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synergy777

09-10-2007, 11:51 PM

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His wisdom will be great. He will make atonement for all the children of His generation...His Word shall be as the Word of Heaven and His teaching shall be according to the will of God. His eternal sun shall burn brilliantly and its fire will give warmth to all the ends of the earth."
- The Words of Levi 4Q541 Frag. 9 1.2-4

The Jesus of Theology

325 C.E. marks a pivotal event in the history of Christianity. The Roman emperor Constantine I summoned more than 250 bishops to Nicea in Turkey to resolve a rancorous dispute which was threatening to disrupt the newly won peace of his empire. While all the bishops agreed that Jesus was the Son of God, they disagreed on whether he had existed with God before the beginning of time (as the Alexandrians believed); or had been created later and was subordinate to God (a position popularized by Arius of Antioch).

Constantine, still an unbaptized pagan at the time, decided in favor of the pre-existence of Jesus. In addition he demanded that the bishops add to the creed (drawn up by Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea) that Christ was "of one substance" (homoousion in Greek) with the Father. It was theologically necessary that God himself had become mortal in order to make the hope that mortals may obtain eternal life more believable. Under pressure of banishment, the council agreed with only two dissenting votes. The true nature of the Son of God was now an ineffable mystery beyond human understanding.

The Jesus of History

Through the intervening centuries between then and now, the Nicene creed has remained the basic and unassailable doctrine of Christian faith. Jesus' sacrificial death gave man the key to salvation and his teachings and deeds were of secondary importance. It is only in modern times that any serious attempts have been made to learn about the Jesus of history. Somewhere between the messianic expectations of the Jews and the high christology of Paul was a real person who breathed and ate and was concerned with the daily tasks of living like the rest of us. Yet he made a profound impact on others, enough to gain a devoted, even fanatical, following and to earn the enmity of those who would engineer his death.

The Real Jesus? is a critical examination into the life and times of Jesus. If we dare to look truthfully through the accumulated centuries of obfuscation and mystery, what will we uncover about Jesus the man? What did he really say and do? And, more importantly, is there anything we can learn from the historical Jesus that will give us a new perspective on our lives today?

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Ancient Traditions of the Messiah
The Annointed One
(1) Descendents of Aaron

"The word 'Messiah' comes from the Hebrew verb 'to anoint', which itself is derived from the Egyptian word messeh, 'the holy crocodile'. It was with the fat of the messeh that the Pharaoh's sister-brides anointed their husbands on marriage. The Egyptian custom sprang from kingly practice in old Mesopotamia."
- Sir Laurence Gardner, "The Hidden History of Jesus and the Holy Grail" (from a lecture given at the Ranch, Yelm, Washington, 30 April 1997)

"Remarkably and characteristically, the term Mashiah - of which 'Messiah' is the Anglicized form - had preceded the Messianic concept by many centuries. Originally, in Biblical usage, it simply meant 'anointed', and referred to Aaron and his sons, who were anointed with oil and thereby consecrated to the service of God."
- Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"And you shall put them upon Aaron your brother, and upon his sons with him, and shall anoint them and ordain them and consecrate them, that they may serve me as priests."
- Exodus 28:41

"The legitimacy of the priesthood...was supposed to descend lineally from Aaron through the Tribe of Levi. Thus, throughout the Old Testament, the priesthood is the unique preserve of the Levites. The Levite high priests who attend David and Solomon are referred to as 'Zadok'- though it is not clear whether this is a personal name or an hereditary title."
- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

Zadok or Sadduc means "Righteous One" and is symbolized by TZADDIK - one of the two pillars which, according to Knight and Lomas, stood at the doorway to Qumran). Two gigantic bronze pillars flanked the entrance to the Temple of Solomon.

"The doorway was created by the pillars of 'tsedeq' ['righteousness' - always doing good to others] and mishpat' ['judgment'- divinely appointed order] with the holy arch of 'shalom' ['peace' - prosperity, success, general well-being]."

"When these two spiritual pillars are in place with the Teacher of Righteousness (tsedeq) on the left hand of God and the earthly Davidic King (mishpat) on his right hand, the archway of Yahweh's rule will be in place with the keystone of 'shalom' locking everything together at its center.
"It was clear from our readings that 'tsedeq' was for Canaanites a term associated with the sun god. The Canaanite sun god was seen as the great judge who watched over the world, righted wrongs and shone light unto the dark doings of hidden crimes."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

more at the above link.

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The Messianic Elite

The Communities of the Scrolls

(1) The Habakkuk Pesher
The Wicked Priest

"The city is Jerusalem in which the wicked priest did works of abomination and defiled the Temple of God."
- lQpHab 12.7-9

The Habakkuk Pesher "describes the struggle between the Teacher of Righteousness and his opponents - the Man of Lies (termed the Spouter or Preacher of Lies) and the Wicked Priest. The Spouter is pictured as heading a community. The dispute between the Teacher and the Spouter is seems to have been based on matters of religious interpretation and law. The Wicked Priest is said to have begun his rule in truth but then to have abandoned the way of truth. He then persecutes the Teacher, confronting him on the holiest day of the year, the Day of Atonement."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls

Outcasts in the Desert
"After they failed in their initial attempts, exemplified by the Halakhic Letter, to reconcile and win over the Hasmoneans and the remaining Jerusalem Sadducees to their own system of Temple practice, the Qumran Zadokites gradually developed the sectarian mentality of the despised, rejected, and abandoned outcast. Accordingly, they began to look upon themselves as the true Israel, condemning and despising all others."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, "Origin and Early History of the Qumran Sect"

"That priestly led group withdrew from Jerusalem's Temple to a 'monastery' on the Dead Sea's northwest coast, judging that the Temple was polluted after the usurpation of the high priesthood by the Hasmonean rulers, Jonathan and Simon, between 152 and 134 B.C.E."
- John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus, The Life of a Mediterranean Peasant (1991)

more at the link also.

auron

09-10-2007, 11:59 PM

"Jesus" is here!!

He/she are all chllin together now!

Yes. Jesus was "The Man".

:D

synergy777

10-10-2007, 12:09 AM

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El "was known as the Creator God, the Kindly One, the Compassionate One. He expressed the concept of ordered government and social justice. It is noteworthy that the Bible never stigmatizes the Canaanite worship of El, whose authority in social affairs was recognized by the Patriarchs. His consort was Asherah, the mother goddess, represented in Canaanite sanctuaries by a natural or stylized tree (Hebrew ashera).
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

In Canaan, the king "is described as 'the Servant of El', as King David was 'the Servant of God'. This describes the status of the king as the executive of the will of the divine king. This duty is understood to be a privilege as well as a burden."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

"All names like Ishmael, Michael and Israel are theophoric in form - that is to say, the suffix element (-ilu or -el) represents a divine name, in this case the paramount god El. But during the reign of Ebrum, Dr Pettinato noted a change in the theophoric element, from -el to -ya(w), so that Mi-ka-ilu became Mi-ka-ya(w) and so on. It is quite clear that both of the endings are divine names, either names of gods or words simply meaning 'god'; so it looks as if Ebrum made some major alteration in the religion of Ebla at this time. Whether -ya(w) is related to the Biblical Yahweh, the one God of Israel whose name replace the earlier form of El, is a matter for debate..."
- Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

"We sometimes find the most surprising survival of Canaanite mythology in monotheistic Israel. An example is the conception of God as president of a court of the gods, bene'el, whether thought of as a divine guild or as the divine family, 'el here of course of a proper name, El (God) the King Paramount. The psalm in Deuteronomy 32 begins by rating Israel for her lapses from the faith and ends with the assurance of the destruction of her enemies. The history of Israel is depicted as originating in the apportionment of Israel to her God Yahweh by the Most High in the assembly of 'the sons of El' (so the ancient Greek version for the meaningless Hebrew 'the sons of Israel', a desperate effort to avoid embarrassment). The date of this poem is a matter of dispute. The condemnation of Israel's gross apostasy, the statement of the divine chastisement and particularly the assurance of relief and the affliction of her enemies is reminiscent of the framework of the narratives of the great Judges in Judges 3:7-12:6, which may be dated c.900 B.C. Deuteronomy 32:8 f then represents the first stage of the Israelite adaptation of the conception of God's presidency of the divine court from Canaanite mythology. The conception of God simply as first among divine peers was not one with which Israel could remain long content, and was soon countered by the specific rebuke of the divine court."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

"God has taken His place in the assembly of the gods (lit. 'sons of El'),
He declares His judgment among the gods: '
How long will you give crooked judgment,
and favor the wicked?
You ought to sustain the case of the weak and the orphan;
You ought to vindicate the destitute and down-trodden
You ought to rescue the weak and the poor,
To deliver them from the power of the wicked
You (Hebrew 'they') walk in darkness
While all earth's foundations are giving away.
I declare 'Gods you may be,
Sons of the Most high, all of you;
Yet you shall die as men,
You shall fall as one of the bright ones."
- Psalm 82:1-7

"In the final line we read sharim for sarim ('princes'), from which it is indistinguishable in the Hebrew manuscripts, and find another reference to the fall of Athtar the bright Venus star in Isaiah 14:12 ff and in the myth of Baal."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

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Yahweh, the God of Israel

"In the Middle Bronze age, groups of Canaanites moved into northern Egypt and established a local dynasty called the Hyksos, who eventually took over the whole of Egypt. Only in the Late Bronze Age, in about 1550 BC, did the Egyptian pharaohs expel the Hyksos, launch a military campaign against Canaan, and bring it under Egyptian control. Egypt imposed heavy taxes on Canaan, but in return the Canaanite cities gained security and better access to international markets. In the reign of Ramses II (1304-1237 BC), the empire was reorganized. Key strategic cities like Beth Shan and Gaza were strengthened, others were allowed to decline. Many people were made homeless and migrated to the Judean hill country, where they established small farming settlements. These dispossessed Canaanites, known to the Egyptians as Hapiru (or Hebrews), formed the basis of what was to become Israel."
- Bible Lands

"...A popular theory among Biblical scholars today is that Israel emerged from peoples indigenous to Canaan in the mid 12th century BC. If this is true, then Biblical history and chronology prior to ca. 1150 BC would have to be jettisoned. Proponents of the '12th century emergence theory' maintain that the Israelites did not come into Canaan from outside to conquer the land around 1400 BC, as the Bible indicates. The emergence scenario would also reject the historicity of the Wilderness Wanderings, Exodus, Egyptian Sojourn and the Patriarchal narratives. However, if Israel were an established entity in Canaan already in 1210 BC, as the Merneptah Stela implies, then the 12th century emergence theory would be refuted (Bimson 1991, 'Merenptah's Israel and recent Theories of Israelite Origins'. Journal for the Study of the Old Testament 49: 3-29). If Israel was well established by the end of the 13th century, it could not have come into being in the middle of the next century."
- Bryant G. Wood of Associates for Biblical Research, "The Merneptah Stela"

"....Israel was initially an association of villages in the Bethel and Samaria hills from about 1230 BCE. This group of people possessed oral traditions about a common ancestor, Jacob, and stories about the struggles of tribal leaders with Canaanite cities (cp. Genesis 34, Judges 4-5 and 9, and possibly Joshua 9 and 12). The villages may also have been united by faith in Yahweh, who had delivered the ancestors of some of those now settled in Canaan from slavery in Egypt. Among these people there was probably a group who were custodians of the stories about the Exodus and who observed the Passover. Judah was a separate entity with traditions about an ancestor, Abraham, who had settled in the Hebron area, and traditions about tribal leaders who had fought against Canaanite cities (cp. Judges 1: 11-17, and possibly Joshua 10). We are not suggesting that the traditions as now written down in the Old Testament are identical with their oral form or content in the period 1230 to 1050 BCE."
- John Rogerson and Philip Davies, The Old Testament World

The Protoindo European god Yayash, Yaë or Yave, a protective god whose symbol was a tree, signifying possibly '"walking", "going", "a pilgrim", has been dated back to the Indus River valley, circa 2900 B.C.E. He has been identified with the Turko Syrian Yahveh, a "sacred animal or organization".

"Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush."

"A shorter form, 'Yah', was also used (Exodus 15:2) and some scholars believe that this is the older form, originating in an exclamation to God - 'Yah!' - which came to be accepted as the divine name. Others claim that it is from the root 'hayah', 'to be' or 'to become', and that it meant 'I am that I am' or I will be that I will be'. According to one tradition of the call of Moses, the divine name Yahweh was revealed to him in Egypt:"
- Great Events of Bible Times

"To Abraham, Isaac and Jacob I appeared as El Shaddai, but I did not make the name Yahweh known to them'."
- Exodus 6:3

"Every Egyptian magician...believed that he who possessed the true name possessed the very being of god or man, and could force even a deity to obey him as a slave obeys his master. Thus the art of the magician consisted in obtaining from the gods a revelation of their sacred names, and he left no stone unturned to accomplish his end."
- Sir James Frazer, The Golden Bough

"God instructed Moses that he should return to Egypt in order to lead his people out of their bondage there. Before agreeing, however, the prophet asked the name of the strange and powerful being who had addressed him ['in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush']....The Lord, however did not respond directly to the prophet's question. Instead he replied briefly and enigmatically with these words: "I AM WHO I AM'. By way of further clarification he then added: 'I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob' [Exodus 3:14 and 3:6]."
- Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal

"To the Hebrew mind the 'name' stands for 'nature', and in answer to Moses' plea to be given an immediate sight of God, God promises to reveal just as much of his 'nature' that mortal man could bear."
- Marshall Cavendish, Genesis & Exodus

In Exodus "God was no longer simply 'El' (plural 'Elohim'), but YHWH ('I am that I am'), which in the Authorized Version was transliterated as 'Jehovah' by combining the Hebrew consonants and the vowels of the Hebrew word for 'Lord' when excessive reverence had made later Jews reluctant to pronounce the divine name itself, nowadays called Yahweh. The covenant with Yahweh elevated the concept of worship from a hopeful appeasement of the willful and haphazard forces of nature to a dynamic and determined arrangement with none other than the sole creator of the universe." - Magnus Magnusson, BC - The Archaeology of the Bible Lands

"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family: Y represented El the Father; H was Asherah the Mother; W corresponded to He the Son; and H was the Daughter Anath."
- Laurence Gardner, Bloodline of the Holy Grail, p. 18

"When all the people witnessed the thunder and lighting, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking, they were afraid and trembled and stood at a distance..."
- Exodus 20:18

"As specifically the name of the Covenant God, it was thereafter used of the Israelite deity, often in contrast with the gods of other peoples. With the Covenant, Yahweh had adopted Israel as his people and, as a jealous god, demanded total allegiance from them. They were to worship no other god but Yahweh. Much later, the Jewish exiles in Babylon were given an explicit statement of Yahwistic monotheism. 'I am Yahweh, and there is no other, there is no other god but me'(Isaiah 45:5)."
- Great Events of Bible Times

synergy777

10-10-2007, 12:15 AM

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/messiah.html

An New Eschatology

The "Evil One"
"After the Exile of the Jewish people and later through contacts with Jews of the Diaspora in many parts of the Mediterranean world, Zoroastrian concepts influenced Jewish thought. Certain ideas about last things, salvation, and Satan (the Evil One) stem from Zoroastrianism."
- Ninian Smart, The Religious Experience of Mankind

"The Babylonian Captivity had exposed the Jews to the Zoroastrian pantheon, with its good gods headed by Ahura Mazda ('God of Light' [more correctly 'Lord of Wisdom']) and its bad god headed by Ahura Manah or Ahriman ('God of Darkness' [Ahriman is Pahlavi for Angra Mainyu - 'Deceitful Spirit']). This led to the belief that the prolonged overlordship that outlasted the captivity was the fault of the bad gods, rebel messengers who has refused to obey Yahweh's orders.

"Alternative versions of the seraphs' original disobedience were postulated, the most popular being that they were the sons of the gods who had sired the giants by illegally recreating with mortal women. Such rebels had to have a leader, and since the concept of a divine antagonist, a Jewish Ahriman, had been assimilated before there was any speculation as to the antagonist's identity, he was simply styled the Enemy (ha-stan). The first reference to the Enemy as a male in Jewish mythology was made by Zechariah in 520 BCE."
- William Harwood, Mythologies Last Gods: Yahweh and Jesus

The War Between Good and Evil

"The central importance of the king of Judah was demonstrated in their New Year rituals, which followed Egyptian and Babylonian models. Some of the most important ritual acts were intended to ensure that the king continued to rule, an example of this being a re-enactment by the king of the original battle of the triumph of the forces of light over the forces of darkness and chaos. The king and his priests chanted the 'Enuma elish' - the story that tells how the chaos-dragon Tiamat was overcome to allow the creation to take place."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

The Suffering Servant

"Behold, My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect whom My soul wanteth: I have put My spirit upon him; he shall send out justice to the nations."
-Isaiah 42:1 (Deutero-Isaiah 5th c. BCE)

"This great poet-prophet (Deutero-Isaiah) spoke repeatedly about the 'Servant of the Lord', describing the call, mission, sufferings, death and resurrection of this mysterious individual."
-Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. "
-Isaiah 53:3-6 (Deutero-Isaiah 5th c. BCE)

synergy777

10-10-2007, 12:17 AM

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/elite.html

Outcasts in the Desert
"After they failed in their initial attempts, exemplified by the Halakhic Letter, to reconcile and win over the Hasmoneans and the remaining Jerusalem Sadducees to their own system of Temple practice, the Qumran Zadokites gradually developed the sectarian mentality of the despised, rejected, and abandoned outcast. Accordingly, they began to look upon themselves as the true Israel, condemning and despising all others."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, "Origin and Early History of the Qumran Sect"

"That priestly led group withdrew from Jerusalem's Temple to a 'monastery' on the Dead Sea's northwest coast, judging that the Temple was polluted after the usurpation of the high priesthood by the Hasmonean rulers, Jonathan and Simon, between 152 and 134 B.C.E."
- John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus, The Life of a Mediterranean Peasant (1991)

References to withdrawing into the "wilderness" may have been meant allegorically. At any rate the destination could not have been Qumran.

"It is most likely that the descendants of Zerubbabel and his inner group known as the Hasidim left Jerusalem sometime between 187 BC and 152 BC."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"The sectarians saw themselves as living a pristine life like that of the Israelites in the period of desert wandering. Further, they saw themselves as having gone into the desert to receive the Torah, just as Israel had in the period of the Exodus. All this is to be expected from a group that had left the more thickly settled areas of Judea to relocate in the wilderness, there to maintain its own standards of sanctity and purity."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, "Origin and Early History of the Qumran Sect"

Teacher of Righteousness
"It appears that during an initial period-perhaps of twenty years-the sect was leaderless and perhaps even formless until the Teacher of Righteousness established his leadership over it."
- Lawrence H. Schiffman, "Origin and Early History of the Qumran Sect"

This information appears in the Damascus Document - Geniza manuscript A 1.4-10. (More on the Righteous Teacher can also be found at this link.)

"From pertinent hints and suggestions in both the Pesher and the Covenant, it appears that the Teacher began his oppositional career by preaching against the Jerusalem establishment, whom he accused of deceit, graft, exploitation of the poor, and failure to understand the true meaning of the prophetic writings.quot;
- Norman Golb, Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?, (1995) p. 91

synergy777

10-10-2007, 12:20 AM

auron i have tried to get the best bits of each page. it shows us the real jesus/yashuah/yhwh and is completely different to the one elite try to con us with.

if he was alive today he would be with us, an outcaste of society, an opponent of the elite/clergy. he would be the ultimate rebel/teacher, anti establishment and egalitarian.

auron

10-10-2007, 12:31 AM

Believe it or not...

Jesus just wanted peace on earth; for everybody.

That's the kinda guy that gets things done!! :)

He loves all the jokes too. :D

Mo0n5tar

10-10-2007, 12:32 AM

Nice link i have been using it in my avatar over @unhived mind for the AVbelievers perusal, certainly fascinates me this period in time, read some good stuff in the Hiram Key a while back about the Mandeaens, early Jerusalem church, Yehshua and his brother James the just, egtting even a basic account of the history at that time throws the light on the, imo questionable, mythology of Jesus Christ, alot of interesting stuff on the egyptian mysteries and Yeshuah being an initiate of these mysteries.

RZA actually throws a lot of light on this subject in him RZArecting the "mentally dead" see intro to "Twelve Jewels", indeed the resurrection is symbolically represented in occult practices today.

Been checking out a little of the Amarna period in Egypt, relating it to roots of the old testament etc seeing if any of it fits whether Pharoes wrote the bible, whether the exodus tells of 18th dynasty Egypt is an interesting question would render the tribe of Israel descendents of Pharoes, shall be reading Freuds work on this subject in the next week..

auron

10-10-2007, 12:34 AM

he would be the ultimate rebel

:D

:)

synergy777

10-10-2007, 12:34 AM

i got the link from unhived mind, old morrocco micky, lol

synergy777

10-10-2007, 12:36 AM

micky, its good stuff this bro. whhen they use noted academic sources like flavius, detractors are left in a quandry. added to this hancock, enoch etc, the yeshuah/nazarite/essene/qumrum angle blows the myths of rome away.

i liked the tree as the symbol, its would i would choose.

synergy777

10-10-2007, 12:42 AM

no wonder i wear timberland, lol or like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LRG_clothing

i think its the tree of life/humanity/brain

tree of life
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tree%20of%20life&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Mo0n5tar

10-10-2007, 12:50 AM

Seems theres alot of Saul of Tarsus derived theology in the New Testament, being a culmination of what was in Rome at the time, and had seeped in from throughout the colonies, catching flavours of Egyptian magic, Mithraism, Buddhism ad infinitum, the Mandaeans worshipping the bright star of the West, and the sacred land of Merica, St Clair landing in America a century before columbus, having secreted the knowledge of the archaological digs in Solomons temple conducted by the Knights Templar, funny how the past can shed light on the present, but the history surrounding the Old and New Testaments never fails...

Tree of Life is something i have also checked out the past few days a bit of Kabballah that people like Texe Marrs will telll you is evil and satanic, but simply because the AV believers fear and people in general fear what they can't or don't want to understand, i see the tree of life as a beautiful symbol and Kabbalah a system of self perfection, another subject i intend to explore at length, i am fascinated by mystery these days, life is a mystery but that needn't be a bad thing...

synergy777

10-10-2007, 01:19 AM

Mo0n5tar

10-10-2007, 01:51 AM

...the more one looks into Christianity it appears the only good thing to come of it is Eric Phelps continual hounding of the Jesuit Order. :)

p.s i got this book on kabbalah a very simplified explanation an intro to it's modern applications/uses so to speak:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/61R385WG68L._AA240_.jpg

Worth checking out if you get the chance.

Best wishes.

albie

10-10-2007, 11:30 AM

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/aug2006/david_shayler.jpg

lydia78

10-10-2007, 11:36 AM

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/aug2006/david_shayler.jpg

PMSL...and he's finally had a shave after 2,000 yrs!!

vienna

10-10-2007, 11:43 AM

I've been looking into this for a while now, interesting stuff;

The Talmud Jmmanuel was discovered in Jerusalem in 1963, and ushers in the New Age while exposing the New Testament gospels as being more corrupt than even the Jesus Seminar suspects

In over 100 comparisons of parallel passages, the arguments pointing to Matthean dependence upon the TJ are seen to be difficult to reverse, and in all other instances the differences between the two are also consistent with TJ genuineness.

Tests for TJ genuineness are indirect because its original Aramaic scrolls were destroyed due to their heresies, and only the German translation survived.
From the TJ one sees that 19th-century scholars erred in assuming that Mark came before Matthew.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4335437257443008173&q=Jmmanuel&total=87&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4100871687265886426&q=Jmmanuel&total=87&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=Jmmanuel

QUOTE about Talmud

"The Talmud Jmmanuel

Jerusalem, 1963 - A Greek Catholic priest, Isa Rashid, discovers a small cave in the slope of a nearby hill. His Swiss friend, "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier, removes the rubble partially obscuring the entryway, crawls inside, and exhumes a set of ancient scrolls wrapped in animal skin and encased in a dry, crumbly resin. Upon their examination, faded yet fully legible pages of Aramaic text reveal a 2,000-year-old biographical narrative of a man named Jmmanuel who devoted his life to teaching about the true nature of the universe, the immortality of the human spirit through reincarnation, and a way of life that is liberating and free from the illogical constraints of human greed and lust for power.

And this is the book that none of the major religions want you to read. Having translated 36 chapters of the scrolls from Aramaic to German, Isa Rashid ultimately paid with his life when he and his family were assassinated by the powers that be but not before 36 chapters were sent to his friend in Switzerland, who then assembled the text into the form presented in this book. (Meier's publishing of the Talmud Jmmanuel has been partially responsible for the 21 attempts on his own life.)

Discover what truly happened to Jmmanuel during his forty days and forty nights "in the desert." Learn who really was his betrayer and how he survived his brutal crucifixion. And read his ominous prophecies (some already fulfilled!) for the current times, his teachings about the human spirit and the self-determined path of human evolution - the true meaning of our lives."

peachped

10-10-2007, 11:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB7po-jCsGI&mode=related&search=humour%20humor%20kids%20funny%20hayley%20mi lls%20British%20comedy%20film

vienna

10-10-2007, 11:51 AM

its fear of the unknown and historic use of it what peoples off. i like the tree aspect. as for the mystic/kaballah aspect, its quite a technical/advanced thing, i don't know much about it.

the saul/paul is spot on, they had to have a religion that ticked all boxes, brought in all other religous followers under one religion. the empire needed galavanising, unting. rome had colonies everywhere, asia, africa, europe. to do this they incorporated aspects of all religions of that time to get the religion of the roman empire, which christianity is, henece the pope saying only catholic(universal) christianity is the real christianity, the wound to be soon healed. they created the modern bible, trinity, mithras version etc. thats why they have the power now, as they created the modern bible/nicea, they owned/colonised palestine/canaan in the days of yashuah, remember pontus pilate etc. then add in ignatius loyola/jesuits, columbus, they been running things since back in the day.

all road lead to rome. this why i still rate craig on his rome stuff.

yep, I think it's true to say the Roman Empire merely rebranded itself to survive - senators became 'cardinals' - the Emperor became 'Pope' - and the empire rebranded as a 'church'

I tell people to look at Catholicism or 'Romanism' as a geo-political organisation (as Greg Symanski says) and not a religion as it's easier to conceive the problem and teh whole NWO takeover - plus the confessional became the perfect intelligence gathering system from kings to peasants

albie

10-10-2007, 12:17 PM

Jesus is partly Actaurus and the son of King Arthur. I thought Icke's early books made that clear.

auron

10-10-2007, 12:19 PM

Jesus smoked herb. :)

http://www.thc-ministry.org/index1.htm

albie

10-10-2007, 12:21 PM

Jesus was an echo that possessed a man and got him killed. That was the purpose. to kill the echo off.

Diana was possessed of an echo too.

Screech! bang.

End of echo.

albie

10-10-2007, 12:22 PM

21Now after these events Paul determined in the [Holy] Spirit that he would travel through Macedonia and Achaia (most of Greece) and go to Jerusalem, saying, After I have been there, I must visit Rome also.

22And having sent two of his assistants, Timothy and Erastus, into Macedonia, he himself stayed on in [the province of] Asia for a while.

23But as time went on, there arose no little disturbance concerning the Way [of the Lord].

24For a man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of [the goddess] Artemis [h][Diana], brought no small income to his craftsmen. Silver Bromide: the chemical in photographs. Shrines= images= photos.

25These he called together, along with the workmen of similar trades, and said, Men, you are acquainted with the facts and understand that from this business we derive our wealth and livelihood.

26Now you notice and hear that not only at Ephesus but almost all over [the province of] Asia this Paul has persuaded and induced people to believe his teaching and has alienated a considerable company of them, saying that gods that are made with human hands are not really gods at all.

27Now there is danger not merely that this trade of ours may be discredited, but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis may come into disrepute and count for nothing, and that her glorious magnificence may be degraded and fall into contempt--she whom all [the province of Asia] and the wide world worship.

28As they listened to this, they were filled with rage and they continued to shout, Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!

29Then the city was filled with confusion; and they rushed together into the amphitheater, dragging along with them Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians who were fellow travelers with Paul.

30Paul wished to go in among the crowd, but the disciples would not permit him to do it.

31Even some of the Asiarchs (political or religious officials in Asia) who were his friends also sent to him and warned him not to risk venturing into the theater.

32Now some shouted one thing and some another, for the gathering was in a tumult and most of them did not know why they had come together.

33Some of the crowd called upon Alexander [to speak], since the Jews had pushed and urged him forward. And Alexander motioned with his hand, wishing to make a defense and [planning] to apologize to the people.

34But as soon as they saw him and recognized that he was a Jew, a shout went up from them as the voice of one man, as for about two hours they cried, Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!

35And when the town clerk had calmed the crowd down, he said, Men of Ephesus, what man is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is guardian of the temple of the great Artemis and of the sacred stone [image of her] that fell from the sky?

36Seeing then that these things cannot be denied, you ought to be quiet (keep yourselves in check) and do nothing rashly.

37For you have brought these men here, who are [guilty of] neither temple robberies nor blasphemous speech about our goddess.

38Now then, if Demetrius and his fellow tradesmen who are with him have a grievance against anyone, the courts are open and proconsuls are [available]; let them bring charges against one another [legally].

39But if you require anything further about this or about other matters, it must be decided and cleared up in the regular assembly.

40For we are in danger of being called to render an account and of being accused of rioting because of [this commotion] today, there being no reason that we can offer to justify this disorder.

41And when he had said these things, he dismissed the assembly.

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Acts+19&version=45

Saint Paul wanted them to stop making shrines to Artemis (diana). Henri Paul's job was to prevent photos being taken of Diana.

The crowd of shrine makers mirrors the crowd of paparazzi.

In killing Diana in the tunnel Saint Paul has forever prevented them making any more shrines of Diana (artemis).

Diana was the echo of the original Diana. The event of killing her off is the echo.

Maybe it won't stop the echo though.

auron

10-10-2007, 12:23 PM

Um, yeah! Whatever mate.

albie

10-10-2007, 12:26 PM

saying I'm weird?

Jesus is an echo of the shutting down of the earth's magical energies.

And our fall into the shopping centre that we now live in.

The soul of Mordred cries out!

The soul of Acturus is on the move again.

THE KING HAS AWOKEN.

And he wants to go shopping.

paulski

10-10-2007, 12:40 PM

See http://www.truthbeknown.com/

Who was Jesus? Fingerprints of the Christ-D.M.Murdock

auron

10-10-2007, 01:07 PM

synergy777

10-10-2007, 04:48 PM

albie, i am with you on this, add this to the arthur/michael thread please bro.

the kings need a horse(car) wife(guenivere) and excalibur (spirit/compassion)

synergy777

11-10-2007, 01:08 AM

http://cana.userworld.com/cana_pisean4.html

THE PISCEAN AVATAR: THE JESUS OF ASTROLOGY
(page 4 of 12)

by Marcia Montenegro, former professional astrologer

JESUS AS THE AVATAR OF PISCES

Since Jesus is considered a higher spiritual being, an Avatar, by many astrologers, he embodies the highest aspects of Pisces: universal love, compassion, sacrifice, intuition, servanthood, martyrdom, and spirituality. Jesus represents the birth of non-ego (Pisces) from ego (Aries).

Correlations are made between Jesus and the sign of Pisces. Pisces, meaning fish, is a water sign. There is much water and fish symbology in the Bible stories about Jesus, such as Jesus calling fishermen as disciples, being on the sea several times, calming the storm at sea, helping the disciples catch fish, performing miracles in feeding people with fish, walking on water, his baptism in water, and his talk with Nicodemus about being born again by “water and spirit.”35

Oken says that Jesus’ walking on water symbolized that man must rise above “his emotions, fears, and superstitions [the water] in order to be master of himself and thus worthy enough to be a true servant of the God-force.”36 This walk on the water is seen by New Ager Redfield in his book as symbolizing Jesus’ spiritual evolution to such a state that his vibrations were high enough to make Jesus less material and light enough to walk on the water.37

Oken points out that Friday, the day of Venus, is the day for eating fish. Venus in astrology is exalted in Neptune, that is, Neptune brings out the best qualities of Venus, such as universal love. It is asserted that this is what Christ was teaching, and the correlation is made between fish on Friday and Venus in Neptune to further show Jesus’ connection with Pisces.38

JESUS OF THE NEW AGE
The astrological Jesus is still a New Age Jesus, or, in more contemporary terms, the Jesus of the new spirituality. Jesus is the man who realized Christ Consciousness, the innate divinity in all men. In a book based on the Edgar Cayce’s channeled readings, Christ Consciousness is described as an awareness each of us has, which can be “awakened” by our will, “of the soul’s oneness with God.”39 Paramahansa Yogananda, the Hindu guru who came to America and whose book, Autobiography of a Yogi, inspired many Westerners to follow Hindu-based teachings, defines Christ Consciousness as “the universal consciousness, oneness with God, manifested by Jesus, Krishna, and other avatars,” and is the realization of “God immanent in all creation.”40 Unity’s The Metaphysical Bible Dictionary expresses it more directly: “Christ is the divine-idea of man....Each of us has within him the Christ, just as Jesus had......The cosmic man...is the Christ....we are not persons, but factors in the cosmic mind. Reveal yourself to yourself by affirming ‘I am the Christ, son of the living God’...”41 In one New Age bestseller, the author states that the greatest teaching of Christ was that we all have everlasting life, brotherhood in God, and that we have whatever we request.42

The return of Jesus should be viewed as perhaps “the reception of the Christ Consciousness in an individual.”43 When writing as an astrologer about Christ and Pisces related to the movie, “The Last Temptation of Christ,” I suggested that this film may have represented the second coming of Christ through a film. I stated in the article that “Humanity has been on the cross...nailed to its own narrow vision, unwilling to sacrifice ego for the resurrection of divinity. Discovering the Christ within frees us to experience that divine nature; what Christ did physically, we must do metaphysically.”44

Contained within the Piscean Avatar is the New Age Christ as the one who awakens Christ Consciousness within. This Avatar also is a man, Jesus, who became the Christ. As astrologer Oken puts it:

“Let us make it absolutely clear that when we use the world ‘Christ,’ we do not necessarily mean Jesus. The Christ is the final step in the evolution of Man. It is a level of consciousness in which the individual has completely unified his Self with the Godhead. In this respect Buddha was a Christ as was Krishna as was Jesus.”45

As in most New Age thinking, Jesus becomes the Christ through attaining the Christ Consciousness, the awareness of the divine Self. Jesus and the Christ are separate because anyone who achieves this spiritual awareness of the inner Christ can become the Christ, or as pop singer Jewel puts it, “We all will be Christed when we hear ourselves say/ We are that to which we pray.”46

synergy777

11-10-2007, 01:29 AM

http://labyrinth_3.tripod.com/chart.html

Jesus' Astrological Charts

according to Don Jacobs
For your consideration....

A contemporary astrologer, the late Don “Moby Dick” Jacobs who was also a Methodist minister and Bible scholar has worked out the date and time of Jesus’ birth by combining historical, Biblical and astro*logical information. His conclusion is that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, Judea on March 1, 7 BC (Julian) at 1:30AM.

This birth chart was calculated by Astro Numeric Service using a special “deep time” program. It is perhaps one of the most powerful possible with a six planet stellium in Pisces with five oppositions to Pluto and five trines to Neptune. This makes Jesus a super Pisces which correlates with the fact that for the first 300 years of the Christian era, the symbol of Christianity was not a cross, but a fish, the symbol of Pisces.

A stellium in Pisces in the third house is an indication of extreme focus, genius and brilliancy in the area of spiritual matters with strong emphasis on compassion and communication. The oppositions to Pluto indicate the ability to transform others with compulsion which may be why he was crucified. The trines to Neptune indicate great kindness, highly developed psychic ability and miraculous healing powers. Sagittarius rising signifies a love of freedom and spiritual truth, and the ability to teach.

Don Jacobs suggests those interested in giving birth to the Christ Consciousness within themselves may find meditation on the birth chart helpful.

The Astrological Birth Chart of Jesus The Christ,
based on March 1, 7 B.C., 1:30AM, Bethlehem, Judea

is kalki/shiva/machine man the last avatar to come to help us in the tradition of yashuah, krishna, buddha, the avatar of the kaliyuga, the last age before peace.

gorgeousbutterfly

11-10-2007, 01:32 AM

I Thought you believed in the Bible?

bigus_dickus

11-10-2007, 11:59 AM

how bout the real Jesus being the spirit of the Sun, which we too are but have completely forgotten?

just a thought.

synergy777

11-10-2007, 01:30 PM

a real yashuah/yeshuah existed, jesus is the english translation of the hebrew name yashuah, the english name of jesus comes from the greek equivalent .

you tend to forget its rome/romans who brought germany/england/france christianity. learn the history of europe, roman empire.

there are no j's in the hebrew alphabet, and i think yashuah was a hebrew, who spoke aramhic lol so maybe he invented the letter when he was at his naming ceremony, just to keep you english people happy.lol

they use y instead of j. eg yahweh they translate to jahweh, yashuah to joshuah/jesus.

the jesus you speak of is the sol invictus/mithras clone, rome created by using the real yashuah and mixing with their mystery school symbolism, eg the sun of god = the son of god, all going back to egypt, the god amen-ra ra/solar worship/death cult. why do finish every prayer with amen? who are you praying to?

this is why people lose faith they catch onto the elites corruption and throw it all out. they spot the elite add ons, and then rather than painstakingly seperate fact from fiction, in one clean swoop throw it all out. then they hark on about, i am free, i am awakened, i spotted the false rome creation, look how smart i am.

when they should learn to seperate the myths/symbolism they added on and find the real historical person, yashuah. yashuah was spirtual teacher, a guru, a rebel, a freedom fighter/"terrorist", he fought against the occupiers/romans, the corrupt clergy.

if he lived now, he would fight for palestine, as thats where he lived, and they are his people. where is bethelem, nazareth, jerusalem its in palestine. so all these fuckwits who support zionism, with their we are christian bullshit, are merely the murderers of yashuah's people. they pretend to know him, but he knows them not.

this is why yashuah lived and jesus never. jesus is romes creation based on the teacher yahsuah who they killed, in partnership with jewish clergy. they then added their mithras, sol invictus, osiris, solar myth theology onto him, and created jesus.

so when people say yahsuah never existed, they are wrong, he did, and was the real "jesus" . why do they suppress his human nature, his message, his essenes/dead sea scrolls/nazarites. he had a community in the qumrum, as he had to move with his people away from the cities, the masses, the corrupt clergy, the romans/occuppiers

in basic terms, they killed this teacher/rebel, then about 300 years later/council of nicea, its the first passage of this thread. they used him, as the main part of their new religion for empire, to have an all encompassing, all inclusive religion to strengthen a fading empire. they cleverly added their elite/luciferic religion, eg mystery school, onto him, to create the jesus we know now. its a trojan horse.

so yashuah lived, taught, opposed corruption, the elite, the establishment and religous authorities he detested. so they as a cartel, joined together, paid judas and got arrested. trumped up his charges, and crucified him. so in the end, the elite, the people, being the sell outs they are/were, killed him. thats the truth. thats why its called the tyranny of the majority, as most are domesticated animals, slavishly following the elite.

thats why any leader now would not bother helping the people, as they only sell you out, and help the elite. he would best figuring this life out and graduating out of here, lol

see anyone who is ignporant hates yahsuah, and follows the elite. they might be new age, but what the fuck did yahsuah speak about, he spoke about spirit, mediatation, compassion, universal source/father, he spoke about everyone having the same potential, everyone being the children of the father, not just him.

the very stuff this counter culture wannabe new age talks about what he did/taught. and yet they talk bad about a fake jesus, not knowing that the very things he spoke about they are doing.

what you read in non organised religion, the spirit, meditation, the equality of all, unity, compassion, maya/illusion, is what he taught.

synergy777

11-10-2007, 01:52 PM

http://www.revelations.org.za/NotesS-Name.htm

The original Hebrew or Jewish Name of the professing Jewish Messiah, who was accepted as such by a certain section (some 3000 souls) of Israel, at and after His Appearance in Israel, some 2000 years ago. To them He was known as YAHU'SHUAH (abbreviated: Y'SHUAH, also pronounced YEHOSHUA or YESHUA). In time, over the first few centuries after Messiah, His Name was gradually changed to "Je-Zeus Khristos" by the pagan masses who converted and joined the originally Jewish Messianic Sect. Out of this, Christianity was born, which was a mixture of originally pure Judaism, and gradually, progressive influences of pagan customs and traditions, together with a growing tide of an anti-Semitic spirit. This was greatly due to the instigation of influential leaders like Constantine the Great, who was a Zeus worshipper, and who purportedly converted to Christianity. It was also a natural process as a result of the infiltration of followers of the sun god, Zeus, into the Christian ranks. Even the name of their pagan idol 'Zeus' was applied to their new-found Jewish Messiah - and Y'Shuah (the abbreviated transliteration of YAHU'SHUAH), became "Y'Zeus" or Je-Zeus - which became 'Jesus' in English (NOTE - the middle 's' is pronounced as a 'z'). In other languages, it took on various other forms.

A similar pagan influenced name-shift has been retained to this day in the KJV translation of Luke 4:27, where it refers to the prophet "Eliseus' and an event recorded in 2 Kings 5:14 (according even to the KJV reference version). This prophet's Hebrew name, however, was 'Eli'Shuah', which means "God is my Salvation" (as Y'SHUAH means "YAH is Salvation" or "YAH the Saviour"). Exactly the same as the pagan influence changed Y'SHUAH to "Y'Zeus" - ('Jesus' - phonetically 'Jezus'), so also Luk 4:27 reflects the change of "Eli'Shuah" to "Eli'Zeus' ("My God is Zeus")! Youngs Bible Concordance in its reference to the name 'Eliseus', states: "The form in which the name of Elisha appears in the common version of the New Testament and the Apocrypha in Luke 4:27".

bigus_dickus

11-10-2007, 02:11 PM

the jesus you speak of is the sol invictus/mithras clone, rome created by using the real yashuah and mixing with their mystery school symbolism, eg the sun of god = the son of god, all going back to egypt, the god amen-ra ra/solar worship/death cult. why do finish every prayer with amen? who are you praying to?

that's utter nonsense invented by His Maxwellness.

sun of god? what the fuck? what sense does it make, if it does?

amen-ra? what does ammon ra has to do with the word amen. just because they sound similar?

this is why yashuah lived and jesus never. jesus is romes creation based on the teacher yahsuah who they killed, in partnership with jewish clergy. they then added their mithras, sol invictus, osiris, solar myth theology onto him, and created jesus.

first you say that jesus is the english word for yashuah and here you say that yashuah is real and jesus is fake.

in basic terms, they killed this teacher/rebel, then about 300 years later/council of nicea, its the first passage of this thread. they used him, as the main part of their new religion for empire, to have an all encompassing, all inclusive religion to strengthen a fading empire. they cleverly added their elite/luciferic religion, eg mystery school, onto him, to create the jesus we know now. its a trojan horse.

the above paragraph is wrong. i mean the idea that everything was decided in the council of Nicea, is a myth, which is very popular to anti christians.

so yashuah lived, taught, opposed corruption, the elite, the establishment and religous authorities he detested. so they as a cartel, joined together, paid judas and got arrested. trumped up his charges, and crucified him. so in the end, the elite, the people, being the sell outs they are/were, killed him. thats the truth. thats why its called the tyranny of the majority, as most are domesticated animals, slavishly following the elite.

wrong again. the "elite" didn't want to have anything to do with such a murder. it is the people, the plain peasants, the people that you praise here, who decided and demanded it.

synergy777

11-10-2007, 02:13 PM

geo, at least you see the cleverness of rome.

so a logical question would be, do you think rome would not lie ?

look at canonical law, the pope is god on earth, look at the reformation when people opposed the vatican.

look at the jesuits, romes funding of columbus, their non action in the jewish holocaust in ww2.

this selective love of rome, they hate rome when it infringes/condemns their lifestyle eg sex out of wedlock is bad, birth control is bad, etc. when the the vatican calls all non catholics, not real christians, aswell lol

but we love them when it supports a white jesus based on mystery school and cesare borgia.

people are such tyrannical fuckwits.

bigus_dickus

11-10-2007, 02:15 PM

In time, over the first few centuries after Messiah, [B]His Name was gradually changed to "Je-Zeus Khristos" by the pagan masses who converted and joined the originally Jewish Messianic Sect.

wrong!

zeus, the Greek "pagan" God, is pronounced ZEFS in Greek and not 'zoos' as the English pronunciation is.

there is no connection between the names Iesous (pronounced ee-sus) and Zeus (pronounced zephs, zefs) in any way imaginable.

why this propaganda?

synergy777

11-10-2007, 02:26 PM

is this concept so hard, a real person called yashuah lived. he died, they added onto his terachings/legacy, their mystery school stuff/symbolism. they then converted/translated/changed his name into english/greek, and thus jesus was born. why not keep it as yashuah ?

look i am using english letters, Y A S H U A H, REAL FUCKING HARD AIN'T IT.LOL

sun of god/son of god. the solarisation, learn about cults, the sideral, lunar, stellar, solar, fertility/arigculture.

christians are misled, the truth is yashuah. i follow yashuah/yhwh/most high and all the teachers he sent from krishna, buddha, moses, etc. i don't follow the church, test them by their fruits, discern.

why change his appearence, was not towel head/asiatic in your liking, why change him to white cesare borgia clone. how many people are white in egypt, where he fled to safety, even if a european lives/holidays in a hot country, they tan anyway. and i think israel is hot. although you might want to check it, i might be wrong

why have contradictory gospels, omit books like enoch. why edit and redit.

the peasants killed him, pontius pilate, the clergy were peasants, lol

in time i will be proved correct.

we are all children of the most high, for yashuah to say he was the son of god, meant a child/creation, like you are a son of god, etc. we have a spirit, hence who gave us this spirit, the creator/most high/source/yhwh

so what does that make you?

geo2

11-10-2007, 02:28 PM

:cool: imo, the way 'to-deal-with-rome and it's prisoners' is, compassion, yeah, cum/com-passion............blessed-are-they-who/come/cum in the Name of the Lord, Jesus/Etc/etc.....and maybe, just-maybe, the 'scum-bags' aka as/rome will tell us about the MURDER of JP 1 and their other-crimes and free themselves and all of creation from their fn 'madness'.......................

:rolleyes: ohhhhhh, 2change the notes 2 more pleasurable item..........i just love the-slut-in-us-all, penelopeee, in one of her-modes, Nuit/goddess, ck-this-data:
MythologyIn Egyptian mythology, Nuit was the sky goddess. She is the daughter of Shu and Tefnut and was one of the Ennead.

The sun god Ra entered her mouth after the sun set in the evening and was reborn from her vulva the next morning. She also swallowed and rebirthed the stars.

She was a goddess of death, and her image is on the inside of most sarcophagi. The pharaoh entered her body after death and was later resurrected.

In art, Nuit is depicted as a woman wearing no clothes, covered with stars and supported by Shu; opposite her (the sky), is her husband, Seb (the Earth). With Seb, she was the mother of Osiris, Horus, Isis, Set, and Nephthys.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Nuit
Hail Dora ! the-super-cunt ! omg !

bigus_dickus

11-10-2007, 02:35 PM

look i am using english letters, Y A S H U A H, REAL FUCKING HARD AIN'T IT.LOL

don't be so paranoid about it. Greeks don't have that 'sh' sound and same thing happens to all of the Greek words that you dudes borrow, without which you would have science in the amount and quality of ...zero :)

sun of god/son of god. the solarisation, learn about cults, the sideral, lunar, stellar, solar, fertility/arigculture.

think for yourself for a minute? i'm not asking too much.

christians are misled, the truth is yashuah. i follow yashuah/yhwh/most high and all the teachers he sent from krishna, buddha, moses, etc. i don't follow the church, test them by their fruits, discern.

you just follow yourself, no matter what you say now.

why change his appearence, was not towel head/asiatic in your liking, why change him to white cesare borgia clone. how many people are white in egypt, where he fled to safety, even if a european lives/holidays in a hot country, they tan anyway. and i think israel is hot. although you might want to check it, i might be wrong

and here's your psychological profile, thanks :)

why have contradictory gospels, omit books like enoch. why edit and redit.

i have written extensively about it on another thread in the "religions" forum, although it was too little of what i could have said. we can pick it up in the "religions" forum if you wish.

in time i will be proved correct.

we are all children of the most high, for yashuah to say he was the son of god, meant a child/creation, like you are a son of god, etc. we have a spirit, hence who gave us this spirit, the creator/most high/source/yhwh

so what does that make you?

that's a little diversion, in the sense that 'we' don't 'have' anything and no one gave us something.. meaning that we are not separate entities that were granted by spirit, rather spirit is all there is and we live because of it. it's a little twist, but creates a distorted notion of reality.

synergy777

11-10-2007, 02:39 PM

well you certainly proved my point, mister defender of greek stuff. my profile, i was merley pointing out historical facts( renasssiance/cesare borgia), bilogical facts( i think sun/tan are related), so your best advice is follow myself, "ye shall be as gods", lol thats the shit that you were you are now.

again, i must have done some magic, using english letters to spell yashuah, really smart blokes those bible writers, hey, lol

bigus_dickus

11-10-2007, 02:40 PM

on a side note, i was thinking of this:

the Sun, is 99,999% of the mass of our planetary system. this means that quite a vast area, in which our planet is included, is the Sun, minus a 0,00001% of it.

what is the Suns dimensions? nobody really knows, because we think of dimensions in terms of the visible light, the light that our eyes can perceive.

what if... i say what if we were able to perceive ALL light? what would the Sun's dimensions be?

it would encompass our entire planetary system (and the virtually empty space in between) and extend to infinity.

and that's just the reality of it.

bigus_dickus

11-10-2007, 02:42 PM

synergy777

11-10-2007, 02:44 PM

to be frank, you guys changing him, tells us alot more about your profiles than it does us. why were all thw early renditions of him as olive skinned/black? its so lame thw futile answers i get from people. the truth was the elite could not have brown saviour, as it would mean their divide and rule, based on white as superioir would be rendered powerless.

if the biblical propganda of curse of ham was to be used succesfully in creating this division, then how could they have a white yashuah etc. they created it to split us up, to have brother enslave brother.

whats alarming is today, in this day and age, people still adhere to it. even the bbc did a high tech jesus, based on dna samples of local populatiosn, climate etc and guess what he looked like.

lets just say he would be on a no fly list, lol

synergy777

11-10-2007, 02:49 PM

name a better way of posting info than copy and paste,

shall i read it all and rearrange it, thats plagarism. i even provide links, highlight it so people like you can learn something. its what you make of it, what shows your intelligence. its an efficent method.

or do you read stuff, memorise an obscure passage it and try to pass it off as your own, and try to appear all intelligent, how do you like those apples lol

you obviously don't make much of it. the very fact yahsuah is spelt in english letters, still hasn't clicked for you, why change it? if the jews call him yashuah, why change it?

why change his name, message?

this intellectual snobbery of cut and paste, its utter bullshit. if i stated it was my own work, research, then i would be wrong. i merely relay info. what do you do, nothing with any gravitas.

bigus_dickus

11-10-2007, 03:02 PM

name a better way of posting info than copy and paste,

that way, you bring loads of propaganda as well. you should be able to discern. don't you think that anyone is capable to copy and paste practically anything? what if we all did that constantly, would it be cool then?

you obviously don't make much of it. the very fact yahsuah is spelt in english letters, still hasn't clicked for you, why change it? if the jews call him yashuah, why change it?

don't ask me.. Jesus is a German translation of the Greek Iesous. it's not change, it's like calling Michael, Mike.

let's take that name for example, Michael. in Greek it is Μιχαήλ and it is pronounced 'Mee-chae-eel'.

you wanna keep being obsessed with language and pronunciation differences, go right ahead, i am just telling the truth behind it and that's all.

why change his name, message?

the message doesn't change with the name change.

the message remains the same all along.

BUT, the interpretation of the message changes. interpretations have been changing and adopting to localities since the beginning, it's not new, nor should it be regarded as such, like there is a conspiracy of evildoers who misinterpret everything. sure there are malicious people, but what you understand, is what YOU understand. you choose what to believe.

this intellectual snobbery of cut and paste, its utter bullshit. if i stated it was my own work, research, then i would be wrong. i merely relay info. what do you do, nothing with any gravitas.

if you find no value in what i say, don't bother to reply.

as i don't bother to respond to your race oriented nonsense at all.

synergy777

11-10-2007, 03:03 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1243339.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/1243954.stm

i shall post links only, as i want to be all Klever like bigus.

bigus_dickus

11-10-2007, 03:07 PM

i shall post links only, as i want to be all Klever like bigus.

i'm not telling you off for copy-pasting, i was just pointing out the propaganda and the errors in those texts, for your consideration.

synergy777

11-10-2007, 03:09 PM

propaganda, what do you think the roman bible is, gods truth, lol

the yashuah links are white/jewish, therefore your race card doesn't work does it. in fact all you have as a defense is copy/paste, race, yada fucking yada.

or its a german translation of greek, lol no shit sherlock, its german/french that english comes from. heck the english come from the germans and french.

i suppose flavius will be rejected, due to copy and paste, him being jewish. maybe stromfront gets your seal of approval, lol

i apologise for my sig, it should mean i want only white people to live together, on their ancestoral home of mars, lol

peachped

11-10-2007, 03:10 PM

The Bolsheveik Broadcasters high tech jesus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1250000/images/_1251512_sonofgod150.jpg:D

What he really looked like
http://www.io.com/~dierdorf/jesusblonde.jpg;)

synergy777

11-10-2007, 03:12 PM

peach i like you stylee, lol

bigus_dickus

11-10-2007, 03:21 PM

propaganda, what do you think the roman bible is, gods truth, lol

propaganda is stuff like "Yashuah became Jesus, because the Greek had Zeus and somehow thought that it would be cool to merge everything together and make it Je-Zeus"

which is bollocks of course. first of all, there is no "J" in the Greek language, second, there is no "Z" in Iesous (pronounced ee-sue-s), it's just a pronunciation "trick" of the English language.

also "sun of God" and "amen-ra" for example. if this isn't nonsense, i don't know what is.

synergy777

11-10-2007, 03:23 PM

look into mystery school, and you see what they added on to him.

synergy777

11-10-2007, 05:28 PM

synergy777

11-10-2007, 05:28 PM

Mo0n5tar

11-10-2007, 08:14 PM

Just found this in my bookmarks:
best read @the link
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/messiah.html

(1) Descendents of Aaron

"The word 'Messiah' comes from the Hebrew verb 'to anoint', which itself is derived from the Egyptian word messeh, 'the holy crocodile'. It was with the fat of the messeh that the Pharaoh's sister-brides anointed their husbands on marriage. The Egyptian custom sprang from kingly practice in old Mesopotamia."
- Sir Laurence Gardner, "The Hidden History of Jesus and the Holy Grail" (from a lecture given at the Ranch, Yelm, Washington, 30 April 1997)

"Remarkably and characteristically, the term Mashiah - of which 'Messiah' is the Anglicized form - had preceded the Messianic concept by many centuries. Originally, in Biblical usage, it simply meant 'anointed', and referred to Aaron and his sons, who were anointed with oil and thereby consecrated to the service of God."
- Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"And you shall put them upon Aaron your brother, and upon his sons with him, and shall anoint them and ordain them and consecrate them, that they may serve me as priests."
- Exodus 28:41

"The legitimacy of the priesthood...was supposed to descend lineally from Aaron through the Tribe of Levi. Thus, throughout the Old Testament, the priesthood is the unique preserve of the Levites. The Levite high priests who attend David and Solomon are referred to as 'Zadok'- though it is not clear whether this is a personal name or an hereditary title."
- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

Zadok or Sadduc means "Righteous One" and is symbolized by TZADDIK - one of the two pillars which, according to Knight and Lomas, stood at the doorway to Qumran). Two gigantic bronze pillars flanked the entrance to the Temple of Solomon.

"The doorway was created by the pillars of 'tsedeq' ['righteousness' - always doing good to others] and mishpat' ['judgment'- divinely appointed order] with the holy arch of 'shalom' ['peace' - prosperity, success, general well-being]."
"When these two spiritual pillars are in place with the Teacher of Righteousness (tsedeq) on the left hand of God and the earthly Davidic King (mishpat) on his right hand, the archway of Yahweh's rule will be in place with the keystone of 'shalom' locking everything together at its center.
"It was clear from our readings that 'tsedeq' was for Canaanites a term associated with the sun god. The Canaanite sun god was seen as the great judge who watched over the world, righted wrongs and shone light unto the dark doings of hidden crimes."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

(2) Use of the term "Messiah"

The High Priest and King
"The High Priest, in particular, was termed 'the Anointed [Mashiah] of God'. With the establishment of the monarchy, the same term was applied to the king: he was 'the Anointed of the Lord' because he was installed in the high office by receiving the sacrament of anointment."
- Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; against them he will thunder in heaven. The LORD will judge the ends of the earth; he will give strength to his king, and exalt the power of his anointed."
- 1 Samuel 2:10

Solomon is anointed by Zadok, thereby becoming 'the Anointed One', the 'Messiah' - 'ha-mashi'ah' in Hebrew."
- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

"Your throne, O God, endures for ever and ever.
Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;
You love righteousness and hate wickedness.
Therefore God, your God has anointed you
[in the Greek of the Septuagint, enchrisen se, has made you Christ]
with the oil of gladness above your fellows."
- Psalms 45:6-7

Annointed Prophets
"A third type of the divinely elected, the prophet, could also undergo the ceremony of anointing: Elizah, we read, was commanded by God to anoint Jehu as king over Israel, and Elisha as prophet in his own place."
- Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"And Jehu the son of Nimshi you shall anoint to be king over Israel; and Eli'sha the son of Shaphat of A'bel-meho'lah you shall anoint to be prophet in your place."
- 1 Kings 19:16

"In a few passages 'anointed one' is used of prophets (most notably in Isa. 61:1) and of priests (Lev. 4:3, 5, 16), but without further designation the term normally refers to the king of Israel."
- Graham N. Stanton, The Gospels and Jesus, The Oxford Bible Series (1989), paperback, p. 221

"The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me; he has sent me to bring good news to the oppressed..."
- Isaiah 61:1 (Deutero-Isaiah 5th c. BCE)

(3) The Idealized King

"...In early monarchic days the person of 'the Anointed of the Lord' came to be considered sacrosanct: to harm him or even to curse him, was a capital offense."
- Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"But David said, 'What have I to do with you, you sons of Zeru'iah, that you should this day be as an adversary to me? Shall any one be put to death in Israel this day? For do I not know that I am this day king over Israel?'"
- 2 Samuel 19:22

"A further development of this concept can be seen in the belief that God provided special protection to His anointed king. The Psalms contain several references to the idea of divine intervention for 'the Anointed of the Lord', the idealized Davidic king:"
- Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"Now I know that the Lord saveth His Anointed [Mashiah],
He will answer him from His holy heaven
With the mighty acts of His saving right hand."
- Psalms 20:7

"While David was king of Israel (tenth century B.C.E.), the belief developed that his House would rule forever, not only over Israel but also over all the nations:"
- Raphael Patai, The Messiah Texts

"The God who giveth me vengeance,
And bringeth down peoples under me....
Therefore I praise Thee, O Lord, among the nations.
And will sing unto Thy name,
Who increaseth the victories of His king
And dealeth graciously with His Anointed,
With David and his seed for evermore."
- 2 Samuel 22:48-52, Psalms 18:42-52

In the seventh century B.C.E., Judah and its capital were besieged by the Assyrians. Micah prophesized deliverance by someone from Bethlehem, the home village of the house of David, in terms that are resonant with Messianic expectations centuries later:

"Now you are walled about with a wall; siege is laid against us; with a rod they strike upon the cheek the ruler of Israel. But you, O Bethlehem Eph'rathah, who are little to be among the clans [or rulers] of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin [Hebrew 'goings out' ] is from of old, from ancient days [olam or from days of eternity]. Therefore he shall give them up until the time when she who is in travail has brought forth; then the rest of his brethren shall return to the people of Israel. And he shall stand and feed his flock in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God. And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great to the ends of the earth."
- Micah 5:1-5

"The word 'olam' is derived from the primitive root alam, meaning to veil from sight, to conceal. An analysis of the passages where olam appears shows clearly that the word does not express 'eternity' or 'everlasting' as it has been frequently translated in the King James Version. Rather, it simply expresses a duration, a time during which a person, thing, or state of a thing exists - literally an age of time which has a definite beginning and conclusion. the duration of an age in scripture is sometimes defined and sometimes undefined."
- Dallas E. James, "Putting the Sword to Churchianity"

The next section is on ZOROASTRIAN precendents, check out the link.

:)

synergy777

11-10-2007, 10:04 PM

so we have bbc hi tech jesus/yashuah

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, Judea on March 1, 7 BC (Julian) at 1:30AM.

i was born 4 days later at the same time, although not in the same year lol

"The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me; he has sent me to bring good news to the oppressed..."
- Isaiah 61:1 (Deutero-Isaiah 5th c. BCE)

good post micky.

synergy777

11-10-2007, 11:42 PM

people are not fully understanding the terms, maya/illusion, and the ability to manifest/change/influence reality.

after all if reality is illusion, why change it?

its not as easy as just thinking and then creating/receiving what you wished for

its not as simple as nothing is real, everything is illusion/maya.

see these two last things, the power of the mind/spirit, and maya/illusion, are the two most powerful things.

this is why they hide it, these two things would change life forever.

this is the holy grail.

see dimensions/levels of reality = maya/illusion

wave/particle duality = waves become atoms due to the observer effect

will/intent = creates/influences reality

however the mind/spirit can alter, influence this wave/field duality, by thought, by observance, the observer effect.

the wave/particle duality (waves/atoms) of the construction of reality are also related to the holographic/fractual/fiboinacci construction of reality.

the science adds up, its the method thats hidden.

this is why esoteric/magic is science, just hidden science.

higher functions like esp, remote viewing, healing, lucid dreaming. meditation helps etc, training your mind..

when we unlock our brains and learn to use them properly, they in conjunction with our spirit/energy can do amazing things.

mr_moon

11-10-2007, 11:52 PM

I'm Jesus!

synergy777

11-10-2007, 11:58 PM

and i'm a naughty boy,lol

shayler is jesus anyway,

he beat us to it, lol

synergy777

11-10-2007, 11:59 PM

everything is energy

no one ever really dies

your body does

but you are not your body

you are your spirit

your conscious is your spirit talking

your spirit is eternal

a part of the universe, the world

just open up and connect

have no fear

have the courage to trust

believe and love

1love/peace

cheeb

12-10-2007, 12:03 AM

What about:
Ben Pandira,

????????

synergy777

12-10-2007, 12:05 AM

I AM happy with krishna, buddha, and yashuah, whilst i wait for kalki.

although tell us more bro.

Mo0n5tar

12-10-2007, 12:12 AM

Love reading that shit after a dooby.

when we unlock our brains and learn to use them properly, they in conjunction with our spirit/energy can do amazing things.

That imo is why shmoking the erb is an ancient ritual probably used by people such as the historic Jesus, the ancient egyptians, Judaic Priests, Rastafari etc etc

Other planes of thought, experiance, consciousness, they don't call it gettin' high for nothing.

synergy777

12-10-2007, 12:15 AM

its true bro, the herb of wisdom. although i have cut down, i needed to.

although when things get sorted, i shall resume.

gandalf smokes, lol

cheeb

12-10-2007, 12:18 AM

Love reading that shit after a dooby.

That imo is why shmoking the erb is an ancient ritual probably used by people such as the historic Jesus, the ancient egyptians, Judaic Priests, Rastafari etc etc

Other planes of thought, experiance, consciousness, they don't call it gettin' high for nothing.

But Jesus would have been a nazarite,
A sect of the essenes,
He would not have taken drugs or alcohol,
and would not allow his hair to be cut,

Samson was a nazarite!!!

:)

synergy777

12-10-2007, 12:30 AM

only after taking the nazarite vow, whilst doing his learning. before venturing out into the wolrd, he could have finished the nazarite vow, as he was in different areas/life.

the nazarite vow is what rastas and baptised sikhs take. they do not cut hair, eat dead flesh, no alcohol or any intoxicant, strictly a vegetarian diet. asetics, yogis also take this vow.

although weed could be seen as sacred so weed could be allowed, as its a herb, genesis 1.12. there are sikhs called nihang who take weed as a religous food. they are the warrior sect, trained in sikh martial arts, yogic breathing, like shaolin buddhist monks. its all dependent on your view, thus classification of weed.

after all whats worse, eating a dead animal, or smoking a herb?

cheeb

12-10-2007, 12:37 AM

synergy777

12-10-2007, 12:54 AM

to have all the inequities/sins of man in him, a suffering servant.

if you are not afflicted all sins, then you cannot understand them, have empathy with others in the same predicament.

sympathy and empathy are very different things.

to live is to know.

yashuah was despised, ridiculed, thought to be crazy/possesed, an object of public ridicule/persecution.

suffering is hard, you get resentful, you blame, hate others.

but when you see why, what it adds,

you are thankful for it, and forgive others.

its all necessary, growing pains.

what don't kill you, only makes you stronger !

only after walking/crawling through dantes inferno, can you fly.

i have some great posts on suffering, the dark night of the soul, castle of man etc. i can post them if you want.

Mo0n5tar

12-10-2007, 01:00 AM

R.E.M. - Losing My Religion - YouTube

p.s I have that book by Dante been meaning to read it, i like what Tsarion has to say on the dark night of soul, 2012, the "Apocalypse, the coming of Shiva the holy spirit and the cycle of rebrth, i like the work of Jung on the Shadow realm of consciousness, Tsarion relates this to the editors cutting room for the grand film that is your life, where we cut out the negative, people like Stephen King make movies on the shadow, through darkness we all pass, in differant cycles in our life, the Egyptians charted the passage through the underworld, we see it in greece, we have the resurrection ritual which may be relevant, it features in Masonic initiation and is the backbone of the christian faith, story of icarus who toiled to build his wings.

synergy777

12-10-2007, 01:01 AM

if you are not lost, how can you be found?

its not all doom and gloom, how you react is what determines the effectiveness of the nwo's strategy/lifes lessons.

whatever they do, whatever life brings, aslong as you react correctly, compassionately, courageously you will overcome.

the capacity of the human spirit/intellect/heart is beyond measure.

what we have is dantes inferno, dark night of the soul

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Dark Night of the Soul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/dark_night.html
John of the Cross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(juan de la cruz = john of the cross)

The term and metaphysicality of the phrase "dark night of the soul" are taken from the writings of the Spanish poet and Roman Catholic mystic Saint John of the Cross, a Carmelite priest in the 16th century. Dark Night of the Soul is the name of both a poem, and a commentary on that poem, and are among the Carmelite priest's most famous writings. They tell of his mystic development and the stages he went through on his quest for holiness.

The "dark night" could generally be described as a letting go of our ego's hold on the psyche, making room for change that can bring about a complete transformation of a person's way of defining his/her self and their relationship to God.

The interim period can be frightening, hence the perceived "darkness". In the Christian tradition, during the "dark night" one who has developed a strong prayer life and consistent devotion to God suddenly finds traditional prayer extremely difficult and unrewarding for an extended period of time.

The individual may feel as though God has suddenly abandoned them, or that their prayer life has collapsed.

Rather than being a negative event, the dark night is believed by mystics and others to be a blessing in disguise where the individual extends from a state of contemplative prayer to an inability to pray.

Particularly in Christianity, it is seen as a severe test of one's faith. The Dark Night comes in two phases:

a first "Night of the Senses,"

and a second "Night of the Spirit."

Bernadette Roberts, author of The Path to No-Self, What is Self and The Experience of No-Self states:

"My view of what some authors call the "unitive stage" is that it begins with the Dark Night of the Spirit, or the onset of the transformational process - when the larva enters the cocoon, so to speak. Up to this point, we are actively reforming ourselves, doing what we can to bring about an abiding union with the divine.

But at a certain point, when we have done all we can, the divine steps in and takes over.

The transforming process is a divine undoing and redoing that culminates in what is called the state of "transforming union" or "mystical marriage", considered to be the definitive state for the Christian contemplative.

In experience, the onset of this process is the descent of the cloud of unknowing, which, because his former light had gone out and left him in darkness, the contemplative initially interprets as the divine gone into hiding.

In modern terms, the descent of the cloud is actually the falling away of the ego-center, which leaves us looking into a dark hole, a void or empty space in ourselves.

Without the veil of the ego-center, we do not recognize the divine; it is not as we thought it should be. Seeing the divine, eye to eye is a reality that shatters our expectations of light and bliss. From here on we must feel our way in the dark, and the special eye that allows us to see in the dark opens up at this time."

(special eye = third eye)

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/ar...erior_man.html

Castle of the Interior Man

The mystical term for the seven steps of spiritual growth in which the soul ascends toward Divinity:

1. Through prayer and concentration on God;

2.prayer directed toward obtaining knowledge of the mystical significance of the manifested reality;

3. self-renunciation, or the so-called "dark night of the soul";

4. surrendering of personal will to God;

5. a state of union with Divinity in which the person's will and God's will becomes one;

6. a state of ecstasy in which the soul is filled with love and joy;

7. the mystical marriage with God, where the inner being enters heaven. A.G.H.

cheeb

12-10-2007, 01:06 AM

Post away,
It's just a matter of dotting the i's
and crossing the t's
The jigsaw is falling into place!!!

lydia78

12-10-2007, 01:10 AM

if you are not lost, how can you be found?

its not all doom and gloom, how you react is what determines the effectiveness of the nwo's strategy/lifes lessons.

whatever they do, whatever life brings, aslong as you react correctly, compassionately, courageously you will overcome.

the capacity of the human spirit/intellect/heart is beyond measure.

what we have is dantes inferno, dark night of the soul

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/dark_night.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_the_Cross
(juan de la cruz = john of the cross)

The term and metaphysicality of the phrase "dark night of the soul" are taken from the writings of the Spanish poet and Roman Catholic mystic Saint John of the Cross, a Carmelite priest in the 16th century. Dark Night of the Soul is the name of both a poem, and a commentary on that poem, and are among the Carmelite priest's most famous writings. They tell of his mystic development and the stages he went through on his quest for holiness.

The "dark night" could generally be described as a letting go of our ego's hold on the psyche, making room for change that can bring about a complete transformation of a person's way of defining his/her self and their relationship to God.

The interim period can be frightening, hence the perceived "darkness". In the Christian tradition, during the "dark night" one who has developed a strong prayer life and consistent devotion to God suddenly finds traditional prayer extremely difficult and unrewarding for an extended period of time.

The individual may feel as though God has suddenly abandoned them, or that their prayer life has collapsed.

Rather than being a negative event, the dark night is believed by mystics and others to be a blessing in disguise where the individual extends from a state of contemplative prayer to an inability to pray.

Particularly in Christianity, it is seen as a severe test of one's faith. The Dark Night comes in two phases:

a first "Night of the Senses,"

and a second "Night of the Spirit."

Bernadette Roberts, author of The Path to No-Self, What is Self and The Experience of No-Self states:

"My view of what some authors call the "unitive stage" is that it begins with the Dark Night of the Spirit, or the onset of the transformational process - when the larva enters the cocoon, so to speak. Up to this point, we are actively reforming ourselves, doing what we can to bring about an abiding union with the divine.

But at a certain point, when we have done all we can, the divine steps in and takes over.

The transforming process is a divine undoing and redoing that culminates in what is called the state of "transforming union" or "mystical marriage", considered to be the definitive state for the Christian contemplative.

In experience, the onset of this process is the descent of the cloud of unknowing, which, because his former light had gone out and left him in darkness, the contemplative initially interprets as the divine gone into hiding.

In modern terms, the descent of the cloud is actually the falling away of the ego-center, which leaves us looking into a dark hole, a void or empty space in ourselves.

Without the veil of the ego-center, we do not recognize the divine; it is not as we thought it should be. Seeing the divine, eye to eye is a reality that shatters our expectations of light and bliss. From here on we must feel our way in the dark, and the special eye that allows us to see in the dark opens up at this time."

(special eye = third eye)

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/ar...erior_man.html

Castle of the Interior Man

The mystical term for the seven steps of spiritual growth in which the soul ascends toward Divinity:

1. Through prayer and concentration on God;

2.prayer directed toward obtaining knowledge of the mystical significance of the manifested reality;

3. self-renunciation, or the so-called "dark night of the soul";

4. surrendering of personal will to God;

5. a state of union with Divinity in which the person's will and God's will becomes one;

6. a state of ecstasy in which the soul is filled with love and joy;

7. the mystical marriage with God, where the inner being enters heaven. A.G.H.

awesome post syn..dark night of the soul,
always darkest before light!

synergy777

12-10-2007, 01:10 AM

fitting together like a jackson pollack bro, lol

as in i just threw everything in together from the hardwork of others. copy and paste maestro, lol

its what you make of it what matters.

synergy777

12-10-2007, 06:43 PM

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Nas-Hate Me Now (featuring Puff Daddy)

victory- puff daddy - YouTube

victory- puff daddy

check the new world order reference !

cheeb

12-10-2007, 10:05 PM

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6316/dalicrossofstjohn2kt1.jpg.

The dark night of the soul.
Sounds like what happened at the Crucifixation.

The Abandonment:
Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabach-thani,
My God, My God, why have you foresaken me?

The Compassion:
Forgive them for they know not what they do.

The Acceptance:
Father into your hands, I commend my spirit.

This is where religion makes a bit of sense.
Most people do not have to face a dark night of the soul.
So they use an intermediaory to do it for them.
In this case Jesus.(Or the Passion)

In Catholicism,
At lent the stations of the cross,
Is meditated upon,

I suppose in Psychological terms it would be called Transferance.

synergy777

12-10-2007, 10:11 PM

cheeb, it a great post and salvador dali piece i think.

i think the dark night is also the breakthrough, the lifting of the veil, the red pill.

synergy777

14-10-2007, 04:35 PM

bump

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 05:09 PM

Cordial Felicitations:

Mattithya 27:46 And about the ninth hour Yahshua cried out with a loud voice, saying: Yli! Yli! lamah ozabatniy?! which means: My Strength! My Strength! Why have you foresaken me?!

27:47 Some of those who stood there, when they heard that, said: This man calls for Yliyah(elijah)(Strength of Yahweh)

PSALM 22

1: My Strength! My Strength! Yahweh! Yahweh! Why have You forsaken me? O why are You so far from helping Me, and from the words of My groaning?

Though the Psalm begins as a Lamentation it resolves as an Exaltation of Yahweh and His plan.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

synergy777

14-10-2007, 05:12 PM

yhwh or g-d, the creator/source of all.

please feel free snoop to add some links/data on yhwh/yashuah, it would be greatly appreciated. i think the elite have edited texts to make yhwh look like an angry and vengeful god on purpose, to stop us from connecting.

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 05:14 PM

i think the elite have edited texts to make yhwh look like an angry and vengeful god on purpose, to stop us from connecting.

not the elite, that's the "gnostic" point of view for the Jewish God.

synergy777

14-10-2007, 05:23 PM

gnostic like mandeans etc?

please post some links bro, we argue, but you know your stuff, i would very much appreaciate it.

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 05:26 PM

Shalom:

Regrettably, my skill levels do not permit placement of 'Hot' Links. Or Graphics.

Must Learn! I'm like half a 'Poster'.

yahweh.com

The excellence of their Scholarship is recognized worldwide. The Hebrew University of Jerusalem utilises a Book of Yahweh from the House of Yahweh.

The Zondervan Interlinear Bibles(Greek & Hebrew) are Excellent References

The Anchor Bible is also very 'Robust'.

Yahshua, Himself is the perfect representation of Yahweh in the 'Flesh'

Iron Fist, Velvet Glove

To understand Yahshua is to understand Yahweh.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

synergy777

14-10-2007, 05:37 PM

Yahshua, Himself is the perfect representation of Yahweh in the 'Flesh'

Iron Fist, Velvet Glove

To understand Yahshua is to understand Yahweh.

well put bro.

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 05:47 PM

gnostic like mandeans etc?

please post some links bro, we argue, but you know your stuff, i would very much appreaciate it.

about gnosticism, the best site i've ever been to is www.metahistory.org

as i have said some times, there have been many diverse and various beliefs and points of view regarding the origins of christianity, the nature of Jesus and God and what the correct belief should be and what can be considered as heresy.

in fact, these opinions go way back, it's almost unbelievable, but people have been arguing about the same stuff for thousands of years now. but most believe that these things are fabrications of some global "elite" that they call the "illuminati". in fact, they show nothing but our own confusion on these matters. in general, we don't know shit, we just assume.

for example, check this site out and expand "gnosticism": http://www.earlychurch.org.uk/heresies.php
wtf? :)

for this kind of research, i'd like to recommend Bart D. Ehrman's books, that will open your eyes in various ways on these subjects
http://bartdehrman.com/

(hint: you can find his lectures on p2p)

people like Ehrman have learned and understand all the languages involved in the scriptures and have thoroughly studied and paralleled all ancient literature, unlike some other self proclaimed "scholars" that have no clue and i don't want to mention. the latter are the conspiracy theorists' favorites though and the former are being vainly overlooked.

synergy777

14-10-2007, 06:08 PM

cheers will have a look. i like the archon- biblical fallen angels aspect. however the belief that all matter is evil/demiurge i don't buy. thanks for the links

have you ever gone on this forum

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/index.php

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 06:11 PM

Shalom Synergy777:

I enjoy the Paradigms of some of the Characters who only have a few verses of reference yet provide countless hours of contemplation.

Cyrus the Great, the Persian Leader who conquered Babylon, Liberated the Yahdaim(people of Yahweh)(jews), returned them to their land, Yahdah(judea) and provided the resources to rebuild the House of Yahweh, the Temple.

Cornelius, the Roman Centurion, an Officer in the Roman Army who worshipped and kept the Laws of Yahweh. Summoned the Apostle to instruct him and discuss Yahweh and the Torah.

King Melchizedek, Teacher of Abraham and receiver of Tithes from Abraham

A School of Priests were established by Abel before he was slain by Caine. It is known as the Great Rock of Able. In the Old Testament it writes how the Philistines(?) had captured the Ark. The Highest Drama.

Ensuing events compelled them to return the Ark to the Yahdaim(hebrews,jews) They put the Ark in a wagon pulled by Oxen, who brought the Ark to the Great Rock of Able. The Oxen went to this place without Human guidence. I believe the Town is known as Ibbelin. North of Jerusalem.

It is at this School, established by Abel, the First Righteous Priest, where Yahshua was Trained during those years of His absence.

Some Thoughts Yahshua shared with us: Yahshua is Subject to and obedient to Father Yahweh in all ways and manners.

Yahshua endorsed and promoted the Torah, the 613 Laws, Judgements and Statutes created by Father Yahweh to instruct Humans on 'How To' develope a Loving Character, that promotes Unity, Parity and Wellbeing for All Humans.

The Ten Commandments: The first four concern Loving Father Yahweh, the remaining six inform 'How To' Love your Neighbors.

The 613 Laws, Judgements and Statutes provide 'Specificity'. Any Human or Earthly Issue may be 'Framed' through the 'Lens' of the Torah.

Yahshua summed up the entire Torah in two commandments

1: Love Father Yahweh with all your mind, body and strength

2: Love your Neighbors

synergy777

14-10-2007, 06:11 PM

"Heru corresponds to our will, which is the freedom to follow or reject divine law, and our emotions. This freedom is the crux of our divinity." - Ra Un Nefer Amen

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3936&st=0&p=25359&#entry25359

what you make of this bro.

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 06:15 PM

cheers will have a look. i like the archon- biblical fallen angels aspect. however the belief that all matter is evil/demiurge i don't buy. thanks for the links

me too, it's just a belief and, by the way, not all gnostics share it.

have you ever gone on this forum

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/index.php

yes i have gone there a while ago, but thanks for reminding me about it

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 06:18 PM

1: Love Father Yahweh with all your mind, body and strength

2: Love your Neighbors

jesus has never mentioned the word "yahweh". where do you get this from?

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 06:22 PM

synergy777

14-10-2007, 06:25 PM

Yahshua summed up the entire Torah in two commandments

1: Love Father Yahweh with all your mind, body and strength

2: Love your Neighbors

snoop two rules which would change the world. also great info on abel and the ark.

bigus, mistakes are vital for us to learn, grow from. i have made plenty, lol

will check the links you gave me.

synergy777

14-10-2007, 06:27 PM

what you guys think of this site

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 06:29 PM

Cordial Felicitations:

My opinion of the Gnostic texts is they take a more esoteric approach to scripture. Like xtian Kabbalism

I approach the Book of Yahweh Mechanically and Mathematically, no Mysticism.

I disassemble as much as possible and lay all the parts on the floor.

I contemplate.

The Light, Tree of Life, Torah is the common Thread from Genesis to Revelation.

It is advised that 35 years of study of the Torah is the proper pre-requisite for study of the Kabbala. This is not heeded in current times.

I dis-agree with the Gnostic arcetypes of Archons and their inclusion of Yahweh. They mis-represent His Character.

I do not think they understand Satan and her powers of deception.

I consider Gnosticism as Jazz compared to Classical composition, the Book of Yahweh and the Message right on the Surface that benefits ALL humans.

No Mysticism

Shalom: Snoopsnuffleopagus

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 06:50 PM

jesus has never mentioned the word "yahweh". where do you get this from?

Cordial Felicitations Bigus Dickus:

Are you referring to the self-imposed Prohibition of the Yahdaim, forbidding of the verbalisation of Yahwehs name, except by the High Priest, who would utter it twice a year in a whisper in the Sanctuary of the Temple?

This is the 'Tradition' Yahshua 'Broke' that angered the religious authorities the most.

The Authorities had substituted the words Adonai, El, Elohim,

Yahshua was restoring usage of Yahwehs name in everyday Life amongst the People. Yahshua always taught that all credit for His activities were due to Yahweh. Yahshua never took credit for Himself.

Do you agree: The 'Original' Texts of the 'New Testament' were scribed in Hebrew.

I am aware a complete New Testament in Hebrew no longer exists, but I believe extrapolating from the Greek of the Septuagint to Root Hebrew words is legitimate. Yahshua, all the Apostles and most of the Disciples were native Hebrew speakers, also Aramaic, and many Greek.

What is the Basis of your statement?

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

synergy777

14-10-2007, 06:57 PM

i believe the archons to be the fallen angels, those that rebelled against yhwh

I do not think they understand Satan and her powers of deception.

what do you mean by this, her, is satan a female/lillith

i thought satan was fallen angel, who battled archangel michael.

i think the elite have tarnished females on purpose, eve etc. its females who allow man to better himself, open him up to the emotional/loving aspect of life, yin and yang.

Yahshua was restoring usage of Yahwehs name in everyday Life amongst the People. Yahshua always taugh that all credit for His activities were due to Yahweh. Yahshua never took credit for Himself.

all teachers from krishna, buddha and yashuah thanked the most high, we are merely instruments/channels of the most high.

like malcom x said, all the good things that have happened, all the good things i have done in my life, have been from the creator, only the mistakes were mine.

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 07:21 PM

i believe the archons to be the fallen angels, those that rebelled against yhwh

what do you mean by this, her, is satan a female/lillith

i thought satan was fallen angel, who battled archangel michael.

all teachers from krishna, buddha and yashuah thanked the most high, we are merely instruments/channels of the most high.

like malcom x said, all the good things that have happened, all the good things i have done in my life, have been from the creator, only the mistakes were mine.

Shalom:

I agree with Malcom X wholeheartedly!.

Syn, all the Satan stuff is in the Book of Yahweh Thread. Yechetzqyah(Ezekiel 28) really nails the identity and character of Satan, Queen of Heaven. Please understand this in no way disparages womankind, whom Yahweh loves as much as Mankind. We are not equals.

A female child is the property of her Father until she is given chaste in marriage to her Husband, She now becomes her Husbands property.

Yahweh and Yahshua are not 90s kinda Guys.

They are currently perceived as Politically Incorrect

The past 6,000 years of History are to inform contemporary Humans that: Diseases, Warfare, Greed, Lusts, Deceptions are negatives in the 'Human Experience'.

Read my last Post in the Book of Yahweh Thread.

You said it yourself: Syn777: The Bible; Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth.

Yahweh will not allow Asshole Humans to Colonise the Universe, nothing personal. Could you imagine?!

Like the way Columbus treated the Arawaks

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 07:24 PM

What is the Basis of your statement?

it's quite obvious. it is not written in any of the ancient texts. if it is, i expect from you to tell me in which book and which verse.

synergy777

14-10-2007, 07:34 PM

i tend to differ on some views bro.

i believe men and women to be equal and not property/chattel.

i think satan is a male/androgynous, personally, he fought against michael, he is using the cover of being female, hence the mystery school stuff. as appearing as a women gives him a better image, of being all caring, liberating, nurturing, trojan horse.

the masons know satan/lucifer as a male. i think this suppression of women, is to cut/control the creative energies of our spirits/mind eg the feminine.

we as spirits need to unify/fuse our male/female, yin/yang, etc. it also destabilises the spiritual union of people, relationships/love/marriage, and the family unit.

if you look at social engineering, life today, the women are becoming more masculine, the men more feminine, what its caused is unrest, confusion, unhappiness, increased breakdown of relationships etc

razed1

14-10-2007, 07:38 PM

i dont think jesus existed as a person

certainly not in the traditional sotry, of being ressurected, walkin on water, visited by 3 kings at birth, virgin birth etc

NO i dont think someone like this existed

synergy777

14-10-2007, 07:48 PM

you are right, he didn't.

yashuah did, the teacher, rebel, check the links out. they use jesus as its the english translation of yashuah. really they should use yashuah, but its semantics.

the jesus they peddle to us one based on the facts they want us to know, with mystery school/antichrist/solar symbolism added on, council of nicea, emperor constantine, trojan horse.

knowing yashuah exists, knowing yhwh, is the loving, merciful, compassionate creator/source is what they want us to disconnect from.

they follow lucifer/satan, we see evil, therefore the very existence of evil proves good exists.

i also believe krishna, buddha to be from the same source as yahsuah as these all have the same message.

the correlation of compassion, love!

razed1

14-10-2007, 08:15 PM

i dont beleive there was a yashuah either

and even if there was, theres nothing special about him to be remembering some guy 2000 yrs later

i dont know if youve seen jordan maxwell "inner world of the occult"

probably one of jordan's best works

but watch that

like the ancients said the 'godforce' of the universe it is IMpersonal, its above human concepts and ideas

and certainly the god force isnt going to send a single person to act as its 'representative' thats something of humanoid politics

but not to say that there arent enlightened beings who walk and enlighten their fellow man, but if this yeshuah was like that, there would be someone somewhere written about yeshuah

check john allegro and 'dead sea scrolls"

scrolls written like in 160 ad or 60 a.d. im not sure (written in aramaic, btw), but they definately dont talk about jesus or a yeshuah, what they do mention is what early christianity was really like, ingesting entheogens, shamanic practices, visitations by spacecrafts!, things of this nature

no mention of any jesus/yeshuah, ANYWHERE

allegro later wrote a book, "sacred mushroom and the cross" which was denounced and suppressed by the vatican

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 08:16 PM

Cordial Felicitations Bigus Dickus:

From the Book of Yahweh published by the House of Yahweh........yahweh.com

Commended for its Excellent Scholarship by Professor Albert Kaufman of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Book of Mattithyah(gift of Yahweh)matthew

22:36 Rabbi(teacher)! What is the greatest Commandment in the Law?

22:37 Yahshua said to him: "You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

22:38 This is the First and Greatest Commandment.

I will seek and produce more.

The name of Yahweh has been removed more than 5,000 times from the very Book He inspired to be written.

Yahweh is not Adonai, El or Elohim or Baal or whatever.

The Septuagint is not the original text of the new testament. It is the oldest that has remained complete.

The Restoration of Yahwehs Name is a legitimate exercise. Forced Logic and Deductive Reasoning bear this out.

Examine His name in the compound names of the Characters and Places of Scripture. Mattithyah=Gift of Yahweh>matthew.

Bigus Dickus: Do you object to the usage of Yahshua(Yahweh is Salvation) rather than Jesus?

Syn777: What I think about the gender issue doesn't matter. Ezekiel 28 informs what it informs and whether I like it or not will not change the information.

To me it all makes perfect sense. A 'Domestic Dispute', Husband and Wife, read the Book of Job with this perspective.

For myself, the Book of Yahweh and its Characters and Stories is endlessly fascinating. The whole Book actually makes a lot of sense. Be nice.

Right now, no Name is more hated than Yahwehs. People do not want to hear it. This is why they killed Yahshua. Against Yahdaim Tradition, He walked around going: "Yahweh this, Yahweh that...". It must of been like Fire upon their Heads, the Pharisees
When the People had their choice between Yahshua and Barabas, they chose Barabas. The Hunter, not the Shepard.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Addendum: Mattithyah 11:11 Truly I say to you: Among those who are born of women, there has not arisen any who is greater than Yahchanan The Immerser(John the Baptist), but he who is least in the Kingdom of Yahweh is greater than he.

Mattithyah 13:11 He answered, and said to them: "Because it has been given to you to know the great secrets of the Kingdom of Yahweh, but to them it has not been given".

13:44 "Again, the Kingdom of Yahweh is like treasure hidden in a field, which when a man finds it, he hides it again, and then in his joy goes and sells all that he has, and buys that field"

synergy777

14-10-2007, 08:32 PM

i have read about allegro, nag hamadi, qumrum, essenes, nazarenes, the teacher of rightenous, etc.

yashuah never said he was the personification/god in person, he said we have spirit/creator in us, hence we all his children/creations. the kingdom of heaven is within, the spirit.

sometimes symbolic meaning has to taken over literal. you have to realise the time of his life, the levels of language/intelligence. he was hardly gonna talk about molecular structure, dimensions, big bang, etc. how many in this modern age know this stuff ?

he saw himself as teacher, helper, normal person. he unlocked his potential, informed himself and wanted others to have the same opportunity to use their abilty.

he gave people his knowledge & love. hence we all children of the creator, all sons and daughters of the creator/source, it was an inclusive and egalitarian message, not divine kingship/elitest.

now why would the elite want to hide that, why would the kings, adherents of the divine right of kings/kings as gods hate that, why would the clergy hate that?

cue bono/who benefits?

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 08:36 PM

From the Book of Yahweh published by the House of Yahweh........yahweh.com

that's not what i asked. here is my exact post again:

it's quite obvious. it is not written in any of the ancient texts. if it is, i expect from you to tell me in which book and which verse.

what you quoted, is from a recent book created in 1987 by a fraud named Yisrayl Hawkins who established the "house of yahweh" cult.

http://www.amightywind.com/counterfeitf/yhawkins.jpg

http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/cults/yisrayl-hawkins.html

cheeb

14-10-2007, 08:43 PM

Cordial Felicitations Bigus Dickus:

When the People had their choice between Yahshua and Barabas, they chose Barabas. The Hunter, not the Shepard.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus,

Who is this Jesus Barabbas,
In aramaic Bar-Abbas means son of the Father,
Ieosoun Bara bban, in Greek.

Jesus Barabbas was a zealot,
a revolutionary hero to messianic jews,
involved in insurrection and charged with sedition.

Josepheus says the zealots attacked the temple,
and slew Johnathan the High Priest.

razed1

14-10-2007, 08:49 PM

synergy777

14-10-2007, 08:58 PM

well they could have just created krishna, and buddha. aswell, how do we know?

peachped

14-10-2007, 09:02 PM

if there was somebody, then why isnt there a record of his existence, anywhere??

ya but, you dont have to go all gaa-gaa over this yeshuah, his message is whats taught in ancient religions,

im just having a problem with glorifying and singling out ONE dude, where theres like nothing written about him by anybody

thats all

Yeah! Yeshua i can boogie but i need a crtain song , jeshua jesus mohammed tommy cooper did they really exist? does their message exist its the message thats imprtant. diuscuss the message not the messanger.

organised relegion is bollocks christianity islam judaism.. i try to do right treat others how you would like to be treated yourself.

http://www.poetseers.org/imagelib/mac/sea

razed1

14-10-2007, 09:05 PM

well they could have just created krishna, and buddha. aswell, how do we know?

yea they pretty much did

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 09:14 PM

Cordial Felicitations! Razed 1 & Peachped & Cheeb:

Razed 1: The Historocity of Yahshua is well documented and established.
For Sources examine the Encyclopedia Judaica. Numerous articles with citations for sources.

Peachped: The message has been discussed, Yahshuas message is about Father Yahweh and His Torah. Easy! :)

Cheeb: Barabas & Yahshua Hunter & Shepard.

Hunter: Expends 'Energy' of other 'Beings' for personal Benefit

Shepard: Expends ones own 'Energy' for the Benefit of others.

Shalom: Snoopsnuffleopagus

razed1

14-10-2007, 09:17 PM

http://www.poetseers.org/imagelib/mac/sea

*
the LiGhT shall never be defeated!

razed1

14-10-2007, 09:19 PM

Razed 1: The Historocity of Yahshua is well documented and established.
For Sources examine the Encyclopedia Judaica. Numerous articles with citations for sources.

they also have scientific evidence proving that flouride is good for your health good for your teeth

Shalom!

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 09:23 PM

Cordial Felicitations, Razed 1:

yes, they also tell us Depleted Uranium is harmless.

Double Shalom! Snoopsnuffleopagus

razed1

14-10-2007, 09:25 PM

Cordial Felicitations, Razed 1:

yes, they also tell us Depleted Uranium is harmless.

Double Shalom! Snoopsnuffleopagus

they also tell you yashuah was a real person!

triple SHALOM!!!

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 09:32 PM

Cordial Felicitations Razed 1!:

That would be: Yahshua(Yahweh is Salvation) :)

Quadruple Shalom X Infinity: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Addendum: Next Post: Bigus Dickus: You have defined: YEshua...He who saves Aramaic

All Yahweh All the Time

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 09:45 PM

That would be: Yahshua(Yahweh is Salvation) :)

nope. it means "he (God) is salvation"

razed1

14-10-2007, 09:45 PM

Cordial Felicitations Razed 1!:

That would be: Yahshua(Yahweh is Salvation) :)

Quadruple Shalom X Infinity: Snoopsnuffleopagus

yahweh wasnt a person, or even an alien

its an expression for the creative force, tetragramatton

the first cretive force of energy that is released, like the release of energy/emotion one experiences during an orgasm,

this is the real meaning of YAHWEH

SAT SRI AKAL! x ad infinitum

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 09:52 PM

razed1

14-10-2007, 09:56 PM

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/69/Tetragrammaton-Tetractys.png

the tetra is the bottom, the tri is the one above it

here it is in the middle of the sun, in vatican, sorry for the big size

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Tetragrammaton_Paris_StMichele.JPG

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 09:58 PM

here, read this

http://www.personalpastor.org/NameofJesus.htm

His name in Aramaic was Yeshuah. That is what he was called by his family and friends. Yeshuah means "he who saves" or "he will save" or "Savior" (see Matt. 1:21). Since Hebrew and Aramaic had no vowels, his name was written the same way as Yoshuah, which is Joshua in English. There are only three letters in his name. The first letter is pronounced yoad. That can be transliterated as a Y or a J in English. The second letter is pronounced sheen, which is SH in English. The third letter is pronounced hay, which is an H in English.

His name in Greek was 'Iesous, which is pronounced Yay-soos. The letters are Iota, Eta, Sigma, Omicron, Upsilon, Sigma. The little mark in front of the first letter tells us that this beginning vowel is not preceded by an H. This translated into Latin with the same pronunciation as in Greek, but was spelled Jesus. The Greek and Latin translations had no meanings like the Hebrew word, but were mere transliterations.

cheeb

14-10-2007, 10:02 PM

Cordial Felicitations Razed 1:

Craig Oxley!! :eek: Is that you?!!

Razed 1: You have provided the definition of the TRI-Grammaton, of Northern Semitic origin. A Grammatical change of possesion occurred in the change to the TETRA-Grammaton.

TRI-Grammaton= 'HE' who is the cause of creation

to

TETRA-Grammaton= 'I' am the cause of all that is created.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

This is your father Yahweh,
A Phonecian Idol:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1108/220pxzeusyahwehez0.jpg

See the tetragrammaton in there,
Some one has led you up the Garden Path!!!

Sunshine!!!

bigus_dickus

14-10-2007, 10:04 PM

prof. Bart D. Ehrman and "Misquoting Jesus" lecture

peep:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=397006836098752165

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=397006836098752165

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 10:27 PM

Cordial Felicitations Cheeb:

Yes, the Phoenicians knew who Yahweh is.

You do not.

Double Sunshine, Double Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

cheeb

14-10-2007, 10:31 PM

Cordial Felicitations Cheeb:

Yes, the Phoenicians knew who Yahweh is.

You do understand the way of the world!!!

Double Sunshine, Double Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Thank You!!!

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 10:34 PM

Cordial Felicitations: Cheeb!:

:) works for me! you are one of my favorite Robots!

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

cheeb

14-10-2007, 10:39 PM

Cordial Felicitations: Cheeb!:

:) works for me! you are one of my favorite Robots!

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

:)
I Wanted to be your favorite Robot!

mr_moon

14-10-2007, 10:44 PM

I'm Jesus...

"No I'M Jesus!!"

----no you're not...i am....

>>>>>Excuse me mate but i think you will find that I am Jesus thankyou very much...

I know someone called Jesus... but i think he was copying me.

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 11:02 PM

BREAKING GNUs!!!.....DITDITDITDOTDITDITDIT.............this just in from our Researcher in the field, Snoopsnuffleopagus.

Ladies & Gentlemen, Cordial Felicitations:

The Encyclopedia Judaica......Volume10, page 10 reads:.....'Both of the Chief Sources of the Synoptic Gospels, the old account, and the collection of Jesus' sayings were produced in the primitive Christian congregation in Jerusalem, and were translated into Greek from Aramaic or Hebrew.

They contained the picture of Jesus as seen by the Disciples who knew Him.

The present Gospels are redactions of these two sources, which were often changed as a result of ecclesiastical tendentiousness'.

Shalom: Snoopsnuffleopagus

cheeb

14-10-2007, 11:04 PM

YHVH-Shem HaMoforesh'
The Brilliant name of Fire,

Hashem-The Name,

Verb-HVH-To Be

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1494/handsac8.gif

You Might Recognise this hand symbol from Star Trek,
It is actually form the Sheckinall,
Ritual,

The Prescence of The Female Aspect Of God,
In The Congregation!!!

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 11:10 PM

Greetings & Salutations:

It is written(kabala?) Yahweh first wrote the Torah in White Fire upon Black Fire(or the other way around)

Its Been a Slice! Snoopsnuffleopagus

Cheeb: Is this information you present Kabala?

cheeb

14-10-2007, 11:22 PM

snoopsnuffleopagus

14-10-2007, 11:29 PM

Cordial Felicitations Cheeb:

D'OH!!! Are you likea Pastafarian?

Kindest Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

cheeb

14-10-2007, 11:57 PM

Cordial Felicitations Cheeb:

D'OH!!! Are you likea Pastafarian?

Kindest Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

What you mean The FSM,
No but I am Aware Of Them!

They have no Devil In their Religion Yet,
I Tried to sign onto their website,
and Create one,
Cthulu, but they wouldn't have it!!!

LOL

;)

synergy777

15-10-2007, 02:12 PM

heres a thing.

yashuah/yeshua was his name.

the church/masons use yhwh and yashuah on a cross as their symbolism.

the rastas, hindus/sikhs, jews know a creator as jah or wahe. jah is from yah, wahe = yahweh. both have nazarite vows, vegetarian/ital food.

i believe yashuah/yeshua existed, semantics/translations does make things hard. aramic, hebrew, greek, etc .

yashuah existed, then one could dedude it means "god/creator/source is salavation".

one could also deduce that yahweh/yhwh is god. remember people in those times were not allowed to use the name, they had to use g-d, adonai, etc.

to completely accurate, one could use source/most high/father, thus negating the use of the personal name.

semantics is important, but more important than that is the message.

1love.

snoopsnuffleopagus

15-10-2007, 03:42 PM

Cordial Felicitations Synergy777:

The Message is the Torah. Everything else is the 'Vehicle' to deliver the Message.

I referenced some Characters in prior Post.

Yahweh has had wide spread Servants.

Cyrus the Great

Melchizedek

Cornelius the Roman Centurion

All advanced Yahwehs Plan.

The Torah is a 'Guiding Light' for Morality in Human Inter-relations.

Obedience to the Laws would eliminate 'Broken' Families, STDs, Wars, Famines, Homelessness, Theft, Crime, Many other Diseases,

Human resources now allocated to Police, Military, Social Services, would be redirected to the benefit of all society.

My 'Belief' is Yahshua is the 'Penultimate' Paradigm.

Notice how His original Message is 'twisted'.

'Yahshua did away with the Laws of the Torah' THIS IS FALSE.

As Humans in Western Techno-Cratic Societies we may embrace any Beliefs or Doctrines we so desire.

The Doctrines of Yahweh and Yahshua recieve the greatest condemnation.

Even Christianity rejects them.

Thank You & Kind Regards:Snoopsnuffleopagus

razed1

16-10-2007, 02:26 AM

umm if youre trying to find out the truth, and stil percive yahweh and jesus/yashuah as actual ppl,

then your missing the point

still looking at this information from a left brained perspective, the illuminati really have done a good job of misconstruing the truth, average person has to go through so many levels of 'coding' to reach an understanding

snoopsnuffleopagus

16-10-2007, 04:06 AM

Cordial Felicitations Razed 1:

Thank You for your input.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

synergy777

16-10-2007, 05:54 PM

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Historical & Scientific Overview of Enlightenment
by Sol Luckman

Many ancient traditions worldwide maintain that humans not only inherently possess the potential for fully incarnating light at the physiological level, but that some have already achieved it, and millions more will do so in the very era in which we live.

The historical literature "suggests that there are unusual physical, as well as psychological, consequences in humans to the attainment of the exalted state of mind known as enlightenment," writes biochemist Colm Kelleher in a fascinating article published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration entitled "Retrotransposons as Engines of Human Bodily Transformation." "These reported changes include, but are not limited to, sudden reversal of aging, emergence of a light body and observed bodily ascension." While many of these descriptions associate the lightbody with death, Kelleher makes it clear that a number of reports indicate that "transformation of the body can happen independently of death."

The path of physical transcendence or bio-spiritual enlightenment through lightbody activation was embraced as a reality in most of the ancient world. The death and resurrection of Christ and Osirus are two famous examples from the Near East. In the Middle Ages, a group known as the Cathars from southern France claimed to possess the secret gospel of Jesus called the Gospel of Love, believed to contain linguistic keys for creating the lightbody.

After the existence of this text became known, the Roman church began to torture the Cathars in one of its infamous Inquisitions, killing millions of innocent people--at which point the Gospel of Love mysteriously disappeared. Ironically, owing to the stringent proof requirements for canonization of saints, the Catholic church maintains some of the most detailed records of paranormal phenomena associated with the lightbody, including several instances of individuals levitating, flying, or bilocating.

It seems that the gospel of Love was, among other things, a manual for creating the merkabah. The merkabah, according to investigative mythologist William Henry, is the "light body vehicle of resurrection and ascension that is the foundation of Hebrew mysticism. These texts make it clear that the Mer-Ka-Ba is a vehicle of light that emerges from within the human body."

Henry points to the resurrection, following which the doubting fingers of Thomas appear to enter Christ's transfigured, luminescent flesh, as one famous description of the completely activated lightbody. In an article entitled "Finding the Holy Grail," psychologists Barry and Janae Weinhold make a similar claim, pointing out on the basis of decades of in-depth historical research that the "individual human body is the Holy Grail. It isn't something 'out there.' Like a tuning fork, the body can be tuned to different frequencies," including that of Source, through DNA activation.

"Many indigenous traditions of Mesoamerica believe that [Source] emits a frequency or tone known as 'Ge' that not only heals the body-mind-spirit but provides immortality," write the Weinholds, adding that the spiritual practices used in the ancient mystery schools of Egypt and Greece employed a variety of . vibrational tools to attune people's DNA to Source. This caused the DNA to ring, sing or vibrate so that it resonated with the tone of Ge--the frequency of Galactic Center. This attunement activated a San Graal or Song Grail--a "love song in the blood"--creating a rainbow bridge that synchronized an initiate's consciousness with Source. This love song energetically united Heaven (Galactic Center) with Earth (initiates), opening human hearts and pumping crystallized Ge-tuned blood through their bodies. From this perspective, "Ge-sus" is a Master Being sent from Tula or Galactic Center to help humanity attune its DNA to the frequency of Ge so that we can return to Source.

In a nearly identical vein, Leonard Horowitz in DNA: Pirates of the Sacred Spiral writes that "DNA seems to be transmitting the equivalent of heavenly love songs. From this music, played through genetic equipment, variations in sacred geometric forms materialize in space."

The profound and numerous connections between the Egyptian Osirus and Jesus have been noted by generations of scholars. Among many other similarities, both are linked to the phoenix or heron, represented in hieroglyphics coming from Galactic Center, also (as indicated in the above quote by the Weinholds) called Tula, carrying the key of life.

In Egyptian hieroglyphics this key appears as an ankh, which may have been a type of actual tuning fork for harmonizing with Galactic Center, or may have merely symbolized techniques for producing this celestial harmonization. In either case, the ankh or key of life is of a musical nature and designed to be employed along with a type of inspired (and inspiring) speech known as the Language of the Birds. This powerful combination, properly performed, keys DNA to build the Holy Grail or lightbody.

The Language of the Birds, according to the Weinholds who cite Henry's research, "is a vowel-only phonetic code . Genetic and linguistic research indicates that the five vowels correspond to the five letters used to represent DNA and RNA . Initiates of the Language of the Birds who are able to speak or tone these vowels in certain ways know that these sounds permanently activate the DNA of all those who are able and willing to hear."

At the genetic level, such a radical activation, according to Kelleher's research in the mutable components of DNA called "jumping" DNA or transposons, occurs through a transposition burst involving the molecular rearrangement of perhaps thousands of genes. Consistent with Bruce Lipton's evidence that consciousness can alter genetic ..The Biology of Belief) and David Wilcock's compelling model of spontaneous evolution that simultaneously transmutes both consciousness and biology ("A Scientific Blueprint for Ascension"), Kelleher insists that true enlightenment, in addition to being a mental state, appears to have physical consequences.

The "appearance of a light body as a result of attaining enlightenment, could be described as the emergence of a new species in a single generation from humanity," he writes, adding that a "synchronized, non random transposition burst is the most simple molecular mechanism to account for the required new configuration."

While pointing out based on the historical literature that lightbody creation appears to occur only "in humans who have attained spiritual mastery," Kelleher emphasizes the existence of "stages on the road to, enlightenment [that are] experienced by a great number of ordinary people." This supports the potential effectiveness of a step-by-step process, such as DNA activation, to bio-spiritual enlightenment in which transposons are incrementally stimulated in preparatory phases--culminating in a "synchronized, non random transposition burst" when, and only when, the individual is consciously prepared to experience it.

In one apocryphal text known as the Pistis Sophia, Jesus (considered a master of the Language of the Birds) discourses on the afterlife in terms that appear straight out of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Henry calls this "the first lesson of the Mer-Ka-Ba mysticism." "You are to seek after the mysteries of the Light," Jesus is quoted as saying, "which purify the body and make it into refined light."

Later, Jesus describes the connection between our dimension and higher dimensions as operating "from within outwards"--a statement, according to Henry, that "refers to a transformation of consciousness that opens the door to other worlds." Similarly, in the Bible Jesus insists, The Kingdom of Heaven is within. Dr. Horowitz's meticulous research leads him to affirm the material truth of this assertion: "The bioacoustic and electromagnetic matrix through which the Holy Spirit flows is real. It's what animates your DNA [by transmitting] the Kingdom of Heaven to you, and through you, right now, on Earth as it is in Heaven."

Another important figure from the Mediterranean associated with the lightbody is the Egyptian Thoth, called Hermes Trimegistus by the Greeks and considered the father of alchemy. Thoth is credited with the enormously influential phrase "As above, so below." Of the many seemingly miraculous gifts he brought his people, arguably the bird-headed Thoth's most important legacy is the doctrine of inner or spiritual light that can literally metamorphose the human body into a physiology of divine radiance. Interestingly, Thoth was also revered as the creator of writing and his alchemical science of transformation, like that of Jesus, is associated with the Language of the Birds.

The lightbody is also a theme in the ancient mystical traditions of Central and South America. A variety of mythical figures exist similar to the Incan god-man Amanumuru, who according to legend walked through a portal called the Muru Doorway and returned via the Black Road to his true home among the stars.

In what is today Mexico, a figure known as Quetzalcoatl embodied the higher light of divinity. Judith Bluestone Polich has called Quetzalcoatl "the Osirus of Mesoamerica" and sees him as symbolizing the bridging of duality, a being who "represents light in physical form . freed from the confines of matter." Daniel Pinchbeck's fascinating new book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl offers another insightful perspective on this highly complex figure from myth, legend, and--perhaps--reality.

It seems poetic justice that Quetzalcoatl is usually depicted as a serpent with bird wings--an obvious reference to the ability of DNA (symbolized by the serpent, as in Jeremy Narby's The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge) to transform one into an angelic being capable of flight, which is an excellent definition of the merkabah.

Equally important is that Quetzalcoatl is thought to have revitalized the great ceremonial center of Teotihuacan, believed by some archeologists to be Earth's interdimensional gateway to the legendary Tula, the celestial home of Quetzalcoatl--and perhaps other "messianic" herons or phoenixes who arrived in this dimension carrying the key of life, or the knowledge of how to inspire ("breathe life") by speaking or singing the bio-spiritual Language of the Birds.

Copyright © 2006 by Sol Luckman. All Rights Reserved. Sol Luckman is managing editor of 'DNA Monthly' and co-founder of the Phoenix Center for Regenetics, offering cutting-edge educational services and materials designed to activate unity consciousness and actualize human potential.

For more information visit
the Centre for Regenetics
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or call 1-828-216-3982

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snoopsnuffleopagus

16-10-2007, 06:11 PM

Cordial Felicitations:

Good points in above Post.

At this time we are 'Partially' complete Beings, this is due to our Emotional, Mental, Physical and Spiritual Retardation.

It is written: Upon 'Proper' Baptism into the Family of Yahweh, the Holy Spirit, (a 'Force', not a 'Being') enters the Body and begins changing the DNA of the recipient.

Quality Control Verses in the Book of Yahweh informs: that the Holy Spirit will not Dwell or remain in a Being not keeping or making an honest attempt to keep, the Laws of Yahweh.

Do you think the Holy Spirit resides at the Vatican?

Would you find the Holy Spirit in a church on Sunday Morning?

I think not.

Yahshua provided explicit teaching as how to achieve what He achieved.

Yahshua was Subject to, and Obeyed Father Yahweh in all ways.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

synergy777

31-10-2007, 01:10 PM

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=1347

Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah

Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said:

Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.

Thisis I have signed in the month of mercy,
Yitzhak Kaduri

The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are eectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

With one of Israel’s most prominent rabbis indicating the name of the Messiah is Yeshua, it is understandable why his last wish was to wait one year after his death before revealing what he wrote.

When the name of Yehoshua appeared in Kaduri’s message, ultra-Orthodox Jews from his Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva (seminary) in Jerusalem argued that their master did not leave the exact solution for decoding the Messiah’s name.

The revelation received scant coverage in the Israeli media. Only the Hebrew websites News First Class (Nfc) and Kaduri.net mentioned the Messiah note, insisting it was authentic. The Hebrew daily Ma'ariv ran a story on the note but described it as a forgery.

Jewish readers responded on the websites' forums with mixed feelings: “So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?” and “The Christians are dancing and celebrating,” were among the comments.

Israel Today spoke to two of Kaduri’s followers in Jerusalem who admitted that the note was authentic, but confusing for his followers as well. “We have no idea how the Rabbi got to this name of the Messiah,” one of them said.

Yet others completely deny any possibility that the note is authentic. Kaduri’s son, Rabbi David Kaduri, said that at the time the note was written (September 2005), his father’s physical condition made it impossible for him to write.

KADURI'S PORTRAYAL OF THE MESSIAH

A few months before Kaduri died at the age of 108, he surprised his followers when he told them that he met the Messiah. Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, teaching how to recognize the Messiah. He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death. (The former prime minister is still in a coma after suffering a massive stroke more than a year ago.)

Other rabbis predict the same, including Rabbi Haim Cohen, kabbalist Nir Ben Artzi and the wife of Rabbi Haim Kneiveskzy.

Kaduri’s grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri, said his grandfather spoke many times during his last days about the coming of the Messiah and redemption through the Messiah.

His spiritual portrayals of the Messiah—reminiscent of New Testament accounts—were published on the websites Kaduri.net and Nfc:

“It is hard for many good people in society to understand the person of the Messiah. The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign.

“Will all believe in the Messiah right away? No, in the beginning some of us will believe in him and some not. It will be easier for non-religious people to follow the Messiah than for Orthodox people.

“The revelation of the Messiah will be fullled in two stages: First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah.”

FAREWELL TO A 'TSADIK'

Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri was known for his photographic memory and his memorization of the Bible, the Talmud, Rashi and other Jewish writings. He knew Jewish sages and celebrities of the last century and rabbis who lived in the Holy Land and kept the faith alive before the State of Israel was born.

Kaduri was not only highly esteemed because of his age of 108. He was charismatic and wise, and chief rabbis looked up to him as a Tsadik, a righteous man or saint. He would give advice and blessings to everyone who asked. Thousands visited him to ask for counsel or healing. His followers speak of many miracles and his students say that he predicted many disasters.

When he died, more than 200,000 people joined the funeral procession on the streets of Jerusalem to pay their respects as he was taken to hisfinal resting place.

“When he comes, the Messiah will rescue Jerusalem from foreign religions that want to rule the city,” Kaduri once said. “They will not succeed for they will fight against one another.”

THE RABBI'S FOLLOWERS REACT

In an interview with Israel Today, Rabbi David Kaduri, the 80-year-old son of the late Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, denied that his father left a note with the name Yeshua just before he died.

“It’s not his writing,” he said when we showed him a copy of the note.

During a nighttime meeting in the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva in Jerusalem, books with the elder Kaduri’s handwriting from 80 years ago were presented to us in an attempt to prove that the Messiah note was not authentic.

When we told Rabbi Kaduri that his father’s official website (www.kaduri.net) had mentioned the Messiah note, he was shocked. “Oh no! That’s blasphemy. The people could understand that my father pointed to him [the Messiah of the Christians].”

David Kaduri confirmed, however, that in his last year, his father had talked and dreamed almost exclusively about the Messiah and his coming. “My father has met the Messiah in a vision,” he said, “and told us that he would come soon.”

Israel Today was given access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. Most striking were the cross-like symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages. In the Jewish tradition, one does not use crosses. In fact, even the use of a plus sign is discouraged because it might be mistaken for a cross.

But there they were, scribbled in the rabbi's own hand. When we asked what those symbols meant, Rabbi David Kaduri said they were “signs of the angel." Pressed further about the meaning of the “signs of the angel," he said he had no idea. Rabbi David Kaduri went on to explain that only his father had had a spiritual relationship with God and had met the Messiah in his dreams.

Orthodox Jews around the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva told Israel Today a few weeks later that the story about the secret note of Rabbi Kaduri should never have come out, and that it had damaged the name the revered old sage.

jews and christians should realise that the rejection of yashuah by the jewish/roman authorities in the days of yashuah was not the fault of the people, but the corrupt clergy/poiticians. the same clergy/elite who are in power today. jew/christian/muslim and hindu/buddhist/sikh, are all the same. i think the opposition by contemprary jews in this article is way of avoiding the truth, the harsh truth of his rejection/betrayal/execution by the elite.

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hopefully he will come into public life/web very soon, so we can all learn and support him. one love.

randyt

31-10-2007, 09:46 PM

So why is everybody awaiting the return of Jesus waiting for a "He"?

God has both "Sons" and "Daughters" right, so for all we know this time around God will send his "daughter" and for all we know "She" is already here..

but then again maybe not.

Or maybe (to quote Bill Hicks):

"The Prince of Peace is back, and he's pixxed off". :)

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Makonde/video/1412147/Bill-Hicks_It/'s-Just-a-Ride_Revelations-[Documentary]

Randy

informationx

01-11-2007, 12:38 AM

Apparently jesus may of looked something like this, considering the area he was born in.

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_jesuslead-lg.jpg

mariag

01-11-2007, 08:26 AM

A question or rather a statement!
The illuminati wrote the Bible and Rome took profit right so The "Real" Jesus, surely He or She is just another "word or name" meaning The Sun.?!
So why this search for a real jesus or messiah that neither exist or could save us from the NWO due to its non existence?:confused::confused:

synergy777

02-11-2007, 01:45 PM

ask yourself, why the people who killed him, the elite/clergy, were then the controllers of his message. it pays to question the agenda/bias of those who write/edit texts.

iif the elite/clergy loved him, he wouldn't have been killed by them would he.

simple logic dear watson.

tothestars

02-11-2007, 02:37 PM

I thought Jesus's name was Emanuel.

Why do you keep using the name the church gave him ? :rolleyes:

serpentoffire

02-11-2007, 04:11 PM

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The Shroud is a "mirror" immage of the Yashua, and its image is a reminiscence of the crucifixion of Christ, impressed in the sheet, and of the deposition.

The shroud is a linen sheet, 4.36 metres long by 1.10 metres wide. Other than the two dark parallel lines with the white triangles, burn marks (from the Chambéry fire in 1532) and the imprint of an image - front and back - of a man who died from crucifixion, are clearly visible.

The Shroud arrived in Turin in 1578 from Chambéry, then the capital of the Duchy of Savoy, and it has been kept in Turin Cathedral ever since. Reliable historical documents record the Shroud's movements, without interruption, from the mid-fourteenth century. It is known that in 1350s the Shroud was in Lirey, France, and perhaps previously it was in the East, initially in Edessa and later in Constantinople, before being brought to Europe during the Crusades. In 1453 it was ceded to Duke Louis of Savoy, and followed the ruling family when the capital of Savoy was transferred to Piedmont. Since 1694 it has been kept (brief interruptions aside) in the splendid chapel that Guarino Guarini built between the Cathedral and the Royal Palace. Umberto II left the Shroud to the Pope in his will, and in 1983 it became the property of the Holy Sec. The Holy Shroud has been publicly displayed over the last four centuries, most recently in 1978, to celebrate the four-hundredth anniversary of its arrival in Turin.
The Shroud began to "surprise" a century ago when it was photographed for the first time by Secondo Pia, in 1898.The negative of that photograph revealed in detail, and with even greater clarity than the positive image, all the "wounds" that the Shroud preserved.

How was the image on the Shroud formed?

Science has not yet come up with any plausible explanations. Below is a list of definitive results from research carried out this century:
the image is not a painting, and it was left by the corpse of a man who was beaten and crucified. Computer processing has shown that the image has three-dimensional properties, something which neither paintings nor standard photographs possess.
Pollens have been found on the cloth, strongly supporting the view that the Shroud spent time not only in Europe but also in the Near East.
Tests on traces of blood from the Shroud have revealed the presence of human blood from blood group AB.

razed1

03-11-2007, 01:55 PM

i reiterate

there was no person called jesus/yashuah

and if there was, then theres was nothing special about him that made him different from any other person

and i dont just mean that as a warm fuzzy

the stories that we know of as being attributed to jesus, were not characteristics of any single person

serpentoffire

03-11-2007, 02:36 PM

razed1

03-11-2007, 03:06 PM

You don't exist, you are an imaginary entity on my web browser, maybe a troll of zionists.

yes troll this and troll that

why do u get so defensive, like your related to the jesus or something

you owe nothing to jesus or chrisitianity, thus you should look at things from and objective pov

serpentoffire

03-11-2007, 03:49 PM

yes troll this and troll that

why do u get so defensive, like your related to the jesus or something

you owe nothing to jesus or chrisitianity, thus you should look at things from and objective pov

Please review before what I wrote in this thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12941
Maybe you could learn something.
Bye zionist troll

razed1

03-11-2007, 04:12 PM

i saw the thread you mentioned

it seems you have alot to learn, your perceptions are limited by the self induced paradigm cage you dwell in

you might talk alot about meta physical things, but you dont have any real implicit understanding of the things your talking about

a great teacher once told me:

to say the right things is not the same thing as to do the right things

p.s. why are you callin me a 'zionist' ??

serpentoffire

03-11-2007, 04:29 PM

it seems you have alot to learn, your perceptions are limited by the self induced paradigm cage you dwell in
you might talk alot about meta physical things, but you dont have any real implicit understanding of the things your talking about

Really, do you think that to have chakras, kundalini, telepaty, clairvoyance, visions and contacts with holy trinity, angels, demons and spiritis is a limited self induced paradigm? OK, It is your opinion.
I know very well the work of psichiatrist like Milton Erickson (the father of NLP) and this have nothing to share with what I described.

p.s. why are you callin me a 'zionist' ??

Cos You are negating the Nazarene like Zionists.

razed1

03-11-2007, 04:50 PM

Really, do you think that to have chakras, kundalini, telepaty, clairvoyance, visions and contacts with holy trinity, angels, demons and spiritis is a limited self induced paradigm? OK, It is your opinion.
I know very well the work of psichiatrist like Milton Erickson (the father of NLP) and this have nothing to share with what I described.

Cos You are negating the Nazarene like Zionists.

like i said your talking a whole lotta jazz, but if you truly understood kundalini energy and telepathy, then you would know that the 'muse' does not need to work through certain individuals to 'spread the word'

this is against everything nature stands for, contact with your higher self (as you should know) is instantaneous, the universal godforce doesnt need to go through certain ppl, when the time is right, all souls will simultaneously be enlightened, as we all shall see come 2012,

but point being, your idea that this jesus figure, or nazarene whatever, is divine, or anymore divine than the rest of us peasents, this is FALSE

and this is why i said you have lot to learn,

and calling me a troll or zionists, just cause im giving you another point of view on this situation, shows just how much you are interested in upholding you worldview rather than be in search of the truth

serpentoffire

04-11-2007, 02:25 PM

this is against everything nature stands for, contact with your higher self (as you should know) is instantaneous, the universal godforce doesnt need to go through certain ppl, when the time is right, all souls will simultaneously be enlightened, as we all shall see come 2012

blah, blah, blah about ascension

but point being, your idea that this jesus figure, or nazarene whatever, is divine, or anymore divine than the rest of us peasents, this is FALSE
We have a lot a proof about his existence (and his divinity). Quo'ran gives additional proofs. Only Jews negate the Nazarene, probably because they killed him and still wait their messiah that will be our Anti-Christ, described in Quo'ran as Dajjal. So if you continue to claim this please give us a reliable proof or your claims are only singular opinions and nothing else.

razed1

04-11-2007, 02:34 PM

blah, blah, blah about ascension

We have a lot a proof about his existence (and his divinity). Quo'ran gives additional proofs. Only Jews negate the Nazarene, probably because they killed him and still wait their messiah that will be our Anti-Christ, described in Quo'ran as Dajjal. So if you continue to claim this please give us a reliable proof or your claims are only singular opinions and nothing else.

wow , so u can talk about having spiritual guardians and telepathic communications with other realms, but ascencion is too far fetched for you?!?

LMAO

u just stick to your nazarene or whatever and do your thing

it seems ppl who claim to be so enlightened are in reality exhanging a bigger mental prison than a smaller one

SMH :rolleyes:

razed1

04-11-2007, 02:42 PM

btw, i hope u know, the only reason you muslim is because hordes of minions of the 'church' MURDERED and SLAUGHTERED your forefathers to convert to islam, or DEATH by the sword

any1 who is christian, jewish, muslim in todays world, that defends it like they own it or invented it, i just LAUGH

even the word ISLAM = SUBMIT

i dont wanna be under any 'god' that needs me to submit to 'his' will, this more of that jehovah/saturnian patriarch type of mentality that has controlled the world for the past 2000 yrs, and hasnt the world been a nice place for the past 2000 yrs?

i heard somewhere, the biggest irony of the human race, is that they continue to worship those gods that abused them the most

serpentoffire

04-11-2007, 02:57 PM

razed1

04-11-2007, 03:14 PM

Your rejection to all holy things is only a form of possession.

Check this: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13184

Hebraism, Islam and catholicism all believe in the same divinities. I believe that these religions are not in contrast but complementary. I believe that most of Buddism philosophies are complementary too. So I don't negate nothing instead of you.

My beliefs are not in contrast with Icke's alien conspiracy that it's only the global deception performed by Satan and his demons and spirits to mind control people spreading false ideologies and beliefs in the world.

You are only a victim of this deception.

you assume too much on what you think "I" believe

its just a matter of you doing some unbiased research from unbiased sources of HIStory

there is no 'satan' or shataan, that stands in opposition to 'allah' who is watching your every move, all day and all night long, and once you die, you will be 'judged' and go to heaven

you dont even recognize the sataniC nature of HALAL and kosher meat, yes you perform a SACRIFICE every time you kill an animal in the halal way

you cant even see the whats in front of your nose, and you wanna talk about kundalini and contact with the holy trinity???

as long as you perceive 'god' as a personality, who has his select few 'divine' beings that 'he' sends once in a while for us to worship, you are totally missing the real ballgame

thats just the sad truth, get out of this 'us vs them' attitude, there is no US, the muslim leaders and ppl who CREATED islam, care nothing for you or your family, when are u ppl going to see this

lol possession, yes im sure its real easy for your mind to think about things in terms of good vs evil, gods vs demons, etc etc

this is a very limited perception of your world, but either you 'grow up' mentally or nature will do it for u

the real history of earth is bautiful and magical, the arabian history is rich with knowledge and magic, but its not what you arabians are today, the stuff you think is myth and legend, this is our true past and pedigree, but this is prob 'kook' talk for you right

synergy777

04-11-2007, 08:22 PM

serpentoffire

04-11-2007, 08:22 PM

As I said I know NLP. You are writing subliminal words in your latest posts :
MURDERED SLAUGHTERED
DEATH LAUGH ISLAM
SUBMIT HIS C HALAL (anagram of ISCHALLAH)
SACRIFICE US CREATED ....(next post??)

I think a little bit offensive for Islam (are you Jew?)

there is no 'satan' or shataan, that stands in opposition to 'allah' who is watching your every move, all day and all night long, and once you die, you will be 'judged' and go to heaven

First of all, Allah, Yhvh, Jeohwa are different names for the same God (anyway I'm Catholic). Satan is the creator of great deception we are living through time loop, mind control, energy vampirism, virtual economy, ...

Nobody will judge us, we are judges of ourself. If your soul is able to fly away from this plane of reality you are safe. If your soul is dark, not having enough energy because you have fornicated with Satan giving to him your spiritual energy, you'll remain trapped in the Matrix (and I see a lot of persons around me with dark aura) becoming food for Lucifer, the spider Jabulon, the Great Architect of Universe.

you dont even recognize the sataniC nature of HALAL and kosher meat, yes you perform a SACRIFICE every time you kill an animal in the halal way

I know very well kosher sacrifices because my father worked for Jews and when I was child the rabbi requested to my father the permission to perform circumcision on me.

Why do jews are so bloody? Why do they like to pour blood for their God? I think that rabbis take too literally the Bible. The blood is the vital energy of body. I think that the Bibble talks instead of spiritual energy of our soul.

you cant even see the whats in front of your nose, and you wanna talk about kundalini and contact with the holy trinity???

Why not? Kundalini is our gate to have contact with our creator. Our personal antenna to stay in contact with our brothers.

as long as you perceive 'god' as a personality, who has his select few 'divine' beings that 'he' sends once in a while for us to worship, you are totally missing the real ballgame

God sends a lot of saints on this earth to help us. Yashuah, Maometto, Buddha are all expressions of God.

thats just the sad truth, get out of this 'us vs them' attitude, there is no US, the muslim leaders and ppl who CREATED islam, care nothing for you or your family, when are u ppl going to see this

Islam is a religion, leaders are only puppets under direct control of spirits.

lol possession, yes im sure its real easy for your mind to think about things in terms of good vs evil, gods vs demons, etc etc
this is a very limited perception of your world, but either you 'grow up' mentally or nature will do it for u

Where do you live? On the moon. This is a real (physical) perception. All religions in this earth know the existence of spirits. What Icke said about repts is fully related to spirits activity.

synergy777

04-11-2007, 08:46 PM

serpent well put, after one reads about all religions, only then is he/she in a postion to comment from an informed postion.

well done on reading about all religions, also your view on the time loop, spirits after death etc very good.

its rare to find people who inform themselves first before passing judgements, which come from mere speculation and prejudices.

you are a good soul bro, 1love/peace.

living in italy, hope everything is good, did you watch the calcio, empoli versus roma, great game.

serpentoffire

04-11-2007, 08:57 PM

did you watch the calcio, empoli versus roma, great game.

Shit 2-2 (forza Roma anyway)

mariag

04-11-2007, 11:04 PM

you assume too much on what you think "I" believe

its just a matter of you doing some unbiased research from unbiased sources of HIStory

there is no 'satan' or shataan, that stands in opposition to 'allah' who is watching your every move, all day and all night long, and once you die, you will be 'judged' and go to heaven

you dont even recognize the sataniC nature of HALAL and kosher meat, yes you perform a SACRIFICE every time you kill an animal in the halal way

you cant even see the whats in front of your nose, and you wanna talk about kundalini and contact with the holy trinity???

as long as you perceive 'god' as a personality, who has his select few 'divine' beings that 'he' sends once in a while for us to worship, you are totally missing the real ballgame

thats just the sad truth, get out of this 'us vs them' attitude, there is no US, the muslim leaders and ppl who CREATED islam, care nothing for you or your family, when are u ppl going to see this

lol possession, yes im sure its real easy for your mind to think about things in terms of good vs evil, gods vs demons, etc etc

this is a very limited perception of your world, but either you 'grow up' mentally or nature will do it for u

the real history of earth is bautiful and magical, the arabian history is rich with knowledge and magic, but its not what you arabians are today, the stuff you think is myth and legend, this is our true past and pedigree, but this is prob 'kook' talk for you right

Thank "GOD" that there is someone more then me in here that agrees with my point of view. :cool:

serpentoffire

04-11-2007, 11:13 PM

Thank "GOD" that there is someone more then me in here that agrees with my point of view. :cool:
Uhm...occupation spiritual advisor, lightworker
Which is your point of view?

razed1

04-11-2007, 11:55 PM

razed i am intrigued with this instantaneous contact with the higherself, creator/source, how is it acheived as i would like to know bro.

i for one to believe that yashuah not jesus existed, just like buddha, krishna existed. these three all were normal people but with an awakend intellect and spiritual connection to the source. once they had this, they then told others how to get.

man just take some mushrooms and youll understand, and if have already done a psychedlic, then you wouldnt ask me a question like that, but i suggest you first find out about entheogens, (theres many different kinds) and go ahead! enjoy what nature has to offer you!

you cant explain this stuff, its not like you in some trance or something and are talking to some 'being' which is some creator force or something

its like a state of thoughtlessness, youre not 'talking' or communicating with anybody or anything, i just used that verbage to try to explain to 'serpentoffire'

like i said, if you get out this, 'beleiving in some divine man' type of perception, youll understand, but as long your attributing DIVINITY (i mean seriously, that word is not to be taken lightly) to ANY man or woman, youre lacking true wisdom,

razed1

05-11-2007, 12:10 AM

As I said I know NLP. You are writing subliminal words in your latest posts :
MURDERED SLAUGHTERED
DEATH LAUGH ISLAM
SUBMIT HIS C HALAL (anagram of ISCHALLAH)
SACRIFICE US CREATED ....(next post??)

I think a little bit offensive for Islam (are you Jew?)

First of all, Allah, Yhvh, Jeohwa are different names for the same God (anyway I'm Catholic). Satan is the creator of great deception we are living through time loop, mind control, energy vampirism, virtual economy, ...

Nobody will judge us, we are judges of ourself. If your soul is able to fly away from this plane of reality you are safe. If your soul is dark, not having enough energy because you have fornicated with Satan giving to him your spiritual energy, you'll remain trapped in the Matrix (and I see a lot of persons around me with dark aura) becoming food for Lucifer, the spider Jabulon, the Great Architect of Universe.

I know very well kosher sacrifices because my father worked for Jews and when I was child the rabbi requested to my father the permission to perform circumcision on me.

Why do jews are so bloody? Why do they like to pour blood for their God? I think that rabbis take too literally the Bible. The blood is the vital energy of body. I think that the Bibble talks instead of spiritual energy of our soul.

Why not? Kundalini is our gate to have contact with our creator. Our personal antenna to stay in contact with our brothers.

God sends a lot of saints on this earth to help us. Yashuah, Maometto, Buddha are all expressions of God.

Islam is a religion, leaders are only puppets under direct control of spirits.

Where do you live? On the moon. This is a real (physical) perception. All religions in this earth know the existence of spirits. What Icke said about repts is fully related to spirits activity.

i dont wanna go tit for tat with you

but youre taking a biased view on jews and seem to be aggrandizing islam, like its any better, i dont mean that as a diss to any muslim ppl, but the same prison that catholicism, chistianity, judaism creates, is the SAME prison that islam creates

youre calling jews evil and bloody for kosher, but you dont say anything about halal meat which is essentially the same thing,

and muslims do circumcision too, its not a just a jewish thing

like j.maxwell says you wanna talk about god and enlightenment , but yet you wanna play favourites

youre totally brainwashed dude, you gotta crack that shell and come out

first step to true enlightenment is being HUMBLE, just do UNbiased research, and the truth will start to appear

oh and about spirits and possession and whatnot, again you speak on things you dont know or done any good research on

i dotn deny these things, but no one or thing can take possession of you consciousness without YOU yourself allowing them, there is a 'void' or barrier between the physical/temporal world we live in and the realm of spirits, its not just as simple as taking over, like how youre makin it out to be

razed1

05-11-2007, 12:13 AM

Thank "GOD" that there is someone more then me in here that agrees with my point of view. :cool:

there thanks mariag, this is universal truth, and ppl have many layers of brainwashing to peel back before they 'get it'

razed1

05-11-2007, 02:09 AM

serpentoffire

05-11-2007, 08:55 AM

but youre taking a biased view on jews and seem to be aggrandizing islam, like its any better, i dont mean that as a diss to any muslim ppl, but the same prison that catholicism, chistianity, judaism creates, is the SAME prison that islam creates

There is no prison in God spell. If you see this, it's because somebody is working to make you believe. I found a lot of explanations about our ancient story. Jews, muslims, buddisth are my friends. Ideologies like communism, socialism, liberalism, capitalism (and all finished for -ism) are the real prison. I don't spend my time to read Bible or New Testament. I'm not orthodox and I prefer to make my experiences drinking directly from God knowledge. 'Gifted' persons (and there are a lot in this forum) are able to direct their research of truth under suggestion of our angels sometime without to have conscience of this (it is a form of channeling). I don't need to read a ton of books, I'm simply following my spirit guide. What I saw until now is that it is all true.

youre calling jews evil and bloody for kosher, but you dont say anything about halal meat which is essentially the same thing,

I missed to say that my father worked also for Arabs, so I know both cultures. The blood sacrifices are used from dawn of man and cited in Bible in the Genesis. Satanists performs same rituals of blood.

and muslims do circumcision too, its not a just a jewish thing

This is new for me. But this is only a form of prevention to avoid germs proliferation under high temperatures. The same good sense to avoid alcohol and pork meat.

youre totally brainwashed dude, you gotta crack that shell and come out

brainwashed from who? I switched off my TV, I rejected my ideologies, I'm not going to church and I spend my time talking with you.

first step to true enlightenment is being HUMBLE, just do UNbiased research, and the truth will start to appear
So to search the truth I have to reject God and all I physically see and feel. Nice proposal, is it all fruit of your genius?

oh and about spirits and possession and whatnot, again you speak on things you dont know or done any good research on

I know 3 exorcists, I saw with my eyes exorcisms, I see ghosts and ORBs. My house is haunted and I live near a vortex. Is it sufficient for you?

serpentoffire

05-11-2007, 09:17 AM

there thanks mariag, this is universal truth, and ppl have many layers of brainwashing to peel back before they 'get it'
Why not open a subsidiary of Scientology here. We have already two members.
Two Lightbringers in disguise.

serpentoffire

05-11-2007, 09:41 AM

didnt d icke even say the reptilian beings are brought into possess some mason or something, there is a vibrational field that must be created first, in order to allow this passage between realms

so you who are reading this are responsible for your side of the coin

Repts, vampires and spirits are the same things. We are talking about the Nephilms (Annunaki) souls that, actually disembodied, are trying to maintain their power on humanity taking possess of bodies of our leaders.

The vibrational field is chakras/kundalini energy inside the body of few, this is why bloodlines are so important for repts possession.

synergy777

05-11-2007, 02:37 PM

so razed your advice for that instanteneous link with the source/creator is to take mushrooms, cheers, what wisdom.

we all have spirits, so we are all connected to the source/creator all the time, its how to strengthen the connection via mental methods of meditation, visualisation, prayer.

strengthen the connection through the act of love/marriage and having a happy family kids, grandkids, pets. to show love, compassion to all lifeforms, plants, animals, people. this life is test, and a wonderful blessing. we are here to grow, and help others grow, its school for spirits.

as for the whole view of yashuah, its you who needs to get rid of the "son of god" view of him. he never said he was the chosen one, he said we are all chosen (eg all are divine, why, we have spirits). hence spirit is from the source/creator, hence we are all children of the creator. its simple.

the only son of god view, is if you research, mystery school, from mithras, horus, sol invictus etc. its the same blueblood/bloodline, the divine right of kings. its an elite meme to seperate humanity from the creator, to make the creator a seperate creation from you (spiritual divide and rule). to make it external, and the connection is only made possible via the clergy. when yashuah said you need no intermediary. just talk to the source/creator/father yourself, thats it.

you need no eucharist(canibalistic death ritual) or to ask the corrupt clergy, there is no royalty who is chosen by god to rule, what a load of hogwash. test them by their fruits/actions, they are evil. look at knig herod, look at pontius pilate, look at the pharisees and scribes, look the temple priesthood, look at the traders in the temple, all these conspired to kill yashuah, and now they talk about being good, his followers, load of rubbish. to take the elite view of him, is what they want, why, because then you have to accept their authority.

when yashuah was against their authority. yashuah was the orginal rebel, teacher, anti establishment hero. a man wwho recognised his divinity/spirit and recognised that this divinity was in everyone. so hence everyone is equal, everyone a child of the creator/father.

the paradox is that the truth is more simple than the lie.

its just accepting the truith, means prejudices, evil, oppression, inequality etc, is all unjustifiable. and without these former acts, well the coffers of the elite would be rather empty, lol

razed1

05-11-2007, 05:59 PM

its pretty obvious BOTH you guys, synergy and serpentoffire have their minds made up already, and are just now finding ways to defend their own religious dogma

this isn't a truth searching crowd

so ill just say,

good luck on your journey,

mariag

05-11-2007, 07:01 PM

Everyone is entitled to theire own beliefes and should not be blamed for it.
I personaly don´t believe in the Jesus that the Bible and the Holy quRAN talks about neither do I consider christianity be more then a bunch of lies told by people that wants to manilpulate others into not using theire mind of theire own.
If there was a real Jesus or whoever his or her name was , it was not the person told about in the bible , As i have to agree with Icke that this is sunworship and that the stories about jesus and 12 apostels is nothing more then the zodiac signs. Its just my point of view and I don´t mean to harm anyone or offend . I cant help but to be a logical person that search for truth.
Peace and love to all....

80nowhere08

06-11-2007, 12:44 AM

IMO, Zeitgeist was spot-on with who/what Jesus is...

I also have some other information which claims that the individual referred to as Jesus is simply an "implant" and damn is it working at getting people to not observe the truth around them...

razed1

06-11-2007, 03:58 AM

octopusrex

06-11-2007, 05:01 AM

lol

serpentoffire

06-11-2007, 08:27 AM

its pretty obvious BOTH you guys, synergy and serpentoffire have their minds made up already, and are just now finding ways to defend their own religious dogma

There is no dogmas in me. God is a real experience, not a thing to find only in holy books. If you want to have this experience you have only to call him.

I didn't read nothing about mind control or mind prison in what Yashah, Maometto or Buddha said. Mind control is performed by priests that use God spell to deceive and control us. You are confusing God with his followers.

serpentoffire

06-11-2007, 08:36 AM

I personaly don´t believe in the Jesus that the Bible and the Holy quRAN talks about neither do I consider christianity be more then a bunch of lies told by people that wants to manilpulate others into not using theire mind of theire own.

So you are atheist (and spiritual advisor :D)

If there was a real Jesus or whoever his or her name was , it was not the person told about in the bible

Really, who is for you the real Jesus?

As i have to agree with Icke that this is sunworship and that the stories about jesus and 12 apostels is nothing more then the zodiac signs.
Is God sometime represented as a SUN? Yes, why not, he is the sun of this multiverse. Jesus is not God (and he never said this), Holy Trinity is our God.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/paradisodante.jpg

octopusrex

06-11-2007, 02:04 PM

That about boils it down for me, Serpent:

Take a mushroom (or a dozen cubens) and look at the sun.

Everything becomes quite clear just then.

serpentoffire

06-11-2007, 02:20 PM

That about boils it down for me, Serpent:

Take a mushroom (or a dozen cubens) and look at the sun.

Everything becomes quite clear just then.

Sorry, I'm too old for this.

razed1

06-11-2007, 07:14 PM

Sorry, I'm too old for this.

well there ya go,

the change (for the better) will come through the children of humanity

it even says something like this in the bible

serpentoffire

06-11-2007, 07:37 PM

well there ya go,
the change (for the better) will come through the children of humanity
it even says something like this in the bible

Correct, in fact my spirit is child but my body is 39 yo and it doesn't tolerate drugs and fat foods.

octopusrex

07-11-2007, 04:51 AM

wtf.. where do you get that psylocibin is a drug, mon?

razed1

07-11-2007, 06:02 AM

aspirin that was manufactured by chemicals and technology, is a DRUG,

crack, which is cooked cocaine, which is itself created after cocoa leaves are soaked in barrels full of PETROL. those are drugs

but a plant, that grew here on mother earth, thousands of millenia before there were any humans on earth....

i would think twice before putting them in the same group as DRUGS

:cool:

euthymius

13-11-2007, 11:50 PM

His wisdom will be great. He will make atonement for all the children of His generation...His Word shall be as the Word of Heaven and His teaching shall be according to the will of God. His eternal sun shall burn brilliantly and its fire will give warmth to all the ends of the earth."
- The Words of Levi 4Q541 Frag. 9 1.2-4

Quoting apochraphal literature is not impressive.

325 C.E. marks a pivotal event in the history of Christianity. The Roman emperor Constantine I summoned more than 250 bishops to Nicea in Turkey to resolve a rancorous dispute which was threatening to disrupt the newly won peace of his empire.

There were 318 bishops summoned, many of whom attended the Council with missing body parts, due to the persecutions and their willingness to die for the truth.

While all the bishops agreed that Jesus was the Son of God, they disagreed on whether he had existed with God before the beginning of time (as the Alexandrians believed); or had been created later and was subordinate to God (a position popularized by Arius of Antioch).

They believed Jesus was God, as the New Testament teaches. The heretic Arias denied the deity of Christ.

Constantine, still an unbaptized pagan at the time, decided in favor of the pre-existence of Jesus. In addition he demanded that the bishops add to the creed (drawn up by Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea) that Christ was "of one substance" (homoousion in Greek) with the Father. It was theologically necessary that God himself had become mortal in order to make the hope that mortals may obtain eternal life more believable. Under pressure of banishment, the council agreed with only two dissenting votes. The true nature of the Son of God was now an ineffable mystery beyond human understanding.

That Jesus is God, is supported by the New Testament record, the regula fidei (rule of faith) as articulated by Saint Irenaus, and all the pre-Nicean apostolic fathers. Even the secular Pliny the Younger reported that the Christians were worshipping Christ as God. (Letters, by William Melmoth, rev, by W.M.L. Hutchinson (Cabbridge: Harvard Univ. Press, 1935, 1935), vol. II, X:96).

Through the intervening centuries between then and now, the Nicene creed has remained the basic and unassailable doctrine of Christian faith.

It has been the belief of Orthodox Christian's, that God guides ecumeical councils through the Holy Spirit. Acts 15 reports the first Council in Jerusalem and shows that the Holy Spirit was behind it. Ecumenical Councils are infallible.

The Real Jesus? is a critical examination into the life and times of Jesus. If we dare to look truthfully through the accumulated centuries of obfuscation and mystery, what will we uncover about Jesus the man? What did he really say and do? [/B]And, more importantly, is there anything we can learn from the historical Jesus that will give us a new perspective on our lives today?

Most, if not all the Anti-Christian stuff we see going on today, comes from either atheists, Gnostics, Mason's or Jews on the internet. NO scholars today takes their arguments seriously.

[url]http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/messiah.html

Garbage.

"The word 'Messiah' comes from the Hebrew verb 'to anoint', which itself is derived from the Egyptian word messeh, 'the holy crocodile'.

That might be a post hoc fallacy. What evidence do you have that it CAME from Egypt. Just because A comes before B, it does not prove A caused B. Just because two things co-exist, it does not prove one took from the other. This is called the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (AKA false cause).

I guess Ike denies the historical Jesus. Ike is not a Jesus historian or scholar. No Jesus scholar or historian alive today denies Jesus existed. I have compiled the best links and books I know of on this subject.

HISTORICAL JESUS

http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html

http://www.bede.org.uk/jesusindex.htm

http://www.tektonics.org/

www.garyhabermas.com

BOOKS

The Historical Reliability of the Gospels, by Blomberg

The Historical Jesus, by Habermas

MORE BOOKS

http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/bibliographies/jesusisnomyth.html

CHRIST IS GOD

http://www.deityofchrist.com/

Jesus as God: The New Testament Use of Theos in Reference to Jesus, by Harris

On the Incarnation, by Athanasius

PAGAN PARALLEL THEORY REFUTED

http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html

http://www.jesuspolice.com/detail_review_section.php?id=59

http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/mystery_religions_early_christianity.htm

Myth Became Fact, by Lewis

The Gospel and the Greeks, by Nash

Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament, by Bruce

The Case for the Real Jesus, edited by Strobel

JESUS IS MESSIAH

The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, by Edersheim

Jesus the Messiah, by Brown

RESURRECTION DEBATE

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Did Jesus of Nazareth Physically Rise From the Dead?( 1 of 6 ) - YouTube

euthymius

14-11-2007, 12:13 AM

If you want to know the truth about Nicea and the ecumenical councils

CHURCH HISTORY

The Christian Tradition (five volumes), by Jaroslav Pelikan

He was the worlds leading expert on Church history and doctrine. He had 42 honorary doctorates, and honors from the U.S. Government, Bill Clinton, and the Library of Congress. He also received the nobel prize equivolent award. They don't give the Nobel Prize in the humanities, so he got their equivolent award. The Kluge award, if my memory is correct.

octopusrex

16-11-2007, 12:29 AM

DO you reall think Jesus was the ONLY Shaman around?

cew91

16-11-2007, 02:05 AM

razed1

16-11-2007, 03:25 AM

find out about the DEAD SEA SCROLLS

euthymius

16-11-2007, 08:30 AM

serpentoffire

16-11-2007, 08:30 AM

You make a very interesting point synergy about yeshua and i believe youve got it right. Just a question tho have you ever heard of or read "the book of enoch". It was never put into the bible but yet its one of the most important books.
- he walked and talked with god
- he never saw death

the Pope is the Antichrist, and throne on which he sits is really the throne of Satan - Martin Luther The third beast, the anti-Christ, is only a metaphor not a real person, like all the rest in the bible. The anti-Christ is the rejection for all holy things. I'm agree that the actual Pope is the expression of illuminati freemasonry and by consequence of Satan Church.

- he walked and talked with god
This is possible because spirits are real sentient beings. They are able to interact with humans through telepaty, touching you and giving phisical signs as electric discharges, bumping or burning objects (the burning bush).

- he never saw death
With God you'll not experience never the spiritual death (our phisical body is only a ship for our soul). Yes, souls can die, consumed by Jabulon spider, the divinity worshiped by freemasonry.

Mo0n5tar

16-11-2007, 02:50 PM

You believe freemasonry runs the church of Rome?

Never heard of Jahbulon spider myself where'd you get that from?

serpentoffire

16-11-2007, 03:47 PM

You believe freemasonry runs the church of Rome?

Inside the church of Rome there is a freemasonic lodge called Ecclesia, an arm of Ordo Templi Orientis. The recent facts in Italy show that the Vatican is strictly connected with freemasonry and mafia.

(a Christian deluded :()

Never heard of Jahbulon spider myself where'd you get that from?

This is one of stupid metaphors to describe Lucifer, like Baphomet, Moloch (bull), Molech (owl) and so on..

This term is cited in Jury Lina book "Architects of deception".

eternal_spirit

16-11-2007, 03:54 PM

i for one to believe that yashuah not jesus existed, just like buddha, krishna existed. these three all were normal people but with an awakend intellect and spiritual connection to the source. once they had this, they then told others how to get.

..............

Slightly different name same old game I'd say. It's all BS.

Yeshua yahwee Is Jehova. All regional accents, languages, slightly different spelling and pronunciation maybe.

eternal_spirit

16-11-2007, 04:00 PM

http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/member/d/e/3/f/member_1616895.jpeg

Jahbulon. Serpent knows his stuff.
Meetup Groups

The San Antonio Self-Improvement Meetup Group (http://self-improvement.meetup.com/93/?gj=sj3) JAHBULON's Self-Improvement profile (http://self-improvement.meetup.com/93/members/3930040/?gj=sj3)
San Antonio Anti-Freemason Meetup Group (http://freemasons.meetup.com/184/?gj=sj3) JAHBULON assistant organizes this http://img4.meetupstatic.com/img/star_white_500.gif Meetup Group
JAHBULON's Freemasons profile (http://freemasons.meetup.com/184/members/3930040/?gj=sj3)

eternal_spirit

16-11-2007, 05:24 PM

Yahweh ben Yahweh cult was lead by a self-proclaimed black messiah named Hulon Mitchell Jr. who based his religion on a hatred of whites and urged his followers to murder "white devils" and bring him back body parts - a sliced-off ear or finger or head - as proof of the kill.

He told his flock that blacks were the
"true Jews," one of the 12 tribes of Israel who were driven from their homeland in Old Testament times, and that God was black, as were the apostles. He said he was the black messiah, Yahweh ben Yahweh, Hebrew for "God son of God," and that he would lead them back to the promised land of Jerusalem to establish their kingdom.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/notorious_murders/classics/yahweh_cult/1-2-Yahweh-ben-Yahweh.jpgYahweh ben Yahweh, aka Hulon Mitchell Jr.http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/yahweh_cult/index.html

eternal_spirit

16-11-2007, 08:05 PM

Conclusion. There are all these different names, can they really be the same person. With different versions of the story, dates, places.

Who ever he was, good or bad? Those who have followed him as saviour Messiah, teachings, religions. Have been both good and bad in their intent,

synergy777

16-11-2007, 08:36 PM

how many names does satan have, lucifer, pan, jahbulon. its imitation of the source he uses. he even swaps sex, and becomes a mother goddess, in order to decieve, and by judging some of the responses on this thread, his deception is quite successful.

razed1

16-11-2007, 11:55 PM

could it be that you are attributing those names to a personality that isnt what you think it might be

razed1

18-11-2007, 08:00 PM

if ppl here think jesus was divine, then was mohammed also divine???

serpentoffire

18-11-2007, 08:13 PM

could it be that you are attributing those names to a personality that isnt what you think it might be

You are free to be atheist like you want. Nobody is working here to bring you in any church. No me and no synergy.

I can only give my personal experience with supernatural world. These beings exist and are between us independently if you believe or not in them.

What we talk about good and evil, for spirit is only a problem to have or to search energy. God gives energy, angels receive energy from God, spirits use humans to suck body energies, demons like to heat our souls. Simple and linear concept.

You can believe or not, it is indifferent. The results are under the eyes of everybody: wars, fear, mind control. We are the sacrificial sheeps of spirits, nothing else than fresh meat.

razed1

18-11-2007, 09:31 PM

serpentoffire

18-11-2007, 09:54 PM

but taking this 'we ar powerless against angels and demons' pov, is imo, not a healthy one

Your opinion is welcomed but not insults. When somebody don't have an explanation for something it is not allowed to advocate himself talking about mental diseases of others contributors of this forum.

i think the idea of having a messiah or a one special person that 'god' sent
this is part of the illuminati brainwashing/mental prison
There is not prison to believe that somebody in this earth had the courage to defy Roman and Jews government saying that everybody can be like him in the God light. There is not prison to believe that God exists and we can be part of his plan.

The real anti-Christ is the rejection of all holy things, rejection for spirituality, not a real person.
This is the prison where the humanity is actually trapped. These are the last times we are living right now.

pigpot

18-11-2007, 09:59 PM

being atheist is beleiving that there is no spiritual aspect to the universe, this does not apple to me

but taking this 'we ar powerless against angels and demons' pov, is imo, not a healthy one

linear thinking is very limited, and trying to understand spiritual concepts from a linear perpective is not an ideal situation

i think the idea of having a messiah or a one special person that 'god' sent

this is part of the illuminati brainwashing/mental prison

Good post razed1,

Just all illuminati shit to create fear amongst people, make them choose sides and create more problems. Man made God in his own image, not the other way around.

No Jesus, no proof just crap.

Quote by serpentofire "The real anti-Christ is the rejection of all holy things, rejection for spirituality, not a real person."

Who defines what is holy, polices the police. Stop this belief crap.....

pigpot......... agent gazillion

serpentoffire

18-11-2007, 10:02 PM

Good post razed1,

Just all illuminati shit to create fear amongst people, make them choose sides and create more problems. Man made God in his own image, not the other way around.

No Jesus, no proof just crap.

Quote by serpentofire "The real anti-Christ is the rejection of all holy things, rejection for spirituality, not a real person."

Who defines what is holy, polices the police. Stop this belief crap.....

pigpot......... agent gazillion

More Zionists insults. Share with us your profile, surely I'll find something to insult you.

pigpot

18-11-2007, 10:32 PM

More Zionists insults. Share with us your profile, surely I'll find something to insult you.

No agenda here serpentofire...

Just no Jesus either...

No profile at all, you couldn't insult me as I have no ego to bruise.

I'm not an atheist, scientist, creationist, existentialist, conservative nor socialist... No racism, sexism, nothing... That's your problem, you've got that load of old tosh as your signature about the system. By believing in your, beliefs they're actually part of the system. So all your doing is propping it up..

Keep going anyway I'll always be the Devils advocate because people like you always rise to the bait to keep what you hold so dear but which actually maintaining the status quo. Which is what I thought we were going to break..

Zionist, yeah okay then...........

Another fool.. for every Christian a Muslim who will stand upi and denounce him, For every facist a communist and so on grow.... And no, you are definitely not going to heaven Serpentofire because there isn't one and there isn't a hell either... There just is... So put your cross down, grow a beard and lighten up...

I thought you would have read some of the Icke man's books...

JESUS... indeed.......

pigpot

pigpot

18-11-2007, 10:40 PM

Insults where are they...

Not keeping to your promise eh!!!

What are you trying to do serpentoffire, trawling back through my web posts making sure I haven't slipped up...

You'll find nothing on me my shallow friend..........

Look, its Jesus racing Mohammed across the sky, both on flying pigs.........

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

pigpot

pigpot

19-11-2007, 12:47 AM

SOF must be having his beauty sleep...

Night then!!!!!!!

razed1

19-11-2007, 01:05 AM

hey thanks pigpot i enjoy all you posts

just remember tho, the best transformer was this guy ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Starscream.jpg

razed1

19-11-2007, 01:08 AM

Your opinion is welcomed but not insults. When somebody don't have an explanation for something it is not allowed to advocate himself talking about mental diseases of others contributors of this forum.

There is not prison to believe that somebody in this earth had the courage to defy Roman and Jews government saying that everybody can be like him in the God light. There is not prison to believe that God exists and we can be part of his plan.

The real anti-Christ is the rejection of all holy things, rejection for spirituality, not a real person.
This is the prison where the humanity is actually trapped. These are the last times we are living right now.

i don't really get what your talkin about

and can you point where I've 'insulted' anybody, cause i don't believe i have, i was pointing out the fallacy in believing that god would send someone 'special' to enlighten the masses

you are personalizing and anthropomorphizing an entity (god) which cannot be put into 'human' terms

pigpot

19-11-2007, 01:31 AM

hey thanks pigpot i enjoy all you posts

just remember tho, the best transformer was this guy ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Starscream.jpg

I agree he was good and though I maybe no match for him in an outright battle I am sure he wouold not beat our leader Optimus pigpot, Leader of The Pigpotabots.........

Strange how the serpent slithered away, he'll be back though with a bit more Jesus in his heart.......

Praise the Lord, the Lord Optimus pigpot that is.........

razed1

19-11-2007, 03:14 AM

lol

one shall stand, the other shall get porked!!

pigpot

19-11-2007, 03:37 AM

Prefer not to be porked!!!!!!!!!!

razed1

19-11-2007, 03:54 AM

i kno id rather do the porking!

pigpot

19-11-2007, 06:09 AM

Sleeping, I thought I was going to be the victim of a torrent of abuse........

pigpot

serpentoffire

19-11-2007, 08:27 AM

No agenda here serpentofire...

Just no Jesus either...

No profile at all, you couldn't insult me as I have no ego to bruise.

I'm not an atheist, scientist, creationist, existentialist, conservative nor socialist... No racism, sexism, nothing... That's your problem, you've got that load of old tosh as your signature about the system. By believing in your, beliefs they're actually part of the system. So all your doing is propping it up..

Keep going anyway I'll always be the Devils advocate because people like you always rise to the bait to keep what you hold so dear but which actually maintaining the status quo. Which is what I thought we were going to break..

Zionist, yeah okay then...........

Another fool.. for every Christian a Muslim who will stand upi and denounce him, For every facist a communist and so on grow.... And no, you are definitely not going to heaven Serpentofire because there isn't one and there isn't a hell either... There just is... So put your cross down, grow a beard and lighten up...

I thought you would have read some of the Icke man's books...

JESUS... indeed.......

pigpot

Big pork, short dick (too much circumcised I think).

I have all books of David Icke, and what he said is only about the manipulation of the Jesus and Virgin figures to mind control people, reassembling ancient deities of ISIS and OSIRIS and before TAMMUZ and SEMIRAMID. I'm agree with him about the power of Vatican on people and that catholic religion is full of pagan symbols and unexplainable rituals.

kuro

19-11-2007, 08:57 AM

Has anyone read about liberation theology? I was really inspired to see Christians breaking away from the traditional church and taking a more progressive approach to Christianity. I was first told about this by a marxist and told they also claim Jesus was a marxist (breaking down markets in the temple/feeding the poor etc)

pigpot

19-11-2007, 09:31 AM

Big pork, short dick (too much circumcised I think).

I have all books of David Icke, and what he said is only about the manipulation of the Jesus and Virgin figures to mind control people, reassembling ancient deities of ISIS and OSIRIS and before TAMMUZ and SEMIRAMID. I'm agree with him about the power of Vatican on people and that catholic religion is full of pagan symbols and unexplainable rituals.

Here we go again, more rubbish from the silly little Christian can't do without Jesus..

As he said, he was going to insult me, but because he has nothing he reverts to calling me a lover of Zion, which if you've ever read my posts, I care nothing for either.........

Here you are guys..... The pathetic Jesus loving serpentoffire, what a twat....

I'm still waiting, you little stain on humanity. For fucks sake you are like talking with a child of 4. You said you'd insult me but you can't because I am nothing, but the thing is I know that... You don't..........

You on the other hand think you are going to heaven because you believe in a mythical figure...

No heaven, no hell, no interpretation (not even your's serpent, NO FUCKING JESUS..... Maybe I've offended you, if so good but you can't get to me.... Oh!!! and Fuck Mary his mom as well.......

pigpot........ I'm bigger than Jesus.....

serpentoffire

19-11-2007, 11:50 AM

pigpot........ I'm bigger than Jesus.....

No pigpot, you have only a big EGO (and a little dick).

bigus_dickus

19-11-2007, 05:49 PM

No heaven, no hell, no interpretation (not even your's serpent, NO FUCKING JESUS.....

pigpot........ I'm bigger than Jesus.....

conclusion: no pigpot.

pigpot

19-11-2007, 06:57 PM

conclusion: no pigpot.

There is no pigpot or yourself or anyone for that matter all we do is create a new vibration but that must come from the original thus in a sense nothing is new and therefore in a way not created at all.

pigpot..

Oh by the way SOF, is that crap all you've got, laughing my arse of at you.......

serpentoffire

19-11-2007, 08:08 PM

There is no pigpot or yourself or anyone for that matter all we do is create a new vibration but that must come from the original thus in a sense nothing is new and therefore in a way not created at all.

pigpot..

Oh by the way SOF, is that crap all you've got, laughing my arse of at you.......

ROFLMAO too

bigus_dickus

19-11-2007, 08:13 PM

There is no pigpot or yourself or anyone for that matter

what is there then?

all we do is create a new vibration but that must come from the original

who's we, those who are not?

thus in a sense nothing is new and therefore in a way not created at all.

ahh... bummer. what do we do now mate?

razed1

19-11-2007, 09:06 PM

Your opinion is welcomed but not insults. When somebody don't have an explanation for something it is not allowed to advocate himself talking about mental diseases of others contributors of this forum.

There is not prison to believe that somebody in this earth had the courage to defy Roman and Jews government saying that everybody can be like him in the God light. There is not prison to believe that God exists and we can be part of his plan.

The real anti-Christ is the rejection of all holy things, rejection for spirituality, not a real person.
This is the prison where the humanity is actually trapped. These are the last times we are living right now

i don't really get what your talkin about

and can you point where I've 'insulted' anybody, cause i don't believe i have, i was pointing out the fallacy in believing that god would send someone 'special' to enlighten the masses

you are personalizing and anthropomorphizing an entity (god) which cannot be put into 'human' terms

hey serpentoffire you wanna answer my question??

what did i say that was so insulting to you?

it seems like you're the one doing all the insulting when you beliefs are challenged with some logic

serpentoffire

19-11-2007, 09:27 PM

The only reason to respond you it is only that I'm bored to feel your anger in my mind while you write something to post here and in the same time the reaction of who read your attacks (well, I want know what he reply now he..he..he), it's a pain for me more than you can think.

I know your soul very well. I know what it is behind your words.

You said "you are personalizing and anthropomorphizing an entity (god) which cannot be put into 'human' terms". This is your personal opinion, respectable , but only an opinion. You could change your opinion only if you could share my same experience with paranormal: flying entities, ectoplasm, poltergeists, bumps in your room, objects moved and something that it is able to interact with your technology and talk telepathically directly in your mind (I hope to don't forget nothing).

I said that these things exist only because I have a direct experience, not because I read something in any books. You can thrust me or not, this have not importance for me.

pigpot

19-11-2007, 09:46 PM

serpentoffire

19-11-2007, 09:52 PM

This is the problem razed1.... You cannot deal with infantile people like SOF...

As long as he believes he will still continue to cause disinformation.. All the shit about Zion... He may have a serious mental instability, maybe a tradegy has occured in his life where he needed a crutch, shame really how people get caught in faith...

Faith: Dictionary definition, confidence, trust, reliance, belief and devotion...

Not one word of proof, how sad then that these people had the need to rely on bullshit to prop up there inadequate lives.

Namely, serpentoffire.

pipgot

As I said there is somebody thinking "well, I want know what he reply now he..he..he".

You are already fucked, I don't loose my time with you. I'll simply ignore your stupid attacks.

Bye short dick zionist pork.

pigpot

19-11-2007, 10:05 PM

Was this the best of the insults SOF was going to throw at me....

He asked for my profile... But as I explained, there is no profile for me... Just as there is no Jesus... pigpot is nothing as is Jesus...

pigpot is just as virtual as the cartoon figure of Jesus and Mohammed and everybody else such as Buddha and Nanak........

Can we now have an intellectual discussion without heresay, conjecture and bullshit please.

pigpot........ conqueror of serpentoffire........ and boy how sof was conquered......

pigpot, pigpot, pigpot

serpentoffire

19-11-2007, 10:13 PM

razed1

19-11-2007, 10:32 PM

serpentoffire

19-11-2007, 10:56 PM

your mind is deluded with all these categories and slassifications of religions, you dont do any real research into the origin of these religions

all youre doing is just defending a slave mind religion that was drummed up for you a loong time ago,

There is not slavery to believe in God. God is freedom. There is not reason to study tons of book. This is not faith. I prefer direct contact with God (everybody can do this) and I don't spend time to read boring books or listen priests or follow any churches. I'm not defending religions. You don't need a religion to have contact with God, not intermediaries, not weird rituals.

pigpot

19-11-2007, 11:00 PM

(pig-little dick-zionist-pot ignored)

I repost this video that it is very interesting about freemasonry, satanic church and reversing of holy things and negation of Jesus performed by new agers.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-2134284036772812990

This is what is really new age:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/illuminaob0.gif

Agreed razed1, SOF clings to his belief that his "saviour" will take him to heaven..........

Very much like me and my paper clip saviour, I've been praying to this paper clip for some time now and I KNOW that this paper clip is the way to heaven.

All hail the paper clip messiah............Oh please.......

pigpot... Conqueror of serpentoffire.........................

pigpot

19-11-2007, 11:10 PM

There is not slavery to believe in God. God is freedom. There is not reason to study tons of book. This is not faith. I prefer direct contact with God (everybody can do this) and I don't spend time to read boring books or listen priests or follow any churches. I'm not defending religions. You don't need a religion to have contact with God, not intermediaries, not weird rituals.

Stop talking shit now serpentoffire,

I can "claim" that my pet dog has contact with God, but no proof, same as you.

Stop talking crap, you and everyone else who claims to have contact with a higher divinity talks shit....

You might as well start your own religion or go and suck on Sai Baba's cock...

Prove to me your contact with God SOF, absolute tangible proof, not shit, crap, heresay and conjecture....... I shouldn't ask, as I know the answer, you can't, but still I like the sport of smashing your childish faith.......

pigpot, taking on all comers of all faiths..........

i_am

19-11-2007, 11:17 PM

Argue all you like guys, but please enough with the personal insults, or is this a ploy to have yet another thread ranted?

razed1

19-11-2007, 11:20 PM

lol

pigpot

19-11-2007, 11:23 PM

what is there then?

who's we, those who are not?

ahh... bummer. what do we do now mate?

nothing and everything, simultaneously and with and without time...

We are the same, just different levels of vibration of the same one, moving in and out between a limitless space. There is no coincidence and you are not in charge of your own life, it is planned for you. But not by any God you have been made aware of before.........

They are false and man made as they have been revealed to men and through the human medium we were given "God", not to free us but to create every manner of instability.

I have no idea of the true creator and I make no claim to be in touch with "it" either.. Those that do, do so for their own reasons.

Matrix philosophy fit's well......... I do have other theories but quite unsure about them..

Cheers bigus dickus.......

pigpot

pigpot

19-11-2007, 11:25 PM

Argue all you like guys, but please enough with the personal insults, or is this a ploy to have yet another thread ranted?

Just a very childish, (matter of opinion and not an insult), SOF who can't stop peddling his crap......

pigpot

pigpot

19-11-2007, 11:36 PM

If you are not against the system, you are the system.

If you've read his posts you'll realise how hypocritical the statement is.

He supports the part of the system that makes him feel better about his problems.

What he doesn't realise is that as he supports this Christian shit, his opposames the muslims and all other faiths come looking for people who are not of their faith and seek to convert..

What cannot understand is that this "faith" is self anihilating and will bring about the destruction of everything.

If they ain't got nothing to fight against they can't start a war......

That's how we win, by stop believing, have no faith, open the beautiful pyramids take out a few secrets that we haven't been told and open all the official secrets and we may start to get a little closer to the truth.....

Until then folks carry on being trapped.........

pigpot....... STILL CONQUEROR OF SERPENTOFFIRE

serpentoffire

19-11-2007, 11:55 PM

Angels army are already over our head:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4082509354649967322

(only regarding white ORBs)

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/Fallen20Seraphin-avatar.jpg

serpentoffire

20-11-2007, 12:15 AM

Unexplained Blue Cloud Floats, Darts Around Customers At Gas Station

http://www.local6.com/spotlight/14578641/detail.html

serpentoffire

20-11-2007, 12:17 AM

Hunted by a Poltergeist - YouTube

razed1

20-11-2007, 12:32 AM

notice anytime theres ppl who talk about devils and demons theyre always old ppl

the older you get the more cut off you are from the source

when ppl such as these have spiritual experiences, they dont know whats happening and they try to explain it with the religious 5 sense prison terms and axioms

you have to understand, when you have all these spiriutal things, its your mind that is aspects of yourself who is doing this

serpentoffire

20-11-2007, 12:46 AM

you have to understand, when you have all these spiriutal things, its your mind that is aspects of yourself who is doing this

See the video of poltergeist, this is similar to what happen in my home.
Do you find something of self inducted and imaginary in this video?

I have a little knowledge of psychology (mainly for NLP) and I know when something is generated by the mind (through dissociation) and when it has a phisical evidence. If something moves alone it's hard to explain it with psychology. When you know that something will happen, and it's happen, this is a physical proof.
This is only my own experience of live.

pigpot

20-11-2007, 01:49 AM

See the video of poltergeist, this is similar to what happen in my home.
Do you find something of self inducted and imaginary in this video?

I have a little knowledge of psychology (mainly for NLP) and I know when something is generated by the mind (through dissociation) and when it has a phisical evidence. If something moves alone it's hard to explain it with psychology. When you know that something will happen, and it's happen, this is a physical proof.
This is only my own experience of live.

I didn't want, "similar to what happened in your home", serpentoffire. Where is your video. Don't show me somebody elses. Where's your video........

More crap..... woooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! Where is your evidence......

Same again, I already know the answer....... YOU DON'T HAVE A VIDEO!! SO I DON'T BELIEVE YOU......WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I do consider the possibility of a different range of vibrations manifesting themselves within the area of space in which I exist though... Doesn't mean for a moment that I'm going to follow a cartoon leaders of religions like Christianity, Islam, Buddhism of anything else for that matter.........

pigpot........WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

euthymius

20-11-2007, 04:58 AM

What some people might call "shit" (Christianity), has produced contless millions of saints throughout history. The problem is that our modern academic systems don't really teach any concept of history. They act like no one has lived before US. Christianity is only nonsense to those who have never experieced its life transfoming power and effectiveness. Christianity WORKS if one is willing to invest their life into it. I am Orthodox (Greek Orthodox). We have countless saints of ancient and modern times. Tell the ancient saints that it is shit. Tell that to

Saints Onuphrius the Great, Euthymius the Great, Anthony the Great, Sava the Sanctified, Ignatius of Antioch, Isaac the Syrian, Ephraim the Syrian, Mary of Egypy (former prostitute), Symeon the Stylite, Daniel the Stylite, Makarios of Corinth, etc, etc, etc. Tell it to all the anchorites, stylites, hesychasts and martyrs! I know you don't know what these are.

I agree that protestanst/evangelical garbage is shit. They are goving Christianity a black eye in the eyes of the world. These people do NOT represent authentic Christianity! If you want to know authentic Christianity, read the "Philokalia." That's a good place to start. It was compiled by Saint Nikodemus.

Also, no historian or Jesus scholar today denies Jesus existed. Only atheists promote this lie. This is a Jewish/Masonic/Gnostic conspiracy against Christianity.

HISTORICAL JESUS

The Search For The Historical Jesus - YouTube

http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html

http://www.bede.org.uk/jesusindex.htm

http://www.tektonics.org/

www.garyhabermas.com

BOOKS

The Historical Reliability of the Gospels, by Blomberg

The Historical Jesus, by Habermas

MORE BOOKS

http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/bibliographies/jesusisnomyth.html

CHRIST IS RISEN

http://www.risenjesus.com/index.php

http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/resurrection.html

www.garyhabermas.com

BOOKS

The Case For the Resurrection of Jesus, by Habermas and Licona

Assessing the New Testament Evidence for the Historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus, by Craig

The Historical Jesus, by Habermas

CHRIST IS GOD

http://www.deityofchrist.com/

BOOKS

Jesus as God: The New Testament Use of Theos in Reference to Jesus, by Harris

On the Incarnation, by Athanasius

PAGAN PARALLEL THEORY REFUTED

http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html

http://www.jesuspolice.com/detail_review_section.php?id=59

http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/mystery_religions_early_christianity.htm

BOOKS

Myth Became Fact (essay), by Lewis

The Gospel and the Greeks, by Nash

Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament, by Bruce

The Case for the Real Jesus, edited by Strobel

JESUS IS MESSIAH

BOOKS

The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, by Edersheim

Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus (4 volumes), by Brown

RESURRECTION DEBATE

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Did Jesus of Nazareth Physically Rise From the Dead?( 1 of 6 ) - YouTube