Astrology? have we been all hoodwinked?

[shades_of_gray]

Well i've studied astrology for 30 years but now think its been a complete waste of time considering what i know now.

Take for instance the symbols or glyphs they use to represent planets...the sun symbol is the dot in the circle and is universally accepted to be the symbol of our sun but if you do abit of research you find that it actually represents saturn...so ground control we have abit of a problem here,dont you agree?

But it doesnt stop there...the symbol for jupiter is actually the glyph of saturn..likewise the symbol for pluto the dot in the cresent can also be the symbol for saturn...so are we subconciously being manipulated to divert attention solely to saturn...? yes the word sol-el-y:)

[fishonwheels]

I see.

Yea that's unfortunate but so far they're representation errors.

But please, tell us more.

What have you found about aspects, houses, and what not???

I seriously would like to know.

[fishonwheels]

OH sheeit how did you get banned so fast???

[tarant8l]

2010-Nov-22 00:00 Lib
2010-Nov-23 00:00 Lib
2010-Nov-24 00:00 Sco
2010-Nov-25 00:00 Sco
2010-Nov-26 00:00 Sco
2010-Nov-27 00:00 Sco
2010-Nov-28 00:00 Sco
2010-Nov-29 00:00 Sco
2010-Nov-30 00:00 Sco
2010-Dec-01 00:00 Oph
2010-Dec-02 00:00 Oph

[lordofangels]

Lunar Data for Thursday, 27 May, 2010

Apparent geocentric position
Right ascension 15h 52m 22s
Declination-23° 42' 27"
Range383,283 km
Constellation Scorpius (http://www.heavens-above.com/constellation.aspx?lat=54.992&lng=-1.429&alt=1&loc=South+Shields&TZ=GMT&con=Sco)

Appearance
Diameter31.18'Illumination of disk100%
Libration in longitude 5.008°
Libration in latitude4.475°
http://www.heavens-above.com/moonchart.asp?sz=220&Epoch=40325.5448611111
Appearance of the Moon,
celestial north is upwards.

The above is from Hevens Above website http://www.heavens-above.com/
What really Happens is...

The full moon enters Ophiuchus not Scorpius...
The website stated this only this morning,
and has now changed to the above.
This website is used by pro astrology people.

Full Moon enters the hidden 13th sign
Watch the shit start to happen from Thurs night
or early Fri morning.

[tarant8l]

The Moon normally enters many other constellations. The Sun enters only 16 of them. There are only 16 ascendants, but 22 zodiacal stations in all. That is for starters. later on complications issue. watch out for New Moon in Sextans and Corvus: WW3.

[anahata]

Full Moon enters the hidden 13th sign
Watch the shit start to happen from Thurs night
or early Fri morning.

Forgive me if this sounds daft but is the 13th sign associated with the so called 'witching hour'?

Do you know how long the moon will be under this influence?

[stag watson]

Yes a waste of time it is.Along time ago they took the Reality of Reincarnation out of the world.It is you who choose your Parents and time of birth.Most people are back here within 7 years.The lines on your Hands and Feet are the impressions from your last life,all the mistakes you made for your part,where it's at, so to say, undoubtebly as you were dragged out screaming in agony these are made.The mind is a polished mirror with Two witnesses,two hands and feet.These are the fundamentals and the Essentials of Existance.So we see in the end that all of these world's ,Astrology ,Palmistry, Predictions ,they are misdirecting us and ultimately covering up vast parts of us,as life time continuity is a VERY potent force.

[alphabet]

You say astrology is misdirecting us, yet you claim that we choose our time of birth - which is the basis for our life ahead in terms of astrology.

Yes, you have all been hoodwinked - by astrologers who teach you in the wrong way.

[stag watson]

You say astrology is misdirecting us, yet you claim that we choose our time of birth - which is the basis for our life ahead in terms of astrology.

Yes, you have all been hoodwinked - by astrologers who teach you in the wrong way.

In terms of astrology i'm sure it is.But in terms of why you come to this world ie;
Freedom it's all pretty irrelevent.The Fact that you've been born is the basis for your life ahead.

[tarant8l]

1 natal ascendant 1 zodiac4all. Now, there is one source only for your natal ascendant. Namely, much as sources never abounded around year 1776, the less they are available today.

Once you stop nicknaming anyone having no idea as to the position of the Sun an "astrologer", the sources will open and you will know your natal ascendant. Source:
http://lulu.com/astrology

Ask him or her to sort of calculate the present ascending constellation, show him or her to the balcony, point at east and have both a heartly laugh: nothing is there as they "think"

Knowledge requires no language at all. The lack of any requires many. http://lulu.com/astrology

The planetary zodiacs are not the same. As we are experiencing the Age of Pegasus
within the AEon of Cetus, Venus is in Pegasus while Uranus dwells in Cetus. Source:
http://lulu.com/astrology

The 22 zodiacal stations + 16 ascendants are nothing new: people just need to get
rid of flat earth and stomp into some real skies. All the 22 zodiacal and 16/88
ascendental stations are clearly visible by naked eye in the real skies. In order to
believe in 12 ascendants you must have been born in a woodsy area: but the stars
are visible even in the Amazons. Quote from Digest: http://lulu.com/astrology home of
the Academic Zodiac (1974 – 1992)

There never were any astrologers at all, as Yahweh clearly points towards
precession in CINGVLA ORIONIS, the birth of the Vedas and Age of O5iris. The
closest simplified kindergarten models of the zodiac for the lowest caste were
allegedly perhaps known to Brahma, Enoch and that Petosiris. We had Hipparchus
only, but not a single astrologer ever. http://lulu.com/astrology

As the American white settlers never had any zodiac or Masonry proper at the time,
their ascendant was calculated as Serpens Cauda for Philadelphia. Clearly, much as
then, there are no astrologers now that can calculate an ascendant, particularly
national ascendant. Source: Reptilian Ascendant of the U.S.A.:
http://lulu.com/astrology

Much as a Phobos-centric horoscope is useful in some aspects of Jungian analysis,
so a Venus-centric horoscope discovers aspects of one's emotional life as invisible to
its earthbound counterpart. Astrology is normally computed from e.g. such NASA
mining objectives as Cruithne: horoscopes are calculated from spacecraft, centaurs,
comet chunks. Hundreds of horoscopes were calculated and published for off-world
locations. The same system that calculates e.g. underwater horoscopes for a
seaquake also computes local zodiac scanning for any space area on the go. Source:
Planetocentric Astrology http://lulu.com/astrology

[kiwimaj]

I find astrology fascinating and it can be very accurate as a tool for helping you understand people. I have been into it for over 30 years and it never ceases to amaze me how accurately you can tell a person's character from their date/time of birth.

Just my opinion.

:)

[fishonwheels]

What bothers me about astrology is though I see its' influence in my life I don't know why it should work.

and since my chart looks so afflicted I'd prefer if i eventually transcend the influences.

Perhaps there are many levels of the "matrix" above the most basic shared reality and astrological forces originate from those levels?

[asteroid_astrologer]

Mathematical Probability can be used to prove that Astrology is true.

Carl Payne Tobey analyzed the charts of all German spies caught in the United States. More than 80% had Sagittarius Sun. If Astrology was rubbish, only 8% should have had a Sagittarius Sun.

So many statistical proofs have been given by Tobey. Isaac Newton applied Astrology too, he would not touch it if he found problems with it.

Here is a food for thought. Study the major turning points in any person's life. The maximum number occur on or after age 29 and a half, this is when Saturn completes the first cycle.

A well known case is Hitler, it was in October 1918 that he temporarily became blinded, recovered and became convinced to "Save Germany". Hitler completed 29 years during April 1918.

Indian Cricket Captain Dhoni has become a demi god in his 30th year AFTER his Saturn Return got over by a few days. He received a 30 million pound ad contract, got married and also won the world cup through sheer luck before he turns 30.

Brock Lesnar ruled WWE for years but changed his life during Saturn Return to K1 promotions, and then went on to UFC. His cases against WWE were closed just around his 29th birthday.

The very talented John Cena was able to release his first movie "The Marine" only after his Saturn Return.

Indian cricket legend Azharduddin suffered ignominious defeats in his Saturn Rteurn year till it was complete, and a few weeks before his 30th birthday, his life changed as his team blasted a superior English squad, and Azharduddin went on to become one of the most successful Indian cricket captains.

Old English great Douglas Jardine was offered his first captaincy only after his Saturn return was completed in 1930.

Modern great Michael Vaughan started his firstfull series test captaincy at age 29, and after some hiccups, 2004 [his Saturn return completion year] saw the full fledged resurgence of English Test cricket.

For some legends this period becomes a negative turning point. Cricket legend Andrew Flintoff's career threatening knee injury started after age 29.

Rahul Dravid suffered similar injuries during his Saturn return year.


Those who are ignorant of Astrology miss out the most powerful knowledge known to Mankind but the most pitiable are those who reject Astrology after learning it. What a waste of life to learn Astrology and then get tricked into thinking that it does not work. That too after 30 years [One Saturn Cycle], it means all good karmas have been used up and Saturn has perverted the Mind to create the conditions for ignominy.

[fishonwheels]

asteroid astrologer,
regards.

I'm salivating in anticipation for your thread on nessus.

for now I'll throw out a few objections skeptics might throw at your points.

Carl Payne Tobey analyzed the charts of all German spies caught in the United States. More than 80% had Sagittarius Sun. If Astrology was rubbish, only 8% should have had a Sagittarius Sun.

8% of those in the general population should have sun in sag, but German spies caught in US might not have represented the general pop. There might be another reason.

You also could explain "saturn returns" as a "late 20's crisis" of some sort as people realize they'll soon enter their 30's.

However you and I have looked into it and realized there was something definitely to astrology. I'm constantly shocked at my natal progressions synchronizing with internal and external events; second to that are the effects of transits (the last full moon was across my 3rd-9th with a stellium in 3rd along with retrograde mercury right about to enter my 2nd. can you guess what happened half an hour before the full moon?). and of course natal signs aspects and houses all say something to be sure.

Since my chart is rather harsh I hope I can one day out grow its influences. I think what happens, if you buy into the whole "personal vibration" thing, is that depending on your "rate of vibration" at the time, an influence can play out harshly as an abrasive event or it can be more lightly felt and psychological. So maybe this is the way the influences can be "transcended," by "vibrating higher" than the level of the "matrix" that astrological influences project from (ty montalk). God knows just how high that is. Then maybe the "lessons" don't have to be rough?

That said squares are inherently abrasive and disharmonious oh man, they're in your face. I hope you expand on the squares section on your site. Every square I see in a chart is just SO obvious knowing the person while I often can't detect their trines from behaviors. I have to look hard to see their trines operating in their lives.

So does it mean that squares are "low vibe" while trines are "high vibe?" I don't know. I hope not.

BTW, I'm geo-centric grand cross, helio-centric grand trine.

Done any heliocentric work? that's another area of very little literature.

[lizzyking]

and since my chart looks so afflicted I'd prefer if i eventually transcend the influences.





"Don't need no astrology it's inside of you and me"

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[asteroid_astrologer]

Dear Fision,
I can assure you that once you have realized that you can overcome your harsh aspects, there is no stopping you from Spiritual Evolution.

When we have a harsht transit activated, those in the matrix who are not aware of their Soul will provoke us. When we consciously and compassionately choose not to react to provocation and mentally conenct to our HIgher Self to forgive the provoker, we get off the Karmic Wheel. We deactivate a karmic debt's peundulum effect. When we forgive and prya for others, we burn off mor debts and attract positives from our thoughts. A combinatin of this activity and something called "Emotional Release" work allows us to vibrate at very high frequencies and help make the chart negativity null and void, or atleast minimal.

I have more surprises than just Nessus lined up for this forum.

Yesterday, I found out that Asteroid Kaali appears to be rocking in every American President's chart. 15/17 so far have a valid Kaali conjunction. Another 26 for me to analyze.

[ragnarok]

If I post my astrological chart, will someone give me an interpretation?

[asteroid_astrologer]

Go for it my friend, I am ready to give up to a hundred free snapshot readings to members of this forum. Have given hundreds already in Star Seed forums.

Just knowing the essence of your Sun, Moon, Ascendant along with the karmic debts indicated by Saturn and Nodes is enough to transform your life.

[ragnarok]

Cheers, aa. See what you make of this. :)
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x171/CJOKUSAP/scan.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

You need to be an expert astronomer to get the most out of it.

I can't believe astrology is an exact science as some believe.

Just look at all the stars and planets.... so difficult to even read the positions of these,( maybe scientists who study space can to a certain extent) let alone predict with certainty the effects they have upon us.

the average Joe cannot track the movements of the major planets let alone observe what's going on with the sun, without having to refer to reports made by NASA etc.

Although when considering the size of the stars, the planets and sun, maybe they have some effect on the earth and the humans plants and animals of earth.

I think it's more to do with faith. Besides we have more than one calender, the chinese for example.

[eternal_spirit]

I tried to understand but it all got a bit compilcated for me. :D

Too many variables and possibilities and cannot really be considered accurate. The more you look into it the more obvious this is. Although I maybe wrong.

Astronomy is the real science behind astrology.

The ancient priesthoods would use the stars as a guide for what time of year it was. And would know when to plant seeds and how long it would take for them to have a healthy crop.

This would appear as magic to the people, who would not know when to plant their seeds etc, thus their crops would fail, or not be as fruitful.

They would then believe that the priesthood has power over the fertility/nature deities giving them the power to grow crops, thus superstitious beliefs about the stars were born. The people may then convert to the Priesthoods religion after witnessing such acts of faith.

Those who practice magic rituals dependant on astrological influences would of course disagree, but there maybe an allegory or symbolic meaning behind this.

The Priesthood could predict an eclipse of the sun or moon, but claim to the people that it was the priesthood's magic that blocked out the sun or moon.

And they would ask the people to make donations/money, or worship the priesthoods Gods etc (each planet being associated with a deity) The priests would then pretend to perform magic to bring back the sun!

There's famous story about a Portuguese man who was over in America and to prove his magic was more powerful than the tribes priests he said he'd block out the sun. Of course he knew when the eclipse would happen, but the tribal people didn't.

[ragnarok]

I'd be far more impressed if the priests didn't actually believe the bs they were peddling, which seems too often to be the case.

[asteroid_astrologer]

Hi Ragnarok,
Virgo Ascendant with Cancer Sun is an excellent combination: Canny Mind, will pay attention to details, will be cautious and critically analyze matters BUT this Pisces Moon in 7th, that is not going to let you climb the corporate ladder easily. And Saturn in 6th as well. These two aspects will stress on service, support for the downtrodden and die-hard support for the underdog.

Pisces Moon in 7th is also hazardous for partnerships, there are too many chances that you will be used in relationships, and your gentleness abused/taken advantage of. Luckily, Jupiter in 7th will mitigate some of these effects.

Sun is in 11th and Mars in 10th Gemini, you have a chance of becoming famous through communication: Writing, Oratory, Websites, Radio Shows or even as an expert stringed musician in rare cases. Neptune in third supports communication of esoteric/spiritual topics.

Biggest weakness is insecurity/pessimism.
Strength: Venus in first square Mars is an "IT" Factor for you to chamr yourself into a successful situation once you overcome inertia. Plus that Mercury trine Moon in Water Signs is veru conducive for developing ESP skills.

[ragnarok]

Sorry about the delayed response - I'm easily distracted. :)

That sounds like a fairly favourable mini-reading. At least you didn't find anything that would qualify me for your "psychopaths & astrology" thread! :)

Say you were given the birthcharts of an ordinary Joe who died achieving nothing memorable and another of someone famous, but not that famous you know who it is by the birthdate - would you be able to tell them apart every time, or most of the time?

ps. I don't really mean "famous", I mean successful or accomplished.

[andy89lion]

Someone do me please- would be greatly apppreciated.

:cool:

http://api.tarot.com//natal_chart.php?mon=8&day=4&year=1989&hour=4&min=00&ampm=PM&city_id=1630216&latlon=56.0667+-3.48333&scheme=classical

http://www.tarot.com/astrology/chartwheel/birthchart.php?report_id=85600&user_id=12510699&reading_id=155350236&scheme=classical

[asteroid_astrologer]

Hi Ragnarok,

"Say you were given the birthcharts of an ordinary Joe who died achieving nothing memorable and another of someone famous, but not that famous you know who it is by the birthdate - would you be able to tell them apart every time, or most of the time?"

I would get around 70%-75% of these right, that too only if the selections are random and with exact birth time. Fame is a 11th House matter, those with Saturn in 11th or 5th rarely achieve fame,success, luck, and certainly not before age 30.

If some blokes through sheer will power and strain have got there with these aspects, and you give me their charts, i would get it wrong :)

I am very good with sociopaths and psychopathic charts though. I insisted to one client that the boyfriend is a sociopath though, she learned the hard way a few weeks later and is now taking Nessus aspects very seriously. Just one or two Nessus afflictions are not enough to indicate a man is a psychopath. The exact birth time matters plus the genetics. There has been no Chinese or Bangladeshi or Spanish version of Ted Bundy born on that same day. This is because Bundy has certain reptilian DNA codes that were programmed Astrally to incite the urge to kill young women. It was a sophisticated demonic sacrifice ritual using Bundy as a vessel. If Bundy had been counselled as a teenager by an astrologer who knew about Nessus, he would not have committed murder. He would have merely acted out the fantasies in his head itself or by watching snuff movies/snuff porn.

Ultimately, a chart shows our potential. How we beat the karmic tugs and "inspiration" of planets to create a predictable response from you, that is the challenge. The Adept rises above each and every natal chart aspect by paying off the maximum karmic debts.

[asteroid_astrologer]

Hi Andy,

Intensity is an impulse, almost to a "chick magnet" level, coupled with confidence or a confident appearance. Instant perception is a gift.

Truth seeking is a passion, finances will be a roller coaster till age 30 even though career, employment and willingness to work hard and do a good job are not an issue. Intelligence levels are also quite high.

Never speculate. No "get rich quick" schemes will work for you.

As per old school astrology, there may have been a tragedy related to mother or maternal side early in life.

[fishonwheels]

Andy,

Without birth time and birth place I can't do very much, and an amateur like me just hasn't seen enough charts and heard enough stories so if my pop astrology is totally off, don't dismiss astrology yet.

so now, assuming you're living close to your place of birth.....

At first glance you come across as a private person, maybe even icy. There's a certain mystery about you. You can be quite charming and easy going. "Sensitive," even. Yes, quite magnetic indeed

You could be attracted to occult philosophies. You might have dabbled in things like ouja board, spiritism, hallucinogenics, or have a fasination with guys like Aleister Crowley, Jack Whiteside Parsons, etc etc. If you don't, you probably will.

You're a fairly indepedant person and you prefer to rely on your own efforts and be recognized for them. if i was you I wouldn't go it all alone though. You seem to have good luck teaming up with others.

If physically fit you could be very good at construction or trades. You almost certainly have the dexterity and mental aptitudes.

If not bad looking you could get lots of ass, and if you're straight you like your women down to earth. You're probably into these yoga, fitness, tofu, massage therapy, homeopathy, wiccan, sexual healing chicks that look like veterinarians, librarians, or something like that. If you don't know you're into them yet I suggest you try them.

You probably recently came out of a period of financial uncertainty during which you worked quite hard.

*for an amateur astrologer, it works better to know a person then study their chart to determine motivation. Personality astrology is not all there is either.

I am very good with sociopaths and psychopathic charts though. I insisted to one client that the boyfriend is a sociopath though, she learned the hard way a few weeks later and is now taking Nessus aspects very seriously. Just one or two Nessus afflictions are not enough to indicate a man is a psychopath. The exact birth time matters plus the genetics. There has been no Chinese or Bangladeshi or Spanish version of Ted Bundy born on that same day. This is because Bundy has certain reptilian DNA codes that were programmed Astrally to incite the urge to kill young women. It was a sophisticated demonic sacrifice ritual using Bundy as a vessel. If Bundy had been counselled as a teenager by an astrologer who knew about Nessus, he would not have committed murder. He would have merely acted out the fantasies in his head itself or by watching snuff movies/snuff porn.

Ultimately, a chart shows our potential. How we beat the karmic tugs and "inspiration" of planets to create a predictable response from you, that is the challenge. The Adept rises above each and every natal chart aspect by paying off the maximum karmic debts.

Did you hear about the boyfriend first or did you know he was psychopathic just looking at his chart? Cuz I do have that nasty, tight grand cross I told you about (lucifer-lilith-mercury-mars-nessus-saturn and pluto if you allow a four degree orb).

Oh, fascinating bit about Bundy's DNA. Could you go into a few more details?

[lesleypumpshaft]

Great thread, you really know your stuff asteroid astrologer, what are your views on Horary Astrology? I'm just asking as I am studying it at the moment. I wanted to see what traditional astrology is all about after having faffed around with modern natal stuff for a bit. In a year or so I hope to be able to do Horary for people.

I feel a bit sheepish asking this as I can read my own chart, but can I get a quick 2nd opinion from you? Is it possible to master my scattered energy do you think?

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=6gffile3RoAec-u1293180263&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=1&nho2=1&btyp=2&mth=gw&sday=6&smon=2&syr=2011&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=2&ano=1&ast=

[curtaincat]

I have tried to do astrology, but then after a while , I got really cross and chucked most of my books out!

This is for Ragnorak.

From what I can understand from your chart.

You are Cancer ( obviously) , born in the 11th House - type of person really interested in helping people.

Mercury shows you are very good at communicating, - again .. obvious.

Moon - shows your feminine side - again .. very good at communicating.

Oohh, shows you are a decent person, from what I can tell.

I got fed up with stuff a while ago, but this is my lil bit to contribute :)

Lesley is better than she makes out... I would listen to her! :cool:

[asteroid_astrologer]

Dear Lesley,
It helps being a pioneer and thinking "out of the box" :)
I am one of the few professional astrologers who "knows" that much of what David Icke and other truthers/whistleblowers say is true. I have in depth awareness of the occult, though I stay away from the practice.
My grandfather has done white magick rituals that defied any science. I have seen this work. I have the testimony of many Indian occultists, and so much of what Icke and others talk of as "human sacrifices" is documented in eastern texts as "Nara Bali". The art of Human Sacrifice. This is done again using specific astrological transits, mostly New Moons. Why would these experts on the Astral use astrology if it did not work? Astrology is so deep. There are Kabbalists who use transits to Fixed Stars to make Talismans. There are adepts who extract alkaloids from herbal plants at a specific transit, and use this for Alchemical transformation/rejuvenation. When I investigate deeper, I find there are good and bad "Genii" governing the 360 degrees, ready to make contracts [very dangerous] during specific astrological aspects to perform select tasks. The great Franz Bardon has documented them.

The legendary Vimalananda described exactly how Astrology works in his book Aghora 1,2 and 3 [written by Robert Svoboda]. It is not the gravity, but the Etheric Effect of actual Ethereal Beings whose consciousness is so powerful that they need to manifest as planets. Greater Beings inhabit Stars, and even greater than them are Rishis who are the Consciousness of what we see as Constellations and Galaxies. All all these terrific Beings connect to the Infinite Consciousness of God.

Let me create a new thread to consolidate the snapshot readings. I will post my comments on your chart there.

Hi Fishonwheels,
I came to know seeing the chart itself that the boyfriend was dangerous to her specifically. His chart showed the probability of sociopathy [Sun in 6th afflicted, Nessus square Derjanira exact], and his synastry showed he would abuse her [Composite Saturn conj Pluto, his Nessus on her Ascendant]. I have been guided to save many girls from distress and some have lamented that they did not get to know this stuff before as they suffered abuse, and were horror struck to see the aspects researched by my team of Asteroid junkies. When a man's Pluto squares a girl's Moon and this combines with his Nessus square her Venus or her Dejanira, she is likely to get physically abused at one point in the relationship.
Emotional abuse is 95% guaranteed, the rare cases being a Man who knows his Yoga and considers women to be the embodiment of a goddess or Divine Feminine. Such a saint cannot abuse any girl even if there are squares from every planet in his chart to hers.

[fishonwheels]

Lesley, nice chart. Do I have to show you mine?

I never delved into horary. Maybe I'll ask you to read a few events for me some time.

asteroid astrologer,

I have no doubt in my mind about your findings, so I'll just try to explain them as well as the anomolies:

1. abusive people can not handle baddie afflictions.
2. people abused/disatisfied in relationships seek more counsel.
3. non-astrological variables can mitigate astrological ones.
4. I am a saintly being with a psychopathic chart.:D

If the above don't fly then....

When a man's Pluto squares a girl's Moon and this combines with his Nessus square her Venus or her Dejanira, she is likely to get physically abused at one point in the relationship.

since nessus has an orbital period of 122.4 years, and pluto 248 years, if we use a three degree orb she's likely to be battered by all men born within that two year period.

If we can confirm this using randomized statistical methods on a large sample it will be earth shattering.

[lesleypumpshaft]

Dear Lesley,
It helps being a pioneer and thinking "out of the box" :)
I am one of the few professional astrologers who "knows" that much of what David Icke and other truthers/whistleblowers say is true. I have in depth awareness of the occult, though I stay away from the practice.
My grandfather has done white magick rituals that defied any science. I have seen this work. I have the testimony of many Indian occultists, and so much of what Icke and others talk of as "human sacrifices" is documented in eastern texts as "Nara Bali". The art of Human Sacrifice. This is done again using specific astrological transits, mostly New Moons. Why would these experts on the Astral use astrology if it did not work? Astrology is so deep. There are Kabbalists who use transits to Fixed Stars to make Talismans. There are adepts who extract alkaloids from herbal plants at a specific transit, and use this for Alchemical transformation/rejuvenation. When I investigate deeper, I find there are good and bad "Genii" governing the 360 degrees, ready to make contracts [very dangerous] during specific astrological aspects to perform select tasks. The great Franz Bardon has documented them.

The legendary Vimalananda described exactly how Astrology works in his book Aghora 1,2 and 3 [written by Robert Svoboda]. It is not the gravity, but the Etheric Effect of actual Ethereal Beings whose consciousness is so powerful that they need to manifest as planets. Greater Beings inhabit Stars, and even greater than them are Rishis who are the Consciousness of what we see as Constellations and Galaxies. All all these terrific Beings connect to the Infinite Consciousness of God.

Let me create a new thread to consolidate the snapshot readings. I will post my comments on your chart there.

Hi Fishonwheels,
I came to know seeing the chart itself that the boyfriend was dangerous to her specifically. His chart showed the probability of sociopathy [Sun in 6th afflicted, Nessus square Derjanira exact], and his synastry showed he would abuse her [Composite Saturn conj Pluto, his Nessus on her Ascendant]. I have been guided to save many girls from distress and some have lamented that they did not get to know this stuff before as they suffered abuse, and were horror struck to see the aspects researched by my team of Asteroid junkies. When a man's Pluto squares a girl's Moon and this combines with his Nessus square her Venus or her Dejanira, she is likely to get physically abused at one point in the relationship.
Emotional abuse is 95% guaranteed, the rare cases being a Man who knows his Yoga and considers women to be the embodiment of a goddess or Divine Feminine. Such a saint cannot abuse any girl even if there are squares from every planet in his chart to hers.

Interesting stuff indeed and I agree totally that the use of astrology extends to magik. That is one of the reasons I started studying traditional astrology and horary, because this was the first kind of astrology a student would learn, then natal, then electional and finally astrological magik. In the West at any rate.

I had a look at your site and the articles (which I enjoyed reading btw), asteroids are not something I know much about. As you say, astrology is a very deep subject, I did consider myself to be someone who had a lot of knowledge on the subject, but recently I have learnt new stuff which makes me realise that there is a hell of a lot I don't know! In fact, I think the deeper you go the more accurate it gets. However, it is not what you can predict or decipher about a person that I find amazing, it is the fact that it works at all!

Curtain Cat, since I have really started studying astrology I realise how many gaps I have in my knowledge :(

Fishonwheels, ask in about 8 months time and I should be able to do a horary for you :) There is a lot to learn before I am at that stage, it is a different way of looking at thing but the same - if that makes sense. Also, yes, can I see yours now pls? :)

[ragnarok]

I have tried to do astrology, but then after a while , I got really cross and chucked most of my books out!

This is for Ragnorak.

From what I can understand from your chart.

You are Cancer ( obviously) , born in the 11th House - type of person really interested in helping people.

Mercury shows you are very good at communicating, - again .. obvious.

Moon - shows your feminine side - again .. very good at communicating.

Oohh, shows you are a decent person, from what I can tell.

I got fed up with stuff a while ago, but this is my lil bit to contribute :)

Lesley is better than she makes out... I would listen to her! :cool:

Thanks for your "lil bit", curtaincat.

I've gotta admit, you're a great judge of character. :D

[curtaincat]

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Curtain Cat, since I have really started studying astrology I realise how many gaps I have in my knowledge :(
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Lesley, I would trust u far more than the newbie aa. ( no offence aa, but you are mentioning crazy things, lol )

[curtaincat]

Thanks for your "lil bit", curtaincat.

I've gotta admit, you're a great judge of character. :D

~Maybe , anything for a friend, lol :D:)

[fishonwheels]

Interesting stuff indeed and I agree totally that the use of astrology extends to magik. That is one of the reasons I started studying traditional astrology and horary, because this was the first kind of astrology a student would learn, then natal, then electional and finally astrological magik. In the West at any rate.

So i googled "traditional astrology" and found this. (http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/traditionalastrology.html)

Sounds like it mutated from vedic astrology which I've heard does far better with timing of concrete events. I never looked into either as they seemed quite complicated. Much, much to learn. Have you much success using it for predictions?

As far as modern personality astrology goes I've heard people can eventually outgrow natal influences. If I was to speculate I'd say older people have undergone more secondary progressions making them more well rounded.

I also read one article once can't remember by which astrologer who said she only ever saw one natal with a "star of david" and it belonged to a "severely retarded child." I don't think any modern astrologer would've guessed that from the pattern so modern astrology is obviously lacking in something and besides that we still have to factor in genetics, culture, nurture, free will, other metaphysical forces etc etc.

I think asteroid astrologer's work can certainly speed up our understanding of the newly discovered asteroids some of which have probably traveled a few degrees only since discovery. If nessus is consistently found with abuse then we're more sure what it signifies.

can I see yours now pls?

Sorry I shouldn't have even joked about it:D...I prefer to stay "clothed" for now as I feel fairly self conscious about my chart. Yours pretty. Mine ugly.:o

*I wonder if Andy enjoyed the pop reading....

[asteroid_astrologer]

Fishonwheels wrote:
"since nessus has an orbital period of 122.4 years, and pluto 248 years, if we use a three degree orb she's likely to be battered by all men born within that two year period."
Good point in another god post from you. In my research, the direct danger is when the orb from Pluto or Nessus [slow movers] is less than one degree. The thing is how many men from that range is she likely to meet when she and they are single? That reduces the probability.
Current psychiatric research states that only 1%-3% of men are Psychopaths.

When we have exact birth times, we can spot them easily using birth time.

The Ascendant and Moon are most important, being fast movers.

One psycho [his ex is a client] had Ascendant exactly square Nessus.
He had 4 more afflictions though.

Also fishonwheels, there are men with strong Nessus in the charts who become great cops and detectives. The bad guys more often than not have retrogrades [Mercury and Venus retro in so many cases], squares to the retrograde planets and so on. The dark Nessus aspect on top of all these is what acts as a confirmation test for a Sociopathic or Psychopathic nature.

BTW, I am not all doom and gloom, my Asteroid research also involves Soulmates and the money making helper asteroids like TYCHE and FORTUNA.

[rapunzel]

Who decided what these asteroids mean and on what basis?

[asteroid_astrologer]

Asteroids do not work like conventional planets. They work on the basis of "Name Frequency" or "Archetype Frequency" as believed by the collective consciousness of humanity.

Fortuna has been worshipped for centuries as a bringer of luck, and hence Asteroid Fortuna helps you see where you will be lucky in your chart.

Asteroid Nessus has the myth of the sexual assaulter, and hence helps us see whether a person has a predilection towards abuse.

[fishonwheels]

asteroid astrologer,

many points I'd like to raise regarding your last reply to me. I will be back to do just that.

for now though, what's your opinion on Saturn-venus synastry, in particular saturn in opposition to venus-chiron. Anyone else familiar with it through direct experience and chart reading?

thank you.

[93horus]

asteroid astrologer,

many points I'd like to raise regarding your last reply to me. I will be back to do just that.

for now though, what's your opinion on Saturn-venus synastry, in particular saturn in opposition to venus-chiron. Anyone else familiar with it through direct experience and chart reading?

thank you.

Yes I am.

I have Saturn (Saggitarius) opposite Venus (Gemini). And my Chiron is in Gemini.

All I can say is, it's been difficult to the extreme. In matters of love it has a distinct stifling effect in expression and if it isn't me (which it is 90%) it will be the other who mysteriously slips away.

I guess this is because Gemini (i.e Communication) is opposing Sagitarrius (i.e Expansion, Broadening horizons). Before I got into Astrology I was baffled by this opposition in my life, it's still a struggle but at least now I know the underling cause and I can at least attempt to make it better but psychologically its still a barrier that is there. I always remember being very anoxious and feeling a certain amount of guilt about love and because I grew up with a single parent and no siblings i was pretty clueless in social situations too.

As with all aspects to Saturn (Strictness, Limitations) they do literally get better with time, in fact i'm sure that saying came from someone with a Saturn Opposition/Square! Saturn returns approx every 7 years and that helps with the lifting of the veil when I look back from a Astrology point of view I can see how these portions of my life have actually made me stronger and i've not ended up making decisions that I may have later regretted as others may have done.

With Chiron (Healing) in Gemini (Communication) this has played out with me having a slight speach impediment, when I was an younger my mum sent me to a speach therapist because I had trouble saying my 'R's' think- Johathan Ross . However, I eventually got over this although not perfectly and i'm still subconsciously insucure when I do speak. Because of the extra effort I have had to make with my speach people often comment that I do come accross very graciously and speak very well but deep down I know that i'm very vunerable/socially akward it's a strange one, but I guess that is what Saturn/Chrion is all about, a learning curve?

[93horus]

Asteroids do not work like conventional planets. They work on the basis of "Name Frequency" or "Archetype Frequency" as believed by the collective consciousness of humanity.

Fortuna has been worshipped for centuries as a bringer of luck, and hence Asteroid Fortuna helps you see where you will be lucky in your chart.

Asteroid Nessus has the myth of the sexual assaulter, and hence helps us see whether a person has a predilection towards abuse.

Do you know of anywhere online to get ones asteroid positions? I only know the popular ones like Chiron, Vesta, Juno, Ceres, Pallas. Thankyou

[mrunhappy]

You need to be an expert astronomer to get the most out of it.

I can't believe astrology is an exact science as some believe.

Just look at all the stars and planets.... so difficult to even read the positions of these,( maybe scientists who study space can to a certain extent) let alone predict with certainty the effects they have upon us..


Many planets weren't even known about when astrology was first conceived. It's only Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (the planets visible from earth) that have been known for thousands of years.

Thus it isn't that complicated. And the precession of the equinoxes counts for little. Since your star sign is principally related to the season in which you were born. Seasons don't change much, though they vary from country to country.

So if you doubt that the season in which you were born could affect your personality, consider recent reseeach that suggests autistics are most likely to be concieved in March and born as capricorns in December. Is this a climate effect? Is there a tendency that capricorns are more inclined to be autistic? Or is this the result of seasonal (flu) vaccines given to the parent or child?

It's not an exact science, but Isaac Newton placed some faith in it. Like Isaac Newton I entertain the idea of astology, and I find I am a very typical capricorn. Further I can judge with some accuracy the astrological sign of people that I meet. Most people I find match their sign.

[fishonwheels]

Yes I am.

I have Saturn (Saggitarius) opposite Venus (Gemini). And my Chiron is in Gemini.

All I can say is, it's been difficult to the extreme. In matters of love it has a distinct stifling effect in expression and if it isn't me (which it is 90%) it will be the other who mysteriously slips away.

I guess this is because Gemini (i.e Communication) is opposing Sagitarrius (i.e Expansion, Broadening horizons). Before I got into Astrology I was baffled by this opposition in my life, it's still a struggle but at least now I know the underling cause and I can at least attempt to make it better but psychologically its still a barrier that is there. I always remember being very anoxious and feeling a certain amount of guilt about love and because I grew up with a single parent and no siblings i was pretty clueless in social situations too.

As with all aspects to Saturn (Strictness, Limitations) they do literally get better with time, in fact i'm sure that saying came from someone with a Saturn Opposition/Square! Saturn returns approx every 7 years and that helps with the lifting of the veil when I look back from a Astrology point of view I can see how these portions of my life have actually made me stronger and i've not ended up making decisions that I may have later regretted as others may have done.

With Chiron (Healing) in Gemini (Communication) this has played out with me having a slight speach impediment, when I was an younger my mum sent me to a speach therapist because I had trouble saying my 'R's' think- Johathan Ross . However, I eventually got over this although not perfectly and i'm still subconsciously insucure when I do speak. Because of the extra effort I have had to make with my speach people often comment that I do come accross very graciously and speak very well but deep down I know that i'm very vunerable/socially akward it's a strange one, but I guess that is what Saturn/Chrion is all about, a learning curve?

Ouch, that's a pretty eff'ed up natal venus you got, may i ask in which houses the opposition occurs??? Oh ya is uranus in Sag on your saturn by any chance? Last time i saw a chart with Sag saturn opp Gem chiron it sat right on their Asc-Dsc.

My own natal venus isn't so "afflicted," it's just right on chiron trine my ascendant unless you want to accept a three degree orb then its apex to a "yod" with neptune-pluto. In synastry however I've seen sat. opp. it a few times, and so far, it's played out in quite the same way. A family member actually has Sun-saturn-pluto forming a T-square to it. Their sun-sat-pluto was allergic to my ven-chi.

(my male planets are all bad ass but the female ones are way too soft. I'm like an american foot ball player with no jock strap so midgets in wheelchairs are like kryptonite to me).

What I know about "astrology" came through direct experiencing of my own chart and synastry aspects. I briefly looked into "magi astrology" before and they certainly have interesting things to say about Saturn-venus-chiron between charts. Like asteroid astrologer they have pretty firm convictions, I hope through countless chart readings.

Will be back.

[93horus]

The fact that my Venus is in the 12th house (Vaugeness, Suffering) don't exactly help either! Yes my Saturn, Uranus (Sagittarius) and Neptune (1st cusp Capricorn) are all in the 6th!

My Neptune is sextile to Pluto and forms a "finger of god" (Yod) pointing to Venus too.

Do you have much info on Yods? And what this Yod would mean for me? I heard they are known as the 'finger of fate' and thus have karmic implications

[fishonwheels]

Looks like you have the same yod as I do. Involving the same planets with the exception of chiron.

No, I do not know any more than you do about yods as most info on the web simply says "the apex is a highly critical and sensitive point." Also that the point opposite the apex thus forming a semi-sextile to the legs especially "activates" this whole configuration.

In your case, that's the saturn directly opposite venus. In my case I've seen that when this venus-chiron is activated I run to my neptune-pluto sextile in order to deal with it, which never seems to work. This definitely goes for when the yod is triggered by that synastry saturn.

What seems to work for me is engaging in "Virgoan" activities which almost always instantly comforts that venus. Thus, like some have surmised, I really suspect that chiron represents something "virgo." Then again, my North Node is on sixth house cusp opposite Neptune and trine Pluto.

That's just me though. I haven't read that many charts of people I know well that give more clues.

[93horus]

Looks like you have the same yod as I do. Involving the same planets with the exception of chiron.

No, I do not know any more than you do about yods as most info on the web simply says "the apex is a highly critical and sensitive point." Also that the point opposite the apex thus forming a semi-sextile to the legs especially "activates" this whole configuration.

In your case, that's the saturn directly opposite venus. In my case I've seen that when this venus-chiron is activated I run to my neptune-pluto sextile in order to deal with it, which never seems to work. This definitely goes for when the yod is triggered by that synastry saturn.

What seems to work for me is engaging in "Virgoan" activities which almost always instantly comforts that venus. Thus, like some have surmised, I really suspect that chiron represents something "virgo." Then again, my North Node is on sixth house cusp opposite Neptune and trine Pluto.

That's just me though. I haven't read that many charts of people I know well that give more clues.

Yes totally, the Neptune sextile Pluto thing is something that I too also 'run to' in a sence. For example getting a hair cut makes me look totally different even if it is only two weeks, my hair grows really fast and messy thus the illusion eventually runs out so it will only work to some extent. Yes I think Chiron is Virgo like.

[je_suis_eveille]

Do you know of anywhere online to get ones asteroid positions? I only know the popular ones like Chiron, Vesta, Juno, Ceres, Pallas. Thankyou

On www.astro.com click on Free Horoscopes and then extended chart drawings. Input the asteroid numbers from this sheet http://www.astro.com/swisseph/astlist.htm and you will see the positions on the chart.

[asteroid_astrologer]

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1059990327#post1059990327

Powerful Earthquake predicted purely using mathematical Astrology.

Any more doubters?