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asky
23-04-2010, 11:06 PM
FMOTL trial continued

The trial that went part heard a couple of weeks ago resumed this week. Even more supporters turned up this time (prompting several of my colleagues to enquire whether the common law forbids soap and water).
The defendant began this time by standing in the doorway and demanding to know whether his inalienable rights would be preserved if he entered the courtroom. The chair (thoroughly fed up after last time) told him he would get a fair trial and his human rights would be upheld. This didn't satisfy chummy who didn't want his human rights he wanted his inalienable rights (even if he couldn't pronounce them).
Magistrates tell him that if he doesn't come in and get on with it the case will proceed in his absence.
He decides to come in and gets a bit theatrical about where he's going to stand. The usher not standing for any nonsense tells him to stand where anyone else would.
The police officer is still waiting patiently to be cross examined.
The prosecutor says "I presume there are no questions for this officer?"
This provokes a long spiel where the defendant tells the court that if they prove the case in his absence they will be acting ultra vires and appeals to his claque as witnesses. He then says he wants to read the Fraud Act 2006 into the record.
The usher calls security and the chair tells him he is in contempt.
"Is that civil or criminal contempt?"
Defendant is handcuffed and physically removed from the courtroom. The claque shout "Shame on you" and "Court of injustice".
Most of them surge outside to argue. One remains declaring that "You can't be arrested for contempt!"
And "The court aren't flesh and blood.
The defendant is let back in and apologises.
He is asked again if he wants to engage with the court and says he doesn't fully understand and wants to ask a few questions. He starts spouting the courts written policy on being nice to people. Court tell him no more dialogue.
However he again starts asking if he can claim common law jurisdiction.
Then he demands to know if this is a private court and begins reading out a definition of jurisdiction. Basically he is told politely to shut up.
Then he starts demanding the magistrates oath of office and declaring that the magistrates have committed fraud under the Fraud Act and should be removed.
Security are called. The audience start screaming "Assault" and insults at the Bench. Police enter and remove most of them.
Those remaining start trying to get the police to arrest the magistrates for fraud. They refuse to do so. One tells them bluntly that in order to arrest someone they need reasonable suspicion that an offence has been committed. One harpy in particular gets really upset about the heavy emphasis he puts on the word "reasonable" and threatens to report him.
Since the defendant isn't there officer number one is released and number two is called.
During his evidence the defendant is let back in.
Asked if he wants to ask this officer any questions he says he does have a few questions. But first he needs to ask about all the other things he has already asked about. Told firmly "No".
Demands the magistrates' oath of office, demands to know "for and on the record" if they are refusing to answer questions.
[While this is going on the rest of the court gets on with the trial the officer is released and the prosecution case concludes]
The defendant is interrupted and asked if he wishes to give or call any evidence. He replies that if all persons present don't answer questions they are in commercial liability.

The prosecutor points out that the defendant is not entitled to try and impose conditions on the court.

The defendant asks if the magistrates have something to hide.
Chair "Do you wish to give evidence?"
Yes... But before I proceed I want to ask questions.. Does the Court recognise the Fraud Act 2006?
Legal Advisor : Yes
Are all parties standing under the Fraud Act 2006?
Chair "We are not here to be judged"
Defendant "The Judge has just acted ultra vires!"
Defendant is temporarily removed again (this time by the usher telling hin to get out)
When he's let back in the prosecutor invites the court to retire and consider their verdict.
The defendant calls into question the prosecutor's competence and is removed again.
The magistrates retire and consider their verdict.

The gallery decide that the magistrates will have to dismiss the case as they haven't got jurisdiction.

The magistrates return find him guilty and impose a largish fine and grant a huge application for costs.

The defendant claims that he hasn't been given any kind of opportunity to address the court and calls the chair corrupt. Objects to everything.
As I left he was borrowing a red pen to write a promissory note...

witnessed by a poster on James randis forum
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=155358&page=65
Enjoy

asky

bones
23-04-2010, 11:21 PM
sounds like corruption ...

asky
23-04-2010, 11:26 PM
Regardless of what it "sounds like" this is what happens in "real life"
You know, the thing outside your door.

asky

bones
23-04-2010, 11:30 PM
Regardless of what it "sounds like" this is what happens in "real life"
You know, the thing outside your door.

asky

so does getting ya car nicked , dont make it right does it...

asky
23-04-2010, 11:33 PM
Someone stealing my car would be committing a crime wouldnt they?
Of course thats wrong.
I fail to see your logic

asky

jimmi
23-04-2010, 11:40 PM
If car thieves held court then they would never be punished for stealing cars, how can we expect justice when the 'justice system' holds courts?

asky
23-04-2010, 11:43 PM
how can we expect justice when the 'justice system' holds courts?

he got justice didnt he?
The process of law was adheared too.

asky

yozhik
24-04-2010, 01:47 AM
I fail to see your logic

asky

Open your eyes ... [it helps to see things]

You say: stealing a car is a crime.
I say: committing fraud is a crime.

Can you "see" the logic in that?
;)

brianthebrain
24-04-2010, 02:00 AM
Open your eyes ... [it helps to see things]

You say: stealing a car is a crime.
I say: committing fraud is a crime.

Can you "see" the logic in that?
;)

funny how all of a sudden they want to see statute enforced , is it not ?

yozhik
24-04-2010, 02:10 AM
funny how all of a sudden they want to see statute enforced , is it not ?

He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.

ergo ...

He who consents to statute is judged by statute.



If the community volunteer administrator, masquerading as an ajudicator of law consents to being governed by statute, then the aforementioned volunteer worker should be bound to those statutes.

Similarly, should there be a grievance between a Tesco employee and a customer, the customer [by citing and using Tesco rules and regulations against the Tesco employee] is not bound to those employee rules; enforcement of the Tesco employee rules against one who is bound to them is not an agreement of the enforcer of said rules to be bound to them as a result.

Given the number of bloodsucking vampiric trolls amongst us, it would be worth considering the use of a wooden stake.
However, other than a random splinter, by using the wooden stake, it would not result in the sudden death of the enforcer.

Using the relevant statute for fraud against someone who is both bound to statute and acting fraudulently is essentially using the relevant weapon of choice.

brianthebrain
24-04-2010, 02:30 AM
Similarly, should there be a grievance between a Tesco employee and a customer, the customer [by citing and using Tesco rules and regulations against the Tesco employee] is not bound to those employee rules; enforcement of the Tesco employee rules against one who is bound to them is not an agreement of the enforcer of said rules to be bound to them as a result.

G.

no, but the customer is recognising the validity of Tesco rules, of course te4sco rules extend as far as the customers and by entering tescos you agree to be bound by those rules by proximity, just as any one entering this country agrees to be bound by the statutes by being here

yozhik
24-04-2010, 03:00 AM
no, but the customer is recognising the validity of Tesco rules, of course te4sco rules extend as far as the customers and by entering tescos you agree to be bound by those rules by proximity, just as any one entering this country agrees to be bound by the statutes by being here

You have completely missed the point.


If a Tesco employee breaks the Tesco employee rules and regs, then as a customer, one could apply for the enforcement of those rules and regs on the Tesco employee ... WITHOUT there being any "comeback" of those rules and regs on oneself.

The customer is "recognising the validity of Tesco rules" as they apply to the Tesco employee; not the Tesco customer.

If a customer walks into Tesco not wearing a Tesco uniform, as per rules and regs, a Tesco employee can not enforce the Tesco employee rules and regs on the non-uniformed Tesco customer.

The Tesco customer is not "bound to the Tesco employee rules and regs by proximity".

brianthebrain
24-04-2010, 03:08 AM
You have completely missed the point.


If a Tesco employee breaks the Tesco employee rules and regs, then as a customer, one could apply for the enforcement of those rules and regs on the Tesco employee ... WITHOUT there being any "comeback" of those rules and regs on oneself.

The customer is "recognising the validity of Tesco rules" as they apply to the Tesco employee; not the Tesco customer.

If a customer walks into Tesco not wearing a Tesco uniform, as per rules and regs, a Tesco employee can not enforce the Tesco employee rules and regs on the non-uniformed Tesco customer.

The Tesco customer is not "bound to the Tesco employee rules and regs by proximity".

?????????????????????????????

have you ever read tescos rules and regs by any chance ?

it included a section on drunk customers being asked( or forced) to leave,

by entering a tesco store you are agreeing to be sober or to your force able removal

they also have a section on the supervision of children and on orderly queueing all of which you have agreed to by entry

merlincove
24-04-2010, 03:59 AM
it is funny how fmotl dissenters will choose to have their jollies at what they perceive to be fmotl fails and yet continue to invariably ignore fmotl applications that have led to the upholding of freeman principles when weighed against statutory rule.

i have been called to court many times for none payment of council tax etc, and each time i have enetered into peaceful none compliance with orders given and sent in offerance to attend.

i can not fully understand why the freeman needs to attend a courtroom full of kangaroos for summary made-an-example-of style conducts.

If the freeman lives his or her life removed from statute, then why attend an arena structured around the application of statute law above the commonly accepted law of the land?

it baffles me in all honesty.

Of course the antiterrorist has given us some worthwhile information on how one may conduct themselves in the courtroom if ever we are unfortunate enough to arrive in a situation of addressing a judge in the court room.

What the guy in the op should perhaps have done, when asking if his inalienable rights would remain intact, is insist on a record being made of such, and not simply take the half assed word of the judge, and should the judge then go down the path of saying that the case would go on in his absence, then again a statement for the record needed to be made to the fact that the defendant was attending but was being denied access to the court room as a man under common law.

For my own part I have been called to attend court on many occasions, and each time I have written to the court explaining that I exist under common law and that I have agreed to attend to the matter raised in the hearing via private remedy (conditional acceptance) which has been refused by the suitor. The statement of fact has been worded to express my concern that my requests to pay were ignored on the most part and that the hearing affords itself as a stay of my payment which I was willing and able to make with immediate effect given the provision of contractual evidence to show a debt existed.

I have never received any further correspondence from either the court or council in effect to the payment requested.

It is simply a mater of procedure.

It is interesting how the dissenters of a concept that I have shown to work repeatedly choose to ignore such and throw in matters of abuse of power on behalf of the system in effect to ridicule the fmotl concepts.

Yoz, you can argue the toss with these guys


5259

It will make little difference.

Freeman philosophy continues to work. While some will try to thwart freedom by discussing its failures, freedom and freeman concepts are fighting back the darkness through common sense applications and a refusal to consent to ANY jurisdiction that is put forward.

It is a sad fact that a freeman in the courtroom is under the courts jurisdiction simply by his attendance to the court house. And furthermore, when the freeman is removed from the court and then enters again, without a clear and recorded declaration, his re-entrance into the court room places him under their jurisdiction if his inalienable right is not re-asserted.

By attending the court the attendee agrees to attend a place of business to be judged, and as such, by the act of his attendance he agrees that the court has the power to judge and stand over him – by the act of attending he surrenders to the court any right he has as a freeman and agrees to stand under their order.

number_6
24-04-2010, 08:45 AM
Perhaps consideration should be given to the possibility that the courts are not corrupt and they do act in accordance with the law, but the FOTL's theories regarding law are pure bunkum.
It makes much more sense.

rumpole
24-04-2010, 09:19 AM
As a piece of performance 'art' (& the freeman defendant even brought along an audience) it certainly sounds quite entertaining. As an attempt to conduct criminal litigation it was lamentable.

number_6
24-04-2010, 09:34 AM
(& the freeman defendant even brought along an audience)

It does appear that a mob of baying supporters is an essential element of a FOTL defence in court.

It does beg the question that if all of the court staff just sat there shouting in unison at the defendant would the FOTLs consider that behaviour as honourable and correct procedure?

boots
24-04-2010, 10:33 AM
Perhaps consideration should be given to the possibility that the courts are not corrupt and they do act in accordance with the law, but the FOTL's theories regarding law are pure bunkum.
It makes much more sense.

Yeah thats right courts aren't corrupt.:rolleyes:

Who do the Judges work for?

Marc Stevens is a genius! Cops think they know what the law is but this is a perfect example of how it is not law but merely code or statute!LMAO!! - YouTube


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


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rumpole
24-04-2010, 10:48 AM
Yeah thats right courts aren't corrupt.:rolleyes:

Who do the Judges work for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-T_R2wZwr4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5I_I1wrgw&feature=related


.

Judges don't work for anyone - they're appointed by the Queen. If there is some kind of secret closed shop conspiracy how come Judges regularly rule against government agencies?

yozhik
24-04-2010, 10:58 AM
?????????????????????????????

have you ever read tescos rules and regs by any chance ?

it included a section on drunk customers being asked( or forced) to leave,

by entering a tesco store you are agreeing to be sober or to your force able removal

they also have a section on the supervision of children and on orderly queueing all of which you have agreed to by entry

You're being intentionally obtuse and contrary.

Go back to my original point;

the customer is not bound to those [B]employee rules; enforcement of the Tesco employee rules against one who is bound to them is not an agreement of the enforcer of said rules to be bound to them as a result.


The customer is not bound to the employee rules.

Noone is arguing against the customer [if contracted] needing to adhere to the contracted customer guidelines ...

Enforcement of employee rules and regs does not place those rules and regs upon the customer.
Period.

yozhik
24-04-2010, 11:02 AM
It does appear that a mob of baying supporters is an essential element of a FOTL defence in court.



Much like the mob of baying supporters for the dissenters on this forum ...

It does seem an essential element of the Randi scepticism excreted not so subtley in most corners of the internet.

number_6
24-04-2010, 11:47 AM
Much like the mob of baying supporters for the dissenters on this forum ...

I think that most people with an ounce of intelligence would recognise the difference between members of an internet forum that disagree with theories promoted by that forum and post their disagreements on the website, and a mob whose only intention is to shout over others.

asky
24-04-2010, 12:20 PM
Can you shout over others on a forum?
I cant find that function on my keyboard.

asky