What is a theory?

[asky]

We have all heard the saying, "Thats all very well in theory but it doesnt work out in practice."

Theres only one thing to say about this...
If it doesnt work out in practice then it cannot be right in theory.

asky

[the worm that turned]

We have all heard the saying, "Thats all very well in theory but it doesnt work out in practice."

Theres only one thing to say about this...
If it doesnt work out in practice then it cannot be right in theory.

asky

Until now I'd never heard that saying but thanks for sharing. It's a gem :)

[asky]

No problem wormy
I hope others feel the same way ;)

asky

[yozhik]

Theory is an unproven hypothesis.
Unproven doesn't [necessarily] mean wrong; it means unproven.

The theory may also be sound, however the conditions or environment on which the premise is based may be flawed.

A bit like "justice" ... wonderful in theory, but seldom realised in practice.
The theory in itself is sound; its the environment in which it is delivered that is flawed.

However, your statement also rings true when considering "justice".
If it doesnt work out in practice then it cannot be right in theory.

asky

;)

[brianthebrain]

Theory is an unproven hypothesis.
Unproven doesn't [necessarily] mean wrong; it means unproven.

The theory may also be sound, however the conditions or environment on which the premise is based may be flawed.

A bit like "justice" ... wonderful in theory, but seldom realised in practice.
The theory in itself is sound; its the environment in which it is delivered that is flawed.

However, your statement also rings true when considering "justice".


;)


not a trick question

do you know what justice means as in a definition ? it may help you compose accurate posts

[yozhik]

not a trick question

do you know what justice means as in a definition ? it may help you compose accurate posts

Would you be referring to moral justice, justice in equity or legal justice? :rolleyes:

Re: accuracy ... I don't see an issue.
Do you?

[brianthebrain]

Would you be referring to moral justice, justice in equity or legal justice? :rolleyes:

Re: accuracy ... I don't see an issue.
Do you?

just justice

its just that you keep miss using the word so some research could help you a bit

[yozhik]

just justice

its just that you keep miss using the word so some research could help you a bit

Once again, intentionally vague and misleading diatribe.
Thanks for your suggestion re: research ... but believe me when I state; I'm fine.

Opening your mind and learning to reject that overwhelming "regurgitation of rote repeating reflex" could help you a bit ...

Moral justice ... justice in equity ... legal justice.
All valid differentiations.
I'm not surprised you would try to deflect from the distinctions.
Given that "positive law" would appear to be crafted in such a way as to remove most/any element of moral justice intentionally.

just justice

its just that you keep miss using the word so some research could help you a bit

Just justice?
:D

I bet the thought of "moral justice" as a concept just makes your little Common Purpose indoctrinated shirt tails curl at the seams ...

[the worm that turned]

What on earth has this thread got to do with Freeman on the Land by the way?

[asky]

I thought you had missed the relevence in your first post but I didnt like to say.
The relevevence is that the Freeman on the land concept is a theory at present.
So a theory that doesnt work out in practice (FMOTL doesnt does it) is not a theory.
So the whole freeman concept is as such a belief system nothing more.

asky

[merlincove]

I thought you had missed the relevence in your first post but I didnt like to say.
The relevevence is that the Freeman on the land concept is a theory at present.
So a theory that doesnt work out in practice (FMOTL doesnt does it) is not a theory.
So the whole freeman concept is as such a belief system nothing more.

asky

it has worked out fine for me :p

[brianthebrain]

it has worked out fine for me :p

you keep making reference to YOUR success, but seem most reluctant to share these ?

[merlincove]

i don’t actually consider them to be successes perse, brian. For me it isn't about success, because success really accords to gain. and i'd ask: can one gain something that is a natural right?

It's about embodying who i really am and not falling for an allowance to others to dicatate to me who i am. How can being who i am, and embracing the freedoms that are a natural gift really be seen as success?

i have effectively removed my Self from all limitation that statute would afford, and where corporate entities attempt to force statute upon me, i simply embrace my freedom to say no.

i have been embracing my freedom and sovereignty for 20 years, unmolested by the state judiciary system and their enforcement officers. If you would like to call that a gain or a win or a success then you fail really to understand the concept of freedom.

Freedom is not a success, it is a natural state of being. To remain unmolested by the corporate world and the statutes that govern them toward governance over freedom to me is a generic concept that all men and women are entitled to.

To embrace entitlement is not a success, it simply is a state of being.

While the world seems stacked against the personal embrace of freedom, maybe it can be construed as success, if you or anyone else feels the need to call it that, if you need to measure things in marks of success or failure then that shows me where you are at as a level of understanding freedom. i sometimes fall into the trap of measuring somehing to assertain its worth, i have learnt that if its worth needs to be assertained by labels, then it really is worth nothing.

Through application of my inalienable right to freedom i have applied my Self to embracing my own power.

And in standing in my own power, and embracing my freedom, i have learnt that the powers who would subjugate me to their will have no claim over my freedom.

i choose to embrace my power. i choose to stand in my power. i choose not to allow the state to molest my freedoms.

Those concepts are an embrace of my right as a man, free, on the land.

My account is not one of success, but simply an account of my unrestrained acceptance of inordinate natural right not to be governed where that governance causes my Self oppression.

I have made account of it on these boards, it is there if you care to look.

[prajna]

i don’t actually consider them to be successes perse, brian. For me it isn't about success, because success really accords to gain. and i'd ask: can one gain something that is a natural right?

It's about embodying who i really am and not falling for an allowance to others to dicatate to me who i am. How can being who i am, and embracing the freedoms that are a natural gift really be seen as success?

i have effectively removed my Self from all limitation that statute would afford, and where corporate entities attempt to force statute upon me, i simply embrace my freedom to say no.

i have been embracing my freedom and sovereignty for 20 years, unmolested by the state judiciary system and their enforcement officers. If you would like to call that a gain or a win or a success then you fail really to understand the concept of freedom.

Freedom is not a success, it is a natural state of being. To remain unmolested by the corporate world and the statutes that govern them toward governance over freedom to me is a generic concept that all men and women are entitled to.

To embrace entitlement is not a success, it simply is a state of being.

While the world seems stacked against the personal embrace of freedom, maybe it can be construed as success, if you or anyone else feels the need to call it that, if you need to measure things in marks of success or failure then that shows me where you are at as a level of understanding freedom. i sometimes fall into the trap of measuring somehing to assertain its worth, i have learnt that if its worth needs to be assertained by labels, then it really is worth nothing.

Through application of my inalienable right to freedom i have applied my Self to embracing my own power.

And in standing in my own power, and embracing my freedom, i have learnt that the powers who would subjugate me to their will have no claim over my freedom.

i choose to embrace my power. i choose to stand in my power. i choose not to allow the state to molest my freedoms.

Those concepts are an embrace of my right as a man, free, on the land.

My account is not one of success, but simply an account of my unrestrained acceptance of inordinate natural right not to be governed where that governance causes my Self oppression.

I have made account of it on these boards, it is there if you care to look.

+1

[arty2000]

I thought you had missed the relevence in your first post but I didnt like to say.
The relevevence is that the Freeman on the land concept is a theory at present.
So a theory that doesnt work out in practice (FMOTL doesnt does it) is not a theory.
So the whole freeman concept is as such a belief system nothing more.

asky

the depth of your logic is shattering....:eek:

[asky]

Thank you I am flattered ;)

By the way you could discuss my quote and counter it if you think your argument will hold water

asky

[yozhik]

So the whole freeman concept is as such a belief system nothing more.

asky

Great.
FOTL is a belief system.

Now what?




Oh wait ... just for fun, let's check what your primary information source has to offer on the subject;

Belief system
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A belief system can refer to

* a life stance
* a religion. See also List of religions
* a world view
* a philosophy. See also List of philosophies
* an ideology. See also Category:Ideologies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_system

... and just for a hoot, let's randomly select one of those offerings ... hmmmm ... how about this one;

World view
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A comprehensive world view (or worldview) is the fundamental cognitive orientation
of an individual or society encompassing natural philosophy, fundamental existential
and normative postulates or themes, values, emotions, and ethics.[1]

The term is a loan translation or calque of German Weltanschauung [ˈvɛlt.ʔanˌʃaʊ.ʊŋ],
composed of Welt, 'world', and Anschauung, 'view' or 'outlook'. It is a concept
fundamental to German philosophy and epistemology and refers to a wide world perception.
Additionally, it refers to the framework of ideas and beliefs through which an individual
interprets the world and interacts with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view

Can anyone see an issue here?
Looks perfectly acceptable to me ...

[asky]

Nothing
Thats the point

asky

[asky]

If it doesnt work out in practice then it cannot be right in theory.

So by that rationale the FMOTL theory is not a theory as it has NEVER worked in practice.

asky

[yozhik]

Never?

:rolleyes:


[never say never ...]

[asky]

"has never"

cant you read?

asky

[yozhik]

Oh I can read ... be sure of that.


I can also disagree ... and smirk at absurdities ... quite often simultaneously.
They're often linked [the disagreeing and the smirking] to posts in this forum.
Instinctive reaction ... one might be tempted to call it an involuntary gag reflex of the mind, brought on by an overwhelming encounter with bullshit.

:rolleyes:

[asky]

Some say bullshit beats brains every time

asky

[yozhik]

Some say bullshit beats brains every time

asky

Some say ...

Some say?
Wow ... now you're quoting directly out of the Fox News handbook?

I suggest you watch OUTFOXED to see how Fox overuse "some people say", when disguising editorial [biased] comment and attempting to attribute it to unnamed, unidentified sources, to try and pass it off as public/popular opinion ...



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428#



Direct link if media link does not appear above (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428#)



EDIT
If you can't be assed watching the full video, the specific section highlighting "some people say" starts at around the 17:50 mark in the video.

[platform7]

i don’t actually consider them to be successes perse, brian. For me it isn't about success, because success really accords to gain. and i'd ask: can one gain something that is a natural right?

It's about embodying who i really am and not falling for an allowance to others to dicatate to me who i am. How can being who i am, and embracing the freedoms that are a natural gift really be seen as success?

i have effectively removed my Self from all limitation that statute would afford, and where corporate entities attempt to force statute upon me, i simply embrace my freedom to say no.

i have been embracing my freedom and sovereignty for 20 years, unmolested by the state judiciary system and their enforcement officers. If you would like to call that a gain or a win or a success then you fail really to understand the concept of freedom.

Freedom is not a success, it is a natural state of being. To remain unmolested by the corporate world and the statutes that govern them toward governance over freedom to me is a generic concept that all men and women are entitled to.

To embrace entitlement is not a success, it simply is a state of being.

While the world seems stacked against the personal embrace of freedom, maybe it can be construed as success, if you or anyone else feels the need to call it that, if you need to measure things in marks of success or failure then that shows me where you are at as a level of understanding freedom. i sometimes fall into the trap of measuring somehing to assertain its worth, i have learnt that if its worth needs to be assertained by labels, then it really is worth nothing.

Through application of my inalienable right to freedom i have applied my Self to embracing my own power.

And in standing in my own power, and embracing my freedom, i have learnt that the powers who would subjugate me to their will have no claim over my freedom.

i choose to embrace my power. i choose to stand in my power. i choose not to allow the state to molest my freedoms.

Those concepts are an embrace of my right as a man, free, on the land.

My account is not one of success, but simply an account of my unrestrained acceptance of inordinate natural right not to be governed where that governance causes my Self oppression.

I have made account of it on these boards, it is there if you care to look.

merlincove that is truly beautiful thank you for sharing that
love,peace and sincere best wishes always :)

[girlgye]

Yes concur. I don't quite know what Merlin has taken but it's certainly magical to say the least :eek: :D:p

[iq_145]

Theory is an unproven hypothesis.

No. A theory is a tested hypothesis.

[karl j]

If it was a tested hypothesis then it would be practical fact not theory. Theory is speculation, conjecture.