Muhammed: The Terrorist

[picha]

The dictionary definition of terrorism is “the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear." Sadly, we are living in an age that we do not need to consult a dictionary to learn the meaning of terrorism. Even our children know about it and are affected by it.
Islamic terrorism has its origin in the sayings and examples set by Muhammad.
In the last ten years of his life, after Muhammad migrated to Medina , he launched no less than 78 raids called qazwa (raid, ambush, sudden attack). Some of these qazwas involved the assassination of one opponent by one or a group of volunteers, and others were carried out by hundreds or thousands of warriors. Nonetheless a common characteristic of all Muhammad’s incursions was that they were done without notice. The enemy was caught off guard without being given the chance to prepare himself or be armed. As such all Muhammad’s victims were civilians.
The historian Abul Husain Muslim Nisapuri writes:
Ibn 'Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi' inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before meeting them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi' said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.” Muslim 19: 4292 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4292)
Muhammad used the same element of surprise in virtually all his raids. Bukhari writes:
Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) offered the Fajr prayer when it was still dark, then he rode and said, 'Allah Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. When we approach near to a nation, the most unfortunate is the morning of those who have been warned." The people came out into the streets saying, "Muhammad and his army." Allah's Apostle vanquished them by force and their warriors were killed; the children and women were taken as captives. Safiya was taken by Dihya Al-Kalbi and later she belonged to Allah's Apostle go who married her and her Mahr was her manumission. Bukhari 2.14.068 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/014.sbt.html#002.014.068)
Here we read that Muhammad said: “the most unfortunate is the morning of those who have been warned.” This should not be interpreted as announcing his plans for war. Actually not even his men knew which town they are going to attack until they reached at the gates of that town. He sent spies to the cities that he wanted to attack and ambushed them when they were least prepared. This “warning” should be interpreted with the understanding of the Muslim mind. As far as Muslims are concerned we are all warned. They have called us to convert or prepare to die. This is the warning. There will be no other warning. Now that they have issued the warning, we are all fair game. All the non-Muslims are legitimate targets of Islamic terrorism. Muslim warriors today, do what their prophet did and follow his examples. The pattern and the modus operandi, is already set. All Muslims’ wars and conquests have been through raid. This has been always the case and the secret of their success. In one hadith Muhammad boasted, “I have been made victorious through terror”. Bukhari 4:52.220 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.220)
About four years after Hijra, an ambulant vendor came to Medina reporting that the tribes of Anmar and Tha’laba, (sun clans of Ghatfan) have gathered in Dhatal Riqa’. Upon hearing this news Muhammad left his loyal companion Utham in charge of the city and with a group of four hundred men (or seven hundred) warriors immediately headed to the place of the gathering of these Arab tribes. He found no one there but a few women, between them there was a beautiful girl. They captured the women. The men of the tribe took refuge in the mountains. (Ibn Sa’d Tabaqat V. 2 P. 59)
When the prayer time came, the Muslims were afraid that the Ghatafan men might descend from their mountain hideout and make a sudden attack on them while they were praying. Apprehending this fear, Muhammad introduced the ‘prayer of fear,’ where a party of faithful stands guard while the other party prays. Then they take turns. A revelation came from Allah on this provision regarding shortening of a prayer. (4:100-102 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.100))
And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open enemy. (4:101)
Two months after the raid of Dhatal Riqa’ Muhammad received the news that a large group of Ghatfan has gathered in the oasis of Dumatal Jandal, between Hijaz and al-Sham to barter goods. This place was five nights journey from Medina . Muhammad immediately gathered one thousand of his followers. They rode during the night and hid during the day. Muhammad also took the informer who was from the tribe of Bani udhrah as the guide. He reached this group at night time and the footprints of their herds of goats and camels could were still on the ground. The Muslims raided the herds of the animals, some of the shepherds were killed and some escaped. Muslims collected a large spoil. When the news reached the people of Domat, they scattered and the Prophet found no one in their place. He stayed a few days and sent various groups to the neighborhood to investigate but they returned having found no one, except one man whom they took as captive. Muhammad asked him about the tribe, the man said when the people heard about the raid they escaped. The Prophet then called upon him to accept Islam, which he did and then the Muslims returned to Medina . (Ibn Sa’d Tabaqat V. 2 P. 60)
Muslim historian claim that Muhammad the Qatfan were planning to attack Muslims. This is typical Islamic mindset, that always blames their victims. As the their own tale makes it clear, these people were a bunch of nomads and herdsmen and not warriors. Today Muslims use the same excuses and blame their victims to justify thier crimes against humanity. As an Arab proverb says: Darabani, wa baka; Sabaqani, wa'shtaka “ He struck me, and started crying; then he went ahead of me and charged me with beating him!” This has been Muhammad’s and his followers modus operandi.

[actaeons_revenge]

Picha, Picha!

I can just hear the extremists foaming at the mouth.

[lawliet]

Ofcourse Islam was used by spreading terror. When i was a child my mother told me how the Imams and prophets slayed their enemies, how the king of persia ran away when the great muslims came... i thought it was god helping them, but when i grew older and i understood that it was pure terrorism. Killing everyone who does not agree to become a muslim, opressing women, i spit in the face of Muhammed and the Imams! for long i have kept silence in real life so that i don't hurt muslims feeling, now whenever the conversation go's to Islam i say it in their face... it has upset many people and got me in a fight oor two, but it feels good to tell the truth, no longer hold back by fear :)

Great evile must be faced and demolished, any muslim wishing to defend their barbarian piece of shit religion come and face me, your disgusting religion destroys culture and civilization! I can't wait for the day when the young people of Iran breath new live in Iran and the fire of our nation burns once again, consuming and eradicating the cancer known as Islam.

The west needs to wake up and seriously deal with muslims and Islam! do not allow MUSLIMS to live in the west. Muhammed was the greatest terrorist who ever lived, Hitler is a joke compared to Muhammed the mass killing terrorist.

[eternal_spirit]

Lawliet many Indians feel the same about how their country was invaded and millions slaughtered by Islam. And they are trying to take over again Today.

It's been ongoing for many centuries. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Indonesia also have the Islam problem to name a few places in that area of the world.

[dragon fang]

On that account: We ordained For the Children of Israel That if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. The although there came To them Our Messengers With clear Sings, yet, Even after that, many Of them continued to commit Excess in the land. ( Quran 5:32)"

"Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. ( Quran, 25:68-69)"

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. ( Quran, 2:190)"

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. ( Quran, 49:13)"

"They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' ( Quran, 76:7-9)"

After Mohammad (pbuh) forgave the pagans Arab tribes after years of being attacked, tortured, oppressed, and sanctioned by them.
Then the Prophet (pbuh) sent letters to the surrounding powers inviting them to Islam and the permission to call to the path of the Almighty just like Moses did to Pharaoh.
The Christian Byzantine king murdered the messenger whom the Prophet (pbuh) sent and then sent his headless body back to the Prophet (pbuh) and annouced war on the Islam.
The Persian Emperor became outraged and cursed the letter-bearer and told him that if it wasn't against international practice he would have him mutilated, Instead he cussed the Muslim letter-bearer and claimed that the Arabs are merely slaves to the Persians and that He will send an army to have the Prophet seized, humiliated and imprisoned.
The Egyptian Christian king sent a respectful no but thank you message, And sent some gifts.
The Ethiopian (Abyssinian) king voiced his will to embrace Islam after he studied it, yet secretly because he feared what the church might do to him.

You must understand that back then the world was made up of empires and nomad lands;No borders and no free democracies, The world was in a perpetual state of war, Romans and Persians wanted to conquer the world, They would start war for the stupidest reason.
So if the leader shows hostility to a group then I guarantee that you can expect all kinds of trouble from them.

So because of that the Prophet immediately sent armies to the closest and most clear threat which was the Byzantines who showed no respect, After the death of the Prophet (1 year after that), His successor in authority over the Islamic state and not in Prophet-hood, started sending armies to wage an all out war on both hostile powers in Persia and Byzantium who obviously will not allow a peaceful mission of spreading Islam in their lands.

The Muslim warriors were way outnumbered and out-equipped toppled the Persian empire and Byzantine (half of the roman empire) in less than 50 years with the help of Allah.

What do you expect? Stay on their homes and wait for them to kill anyone who reject being a muslim?

They didn’t force religion on anyone; They would make a contract of a tax in return for freedom of like, religion and worshiping places, and trade, Work, Money in the Muslim lands for all non-Muslim believers in God, The Islamic countries were the only one that would offer such respect and freedom to people from other cultures and religion, And because of that many came to Islamic lands.
It was the morals, uprightness, and justice of Islam and its law that attracted most of these people to become Muslim, It is the opposite of what you thought, Some people from other cultures became Muslims after they saw the honesty and justice of Muslim traders coming into their land.

In the Muslim world you can find beautiful ancient churches and temples some of them are traced back to before the Muslim rule, Alot of them in Jerusalem, Bethleham, and Nazereth, There are 30 million orthodox/catholic Arabs across the Middle East today whose roots go back also before the Muslim domination of these lands this is roughly 10% of the Arab world, Why didn't they kill those Arab infidels?
And there was never a war fought by the Muslims anywhere near Indonesia.
Indonesia is the most densely populated Muslim country of close to 200 million Muslims whose ancestors learned of Islam through traders and merchants from the Islamic world, Because they actually listen and respect.

“History makes it clear however, legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam a the point of a sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.” (by: De lacy O’Leary “Islam at the crossroads” pg.8)

“The more important factor for the spread of Islam is its (just) religious law (shariah) which was designed to cover all manifestations of life” (Franz Rosenthal, “Political thought in Medieval Islam” pg. 21 Cambridge Press)

The Europeans were no different than the Persian and the Byzantines, They wanted war and to destroy Islam.

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“History makes it clear however, legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam a the point of a sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.” (by: De lacy O’Leary “Islam at the crossroads” pg.8)


The Jews of Yathrib were never exterminated by Muhammed, their wives and children never enslaved .The battle of the Yarmuk never took place. The same is valid about Qadisya and Nehavend as Persia remained free and never converted at the point of the sword to Islam. Islam was so fashionable in Persia from 610 that everyone wanted to enjoy it to the full . Constantinople was never besieged by the Arabs and particularly the year 717 A.D. was one of the happiest in Byzantine history because the Byzantines saved a lot of money not having to waste their expensive Greek fire on Allah's peaceful missionaries and preachers. Charles Martel was a minor figure in the history of the world and he had never seen a single Arab beduin in his life although some of his libels on them have been preserved now banned throughout Chirac's France. Spain just by accident became Muslim with the Visigoth kings voluntarily embracing Islam and dispatching en masse the most beautiful Gothic ladies to the harems of their Islamic advisors and elder brothers. The raids on the south coasts of Italy and France are never mentioned in any original annals of the 9th or 10th century...Any opinions different from these have long been proved by Islamic scholars and some of the more tolerant and open-minded Western historians as "totally baseless".

[dragon fang]

The Jews of Yathrib ( read the story, They fought with the pagans to destroy islam and attacked them from behind after they had a peace treaty, And the responsible for the betrayal and killing were only killed, The rest were banished from it.) were never exterminated by Muhammed, their wives and children never enslaved (Nope they didn't).The battle of the Yarmuk never took place (It took, But why did the romans start the war? It is their fault). The same is valid about Qadisya and Nehavend as Persia remained free and never converted at the point of the sword to Islam (Nope, They converted after studying Islam). Islam was so fashionable in Persia from 610 that everyone wanted to enjoy it to the full (Yep). Constantinople was never besieged by the Arabs and particularly the year 717 A.D. was one of the happiest in Byzantine history because the Byzantines saved a lot of money not having to waste their expensive Greek fire on Allah's peaceful missionaries and preachers (They kept the war and didn't want a peace treaty). Charles Martel was a minor figure in the history of the world and he had never seen a single Arab beduin in his life although some of his libels on them have been preserved now banned throughout Chirac's France (He wasn't a low figure he is famous, And his libels aren't banned). Spain just by accident became Muslim with the Visigoth kings voluntarily embracing Islam and dispatching en masse the most beautiful Gothic ladies to the harems of their Islamic advisors and elder brothers (They went peacefully to teach people Islam then they attacked them WTF). The raids on the south coasts of Italy and France are never mentioned in any original annals of the 9th or 10th century...Any opinions different from these have long been proved by Islamic scholars and some of the more tolerant and open-minded Western historians as "totally baseless".

Learn history.

[pert]

I have

[choice]

Picha, you are boring, always speaking the same. We got your point of view man, but the more you brag on it, the more you lose credibility. You are an extremist that spreads negativity and hate. In my eyes, you are absolutely no better then what you are trying to fight against. When a man sees something going wrong, he shouldn't use the same tactic, on the contrary. Instead, you are being as ass. I start thinking you hate muslims because you hate yourself.

How many relatives and friends of yours died on a terrorist attack? And how many died with cancer?
Cigarrets and alcohol is killing more then muslim terrorists did so far. Why don't you give priority to things and brag about it instead?

M8, i am not muslim and was raised a catholic in a catholic land, in europe. But extremists like you made me gain sympathy for muslims. I rly pitty them. If i was one and daily had to listen shit as you say, i would beg Alah to give me the patience, cause you are denigrating, and... a bigot.

Do something useful and go clean some streets, real trash.

May Allah have mercy on you. And Buddha forgive you for using his avatar.

/ignore from now on. You're just another propaganda answering machine, spreading hate. And you totally even failed with it.

[picha]

Picha, you are boring, always speaking the same. We got your point of view man, but the more you brag on it, the more you lose credibility. You are an extremist that spreads negativity and hate. In my eyes, you are absolutely no better then what you are trying to fight against. When a man sees something going wrong, he shouldn't use the same tactic, on the contrary. Instead, you are being as ass. I start thinking you hate muslims because you hate yourself.

How many relatives and friends of yours died on a terrorist attack? And how many died with cancer?
Cigarrets and alcohol is killing more then muslim terrorists did so far. Why don't you give priority to things and brag about it instead?

M8, i am not muslim and was raised a catholic in a catholic land, in europe. But extremists like you made me gain sympathy for muslims. I rly pitty them. If i was one and daily had to listen shit as you say, i would beg Alah to give me the patience, cause you are denigrating, and... a bigot.

Do something useful and go clean some streets, real trash.

May Allah have mercy on you. And Buddha forgive you for using his avatar.

/ignore from now on. You're just another propaganda answering machine, spreading hate. And you totally even failed in it.
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[eternal_spirit]

I have
So have I. Time to educate the ignorant.


Read all of it when you get the chance, then you will know what's what.

What caused the Christian Crusades?

Centuries of Islamic invasions

On this basis Islam started the centuries long war.

c. Dar al-Islam and dar al-harb: the House of Islam and the House of War
The violent injunctions of the Quran and the violent precedents set by Muhammad set the tone for the Islamic view of politics and of world history. Islamic scholarship divides the world into two spheres of influence, the House of Islam (dar al-Islam) and the House of War (dar al-harb). Islam means submission, and so the House of Islam includes those nations that have submitted to Islamic rule, which is to say those nations ruled by Sharia law. The rest of the world, which has not accepted Sharia law and so is not in a state of submission, exists in a state of rebellion or war with the will of Allah. It is incumbent on dar al-Islam to make war upon dar al-harb until such time that all nations submit to the will of Allah and accept Sharia law. Islam's message to the non-Muslim world is the same now as it was in the time of Muhammad and throughout history: submit or be conquered. The only times since Muhammad when dar al-Islam was not actively at war with dar al-harb were when the Muslim world was too weak or divided to make war effectively.
But the lulls in the ongoing war that the House of Islam has declared against the House of War do not indicate a forsaking of jihad as a principle but reflect a change in strategic factors. It is acceptable for Muslim nations to declare hudna, or truce, at times when the infidel nations are too powerful for open warfare to make sense. Jihad is not a collective suicide pact even while "killing and being killed" (Sura 9:111) is encouraged on an individual level. For the past few hundred years, the Muslim world has been too politically fragmented and technologically inferior to pose a major threat to the West. But that is changing.
i. Taqiyya -- Religious Deception
Due to the state of war between dar al-Islam and dar al-harb, reuses de guerre, i.e., systematic lying to the infidel, must be considered part and parcel of Islamic tactics. The parroting by Muslim organizations throughout dar al-harb that "Islam is a religion of peace," or that the origins of Muslim violence lie in the unbalanced psyches of particular individual "fanatics," must be considered as disinformation intended to induce the infidel world to let down its guard. Of course, individual Muslims may genuinely regard their religion as "peaceful" -- but only insofar as they are ignorant of its true teachings, or in the sense of the Egyptian theorist Sayyid Qutb, who posited in his Islam and Universal Peace that true peace would prevail in the world just as soon as Islam had conquered it.
A telling point is that, while Muslims who present their religion as peaceful abound throughout dar al-harb, they are nearly non-existent in dar al-Islam. A Muslim apostate once suggested to me a litmus test for Westerners who believe that Islam is a religion of "peace" and "tolerance": try making that point on a street corner in Ramallah, or Riyadh, or Islamabad, or anywhere in the Muslim world. He assured me you wouldn't live five minutes.{A} problem concerning law and order {with respect to Muslims in dar al-harb} arises from an ancient Islamic legal principle -- that of taqiyya, a word the root meaning of which is "to remain faithful" but which in effect means "dissimulation." It has full Quranic authority (3:28 and 16:106) and allows the Muslim to conform outwardly to the requirements of unislamic or non-Islamic government, while inwardly "remaining faithful" to whatever he conceives to be proper Islam, while waiting for the tide to turn. (Hiskett, Some to Mecca Turn to Pray, 101.) Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269; Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "War is deceit."
Historically, examples of taqiyya include permission to renounce Islam itself in order to save one's neck or ingratiate oneself with an enemy. It is not hard to see that the implications of taqiyya are insidious in the extreme: they essentially render negotiated settlement -- and, indeed, all veracious communication between dar al-Islam and dar al-harb -- impossible. It should not, however, be surprising that a party to a war should seek to mislead the other about its means and intentions. Jihad Watch's own Hugh Fitzgerald sums up taqiyya and kitman, a related form of deception."Taqiyya" is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi'a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi'a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is "kitman," which is defined as "mental reservation." An example of "Taqiyya" would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that "of course" there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur'anic verse -- "There shall be no compulsion in religion." {2:256} But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about "no compulsion in religion" has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, "compulsion in religion" for Muslims, and for non-Muslims. "Kitman" is close to "taqiyya," but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with "mental reservation" justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that "jihad" really means "a spiritual struggle," and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing "kitman." When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from "the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad" and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a "weak" hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing "kitman."
In times when the greater strength of dar al-harb necessitates that the jihad take an indirect approach, the natural attitude of a Muslim to the infidel world must be one of deception and omission. Revealing frankly the ultimate goal of dar al-Islam to conquer and plunder dar al-harb when the latter holds the military trump cards would be strategic idiocy. Fortunately for the jihadists, most infidels do not understand how one is to read the Quran, nor do they trouble themselves to find out what Muhammad actually did and taught, which makes it easy to give the impression through selective quotations and omissions that "Islam is a religion of peace." Any infidel who wants to believe such fiction will happily persist in his mistake having been cited a handful of Meccan verses and told that Muhammad was a man of great piety and charity. Digging only slightly deeper is sufficient to dispel the falsehood.
d. Jihad Through History
In 622 AD (year one in the Islamic calendar, AH 1), Muhammad abandoned Mecca for the city of Medina (Yathrib) some 200 farther north in the Arabian peninsula. In Medina, Muhammad established a paramilitary organization that would spread his influence and that of his religion throughout Arabia. Because there has never been a separation of the political-military and the religious in Islam, this development was entirely natural by Islamic principles. By the time of his death in 632 AD, Muhammad had extended his control in a series of raids and battles over most of southern Arabia. The conquered populations of these areas either had to submit to Muslim rule and pay a protection tax or convert to Islam.
i. The First Major Wave of Jihad: the Arabs, 622-750 AD
Near the end of his life, Muhammad sent letters to the great empires of the Middle East demanding their submission to his authority. This dispels any notion that the Prophet intended Islam's expansion to stop with Arabia. Indeed, it is only logical that the one true religion, revealed by the final and fullest prophet, should have universal sway. Thus, as Muhammad had fought and subdued the peoples of the Arabian peninsula, his successors Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali (known as "the four rightly-guided Caliphs") and other Caliphs fought and subdued the people of the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and Europe in the name of Allah.Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386; Narrated Jubair bin Haiya: Umar {the second Caliph} sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans. ? When we reached the land of the enemy, the representative of Khosrau {Persia} came out with forty-thousand warriors, and an interpreter got up saying, "Let one of you talk to me!" Al-Mughira replied, ? "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master."Unleashing upon the world the blitzkrieg of its day, Islam rapidly spread into the territories of Byzantium, Persia, and Western Europe in the decades after Muhammad's death. The creaking Byzantine and Persian powers, having battled each other into mutual decline, offered little resistance to this unanticipated onslaught. The Arab Muslim armies charged into the Holy Land, conquered what is now Iraq and Iran, then swept west across North Africa, into Spain, and finally into France. The Muslim offensive was finally halted in the West at the Battle of Poitiers/Tours, not far from Paris, in 732 AD. In the east, the jihad penetrated deep into Central Asia.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/Arab%20Wave.jpg As Muhammad had plundered his foes, so his successors also stripped the conquered areas -- incomparably richer both materially and culturally than the desolate sands of Arabia -- of their wealth and manpower. Almost overnight, the more advanced civilizations of the Middle East, North Africa, Persia, and Iberia saw their agriculture, native religions, and populations destroyed or plundered. Save for a handful of walled cities that managed to negotiate conditional surrenders, the catastrophes those lands suffered were very nearly complete.
Bat Ye'or, the leading scholar of Islam's expansion and its treatment of non-Muslims, has provided an inestimable service through the compilation and translation of numerous primary source documents describing centuries of Islamic conquest. She includes these documents in her works on Islamic history and the plight of non-Muslims under Islamic rule. In the history of jihad, the slaughter of civilians, the desecration of churches, and the plundering of the countryside are commonplace. Here is Michael the Syrian's account of the Muslim invasion of Cappodocia (southern Turkey) in 650 AD under Caliph Umar:... when Muawiya {the Muslim commander} arrived {in Euchaita in Armenia} he ordered all the inhabitants to be put to the sword; he placed guards so that no one escaped. After gathering up all the wealth of the town, they set to torturing the leaders to make them show them things [treasures] that had been hidden. The Taiyaye {Muslim Arabs} led everyone into slavery -- men and women, boys and girls -- and they committed much debauchery in that unfortunate town: they wickedly committed immoralities inside churches. They returned to their country rejoicing. (Michael the Syrian, quoted in Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam, 276-7.)The following description by the Muslim historian, Ibn al-Athir (1160-1233 AD), of razzias (raiding expeditions) in Northern Spain and France in the eighth and ninth centuries AD, conveys nothing but satisfaction at the extent of the destruction wrought upon the infidels, including noncombatants.In 177 <17 April 793>, Hisham, prince of Spain, sent a large army commanded by Abd al-Malik b. Abd al-Wahid b. Mugith into enemy territory, and which made forays as far as Narbonne and Jaranda . This general first attacked Jaranda where there was an elite Frank garrison; he killed the bravest, destroyed the walls and towers of the town and almost managed to seize it. He then marched on to Narbonne, where he repeated the same actions, then, pushing forward, he trampled underfoot the land of the Cerdagne {near Andorra in the Pyrenees}. For several months he traversed this land in every direction, raping women, killing warriors, destroying fortresses, burning and pillaging everything, driving back the enemy who fled in disorder. He returned safe and sound, dragging behind him God alone knows how much booty. This is one of the most famous expeditions of the Muslims in Spain. In 223 <2 December 837>, Abd ar-Rahman b. al Hakam, sovereign of Spain, sent an army against Alava; it encamped near Hisn al-Gharat, which it besieged; it seized the booty that was found there, killed the inhabitants and withdrew, carrying off women and children as captives. In 231 <6 September 845>, a Muslim army advanced into Galicia on the territory of the infidels, where it pillaged and massacred everyone. In 246 <27 March 860>, Muhammad b. Abd ar-Rahman advanced with many troops and a large military apparatus against the region of Pamplona. He reduced, ruined and ravaged this territory, where he pillaged and sowed death. (Ibn al-Athir, Annals, quoted in Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam, 281-2.)This first wave of jihad engulfed much of the Byzantine, Visigothic, Frankish, and Persian Empires and left the newborn Islamic Empire controlling territory from Southern France, south through Spain, east across North Africa to India, and north to Russia. Early in the second millennium AD, the Mongol invasion from the east greatly weakened the Islamic Empire and ended Arab predominance therein.
ii. The Second Major Wave of Jihad: the Turks, 1071-1683 AD
Some twenty-five years before the first Crusading army set out from central Europe for the Holy Land, the Turkish (Ottoman) armies began an assault on the Christian Byzantine Empire, which had ruled what is now Turkey since the Roman Empire's capital was moved to Constantinople in 325 AD. At the battle of Manzikert, in 1071, the Christian forces suffered a disastrous defeat, which left much of Anatolia (Turkey) open to invasion. This second wave of jihad was temporarily held up by the invading Latin Armies during the Crusades (see Islam 101 FAQs), but, by the beginning of the 14th century, the Turks were threatening Constantinople and Europe itself.




In the West, Roman Catholic armies were bit by bit forcing Muslim forces down the Iberian peninsula, until, in 1492, they were definitively expelled (the Reconquista). In Eastern Europe, however, Islam continued in the ascendant. One of the most significant engagements between the invading Muslims and the indigenous peoples of the region was the Battle of Kosovo in 1389, where the Turks annihilated a multinational army under the Serbian King, St. Lazar, though their progress into Europe was significantly slowed.



After numerous attempts dating back to the seventh century, Constantinople, the jewel of Eastern Christendom, finally fell in 1453 to the armies of Sultan Mahomet II. Lest one ascribe the atrocities of the first wave of jihad to the "Arabness" of its perpetrators, the Turks showed they were fully capable of living up to the principles of the Quran and the Sunnah. Paul Fregosi in his book Jihad describes the scene following the final assault on Constantinople:Several thousand of the survivors had taken refuge in the cathedral: nobles, servants, ordinary citizens, their wives and children, priests and nuns. They locked the huge doors, prayed, and waited. {Caliph} Mahomet {II} had given the troops free quarter. They raped, of course, the nuns being the first victims, and slaughtered. At least four thousand were killed before Mahomet stopped the massacre at noon. He ordered a muezzin {one who issues the call to prayer} to climb into the pulpit of St. Sophia and dedicate the building to Allah. It has remained a mosque ever since. Fifty thousand of the inhabitants, more than half the population, were rounded up and taken away as slaves. For months afterward, slaves were the cheapest commodity in the markets of Turkey. Mahomet asked that the body of the dead emperor be brought to him. Some Turkish soldiers found it in a pile of corpses and recognized Constantine {XI} by the golden eagles embroidered on his boots. The sultan ordered his head to be cut off and placed between the horse's legs under the equestrian bronze statue of the emperor Justinian. The head was later embalmed and sent around the chief cities of the Ottoman empire for the delectation of the citizens. Next, Mahomet ordered the Grand Duke Notaras, who had survived, be brought before him, asked him for the names and addresses of all the leading nobles, officials, and citizens, which Notaras gave him. He had them all arrested and decapitated. He sadistically bought from their owners {i.e., Muslim commanders} high-ranking prisoners who had been enslaved, for the pleasure of having them beheaded in front of him. (Fregosi, Jihad, 256-7.)http://www.jihadwatch.org/Turkish%20Wave.jpg This second, Turkish wave of jihad reached its farthest extent at the failed sieges of Vienna in 1529 and 1683, where in the latter instance the Muslim army under Kara Mustapha was thrown back by the Roman Catholics under the command of the Polish King, John Sobieski. In the decades that followed, the Ottomans were driven back down through the Balkans, though they were never ejected from the European continent entirely. Still, even while the imperial jihad faltered, Muslim land- and sea-borne razzias into Christian territory continued, and Christians were being abducted into slavery from as far away as Ireland into the 19th century.
e. Dhimmitude
Islam's persecution of non-Muslims is in no way limited to jihad, even though that is the basic relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world. After the jihad concludes in a given area with the conquest of infidel territory, the dhimma, or treaty of protection, may be granted to the conquered "People of the Book" -- historically, Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians. The dhimma provides that the life and property of the infidel are exempted from jihad for as long as the Muslim rulers permit, which has generally meant for as long as the subject non-Muslims -- the dhimmi -- prove economically useful to the Islamic state. The Quran spells out the payment of the jizya (poll- or head-tax; Sura 9:29), which is the most conspicuous means by which the Muslim overlords exploit the dhimmi. But the jizya is not merely economic in its function; it exists also to humiliate the dhimmi and impress on him the superiority of Islam. Al-Maghili, a fifteenth century Muslim theologian, explains:On the day of payment {of the jizya} they {the dhimmi} shall be assembled in a public place like the suq {place of commerce}. They should be standing there waiting in the lowest and dirtiest place. The acting officials representing the Law shall be placed above them and shall adopt a threatening attitude so that it seems to them, as well as to others, that our object is to degrade them by pretending to take their possessions. They will realize that we are doing them a favor in accepting from them the jizya and letting them go free. (Al-Maghili, quoted in Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam, 361.)Islamic law codifies various other restrictions on the dhimmi, all of which derive from the Quran and the Sunnah. Several hundred years of Islamic thought on the right treatment of dhimmi peoples is summed up by Al-Damanhuri, a seventeenth century head of Al-Azhar University in Cairo, the most prestigious center for learning in the Muslim world:... just as the dhimmis are prohibited from building churches, other things also are prohibited to them. They must not assist an unbeliever against a Muslim ... raise the cross in an Islamic assemblage ... display banners on their own holidays; bear arms ... or keep them in their homes. Should they do anything of the sort, they must be punished, and the arms seized. ... The Companions [of the Prophet] agreed upon these points in order to demonstrate the abasement of the infidel and to protect the weak believer's faith. For if he sees them humbled, he will not be inclined toward their belief, which is not true if he sees them in power, pride, or luxury garb, as all this urges him to esteem them and incline toward them, in view of his own distress and poverty. Yet esteem for the unbeliever is unbelief. (Al-Damanhuri, quoted in Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam, 382.)The Christian, Jewish, and Zoroastrian peoples of the Middle East, North Africa, and much of Europe suffered under the oppressive strictures of the dhimma for centuries. The status of these dhimmi peoples is comparable in many ways to that of former slaves in the post-bellum American South. Forbidden to construct houses of worship or repair extant ones, economically crippled by the jizya, socially humiliated, legally discriminated against, and generally kept in a permanent state of weakness and vulnerability by the Muslim overlords, it should not be surprising that their numbers dwindled, in many places to the point of extinction. The generally misunderstood decline of Islamic civilization over the past several centuries is easily explained by the demographic decline of the dhimmi populations, which had provided the principle engines of technical and administrative competence.
Should the dhimmi violate the conditions of the dhimma -- perhaps through practicing his own religion indiscreetly or failing to show adequate deference to a Muslim -- then the jihad resumes. At various times in Islamic history, dhimmi peoples rose above their subjected status, and this was often the occasion for violent reprisals by Muslim populations who believed them to have violated the terms of the dhimma. Medieval Andalusia (Moorish Spain) is often pointed out by Muslim apologists as a kind of multicultural wonderland, in which Jews and Christians were permitted by the Islamic government to rise through the ranks of learning and government administration. What we are not told, however, is that this relaxation of the disabilities resulted in widespread rioting on the part of the Muslim populace that killed hundreds of dhimmis, mainly Jews. By refusing to convert to Islam and straying from the traditional constraints of the dhimma (even at the behest of the Islamic government, which was in need of capable manpower), the dhimmi had implicitly chosen the only other option permitted by the Quran: death.
f. Jihad in the Modern Era
Following its defeat at the walls of Vienna in 1683, Islam entered a period of strategic decline in which it was increasingly dominated by the rising European colonial powers. Due to its material weakness vis-à-vis the West, dar al-Islam was unable to prosecute large-scale military campaigns into infidel territory. The Islamic Empire, then ruled by the Ottoman Turks, was reduced to fending of the increasingly predatory European powers.
In 1856, Western pressure compelled the Ottoman government to suspend the dhimma under which the Empire's non-Muslim subjects labored. This provided hitherto unknown opportunities for social and personal improvement by the former dhimmis, but it also fomented resentment by orthodox Muslims who saw this as a violation of the Sharia and their Allah-given superiority over unbelievers.
By the late 19th century, tensions among the European subjects of the Empire broke out into the open when the Ottoman government massacred 30,000 Bulgarians in 1876 for allegedly rebelling against Ottoman rule. Following Western intervention that resulted in Bulgarian independence, the Ottoman government and its Muslim subjects were increasingly nervous about other non-Muslim groups seeking independence.
It was in this atmosphere that the first stage of the Armenian genocide took place in 1896 with the slaughter of some 250,000 Armenians. Both civilians and military personnel took place in the massacres. Peter Balakian, in his book, The Burning Tigris, documents the whole horrific story. But the massacres of the 1890s were only the prelude to the much larger holocaust of 1915, which claimed some 1.5 million lives. While various factors contributed to the slaughter, there is no mistaking that the massacres were nothing other than a jihad waged against the Armenians, no longer protected as they were by the dhimma. In 1914, as the Ottoman Empire entered World War I on the side of the central powers, an official anti-Christian jihad was proclaimed.To promote the idea of jihad, the sheikh-ul-Islam's {the most senior religious leader in the Ottoman Empire} published proclamation summoned the Muslim world to arise and massacre its Christian oppressors. "Oh Moslems," the document read, "Ye who are smitten with happiness and are on the verge of sacrificing your life and your good for the cause of right, and of braving perils, gather now around the Imperial throne." In the Ikdam, the Turkish newspaper that had just passed into German ownership, the idea of jihad was underscored: "The deeds of our enemies have brought down the wrath of God. A gleam of hope has appeared. All Mohammedans, young and old, men, women, and children must fulfill their duty. ... If we do it, the deliverance of the subjected Mohammedan kingdoms is assured." ... "He who kills even one unbeliever," one pamphlet read, "of those who rule over us, whether he does it secretly or openly, shall be rewarded by God." (quoted in Balakian, The Burning Tigris, 169-70.)The anti-Christian jihad culminated in 1922 at Smyrna, on the Mediterranean coast, where 150,000 Greek Christians were massacred by the Turkish army under the indifferent eye of Allied warships. All in, from 1896-1923, some 2.5 million Christians were killed, the first modern genocide, which to this day is denied by the Turkish government.
Since the breakup of the Islamic Empire following World War I, various jihads have been fought around the globe by the independent Muslim nations and sub-state jihadist groups. The most sustained effort has been directed against Israel, which has committed the unpardonable sin of rebuilding dar al-harb on land formerly a part of dar al-Islam. Other prominent jihads include that fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan, the Muslim Bosnians against the Serbs in the former Yugoslavia, the Muslim Albanians against the Serbs in Kosovo, and the Chechens against the Russians in the Caucasus. Jihads have also been waged throughout northern Africa, the Philippines, Thailand, Kashmir, and a host of other places throughout the world.
The fact is, the percentage of conflicts in the world today that do not include Islam is pretty small. Islam is making a comeback.




http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html

[dragon fang]

On that account: We ordained For the Children of Israel That if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. The although there came To them Our Messengers With clear Sings, yet, Even after that, many Of them continued to commit Excess in the land. ( Quran 5:32)"

"Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. ( Quran, 25:68-69)"

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. ( Quran, 2:190)"

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. ( Quran, 49:13)"

"They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' ( Quran, 76:7-9)"

After Mohammad (pbuh) forgave the pagans Arab tribes after years of being attacked, tortured, oppressed, and sanctioned by them.
Then the Prophet (pbuh) sent letters to the surrounding powers inviting them to Islam and the permission to call to the path of the Almighty just like Moses did to Pharaoh.
The Christian Byzantine king murdered the messenger whom the Prophet (pbuh) sent and then sent his headless body back to the Prophet (pbuh) and annouced war on the Islam.
The Persian Emperor became outraged and cursed the letter-bearer and told him that if it wasn't against international practice he would have him mutilated, Instead he cussed the Muslim letter-bearer and claimed that the Arabs are merely slaves to the Persians and that He will send an army to have the Prophet seized, humiliated and imprisoned.
The Egyptian Christian king sent a respectful no but thank you message, And sent some gifts.
The Ethiopian (Abyssinian) king voiced his will to embrace Islam after he studied it, yet secretly because he feared what the church might do to him.

You must understand that back then the world was made up of empires and nomad lands;No borders and no free democracies, The world was in a perpetual state of war, Romans and Persians wanted to conquer the world, They would start war for the stupidest reason.
So if the leader shows hostility to a group then I guarantee that you can expect all kinds of trouble from them.

So because of that the Prophet immediately sent armies to the closest and most clear threat which was the Byzantines who showed no respect, After the death of the Prophet (1 year after that), His successor in authority over the Islamic state and not in Prophet-hood, started sending armies to wage an all out war on both hostile powers in Persia and Byzantium who obviously will not allow a peaceful mission of spreading Islam in their lands.

The Muslim warriors were way outnumbered and out-equipped toppled the Persian empire and Byzantine (half of the roman empire) in less than 50 years with the help of Allah.

What do you expect? Stay on their homes and wait for them to kill anyone who reject being a muslim?

They didn’t force religion on anyone; They would make a contract of a tax in return for freedom of like, religion and worshiping places, and trade, Work, Money in the Muslim lands for all non-Muslim believers in God, The Islamic countries were the only one that would offer such respect and freedom to people from other cultures and religion, And because of that many came to Islamic lands.
It was the morals, uprightness, and justice of Islam and its law that attracted most of these people to become Muslim, It is the opposite of what you thought, Some people from other cultures became Muslims after they saw the honesty and justice of Muslim traders coming into their land.

In the Muslim world you can find beautiful ancient churches and temples some of them are traced back to before the Muslim rule, Alot of them in Jerusalem, Bethleham, and Nazereth, There are 30 million orthodox/catholic Arabs across the Middle East today whose roots go back also before the Muslim domination of these lands this is roughly 10% of the Arab world, Why didn't they kill those Arab infidels?
And there was never a war fought by the Muslims anywhere near Indonesia.
Indonesia is the most densely populated Muslim country of close to 200 million Muslims whose ancestors learned of Islam through traders and merchants from the Islamic world, Because they actually listen and respect.

“History makes it clear however, legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam a the point of a sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.” (by: De lacy O’Leary “Islam at the crossroads” pg.8)

“The more important factor for the spread of Islam is its (just) religious law (shariah) which was designed to cover all manifestations of life” (Franz Rosenthal, “Political thought in Medieval Islam” pg. 21 Cambridge Press)

The Europeans were no different than the Persian and the Byzantines, They wanted war and to destroy Islam.

[pert]

On that account: We ordained For the Children of Israel That if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. The although there came To them Our Messengers With clear Sings, yet, Even after that, many Of them continued to commit Excess in the land. ( Quran 5:32)"

"Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. ( Quran, 25:68-69)"

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. ( Quran, 2:190)"

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. ( Quran, 49:13)"

"They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' ( Quran, 76:7-9)"

After Mohammad (pbuh) forgave the pagans Arab tribes after years of being attacked, tortured, oppressed, and sanctioned by them.
Then the Prophet (pbuh) sent letters to the surrounding powers inviting them to Islam and the permission to call to the path of the Almighty just like Moses did to Pharaoh.
The Christian Byzantine king murdered the messenger whom the Prophet (pbuh) sent and then sent his headless body back to the Prophet (pbuh) and annouced war on the Islam.
The Persian Emperor became outraged and cursed the letter-bearer and told him that if it wasn't against international practice he would have him mutilated, Instead he cussed the Muslim letter-bearer and claimed that the Arabs are merely slaves to the Persians and that He will send an army to have the Prophet seized, humiliated and imprisoned.
The Egyptian Christian king sent a respectful no but thank you message, And sent some gifts.
The Ethiopian (Abyssinian) king voiced his will to embrace Islam after he studied it, yet secretly because he feared what the church might do to him.

You must understand that back then the world was made up of empires and nomad lands;No borders and no free democracies, The world was in a perpetual state of war, Romans and Persians wanted to conquer the world, They would start war for the stupidest reason.
So if the leader shows hostility to a group then I guarantee that you can expect all kinds of trouble from them.

So because of that the Prophet immediately sent armies to the closest and most clear threat which was the Byzantines who showed no respect, After the death of the Prophet (1 year after that), His successor in authority over the Islamic state and not in Prophet-hood, started sending armies to wage an all out war on both hostile powers in Persia and Byzantium who obviously will not allow a peaceful mission of spreading Islam in their lands.

The Muslim warriors were way outnumbered and out-equipped toppled the Persian empire and Byzantine (half of the roman empire) in less than 50 years with the help of Allah.

What do you expect? Stay on their homes and wait for them to kill anyone who reject being a muslim?

They didn’t force religion on anyone; They would make a contract of a tax in return for freedom of like, religion and worshiping places, and trade, Work, Money in the Muslim lands for all non-Muslim believers in God, The Islamic countries were the only one that would offer such respect and freedom to people from other cultures and religion, And because of that many came to Islamic lands.
It was the morals, uprightness, and justice of Islam and its law that attracted most of these people to become Muslim, It is the opposite of what you thought, Some people from other cultures became Muslims after they saw the honesty and justice of Muslim traders coming into their land.

In the Muslim world you can find beautiful ancient churches and temples some of them are traced back to before the Muslim rule, Alot of them in Jerusalem, Bethleham, and Nazereth, There are 30 million orthodox/catholic Arabs across the Middle East today whose roots go back also before the Muslim domination of these lands this is roughly 10% of the Arab world, Why didn't they kill those Arab infidels?
And there was never a war fought by the Muslims anywhere near Indonesia.
Indonesia is the most densely populated Muslim country of close to 200 million Muslims whose ancestors learned of Islam through traders and merchants from the Islamic world, Because they actually listen and respect.

“History makes it clear however, legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam a the point of a sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.” (by: De lacy O’Leary “Islam at the crossroads” pg.8)

“The more important factor for the spread of Islam is its (just) religious law (shariah) which was designed to cover all manifestations of life” (Franz Rosenthal, “Political thought in Medieval Islam” pg. 21 Cambridge Press)

The Europeans were no different than the Persian and the Byzantines, They wanted war and to destroy Islam.

You've already posted this

[dragon fang]

You've already posted this

Count the times he copy pasted that article where they try to make everything look as evil as possible.

And why don't you take the chance and comment on that.

[pert]

But you've posted the same thing twice on one thread

[dragon fang]

But you've posted the same thing twice on one thread

And you've managed to ignore the same thing twice.

[pert]

And you've managed to ignore the same thing twice.

No I didn't, I replied in thread #6

[dragon fang]

No I didn't, I replied in thread #6

Reply to the whole thing or don't reply.
And I replied to your uncompleted reply and you didn't reply to my reply.

[pert]

Reply to the whole thing or don't reply.
And I replied to your uncompleted reply and you didn't reply to my reply.

you're starting to sound like some sort of demented child

[dragon fang]

you're starting to sound like some sort of demented child

I knew you weren't that smart to understand what I wrote.

Tranlsation:
Respond to the post.

[pert]

Reply to the whole thing or don't reply.
And I replied to your uncompleted reply and you didn't reply to my reply.

why do i have to reply to the whole thing, is tha a new rule you've just invenvented?

[dragon fang]

why do i have to reply to the whole thing, is tha a new rule you've just invenvented?

O'Yeah, That is a rule that I invented.
The whole thing's connected, If you take a part then you take the whole thing because you are proving that there is nothing you can counter that with and that you agree with him.

[turquoisefire777]

Thousands of Muslims Convert to Christianity in Iraq!!!

Thousands of Muslims Convert to Christianity in Iraq!!! - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAT9KChzdtA&playnext_from=TL&videos=2gpgB0KnZ2Q&feature=grec

[decode reality]

Thousands of Muslims Convert to Christianity in Iraq!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAT9KChzdtA&playnext_from=TL&videos=2gpgB0KnZ2Q&feature=grec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAT9KChzdtA&playnext_from=TL&videos=2gpgB0KnZ2Q&feature=grec

That was interesting, yet more food for thought!

[turquoisefire777]

That was interesting, yet more food for thought!

yeh.

[ben87]

Muhammed (pbuh) was a champion, nothing you say here on the internet can compare to the truth and knowledge he gave us.

You are just pissed off that the god allowed monotheism to be ressurected in the form of islam.

You are just pissed off because jesus has been proven to be the opposite of what the bible says he is, and the quran tells us this.

You are weak feeble minded in communion with the corrupter.

[ben87]

Buddha would piss on your grave picha.

You will be reincarnated as poo bacteria.

[ben87]

All you are doing is trying to create hate and violence picha you are the opposite of a bhuddist.

You are so afraid of revealing what religion you believe in, so you hide behind a veil just like the harlot.

You enjoy the war and all the casualties dont you picha? You revel in the spilled blood thirsty for more, all you care about is destroying another.

[ben87]

"I have recently received large numbers of photographs of horrendous birth deformities that are being experienced in Iraq. I have not, quite frankly, ever seen anything like them. I urge you to copy this page / these pictures and circulate them as widely as possible.

In an act of stark cruelty, the US dominated Sanctions Committee refuses to permit Iraq to import the clean-up equipment that they desperately need to decontaminate their country of the Depleted Uranium ammunition that the US fired at them. Approximately 315 tons of DU dust was left by the use of this ammunition.The Sanctions Committee also refuses to allow the mass importation of anti-cancer treatments, which contain trace amounts of radio-isotopes, on the grounds that these constitute '...nuclear materials..'

The majority of the pictures were supplied to me by a source who prefers to remain anonymous at the current time. I was unable to acquire either original negatives, or prints from negatives. They arrived in the form of colour A4 copies. I scanned them into Photoshop and attempted to clean and sharpen them as best I could. There has not, and I repeat not, been any digital alteration other than the cleaning and sharpening process. No text documentation arrived with the pictures, so I have described them as accurately as I can. It is my understanding that the photographs were taken from 1998 onwards. I would be grateful to anyone who could potentially supply me with further information about these types of deformities; medical terms for them, etc.

Additional pictures were taken by Dr. Siegwart Horst-Gunther, President of the International Yellow Cross. Most appeared in his 1996 book "URANIUM PROJECTILES - SEVERELY MAIMED SOLDIERS, DEFORMED BABIES, DYING CHILDREN" (Published by AHRIMAN - Verlag, ISBN: 3-89484-805-7). The book is a documentary record of DU ammunition after-effects, and they were taken between 1993 and 1995. Dr. Gunther also supplied me with additional photographs from his unpublished collection, some of which feature the birth deformities being experienced by Western Gulf war veterans' children. I have asked Dr. Gunther's permission for his pictures to be treated as 'Public Domain' and copyright free. He has agreed and you may reproduce them as you see fit.

Both the Pentagon and the British Ministry of Defence officially deny that there is any significant danger from exposure to DU ammunition. And whilst it is conceivable that the US led attacks on Iraq's nuclear power stations could be a contributory factor, most reseachers point to DU as the most likely source of both deformities and cancers. The rising number of cases in Iraq, particularly in the South where the greatest concentration of DU was fired, is simply staggering. Iraqi physicians have never encountered anything like it, and have made the perfectly reasonable point that similar increases in cancer and deformities were experienced in Japan after the two US atomic bomb attacks. Cancer has increased between 7 and 10 fold; deformities between 4 and 6 fold.

Yet the US was well aware of the potential effects on civilians and military personnel of the chemical toxicity and radiological properties of DU ammunition long before the Gulf war began, as the following excerpts of a US Army document categorically state:

"Aerosol DU (Depleted Uranium) exposures to soldiers on the battlefield could be significant with potential radiological and toxicological effects. [...] Under combat conditions, the most exposed individuals are probably ground troops that re-enter a battlefield following the exchange of armour-piercing munitions. [...] We are simply highlighting the potential for levels of DU exposure to military personnel during combat that would be unacceptable during peacetime operations. [...DU is..]... a low level alpha radiation emitter which is linked to cancer when exposures are internal, [and] chemical toxicity causing kidney damage. [...] Short term effects of high doses can result in death, while long term effects of low doses have been linked to cancer. [...] Our conclusion regarding the health and environmental acceptability of DU penetrators assume both controlled use and the presence of excellent health physics management practices. Combat conditions will lead to the uncontrolled release of DU. [...] The conditions of the battlefield, and the long term health risks to natives and combat veterans may become issues in the acceptability of the continued use of DU kinetic penetrators for military applications."

- Excerpts from the July 1990 Science and Applications International Corporation report: ' Kinetic Energy Penetrator Environment and Health Considerations', as included in Appenix D - US Army Armaments, Munitions and Chemical Command report: 'Kinetic Energy Penetrator Long Term Strategy Study, July 1990'

The US was also well aware of the long-term dangers of DU contamination, and played it down, as the following memo and document make clear:

"There has been and continues to be a concern regarding the impact of DU on the environment. Therefore, if no-one makes a case for the effectiveness of DU on the battlefield, DU rounds may become politically unacceptable and thus be deleted from the arsenal. I believe we should keep this sensitive issue in mind when action reports are written."

- Lt. Col. M.V. Ziehmn, Los Alamos National Laboratory memorandum, March 1st 1991

"Soldiers may be incidentally exposed to DU from dust and smoke on the battlefield. The Army Surgeon General has determined that it is unlikely that these soldiers will receive a significant internal DU exposure. Medical follow-up is not warranted for soldiers who experience incidental exposure from dust or smoke. [...] Since DU weapons are openly available on the world arms market, DU weapons will be used in future conflicts. The number of DU patients on future battlefields probably will be significantly higher because other countries will use systems containing DU. [...] DU is a low-level radioactive waste, and, therefore, must be disposed of in a licensed repository. [...] No international law, treaty, regulation, or custom requires the United States to remediate the Persian Gulf war battlefields."

- Report by the US Army Environmental Policy Institute: 'Health and Consequences of Depleted Uranium use in the US army', June 1995

DU ammunition is now possessed by more than 12 countries, and was used during the NATO led bombing of the former Yugoslavia. Western forces stationed in the region have recently been advised not to drink the local water or eat locally produced food. Yet the British MoD continues to deny any potential risks, stating: "We have not seen any peer-reviewed epidemiological research data to support these claims [that DU is dangerous.] [...] There are no plans to remove DU-based ammunition from service." (Source: Two letters to me from Simon Wren, Overseas Secretariat, Ministry of Defence, Whitehall, London - 20th May 1999, and 22nd March 2000)

On a more personal level, I have heard stories of visitors to Iraq who spoke with mid-wives there. These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."

The pictures below, which are extremely disturbing, show exactly what does.

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Child with almost total deformity of the face; no recognisable features at all, and what appears to be one eye situated in the middle of the forehead.
Child with hydrocephalus.


Extreme hydrocephalus; deformity of face, body and ear. The line running down the right hand side of the head would appear to show that potentially two heads were forming.


Deformity of ear; possible deformation of lower body.


Born without eyes.
The fish-like translucent quality of the skin is possibly a result of flash photography at close range otherwise this syndrome is called Collodian Membrane Ichthyosis.



Huge hole in child's back, which is, I believe, an extreme form of Spina Bifida.


Possibly taken shortly after birth, this picture appears to show ambiguous genitalia, sometimes referred to as 'Non-Viable Children'.


This child is completely covered in a white susbstance. Obvious deformation of face and eyes. Flash photography at close range obscures detail.
info:
http://www.scalyskin.org



Two children with similar deformities of the face.
Dr. Gunther refers to this condition as 'Zyklopie.'



Child with white substance covering almost the whole body: "the Harlequin Infant" or called "congenital ichthyosiform erythroderma".
info:
http://www.scalyskin.org



Front view of same child. Severe deformities of mouth and eyes. The welts appear to indicate open wounds, or unformed skin tissue.


Severe body deformity, with head formed at 90 degree angle to upper torso.


Severe hydrocephalus; again, almost as though two heads were being formed.


Flash at close range obscures detail, but this appears to show malformation of the mouth and one eye missing, with the eye socket deformed.


It isn't clear what has happened to this child, and I have no explanation for the dark nature and condition of the skin.


Lack of focus obscures detail, but missing eyes are clearly visible, as is deformity of the mouth.


This picture would appear to show another 'Non Viable' child, possible male, with penis and scrotum merged.


Horrendous deformity of entire body and head. Note lack of eyes and malformation of the hands and feet.


Child with unknown deformity of the mouth, possibly a large tumour grown during foetal stage.


Malformation of hands, with almost total merging of all digits.


Severe malformation of face.
Dr. Gunther refers to this condition as 'Zyklopie.'



Severe deformity of arms.
This child was born to a US Gulf veteran.



Iraqi child with extreme hydrocephalus, and defects of cerebral nerves.


Child with previously unknown renal disease, first diagnosed in Iraq by Dr. Gunther. The speculation is that the child had played with DU ammunition casings.
Iraqi child with extreme hydrocephalus, and defects of cerebral nerves.
HOMEPAGE

[ben87]

"Iraq's Ministry for Human Rights will file a lawsuit against Britain and the US over their use of depleted uranium bombs in Iraq, an Iraqi minister says.

Iraq's Minister of Human Rights, Wijdan Mikhail Salim, told Assabah newspaper that the lawsuit will be launched based on reports from the Iraqi ministries of science and the environment.

According to the reports, during the first year of the US and British invasion of Iraq, both countries had repeatedly used bombs containing depleted uranium.

According to Iraqi military experts, the US and Britain bombed the country with nearly 2,000 tons of depleted uranium bombs during the early years of the Iraq war.

Atomic radiation has increased the number of babies born with defects in the southern provinces of Iraq.

Iraqi doctors say they' have been struggling to cope with the rise in the number of cancer cases —especially in cities subjected to heavy U-S and British bombardment.

The high rate of birth defects and cancer cases will move in the coming years to the central and northern provinces of Iraq since the radiation may penetrate the soil and water by air.

The ministry will seek compensation for the victims of these bombs. "

[ben87]

You are the terrorist you fucker!!!

A whole army responsible for this, not a handful "19 or 12" people, the whole fucking country is responsible, not one lone gunman all of us.

[dragon fang]

I wish if you actually use your brain rather than believing and copy pasting everything.
Your copy paste proves that you have no knowledge about Islam.


First lets go with basic things and educate you a little about Islam:

General meaning of Islam:
Islam means:
Islam is a religion from god that is created from two elements that can't be separated, Moral and emotional - and - physical and sensed that get mixed togather to create a perfect human life style system to spread peace, Decent life and prosperity to all fields of life.

"Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not." ( Quran 2:30)"

"O David! We did indeed make thee a vicegerent on earth: so judge thou between men in truth (and justice): Nor follow thou the lusts (of thy heart), for they will mislead thee from the Path of God: for those who wander astray from the Path of God, is a Penalty Grievous, for that they forget the Day of Account." ( Quran 38:26)

First Element:
You must have absolute believe of Allah and that there is no god other than him with all his attributes and that he dosen't have the attributes of humans or jinn, And you must believe in all the prophets that Allah sent with the holy books and acknowledge that Mohammad (PBUH) is the final prophet

Second Element:
And the second primary element is the Physical and Sensed element which put laws for people for all their social life.
Islam was created to give path to god and give physical happiness and happiness to your soul and to mix soul with matter to create the order we want in life, So you must feel his humanity physicly and be sided with god by soul which is a secret to god no one even prophets except him:
"And they ask you about the soul. Say: The soul is one of the commands of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little. ( Quran 17:85)"

Islam have one goal, To give happiness to all humanity on earth and worship the god that created us and who have unlimited power:
"(He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things). ( Quan 42:11)"

The meaning of Islam:
It is the religion sent by god meant to guide humanity to his path through messengers (PBUT) and the last is Mohammad (PBUH) to create world peace physically and spiritually to all the creations of earth.
"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than God; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, God is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. ( ََََQuran 5:3)"

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to God), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). ( ََQuran 3:85)"

Islam gave everyone their rights and gave right law
If you read about the life story of Mohammad (PBUH) rather than going to site where they put false information and mimic things you will see how great he was like those saw: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113650
"Thus, We have made you a balanced (and upright) nation; so you may be the witness over mankind, and the messenger would be the witness over you. We had designated your previous ‘Qibla’ _ (the prayer direction) _ as a test: so as to distinguish those of you who follow the messenger, apart from those who turn back on their heels. It was (a choice) difficult (and daunting), except for those whom Allah guided. Allah is not the One to let your faith go to waste. Allah is certainly full of kindness and mercy for mankind.( Quran 2:143)"
Allah protected Islam from being changed as it the Quran and hadith is memorized in the hearts of many muslims.
We believe in all the prophets, Their religions were correct until they corrupted it:
"The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than God, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). ( Quran 42:13)"

"The Religion before God is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of God, God is swift in calling to account. ( Quran 3:19)"

"The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." َ( Quran 2:285)"

All prophets call for Allah and worship him:

Like Noah:
"For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to Whom (belong) all things: and I am commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to God's Will,- ( Quran 27:91)"

Like Ibrahim and Ismael:
"And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing. ( Quran 2:127)"
""Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. ( Quran 2:128)"

"Behold! his Lord said to him: "Bow (thy will to Me):" He said: "I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe." ( Quran 2:131)"

"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! God hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam." ( Quran 2:132)"

In with Moses:

"They said: "For us, We are but sent back unto our Lord: ( Quran 7:125)"
""But thou dost wreak thy vengeance on us simply because we believed in the Signs of our Lord when they reached us! Our Lord! pour out on us patience and constancy, and take our souls unto thee as Muslims (who bow to thy will)! ( Quran 7:126)"

And wish Solomon:
"(The queen) said: "Ye chiefs! here is delivered to me - a letter worthy of respect. ( Quran 27:29)"
"It is from Solomon, and is (as follows): 'In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful: ( Quran 27:30)"
And there are many other examples.

War and Peace in Islam:
War: War means getting out of peace and safety for self - body - money and any other living creature, And war include attacking without rights by killing or any thing that bring negativity to the other physically and mentally for good or bad intentions.
War in Islam is a must to protect peace and shelter it.
It is wrong to blame the war on the muslims because they didn't start it, They wanted to destroy it so they had to fight them to stop their assault.

"The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves. ( Quran 2:194)"

War in Islam is only to protect.

"Oh you who believe! Submit to peace, the religion of Islam, fully (unreservedly) and unconditionally. Do not follow in the footsteps of Shaitan. Indeed, he is the (professed and) manifest enemy of yours. ( Quran 2:208)"

"Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then God Hath opened no way for you (to war against them). ( Quran 4:90)"

"Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them. ( Quran 4:91)"

"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). ( Quran 8:61)"

When Quran tells us to kill it tells us to not be afraid to fight them if the cause is protecting.

"Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." ( Quran 25:68)

"But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." ( Quran 2:182)

"And make not God's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for God is One Who heareth and knoweth all things." ( Quran 2:224)

"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)." ( Quran 8:61)

"Let there be no compulsion (forcing others) in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. ( Quran, 2:256)"

[dragon fang]

One of the definition for the word Islam is peace and peace is one of the names of Allah.
Peace also means saftey and Islam dosen't stop us from preparing to protect, But by a peaceful way.
"And make ready for them who fight you whatever you can of armed force and of mounted pickets at the frontier, whereby you may frighten the enemy of ALLAH and your enemy and others besides them whom you know not, but ALLAH knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of ALLAH, it shall be paid back to you in full and you shall not be wronged. ( Quran 8:60)"
In this verse Allah told us to be prepared enough to scare the enemy from fighting us.
Back then everyone wanted to destroy Islam, Pagans, Romans, Persians, Christians, Jews.

"And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character. ( Quran 68:4)"

Mohammad (PBUH) Said:
"There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, nor of a non-Arab over an Arab, Nor a white over a black, nor a black over white except in whoeverfears Allah the most; You are from Adam and Adam is from dust."
And this hadith is narated by 17 people.


And he said:
"I was sent to complete good morals."

And:
"Allah taught and he taught me well."

And look at these verses:

"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. ( Quran 16:125)"

"It is because of the mercy of Allah that you, (Oh Muhammad, SAW), are lenient (and polite) with them. For, had you been callous and hard of heart, they would have (disbanded and) dispersed from around you. So, pardon them, seek forgiveness for them and seek their advice in matters (that concern them). Then, once you arrive at a decision, put your trust in Allah. Indeed, Allah loves those who place their trust (in Him). ( Quran 3:159)

"Had Allah wished, He would have created you all as a single nation. But He guides or leads astray whomever He pleases. And you would very definitely be interrogated regarding everything you used to do! ( Quran 16:93)"

"You can not impart guidance to the one you like. Rather, it is Allah Who guides whom He wants. He is better Aware of those who follow guidance. ( 28:56)"

And look at the verses in the previous post.
Islam doesn't force people to enter it.

[picha]

One of the definition for the word Islam is peace and peace is one of the names of Allah.
Peace also means saftey and Islam dosen't stop us from preparing to protect, But by a peaceful way.
"And make ready for them who fight you whatever you can of armed force and of mounted pickets at the frontier, whereby you may frighten the enemy of ALLAH and your enemy and others besides them whom you know not, but ALLAH knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of ALLAH, it shall be paid back to you in full and you shall not be wronged. ( Quran 8:60)"
In this verse Allah told us to be prepared enough to scare the enemy from fighting us.
Back then everyone wanted to destroy Islam, Pagans, Romans, Persians, Christians, Jews.

"And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character. ( Quran 68:4)"

Mohammad (PBUH) Said:
"There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, nor of a non-Arab over an Arab, Nor a white over a black, nor a black over white except in whoeverfears Allah the most; You are from Adam and Adam is from dust."
And this hadith is narated by 17 people.


And he said:
"I was sent to complete good morals."

And:
"Allah taught and he taught me well."

And look at these verses:

"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. ( Quran 16:125)"

"It is because of the mercy of Allah that you, (Oh Muhammad, SAW), are lenient (and polite) with them. For, had you been callous and hard of heart, they would have (disbanded and) dispersed from around you. So, pardon them, seek forgiveness for them and seek their advice in matters (that concern them). Then, once you arrive at a decision, put your trust in Allah. Indeed, Allah loves those who place their trust (in Him). ( Quran 3:159)

"Had Allah wished, He would have created you all as a single nation. But He guides or leads astray whomever He pleases. And you would very definitely be interrogated regarding everything you used to do! ( Quran 16:93)"

"You can not impart guidance to the one you like. Rather, it is Allah Who guides whom He wants. He is better Aware of those who follow guidance. ( 28:56)"

And look at the verses in the previous post.
Islam doesn't force people to enter it.

Stop lying about the meaning of the word 'islam'. It does not mean peace, it means SUBMISSION.

LIAR!

[m6000000]

Hi all,


Here comes m6...



In one hadith Muhammad boasted, “I have been made victorious through terror”. Bukhari.


I honestly would love to be like that. I think it will save me war, men and weapons...

Oh Allah, make me victorious through terror.


Tc


Taa

[dragon fang]

If you READ Islamic history you will see how peaceful it is,
According to Christian sources Christians had one of the greatest injustice and bullying in the era of the Roman Emperor Diocletian between 284 - 305.
Churches were destroyed and bibles were burned and books talking about religion were burned and there were tons of Christians killed, And the rates kept on raising.
It is all recored in the book called: Age of the Martyrs 284.
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The Egyptian church wrote it.

Many people entered Islam without any pressure or terrorization, Not because of the taxes as some people think; as it was for Muslims and non-Muslims for a long time, But people kept on entering Islam.

Lets compare Spain in the time of Granada, He killed the original king and stole his fortune and made his family and friends and people he bribe the ones with high ranking and the ones responsible for churches, And he made very high taxes and killed anyone who wanted to rebel or say his opinion.
People and farmers kept asking for Muslims to open Spain they even sent them ships, At first they tried the peaceful convert but they refused and wanted war like all the Europeans countries, And Spain had capabilities to make raids with ships.
If you read history you will see that Arabs and Jews lived with Spanish under the Islamic law, They lived in total peace, And just look at the civilization that was there.
And because of corrupt leaders It got completely weak, Europeans did alot of unhuman things against them, And started purification campaigns and houses were destroyed and all mosques were either destroyed or turned into churches, And Muslims and Jews had three choices, Either become Christians or leave Spain or be killed
And Jeffrey Heth detailed it in his book "Jewish and Muslim Dialects of Moroccan Arabic.".
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And the Muslims welcomed the bullied Jews in the Christian world and allowed them to live freely and have their religious practices.
Why do you think so many Jews and Christians came to the Islamic world back then?

And there is a story when a Christian Egyptian came to Omar bin Al-Khatab because Amar bin Al-Aas the some of the governer of Egypt hit him with the whip after he refused to give him his horse after it won the race saying "Take it and I am the son of the honored.", Then Omar called them and he gave the Christian a whip and asked him to hit the son of the honored.
The today court system is based on the Muslim's.

And there is an other story for Omar bin Abd Al-Aziz when the Christians of Damascus asked him to expand the Church of John and he did.

I mean just look at what these people said:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113650
They said it because they research rather than look at the news, The biggest brain washing program.
Just look at the hadiths and the quotes of Mohammad (PBUH)

And lets not forget that people in the west didn't have religious freedom but from a short time ago, While Islam gave religious freedom.
Just look at the dark ages of Europe, What happened to the Scientists of Europe and it's thinkers?
They were killed because they said things that isn't in the bible to deceive people and that they are possessed by the devil.
Nicolaus Copernicus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Galileo Galilei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And how they wiped out the red indians because they are the "Soldiers of Satan" And because they aren't mentioned in the bible.

And lets see the massacres that is made to muslims, Like the massacre of Sepernettsa, And the massacres against Albanians in Kosovo, And the massacre of 20th June 1990 in Azerbaijan by the Soviet army, And the massacres of Nanoukrabach by the Armenians, And the massacres of Chechen by the Russians, And the continous termination to the Uighur in China, And don't forget what the Russians did in Central Asia and Caucasus and Tatarstan and Peshkordstan, And the Serbs did to the Muslims in Balkan, And the Italian massacres in Libya and the French massacre to the Algerians, And the Indonesians by the Dutch, And ofcourse the Israeli continuous massacres against the Palestinians in the land they stole.
If that isn't terrorism then what is it?

And in the main time there is a continuous raising to the racist attacks against Muslims and our religion, Like banning the minarets and lies in the News by the elites and banning the hejab.
An example in Russia would be the Skinheads, They cut the throats of Muslims in the streets without any one helping or supporting them.
Does this happen in the Muslim countries?
If you ask any Russian who live in an Islamic country he would say that he live in peace and secure and are treated well, While Muslims get much worse than that in their country.

The Islamic history is full of forgiving, Lets see how Mohammad (PBUH) said to not kill women or children or elders or who doesn't fight and not destroy any house or places to worship, And look how Muslims treat prisoners of war.
And then look how they stab the stomach of muslim pregnants in Bosnia and Herzegovina, And in Nageornocrap and other places where they do unhuman and brutal activities where we are suppose to be civilized, It is not like the UN or the Elites even care about them.




Oh and Pert, This is a gift from me :) .

On that account: We ordained For the Children of Israel That if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. The although there came To them Our Messengers With clear Sings, yet, Even after that, many Of them continued to commit Excess in the land. ( Quran 5:32)"

"Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. ( Quran, 25:68-69)"

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. ( Quran, 2:190)"

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. ( Quran, 49:13)"

"They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' ( Quran, 76:7-9)"

After Mohammad (pbuh) forgave the pagans Arab tribes after years of being attacked, tortured, oppressed, and sanctioned by them.
Then the Prophet (pbuh) sent letters to the surrounding powers inviting them to Islam and the permission to call to the path of the Almighty just like Moses did to Pharaoh.
The Christian Byzantine king murdered the messenger whom the Prophet (pbuh) sent and then sent his headless body back to the Prophet (pbuh) and annouced war on the Islam.
The Persian Emperor became outraged and cursed the letter-bearer and told him that if it wasn't against international practice he would have him mutilated, Instead he cussed the Muslim letter-bearer and claimed that the Arabs are merely slaves to the Persians and that He will send an army to have the Prophet seized, humiliated and imprisoned.
The Egyptian Christian king sent a respectful no but thank you message, And sent some gifts.
The Ethiopian (Abyssinian) king voiced his will to embrace Islam after he studied it, yet secretly because he feared what the church might do to him.

You must understand that back then the world was made up of empires and nomad lands;No borders and no free democracies, The world was in a perpetual state of war, Romans and Persians wanted to conquer the world, They would start war for the stupidest reason.
So if the leader shows hostility to a group then I guarantee that you can expect all kinds of trouble from them.

So because of that the Prophet immediately sent armies to the closest and most clear threat which was the Byzantines who showed no respect, After the death of the Prophet (1 year after that), His successor in authority over the Islamic state and not in Prophet-hood, started sending armies to wage an all out war on both hostile powers in Persia and Byzantium who obviously will not allow a peaceful mission of spreading Islam in their lands.

The Muslim warriors were way outnumbered and out-equipped toppled the Persian empire and Byzantine (half of the roman empire) in less than 50 years with the help of Allah.

What do you expect? Stay on their homes and wait for them to kill anyone who reject being a muslim?

They didn’t force religion on anyone; They would make a contract of a tax in return for freedom of like, religion and worshiping places, and trade, Work, Money in the Muslim lands for all non-Muslim believers in God, The Islamic countries were the only one that would offer such respect and freedom to people from other cultures and religion, And because of that many came to Islamic lands.
It was the morals, uprightness, and justice of Islam and its law that attracted most of these people to become Muslim, It is the opposite of what you thought, Some people from other cultures became Muslims after they saw the honesty and justice of Muslim traders coming into their land.

In the Muslim world you can find beautiful ancient churches and temples some of them are traced back to before the Muslim rule, Alot of them in Jerusalem, Bethleham, and Nazereth, There are 30 million orthodox/catholic Arabs across the Middle East today whose roots go back also before the Muslim domination of these lands this is roughly 10% of the Arab world, Why didn't they kill those Arab infidels?
And there was never a war fought by the Muslims anywhere near Indonesia.
Indonesia is the most densely populated Muslim country of close to 200 million Muslims whose ancestors learned of Islam through traders and merchants from the Islamic world, Because they actually listen and respect.

“History makes it clear however, legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam a the point of a sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.” (by: De lacy O’Leary “Islam at the crossroads” pg.8)

“The more important factor for the spread of Islam is its (just) religious law (shariah) which was designed to cover all manifestations of life” (Franz Rosenthal, “Political thought in Medieval Islam” pg. 21 Cambridge Press)

The Europeans were no different than the Persian and the Byzantines, They wanted war and to destroy Islam.

[elirien]

Stop lying about the meaning of the word 'islam'. It does not mean peace, it means SUBMISSION.

LIAR!

What's the difference?

[pert]

If you READ
Many people entered Islam without any pressure or terrorization, Not because of the taxes as some people think; as it was for Muslims and non-Muslims for a long time, But people kept on entering Islam.


You don't mention that life under Dhimmitude was often so bad that people often had no option but to convert to Islam. Zoroastrians had to endure centuries of Dhimmitude and as a result their religion is practically extinct

[pert]

And lets not forget that people in the west didn't have religious freedom but from a short time ago, While Islam gave religious freedom.

So there's complete freedom of religion in Muslim countries? Really?

[dragon fang]

Stop lying about the meaning of the word 'islam'. It does not mean peace, it means SUBMISSION.

LIAR!

IDIOT!
It comes from the word سلم
which means peace and can have meanings as safety, surrendering, submitting, delivery, Protection from faults.
But the MAIN meaning is peace and the Sub meaning is submitting.

[dragon fang]

You don't mention that life under Dhimmitude was often so bad that people often had no option but to convert to Islam. Zoroastrians had to endure centuries of Dhimmitude and as a result their religion is practically extinct

So what is the problem?
Each religion will have a mini government ruling it.

[pert]

So what is the problem?


The problem is that Dhimmitude was often so unbearable that people usuallly had no choice but to convert to Islam

[dragon fang]

So there's complete freedom of religion in Muslim countries? Really?

Yep, And I am talking about the past.
Just show me a nation that gave better freedom of religion.

[pert]

Yep, And I am talking about the past.
Just show me a nation that gave better freedom of religion.

So there's complete freedom of religion in Muslim countries? is that why Christians are being persecuted in Pakistan, Bahais are persecuted in Iran, Coptic Christians are persecuted in Egypt, Bibles are confiscated in Saudi Arabia, I could go on

[dragon fang]

The problem is that Dhimmitude was often so unbearable that people had no choice but to convert to Islam

Unbearable how?
At least they have a goverment rather than kings and church ministers stealing their money and food and giving high taxes.

[pert]

If you READ If you read history you will see that Arabs and Jews lived with Spanish under the Islamic law, They lived in total peace,

apart form the burned Monstries and Convents, the crucifxions of Cordoba, the raping of Nuns, the beheadings at Toledo, Mutamid adorning his palace with the severed heads of Jews and Christians, etc

[pert]

Unbearable how?


Being treated as second class citizens, having to undergo humiliating rituals when paying protection tax..

[dragon fang]

So there's complete freedom of religion in Muslim countries? is that why Christians are being persecuted in Pakistan, Bahais are persecuted in Iran, Coptic Christians are persecuted in Egypt, Bibles are confiscated in Saudi Arabia, I could go on

Pakistan: It is a militant country and fanatic because the lack of knowledge, What they do is wrong.

Iran: They are Shias so I don't care about them because they are away from Islam.

Egypt: The youngs of Egypt are lost, They are all now on TV - Music - Games and other Brainwashing.
Just like the USA.

Saudi Arabia: It is too militant but it is their right to make it a one religion country.

[pert]

Why do you think so many Jews and Christians came to the Islamic world back then?



The protection taxes they had to pay were a pretty good source of revenue, that's probably why

[pert]

Egypt: The youngs of Egypt are lost, They are all now on TV - Music - Games and other Brainwashing.
Just like the USA.

.

What has that to do with persection of Christians?

[dragon fang]

apart form the burned Monstries and Convents, the crucifxions of Cordoba, the raping of Nuns, the beheadings at Toledo, Mutamid adorning his palace with the severed heads of Jews and Christians, etc

Don't make things up and stop embarrassing yourself.

[dragon fang]

Being treated as second class citizens, having to undergo humiliating rituals when paying protection tax..

They aren't second class, They have all the rights of the "First class".
The taxes is to make sure they work and develop.

[pert]

Don't make things up and stop embarrassing yourself.

You're the one making things up

[dragon fang]

What has that to do with persection of Christians?

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/tumblr_kq6vytxMGf1qa4ro0o1_5002-e1272768059470.jpg

They think that they are the best - Don't listen to other's opinion - Racism - Think their family is the only honorable family.

[dragon fang]

You're the one making things up

Proof?
I can't bring you a proof because there is no proof about your fables.

[pert]

Proof?
I can't bring you a proof because there is no proof about your fables.

Have you any proof of your claims?

[dragon fang]

Have you any proof of your claims?

Yes.
The proof that it is not recored, Which means there is no proof which means that this isn't a fact.
And I care about facts not stories you made up.

Now can you bring me a proof?

[pert]

Yes.
The proof that it is not recored, Which means there is no proof which means that this isn't a fact.
And I care about facts not stories you made up.

Now can you bring me a proof?

I can if you wnat - I notice you haven't cited any of your sources

[dragon fang]

I can if you wnat - I notice you haven't cited any of your sources

I want, But you don't because you can't, And you also can't admit you are wrong...

And we are back with the Chameleon tricks and games, Stop changing the topic, The hadiths are correct but I didn't have time to search Sahih.

And if you are talking about the proof thingy then my proof is a rare case where you don't have to cite.

[picha]

Hi all,


Here comes m6...





I honestly would love to be like that. I think it will save me war, men and weapons...

Oh Allah, make me victorious through terror.


Tc


Taa





Finally, we are now seeing the reality of the muslim psyche. It's taken over 2 years but at least now we are seeing some honesty.
Muslims are aspiring terrorists because their role model mohammed, was a terrorist.
I hope now at least some of you who were unaware have now woken up to the reality of islam.

[dragon fang]

Finally, we are now seeing the reality of the muslim psyche. It's taken over 2 years but at least now we are seeing some honesty.
Muslims are aspiring terrorists because their role model mohammed, was a terrorist.
I hope now at least some of you who were unaware have now woken up to the reality of islam.

BlaBlaBla.
Keep on spreading hate and lies and supporting the NWO.

[pert]

Don't make things up and stop embarrassing yourself.

"Iberia (Spain) was conquered in 710-716 AD by Arab tribes originating from northern, central and southern Arabia. Massive Berber and Arab immigration, and the colonization of the Iberian peninsula, followed the conquest. Most churches were converted into mosques. Although the conquest had been planned and conducted jointly with a strong faction of royal Iberian Christian dissidents, including a bishop, it proceeded as a classical jihad with massive pillages, enslavement, deportations and killings.

Toledo, which had first submitted to the Arabs in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. The town was punished by pillage and all the notables had their throats cut. In 730, the Cerdagne (in Septimania, near Barcelona) was ravaged and a bishop burned alive. In the regions under stable Islamic control, Jews and Christians were tolerated as dhimmis – like elsewhere in other Islamic lands – and could not build new churches or synagogues nor restore the old ones. Segregated in special quarters, they had to wear discriminatory clothing. Subjected to heavy taxes, the Christian peasantry formed a servile class attached to the Arab domains; many abandoned their land and fled to the towns. Harsh reprisals with mutilations and crucifixions would sanction the Mozarab (Christian dhimmis) calls for help from the Christian kings. Moreover, if one dhimmi harmed a Muslim, the whole community would lose its status of protection, leaving it open to pillage, enslavement and arbitrary killing.

By the end of the eighth century, the rulers of North Africa and of Andalusia had introduced Malikism, one of the most rigorous schools of Islamic jurisprudence, and subsequently repressed the other Muslim schools of law. Three quarters of a century ago, at a time when political correctness was not dominating historical publication and discourse, Evariste Levi-Provencal, the pre-eminent scholar of Andalusia, wrote: “The Muslim Andalusian state thus appears from its earliest origins as the defender and champion of a jealous orthodoxy, more and more ossified in a blind respect for a rigid doctrine, suspecting and condemning in advance the least effort of rational speculation.”

The humiliating status imposed on the dhimmis and the confiscation of their land provoked many revolts, punished by massacres, as in Toledo (761, 784-86, 797). After another Toledan revolt in 806, seven hundred inhabitants were executed. Insurrections erupted in Saragossa from 781 to 881, Cordova (805), Merida (805-813, 828 and the following year, and later in 868), and yet again in Toledo (811-819); the insurgents were crucified, as prescribed in Quran 5:33.

The revolt in Cordova of 818 was crushed by three days of massacres and pillage, with 300 notables crucified and 20,000 families expelled. Feuding was endemic in the Andalusian cities between the different sectors of the population: Arab and Berber colonizers, Iberian Muslim converts (Muwalladun) and Christian dhimmis (Mozarabs). There were rarely periods of peace in the Amirate of Cordova (756-912), nor later.

Al-Andalus represented the land of jihad par excellence. Every year, sometimes twice a year, raiding expeditions were sent to ravage the Christian Spanish kingdoms to the north, the Basque regions, or France and the Rhone valley, bringing back booty and slaves. Andalusian corsairs attacked and invaded along the Sicilian and Italian coasts, even as far as the Aegean Islands, looting and burning as they went. Thousands of people were deported to slavery in Andalusia, where the caliph kept a militia of tens of thousand of Christian slaves brought from all parts of Christian Europe (the Saqaliba), and a harem filled with captured Christian women. Society was sharply divided along ethnic and religious lines, with the Arab tribes at the top of the hierarchy, followed by the Berbers who were never recognized as equals, despite their Islamization; lower in the scale came the mullawadun converts and, at the very bottom, the dhimmi Christians and Jews.

The Andalusian Maliki jurist Ibn Abdun (d. 1134) offered these telling legal opinions regarding Jews and Christians in Seville around 1100 C.E.: “No Jew or Christian may be allowed to wear the dress of an aristocrat, nor of a jurist, nor of a wealthy individual; on the contrary they must be detested and avoided. It is forbidden to [greet] them with the [expression] “Peace be upon you”… “A distinctive sign must be imposed upon them in order that they may be recognized and this will be for them a form of disgrace.”

Ibn Abdun also forbade the selling of scientific books to dhimmis, under the pretext that they translated them and attributed them to their co-religionists and bishops. In fact, plagiarism is difficult to prove since whole Jewish and Christian libraries were looted and destroyed…

In Granada, the Jewish viziers Samuel Ibn Naghrela and his son Joseph, who protected the Jewish community, were both assassinated between 1056 to 1066, followed by the annihilation of the Jewish population by the local Muslims. It is estimated that up to five thousand Jews perished in the pogrom by Muslims that accompanied the 1066 assassination. This figure equals or exceeds the number of Jews reportedly killed by the Crusaders during their pillage of the Rhineland, some thirty years later, at the outset of the First Crusade…

The Muslim Berber Almohads in Spain and North Africa (1130-1232) wreaked enormous destruction on both the Jewish and Christian populations… massacre, captivity, and forced conversion… Maimonides, the renowned philosopher and physician, experienced the Almohad persecutions, and had to flee Cordoba with his entire family in 1148 …

Although Maimonides is frequently referred to as a paragon of Jewish achievement facilitated by the enlightened rule of Andalusia, his own words debunk this utopian view of the Islamic treatment of Jews: “..the Arabs have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us… Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they..”

A valid summary assessment of interfaith relationships in Muslim Spain, and the contemporary currents responsible for obfuscating that history, can be found in Richard Fletcher’s engaging Moorish Spain. Mr. Fletcher offers these sobering, unassailable observations:

“The witness of those who lived through the horrors of the Berber conquest, of the Andalusian fitnah in the early eleventh century, of the Almoravid invasion- to mention only a few disruptive episodes- must give it [i.e., the roseate view of Muslim Spain] the lie. The simple and verifiable historical truth is that Moorish Spain was more often a land of turmoil than it was of tranquility…Tolerance? Ask the Jews of Granada who were massacred in 1066, or the Christians who were deported by the Almoravids to Morocco in 1126 (like the Moriscos five centuries later). In the second half of the twentieth century a new agent of obfuscation makes its appearance: the guilt of the liberal conscience, which sees the evils of colonialism – assumed rather than demonstrated – foreshadowed in the Christian conquest of al-Andalus and the persecution of the Moriscos (but not, oddly, in the Moorish conquest and colonization). Stir the mix well together and issue it free to credulous academics and media persons throughout the western world. Then pour it generously over the truth… [But] Moorish Spain was not a tolerant and enlightened society even in its most cultivated epoch.”"

Source:www.theatheistconservative.com

[pert]

Ithen my proof is a rare case where you don't have to cite.

How convenient

[pert]

If you READ And lets see the massacres that is made to muslims, Like the massacre of Sepernettsa, And the massacres against Albanians in Kosovo, And the massacre of 20th June 1990 in Azerbaijan by the Soviet army, And the massacres of Nanoukrabach by the Armenians, And the massacres of Chechen by the Russians, And the continous termination to the Uighur in China, And don't forget what the Russians did in Central Asia and Caucasus and Tatarstan and Peshkordstan, And the Serbs did to the Muslims in Balkan, And the Italian massacres in Libya and the French massacre to the Algerians, And the Indonesians by the Dutch, And ofcourse the Israeli continuous massacres against the Palestinians in the land they stole.
If that isn't terrorism then what is it?

And what about the massacares Muslims carried out against people of other religions like the Turkish genocide of the Armenians or the ethnic cleansing of the Bangladeshi Hindus to name but two examples?

[dragon fang]

This article is a cargo load of lies by anti-Islamic sites, I don't know why they do it.

"Iberia (Spain) was conquered in 710-716 AD by Arab tribes originating from northern, central and southern Arabia. Massive Berber and Arab immigration, and the colonization of the Iberian peninsula, followed the conquest. Most churches were converted [Wrong! Half] into mosques. Although the conquest had been planned and conducted jointly with a strong faction of royal Iberian Christian dissidents, including a bishop [Why? Because they wanted justice from the Islamic system], it proceeded as a classical jihad with massive pillages, enslavement, deportations and killings [Wrong; see below].

Toledo, which had first submitted to the Arabs in 711 or 712, revolted in 713. The town was punished by pillage and all the notables had their throats cut [First proof that this article is fake, This is from Wikipedia, Read Carefully: "Under the Caliphate of Cordoba, Toledo enjoyed a golden age. This extensive period is known as La Convivencia, i.e. the co-existence of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Under Arab rule," A golden age with a name for this city... I can't see how massacres and pillages would get mixed with it.]. In 730, the Cerdagne (in Septimania, near Barcelona) was ravaged and a bishop burned alive [Wrong Wikipedia: "it was conquered by the Arabs, although they did not really settle in the area." This is the only Arab history in it, And Mohammad forbidded killing any one even in war with fire]. In the regions under stable Islamic control, Jews and Christians were tolerated as dhimmis [And they thanked god for it, It is better than the extermly high taxes, and torture-kill tactic for any civilian saying their opinion]– like elsewhere in other Islamic lands – and could not build new churches or synagogues nor restore the old ones [ Hahaha, Now this one is funny, really, Then what about ALL these churches built in the Islamic era? And why were they allowed to expand churches and being approved?]. Segregated in special quarters, they had to wear discriminatory clothing [Lol wut? And why is that? And a proof please?]. Subjected to heavy taxes [It was low as everyone was able to pay it, And it was lifted from elders and people who can't work, And a month is given to find a job], the Christian peasantry formed a servile class attached to the Arab domains; many abandoned their land and fled to the towns [Actually people from other European countries would come to Spain and would wish to live in it]. Harsh reprisals with mutilations and crucifixions would sanction the Mozarab (Christian dhimmis) calls for help from the Christian kings. Moreover, if one dhimmi harmed a Muslim, the whole community would lose its status of protection, leaving it open to pillage, enslavement and arbitrary killing [This garbage is explained above, And I already posted verses from the Quran that forbid us from killing inocents, As I said the Islamic judge system is the one being used today and Jews and Christians can win cases against muslims, Actually they can win cases against the govermer himself like the Jews did with Ali bin Abi Talib the Cousin of Mohammad (PBUH) himself when he was a Khalifa].

By the end of the eighth century, the rulers of North Africa and of Andalusia had introduced Malikism, one of the most rigorous schools of Islamic jurisprudence, and subsequently repressed the other Muslim schools of law. Three quarters of a century ago, at a time when political correctness was not dominating historical publication and discourse, Evariste Levi-Provencal, the pre-eminent scholar of Andalusia, wrote: “The Muslim Andalusian state thus appears from its earliest origins as the defender and champion of a jealous orthodoxy, more and more ossified in a blind respect for a rigid doctrine, suspecting and condemning in advance the least effort of rational speculation.”

The humiliating status imposed on the dhimmis and the confiscation of their land provoked many revolts [Wait a minute there, Actually there were a case where the relatives of the governor stole the lands, But then the governor restored it to their owners], punished by massacres, as in Toledo (761, 784-86, 797). After another Toledan revolt in 806 [I searched and searched and searched, Yet I didn't find any historical fact, Which means: FAKE!], seven hundred inhabitants were executed. Insurrections erupted in Saragossa from 781 to 881, Cordova (805) [No fact=FAKE!], Merida (805-813, 828 and the following year, and later in 868), and yet again in Toledo (811-819) [No excutions happened=FAKE!]; the insurgents were crucified, as prescribed in Quran 5:33 [Now they are dragging the Quran to this...
"The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; ( Quran 5:33).
This only happened three times in the Islamic history, Once when the Jewish attacked Madina from the Inside while on siege when they had a piece treaty and killed a number of Muslims, The leaders responsible were killed and the rest were exiled.
And when a tribe that recently came to Madina, Then at night they killed the Sheppards and stole about 100 camels, And they were excuted.
And when a psycho who claimed to be a prophet killed 10,000 men, women, And children for refusing to convert to his religion.
And that is it, This verse is only for war crimes.]

The revolt in Cordova of 818 was crushed by three days of massacres and pillage, with 300 notables crucified and 20,000 families expelled. Feuding was endemic in the Andalusian cities between the different sectors of the population: Arab and Berber colonizers, Iberian Muslim converts (Muwalladun) and Christian dhimmis (Mozarabs). There were rarely periods of peace in the Amirate of Cordova (756-912), nor later. [Same, FAKE informations.]

Al-Andalus represented the land of jihad par excellence. Every year, sometimes twice a year, raiding expeditions were sent to ravage the Christian Spanish kingdoms to the north, the Basque regions, or France and the Rhone valley, bringing back booty and slaves. Andalusian corsairs attacked and invaded along the Sicilian and Italian coasts, even as far as the Aegean Islands, looting and burning as they went [Again.]. Thousands of people were deported to slavery in Andalusia [Slavery in Islam stopped at that time], where the caliph kept a militia of tens of thousand of Christian slaves brought from all parts of Christian Europe (the Saqaliba), and a harem filled with captured Christian women. Society was sharply divided along ethnic and religious lines, with the Arab tribes at the top of the hierarchy, followed by the Berbers who were never recognized as equals, despite their Islamization; lower in the scale came the mullawadun converts and, at the very bottom, the dhimmi Christians and Jews.

The Andalusian Maliki jurist Ibn Abdun [The only man named Ibn Abdun is a famous poet who lived most of his life in Morroco, What would bring him to Spain and suddenly make rules?](d. 1134) offered these telling legal opinions regarding Jews and Christians in Seville around 1100 C.E.: “No Jew or Christian may be allowed to wear the dress of an aristocrat, nor of a jurist, nor of a wealthy individual; on the contrary they must be detested and avoided. It is forbidden to [greet] them with the [expression] “Peace be upon you”… “A distinctive sign must be imposed upon them in order that they may be recognized and this will be for them a form of disgrace. [Actually it is allowed to say it to non Muslims, As long as you don't say the full greeting as you have to be a Muslim.]”

Ibn Abdun also forbade the selling of scientific books to dhimmis, under the pretext that they translated them and attributed them to their co-religionists and bishops. In fact, plagiarism is difficult to prove since whole Jewish and Christian libraries were looted and destroyed… [Then what suddenly brought them for the dark ages to golden ages? They stole the books!]

In Granada, the Jewish viziers Samuel Ibn Naghrela and his son Joseph, who protected the Jewish community, were both assassinated between 1056 to 1066 [Wrong, Samuel died a natural death, And Joseph was killed by some outlaws], followed by the annihilation of the Jewish population by the local Muslims. It is estimated that up to five thousand Jews perished in the pogrom by Muslims that accompanied the 1066 assassination [It was at the time when leaders would be corrupt, And Muslims would be non-practicing; They would even drink wine, These outlaws gathered those non-practicing muslims and told them that Joseph was betraying and some other things without proof so they did the massacre]. This figure equals or exceeds the number of Jews reportedly killed by the Crusaders during their pillage of the Rhineland, some thirty years later, at the outset of the First Crusade…

The Muslim Berber Almohads in Spain and North Africa (1130-1232) wreaked enormous destruction on both the Jewish and Christian populations… massacre, captivity, and forced conversion… Maimonides, the renowned philosopher and physician, experienced the Almohad persecutions, and had to flee Cordoba with his entire family in 1148 … [It was at the end of the Islamic rule, Because they got even more corrupt.]

Although Maimonides is frequently referred to as a paragon of Jewish achievement facilitated by the enlightened rule of Andalusia, his own words debunk this utopian view of the Islamic treatment of Jews: “..the Arabs have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us… Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they..” [Treatment in what time?]

A valid summary assessment of interfaith relationships in Muslim Spain, and the contemporary currents responsible for obfuscating that history, can be found in Richard Fletcher’s engaging Moorish Spain. Mr. Fletcher offers these sobering, unassailable observations:

“The witness of those who lived through the horrors of the Berber conquest, of the Andalusian fitnah in the early eleventh century, of the Almoravid invasion- to mention only a few disruptive episodes- must give it [i.e., the roseate view of Muslim Spain] the lie. The simple and verifiable historical truth is that Moorish Spain was more often a land of turmoil than it was of tranquility…Tolerance? Ask the Jews of Granada who were massacred in 1066, or the Christians who were deported by the Almoravids to Morocco in 1126 (like the Moriscos five centuries later). In the second half of the twentieth century a new agent of obfuscation makes its appearance: the guilt of the liberal conscience, which sees the evils of colonialism – assumed rather than demonstrated – foreshadowed in the Christian conquest of al-Andalus and the persecution of the Moriscos (but not, oddly, in the Moorish conquest and colonization). Stir the mix well together and issue it free to credulous academics and media persons throughout the western world. Then pour it generously over the truth… [But] Moorish Spain was not a tolerant and enlightened society even in its most cultivated epoch.”"
[An ending only mentioning the accurate information at the time where the country was corrupt... How nice.]

Source:www.theatheistconservative.com

[dragon fang]

How convenient

Thanks.
Now where is your proof?

[pert]

Thanks.
Now where is your proof?

Where's yours?

[dragon fang]

Where's yours?

As I said this is one of the rare cases where you don't need a proof.
Right now my hands are tied, And I need to proof that this didn't happen, How can I do it? By pointing that it doesn't have any proof and it started as a lie in Anti-Islamic sites.

Just like proving there are no unicorns, You disprove them by pointing that there is no proof of their existence and that it started in children books and fables.

[pert]

As I said this is one of the rare cases where you don't need a proof.


As I said, how convenient

[pert]

This article is a cargo load of lies by anti-Islamic sites, I don't know why they do it.

Sources please

[dragon fang]

As I said, how convenient

Yep, It is really relaxing.
You proved and admitted that it is a lie without me reading long article and disproving point by point.

[dragon fang]

Sources please

I don't have to, As the one who wrote it didn't.
But I did any way, I sourced about half of my points from Wikipedia, And said that the one who wrote the Article gave false informations and created informations out of imagination.
I don't really have enough time or energy to search for names and review and copy paste sharia laws.

[m6000000]

Hi


A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951

The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.



Taa

[elirien]

Hi


A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951

The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.



Taa




It's the western perspective. Some even ask if they ride camels in Turkey. :D

It's very interesting because the question comes from the same intelligence that scraps "native american" and palestinian killing under the carpet which was of course for some even done by religion :D No way in all creation could it be from ignorance. It had to be from religion :D This is probably the "global warming" for truth seekers.

[m6000000]

MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORISTS

Question:

Why are most of the Muslims fundamentalists and terrorists?

Answer:

This question is often hurled at Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs. Muslim stereotypes are perpetuated in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam and Muslims. In fact, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims. A case in point is the anti-Muslim campaign in the American media following the Oklahoma bomb blast, where the press was quick to declare a ‘Middle Eastern conspiracy’ behind the attack. The culprit was later identified as a soldier from the American Armed Forces.

Let us analyze this allegation of ‘fundamentalism’ and ‘terrorism’:

1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’

A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practice the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.

2. Not all ‘fundamentalists’ are the same

One cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. One cannot categorize all fundamentalists as either good or bad. Such a categorization of any fundamentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.

3. I am proud to be a Muslim fundamentalist

I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah, knows, follows and strives to practice the fundamentals of Islam. A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist. I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world. There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole. Many people harbour misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.

4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’

According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.

According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.

Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.

5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist

Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.

6. Different labels given to the same individual for the same action, i.e. ‘terrorist’ and ‘patriot’

Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.

It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.

7. Islam means peace

Islam is derived from the word ‘salaam’ which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.

Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society.

by Dr. Zakir Naik


To be continued...


Taa

[dragon fang]

Hiding because of your lies Pert?
That what most Anti-Islamics do, I wish if they would at least have some courage.