Jehovas witnesses?

[hoovermat]

How bout those Jehovas witnesses? I´ve been studying the bible with them for some time, free of charge, and they´re wery polite and so on. But I wonder what they wan´t with me? They´ve been knocking on my door for fifteen years so I figured that I had to find out for myself...
I´ve told them I´d never join their "club" but still they r very keen on "converting" me... Anyone have info bout them and what makes them tick?

[thereisonlywe]

How bout those Jehovas witnesses? I´ve been studying the bible with them for some time, free of charge, and they´re wery polite and so on. But I wonder what they wan´t with me? They´ve been knocking on my door for fifteen years so I figured that I had to find out for myself...
I´ve told them I´d never join their "club" but still they r very keen on "converting" me... Anyone have info bout them and what makes them tick?

Fact: If someone consistently tries to "convert" you, then there is no way (s)he can be religious.

Explanation: They are trying to make you feel important in order to use you in their work.

A religious person: is someone who shares the advice of the One and goes back to where (s)he came from.

Love&Peace

[biblegirl]

all of the Jehovas Witnesses I have encountered are very sweet people with a humble disposition

imo a bible study is best done without the influence of any religion so you can get a full picture :)

[hoovermat]

Thanks for replying! True that they make me feel important... but studying the bible without help from people who r religious seems a bit hard...
I´m a believer of reincarnation so we have an ongoing debate... I refer to all the books I´ve read but they almost don´t want to touch them. They say there´s too many books bout spiritual stuff...

[pythaem]

Ya JW's seem nice.

There's a Baha'i place down the street from my house. One time a couple knocked on my door and said "We'd like to invite you to come by sometime. It's just a very warm and welcoming place with lots of friendly people."

I thanked them for their time and said I would think about it. I never went. They were very friendly and used kind words, but for some reason they really gave me the creeps. Something in me was yelling incredibly loud "bad! stay away!"

Any thoughts on why this happens with some folks? I have my theories but would love to hear some other experiences or ideas on that :)

[soleil]

An ex of mine was a JW but she was excluded from fellowship because she was living with me. Just be aware that you'd be expected to observe their social teachings and the elders are not your laissez-faire CoE vicar types.

I went to one meeting and I found the people very genuine and the service is like a non-conformed Protestant meeting.

They don't believe in the trinity or that Jesus was crucified on a cross but on a pole. In both regards, they agree with Zeitgeist that the trinity and the cross are pagan in origin.

Their founder Russel however, is buried under a small pyramid which sports a Knights Templar cross and crown emblem which I find strange.

When in France, someone told me that the JWs are the closest sect to the Cathars who provoked the ire of the Roman Church and even a crusade against them.

[1964]

How bout those Jehovas witnesses? I´ve been studying the bible with them for some time, free of charge, and they´re wery polite and so on. But I wonder what they wan´t with me? They´ve been knocking on my door for fifteen years so I figured that I had to find out for myself...
I´ve told them I´d never join their "club" but still they r very keen on "converting" me... Anyone have info bout them and what makes them tick?

The JW's are part of a large group of organizations that fall under the category of Protestantism. The Roman Catholic church has already been identified as an imposter in the Book of Revelation, and it was in the 1500s that the RCC gave birth to the Protestant Movement - which went on to give birth to all the "denominations" that are in the world today. And now, through something called the "Ecumenical Movement", led by organizations like the World Council of Churches, the Protestant churches are all returning to their Roman mother, the Catholic church.

These groups/churches all have one thing in common: Everyone of them follows their own version/perversion of the Holy Bible, as opposed to following the Holy Bible itself. A powerful world-wide deception that Christ, Himself, warned us would happen and that's happening by the billions. In this forum, for example, there are many people who profess to be Christians. But I've met only two who believe in the Word of God precisely as God has given it to us. The rest all do what the Catholic and Protestant churches have been doing for hundreds of years - they create their own versions/perversions of the Holy Bible to better suit their personal beliefs, when Jesus Christ has warned that doing so is a crime of the highest order.

Jesus Christ warned that the way is narrow, and few find it. The world of false Christendom currently makes up for approx. 33% of the world's total population. Don't be taken in by it!

[the perfect one]

Ya JW's seem nice.

There's a Baha'i place down the street from my house. One time a couple knocked on my door and said "We'd like to invite you to come by sometime. It's just a very warm and welcoming place with lots of friendly people."

I thanked them for their time and said I would think about it. I never went. They were very friendly and used kind words, but for some reason they really gave me the creeps. Something in me was yelling incredibly loud "bad! stay away!"

Any thoughts on why this happens with some folks? I have my theories but would love to hear some other experiences or ideas on that :)

Well, I had a brief ordeal with them. No I dont trust them at all . Sorry everyone, but the ones I had -were up to something. They always wanted to talk to me and not concerned to talk to my husband. They constantly asked if my dogs were mean. Dont know why they would keep asking the same question. When I finally politely told them I prefer to study the Bible in private and that I did not want to see them waste their time coming out to see me,one of them got angry for no reason and ripped the pamplet they just gave me,right out of my hands and gave me the evil eye. I considered it un God like. I was so polite when I said it and really I was saving them the hassle. I think they had another reason for coming to me all the time. It was right during all my mkultra sibling stuff.

[biblegirl]

Thanks for replying! True that they make me feel important... but studying the bible without help from people who r religious seems a bit hard...
I´m a believer of reincarnation so we have an ongoing debate... I refer to all the books I´ve read but they almost don´t want to touch them. They say there´s too many books bout spiritual stuff...

yeah any sort of spiritual book other than what is approved by their church is major tabboo for them

i think reincarnation may be Biblical, contrary to church teachings, here are a couple threads where we talk about it:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78912
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107343&highlight=reincarnation

:)

[biblegirl]

Well, I had a brief ordeal with them. No I dont trust them at all . Sorry everyone, but the ones I had -were up to something. They always wanted to talk to me and not concerned to talk to my husband. They constantly asked if my dogs were mean. Dont know why they would keep asking the same question. When I finally politely told them I prefer to study the Bible in private and that I did not want to see them waste their time coming out to see me,one of them got angry for no reason and ripped the pamplet they just gave me,right out of my hands and gave me the evil eye. I considered it un God like. I was so polite when I said it and really I was saving them the hassle. I think they had another reason for coming to me all the time. It was right during all my mkultra sibling stuff.

yeah i understand that sometimes people can get strange vibes from these guys and i've heard that some situations can get intense :D...the ones who have come to my door always seemed polite but nervous, and the two I worked with were some of the best employees I ever had

the JWs have built their halls on prime sacred sites in this town, so this is a clue to me that it is run by the same people who run catholicism and other Christian religions

[aronia]

How bout those Jehovas witnesses? I´ve been studying the bible with them for some time, free of charge, and they´re wery polite and so on. But I wonder what they wan´t with me? They´ve been knocking on my door for fifteen years so I figured that I had to find out for myself...
I´ve told them I´d never join their "club" but still they r very keen on "converting" me... Anyone have info bout them and what makes them tick?

Yes they are always very polite.

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[mr stoppitall]

Every JW that has ever knocked on my door has always carried this certian presence with them that I could not put my finger on yet it lead me into a feeling of extreme caution.

Our relationship with god is personal and there is no being on this planet that can really dispute that, you need no church or pastor when you realise that god resides within your heart.

[orlibonurb]

Jeremiah {17:9} The heart [is] deceitful above all [things,] and desperately wicked: who can know it? {17:10} I the LORD search the heart, [I[ try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.

[mr stoppitall]

It is only god to whom you must show your faith.

[clachan]

How bout those Jehovas witnesses? I´ve been studying the bible with them for some time, free of charge, and they´re wery polite and so on. But I wonder what they wan´t with me? They´ve been knocking on my door for fifteen years so I figured that I had to find out for myself...
I´ve told them I´d never join their "club" but still they r very keen on "converting" me... Anyone have info bout them and what makes them tick?

I did a bible course for over a year with the JW,s.The idea is to bring you into the fold and baptise you as a JW.
My relationship with them ended because I believe that parts of the bible are written in myth form and convey truth in symbolism rather than the actual events as written.
But thats only my opinion and its up to the individual to draw their own conclusions.
Rhey were OK as people,just hell bent on recruiting you.
Like so many other Christian factions they believe that they and they alone follow the narrow path to salvation.

[choice]

H... Anyone have info bout them and what makes them tick?

The same as other converters: nothing better to do with their time.
And probably a lot on insecurity inside themselves.

[clachan]

The JW's are part of a large group of organizations that fall under the category of Protestantism. The Roman Catholic church has already been identified as an imposter in the Book of Revelation, and it was in the 1500s that the RCC gave birth to the Protestant Movement - which went on to give birth to all the "denominations" that are in the world today. And now, through something called the "Ecumenical Movement", led by organizations like the World Council of Churches, the Protestant churches are all returning to their Roman mother, the Catholic church.

These groups/churches all have one thing in common: Everyone of them follows their own version/perversion of the Holy Bible, as opposed to following the Holy Bible itself. A powerful world-wide deception that Christ, Himself, warned us would happen and that's happening by the billions. In this forum, for example, there are many people who profess to be Christians. But I've met only two who believe in the Word of God precisely as God has given it to us. The rest all do what the Catholic and Protestant churches have been doing for hundreds of years - they create their own versions/perversions of the Holy Bible to better suit their personal beliefs, when Jesus Christ has warned that doing so is a crime of the highest order.

Jesus Christ warned that the way is narrow, and few find it. The world of false Christendom currently makes up for approx. 33% of the world's total population. Don't be taken in by it!

Yes,there are many who profess to be Christians and follow the precise word of God as written......woman,why do you ignore 1 Timothy 2;12 ? and 1 Corinthians 14;34 ?

If you followed the word of God as written then you would remain silent and subordinate on spiritual matters ! Yet you do the exact opposite.

How can you come here instructing others to follow the word of God when you yourself ignore it ?

[tannah]

Yes,there are many who profess to be Christians and follow the precise word of God as written......woman,why do you ignore 1 Timothy 2;12 ? and 1 Corinthians 14;34 ?

If you followed the word of God as written then you would remain silent and subordinate on spiritual matters ! Yet you do the exact opposite.

How can you come here instructing others to follow the word of God when you yourself ignore it ?

What you're also suggesting is that the bible is pretty sexist. I suppose Satan gave women more of a say nowadays? That wouldn't be 1964's explanation I know.:D But Orli the "every single word" man would have to agree that it has to be Satan that has liberated woman from Paulism. God says woman should be quiet, but look how many women are in public positions of authority now. And here's to women being liberated from the sexist aspects of the Muslim faith too.

[clachan]

What you're also suggesting is that the bible is pretty sexist. I suppose Satan gave women more of a say nowadays? That wouldn't be 1964's explanation I know.:D But Orli the "every single word" man would have to agree that it has to be Satan that has liberated woman from Paulism. God says woman should be quiet, but look how many women are in public positions of authority now. And here's to women being liberated from the sexist aspects of the Muslim faith too.

Well then,its people like Orli who should be pointing out to 1964 that she is acting in direct contrast to 1 Timothy 2;12.He quotes the bible often but never goes near this obvious hypocracy coming from 1964.
I would,nt mention it either if it was not for the fact that these 2 use scripture,word for word,as there yardstick to poke at others.Why are they blind to this ?
As Christians its central to our belief to take an honest look at ourselves before pointing the finger at others.1964 in paricular needs to ask herself some serious questions,she is not putting into practice what she is preaching..If she wants to set the bar high then so be it.

[tannah]

Well then,its people like Orli who should be pointing out to 1964 that she is acting in direct contrast to 1 Timothy 2;12.He quotes the bible often but never goes near this obvious hypocracy coming from 1964.
I would,nt mention it either if it was not for the fact that these 2 use scripture,word for word,as there yardstick to poke at others.Why are they blind to this ?



Well most people have the common sense to realize that the cultures around the times of the bible were very patriarchal. But folks like 1964 and Orli do go way OTT and so should be held to following the word of the bible to the letter. In which case 1964 breaks with the letter of the bible. But then I'm glad, as I cannot see a valid reason why women should hold their tonque. Paul blamed Eve for sin entering the world?

JWs would no doubt say that Orli and 1964 dont have "Accurate Knowledge" like they the JWs do. So many chosen fews.

[biblegirl]

I see orli and 1964 as being sincere people with good intentions. When i was a missionary i used to sound the same, so i can't think the less of anyone who is still in that position, or of the JWs for that matter...I know what it is like to knock on doors and hand out literature, i just truly believed i was doing the right thing and saving people's souls.

The truth is that the people trapped in these christian religions are some of the most oppressed, guilty, and unhappy people in the world, which they believe is the christian struggle with sin nature, and persecution from the outside world. Well when you factor in that a christian is supposed to be known by their love and should have a peace that passes understanding, things don't quite add up. I found out that I was doing it totally wrong after years of following the official born again routine. My whole body and spirit would be protesting when I went to convert people, and my pastor told me this was just what the power of the holy spirit felt like. Well, that's not true. Because the Holy Spirit is a comforter and does not feed on fear. Comfort was the last thing I felt when invading people's homes and telling them of their need to repent. It was fear mongering, plain and simple. Fear and guilt are the emotions which demons flock to. And when you go to convert people, how do you do it? By making them feel guilty (of their sins) and fearful (of hell). This is an evil practice as far as I'm concerned, and brings people closer to Satan than to Christ imo. But most of the people who do it truly believe they are doing God's will, and would never dream of doing it if they thought it was wrong. I can almost guarantee you the average christian doesn't do this for fun. In fact they suffer quite a guilt trip when they pray or go to church and haven't handed out any tracks or converted new people that week. It's a very oppressive lifestyle to those I know who are still involved in it.

The JWs seem confused but sincere. I have had some JWs or Mormons come by the house and offer to chop and stack firewood for me. I thought that was really cool, but I wasn't interested in their literature so I declined. Still, I feel this is a very good-hearted thing of them to offer and I can appreciate that, ulterior motives or not. Helping people is what Christ would have wanted us to do imo.

[clachan]

Well most people have the common sense to realize that the cultures around the times of the bible were very patriarchal. But folks like 1964 and Orli do go way OTT and so should be held to following the word of the bible to the letter. In which case 1964 breaks with the letter of the bible. But then I'm glad, as I cannot see a valid reason why women should hold their tonque. Paul blamed Eve for sin entering the world?

JWs would no doubt say that Orli and 1964 dont have "Accurate Knowledge" like they the JWs do. So many chosen fews.

Well I dont see why woman should remain silent,the person who,s opinion i respect the most on this whole forum is a woman.
But 1964 does think that woman should remain silent because of 1 Timothy 2:12,but she does not comply to her own opinion,so she cannot agree with 1 Timothy 2:12 :confused:

Strange that regards this question we do get silence isn,t it ?

[clachan]

I see orli and 1964 as being sincere people with good intentions. When i was a missionary i used to sound the same, so i can't think the less of anyone who is still in that position, or of the JWs for that matter...I know what it is like to knock on doors and hand out literature, i just truly believed i was doing the right thing and saving people's souls.

The truth is that the people trapped in these christian religions are some of the most oppressed, guilty, and unhappy people in the world, which they believe is the christian struggle with sin nature, and persecution from the outside world. Well when you factor in that a christian is supposed to be known by their love and should have a peace that passes understanding, things don't quite add up. I found out that I was doing it totally wrong after years of following the official born again routine. My whole body and spirit would be protesting when I went to convert people, and my pastor told me this was just what the power of the holy spirit felt like. Well, that's not true. Because the Holy Spirit is a comforter and does not feed on fear. Comfort was the last thing I felt when invading people's homes and telling them of their need to repent. It was fear mongering, plain and simple. Fear and guilt are the emotions which demons flock to. And when you go to convert people, how do you do it? By making them feel guilty (of their sins) and fearful (of hell). This is an evil practice as far as I'm concerned, and brings people closer to Satan than to Christ imo. But most of the people who do it truly believe they are doing God's will, and would never dream of doing it if they thought it was wrong. I can almost guarantee you the average christian doesn't do this for fun. In fact they suffer quite a guilt trip when they pray or go to church and haven't handed out any tracks or converted new people that week. It's a very oppressive lifestyle to those I know who are still involved in it.

The JWs seem confused but sincere. I have had some JWs or Mormons come by the house and offer to chop and stack firewood for me. I thought that was really cool, but I wasn't interested in their literature so I declined. Still, I feel this is a very good-hearted thing of them to offer and I can appreciate that, ulterior motives or not. Helping people is what Christ would have wanted us to do imo.

Nice post.
Jesus forgave sin and told people not to fear.
Guilt and fear are the 2 biggest obstacles that stunt spiritual growth and lead to unhappiness.That can then lead onto drink and drugs from a feeling of worthlessness and from there into a living hell.

[hoovermat]

Bible studies with Jehovas r still very interesting... finally someone to talk about spiritual stuff with... But reincarnation and spiritism r from the evil one they say which I can´t buy (yet)

[nickos]

..one of their more absurd beliefs(i spoke for about half an hour with some witnesses at the local kingdom hall)is that "only 144 000 people go to heaven" and that happens when i don't know! they also believe that the devil has controlled the world since the beginning of time,and that only JWs know the truth! sure, they all seem nice, but wouldn't you be polite and wellmannered if you went about knocking on strangers' doors to preach your own religious beliefs???a neighbour of mine has the same thing as you(bible reading lessons)and i hear first hand accounts of their blatant propoganda-they 'read' different meanings into the bible than any religion. at the Meeting i went to i was stunned at how 'simpleminded' they all seemed, they, like many many other religions, believe that 'jesus WILL return' but when confronted with any type of religious belief that is not in the bible or 'foretold' by the bible they too bash people round the head with biblical nonsense!
forget the bible!it is NOT important to life any more!it is two THOUSAND years old, if not older, and people have GOT to realise there have been 21 messiahs SINCE jesus!the so-called 'resurrection' happens once every hundred years, or so i assume from my vantage point as THIS century's messiah(and with that the MILLENIAL messiah)!if you'd like to know more about it go to www.kingstuddos-thesunking.co.uk/, but prepare to be shocked!!!

[cathar]

The JW's is a manufactured religion like Scientology...The guy that started it was NWO
all the way...You can probably google it...it's been too long ago that I read it ,,but it was a reliable source...if you join almost any religious group you end up paying dues,,plus religions pay no taxes,,& some people end up willing money & land to them when they die....The JW's are a long term confidence game...The Catholic church has been doing it for 2 k years...

[suthseaxan]

Cunch of Bunts knocking the door on a Sunday morning with "are you ready for the Apocalypse" F*** right off non Xmas present buying tossers.

[01cobravortech]

The JW's are part of a large group of organizations that fall under the category of Protestantism. The Roman Catholic church has already been identified as an imposter in the Book of Revelation, and it was in the 1500s that the RCC gave birth to the Protestant Movement - which went on to give birth to all the "denominations" that are in the world today. And now, through something called the "Ecumenical Movement", led by organizations like the World Council of Churches, the Protestant churches are all returning to their Roman mother, the Catholic church.

These groups/churches all have one thing in common: Everyone of them follows their own version/perversion of the Holy Bible, as opposed to following the Holy Bible itself. A powerful world-wide deception that Christ, Himself, warned us would happen and that's happening by the billions. In this forum, for example, there are many people who profess to be Christians. But I've met only two who believe in the Word of God precisely as God has given it to us. The rest all do what the Catholic and Protestant churches have been doing for hundreds of years - they create their own versions/perversions of the Holy Bible to better suit their personal beliefs, when Jesus Christ has warned that doing so is a crime of the highest order.

Jesus Christ warned that the way is narrow, and few find it. The world of false Christendom currently makes up for approx. 33% of the world's total population. Don't be taken in by it!

The JWs are a cult. What do you consider is the embodiment of having a Christian belief? While I agree there are many issues and biblically conflicting qualities in many of today's denominations of Christianity, that certainly doesn't negate the promise that Jesus made to those that would believe and receive His promise. While I have my own issues with the catholic Church institution, millions upon millions of people have come to know Jesus Christ through that denomination. The same applies to other denominations. As Christians we need to be very careful attacking other believers because if we fundamentally agree on Jesus Christ being God, coming to earth to die for our sins and raising himself from the dead, then we believe int eh gospel. The gospel is clearly defined in the Bible for us in.

The biggest problem I see within Christianity today is the abject failure of Christians studying biblical prophecy. We may be on the verge of the "harpazo" of the church and two incredible Middle East wars prophesied in Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 & 39. Much of the Christian church today is as guilty as the Pharisees when it came to not recognizing the times. As far as other problems, the vast majority of the church today continues to embrace and promote "replacement theology." Advancing this biblically incorrect interpretation that the church has replaced Israel and that all of the promises that God made to the Jews are null and void. Well if that's the case, then that makes God a liar and no Christian should be sleeping well at night. The other problems surround disgraces like Joel Osteen and Rick Warren who continue to peddle a false doctrine deceiving many. People that call themselves Christain, should be prepared to be made Christ-like and should be prepared that they may be experiencing immense suffering in this world. Gone from Christian thinking today is understanding long suffering and the fruits that it will bare for the kingdom to come.

[hoovermat]

"Cunch of Bunts knocking the door on a Sunday morning with "are you ready for the Apocalypse" F*** right off non Xmas present buying tossers. "
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Súþseaxan

I thought the same, had the same feeling bout them for 15 years... funny way to say it... Still I haven´t joined their religious beliefs... But they r too nice!

[ben87]

144000, is no joke. it came from gospel of barnabus which is now a banned text in xtianity, they are trying cover up the facts with lies.

you should learn about this.

[manxboz]

144000, is no joke. it came from gospel of barnabus which is now a banned text in xtianity, they are trying cover up the facts with lies.

you should learn about this.

Not really it is meantioned twice within the Standard bible text as well. It states

Chapter 14
The Lamb stands on Mount Sion with the company of His elect
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.


It is amazing how people one minute will say that the Bible is literal and the Word of God, then turn there mind and make excuses for bits they don't like. Yes and before people start attacking my post, I know of the many interpretations that churches and people believe in, I did an essay on it a few years back on a Theology Course.

[ben87]

Thank you, that is a lovely piece of text.

[ben87]

the harpers, the harp is a interesting symbol.

[manxboz]

the harpers, the harp is a interesting symbol.

I do agree, very interesting.