Not sure what i "believe" anymore.

[joy division]

I have been sure for the last few years or so that there was something going on with the NWO/Illumies and the "secrets" being kept from the masses but i just dont know what to think anymore.

[devin]

I have been sure for the last few years or so that there was something going on with the NWO/Illumies and the "secrets" being kept from the masses but i just dont know what to think anymore.

Find the answers yourself is my advice and don't take anybody's word for it anymore. After all, I would suspect that almost everything you have learned about the NWO/Illuminati is from little text on a mysterious light box. Or from small figures moving around with sound coming from a different kind of light box... It's all so unreal when it's this way, is it not?

[devin]

I must say though, the skies were filled with chemtrails yesterday and I saw two UFOs flying in the night sky.

[cheesedanish]

Thats what they want - confusion - and they are doing a great job!
Yes, it is difficult to take all this information in and discern truth.
Maybe sometimes it's good to take a big step back to see the Big
Picture. We have to use our Intution to 'know' what is true.

I also don't know everything but am open to learn.

[albie]

How can you be sure when you people don't check what you post?

A simple curtesy. If you post it, check it.

[chris]

Thats what they want - confusion - and they are doing a great job!
Yes, it is difficult to take all this information in and discern truth.
Maybe sometimes it's good to take a big step back to see the Big
Picture. We have to use our Intution to 'know' what is true.

I also don't know everything but am open to learn.

Then again, without confusion; how do we learn?

Joy, I always try to erase my belief systems and build them back up again...I usually find it helps builds a greater foundation and understanding. I think confusion is the best place to be.

[albie]

If you are not confused then you are lying to yourself.

[joy division]

How can you be sure when you people don't check what you post?

A simple curtesy. If you post it, check it.

who is this aimed at and can u explain what you mean?

[joy division]

Then again, without confusion; how do we learn?

Joy, I always try to erase my belief systems and build them back up again...I usually find it helps builds a greater foundation and understanding. I think confusion is the best place to be.

I know what you mean chris.

At this current time and for a while now i feel like i am at a half way house, neither here nor there. Maybe this is a could place to be.

[albie]

Time and time again I've been given evidence that turns out to be either 100% wrong or only half true.

And I keep getting those same bits of evidence fired at me from different people.

We all do it. We all jump to conclusions. I try not to.

A common curtesy.

[spacegurl]

Thats what they want - confusion - and they are doing a great job!
Yes, it is difficult to take all this information in and discern truth.
Maybe sometimes it's good to take a big step back to see the Big
Picture. We have to use our Intution to 'know' what is true.

I also don't know everything but am open to learn.

No you can't use your intuition to "know" what is true. Logic dictates. Reason comes before instinct. This is the way of civilised men and women of the 21st century. How then can you claim to be "open" to learn when you just said you're going to view everything through intuition? Basically what that means is you're going to believe in anything without evidence.

[joss classey]

i don't know about the rest of you but the clarity on reality i now have has done me no favours in seeking solutions to the problems at hand. the fact is that i am not prepared to commit evil to destroy evil. and it's a lost cause essentially.

i think to the end of the last matrix film where the conclusion is 'it's inevitable'. you may as well give in.

[cheesedanish]

Ha ha ... thats just confusing Spacegurl....

[razed1]

No you can't use your intuition to "know" what is true. Logic dictates. Reason comes before instinct. This is the way of civilised men and women of the 21st century. How then can you claim to be "open" to learn when you just said you're going to view everything through intuition? Basically what that means is you're going to believe in anything without evidence.

youve got a LOT to learn spacegurl


you know that big tsunami that happened in southeast asia a few years ago???

the one that killed like 300,000 ppl??


well funny enough, there was NO animal bodies found

now did the animals sit over a cup of tea, and logically decipher whther they shoudl move or not, acting so civilised??? those 'civilised' humans, they all perished.... or maybe you think that southern indians and orientals, theyre not as civilised as lets say and englishman??


ragardless, the animals survived the disaster,

ask yourself WHY

what you call civilised is nothing more than illuminati brainwashing creating mental labrynths for you to forver toll in


the animals consciousness is direclty plugged into the earth matrix, anything you could possibly want to know in the universe is at the tip of your fingers when 'follow your intuition', like they say 'just follow ya nose..."

but dont be dismayed, we are all RE-learning our natural way

[hutanic]

I have been sure for the last few years or so that there was something going on with the NWO/Illumies and the "secrets" being kept from the masses but i just dont know what to think anymore.

Joy why put such importance on beliefs?

There are many thing i believe in based on certain facts or indications and don't treat them as anything more then beliefs. But on other hand there are things i know from my experience and seeing with my own eyes.

My advice is take what u know and stick to it, while treating beliefs merely as fun thoughts until u get to bottom of any particular subject and find out what truth is.

[whitelightrabbit]

I have been sure for the last few years or so that there was something going on with the NWO/Illumies and the "secrets" being kept from the masses but i just dont know what to think anymore.

i've felt like you before. the main thing i learned is, don't believe what you are told, take everything with a grain of salt. figure out what is important and focus on that. this conspiracy stuff can distract you and keep you from what is really important in your life.

*edit, i just saw hutanic's post, saying almost the same thing :)

[spacegurl]

youve got a LOT to learn spacegurl


you know that big tsunami that happened in southeast asia a few years ago???

the one that killed like 300,000 ppl??


well funny enough, there was NO animal bodies found

now did the animals sit over a cup of tea, and logically decipher whther they shoudl move or not, acting so civilised??? those 'civilised' humans, they all perished.... or maybe you think that southern indians and orientals, theyre not as civilised as lets say and englishman??


ragardless, the animals survived the disaster,

ask yourself WHY

what you call civilised is nothing more than illuminati brainwashing creating mental labrynths for you to forver toll in


the animals consciousness is direclty plugged into the earth matrix, anything you could possibly want to know in the universe is at the tip of your fingers when 'follow your intuition', like they say 'just follow ya nose..."

but dont be dismayed, we are all RE-learning our natural way

Actually I was talking to Cheesedanish, not you or anyone else. You didn't understand a word I was saying.
I never once suggested the people who perished in the disaster were uncivilised. WTF did you get that from? That comes from you. Also you're repeating everything David Icke says. That isn't the mind of a civilised person (meaning who can make their own mind up and think independantly) but someone who is quite easily influenced.
Where is the source/link to say no animals perished in the disaster? Please show me that finding.

[spacegurl]

youve got a LOT to learn spacegurl


you know that big tsunami that happened in southeast asia a few years ago???

the one that killed like 300,000 ppl??


well funny enough, there was NO animal bodies found

now did the animals sit over a cup of tea, and logically decipher whther they shoudl move or not, acting so civilised??? those 'civilised' humans, they all perished.... or maybe you think that southern indians and orientals, theyre not as civilised as lets say and englishman??


ragardless, the animals survived the disaster,

ask yourself WHY

what you call civilised is nothing more than illuminati brainwashing creating mental labrynths for you to forver toll in


the animals consciousness is direclty plugged into the earth matrix, anything you could possibly want to know in the universe is at the tip of your fingers when 'follow your intuition', like they say 'just follow ya nose..."

but dont be dismayed, we are all RE-learning our natural way

My post was aimed at cheesedanish, not you. You didn't understand a word I was saying either. I never once suggested those people who were killed in the disaster were unclivilised. You're putting words in my mouth. I was talking about something else, such as thinking independantly as opposed to being influenced completely by another person. Your post sounds like it's influenced too much by David Icke and I'm sure you didn't think that way before reading his books. You should learn to make your own mind up as I have. I don't go around believeing in reptile shapeshifters and other bloody events without hard evidence. Please show me the source about no animals being killed in the disaster. I'd love to see it.

[tejas]

youve got a LOT to learn spacegurl


you know that big tsunami that happened in southeast asia a few years ago???

the one that killed like 300,000 ppl??


well funny enough, there was NO animal bodies found

now did the animals sit over a cup of tea, and logically decipher whther they shoudl move or not, acting so civilised??? those 'civilised' humans, they all perished.... or maybe you think that southern indians and orientals, theyre not as civilised as lets say and englishman??


ragardless, the animals survived the disaster,

ask yourself WHY

what you call civilised is nothing more than illuminati brainwashing creating mental labrynths for you to forver toll in


the animals consciousness is direclty plugged into the earth matrix, anything you could possibly want to know in the universe is at the tip of your fingers when 'follow your intuition', like they say 'just follow ya nose..."

but dont be dismayed, we are all RE-learning our natural way

Yes but sometimes we confuse ourselves. Intuition is not always right, it can be wrong as well. If it is a bodily process it can be tricked.
Look at Derren Brown.

Also the animals were just following pure instinct, they have apparatus to do so.

[tejas]

I think you've misunderstood what I said but anyway. Where is the source/link to say no animals perished in the disaster? Please show me that finding.

What your saying is exactly what you can read in David Icke's books. He said that. Your copying what he's saying just like so many people do on this forum.

I agree with you 100%

People just tend to copy what he says without any idea to what it means at all.

Follow your intuition? What the hell does that mean?

[spacegurl]

I agree with you 100%

People just tend to copy what he says without any idea to what it means at all.

Follow your intuition? What the hell does that mean?

Exactly. People seem to mimick everything David Icke says.

I've noticed that on this thread I can't seem to edit my posts without reverting back to how they were and a copy of my earlier post has duplicated. Strange. Maybe someone can tell me why this is happening?

[razed1]

My post was aimed at cheesedanish, not you. You didn't understand a word I was saying either. I never once suggested those people who were killed in the disaster were unclivilised. You're putting words in my mouth. I was talking about something else, such as thinking independantly as opposed to being influenced completely by another person. Your post sounds like it's influenced too much by David Icke and I'm sure you didn't think that way before reading his books. You should learn to make your own mind up as I have. I don't go around believeing in reptile shapeshifters and other bloody events without hard evidence. Please show me the source about no animals being killed in the disaster. I'd love to see it.

you have so much more to learn

and takin that one line about those ppl not being civilised is missing the point


your lookin at yourself, your environment, and the universe from the opposite point of view that you were born with, or is natural to you

lummies just love closed minded ppl to populate their nwo

[razed1]

Yes but sometimes we confuse ourselves. Intuition is not always right, it can be wrong as well. If it is a bodily process it can be tricked.
Look at Derren Brown.

Also the animals were just following pure instinct, they have apparatus to do so.

wrong, your intuition is not a 'bodily' function

you should go watcch some ian lungold vids on google if you are serious about finding out more about your INTUITION

what you call the animals 'instinct' IS what were talking about intuition, and we have the same 'apparatus, although i disagree with your usage of that word, its not a appraratus or mechanical thing,


and plz dont be brainwashed into beleiving like this spacegurl , that somehow your instincts/intuition is inferior or uncivilised

[razed1]

Exactly. People seem to mimick everything David Icke says.



but you dont even realize what David is talking arent even his own ideas!

he leartn these things and passes on the info in a summarization, he even tells you this

its called wisdom, this stuff is what the ancients taught and coded into metaphor for us,

so you really need to get your head off your shoulders and do an honest days research

:rolleyes:

[i_am]

My post was aimed at cheesedanish, not you. You didn't understand a word I was saying either. I never once suggested those people who were killed in the disaster were unclivilised. You're putting words in my mouth. I was talking about something else, such as thinking independantly as opposed to being influenced completely by another person. Your post sounds like it's influenced too much by David Icke and I'm sure you didn't think that way before reading his books. You should learn to make your own mind up as I have. I don't go around believeing in reptile shapeshifters and other bloody events without hard evidence. Please show me the source about no animals being killed in the disaster. I'd love to see it.

Just a few links

http://www.probablefuture.com/no_ark_for_animals.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143737,00.html

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-12/31/content_404872.htm

[razed1]

hey thanks I AM

i didnt wanna spend the time looking for the evidence, , spacegurl seems so closed minded, i felt she should spend the time looking it up, instead of us doing the hard work for her

[i_am]

hey thanks I AM

i didnt wanna spend the time looking for the evidence, , spacegurl seems so closed minded, i felt she should spend the time looking it up, instead of us doing the hard work for her

No problem. As I live in Aus, we heard much about this at the time and it was discussed quite a lot :)

It wasn't hard as I knew there was a lot about it on the net. I just googled animals, tsunami ;)

A friend is Sri Lankan and he confirmed it.