Is Halloween Demonic?

[f13ticket]

I have researched this topic at depth and I have yet to get a concrete, satisfactory answer. Those you comment upon this question in books and online typically fall into one of two camps.

The first, the fundamentalist Christian view. (Don't breathe it's a sin.) They usually take anything that smacks of Paganism (To spite that it is the foundation that their religion is based on.) and consider it evil and sinful.

When fundamentalist Christians attack Halloween they apparently used to do so by saying that Samhain was some sort of Celtic Lord of the Dead and that Halloween was a celebration of death. This is typically seen, from what I have also read, as to be a complete misconception. Not sure if it is accidental or on purpose? Christianity often seems to vilify people with a different world view. Samhain is now commonly accepted to mean a fall festival. Fundamentalist Christians also go along with the concept of a ban on divination. Thus, they see Halloween is a dark and evil night as it is a time when in the past and the present people love to divine. They have Talking Board Sessions, people who Channel, and all sorts of events of divination. They also point to the Pagan/Satanic iconography as a means of demonizing the Holiday.

When one looks at the Pagan side, it is a completely different picture. To the Pagans, the day is a Fall Festival. From me readings celebrations would take place across the surrounding days as well. It was to thank the spirits for the harvest. It was also to contact ancestral spirits for advice on how to get through the winter. As without a good harvest winter means death. Bonnfire does mean bone fire. But that is said to be the bones of animals, not humans. The demonic costume for trick or treat are said to be a way to scare away demons, not invite them. And contact with the spirit world was, and to many including myself, still is the norm.

As someone who has long struggled with the fear that fundamentalist Christianity has created, I almost want to take the Pagans' side on principle. But in the last so many years I have learned that death cults like Skull and Bones do exist. And Black Magic Demonic Rituals, such as Bohemian Grove, are very much alive. Spiritualists and Christians alike have both been warning of the coming of a New Order and those demon worshipers who aim to control it. I have learned that 9/11 was an inside job, man-made global warming is a fraud, and that Spirituality and Oneness are real.

I have also learned that religions are created and controlled by the same people and worship the same gods. David Icke is very clear on that and it makes a lot of sense once the histories of these religions are researched, and the actions of them and their leaders are revealed.

With this in mind, perhaps Halloween isn't as innocent as the mainstream Pagans treat it. Perhaps it should not be laughed off as fundamentalist Christian rantings. Many ancient culture would have mass sacrifice to their deities. And we know public opinion can be bought and manipulated easily. What if Halloween is demonic? Perhaps it really was a mass sacrifice. Is that so odd, really?

Season of the Witch (Halloween 3) is a movie that tells a story of a man who created a small community out in the middle of nowhere. I think he was retired from the army, but I am not sure. He dresses the town in iconic Irish heritage and uses the shamrock as its logo. He made his fortune on entertainment. (Making gag toys.) In this little community everything was watched by this wealthy cooperate man. Closed circuit security cameras watched everything and the town closed with a announced curfew. It looked like one of those cult towns that get set up. Everyone there depended on the company for their livelihood. It was corporatism at its height. Even the town hospital, if I remember correctly, was located at the factory. The factor made some unassuming masks. A witch, a pumpkin, a skull. But anyone how criticized the town leader, or found out the secret, was killed. It turned out the toymaker expanded into robotics. He was beginning to replace people with machines. More than that, he had a stylish flare for Halloween. He had somehow managed to steel a stone from Stonehenge which he referred to as a place of sacrifice. He said that the stone had a power in it. He used particles from the stone to place on chips on the back of the masks. That, when triggered with a television commercial, would open a demonic gateway in the wearer's head and summon bugs and snakes through. When he got the hero of the movie alone, he took special interest in mocking how little he knew about the real Halloween. How it was a dark day of sacrifice where the hills ran red with the blood and animals and children. And how the worlds of the living and the dead crossed and that the planets were in alignment and that it was time for another sacrifice.

After researching David Icke and Alex Jones I look back at this film and almost crap myself with how much New World Order symbolism is in it.

1: Building a sacrifice in the darkness, to be unveiled latter.
2: Military connection.
3: Disguises actions as traditional with iconography and racial/historic pride.
4: Brings the masses to their death through their fascination with entertainment.
5: Surveillance society with a curfew and closed circuit security cameras watching everything.
6: Wiretapped phones.
7: Clueless doctors.
8: Killing those who know the truth or criticize the establishment.
9: Corporatism and dependency on the factory for life.
10: Worshiping their leader as if he was Hitler. Trusting him completely, even to the extent that the family volunteered themselves and their children for the television testing. (Not knowing what it did though.)
11: Control of the medical establishment and caring for health of its citizens.
12: Robotic followers. Which can double in symbolism as both mind controlled followers and or automation of human jobs.
13: Claiming stones have power.
14: Claiming Stonehenge to be a place of sacrifice.
15: Claiming Halloween to be a day of a blending of the living and dead worlds, divination, and sacrifice.
16: Knowledge of how the planets work with life.
17: Micro-chipping.
18: Summoning demons.
19: Serpent (reptiles) symbolism with the snake.
20: Use of media to trigger death. Shows that the media triggers hypnosis and can send subliminal messages that keep the populace mesmerized whilst evil is summoned to kill them.
21: Mass sacrifice to the spirits.
22: At the end, the hero pleads with the media to take the commercial off before it does its evil deed.

We see time and time again New World Order symbolism in film. This writer and filmmaker took things that David Icke and Alex Jones talk about and tied them in intimately with Halloween. Was it just a work of fiction? It seems so on the spot to me. That is a crap load of New World Oder symbolism in one movie. Perhaps some people knew something...

What if Halloween is more on the Black Magic side of Paganism than many Light Side Pagans want to admit? What if the criticisms of Christians are not all unfounded ravings against the Pagans, but a well placed concern with a holiday that has clear meaning for death cults and secret societies? Mass human sacrifice is a longstanding tradition for the world. And the New World Order has made it clear that the have hypnotized robotic like units, they want replace people with machines, and they love and want mass sacrifice. Is it too far fetched to think that those who can control so much of the mainstream media as far as the many topics we know they do might have made an effort to clean up them image of their favorite sacrificial day? As to keep it safe for when the time again comes to remove the cloak from the culling?

Or, is this just fundamentalist Christians hating on Paganism and a skilled filmmaker not making connections, but only playing off of fears of a (at the time of its release) mostly Christian society?

Is Halloween a harmless and warm-hearted fall festival? Or, a demonic day of blood sacrifice? What do you think? Is there any proof outside of clearly slanted two categories that most people fall in?

"Conal Cochran: Do I need a reason? Mr. Kupfer was right, you know... I do love a good joke and this is the best ever, a joke on the children. But there's a better reason... you don't really know much about Halloween... you thought no further than the strange custom of having your children wear masks and go out begging for candy.
[pauses]
Conal Cochran: It was the start of the year in our old Celtic lands, and we'd be waiting... in our houses of wattles and clay. The barriers would be down, you see, between the real and the unreal, and the dead might be looking in... to sit by our fires of turf.
[pauses]
Conal Cochran: Halloween... the festival of Samhain! The last great one took place three thousand years ago, when the hills ran red... with the blood of animals and children.
Daniel Challis: Sacrifices.
Conal Cochran: It was part of our world... our craft.
Daniel Challis: Witchcraft.
Conal Cochran: To us, it was a way of controlling our environment. It's not so different now... it's time again. In the end... we don't decide these things, you know... the planets do. They're in alignment, and it's time again. The world's going to change tonight, doctor, I'm glad you'll be able to watch it. And... happy Halloween."

[biblegirl]

Well written post up there ^ i totally understand where you're coming from.

I wouldn't say i fall into either of those camps, but i will tell you what helped me figure this out.

There is an interview that David Icke does with Arizona Wilder called "Revelations of a Mother Goddess", and in one part Icke asks about which days are the most important to the illumniati ritual sacrifices and she talked a little about Halloween and Christmas. I will tell you as best as I recall (I watched that interview about 3 years ago): she said that Halloween is the day set aside to glorify Satan, and that in the basement of a First Christian Church on Halloween, a TV evangelist stands in for Satan himself in a ritual of sacrifice and possession. I think the mass commercialism of dark imagery for halloween (blood, devils, gore, axes in the head etc) is to generate a collective output of blood and death energies which "help" these rituals going on behind the scenes.

Like you, I have seen plenty of Christian materials on this, and the jist of them seem to be: "this day has pagan origins, therefore is evil". It takes a lot more than the word pagan to scare me away though lol. Overall I feel it is a sacred day (which is why it is best for contacting ancestral spirits), but it is also abused and used for evil things.

I think it would be interesting to witness a true traditional celebration of October 31st by the cultures who observe it for spiritual purposes. IMO the more materialistic holidays get in the west, the less chance there is for spiritual benefit to the people. I wouldn't say the actual day of Halloween is demonic, but because it is a sacred day in which the veil between our world and the spirit world stretches very thin, it is used for demonic things. I think there are good things a person can do on this day to receive blessing and spiritual benefit. It is on these sacred days when we have the most spiritual potential! Which imo is why it is riddled with candy for the kids (sugars, sweeteners, food dyes) and drinking for the adults. Filling ourselves with these toxins prevents us the natural enhancement of our spiritual abilities which would otherwise occur these days. Compare to Christmas and Easter, more sacred days smothered in materialism and sweets.

I think it's awesome when people actually investigate these things for themselves. I realize how off-putting the fundamental sides can be, especially if they're not even accurate.

In this little community everything was watched by this wealthy cooperate man. Closed circuit security cameras watched everything and the town closed with a announced curfew. It looked like one of those cult towns that get set up. Everyone there depended on the company for their livelihood. It was corporatism at its height. Even the town hospital, if I remember correctly, was located at the factory. The factor made some unassuming masks. A witch, a pumpkin, a skull. But anyone how criticized the town leader, or found out the secret, was killed. It turned out the toymaker expanded into robotics. He was beginning to replace people with machines. More than that, he had a stylish flare for Halloween. He had somehow managed to steel a stone from Stonehenge which he referred to as a place of sacrifice. He said that the stone had a power in it. He used particles from the stone to place on chips on the back of the masks. That, when triggered with a television commercial, would open a demonic gateway in the wearer's head and summon bugs and snakes through. When he got the hero of the movie alone, he took special interest in mocking how little he knew about the real Halloween. How it was a dark day of sacrifice where the hills ran red with the blood and animals and children. And how the worlds of the living and the dead crossed and that the planets were in alignment and that it was time for another sacrifice.


Yikes.

In that Icke interview, Stonehenge is also mentioned as a sacrificial spot, and it is utilized on the sacred days for rituals and invoking demons.

[rapunzel]

f13 ticket - you says "Many ancient culture would have mass sacrifice to their deities..." and "Mass human sacrifice is a longstanding tradition for the world.". Can you supply us with your primary sources for those statements? I'm talking specifically about European cultures, not the Aztecs etc.

We know little about how Samhain was celebrated in ancient times but it was the start of winter and end of summer. The Celts only had two seasons. Yes, there would have been some animal slaughter as those beasts not fit enough to survive the winter would be killed and preserved but there is absolutely no evidence of mass slaughter of children. Any culture which did that, given the high mortality rate anyway, would soon die out.

It grieves my soul to see the way Pagan festivals have been demonised by certain types of Christian, some of the stories invented by them told show a disturbing taste for rape and death. If our festivals have been taken over by evil people that is a cause for concern but apart from protesting about it I really don't know what can be done.

What should be realised is that these Festivals originally were agricultural festivals celebrating the change of season. Beltaine (30 April) another date abused by evil people was celebrated as the start of summer by those working the land. My great grandfather and before him were farmers and my Granddad used to tell me about these festivals and how they were celebrated even though they were all staunch Christians. Halloween was certainly celebrated with a feast and dancing as all the crops had been harvested, berries and fruit picked for preserving, the animals were in and they were battening the hatches down for winter. When I was a child Halloween was called Duck Apple Night as we bobbed and ducked for apples.

There is no evidence that this time of year was ever associated with anything evil. Frightening, maybe, as in the veil between this world and the next world getting thinner, but not evil.

Or, is this just fundamentalist Christians hating on Paganism and a skilled filmmaker not making connections, but only playing off of fears of a (at the time of its release) mostly Christian society?

I would say, YES.

[f13ticket]

f13 ticket - you says "Many ancient culture would have mass sacrifice to their deities..." and "Mass human sacrifice is a longstanding tradition for the world.". Can you supply us with your primary sources for those statements? I'm talking specifically about European cultures, not the Aztecs etc.

We know little about how Samhain was celebrated in ancient times but it was the start of winter and end of summer. The Celts only had two seasons. Yes, there would have been some animal slaughter as those beasts not fit enough to survive the winter would be killed and preserved but there is absolutely no evidence of mass slaughter of children. Any culture which did that, given the high mortality rate anyway, would soon die out.

It grieves my soul to see the way Pagan festivals have been demonised by certain types of Christian, some of the stories invented by them told show a disturbing taste for rape and death. If our festivals have been taken over by evil people that is a cause for concern but apart from protesting about it I really don't know what can be done.

What should be realised is that these Festivals originally were agricultural festivals celebrating the change of season. Beltaine (30 April) another date abused by evil people was celebrated as the start of summer by those working the land. My great grandfather and before him were farmers and my Granddad used to tell me about these festivals and how they were celebrated even though they were all staunch Christians. Halloween was certainly celebrated with a feast and dancing as all the crops had been harvested, berries and fruit picked for preserving, the animals were in and they were battening the hatches down for winter. When I was a child Halloween was called Duck Apple Night as we bobbed and ducked for apples.

There is no evidence that this time of year was ever associated with anything evil. Frightening, maybe, as in the veil between this world and the next world getting thinner, but not evil.



I would say, YES.

I sympathize with your views and respect that you have responded. When I have researched this from the Pagan's point of view they do say that there is no evidence for any human sacrifice. However, and to throw acknowledge where the Christian's fears may be coming from, when we look at Bohemian Grove they are Pagan or Pagan-like rituals. It would not surprise me that, sense Paganism was around long before Christianity, that those who do evil would adhere to the darker side of Paganism.

I think that the Holiday itself did not have any specific evil attached to it but there are those who choose to use it in a dark way. I am not entirely sure yet, however. You mentioned that as did the other poster. I would still like to hear what more people have to say.