2012 : Where History Ends (Michael Tsarion)

[herebynightfall]

Has anybody watched the whole thing.

I'm d/l it right now and wondering if anybody has opinions of the video as a whole.

[joss classey]

might you have a link to this particular video?

thanking you kindly

[herebynightfall]

might you have a link to this particular video?

thanking you kindly

Here bud.
Michael Tsarion *link deleted for copyright control*

Yeah it's a torrent. Not a streaming video.

The interview/lecture/slideshow looks very informative as Michael Tsarion always is.

Although it is just over 2 GB of space. I'm compelled to watch it.

[joss classey]

Here bud.
Michael Tsarion *link deleated for copyright control*
Yeah it's a torrent. Not a streaming video.

The interview/lecture/slideshow looks very informative as Michael Tsarion always is.

Although it is just over 2 GB of space. I'm compelled to watch it.

Thank you. I will invest my time and hard drive space in this :D

[herebynightfall]

Yeah I got sick of watching 21 separate 10 minute videos of an older video of his, on youtube.

And this was made in 2006 so I'm hoping it's more up to date info.
And just food for thought ya know ?

Good luck with the download proccess.

I've about 3 minutes left.
( I started last night =^D )

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

Fuck! It's over eight hours long. Just starting it now...

[mk72]

It's very good - consider getting the Origins & Oracles Series - it's brilliant and covers a fast area of conspiracy, history, symbolism, ect.
http://www.originsandoracles.com/

[ichi wa zen]

Tsarion is the biggest liar out there, why waste 8 hours of your life listening to his nutcake theories if you could spend that time awakening people.

Dont you know enough already?

We are controlled by a satanic occult elite, who gives a *PEEP* about the past, all this guy talks about is the past. Talking or thinking about the past is not going to get rid of WW3. Stop waisting time and DO something.

You people are waisting precious time, exactly what the illuminati wants you to do, to get lost in the web of infinite theories and BS.

WAKE UP!

[mk72]

That was fast - I was waiting for that. Where's Baron and the rest of the Christian fanatics:D

[cruise4]

Its all criticism, suggestion and no solution these days isn't it.:D I'll bet I've done more in the last few days than all of these naysayers put together. Keep the faith people.

[dark86]

i finished watching this today.

I put it at the top, probably better than freedom or fascism for me but similar in alot of respects. The thing with Icke when he talks of ancient history he says "and stuff they knew" wheras MT and GH KNOW all about ancient history (a subject matter I am into myself).


Its so fucking good its untrue. sheesh me!!!


I posted about it yesterday.

ENJOY MY FRIEND

[dark86]

Message for Ichy ....I do wake at least one person up a week, and do it in a very clever way. One of my life goals is to awake ppl. I am writing a book at present and watched MT 8 hours for research purposes.

My quest for knowledge is something that empowers me in my awakening of others, it all helps.

You are writing negative posts in a forum, surely your time could be better spent?

At what is this of WW3? There is no war, just a conflict between light and dark.

Also can you please list any of his lies? Alot of the movie we are talking about he clearly states wether items are theory or facts.

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

I am writing a book at present and watched MT 8 hours for research purposes.

I plan on writing a book too and am watching this for the same reason...

[zero1]

2012 - Every End is only a New Begin...

When will we get our superpowers back, eh? ;)

[dark86]

top man.

My rationale is i now know enough to write about this all in a way that is new, and from my angle and aimed at mainstream ppl who will not listen.

I am doing it for me but If it wakes just 10 people up it is worthwhile.

:D

[veritas2007]

Good call herebynightfall :) Downloading now.

I only heard about Michael Tsarion a couple of weeks ago but I've watched everything I possibly can since then. I'd love to buy his stuff but with Christmas so close..... :(

Seed!!! ;-)

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

top man.

My rationale is i now know enough to write about this all in a way that is new, and from my angle and aimed at mainstream ppl who will not listen.

I am doing it for me but If it wakes just 10 people up it is worthwhile.

:D

Yeah, that's my strategy too. I aim to write it using language and concepts that are easy to grasp for ordinary people. I've realised whilst trying to explain all of this to family and stuff that sometime you really need to break it down for them and try to help them understand concepts that they have never come across before...

I'm toying with the idea of 'disguising' all of this information as fiction somehow, just so that people aren't so quick to dismiss it. I would make it subtle but also obvious at the same time, so that they would inevitably start to see the things I'd be talking about happen around them and then realise that it wasn't fiction at all. Much in the same way as '1984' or maybe even 'The Celestine Prophecy'.

I'm sure you've noticed how people automatically stop paying attention at the mere suggestion of 'conspiracy'. It's almost as if it's somehow been subliminally programmed into them. Maybe that's why the words 'conspiracy theory' automatically bring up connotations of paranoia, delusion and insanity in peoples minds...

[king]

2012 - Every End is only a New Begin...

When will we get our superpowers back, eh? ;)
ROTFL


that is coming in next Tsarion video titled:

"How we shafted New Agers with our 2012 videos series"
subtitle:
but you microchipped zombies can't figure that one out now, can you?

[john white]

ROTFL


that is coming in next Tsarion video titled:

"How we shafted New Agers with our 2012 videos series"
subtitle:
but you microchipped zombies can't figure that one out now, can you?


No more than you can prove it

Is it real?

Or is it becuase you think its real?

Whats the difference?

(and the forum membership is no more microchipped and zombified than you are yourself King)

[thirdwave]

no one can prove 2012 is some kind of event with facts available to us.. other than old civilisations saying it will be.... and modern events highlighting it and making it more believable.......

But also no one can prove that 2012 is not going to be some kind of event, other than what they belive is possible and not possible....

Yet I don't often see people look down or belittle others for not thinking 2012 will be some kind of event..... yet those who with out any facts to debunk it and seem so certain that its a scam, they often express how smart and knowing they are and how stupid the believers are...

This to me does show that the people who are feeling something in 2012 is relevant are appearing to be the more mature... which is in its self another telling sign.

I think these are the real people who are so brainwashed they are under the foot of the powers that be and only have a certain amount of space to believe in....

Its very clear what the powers that be have and always will want to hold down and keep us in the dark with... and that's the nature of reality... because in truth it is far far more amazing and magical then the vast vast majority of man kind know ....

[21_12_2012]

no one can prove 2012 is some kind of event with facts available to us.. other than old civilisations saying it will be.... and modern events highlighting it and making it more believable.......

But also no one can prove that 2012 is not going to be some kind of event, other than what they belive is possible and not possible....

Yet I don't often see people look down or belittle others for not thinking 2012 will be some kind of event..... yet those who with out any facts to debunk it and seem so certain that its a scam, they often express how smart and knowing they are and how stupid the believers are...

This to me does show that the people who are feeling something in 2012 is relevant are appearing to be the more mature... which is in its self another telling sign.

I think these are the real people who are so brainwashed they are under the foot of the powers that be and only have a certain amount of space to believe in....

Its very clear what the powers that be have and always will want to hold down and keep us in the dark with... and that's the nature of reality... because in truth it is far far more amazing and magical then the vast vast majority of man kind know ....

Well said....:)

[king]

No more than you can prove it

Is it real?

Or is it becuase you think its real?

Whats the difference?

(and the forum membership is no more microchipped and zombified than you are yourself King)

will all do respect -- I seriously doubt that!
;-)

[cruise4]

"With all due respect -- I seriously doubt that!"
Goes without saying as your ego is massively out of control.

Do you know anything about some of the science going on with DNA, Earth Grid, Planets, Cosmology, Geometry, Atomic Structure, Hamonics, Cymatics, Superstring theory, etc?

[thirdwave]

"With all due respect -- I seriously doubt that!"
Goes without saying as your ego is massively out of control.

Do you know anything about some of the science going on with DNA, Earth Grid, Planets, Cosmology, Geometry, Atomic Structure, Hamonics, Cymatics, Superstring theory, etc?

for me its all first hand stuff now.... my head is getting bigger and I'm not talking about on an ego level!! .... amazing times! :)

[ichi wa zen]

Message for Ichy ....I do wake at least one person up a week, and do it in a very clever way. One of my life goals is to awake ppl. I am writing a book at present and watched MT 8 hours for research purposes.

My quest for knowledge is something that empowers me in my awakening of others, it all helps.

You are writing negative posts in a forum, surely your time could be better spent?

At what is this of WW3? There is no war, just a conflict between light and dark.

Also can you please list any of his lies? Alot of the movie we are talking about he clearly states wether items are theory or facts.

You see my post as negative. Thats your perception.

Sometimes individual people need to be slapped for the greater good of mankind! Think about this!

(edit) i dont care about the past, for it is the past. I only focus on what is, the moment, now, present. We can only do things now not yesterday. Who cares if Tsarion is right or wrong, will knowing about his theories or the past save the present and our near future?

[cruise4]

Yes thirdwave... its great stuff isn't it. I'm outraged we haven't been privy to this information all our lives. I'd have loved working in some of these fields on some of this stuff. You know that ego comment wasn't at you don't you.

[king]

"With all due respect -- I seriously doubt that!"
Goes without saying as your ego is massively out of control.

I watched his 2012 videos that were mentioned here.
I can describe those videos with few words: bollox, lies, concoctions, science fiction that is mixed up with truth.
typical BS vcrap.

but, maybe i am crazy, as you imply? so...let's see what Tsation was pushing a while back:

Niburu is comming
Reptilian ETs are returning
HAARP is the net/veil that reptilians erected around the earth
humans were 4 times genetically modified, from MK1 to MK4 beings, MK4 beings are us, and we are not even adamic because after every "GM modification" humans got even more dumbed down. So, we are 4 times as dumb, as original man!

"roach cleaner is coming" ... he said angrily ("roaches" are us, we the "profane")

we are mentally "dirty" and we need to do some psychological cleansing (typical "blame the victim" mentality and he cites Freud and Young -- illumie "experts")

He was also pushing Crowleyanity, Blavatskyanity, Hinduism, various form of black magic, occult, tarot, and "divination arts" but always did a stab at Christianity...

now, do you really want to believe that conman with his
disposable theories?

do you want to get his information on hystory and science?


Do you know anything about some of the science going on with DNA, Earth Grid, Planets, Cosmology, Geometry, Atomic Structure, Hamonics, Cymatics, Superstring theory, etc?


just enough to KNOW that you are listening to a conman and
you are not even able to understand that no human being can possibly know all of those areas of science to that degree as Tsarion is claiming!

and after he was exposed for scum that he is, many people have awakened to his scams. He went quiet for some time, then lo and behol -- he came as a shrink and expert on Irish civilization

Thanks to the thinking people of this world Tsarion has been exposed and therefore he dropped all of those theories except origins of civilization stories (that no one can prove/disprove) and psycho-analysis, that again is debatable.
But, conviniently, he blames us for our mental state in insane
world that we live in.

yes, WTF.. hod has a "historian" tuned into
a shrink, a DNA expert, a theoretical physicist overnight?

Are you telling me that Tsarion knows as much as Michio Kaku, Albert Einstein, Bruce Lipton, David Horowitz .... all the way
to likes of Michael Cremo and Joseph Campbell?
People who spent years in those and other areas of science?

Well, for your information i have caught Tsarion more than a few times in lies; from his claim that accura (car) symbol is masonic symbol (it is not, it represents a measuring caliper, therefore the name -- accura, as accurate, precision)
to some of his translations of latin words that i could not find, nor could my friend doctor who knows Latin really well...


see, if we have done research for ourselves -- we would avoid the situation of being led around like blind are led.

all I am saying here is -- do not believe anyone, do your own research.

[thirdwave]

Yes thirdwave... its great stuff isn't it. I'm outraged we haven't been privy to this information all our lives. I'd have loved working in some of these fields on some of this stuff. You know that ego comment wasn't at you don't you.

yeah i know it was not at me mate ;)

I know what you mean as kids we could have benefited a huge amount of brought up properly.. that's not our parents fault of course

[thirdwave]

[I]Niburu is comming
Reptilian ETs are returning
HAARP is the net/veil that reptilians erected around the earth
humans were 4 times genetically modified, from MK1 to MK4 beings, MK4 beings are us, and we are not even adamic because after every "GM modification" humans got even more dumbed down. So, we are 4 times as dumb, as original man!



In all honesty Tsarion is often very vague about what he generally believes will happen regarding 2012..so on.... stuff like Niburu and so on... he just pushes the info ... the facts and history about it all... but he does not really push them as if he knows its all going to happen.... he teaches and as he does he is also quite open to other concepts..

what he does confirm is an awakening and a change in human conciousness... he does not really go into the detail on how it will happen and where it will take us... but more the effect of the process and how our inside effects the outside...

[cruise4]

"DNA, Earth Grid, Planets, Cosmology, Geometry, Atomic Structure, Hamonics, Cymatics, Superstring theory, etc?"

King... I'm not getting this stuff off Tsarion. When you've read a 1000 articles from 50 odd different sources then maybe you'll know something about these things and will come to more informed opinion. There is the odd thing worth knowing from Tsarion too.

[king]

In all honesty Tsarion is often very vague about what he generally believes will happen regarding 2012..so on.... stuff like Niburu and so on... he just pushes the info ... the facts and history about it all... but he does not really push them as if he knows its all going to happen.... he teaches and as he does he is also quite open to other concepts..

what he does confirm is an awakening and a change in human conciousness... he does not really go into the detail on how it will happen and where it will take us... but more the effect of the process and how our inside effects the outside...

tw, if you think that you need a guru to interpret the things around you -- then keep following him.

good luck to you.

just make sure you don't waste more years of your life on counterproductive shit like whom did pharaoh had sex with, what is all that snake symbolism about and did so and so existed or not. Since we are there, think really hard does it matter really, for you personally now, what someone have said 6000 years ago, and what _could_ happen on 2012? Does it really matter?

or is it now, that matters?
because not only that we are missing now, but because we are concentrating on past or future -- those who control NOW are actually changing our future, because of our inability to do the best thing that each of us can do in NOW.


funny thing about us humans, we get out of one mind control box (MSM, government, official science..etc) only to get into another form of mental control box (conspiracy theories of conspiracies that happened or could happen), meanwhile we think that we are now free, because such and such guru has
exposed" latest information. Big fucken deal!
How does that changes quality of your life now?

how can we be free if we still follow others, if we waste our time bickering about little details, if instead of looking inside where microcosm of creation is to be found and eternal answers await.

Yes, we still look outside, because someone else, some guru, some expert, some "experienced" person is saying (or pretending) that he knows better. Just like magician, he is saying: "now, look at this information" (trick) and our jaws drop in awe.

Why would you even want to listen what someone like Tsarion has to say, he just keeps forging new conspiracies, keeping
our minds occupied with unimportant shit.

He does not even mention things like psychotronic weaponry,
chemical and biological weapons and rest that we are exposed to. and, no solutions to the problems are ever suggested.
why do you think is that?


sometimes i think that this forum is like Oprah Winfrey show
of Internet.

[thirdwave]

tw, if you think that you need a guru to interpret the things around you -- then keep following him.

good luck to you.


if that's what you really think I'm doing then I cant really do anything about that...

I can assure you that I don't think that I need a Guru, and that's all I can do.

If I was to advice you, I would say learn to let go of "self".... try to be more child like and more open.... then you might start finding certain things more easy to believe and become more intuitive, rather than judgemental.

that's what I think anyway..

[veritas2007]

If I might just throw my tuppence in at this point....

Why should it matter to you King if people want to research the past? Sure, you mentioned it once, but why keep reiterating the point? You talk about control? Pah! Why do you keep pressing TW on this subject?

If you want to concentrate on the now, that's cool, others want to look into to the past to gain some understanding of the now and how we got here.

You've said your bit. Its noted.

Gurus, honestly. Its just research mate - lighten up a bit!

[king]

If I might just throw my tuppence in at this point....

Why should it matter to you King if people want to research the past? Sure, you mentioned it once, but why keep reiterating the point? You talk about control? Pah! Why do you keep pressing TW on this subject?

If you want to concentrate on the now, that's cool, others want to look into to the past to gain some understanding of the now and how we got here.

You've said your bit. Its noted.

Gurus, honestly. Its just research mate - lighten up a bit!

I also have taken a good look in the past, well documented by the people.
that was very interesting and that allowed me to understand things of today better.

but, I was refering to sidetracking of the people with unimportan stuff by unprovable claims and concoctions of some "historian" .

that is what i was trying to tell tw -- do not trust someone who makes up shit.

[aznality]

I've dl/ed that vid for a while already, but was planning to watch it during this break soon.

[cruise4]

King... what are you suggesting the next step should be?

[herebynightfall]

I'm glad so many people found this thread useful.
I see nonsene bickering.

Okay, Michael Tsarion is not obsessed with living in the past.
With his newly opened awareness, he's been researching the past and myths and realizes how they've been changed. And the way that these global mass controllers have taken advantage of a public who don't know that they aren't exactly free.

His perspective has changed my life.
I've just recently begun following the 13 moon calendar.
It's only too natural.
Yeah it's all about using more of your intuition, and less of your ego.
Accepting that you have a dark side of yourself, and not be ashamed of what that consists of. And getting past that, which is the hardest part of recovery from slavery.

[ie11]

I'm glad so many people found this thread useful.
I see nonsene bickering.

Okay, Michael Tsarion is not obsessed with living in the past.
With his newly opened awareness, he's been researching the past and myths and realizes how they've been changed. And the way that these global mass controllers have taken advantage of a public who don't know that they aren't exactly free.

His perspective has changed my life.
I've just recently begun following the 13 moon calendar.
It's only too natural.
Yeah it's all about using more of your intuition, and less of your ego.
Accepting that you have a dark side of yourself, and not be ashamed of what that consists of. And getting past that, which is the hardest part of recovery from slavery.

very good post

[razed1]

I watched his 2012 videos that were mentioned here.
I can describe those videos with few words: bollox, lies, concoctions, science fiction that is mixed up with truth.
typical BS vcrap.

but, maybe i am crazy, as you imply? so...let's see what Tsation was pushing a while back:

Niburu is comming

wrong, never said this, he said he doesnt really beleive that nibiru is real, even if it is, this is something that is speculation for any researcher

Reptilian ETs are returning

never said this either
HAARP is the net/veil that reptilians erected around the earth

another misinformed LIE, he never HAARP was responsible for that etheric barrier around the circumference of the moons orbit

humans were 4 times genetically modified, from MK1 to MK4 beings, MK4 beings are us, and we are not even adamic because after every "GM modification" humans got even more dumbed down. So, we are 4 times as dumb, as original man!

he said the alien visitors created mk1 beings, which were super intelligent and good, and that we are the mk2, and then they created the reptilian servants, you're just a fountain of misinformation

"roach cleaner is coming" ... he said angrily ("roaches" are us, we the "profane")

no hes referring to the evil doers as the roaches,

we are mentally "dirty" and we need to do some psychological cleansing (typical "blame the victim" mentality and he cites Freud and Young -- illumie "experts")

yes man generally has become materialistic, a person such as yourself, who lives in hypocrisy and their own little make beleive world

He was also pushing Crowleyanity, Blavatskyanity, Hinduism, various form of black magic, occult, tarot, and "divination arts" but always did a stab at Christianity...

you havent read any books by crowley or blavatsky, all you information about the "illuminati" comes from other ppl opinions, your a follower in your own path to enlightenmetn, which is a pathetic state, and lumping hindoo, divination arts, occult, black magic, all in the same ignorant catergory, shows the level of sophistication in your research and thought processes, and mtsar and j..maxwell have a great respect for christianity and its teachings, but not this corrupted version that is mainstream today

now, do you really want to believe that conman with his
disposable theories?

it seems youre the conman passing false statements as truth, when anybody who actually PAYS ATTENTION to what tsarion is talkin, knows all youre so called "proof" is baloney

do you want to get his information on hystory and science?

more egotisitical mental farts from king



just enough to KNOW that you are listening to a conman and
you are not even able to understand that no human being can possibly know all of those areas of science to that degree as Tsarion is claiming!

and after he was exposed for scum that he is, many people have awakened to his scams. He went quiet for some time, then lo and behol -- he came as a shrink and expert on Irish civilization

Thanks to the thinking people of this world Tsarion has been exposed and therefore he dropped all of those theories except origins of civilization stories (that no one can prove/disprove) and psycho-analysis, that again is debatable.
But, conviniently, he blames us for our mental state in insane
world that we live in.

yes, WTF.. hod has a "historian" tuned into
a shrink, a DNA expert, a theoretical physicist overnight?

Are you telling me that Tsarion knows as much as Michio Kaku, Albert Einstein, Bruce Lipton, David Horowitz .... all the way
to likes of Michael Cremo and Joseph Campbell?
People who spent years in those and other areas of science?

Well, for your information i have caught Tsarion more than a few times in lies; from his claim that accura (car) symbol is masonic symbol (it is not, it represents a measuring caliper, therefore the name -- accura, as accurate, precision)
to some of his translations of latin words that i could not find, nor could my friend doctor who knows Latin really well...


see, if we have done research for ourselves -- we would avoid the situation of being led around like blind are led.

all I am saying here is -- do not believe anyone, do your own research.


king is an example of one of those 'conspiracy junkies' who already has an opinion formed before he ingests information by said author, and just crafts and pick and chooses his little points, or buzzwords to suit his original predefined opinion

this is exactly the type of SHEEP that icke denounces. only problem thinks hes 'awoken" and goes around bad mouthing researchers that have provided information to expose the structures in the world

theres nothing more pathetic that uninformed, ego driven conspiracy junkies, theyve outsheeped the sheep!!

[razed1]

You see my post as negative. Thats your perception.

Sometimes individual people need to be slapped for the greater good of mankind! Think about this!

(edit) i dont care about the past, for it is the past. I only focus on what is, the moment, now, present. We can only do things now not yesterday. Who cares if Tsarion is right or wrong, will knowing about his theories or the past save the present and our near future?

of course your post is negative and ignorant

what fool says "who cares about the past"

if you had any common sense, youd realize that if you want to know where you are going, you have to know where you ARE, and you want to know where you are, you have to know where youve BEEN

i hope that wasnt too confusing for you,

but its because of this disconnect that the cultures today have with the past, that the illuminati have been to take over pretty much all institutions and are able to 'create' this false modern left brained culture, primarily the western world, and modern day islam, chrisitianiyt

these modernday cultures/traditions/religions ALL do not perceive this reality from a spiritual, but rather a materialistsic point of view, andbody that does have a tradtition or religion that does keep this spiritual aspect to their customs,

these cultures were either destroyed throught COLONIZATION, (taking a ppl and removing them from their lands and transporting them to far away, where they are cut off from their roots, ex african ppls brought into carribean, or east indians turned into west indians), OR they simply slaughtered the natives (too many examples of this)

so think twice about the wisdom that YOURE forefathers and ancestors kept and preserved for you in such clever ways, pay respect to the old ones, get out of your selfish ego

[razed1]

tw, if you think that you need a guru to interpret the things around you -- then keep following him.

good luck to you.

just make sure you don't waste more years of your life on counterproductive shit like whom did pharaoh had sex with, what is all that snake symbolism about and did so and so existed or not. Since we are there, think really hard does it matter really, for you personally now, what someone have said 6000 years ago, and what _could_ happen on 2012? Does it really matter?

or is it now, that matters?
because not only that we are missing now, but because we are concentrating on past or future -- those who control NOW are actually changing our future, because of our inability to do the best thing that each of us can do in NOW.


funny thing about us humans, we get out of one mind control box (MSM, government, official science..etc) only to get into another form of mental control box (conspiracy theories of conspiracies that happened or could happen), meanwhile we think that we are now free, because such and such guru has
exposed" latest information. Big fucken deal!
How does that changes quality of your life now?

how can we be free if we still follow others, if we waste our time bickering about little details, if instead of looking inside where microcosm of creation is to be found and eternal answers await.

Yes, we still look outside, because someone else, some guru, some expert, some "experienced" person is saying (or pretending) that he knows better. Just like magician, he is saying: "now, look at this information" (trick) and our jaws drop in awe.

Why would you even want to listen what someone like Tsarion has to say, he just keeps forging new conspiracies, keeping
our minds occupied with unimportant shit.

He does not even mention things like psychotronic weaponry,
chemical and biological weapons and rest that we are exposed to. and, no solutions to the problems are ever suggested.
why do you think is that?


sometimes i think that this forum is like Oprah Winfrey show
of Internet.

dont delude yourslef,

you are the one that needs to do some serious homework