Zecharia Sitchin, geniune??

[gorgeousbutterfly]

I have heard that his books are disinformation, if its true what is the evidence? anybody know? i find that weird because david icke sites a lot of his info from this guy and so does the author of east of eden.

[freedomnonfighter]

Arizona Wilder says he's a shapeshifter.

This or That? We'll all find out soon enough.

Too much time being spent on 'who to trust' - trust in yourself :)

[bigus_dickus]

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/hafernik.html
http://skepdic.com/sitchin.html

[gorgeousbutterfly]

Arizona Wilder says he's a shapeshifter.

This or That? We'll all find out soon enough.

Too much time being spent on 'who to trust' - trust in yourself :)


Yes, and what if she was brainwashed to think that ? maybe this way if she told the world nobody would read a creditable book? hmmmmm. i mean why did david icke recommend him then?

[gorgeousbutterfly]

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/hafernik.html
http://skepdic.com/sitchin.html


thanks, intresting

[bigus_dickus]

thanks, intresting

oh, i forgot this one :)

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

[freedomnonfighter]

Yes, and what if she was brainwashed to think that ? maybe this way if she told the world nobody would read a creditable book? hmmmmm. i mean why did david icke recommend him then?

Exactly! It's round and round and round, who knows ;)

Personally, after I saw Sitchin's latest book, I wouldn't "trust" him a second.

Sitchin talks of what? The past and the future.. Trust in Yourself NOW :)

Now is all there is - become Present with it :)

[gorgeousbutterfly]

Exactly! It's round and round and round, who knows ;)

Personally, after I saw Sitchin's latest book, I wouldn't "trust" him a second.

Sitchin talks of what? The past and the future.. Trust in Yourself NOW :)

Now is all there is - become Present with it :)

yeah i get a weird vibe, i think i'll pass. i am just curious then why david icke sites SO much of his info from this guy. i mean i would be upset if david icke is a reptile too. please no!

[gorgeousbutterfly]

Lmao!!!!!!!!!! :D

[brotherapostate]

Try not to get too paranoid and just flush out what feels wrong to you rather than other critics

[gorgeousbutterfly]

i just want to like him . i don't see why his motivations would be. he is basically telling us some truth? right?

[pumma]

i just want to like him . i don't see why his motivations would be. he is basically telling us some truth? right?

Yes, but when comes to key points he does his "best" to lead people in different directions ...

[chris]

You should see some of my translations of ancient texts. It's easy to do, you just need to write down the original and then give a commentary.

[_invisibleplane_]

I have many of his books, I think he brings attention to many key artifacts and sources that provide hints of our past. His interpretations on the other hand come across as very bias. He paints the annunaki in a very glorious picture, yet he does not once mention any type of negativity in relation to the annunaki, such as any mention of them eating us, looking at us as slaves to do their mining, etc..

What I think he does offer that is worthy of considering is the travelling/arrival of nibiru and the effects it had on earth, the 'gods from the sky' coming from another star system, the numerology of the annunaki which is still symbolized today, and the ancient genetic engineering knowledge indicating we have not simply evolved darwinian style.

[synergy777]

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm

great link.

i have always stated that the annunaki/alien space brother-creators hypothesis was way to hide the biblical fallen. which considering the masons follow a fallen angel, lucifer/satan. its a no brainer.

same with reptillians/annuanki/aliens angle. the fallen/evil watcher/angels/demons/djinn came from space, they called it "heaven".

see people will laugh at aliens/reptillians, this what the elite wants. if you tell people of the fallen/angels of the bible, its tricky one for the to laugh at. as if they dismiss this, then what else in the bible do they have to dismiss, moses, abraham, elijah, jesus/yashuah?. now this would mean no christians, no christmas/easter, church weddings, baptism, house of cards anyone.

why do think they omitted the book of enoch, it tells us of the fallen, the angels that rebelled against the source/most high. they were here to watch/guide us humans, they out of arrogance, craving power/control over us, wanting to enjoy earthly pleasures took over us. these mated with earth women, to create the nephilm, the progeny of the fallen and earth women. these became the mighty kings of old, divine right of kings, kings as gods. this could where the blueblood/bloodline angle comes from

[synergy777]

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/watchers.html

The Sons of God

(1) The Sumerian Watchers

"...Man and his early civilizations had a profoundly different mentality from our own, that in fact men and women were not conscious as are we, were not responsible for their actions, and therefore cannot be given the credit or blame for anything that was done over these vast millennia of time; that instead each person had a part of his nervous system that was divine, by which he was ordered about like any slave, a voice or voices which indeed were what we call volition and empowered what they commanded and were related to the hallucinated voices of others in a carefully established hierarchy."

"...The astonishing consistency from Egypt to Peru, from Ur to Yucatan, wherever civilizations arose, of death practices and idolatry, of divine government and hallucinated voices, all are witness to the idea of a different mentality than our own."

"The gods were in no sense 'figments of the imagination' of anyone. They were man's volition. They occupied his nervous system, probably his right hemisphere, and from stores of admonitory and receptive experience, transmuted this experience into articulated speech which then 'told' the man what to do."

"Throughout Mesopotamia, from the earliest times of Sumer and Akkad, all lands were owned by gods and men were their slaves. Of this, the cuneiform texts leave no doubt whatever. Each city-state had its own principal god, and the king was described in the very earliest written documents that we have as 'the tenant farmer of the god'."
- Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

"... The Akkadians called their predecessors Shumerians, and spoke of the Land of Shumer.
"It was, in fact, the biblical Land of Shin'ar. It was the land whose name - Shumer - literally meant the Land of the Watchers. It was indeed the Egyptian Ta Neter - Land of the Watchers, the land from which the gods had come to Egypt."
- Zecharia Sitchin, The Stairway to Heaven

"It was from that planet [Nibiru], the Sumerian texts repeatedly and persistently stated, that the Anunnaki came to Earth. The term literally means 'Those Who from Heaven to Earth Came.' They are spoken of in the Bible as the Anakim, and in Chapter 6 of Genesis are also call Nefilim, which in Hebrew means the same thing: Those Who Have Come Down, from the Heavens to Earth."
- Zecharia Sitchin, Genesis Revisited

"The Anakim may have been Mycenaean Greek colonists, belonging to the 'Sea Peoples' confederation which caused Egypt such trouble in the fourteenth century B.C. Greek mythographers told of a Giant Anax ('king'), son of Heaven and Mother Earth, who ruled Anactoria (Miletus) in Asia Minor. According to Appollodorus, the disinterred skeleton of Asterius ('starry'), Anax's successor, measured ten cubits. Akakes, the plural of Nanx, was an epithet of the Greek gods in general. Talmudic commentators characteristically make the Anakim three thousand cubits tall."
- Robert Graves and Raphael Patai, Hebrew Myths: The Book of Genesis

(2) The Egyptian Ntr

There is archaeological evidence of a strong cultural connection between Sumer and ancient Egypt.

"Ptah and the other gods were called, in Egyptian, Ntr - 'Guardian, Watcher'."
- Zecharia Sitchin, The Wars of Gods and Men

During the fabled "First Time, Zep Tepi, when the gods ruled in their country: they said it was a golden age during which the waters of the abyss receded, the primordial darkness was banished, and humanity, emerging into the light, was offered the gifts of civilization. They spoke also of intermediaries between gods and men - the Urshu, a category of lesser divinities whose title meant 'the Watchers'. And they preserved particularly vivid recollections of the gods themselves, puissant and beautiful beings called the Neteru who lived on earth with humankind and exercised their sovereignty from Heliopolis and other sanctuaries up and down the Nile. Some of these Neteru were male and some female but all possessed a range of supernatural powers which included the ability to appear, at will, as men or women, or as animals, birds, reptiles, trees or plants. Paradoxically, their words and deeds seem to have reflected human passions and preoccupations. Likewise, although they were portrayed as stronger and more intelligent than humans, it was believed that they could grow sick - or even die, or be killed - under certain circumstance."
- Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods

3) Bene Elohim

Note that plural gods elohim' appears in the earliest Hebrew texts, even though it is translated as God (El) in modern texts.

"...The sons of gods (bene ha-elohim') saw the daughters of men that they were fair..."
- Genesis 6:2a

"The sons of God (or children of God; 'bene elohim' and variants) are divine members of God's heavenly host...The title 'sons/children of God' is familiar from Ugaritic mythology, in which the gods collectively are the 'children of El'...The sons/children of God are also found in Phoenician and Ammonite inscriptions, referring to the pantheon of sub-ordinate deities, indicating that the term was widespread in the West Semitic religions."
- Oxford Companion to the Bible

4) The Apocryphal Tradition

Ca. 150 B.C.E., the author of 1 Enoch wrote of his spell-binding journey to heaven where he saw angels and their glory.

"And these are the names of the holy angels who watch. Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus. Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men. Raguel, one of the holy angels who takes vengeance on the world of the luminaries. Michael, one of the holy angels, to wit, he that is set over the best part of mankind and over chaos. Saraqael, one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit. Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise."
- 1 Enoch 20:1-8

Essene proselytes swore to "preserve the books belonging to their sect, and the names of the angels." (Flavius Josephus, Wars of the Jews, Bk 2, Ch 8, Sn 7). The First Book of Enoch was the first piece of Jewish literature to describe a class of angels, the Watchers, who are positively evil and who lead the dead to a place of eternal torment.

"And all the angels shall execute their commandst
And shall seek to hide themselves from the presence of the Great Glory,
And the children of earth shall tremble and quake;
And ye sinners shall be cursed for ever,
And ye shall have no peace."
- 1 Enoch 102:3


Thule
Did the ancients descend from God-like extraterrestrials? Accounts from ancient literature around the world


so who is right bible/enoch/flavius or sitchin/thule/elite ?

[synergy777]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=304697

ancient astronauts, ancient ufos, not so wacky is it, if it is, then so is the bible. fallen/aliens, chariots of fire/ufo's

[tinmenace]

I was very impressed with his book "The Earth Chronicles Expeditions".

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/earthchroniclesexpeditions.jpg

[tinmenace]

I have many of his books, I think he brings attention to many key artifacts and sources that provide hints of our past. His interpretations on the other hand come across as very bias. He paints the annunaki in a very glorious picture, yet he does not once mention any type of negativity in relation to the annunaki, such as any mention of them eating us, looking at us as slaves to do their mining, etc..

What I think he does offer that is worthy of considering is the travelling/arrival of nibiru and the effects it had on earth, the 'gods from the sky' coming from another star system, the numerology of the annunaki which is still symbolized today, and the ancient genetic engineering knowledge indicating we have not simply evolved darwinian style.

Agreed. The only thing that pushed the red button for me, on him, was his religion which may have made him a little bit biased. However, there is information, that has nothing to do with religion at all, that I think is not to be missed.

Like Lapis always says, take what resonates with you and leave the rest behind.

[davidbarstis]

I've read some of hisbooks. Just seems to me he's giving his honest interpretation of what he thinks the meaning is behind the ancient texts. I don't think it's disinfo. Maybe some misinfo.

[tinmenace]

I've read some of hisbooks. Just seems to me he's giving his honest interpretation of what he thinks the meaning is behind the ancient texts. I don't think it's disinfo. Maybe some misinfo.

That's a good way of looking at it.

[thetonic]

i just want to like him . i don't see why his motivations would be. he is basically telling us some truth? right?

Why do you think you "just want to like him"... Is it because hes so cute and fuzzy?... Or does he tell you things that comfort you?...

The best con artists are the ones that play upon your emotions... Your weaknesses... SOME TRUTH is just that SOME... You can tell someone that there is a spider sitting on them, but if you dont tell them where, then they will swat at there whole body, and maybe the spider never gets touched!

Dont be fooled... Please!

(also dont kill spiders.. they are cuter than Sitchin)

[gorgeousbutterfly]

Why do you think you "just want to like him"... Is it because hes so cute and fuzzy?... Or does he tell you things that comfort you?...

The best con artists are the ones that play upon your emotions... Your weaknesses... SOME TRUTH is just that SOME... You can tell someone that there is a spider sitting on them, but if you dont tell them where, then they will swat at there whole body, and maybe the spider never gets touched!

Dont be fooled... Please!

(also dont kill spiders.. they are cuter than Sitchin)


because i don't want another person who puts disinfo out there. its annoying!! it misleads people. also because the series looks interesting.

[thetonic]

because i don't want another person who puts disinfo out there. its annoying!! it misleads people. also because the series looks interesting.

I feel you Gorgeous...hehe i like the sound of that:D

but i digress... i think everyone should get away from E.T.s , Nephilum, etc.. as there is no hard physical evidence for these things... If the nephilum come back and want to fight us .. then fine.. we cant do a damn thing except wait for that , so why waste time on it.. work on yourself and things that control yourself externally.. big hint ITS NOT A FUCKIN NEPHILUM! and it starts with a G!

[father ted]

I have heard that his books are disinformation, if its true what is the evidence? anybody know? i find that weird because david icke sites a lot of his info from this guy and so does the author of east of eden.


He also tried to stop a number of his talks if I remember correctly of the interview with Arizona Wilder (or something like that:confused:).

[chris]

If someone is writing a book that can potentially change the history of mankind and isn't scholarly to that of PHD standards and isn't sourced as well as peer reviewed studies then it goes straight into the disinfo bin because whether it's true or not, no one will ever take it seriously, unless they are gullible or just like the idea of his opinions.

[rhodiola]

I disagree. David doesn't have fancy qualifications or have his work 'peer reviewed,' I read books with an open mind and use my intuition to separate lies and truth.

[truthsupplier]

Catch some stuff by Steward Swerdlow... or just peruse these:

http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/homo.html
Human origins explored through science, archaeology and research


http://www.google.com/search?q=%22www.stewartswerdlow.com%22&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS232US233
"www.stewartswerdlow.com" - Google Search


http://www.ask.com/web?qsrc=178&o=12519&l=dir&dm=&q=stewart%20swerdlow
stewart swerdlow - Ask.com Web Search

[baron von lotsov]

because i don't want another person who puts disinfo out there. its annoying!! it misleads people. also because the series looks interesting.

Same here. I spend more time on this forum countering shit by disinfo agents than explaining what the truth is. This forum has a lot of followers, you can see this by nearly every thread having a topic relating to some link and more often these days a video of something. It bores me and you know what, it's so bad that if you do find out something original no one is interested because I does not have the essence of what they want to believe. This is all about want of a belief, something that comforts them. Often the reality is complex and difficult to understand, so it gets ignored. Talk about sheep!

[synergy777]

so who is right bible/enoch/flavius or sitchin/thule/elite ?

i say the bible/enoch/flavius and the mountains of proof in all anceint cultures point to the biblcial fallen, after all if the source/most high exists, then sodo spirits. then these spirtis have free will. so you can get good angels (from the greek word angelos-messengers) and bad angels, the fallen.

i will put my neck on the line and say there are good and bad angels, the good being michael, gabriel, etc the bad being satan/lucifer, samuel etc. if these do not exist, then does our spirit exist, is the bible a complete lie, i don't think so, lol why omit enoch, the book that tells us of this, but support sitchin? que bono?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

The Original Words as concerning the Book of Yahweh will clarify the Enigma of this Topic.

The Beings Yahweh created as His Helpers and Messengers are the Malakim(plural of Malak)=Messenger(s)

When Yahwehs Wife Hillel rebelled and took 1/3 of the Malakim, she became EL(god), Satan , and her Malakim became AngELs

Great Differences in Translations of Names:

Michel=He who is like God

Michayah= Who is like Yahweh?

The Messengers of Yahweh remain Malaks(im)

The Messengers of God are AngELs

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[gorgeousbutterfly]

i say the bible/enoch/flavius and the mountains of proof in all anceint cultures point to the biblcial fallen, after all if the source/most high exists, then sodo spirits. then these spirtis have free will. so you can get good angels (from the greek word angelos-messengers) and bad angels, the fallen.

i will put my neck on the line and say there are good and bad angels, the good being michael, gabriel, etc the bad being satan/lucifer, samuel etc. if these do not exist, then does our spirit exist, is the bible a complete lie, i don't think so, lol why omit enoch, the book that tells us of this, but support sitchin? que bono?


its all to confuse the sh*t out of us. i was thinking that too

[bigus_dickus]

The Original Words as concerning the Book of Yahweh will clarify the Enigma of this Topic.

The Beings Yahweh created as His Helpers and Messengers are the Malakim(plural of Malak)=Messenger(s)

When Yahwehs Wife Hillel rebelled and took 1/3 of the Malakim, she became EL(god), Satan , and her Malakim became AngELs

angel (or agel as it would be more correctly), is the Greek translation of the word Malak and it means messenger.

άγγελος (agelos - angel), comes from the word αγγέλω (agelo - angelo) which means "tell news", announce, notify, transfer, tell. the Greek word άγγελος is related to the Persian άγγαρος (agaros), which means messenger (on a horse).

from this word, you have the word ευαγγέλιον (evangelion = gospel), which means "good news", from ευ (ev) = good and αγγελία (angelia) = news.

angel (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=angel&searchmode=none)
14c. fusion of O.E. engel (with hard -g-) and O.Fr. angele, both from L. angelus, from Gk. angelos "messenger," possibly related to angaros "mounted courier," both from an unknown Oriental source, perhaps related to Skt. ajira- "swift." Used in Scriptural translations for Heb. mal'akh (yehowah) "messenger (of Jehovah)," from base l-'-k "to send." The medieval gold coin (a new issue of the noble, first struck 1465 by Edward VI) was so called for the image of archangel Michael slaying the dragon, which was stamped on it. It was the coin given to patients who had been "touched" for the King's Evil. Angel food cake is from 1881; angel dust "phencyclidine" is from 1968. Angel-fish (1668) was so called for its "wings."

[thirdwave]

I have heard that his books are disinformation, if its true what is the evidence? anybody know? i find that weird because david icke sites a lot of his info from this guy and so does the author of east of eden.



allot of people say allot of people are dis info.... no point in even wondering about it IMO....

the thing is even if a dis-info agent has to miss inform people who know something is up.... at this stage they got to tell the truth a bit anyway..... so I find the key is to only take in info that rings home with you and just listen to your own intuition ... that way even if someone is dis info then their dis info will not be harming you.

for example... I don't think Sitchen would be here telling us about the annunaki so misinform ..... maybe he is here to make us think they were/ARE good, where they were/ARE not.

but still with lots of interesting info... why is it good for Aliens to come are create out civilisation for us? .... don't make sense... them creating it for their own benefit makes perfect sense...

[king]

gorgeousbutterfly

you should start with SitchinIsWrong.com
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/


I know for many who stop by to browse the experience will be painful. So are tetanus shots, but you need them. You need to see what's on this site, too, if you are really interested in truth-seeking. You see, for the past two years I have had an open letter on the Internet asking Mr. Sitchin to answer some very simple, straightforward questions. If you have the courage to take the red pill and enter this site, I believe you'll also think these questions are entirely fair. They have gone unanswered.

and, rest assured Sitchin is not the only disinformer -- there are loads of them.

we should always do our own research on authors/gurus/presenters before we start reading their books and/or listening to their presentations or radio shows.

if we did -- we would save lots of our time and avoid confusion or bad information, not to even mention wasting our life on stupid crap that some "guru" is selling us.
IMO, after some 8 or 9 years of "experience" in conspiracy world.

[king]

allot of people say allot of people are dis info.... no point in even wondering about it IMO....
.

TW,

are you serious?

so if someone is feeding you GARBAGE -- you should just "eat it"?

please explain to me WHY are people like you taking mortals and turning them in deities?
Why should anyone just take all of what Maxwell, Icke, Sitchin, Watt, Jones, Tsarion and rest of the conspiracy hacks are saying as the truth, especially if you know that
A: they are just human, not perfect, making mistakes
B: some are good some are bad, some are deceptive, some are not
C: some are egotistical, some are not but they all have their view of world, and often quite a few parts of their worldview are wrong
D: some of those conspiracy reserchers are members of secret societies, pushing agendas, but others are not
E: they all have one thing in common -- by blabbing about NWO shit they are
programming our consciousness with it

think about it, especially about E:

So, what you are saying is-- we should just buy their theories, keep buying their DVDs and books and newsletters? Because ... they will give us the secret and solution... in that next DVD or book or....?!
because last solution (no solution) did not work (what a surprise), even though it was isold as a solution in that previous book.

Meanwhile nothing that those people have sold us has improved our life.
We are not happier, they did not give us the knowledge how to beat the system.
so, why, oh WHY would we need to spend one penny and one minute on those people's works?
but, we constantly do.

Ever since i cut my hours on this forum to minutes instead of hours -- I feel lot better.
Yes, I am going to enjoy my life, as much as I can by spending here as little time as i can. Eventually -- i may be able to beat my forum addiction.

And explaining to people like you again and again (and wasting my precious minutes) that there are many people who work for the system and who pretend that they are here for our benefit -- seem to be pointless.

while you are thinking of next opportunity to drive Icke arouind maybe you should contemplate how well he has done for himself, on your and mine money. Then think about your financial condition and wealth.

I am not saying this out of jelaousy or hate or what have you.
But, i will give you an example, of your own hero -- as I am sure that you can relate to this pretty well.
first of all, Icke is not a dumb man, as we know.
He has one set of standards for his readers and another for himself.
he talks about Illuminati fiat money that "does not exist, never did, never will"
(his words) that is the money that he is so much against, unless he needs it
for say... a house payment... or grocery shopping or... beer.
Fine, we all use that same money.

But, Icke ain't really doing what he preaches.
If he did -- he'd "take empty jam jars to the bank" (his words), so that he can make his mortgage payments.

I guess Icke prefers cash, just like rest of us do but he advises us to "take empty jam jars" to the bank -- as a payment!
I wonder, why doesn't he do that?

do you see the hypocrisy?

how the fuck someone who does not do what he preaches can change the world as stated in his book?

It all boils down to mantra "buy my books"... buy my DVDs"...."this book contains great secret"... "the book that will change the world" ...
"2012 where history ends" ....."NWO is on the run" ...." New World Order... New World Order...New World Order" "illuminati....illuminati...illuminati" "Masons...masons..masons" more blah blah.... "latest book reveals the true secrets" (cause last book had the same promise and solutions did not work)

need I go on?

I can see now how it works; so many people go from one conspiracy researcher to another one (been there myself), from one topic to another, and people just cannot see that even most genuine conspiracy reserchers are being let in on front doors.
I mean, Watt was supposedly spied upon, they tried burning his place down, but he is allowed to have his own radio show! WTF?

People, I am not a mathematical genius, but numbers do not add up.
something is rotten in conspiracy world.

have we not figured out WHY this is so?
If you rule the world -- why allow that your system is "exposed", from "alternative media" on internet to the Fox news, Discovery channel and even history channel in MSM?!
Why is all of the sudden 2012 and end time shit on history channel? Right after shows about Masons, Templars, Rosecrucians and such?
What is next ? Tsarion, Icke and Maxwell on Fox News and Watt on CNN?

We know that MSM is fully controlled by PTBs, so with that in mind -- i got a question for you:
Why would Illuminati/PTBs/controllers/guardian class want this exposure of existing system to happen?
why would they want that their work is "exposed"?

[sunyatta60]

[QUOTE=synergy777;153013]i say the bible/enoch/flavius and the mountains of proof in all anceint cultures point to the biblcial fallen, after all if the source/most high exists, then sodo spirits. then these spirtis have free will. so you can get good angels (from the greek word angelos-messengers) and bad angels, the fallen.

How do you form the opinion that Angels have free will? Angels were and are just messengers from God they have no free will and guess what you and every other human do not have it either, that is all part of the Illusion to get people like you believing in the Dream/Matrix imho.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations King:

They have been telling us , 'themselves', for many years now.

The Book: Tragedy & Hope, first published late 50s, early 60s, clearly spelled out the PTBs Plans.

Outsourcing, Credit etc. From Dr. Carroll Quigley, Princeton University Institute of Advanced Studies.

The Book is so named because the PTBs claim the Tragedy is there is no Hope for the working people.

Look around, who really 'Gets It'.

Fertile Ground, Good Water and Access to the Sea.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[gorgeousbutterfly]

[QUOTE=synergy777;153013]i say the bible/enoch/flavius and the mountains of proof in all anceint cultures point to the biblcial fallen, after all if the source/most high exists, then sodo spirits. then these spirtis have free will. so you can get good angels (from the greek word angelos-messengers) and bad angels, the fallen.

How do you form the opinion that Angels have free will? Angels were and are just messengers from God they have no free will and guess what you and every other human do not have it either, that is all part of the Illusion to get people like you believing in the Dream/Matrix imho.


angels are really just god's thoughts manifested in form so that we humans will be comforted by it. some people are not comforted by angels so they won't sense them as real. they don't have a personality they are not an entity. i have sensed some of them and i can tell you they really have no personality.

[thirdwave]

TW,

are you serious?

so if someone is feeding you GARBAGE -- you should just "eat it"?


That's not what I am saying, and if you read my post it clearly shows that.

I am saying that turning into a paranoid wreck about it is more beneficial to them than researches not being viewed as a disino.... and that personal intuition goes a long way in making any disinfo ineffective.


please explain to me WHY are people like you taking mortals and turning them in deities?
If you take a look at this argument it is you who are making them out to be deities who some how have the "power to control so many peoples minds"... I disagree they have that power and I disagree that the people you have listed are disinfo.... and IF ..IF any of them are, then I think the only effect they would wish to have is having people like you go on a mission about it.... the info they speak of is there for all to research... if they over hype some of it or give their own slant on it then that's their free right to do so... as its our free right to take in what we wish.... one should never base their own beliefs on the beliefs of other people anyway... and its only people who try to make out one should who I am very weary of.


Why should anyone just take all of what Maxwell, Icke, Sitchin, Watt, Jones, Tsarion and rest of the conspiracy hacks are saying as the truth,

They should not, why should people take all of what you are saying? ... I take in what truth I feel is true.


especially if you know that
A: they are just human, not perfect, making mistakes
exactly and with these people it is often mistaken by some for being a Satanist who are here to deceive us.

B: some are good some are bad, some are deceptive, some are not
this is an assumption... there is not a speck of evidence that suggests anyone in your list is of bad intention... and you only come to these assumptions by surfing the internet and listing to what others have to say about them.

C: some are egotistical, some are not but they all have their view of world, and often quite a few parts of their worldview are wrong
how can their world view be wrong??? ..its there view.
and to stand infront of 2000 people and call Bush a pediofile ..you got to have a bit of an ego.... ego is not a bad thing.... its how we deal with it.

D: some of those conspiracy reserchers are members of secret societies, pushing agendas, but others are not
well this is an interesting quote.... 1, again the only info you have on this is websites from other people who are also probably in secret societies.. 2, we don't know enough about all of the societies to make complete judgement on anyone involved, which is why I think its good to judge people by their actions and effect rather than what back ground you can fish up about them on various random websites.

E: they all have one thing in common -- by blabbing about NWO shit they are
programming our consciousness with it

think about it, especially about E:
I think more and more people need to "blab" about it as we are jogging straight into the NWO and the vast majority of people don't know about it.... and here we have people saying we should not tell anyone about it as we might program them??.... I have to laugh really!

and I am not being programmed, if you are then stop reading up on it... I think people should know about it.. and if it frightens them or programs them then I could not give a toss about them, boo hoo!! .. send them off the nursery school untill they are ready to grow up and face life.... I care about the people who are willing to wake up and willing to make change in their lives and hence help change the way the world is.... I have created a good life for my self and I intend on keeping it up... but this does not mean that the NWO does not exist and more and more people will suffer from being ignorant and in the dark about the reality of it.... so for me it will always be enlightening to help people see the truth....


So, what you are saying is-- we should just buy their theories, keep buying their DVDs and books and newsletters? Because ... they will give us the secret and solution... in that next DVD or book or....?!
because last solution (no solution) did not work (what a surprise), even though it was isold as a solution in that previous book.

LOL after reading this quote I am starting to think if you are trying to brainwash people!! ...I have implied nothing of the sort! ... you are clearly trying to create a false picture on what I am actually saying... or at least it very much appears this way...

I have very clearly stated in my first post that one should use their intuition.. now if you don't take intuition as a valid tool, then fare enough, but I do...

I think people should buy news letters....books.... or what ever, based on what THIER views are on them... not the views of others. ...hence I would not by a book because some bloke on the internet is telling me he is a freemason... I will judge him by my self and then decide if I will by the book. and this is how I think everyone should be.

now you are saying that some people are stupid and are easily brainwashed.... are you saying you think other people should have their minds made up for them??? .. is that not fascism?? ..... stop icke and tsarion.... as people will not think how we want them to!!...They need us to think for them!

because this is how you sound in my view.

Meanwhile nothing that those people have sold us has improved our life.
We are not happier, they did not give us the knowledge how to beat the system.

Well I think there are many happy enlightened people here, my self being one of them.... my advise is if its not making people happy... then they should follow another path where they will be.... afer all we are all different and need to do different things to be happy sometimes..

the knowledge to beat the system is very easy.... THINK FOR YOUR SELF!


so, why, oh WHY would we need to spend one penny and one minute on those people's works?
but, we constantly do.

You are very much genralising.... I have not spent a penny on books for ages...don't really read much now tbh, but if one wishes too its because they are inspired to do so... so are. not because they are brainwashed... and if they are then they have chosen to be... we can introduce other ideas to them.... but its up to them what to believe..... you can only plant a seed... you cant force it to grow.

Ever since i cut my hours on this forum to minutes instead of hours -- I feel lot better.
well there you go.... for you , you are finding solutions and clarifying your path....

Yes, I am going to enjoy my life, as much as I can by spending here as little time as i can. Eventually -- i may be able to beat my forum addiction.
I agree addiction is bad.... I spend to much time on here occasionally.... but I could think of worse addictions.

And explaining to people like you again and again (and wasting my precious minutes) that there are many people who work for the system and who pretend that they are here for our benefit -- seem to be pointless.

yes it is pointless.... the best thing IMO is If you truly think they are... and feel the need to tell people, then begin your own campaign/website...providing your facts and evidence and feelings on it.... and allow people to take it in or not... as the people who you are accusing do.... I have made my feelings clear I think one can even learn from a "disinfo agent" if your perception is in tune..... by I don't think any of who you have accused are.... even if maybe not perfect human beings.

while you are thinking of next opportunity to drive Icke around maybe you should contemplate how well he has done for himself, on your and mine money. Then think about your financial condition and wealth.

LOL, I drove Sean to avebury spend a day in the sunshine around the stone circles and then David bought me a lovely stake a beer and gave me petrol money! ...and yes I would do it again as it was a great day out.... contemplate how well he has done?? ... he has done Great!, although he is not half as Rich as you would like to misinform people about. I wish him all the more success and will buy his new book and continue to receive his news letters that every now and then churn up some interesting reads! .. how do you make your living?? ... who pays you?...


I am not saying this out of jelaousy or hate or what have you.
But, i will give you an example, of your own hero -- as I am sure that you can relate to this pretty well.
first of all, Icke is not a dumb man, as we know.
He has one set of standards for his readers and another for himself.
he talks about Illuminati fiat money that "does not exist, never did, never will"
(his words) that is the money that he is so much against, unless he needs it
for say... a house payment... or grocery shopping or... beer.
Fine, we all use that same money.

But, Icke ain't really doing what he preaches.
If he did -- he'd "take empty jam jars to the bank" (his words), so that he can make his mortgage payments.

no wrong, he is very much practising what he preaches, its just you dont seem to understand what he is preaching.... He is right about money and would still claim to be.... but he is not a God as you are implying that he claims to be... he cant change the world on his own.... WE make money what it is... not just him... and he is spot on with this... also you can make money less of an issue in your life, but this does not mean we all find it easy as this is not the case or he would not have brought it up to start with...

secondly ...he is making a living out of doing what he is passionate about.... and increasingly getting more exposure, so he is right in how we create our realities... you are saying because he is not perfect he is not valid.

I guess Icke prefers cash, just like rest of us do but he advises us to "take empty jam jars" to the bank -- as a payment!
I wonder, why doesn't he do that?
You seem to guess allot of things... on one hand you are saying he is well off because people like me feed him money... and on the other you are saying he is desperate for it... I don't understand what angle you are coming from.... he needs money like the rest of us.... its how we earn it that counts. and how we progress in what we want to do.... just because you dont see money as anything of substance it does not mean you wont make lots of it.... as long as you want security and comfort in life and believes you will get it it will manifest in some way....

do you see the hypocrisy?
no, I see the lack of understanding.

how the fuck someone who does not do what he preaches can change the world as stated in his book?
very true... look at Bush! ..now that's what you call not practising what he preaches... as for Icke he does, you just seem to like to miss quote and manipulate what he is actually saying....

It all boils down to mantra "buy my books"... buy my DVDs"...."this book contains great secret"... "the book that will change the world" ...
"2012 where history ends" ....."NWO is on the run" ...." New World Order... New World Order...New World Order" "illuminati....illuminati...illuminati" "Masons...masons..masons" more blah blah.... "latest book reveals the true secrets" (cause last book had the same promise and solutions did not work)
so we have established he makes a living out of his books that are about secret society's. that manipulate the society. we live in.



I can see now how it works; so many people go from one conspiracy researcher to another one (been there myself), from one topic to another, and people just cannot see that even most genuine conspiracy reserchers are being let in on front doors.
I mean, Watt was supposedly spied upon, they tried burning his place down, but he is allowed to have his own radio show! WTF?
So you think anyone spreading truth should have no power???
boy you think this elite are gods or something don't you!!?


People, I am not a mathematical genius, but numbers do not add up.
something is rotten in conspiracy world.
well walk away from it then...

have we not figured out WHY this is so?
you appear to have done so.... good for you.

If you rule the world -- why allow that your system is "exposed", from "alternative media" on internet to the Fox news, Discovery channel and even history channel in MSM?!

you brainwasher you!!!

they do not rule the world... they manipulate it and us... and control the world..... there desire is to rule the world with a NWO... this is the point.

Why is all of the sudden 2012 and end time shit on history channel? Right after shows about Masons, Templars, Rosecrucians and such?
What is next ? Tsarion, Icke and Maxwell on Fox News and Watt on CNN?
because more and more people want it to be... they do not dictate us yet.... like I say, this is the plan...

We know that MSM is fully controlled by PTBs, so with that in mind -- i got a question for you:
Why would Illuminati/PTBs/controllers/guardian class want this exposure of existing system to happen?
why would they want that their work is "exposed"?

ideally they don't.... but there are 2 reasons some of these groups MAY allow it to come out..

1, because in the past this stuff has just been crazy talk.... distant ramblings from crazy people... now, especially with current affairs in the world, many people are interested... including people that are in powerful positions... there for it is harder to brush it under the carpet... and doing so would only add more suspicion and fuel to the fire.... can you imaging if after all the hype on the net that not 1 UFO Documentary came out on TV???? ..what would that look like??

2, they are preparing for the NWO... a NWO would see them as our rulers and dictators.... they don't want to rule from the shadows... so providing we only realise slowly that they are doing this then they are ok with it.... as long as their plans ar moving forward...

so yes maybe they see ickes and tsarions of the world and think... "well let them work.... they need to know the truth at some stage"

but it comes down to how WE THE PEOPLE react to it and effect it.... they are hoping we just put our heads down... and let them get on with it.... and not learn to much while they are at it.

There.

[king]

If you take a look at this argument it is you who are making them out to be deities who some how have the "power to control so many peoples minds"...



just look at their followers-- they are buying craziest theories as facts


this is an assumption... there is not a speck of evidence that suggests anyone in your list is of bad intention... and you only come to these assumptions by surfing the internet and listing to what others have to say about them.

buddy, my intuition has yet to be wrong
yes, there are deceivers in this group, and there are useful idiots.
if you cannot figure out out by now that there is no "alternative media"
then i feel sorry for you.



I think more and more people need to "blab" about it as we are jogging straight into the NWO and the vast majority of people don't know about it.... and here we have people saying we should not tell anyone about it as we might program them??.... I have to laugh really!

i would laugh too how naive you are, but i almost feel like crying as you are unable to see how years and years of chasing conspiracies can only:
A: bring forth those conspiracies to life thanks to people like you and me
who believe that all that we are told is truth
B: waste years of our life


keep in mind that we are being programmed daily.
you hear Alex Jones yelling how bad things are, don't you?
Guess what -- you are just being programmed that things are really that bad.

this is only one example, i will not even go in swastika in his studio walls concealed as sound insulation .
it is right in your face buddy!

amount of garbage that typical conspiracy follower (you and me) is innundated with is incredible. it is all designed to owerwhem us and make us believe that NWO is done deal.
But, i figured it out buddy, I know how it works.
See, we have to buy-in in what we are being "sold".
We need to go and tell our friends how things are fucked up, trying to "convert" them. In reality we do not even realize that we were the propaganda tool for PTBs. What we should do is look lot deeper than who said what and when, we need to question EVERYONE who is telling you this informattion that was bottled for centuries, and we we need to get to the basic reasons as why would someone want us to have this information, at this time.
WHY now?



and I am not being programmed,

we all are. everything that we hear, read or see is programming us!
that is how we learn, how we base our decisions on.


. but this does not mean that the NWO does not exist and more and more people will suffer from being ignorant and in the dark about the reality of it



and how is your knowledge going to help them?


I have implied nothing of the sort! ... you are clearly trying to create a false picture on what I am actually saying... or at least it very much appears this way...

i am trying to make you think, that is all



I think people should buy news letters....books.... or what ever, based on what THIER views are on them...
they should be free to so, but they should scrutinize the information

are you saying you think other people should have their minds made up for them??? .. is that not fascism??

no, read again what i wrote



Well I think there are many happy enlightened people here, my self being one of them.... my advise is if its not making people happy
enlightenment and happiness does not come by following a guru


the knowledge to beat the system is very easy.... THINK FOR YOUR SELF!


gee whiz?! what was i suggesting -- have your guru think for you?



You are very much genralising.... I have not spent a penny on books for ages...


i was not talking about you - i was talking in general, to make others who are reading the thread think. if this was your opinion and you told me all of that that you expressed here one on one -- i would not even respond except -- "i mostly disagree".

So you think anyone spreading truth should have no power???
boy you think this elite are gods or something don't you!!?

define the truth for me. who is the authority on truth?
Jesus, Messiah, Allah, Bush, Blair, Icke, Tsarion, Watt....???





you brainwasher you!!!
if i am brainwasher wasting my time with someone who is missing my point (seems to be intentional) then i am a shitty brainwasher.


they do not rule the world... they manipulate it and us... and control the world..... there desire is to rule the world with a NWO... this is the point.

I did not know that!
what do you think was point of my post?
apparently you did not read it.so, why am i wasting my time arguing points with you?

so yes maybe they see ickes and tsarions of the world and think... "well let them work.... they need to know the truth at some stage"

it is that, but also more than that -- by repeating a lie (or anything for that matter) number of times -- we begin to believe in it... unless we figure out how they manipulate us, unless we connect the dots as WHY all of the sudden the old has to be "exposed".
And, you will see that all that negative shit that they bombard us with (psyops) is there for one reson only -- to make us believe that things are
getting worse by the day, that there is nothing we can do, that situation is hopeless.
I mean they even have Bill Deagle and Allan Watt in same "world is ending" interview, just like they put "world is ending" on History channel.

smell a rat?

or are you still enlightened man (as you say) in a dark room without any light?

I am man enough to admit -- I have been had. in last 8 years i swallowed B.S. from Icke, Jones and many others. I thought they were either honest, or not useful idiots, but that is obviously not so.

Good thing is that i learned a lot, about world around me and about myself, but bad thing is that i could have better used 8 years of my life on something
more harmonious and productive.

but it comes down to how WE THE PEOPLE react to it and effect it....
I agree here

they are hoping we just put our heads down...

humanity in general already did.
no one thinks for himself any longer
this is not going to get better, only worse.
how can you fix something that is so corrupt that it cannot be fixed?


anyways.
points i made are applying to more than you.
they apply to my "old self", and to many other people who are still trying to figure out that last peace of the puzzle. all i am doing is giving them some ideas, and you buddy should not take this as a personal argument with you
because it is not.

whatever you think of this-- i respect that as your right.


i really need to cut hours off this forum

[abrilliantone]

The NWO is tricky never know what trick they have up they sleeve. It's good people out there giving us good information. But there's also bad ones who mixes the good info with dis-info. David Icke does quote Sitchin in his books but like David Icke also states "this is only information that i think you should have,do with it what you want" He's just showing you all the angles it's up to YOU to decide with angle you're gonna look at.:D:):cool:

[bobbydiva]

Personally I'm not cut out for Sitchin's work. I just started reading his The End of Days book and its a bit of a tongue tizzler.

[nicolaj]

See, we have to buy-in in what we are being "sold".
We need to go and tell our friends how things are fucked up, trying to "convert" them. In reality we do not even realize that we were the propaganda tool for PTBs. What we should do is look lot deeper than who said what and when, we need to question EVERYONE who is telling you this informattion that was bottled for centuries, and we we need to get to the basic reasons as why would someone want us to have this information, at this time.
WHY now?

great posts King..I came to the same conclusions awhile back.

[marpat]

Cordial Felicitations:

The Original Words as concerning the Book of Yahweh will clarify the Enigma of this Topic.

The Beings Yahweh created as His Helpers and Messengers are the Malakim(plural of Malak)=Messenger(s)

When Yahwehs Wife Hillel rebelled and took 1/3 of the Malakim, she became EL(god), Satan , and her Malakim became AngELs

Great Differences in Translations of Names:

Michel=He who is like God

Michayah= Who is like Yahweh?

The Messengers of Yahweh remain Malaks(im)

The Messengers of God are AngELs

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

I though malakim refered to kings not messengers

[marpat]

The NWO is tricky never know what trick they have up they sleeve. It's good people out there giving us good information. But there's also bad ones who mixes the good info with dis-info. David Icke does quote Sitchin in his books but like David Icke also states "this is only information that i think you should have,do with it what you want" He's just showing you all the angles it's up to YOU to decide with angle you're gonna look at.:D:):cool:

Its quite a clever tactic though saying do what you want with it because a lot of his fans will accept what he says as fact without ever looking into the issues, or ever questioning how true they are. In the field of translation of ancient tablets Sitchin has a bit of a dubious reputation

[childofthetao]

I used to believe Sitchin. But now I know more.

Let's assume Sitchin is telling the truth. Of course you will get sites like sitchiniswrong.com to discredit him. So you don't know what to believe. Understandable. But just look at how Sitchin responds, he says nothing, he doesn't say "no you are wrong, let me explain how" he simply remains silent as though he doesn't care about the truth. So let Sitchins actions speak for themselves.

Now, one MAJOR reason for this whole Sitchin/Sumerian alien thing is the "fact" that Sumer and the ancient civs all appear suddenly from nowhere. Well this is complete shite, and I wonder why such a rumour is never countered.

In the past the sea level was MUCH lower. This means there was a lot more land mass.

Now, knowing that, doesn't it seem obvious that civilization developed on the land that is now underwater, and as the sea level rose slowly over time, civs moved and developed until at some point it looked as though the civs sprung up from nowhere with lots of development as there roots sank behind them?

I think this whole "engineered as slaves" thing is something "they" want people believing, maybe the new religion they want to spread, I mean it must be easier to enslave a people that believe they were created as slaves by godly aliens. They are simply projecting the "gods with slaves" image that they want to overlay on reality into the past making it easier to achieve.

[marpat]

I used to believe Sitchin. But now I know more.

Let's assume Sitchin is telling the truth. Of course you will get sites like sitchiniswrong.com to discredit him. So you don't know what to believe. Understandable. But just look at how Sitchin responds, he says nothing, he doesn't say "no you are wrong, let me explain how" he simply remains silent as though he doesn't care about the truth. So let Sitchins actions speak for themselves.

Now, one MAJOR reason for this whole Sitchin/Sumerian alien thing is the "fact" that Sumer and the ancient civs all appear suddenly from nowhere. Well this is complete shite, and I wonder why such a rumour is never countered.

In the past the sea level was MUCH lower. This means there was a lot more land mass.

Now, knowing that, doesn't it seem obvious that civilization developed on the land that is now underwater, and as the sea level rose slowly over time, civs moved and developed until at some point it looked as though the civs sprung up from nowhere with lots of development as there roots sank behind them?

I think this whole "engineered as slaves" thing is something "they" want people believing, maybe the new religion they want to spread, I mean it must be easier to enslave a people that believe they were created as slaves by godly aliens. They are simply projecting the "gods with slaves" image that they want to overlay on reality into the past making it easier to achieve.

I dont know if those sites are meant to discredit him. Maybe they just want to show people what the texts say in themselves without somebody trying to use it to support something they personally believe in. Von Daniken used a lot of that sort of stuff to promote his ideas yet you never hear of the guy now. Maybe people got bored with theories that lead nowhere.

It is always suspicious when people will not offer a defence of their views, as if they are avoiding being challenged and defeat on issues. I guess once you are writing books on this sort of thing that if you debate it with somebody from the relevant field and they trash your theories then it is not going to look good from a sales point, so maybe that is why he avoids the debate. If he thinks he is correct and that his work is valid then there is no reason for him to say nothing. If he knows the facts he should be able to silence his critics.

[gaias child]

I used to believe Sitchin. But now I know more.

Let's assume Sitchin is telling the truth. Of course you will get sites like sitchiniswrong.com to discredit him. So you don't know what to believe. Understandable. But just look at how Sitchin responds, he says nothing, he doesn't say "no you are wrong, let me explain how" he simply remains silent as though he doesn't care about the truth. So let Sitchins actions speak for themselves.

Now, one MAJOR reason for this whole Sitchin/Sumerian alien thing is the "fact" that Sumer and the ancient civs all appear suddenly from nowhere. Well this is complete shite, and I wonder why such a rumour is never countered.

In the past the sea level was MUCH lower. This means there was a lot more land mass.

Now, knowing that, doesn't it seem obvious that civilization developed on the land that is now underwater, and as the sea level rose slowly over time, civs moved and developed until at some point it looked as though the civs sprung up from nowhere with lots of development as there roots sank behind them?

I think this whole "engineered as slaves" thing is something "they" want people believing, maybe the new religion they want to spread, I mean it must be easier to enslave a people that believe they were created as slaves by godly aliens. They are simply projecting the "gods with slaves" image that they want to overlay on reality into the past making it easier to achieve.

Great post.

keep in mind that we are being programmed daily.
you hear Alex Jones yelling how bad things are, don't you?
Guess what -- you are just being programmed that things are really that bad.


+1

[rodin]

Not a chocolate teapot's chance in Hell

[djhooker]

i was listening to the some of the bill cooper mystery babylon series, he mentioned that sitchin has tainted what we know of the mystery religion (i'm paraphrasing here, was something to that effect)

i myself haven't read any of his stuff, so can't really add personal comment to this thread.

[dankai]

I have many of his books, I think he brings attention to many key artifacts and sources that provide hints of our past. His interpretations on the other hand come across as very bias. He paints the annunaki in a very glorious picture, yet he does not once mention any type of negativity in relation to the annunaki, such as any mention of them eating us, looking at us as slaves to do their mining, etc..

What I think he does offer that is worthy of considering is the travelling/arrival of nibiru and the effects it had on earth, the 'gods from the sky' coming from another star system, the numerology of the annunaki which is still symbolized today, and the ancient genetic engineering knowledge indicating we have not simply evolved darwinian style.

Agreed. This man has traveled to every place on earth that he personally researched. Much more than most of us have ever done in our entire lives. If we question his findings, then search out the answers ourselves. I support his findings.

[dankai]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=304697

ancient astronauts, ancient ufos, not so wacky is it, if it is, then so is the bible. fallen/aliens, chariots of fire/ufo's

Agreed.

[dankai]

That's not what I am saying, and if you read my post it clearly shows that.

I am saying that turning into a paranoid wreck about it is more beneficial to them than researches not being viewed as a disino.... and that personal intuition goes a long way in making any disinfo ineffective.



If you take a look at this argument it is you who are making them out to be deities who some how have the "power to control so many peoples minds"... I disagree they have that power and I disagree that the people you have listed are disinfo.... and IF ..IF any of them are, then I think the only effect they would wish to have is having people like you go on a mission about it.... the info they speak of is there for all to research... if they over hype some of it or give their own slant on it then that's their free right to do so... as its our free right to take in what we wish.... one should never base their own beliefs on the beliefs of other people anyway... and its only people who try to make out one should who I am very weary of.



They should not, why should people take all of what you are saying? ... I take in what truth I feel is true.



exactly and with these people it is often mistaken by some for being a Satanist who are here to deceive us.


this is an assumption... there is not a speck of evidence that suggests anyone in your list is of bad intention... and you only come to these assumptions by surfing the internet and listing to what others have to say about them.

how can their world view be wrong??? ..its there view.
and to stand infront of 2000 people and call Bush a pediofile ..you got to have a bit of an ego.... ego is not a bad thing.... its how we deal with it.


well this is an interesting quote.... 1, again the only info you have on this is websites from other people who are also probably in secret societies.. 2, we don't know enough about all of the societies to make complete judgement on anyone involved, which is why I think its good to judge people by their actions and effect rather than what back ground you can fish up about them on various random websites.


I think more and more people need to "blab" about it as we are jogging straight into the NWO and the vast majority of people don't know about it.... and here we have people saying we should not tell anyone about it as we might program them??.... I have to laugh really!

and I am not being programmed, if you are then stop reading up on it... I think people should know about it.. and if it frightens them or programs them then I could not give a toss about them, boo hoo!! .. send them off the nursery school untill they are ready to grow up and face life.... I care about the people who are willing to wake up and willing to make change in their lives and hence help change the way the world is.... I have created a good life for my self and I intend on keeping it up... but this does not mean that the NWO does not exist and more and more people will suffer from being ignorant and in the dark about the reality of it.... so for me it will always be enlightening to help people see the truth....




LOL after reading this quote I am starting to think if you are trying to brainwash people!! ...I have implied nothing of the sort! ... you are clearly trying to create a false picture on what I am actually saying... or at least it very much appears this way...

I have very clearly stated in my first post that one should use their intuition.. now if you don't take intuition as a valid tool, then fare enough, but I do...

I think people should buy news letters....books.... or what ever, based on what THIER views are on them... not the views of others. ...hence I would not by a book because some bloke on the internet is telling me he is a freemason... I will judge him by my self and then decide if I will by the book. and this is how I think everyone should be.

now you are saying that some people are stupid and are easily brainwashed.... are you saying you think other people should have their minds made up for them??? .. is that not fascism?? ..... stop icke and tsarion.... as people will not think how we want them to!!...They need us to think for them!

because this is how you sound in my view.



Well I think there are many happy enlightened people here, my self being one of them.... my advise is if its not making people happy... then they should follow another path where they will be.... afer all we are all different and need to do different things to be happy sometimes..

the knowledge to beat the system is very easy.... THINK FOR YOUR SELF!




You are very much genralising.... I have not spent a penny on books for ages...don't really read much now tbh, but if one wishes too its because they are inspired to do so... so are. not because they are brainwashed... and if they are then they have chosen to be... we can introduce other ideas to them.... but its up to them what to believe..... you can only plant a seed... you cant force it to grow.


well there you go.... for you , you are finding solutions and clarifying your path....


I agree addiction is bad.... I spend to much time on here occasionally.... but I could think of worse addictions.



yes it is pointless.... the best thing IMO is If you truly think they are... and feel the need to tell people, then begin your own campaign/website...providing your facts and evidence and feelings on it.... and allow people to take it in or not... as the people who you are accusing do.... I have made my feelings clear I think one can even learn from a "disinfo agent" if your perception is in tune..... by I don't think any of who you have accused are.... even if maybe not perfect human beings.



LOL, I drove Sean to avebury spend a day in the sunshine around the stone circles and then David bought me a lovely stake a beer and gave me petrol money! ...and yes I would do it again as it was a great day out.... contemplate how well he has done?? ... he has done Great!, although he is not half as Rich as you would like to misinform people about. I wish him all the more success and will buy his new book and continue to receive his news letters that every now and then churn up some interesting reads! .. how do you make your living?? ... who pays you?...




no wrong, he is very much practising what he preaches, its just you dont seem to understand what he is preaching.... He is right about money and would still claim to be.... but he is not a God as you are implying that he claims to be... he cant change the world on his own.... WE make money what it is... not just him... and he is spot on with this... also you can make money less of an issue in your life, but this does not mean we all find it easy as this is not the case or he would not have brought it up to start with...

secondly ...he is making a living out of doing what he is passionate about.... and increasingly getting more exposure, so he is right in how we create our realities... you are saying because he is not perfect he is not valid.


You seem to guess allot of things... on one hand you are saying he is well off because people like me feed him money... and on the other you are saying he is desperate for it... I don't understand what angle you are coming from.... he needs money like the rest of us.... its how we earn it that counts. and how we progress in what we want to do.... just because you dont see money as anything of substance it does not mean you wont make lots of it.... as long as you want security and comfort in life and believes you will get it it will manifest in some way....


no, I see the lack of understanding.


very true... look at Bush! ..now that's what you call not practising what he preaches... as for Icke he does, you just seem to like to miss quote and manipulate what he is actually saying....


so we have established he makes a living out of his books that are about secret society's. that manipulate the society. we live in.




So you think anyone spreading truth should have no power???
boy you think this elite are gods or something don't you!!?


well walk away from it then...


you appear to have done so.... good for you.



you brainwasher you!!!

they do not rule the world... they manipulate it and us... and control the world..... there desire is to rule the world with a NWO... this is the point.


because more and more people want it to be... they do not dictate us yet.... like I say, this is the plan...



ideally they don't.... but there are 2 reasons some of these groups MAY allow it to come out..

1, because in the past this stuff has just been crazy talk.... distant ramblings from crazy people... now, especially with current affairs in the world, many people are interested... including people that are in powerful positions... there for it is harder to brush it under the carpet... and doing so would only add more suspicion and fuel to the fire.... can you imaging if after all the hype on the net that not 1 UFO Documentary came out on TV???? ..what would that look like??

2, they are preparing for the NWO... a NWO would see them as our rulers and dictators.... they don't want to rule from the shadows... so providing we only realise slowly that they are doing this then they are ok with it.... as long as their plans ar moving forward...

so yes maybe they see ickes and tsarions of the world and think... "well let them work.... they need to know the truth at some stage"

but it comes down to how WE THE PEOPLE react to it and effect it.... they are hoping we just put our heads down... and let them get on with it.... and not learn to much while they are at it.

There.

Wow...now THAT was a 'Reply' LOL

[dankai]

It is always suspicious when people will not offer a defence of their views, as if they are avoiding being challenged and defeat on issues. I guess once you are writing books on this sort of thing that if you debate it with somebody from the relevant field and they trash your theories then it is not going to look good from a sales point, so maybe that is why he avoids the debate. If he thinks he is correct and that his work is valid then there is no reason for him to say nothing. If he knows the facts he should be able to silence his critics.

I don't think anyone should have to defend themselves after they have put all of their work on the table. If I wrote the material and someone said, "Prove it" I would respond by saying, "Read my book. That's why I wrote it. My defence is in my writings."