The great ascension process scam

[chris]

We can all agree that we are living in times of great change. Although many are using this as a scam thanks to the Orwellian termed age of enlightenment of the 1800's perpetrated after destroying the ancient world view.

Thanks to the loss of culture and history, the Vatican has made a breading ground for false prophets and guru’s banking off our ignorance of naturally occurring phenomenon that has been with us for thousands of years.

In different cultures they speak of the astral body awakening around the time the body stops growing…In Hindu sects, (real) gurus speak about the fourth subtle body is created from the regenerative (sexual) energies that were first used in growth (1-13), then sexual function (13-20) and finally for spiritual enlightenment (18+). Alchemists who were much more sophisticated knew of this as the second puberty, with the exact same reasons the Hindu’s believed, after puberty the regenerative energies were used to create a renaissance in the mind. Kaballists would wait until they are 40 before learning the Kabbalah which by the way Hindu’s believed was the time the astral body should be completed, the traditional reasons why people were given the vote at 21+ was because they were able to form reason thanks to the creation of the subtle body. Magicians knew of this regenerative energy as love and the foundation for all their work. In fact almost all mainstream religions even tantric beliefs put this energy in the foreground and all practiced a conservation of it, but this is getting out the scope of this post.

The sure thing is that there is a scam perpetrated by false guru’s only to happy to take money from people fooled by the remnants of the inquisition that the old age was a time of ill health, bloodshed, dogma and fear of sex. This is true in many places throughout history but none more so than now. If you read traditional spiritual texts you will find a whole different world that puts today’s way of thinking to shame. The liberalness and freedom in that writing far exceeds the current modern thinking.

Thanks to psychology, we have destroyed this ancient knowledge and today these psychology based philosophies are playing pretend. Be sure that most things out their are psychology based, even the occult philosophies have been taken over by it.

When you hit the age of around 20 or so, your astral body will start to become apparent. In many people this happens way before but sometimes is shut out with all the extra distractions until a much later age…All the symptoms that come with the astral body are no different than they were in the seventeen hundreds, in fact they speak about it much more fluently. The whole scam of the age is to make you believe little sparks of these (which everyone gets) is some huge awakening process that our planet has never yet seen before. All day people will give testimonials about how they were one or in the astral realm or any other kind place, I do not contest these, people have been doing this for thousands of years. The real problem is that people go nowhere from that point onwards. If there was such an awakening then all those spiritual people from the 80’s would be heads of major institutions, having huge followings and the world would be a much different place but instead people are discussing the same ragged stories of temporary achievement and then others talk mainly of what is called the placebo effect. The astral body doesn’t grow through experience, which is why in the old texts they regarded as discussing experience is considered poison to other people.

In a lot of traditional thinking you were only considered at the first level when you could awaken the astral body with no struggle, whenever you pleased. This was considered phase one. Then they go onto learning how to skry with the astral body as not to get confused and mislead by all the entities that will be trying to fool you.

Yet there are so many people who channel and have little meditations and are fooled like they are getting somewhere when if anything they are going backwards. People think if they are sick then the are progressing, if they are healthy they are progressing, if they have a headache or see an image in meditation, they are progressing. This is all a crack of shit, there are very definite signs written down in the old texts which tell you emphatically what you will experience when you are progressing. I have known people who have so bought into this that they have changed their names and done all kinds of crazy shit but yet over the years they are just getting desperate. So unless you are content with discussing your delusions and placebo's throw these newage psychologically Jungian based philosophies in the bin and look towards the ancients.

[jologriffiths]

I think you are taking dogma from the past and using it in the same way as these so-called false money making gurus you talk of do, to keep you in a prison and tell you how it should be or what was 'considered' to be the truth and who is lying.

who is to say who's genuine and who is not?

without addressing the issue of self determination of information we are given, we are not seeing our own truth.
Its what resonates with you at that time that counts, none of us should hold on to dogma, if you believe it to be reliable source then that is good for you, but it is far healthier to store it in your memory bank as one perspective, rather than use against others to prove your way is better than theirs, all info is just a tool that the individual can use independently.
Next week you may have a completely different perspective and thats ok.

Its great when people are on the same wavelength and even better when we all come together with the same basic need to understand who we are and how we can make this existence a wonderful one.

Everyone has their own path, so to bicker about which path is the best is a fruitless excercise. We all make mistakes and that has to be so to learn.

This gathering of energy is coming from the collective energy created by the genuine desire for us to evolve, we are creating it ourselves, I do believe we are not alone in this Universe and that we are all inter-connected, so this Awakening is happening to all, and we are all helping
each other consciously or not.
If from the beginning of our lives we we're taught and shown how to harness this inner trust it would be so much easier for us to make the right decisions for ourselves, we are always looking outward for answers, and there are so many theories!
whatever floats your boat!
Being too attached to any theory is dangerous and this is the secret to freedom I think.

The facts are we need to change, to turn the lights on and see where we are going, its a bit of a quagmire and lots of distractions but if you rely on your own light you will get up those stairs no probs.:)

[chris]

I think you are taking dogma from the past and using it in the same way as these so-called false money making gurus you talk of do, to keep you in a prison and tell you how it should be or what was 'considered' to be the truth and who is lying.

There are two kinds of sciences, impersonal and personal. Impersonal uses science to convince others with facts and evidence while personal will only use ones experience to prove to themselves the science. To know who is telling the truth and who is lying is a delicate task but the fact is that teachings have been consistent all the way up until the eighteen hundreds where it was destroyed and then reborn into newage psychobabble. Newage bullshit is like a copycat of the ancient way yet everything is twisted and diluted. You have obviously not studied the older things or else you would agree with the consistency of the teachings, not to mention the definite understanding of unfoldment that speaks in unisen throughout Europe and Asia along with it’s perils which state the things that these newage parrots are falling into now.


who is to say who's genuine and who is not?


Easy deduction of who is more consistent and the individuals real progress along the path. Before the 17 hundreds had consistently brought about many great minds and many you probably would have never heard about (due to the Vatican cover-up). After the age of enlightenment the range and breadth of brilliant thinkers in the West have completely stopped and the ones that do come about are either naturals or adhere to the ancient forms of teaching. I have yet to see a newage guru who was truly brilliant (though some have been interesting).


without addressing the issue of self determination of information we are given, we are not seeing our own truth.
Its what resonates with you at that time that counts, none of us should hold on to dogma, if you believe it to be reliable source then that is good for you, but it is far healthier to store it in your memory bank as one perspective, rather than use against others to prove your way is better than theirs, all info is just a tool that the individual can use independently.
Next week you may have a completely different perspective and thats ok.

Very well if choose to go the long way then tatty bye. I am just offering advice that could save a lot of time and denial.

Its great when people are on the same wavelength and even better when we all come together with the same basic need to understand who we are and how we can make this existence a wonderful one.

Everyone has their own path, so to bicker about which path is the best is a fruitless excercise. We all make mistakes and that has to be so to learn.

I am not bickering at all…

This gathering of energy is coming from the collective energy created by the genuine desire for us to evolve, we are creating it ourselves, I do believe we are not alone in this Universe and that we are all inter-connected, so this Awakening is happening to all, and we are all helping
each other consciously or not.
If from the beginning of our lives we we're taught and shown how to harness this inner trust it would be so much easier for us to make the right decisions for ourselves, we are always looking outward for answers, and there are so many theories!
whatever floats your boat!
Being too attached to any theory is dangerous and this is the secret to freedom I think.

I haven’t shown attachment to any one theory, I embrace many theories but all I am saying, if a person wanted to experience the Elizabethan way of life, would a better way to be at a re-enactment or to actually travel back in time and actually live it for a while. This former may have many misconceptions while the latter will be perfect. These teachings are still in very good condition, it is only now the newage guru’s have debased them beyond recognition so that they can call them their own.

The facts are we need to change, to turn the lights on and see where we are going, its a bit of a quagmire and lots of distractions but if you rely on your own light you will get up those stairs no probs.:)

Well, there are a lot of people that think that and they do have a great deal of problems…

Still many people are just content on their little snippets of realisation that have been with them since they were in their twenties or before. If just living along those lines is good enough for them then that’s fine but if someone wants to have undiluted teachings. Then look towards the ancients.

[jologriffiths]

Hi Chris,
I have read much over the past 18 years or so from all sources including material from the ancients to the Elizabethan era to present day.
There seems to be many interpretations of all of these teachings, signs etc. alot of contradictions and much speculation, which I think suits intellectual minds who lap up documented historical fact(?) and recorded ancient spiritual law.

So many lies have been told it seems regarding our origin and our potential that dogma has always left me with a large question mark, and switched me off to ploughing through old religious data/spiritual instruction that I have often found arrogant, belittling and limited.
I have resonated with energising material old and new and feel I am at a different point of reference, which is love.
Although I still have much to absorb intellectually if I wanted to, I can only absorb when I'm ready to.

The individual is no less able now than it was during the 'golden' periods in history
But We are are definately at a disadvantage in this era since our ability to connect with our past has been blocked deliberately, we certainly have not helped ourselves..
but feeling guilty and unworthy is not helping either.

To realise now about the true potential of humanity is merely the beginning of of re-learning that which you say we have lost...
and I agree that it seems we have lost that knowledge, but what we will have aquired at the end of the next cycle will be that and so much more.
There is alot to learn on this journey and we are all headed in the same direction, our point of reference and personal knowledge is for us and us alone. We can share it but not expect anyone to agree with it.
There is alot of BS out there and probably in here! that is the nature of life, so we may discern and learn! emotionally, intellectually and spiritually.

ONE LOVE

[tinmenace]

Hi Chris,
I have read much over the past 18 years or so from all sources including material from the ancients to the Elizabethan era to present day.
There seems to be many interpretations of all of these teachings, signs etc. alot of contradictions and much speculation, which I think suits intellectual minds who lap up documented historical fact(?) and recorded ancient spiritual law.

So many lies have been told it seems regarding our origin and our potential that dogma has always left me with a large question mark, and switched me off to ploughing through old religious data/spiritual instruction that I have often found arrogant, belittling and limited.
I have resonated with energising material old and new and feel I am at a different point of reference, which is love.
Although I still have much to absorb intellectually if I wanted to, I can only absorb when I'm ready to.

The individual is no less able now than it was during the 'golden' periods in history
But We are are definately at a disadvantage in this era since our ability to connect with our past has been blocked deliberately, we certainly have not helped ourselves..
but feeling guilty and unworthy is not helping either.

To realise now about the true potential of humanity is merely the beginning of of re-learning that which you say we have lost...
and I agree that it seems we have lost that knowledge, but what we will have aquired at the end of the next cycle will be that and so much more.
There is alot to learn on this journey and we are all headed in the same direction, our point of reference and personal knowledge is for us and us alone. We can share it but not expect anyone to agree with it.
There is alot of BS out there and probably in here! that is the nature of life, so we may discern and learn! emotionally, intellectually and spiritually.

ONE LOVE



Well said!

Jesus! You should write for a living! Fluent and concise.

Well done indeed!

[jologriffiths]

Well said!

Jesus! You should write for a living! Fluent and concise.

Well done indeed!




Thanks Tin!
It must be all these good vibes I've been getting;)
you're pretty hot on it too!

ONE LOVE

[tinmenace]

Thanks Tin!
It must be all these good vibes I've been getting;)
you're pretty hot on it too!

ONE LOVE

:)

[chris]

Well said!

Jesus! You should write for a living! Fluent and concise.

Well done indeed!




Yes, I agree. But the fact that some old teachings are misleading, some disguised as Christian texts (to save their ass), some to mislead the foolish or puffers as they used to be called shouldn’t put people off from them, with a little knowledge, they are easily deciphered. In fact so easy that it makes me suspicious that people are spouting this disinfo to steer people away. It’s easy.

However, there are certain strands of truth in traditional texts that are not just knowledge but wisdom. Though it may take some learning, I am not referring to knowledge for knowledge sake as Zen masters have proved scientifically that knowledge is irrelevant to have to ability to radically change the physiology of the brain. I am talking about application of this knowledge for mind expansion not for intellectual pursuits.

It is not difficult to take the modern route intellectually, the books are written for children. The older texts are wrote down for the people of the day and are a challenge but though the modern philosophies are easier intellectually, they are much harder spiritually. In other words, they are not just dumbed down, a lot of them are what can only be described as disinfo.

There is so much more consistency regarding old texts than modern. Modern is pretty much an individual's interpretation of whatever rags are passed down to him. These people are obviously in no position to teach and seem to be in it so they don't need to do a real job.

It's fine if you want to be more modern but having a good grounding in traditional is of great benefit. I know so many people that just go by their stomach when it comes to trusting peoples work and they all fall down the same hole, they try everything and are in complete denial about the whole affair, some go crazy or drop out. I haven't seen one really change unless they have a traditional compass.

I work from people like Cornelius Agripps, Isaac Hollandus and Paracelsus. I like Jean Dubious who is modern but very routed in traditional (an absolutely brilliant man), Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan who again is deeply routed in the traditional and scholarly. What I like about Alchemy is that the alchemists would not only work on their inner self but they would have something to show for it afterwards as proof but you don’t need this proof for inner alchemy as it’s an individual science, only to be proved by yourself to yourself by real progress. Far from Dogma and with clear and defined steps of progress you can be gauged rather than going by a stomach feeling. I also read a lot from the ancient yogis and siddhas but here is where you really need to read the direct translations of the texts and not settle for just the commentary. A modern writer who is very good and adheres to traditional (though not intentionally) is Liz Koch, very interesting work regarding yoga, she actually sites a great deal of traditional knowledge in her books but I don’t think she is really coming from that perspective.

Because it is a huge subject, may I ask specifically what you are referring to when you refer to your 18 years of research? What teachings, texts and people stand out to you and are there any that you would stay clear of? We could talk about theoretical dogma all day and both be correct but to have a discussion on this we need to be open.

What I am proposing shouldn’t be at all different or at odds with anyone. I am stating that there are real benefits out there for people who look towards the traditional sides of things to use as a reference guide for the experiences and for judging new works by because there is a lot of difference and the traditional is much more grounded and consistent than the contemporary.

There is a great deal of traditional work that will not be found in modern yet are strikingly the greater philosophies and practices.

It’s not like I am blindly pushing the traditional, I am saying that there is great benefit from building up your discernment with the traditional in mind and then you have a platform to work with. The things that really work have been known for a long time and it’s the cover-up and subsequent neglect and apathy to look for the easy way out that gives room for these newage guru’s to flourish who only need to look the part and tell the aspirant they are making progress when the opposite is actually happening.

I hope I’m not coming across like I’m pushing for anything more than praising the benefits for avoiding the pittfalls that having a traditional routing distills.

[devin]

For right now I am not going to remain true to my recent thread where I stated a bunch of things I do not know... instead I am going to pretend like I have a clue what is going on with my reality...

Because I have amnesia of my past lives, the past, as described in books (whether alternative, mainstream, any book) means absoloutely nothing to me. I'm INCREDIBLY vulnerable right now as I am operating on a low level of consciousness and have no memory before this life. The ancient texts give me the same amount of knowledge as the new spirituality books - and that is 0 knowledge. They only give me ideas on how things might be. Knowledge can only come from experience. Chris, go through, in your mind, all the things you take for granted as "knowledge." You could go for days about all the things that you have been telling yourself you know when you really don't... it's a great possibility that if so much as 1 of those things turns out to be false then everything could tumble down... just like that one game... damnit I can't think of it right now lol.

Like I said earlier, although I am very suspicious of researchers they do give me ideas. According to Michael Tsarion, the earth has been a dark place for about 50,000 years. According to Peter Farley, this area of the universe has been under Lucifer's control for even longer. Peter Farley also says that Buddha was the 4th incarnation of Lucifer and Jesus was the fifth! Again it's not knowledge but it makes you think "what if." And when you think that then you become just as mistrustful of 10,000 year old text as you do to David Icke's new book. Even if the new authors have good intentions, they still might be basing their opinions on thousands of years of lies... and the same could be said for the ancient authors. That's why I'm putting down the books, videos, etc... and moving on to my next step which is finding it out for myself.

[tinmenace]

Everyone has a truth within them. My truth is unique to me, and yours is unique to you.

I think that to institutionalize it or to make it generic for all, is to move away from the truth.

We can learn about ourselves by listening to others talk about themselves, but I believe that it is a mistake to make their beliefs (their truths) our beliefs.

There may be similarities, but it will never be identical. You may find that one person's words/music/voice/work will resonate more with you than another. That's great, but if there is no resonance, then it's not for you.

Just my 2 cents.

[chris]

For right now I am not going to remain true to my recent thread where I stated a bunch of things I do not know... instead I am going to pretend like I have a clue what is going on with my reality...

Because I have amnesia of my past lives, the past, as described in books (whether alternative, mainstream, any book) means absoloutely nothing to me. I'm INCREDIBLY vulnerable right now as I am operating on a low level of consciousness and have no memory before this life. The ancient texts give me the same amount of knowledge as the new spirituality books - and that is 0 knowledge. They only give me ideas on how things might be. Knowledge can only come from experience. Chris, go through, in your mind, all the things you take for granted as "knowledge." You could go for days about all the things that you have been telling yourself you know when you really don't... it's a great possibility that if so much as 1 of those things turns out to be false then everything could tumble down... just like that one game... damnit I can't think of it right now lol.

Like I said earlier, although I am very suspicious of researchers they do give me ideas. According to Michael Tsarion, the earth has been a dark place for about 50,000 years. According to Peter Farley, this area of the universe has been under Lucifer's control for even longer. Peter Farley also says that Buddha was the 4th incarnation of Lucifer and Jesus was the fifth! Again it's not knowledge but it makes you think "what if." And when you think that then you become just as mistrustful of 10,000 year old text as you do to David Icke's new book. Even if the new authors have good intentions, they still might be basing their opinions on thousands of years of lies... and the same could be said for the ancient authors. That's why I'm putting down the books, videos, etc... and moving on to my next step which is finding it out for myself.

Your talking about knowledge for knowledge's sake. I don't care for this knowledge. Even though there is much evidence of an advanced prehistoric (mainstream at least) civilisation, I don't know nor do I really want to know the minute details about it, nor do I care really if it existed at all. Whether knowledge is gained from Channelling or historical relics, it doesn't bother me, it’s nothing I can use, dead information.

The knowledge I am more interested in is the application of knowledge in other words, wisdom...Let's say if I read about an old gnostic meditation that produces visions and communion with the soul and then I decide to try it and it works, then that particular group will get a plus on my book. Let's say if I am told that during ascent an unaffiliated moon in Cancer, I am able to make contact with the Luna energies (modern psychological terms) and I try it and it works; then that scores another in my books. If I am told that I was to distil wine several times until I see a murk (or poison) drifting on the top and then it does and this wine gives interesting health benefits then it's another plus in my books. If some guy tells me that Buddha was the fourth incarnation of Lucifer then how am I supposed to validate it? I am talking about personal science, not dead knowledge.

If however, someone proves themselves time and time again then I will start to trust this person with the more difficult to prove theories, but I still take them with a grain of salt. This is how science was during the renaissance until the age of enlightenment when impersonal science took over.

I am just telling you that there is a lot of interesting info out there which is quite untouched and that a lot of people really don't like going this route because it's big but nevertheless, I can still point it out.

[devin]

Your talking about knowledge for knowledge's sake. I don't care for this knowledge. Even though there is much evidence of an advanced prehistoric (mainstream at least) civilisation, I don't know nor do I really want to know the minute details about it, nor do I care really if it existed at all. Whether knowledge is gained from Channelling or historical relics, it doesn't bother me, it’s nothing I can use, dead information.

I take it that you meant "knowledge for knowledge's sake" as another way of saying "dead information" which you also referred to it as... "Information" is the appropriate term but why call it "dead?" Why the attitude of "if I can't prove it then it is useless to me?" All this "dead information" is ideas, potentials. Ideas and potentials to get you thinking, to explore, to steer you on a unique path that no other being has ever walked before. There is no soul in any universe that is all-knowing, hence the reason why you, me and everyone else currently exist as seperate forms on this 3-D plane. The more we learn, the more the father learns because we are fragments of that one soul exploring the mystery of itself. ( I don't know that but the ideas and potentials that you call dead information guided me to that belief... that's what resonates most with me SO FAR.)

The knowledge I am more interested in is the application of knowledge in other words, wisdom...Let's say if I read about an old gnostic meditation that produces visions and communion with the soul and then I decide to try it and it works, then that particular group will get a plus on my book. Let's say if I am told that during ascent an unaffiliated moon in Cancer, I am able to make contact with the Luna energies (modern psychological terms) and I try it and it works; then that scores another in my books. If I am told that I was to distil wine several times until I see a murk (or poison) drifting on the top and then it does and this wine gives interesting health benefits then it's another plus in my books. If some guy tells me that Buddha was the fourth incarnation of Lucifer then how am I supposed to validate it? I am talking about personal science, not dead knowledge.

This is just another potential : Buddha was Lucifer and his agenda was to keep souls in the lower worlds where he reigns supreme. Infinite potentials are a way to protect us if you think about it and also to make it where we have the ability to create what we desire. It's all about desire. Maybe just the fact that we think that Buddha was Lucifer and he is only going to lead us to a false heaven is a way for our thoughts to go even higher to create an even better place than the current HIGHEST place. Is their any limit to how happy and pleasurable a place can be? Or terrible? Does it continue to become greater throughout eternity?

And I do agree with you about those books. If they guide you to discover your own truth then keep reading them... Just don't get trapped into limited thinking which I believe the more ancient teachings tend to get people to do. If I mix quantum physics, new spirituality, new ways of thinking in the pot then I feel more safe.


If however, someone proves themselves time and time again then I will start to trust this person with the more difficult to prove theories, but I still take them with a grain of salt. This is how science was during the renaissance until the age of enlightenment when impersonal science took over.

This is what I was trying to tell you. You don't know that this is how science was during the renaissance period. You learned that from books.

[chris]

We need a canon for what I'm trying to put across because in philosophy we can contradict the person time and time again until we get into the buddhist conundrums of 'there not being a reality' and get absolutely no where...I am not at odds with what your saying but then again I don't need a lecture on me being attached to what I'm trying to put across because I believe it to be relevant to the ideas I am trying to put across (namely the traditional viewpiont). I am not saying it’s best for you, I’m saying there’s a lot more out there than you might think if you look back behind the coverup.

What I am talking about is very worldly, for instance if I am looking for health information then I am not looking for the history of the pacemaker, I am looking for what will get me healthy. I would call the history of the pacemaker dead information in this regard. I'm not saying the history of the pacemaker might not help someone who is interested in the history of the pacemaker:(

I'll give a few examples of what I mean to be debased teachings...

Firstly in the meditation forum you can see an 'old gnostic meditation' thread, if you read it you will see what I point out is the exact opposite of NLP. The Gnostic meditation retrieves unconscious stimuli and makes it conscious, whereas the NLP philosophy will take conscious stimuli and put it in the background. This is an example of the psychological changes of philosophy.

Another example would be that in traditional astrology, there would be less input but much more analysis of the data, whereas in modern there is a lot more input (depending on whoever's philosophy you decide to go with) and far less analysis, in fact the only real afflictions in modern jungian astrology is mercury retrograde and moon void of course, which everyone fears but the truth is that because psychology took over astrology, it became euphemistic and mercury retro and moon void of course don't sound that scary...In traditional however, there are lots of afflictions and if you want to use it to meditate with then modern will fail you time and time again. I prey to god that this thread doesn’t turn into debating astrology (this is just an example)...

However all I am saying is that when people are looking for spiritual stuff then there is a whole other world out there which is pretty much lost to newage psychological thinking and the newage’s take on it is either completely debased or missing chunks out entirely. I am not dogmatically preaching any traditional gospel nor am I saying which is better, just look and judge for yourself.

[geewhizz]

Chris

You certainly got me thinking here...."the astral body goes nowhere" etc etc. I would say that its the physical body(at this time only what is going through the change) what is most important in all of this.

Its like tying up the ends, finishing the last race, jumping the last hurdle.

The physical body is slowly disappearing and with this the other subtle ones too. For the ones who are experiancing this they will know deep down its simply because of this....

The higher self is taking the physical bodies place in all dimensions INCLUDING 3D

[lenejento]

There is no higher self, there is no ascension per se, we are ascended in the state we are in now which is unatural, ascended from our true and natural nature, how can we ascend into something that is natural, grow into something that is natural?

[geewhizz]

There is no higher self, there is no ascension per se, we are ascended in the state we are in now which is unatural, ascended from our true and natural nature, how can we ascend into something that is natural, grow into something that is natural?


does not seem viable to me, dont understand where your coming from. How can we ascend into an unatural vibration?

Its all about balance

[popeye11]

Everyone has a truth within them. My truth is unique to me, and yours is unique to you.

I think that to institutionalize it or to make it generic for all, is to move away from the truth.

We can learn about ourselves by listening to others talk about themselves, but I believe that it is a mistake to make their beliefs (their truths) our beliefs.

There may be similarities, but it will never be identical. You may find that one person's words/music/voice/work will resonate more with you than another. That's great, but if there is no resonance, then it's not for you.

Just my 2 cents.




Tinmenace, we seem to have a lot in common. IMO, truth is relative to each and every one of us. I believe this is a make believe world that we create as we move through it. One person's truth is no more valid than another's and these "truths" seem to be changing contantly and faster as we speak.
There is consenses reality that most seem to buy into and so create what the christians are calling armegedon, but I see it as a big shift in consciousness. I live in SoCal and see horrid devastation all around me and as horrid as it can be, "change" appears to be the biggie. And these changes are speeding up and I believe we will be in a whole different world when we have had enough and begin to except ourselves and take responsibility for ourselves.
Yes, it is very painful to see this, but change is change and if the majority of people want to create chaos to bring about this change then this is up to them.

Love

Popeye

[lenejento]

does not seem viable to me, dont understand where your coming from. How can we ascend into an unatural vibration?

Its all about balance

Through conditioning. Would you say humans are acting in a natural way? No, we are currently ascended into an unatural unsustainable state, which will eventually destroy humanity if we were not to realize our true, natural self.

[seer74]

There is no such thing as "progress" the way to arrive is to KNOW that you were Liberated all along. Then you are awakened.