts
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:00 PM
and as far as fuck the courts
5:01 PM
i won't have to go to court if i don't belong to their society
Joshua
5:01 PM
but if they get you there somehow you could make sure your covered
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:03 PM
and since i deliver a notice to the bc access center to all concerned, and the access center is for everybody to access every government thing... they will not be able to put me to court... if i do wrong, they will have to convene a .....
Joshua
5:03 PM
so if im pulled over with a simple notice like that u dont beleive they will just think i am a crazy man who sent one letter sending in their i.d. to not ÈdriveÈ
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:03 PM
no... if they get me there somehow, i can show them the photocopy of the notice i sent to the access center
Joshua
5:04 PM
to only a service canada
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:04 PM
no, i did not say they won't think you crazy... you really are going to have to be slick to pull it off
Joshua
5:04 PM
ya i could do it
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:04 PM
i'm from a small place and i will give the cops notice that i will be using a van with no plates in order to go to the dump every 2 weeks
Joshua
5:05 PM
just liking my old notice before how i could point out to the officer i have sent it to the queen the top of the governemnet and hecouldnt argue with that but ya a service canada is obligated to take care of all that stuff for me
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:05 PM
i dont recomend doing it in a big city... you could get killed...
Joshua
5:06 PM
i live in torontoà
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:06 PM
and ... yeah service canada gets your notice, they have to do something about seeing to it that you are out of their system
Joshua
5:06 PM
i cant beelive i never thought of that
5:07 PM
i have spend about 200 bucks already sending it via registered mail i was completely unhappy with my notices though
5:07 PM
in a rush
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:07 PM
and even ... but even in a big city... yeah i'm a smart one... even in a big city the cops will look at your notice and be able to read it...
5:08 PM
i ain't gonna worry about them trying to say i belong... because they have to honour this thing when it comes down to it... if they haul you around and into jail and court, they are gonna be in trouble.
Joshua
5:09 PM
you go to the acces center by urself
5:09 PM
or do u bring a witness
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:10 PM
just be polite and go with them. you don't even have to say protest and duress... if court comes it becomes obvious that you are there under protest and duress
5:11 PM
you should bring a witness. i don't want to tell you not to bring witness, especially in your case that you have no government id
5:11 PM
you have to have someone to witness who you are.
Joshua
5:11 PM
i do actually have a birth certificate
5:12 PM
how would i go about stating to my company i do not have any obligation to paying tax
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:12 PM
in my case, why would i need a witness since the lady at the counter will be witness to me there giving notice... and she only has to look at the picture on my license and passport to see that i was that person.
Joshua
5:12 PM
they arent gunna want to hire a lawyer to understand this proccess
5:13 PM
i will bring 2 witnessès
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:13 PM
about a business, lets learn that together and with the others'
5:15 PM
if i went to work for someone i wouldn't be able to cash their cheque since i won't have a bank account
Joshua
5:16 PM
is a bank account governement
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:16 PM
i am a good one to do this thing... i have no job, no welfare, no ui, no ties except my car which i will sell first to my mom
5:16 PM
i believe a bank account can only be run on the "person" but i am not certain
Joshua
5:17 PM
probably because i showed the person i.d. to get the account
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:17 PM
yeah
5:18 PM
i'm ready to roll
Joshua
5:18 PM
i am in a union so i am thinking it is there obligation to interpret my notice and inform my company of my right to not have tax deducted
5:18 PM
but now i dont know what to do about getting paid
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:19 PM
ah, a job... you can't find out from me cause i don't know about what to do there
5:19 PM
i was not in your situation with a job, so i wasn't looking into that aspect
Joshua
5:20 PM
im thinking i the human being have revoked consent to be governened bound by laws etc, there is still a person out there resmbling my name
5:20 PM
so i can still receive checks
5:20 PM
and cash in the persons name
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:21 PM
mmm. the way i am doing it, where i give back my id and totally get out, there will be no person resembling my name
Joshua
5:21 PM
but would that lead to an argumenet that i am bouncing in and out of their society and there rules
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:21 PM
this is why i have decided to leave outright
5:22 PM
i though about the argument, and i see the point of it
Joshua
5:22 PM
hmmm their must be a way
5:22 PM
i could demand being paid in cash
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:22 PM
i have a feeling that they will be forced by my decision and actions to do something they have not done before
5:23 PM
perhaps they will be forced to give me my security of person...
Joshua
5:23 PM
i would need my security if i have on employment insurance
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:23 PM
jesus said, something like... "give that thou hast to they brethren and follow me.
Joshua
5:23 PM
or access to my security
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:24 PM
jesus also said something like, give all that thou hast and you shall gain the world
Joshua
5:24 PM
hmmmà
5:25 PM
i have nothing lol
5:25 PM
but notices
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:25 PM
so i was entertaining the thought that the gov would be forced to render unto me my share of the land
5:26 PM
nobody has given back their stuff... all their id and birth certificate... we don't know what will happen yet
5:26 PM
i think they'll be forced to give me all my bond worth... and i feel that everyone thereafter will follow this path...
Joshua
5:27 PM
i could send a notice to my bank stating i have revoked consent as a human being i have no i.d. i do not wish to get any my name has changed on the account to Joshua: XXXXXXX and i could send a notice to my company to make sure the notices are made to that name as it is me
5:27 PM
that would be amazing
5:27 PM
logical too
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:28 PM
you should look into it all the way, and if you feel good about it, do.
Joshua
5:28 PM
i think you might have to demand it first though
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:28 PM
follow your heart. don't let days go by where you do not follow your heart
Joshua
5:29 PM
i follow my stomache lol
5:29 PM
i just dont wana lose my job and cant eat
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:29 PM
me, i am going without ... eat... yum yum
Joshua
5:29 PM
thats all im worried about
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:30 PM
yeah, ok, you wait untill i do this method... i think you should look into the job thing, but since i have no nor want a job, i can't get energized to look into it
Joshua
5:31 PM
hmmmm
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:31 PM
i'm going out all the way. i'm having no ties.
Joshua
5:31 PM
so i would probably have to quit if i did because i would not be able to receive checks
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:32 PM
you got to figure out a way to be able to cash cheques;;;\
Joshua
5:32 PM
why are you waiting to july
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:32 PM
you gotta ask this in the forums... this is good question...
Joshua
5:33 PM
what forums would u ask that in
5:33 PM
i have not been able to use the forums succesfully yet
5:33 PM
not sure where to go
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:34 PM
im waiting because my mom comes up in july... i live in her house... i was wanting to wait till she left, and then i could do it... just incase the cops decide to use my notice as a cue to detain me. i doubt this, but this is a new road, and who can say
Joshua
5:35 PM
i am thinking of taking a side trail that eventually leads to your road
5:35 PM
do mine in steps
5:35 PM
i am gunna send a notice to my bank
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:35 PM
ok, the forums are problematic right now... cant post in the forums... only the public forums.... http://for um.worldfr eemansocie ty.org/
5:36 PM
but here are a good forum where many people go... http://www .davidicke .com/forum /
5:37 PM
the david icke forums... the freeman-on-the-land forum
Joshua
5:37 PM
stating i am joshua of the xxxxxx family not XXXXXX XXXXXXX i have revoked all consent to the government, i will still be receiveing checks and they will be in my proper fmaily name
5:37 PM
and i will send notice to my union stating the same and a copy of my affidavit of truth
5:38 PM
they have to do the rest from their as they represeant me the worker
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:38 PM
joshua. ask in the forums if you can do that... there are very many smart people there... don't neglect the david icke forums either because there are tons of people who go there to help
Joshua
5:38 PM
to ensure i get paid appropriatly
5:39 PM
ok
5:39 PM
is david ike the one with the tax videos
5:39 PM
the millionaire guy
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:39 PM
this job thing and whether you can get paid as a freeman is a heavy-duty topic
Joshua
5:40 PM
i should be able to get paid for my services
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:40 PM
david icke is the one who says the queen is a twelve-foot shape-shifting-lizzard from outer space.
Joshua
5:40 PM
but they give me govenemtn bank notes
5:40 PM
oh him lol
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:41 PM
and he is also the antiterrorist
5:41 PM
believe it or not
Joshua
5:41 PM
rele
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:41 PM
yes
5:42 PM
he uses a voice changer
Joshua
5:42 PM
i will bring this topic up as their might be arguement saying i cant receive goernemnet bank notes and maybe only gold
5:42 PM
for my services as a worker
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:43 PM
yeah, there has to be a way because you have rights to work.. the thing is that most employers are totally embroiled within the current system
Joshua
5:43 PM
my company especcially
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:43 PM
so it will be a haul to get them over to our way.
Joshua
5:44 PM
but it is a union company and unions are suppost to repreasent the worker in all ways, but is the worker a person the the union or a human being thats the question
5:44 PM
maybe the union wont reckognize my status
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:45 PM
you go slow. wait till you know. .... yeah, that's what you have to find out...
5:45 PM
inquire
5:45 PM
if possible]\
5:45 PM
at your work place
Joshua
5:45 PM
i was thinking of this already i wokr demiliition so my company has to deal with bylaws and acts all the time , so if they went my way they wouldnt be bound by the bylaws and acts so they could do whatever they want
5:45 PM
but that would lead to every company doing this
5:46 PM
wich would ruin the country
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:46 PM
you would have to be paid throug private-contract.
Joshua
5:46 PM
buildings being build not under coees and regualtuions
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:46 PM
ahh
5:46 PM
yes
Joshua
5:47 PM
everyone would be skipping stps to save a dollar
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:48 PM
when you build a dwelling, you must be sure it is safe... otherwise you are liable... freeman or no... an unsafe dwelling is like a trap set for a person, and a freeman can't build unsafe dwellings. he will be liable in common law for damages caused
Joshua
5:49 PM
hmmmmm
5:49 PM
good point
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:49 PM
there will always be the common-law and we can't hurt others. also we can't use fraud in our contracts otherwise we are also liable.
5:50 PM
so if we build an unsafe dwelling, the only remedy in the sale would be full disclosure
Joshua
5:50 PM
another good point
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:50 PM
then the freeman would be right in selling an unsafe dwelling
5:51 PM
it's mostly common sense.
5:52 PM
i'm going to go slam 4 raw eggs... back in 2 min
Joshua
5:53 PM
what if a freeman built an unsafe dwelling but was un aware it was unsafe
5:53 PM
i guess make a contract staing
5:53 PM
the fremman is not liable
5:53 PM
as he has built it as safe as he knows
5:55 PM
and yes a provate contract that is what i am gunna do with my bank and company
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:56 PM
can you do a private contract with a bank... i would like to know... this is interesting... i would like to keep a bank account,,, rob menard has no bank account...
Joshua
5:57 PM
i dont know
5:57 PM
somone must be able to cash ur cheque using notarized i.d.
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:57 PM
if you go asking at a forum, keep this chat open to see all the things you can ask
Joshua
5:58 PM
oh i will be posting some questions thats for sure
larry andrew nils: uhrig
5:58 PM
they have that real-id act... that is something to do with ... perhaps you can have real id and also be free of government
Joshua
5:59 PM
havent heard of that act
notarized should be real
6:00 PM
fuck my company has me working out of town and they bought a house for us to live in during the week, so i live with all suppervisors so i have to go outside to smoke and its cold here
ya so im gunna send my notcice of status and start from there
6:20 PM
im gunna write on it i have no i;d i have lost it all
6:20 PM
so i have none to return , and i do not wish to have any more i do not want nor need it
6:20 PM
i revoke consent
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:20 PM
the freemen are starting a store... check it out... they will sell weed... http://fre emancafe.o rg/tiki-re ad_article .php?artic leId=3
Joshua
6:20 PM
nice nice
6:21 PM
i have to work out this bankécheque issue
6:21 PM
im pretty sure the union will deal with my problems
6:21 PM
regarding payment from my company
6:22 PM
so do u think im safe with my noitces of status
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:23 PM
what do you mean safe with your notices of status... take your time, i'm not going anywhere
Joshua
6:25 PM
i mean if i am traveling in my unregistered vehicle in a deregistered vehicle is a copy of this affidavit good enough to proof my status
6:25 PM
will i need notarized i.d.
6:28 PM
i have not received i.d. from the worldfreemansoiciety
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:30 PM
oh... i don't know. we have to find out, and if you volunteer to do it, i'm sure we will all enjoy learning... i would use... i will use a copy of the notice i send with my id on it... this will be good, but you should have to ... yes... have a copy of the notice you send and whatever accompanys your notice... this means your affidavit as well..... i believe that it should work, yes.... you cannot be compelled to belong to an organization -united declaration of human-rights/.
6:31 PM
also the canadian charter of rights and freedoms... freedom of .... hang on
6:33 PM
freedom of association
6:35 PM
the problem is not whether you can lawfully do this... the problem is that a police officer may become confused and angry or insane... he could detain you and assault you... that's the problem...
6:35 PM
the judge won't be a problem either... just the cop.
Joshua
6:38 PM
i hope he assaults me
6:38 PM
then i apply my fee schedual
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:39 PM
be polite and try to have witnesses
Joshua
6:39 PM
of course
6:39 PM
hmmmà
6:40 PM
im thhinking now maybe i should get i.d. then revoke it
6:40 PM
i like how u have a photo copy of urs
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:40 PM
i believe the fee shedule should be done separately as a notice you can post, or as a notice you can also deliver to the police in your area. they should know who you are and you should have a way for them to know ... a freeman plate
6:41 PM
there you go. get id first
6:41 PM
duh
6:41 PM
why didn't i think of that
Joshua
6:42 PM
lol
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:42 PM
but, yes... you are one smart cookie
Joshua
6:43 PM
ahahaha,
6:43 PM
i try
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:44 PM
do it... do get all your id, so that you can make a notice just like me
6:44 PM
we can be like jesus and john
6:44 PM
lol
Joshua
6:44 PM
lol
6:45 PM
im pretty sure i could work around the payment issue thats my only problem now
6:46 PM
check around on the forums
6:46 PM
ya i defiatly like ur idea
6:46 PM
then when they ask for i.d. i al least show a copy of it along with the notices
6:47 PM
there should be nothing else i need to do
6:47 PM
no a
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:48 PM
yeah... that's your only problem because you can use the same notice i use. stick your id on the notice, photocopy it a thousand times... put it into safe places... viola... freeman id forever... until proper id comes along...
Joshua
6:49 PM
yes i like it an all in one package
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:49 PM
so now seriously... look at my notice, and put your name on it... do you know that in the 1949 ballantines law dictionary the word human-being, is given no other definition than "see monster"
Joshua
6:50 PM
lol
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:51 PM
joshua
6:52 PM
lets find out about how we can handle money as freemen.
Joshua
6:53 PM
yes that is a big issue
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:53 PM
joshua.... lets post this conversation into a forum. lets invite the others. some will like this. what do you think...?
Joshua
6:54 PM
ya for sure
6:54 PM
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:54 PM
ok
Joshua
6:54 PM
well u know the places to post better then me
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:56 PM
i'll post it at the icke forums in the freeman section and in the public forums in the wfs... i'll just take the good bits about the topics we discussed and leave out the small-talk
6:57 PM
i'll change your name to freemansoon1 and i will be larry andrew nils: uhrig
Joshua
6:57 PM
yeah send me the links so i can see the input
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:58 PM
i will tomorrow.
Joshua
6:58 PM
u can use joshua i dont care
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:58 PM
k'
Joshua
6:59 PM
how did u come up with ur idea
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:59 PM
it all makes sence though eh?... once you learn the law, and know the way, you don't need to tell them you learned the law or know the way.
Joshua
6:59 PM
just thought about it
larry andrew nils: uhrig
6:59 PM
i prayed
6:59 PM
actually, i prayed before i found this society
7:00 PM
to the one in my heart that i knew from the beginning
7:01 PM
the one who knew of me before i was mae
7:08 PM
i thought long and i studied well. i saw so soon that i was free. am free now. i thought about all the ways... i thought about jesus' saying, "give that thine hast to thy brethren and thy fellowservants... i didn't even believe in jesus until after that thought... there were a series of revelations actually... i saw that jesus is a symbol who is also hermes and thoth. i read the emerald tablets of thoth and i saw that the bible story genesis and exodus took place in space, not on earth....
7:12 PM
bit crazy hey?...
7:13 PM
i got a flying saucer at a patent office... no patent, but no one else can own... they can only make public property by effing around somehow
7:14 PM
but i would like to give to the society and all members.
Joshua
7:01 PM
thats brilliant
7:02 PM
what does robert manard think of ur method
7:04 PM
maybe i should add on ur notice any identification i used to have i have lost
7:04 PM
and do not wish to receive any in returnà
7:05 PM
like my health insurace card
7:05 PM
i dont need to re apply to revoke consent
7:05 PM
im just gunna do it with my driver
7:05 PM
licence
7:06 PM
or actually it would be nice to have my health insurace
7:06 PM
card on it
7:06 PM
th
7:07 PM
then i could use a copy of my notice at a hpospital if i need
7:09 PM
i want to make a binder or something with all my collected information in it and my notiices sent or not
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:15 PM
it is a wheel within a wheel. it has fins, and the wheel on the outside is thinner, but these wheels spin counter to one another... it's gonna be huge.
7:17 PM
your drivers license, your health card... get your sin again so that you have that number right there on the photocopy of your notice.
Joshua
7:17 PM
genius
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:18 PM
robert menard is very much a genius, but he said it himself... those who stand on the shoulders of giants can reach further.
7:20 PM
try to do this as soon as possible
Joshua
7:20 PM
i am going to
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:20 PM
im a go by july 16 or so.
Joshua
7:20 PM
then we need to find out the security of the person thing
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:21 PM
we should try also to round-up as many others as we can... there must be others who will see this as a way.
Joshua
7:22 PM
if this works for me i have so many people who would follow
7:22 PM
they are all waiting for me
7:22 PM
i am the guinee pig
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:23 PM
the security of the person.... i have a sneaky feeling that if we return our stuff, telling that we no longer wish to be an organism of their society, we might see this money coming to us in the mail... but i will not beg for it
7:23 PM
and i do not know that i am right
Joshua
7:24 PM
but how would that be different then anyone elses previus notices with the original method
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:24 PM
i am willing to forget about it if they are not honorable
Joshua
7:24 PM
forget about your partial ownership of canada u r crazy
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:24 PM
the difference is that they are all hanging on to their cards. they have their certificate to use the number of it
Joshua
7:27 PM
hmm
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:27 PM
i can forget about it if they are not willing do be honorable and give it. there is nothing else i could do. if they will give it, they will give it because i no longer hold the number to use fix for 96 and such... i'll need it. if they don't admit it exists, i'll have to wait until everyone else starts getting theirs, and then demand also to have mine. i can use my photocopied id
7:28 PM
but i will not demand something which could be denied... especially since having that as part of your notice would make the whole notice questionable.
Joshua
7:28 PM
i think it might work because before u even wrote that i was thinking thatà
7:29 PM
they give u that number at birth so they can say they have gave u security
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:29 PM
it's common sense. common; shared
7:29 PM
right
Joshua
7:29 PM
or acces to it
7:29 PM
so if u have no card to acces it and u dont want that card what is the other otpion
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:29 PM
then all they have to do is send it to you through your province
Joshua
7:30 PM
what do u mena through the province
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:30 PM
they send you the money through the province and the province spends it on you.. for all of your benefits.
Joshua
7:31 PM
maybe they will say if u didnt demand it they didnt have to give it
7:32 PM
maybe not the notice says u deny consent
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:32 PM
the federal government, who holds the security, as your feduciary-in-trust, sends the dividends which are accrued quarterly to the province in which you reside... they do this for us all...
Joshua
7:32 PM
that means u dont want them to have ur money either
7:33 PM
or what u said to be a member of their organization
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:33 PM
i won't mention it. if anyone gets it, i can point to that. i can say, look, he has right and also that is my right.
7:34 PM
right. everything i say is implied
Joshua
7:34 PM
bbut why not mention it it cant hurt
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:34 PM
i don't think it nessesary.
7:35 PM
i don't want to be held up with questions from the government saying, "what do you mean security of person"
Joshua
7:36 PM
so no one has tried this befrore
7:36 PM
how did rob pass by this
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:39 PM
i told a lady in red-e-carpets in fort saskatchewan that there would be a tornado in grimshaw... i told my mom there would be heroin addicts moving to her rental who would steal everything... i saw a dream of a fight that i fought and practiced until the fight.... i can see. i can really see. i think i can see that it won't hurt to not mention the security in the notice.... anyhow, why don't we make letters afterward... after we are free. if we do not receive in silence we can campaign together afterward... after we are free.
7:40 PM
and if they are going to give it, they will give it to all... and if they will not give it, we can deal with that on it's own. lets do things separately and keep things neat
Joshua
7:40 PM
sounds like a plan
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:40 PM
k
7:41 PM
i'm ready.
Joshua
7:41 PM
im ready to get ready lol
7:41 PM
i have to pay a seat belt ticket
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:42 PM
i should go and make sure that if there are others who want to do this that they can learn about it soon and be able to do a mass jump-ship
7:43 PM
if there are many it could be newsworthy
Joshua
7:43 PM
if i could tell one story where this has worked for me in any way i would have so many people followà
7:43 PM
by no one wants to beleive it untill they see it
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:44 PM
lets make this work then. because i got a whole bunch of people i would like to help turn into human-beings.
Joshua
7:45 PM
they are already human beings just they are human beings with attached persons who have rules and duties
7:45 PM
sea monsters
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:45 PM
lol
Joshua
7:46 PM
i could see the fall of all the current lawyers coming
7:46 PM
can*
7:47 PM
the forerigners will keep them afloat for a bit
7:47 PM
asnew people enter the country and are unaware of the movement
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:47 PM
i can see a beast rising up out of the sea. i can see them hating the whore and making her desolate.
7:48 PM
yeah... scary
Joshua
7:48 PM
exciting
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:48 PM
yeah.
Joshua
7:49 PM
anyways im gunna go smoke a cigarette and crash i gotta work in the morning
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:50 PM
you mind-reader,\ that's close to what i was going to say.
Joshua
7:50 PM
great minds think alike
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:50 PM
have a good night buddy.
7:50 PM
yeah. i'm gonna go post this bro.
Joshua
7:50 PM
ya u 2, hope we get some good responses on the forum posts
larry andrew nils: uhrig
7:50 PM
g'night
Joshua
7:51 PM
night