What is coming

[sodi]

There is information coming from Mexico that is not being released on other media. It is even secret in Mexico, but many know about it.

We know that after the 7.2 quake on the border of Mexico and California on Easter, sulphorous water emerged from the ground and sunk many homes. Baja separated from the mainland by 3 meters.

Now, we are getting info that underground military bases in California are being evacuated. Another major, catastrophic event is building fast.

We are also hearing that in May this year, an artificially generated tsunami will occur in the Western Pacific and possibly strike the west coasts of the US and Mexico. This is why there is so much preparation in San Diego and Oregon.

We now know that Russian military saboteurs are stationed throughout the US and a gas or dirty bomb event is possible. We don't know where yet, but most likely in the southern or southwestern US.

We also have discovered that Russian agents AND Israeli Mossad are in Northern Mexico and and facilitating the so-called drug wars and murders. None of this will ever be on the news.

The second half of 2010 and the first half of 2011will see major events that have never been seen on Earth before. The Icelandic ash and the grounding of planes is part of Kuiper Belt sabotage. They are planning their own event.

Fasten your seat belts and DO YOUR MENTAL WORK!!

- http://expansions.com/News.cfm

how accurate is this site ?

[worlds beyond]

no idea how accurate it is, but i read somewhere Saturday that a major volcano in South America (near Chile?) started to show signs of eruption last week .. but this news has been non-existent due to the Iceland eruption and China quake etc. taking over.

I don;t know where i read it, was online, some News source, but my laptop kept 'dying' on me past 48 hours so i lost all my saved links etc. in major reboot!

[anyuser]

I can confer m most of this information as I have read it before and have seen some of it take place.

[measle_weasel]

There is information coming from Mexico that is not being released on other media. It is even secret in Mexico, but many know about it.

We know that after the 7.2 quake on the border of Mexico and California on Easter, sulphorous water emerged from the ground and sunk many homes. Baja separated from the mainland by 3 meters.

Now, we are getting info that underground military bases in California are being evacuated. Another major, catastrophic event is building fast.

We are also hearing that in May this year, an artificially generated tsunami will occur in the Western Pacific and possibly strike the west coasts of the US and Mexico. This is why there is so much preparation in San Diego and Oregon.

We now know that Russian military saboteurs are stationed throughout the US and a gas or dirty bomb event is possible. We don't know where yet, but most likely in the southern or southwestern US.

We also have discovered that Russian agents AND Israeli Mossad are in Northern Mexico and and facilitating the so-called drug wars and murders. None of this will ever be on the news.

The second half of 2010 and the first half of 2011will see major events that have never been seen on Earth before. The Icelandic ash and the grounding of planes is part of Kuiper Belt sabotage. They are planning their own event.

Fasten your seat belts and DO YOUR MENTAL WORK!!

- http://expansions.com/News.cfm

how accurate is this site ?
Swerdlows site... Im not a big fan of his.

[1964]

How are we supposed to verify whether this kind of information, and its sources, are even legitimate? Surely not because someone simply says so.

[psystorm]

The fault line in California will not break. I will not let it happen. So don't worry about it. About first OPEN contact, coming VERY soon!!

[realy]

"Now, we are getting info that underground military bases in California are being evacuated"
^this would be interesting.

[unbornawakened]

Easy ... wait another month or two, the prediction is for May ;) I have not heard of one major detailed prediction that ever came true ...
How are we supposed to verify whether this kind of information, and its sources, are even legitimate? Surely not because someone simply says so.

[pound]

"Now, we are getting info that underground military bases in California are being evacuated"
^this would be interesting.

Hmmm. Perhaps this would further reveal more secret underground locales.

Very interesting. As an indirect result the government would have to come clean and admit to something that supposedly 'never existed' in the first place :D

[acharlatani]

The fault line in California will not break. I will not let it happen. So don't worry about it. About first OPEN contact, coming VERY soon!!

Explain your findings please or are you guessing about first open conatct?

[hadabusa]

There is information coming from Mexico that is not being released on other media. It is even secret in Mexico, but many know about it.

We know that after the 7.2 quake on the border of Mexico and California on Easter, sulphorous water emerged from the ground and sunk many homes. Baja separated from the mainland by 3 meters.

Now, we are getting info that underground military bases in California are being evacuated. Another major, catastrophic event is building fast.

We are also hearing that in May this year, an artificially generated tsunami will occur in the Western Pacific and possibly strike the west coasts of the US and Mexico. This is why there is so much preparation in San Diego and Oregon.

We now know that Russian military saboteurs are stationed throughout the US and a gas or dirty bomb event is possible. We don't know where yet, but most likely in the southern or southwestern US.

We also have discovered that Russian agents AND Israeli Mossad are in Northern Mexico and and facilitating the so-called drug wars and murders. None of this will ever be on the news.

The second half of 2010 and the first half of 2011will see major events that have never been seen on Earth before. The Icelandic ash and the grounding of planes is part of Kuiper Belt sabotage. They are planning their own event.

Fasten your seat belts and DO YOUR MENTAL WORK!!

- http://expansions.com/News.cfm

how accurate is this site ?

are you saying russia is preparing a blow or an invasion ?

invasion of usa is practically impossible.

[neutrino]

are you saying russia is preparing a blow or an invasion ?

invasion of usa is practically impossible.

Not impossible at all, just very costly.

[hadabusa]

Not impossible at all, just very costly.

thats why i say practically impossible.

would be worth an own thread, but in short:

-the defense is top, would be easier after a catastrophic event(tsunami)

-armed population, this dont mean much vs a military invasion , but helps

-itd require probably more then 10million troops

-the suply of food+ammo would be horror administrativelly(for invaders)<this imo,is the main point.

-to shut down infrastructure would probably take over a year,lol.

[subl1minal]

Most prophecies point to the US falling/being destroyed first.

[hadabusa]

Most prophecies point to the US falling/being destroyed first.

by the red horseguy,no less.

or the bear.

both apply to russia.

and,o0, medvedev translates to(fasten seat belts):bear-man
:eek:


however,i think usa would return the favor in form of nukes.

[wakeup2nwo]

There is information coming from Mexico that is not being released on other media. It is even secret in Mexico, but many know about it.

We know that after the 7.2 quake on the border of Mexico and California on Easter, sulphorous water emerged from the ground and sunk many homes. Baja separated from the mainland by 3 meters.

Now, we are getting info that underground military bases in California are being evacuated. Another major, catastrophic event is building fast.

We are also hearing that in May this year, an artificially generated tsunami will occur in the Western Pacific and possibly strike the west coasts of the US and Mexico. This is why there is so much preparation in San Diego and Oregon.

We now know that Russian military saboteurs are stationed throughout the US and a gas or dirty bomb event is possible. We don't know where yet, but most likely in the southern or southwestern US.

We also have discovered that Russian agents AND Israeli Mossad are in Northern Mexico and and facilitating the so-called drug wars and murders. None of this will ever be on the news.

The second half of 2010 and the first half of 2011will see major events that have never been seen on Earth before. The Icelandic ash and the grounding of planes is part of Kuiper Belt sabotage. They are planning their own event.

Fasten your seat belts and DO YOUR MENTAL WORK!!

- http://expansions.com/News.cfm

how accurate is this site ?


i carnt find any news about that underground military bases in California are being evacuated.. if you can find info on that, it would give some credibility to the article

[the apprentice]

With all the stories and events taking place today all that one can do is glean of that information you see fit, so as to act accordingly in your own immediate environments and make ready as if trouble was imminent or in the near future and make best of things if it does come...You die if you worry and the same if you don't, so save yourselves and family, those you should know well enough to make a go of any eventuality.

When the balloon goes up it won't be the military you need to be worried about its your neighbours who haven't prepared for things, many harsh choices might have to be made and carried out in order of surviving, its all kind of hard to take in right now in times of plenty, but will go really fury in a matter of days if it does.

[wakeup2nwo]

With all the stories and events taking place today all that one can do is glean of that information you see fit, so as to act accordingly in your own immediate environments and make ready as if trouble was imminent or in the near future and make best of things if it does come...You die if you worry and the same if you don't, so save yourselves and family, those you should know well enough to make a go of any eventuality.

When the balloon goes up it won't be the military you need to be worried about its your neighbours who haven't prepared for things, many harsh choices might have to be made and carried out in order of surviving, its all kind of hard to take in right now in times of plenty, but will go really fury in a matter of days if it does.

very wise words! :)

[comma berenices]

With all the stories and events taking place today all that one can do is glean of that information you see fit, so as to act accordingly in your own immediate environments and make ready as if trouble was imminent or in the near future and make best of things if it does come...You die if you worry and the same if you don't, so save yourselves and family, those you should know well enough to make a go of any eventuality.

When the balloon goes up it won't be the military you need to be worried about its your neighbours who haven't prepared for things, many harsh choices might have to be made and carried out in order of surviving, its all kind of hard to take in right now in times of plenty, but will go really fury in a matter of days if it does.

2nd that,more or less what i was saying this morning to the OH.

[neutrino]

However,i think usa would return the favor in form of nukes.

Let me give you a scenario. Russia like the US has developed HAARP like technology. They've scanned the US and determined the location of every nuke including every US HAARP array.

Push of a button they can create earthquakes at all those locations crippling the US nuclear deterrent. As for nuclear subs who's to say their version of HAARP can't penetrate the seas?

I've seen a video where someone states that Russia have their own version of HAARP.

We're not dealing with regular technology here. Both sides have technology and abilities many would never believe.

[hadabusa]

Let me give you a scenario. Russia like the US has developed HAARP like technology. They've scanned the US and determined the location of every nuke including every US HAARP array.

Push of a button they can create earthquakes at all those locations crippling the US nuclear deterrent. As for nuclear subs who's to say their version of HAARP can't penetrate the seas?

I've seen a video where someone states that Russia have their own version of HAARP.

We're not dealing with regular technology here. Both sides have technology and abilities many would never believe.

im pretty sure that if haarp exists(and works), russia has a better "haarpov":D:D

prolly they can shut off usa hararp and make usa nuke itself to oblivion.

[bluehorseman]

There are 30 harp sites around the world who owns/financed/controls them is anyones guess. This weapon is quite common knowledge but because its not in msm no one believes me.
There is one in South Africa, Russia, Chile, China they are everywhere and it is obvious that a war of sometype has started and they are using them. Earthquakes are occuring everywhere but I've noticed that they are not in random places across the globe but in specific and densly populated areas, and strategic places as well - volcanoes for example. Volcanoes that they use as an excuse to close down airports and suck money out of airlines who inturn suck money out of insurance companies that are already on the verge of collapsing but people have confidence in because they are all backed by tax payers to not fail!!! .

There must be some power players intent on taking down the economies because that is what is happening. The curves are how they were perdicted in Oct 2008, the big crash, snailing up slowly over next couple of years to show (fake) recovery, another crash, snail recovery and the same pattern repeated over and over accept each recovery peaking at a lower and lower point each time.

The economies of the world are weaker.
There are earthquakes everywhere.
Volcanoes are erupting.
The geo-politcal situation of the planet is dominated by empires with the most money.
The fishing grounds are getting smaller.
Food is becoming more expensive.
People of the western world are apathetic and lazy and don't seem to give a shit about the violence on the planet.

And they still havn't found Osama Bin Laden!!!

What is coming?

MOre earthquakes and catastrophes causing billions of dollars worth of problems that the tax payer will be asked to solve/pay for; that the tax payer wont know he/she is paying for and will keep paying for till they die.

The gap between the haves and the have nots growing hugely.

A warrior class of society being bred to protect the haves.

Osama Bin Laden passing away peacefully beside some river or under an orange tree free and uncaught.

[wakeup2nwo]

There are 30 harp sites around the world who owns/financed/controls them is anyones guess. This weapon is quite common knowledge but because its not in msm no one believes me.
There is one in South Africa, Russia, Chile, China they are everywhere and it is obvious that a war of sometype has started and they are using them. Earthquakes are occuring everywhere but I've noticed that they are not in random places across the globe but in specific and densly populated areas, and strategic places as well - volcanoes for example. Volcanoes that they use as an excuse to close down airports and suck money out of airlines who inturn suck money out of insurance companies that are already on the verge of collapsing but people have confidence in because they are all backed by tax payers to not fail!!! .

There must be some power players intent on taking down the economies because that is what is happening. The curves are how they were perdicted in Oct 2008, the big crash, snailing up slowly over next couple of years to show (fake) recovery, another crash, snail recovery and the same pattern repeated over and over accept each recovery peaking at a lower and lower point each time.

The economies of the world are weaker.
There are earthquakes everywhere.
Volcanoes are erupting.
The geo-politcal situation of the planet is dominated by empires with the most money.
The fishing grounds are getting smaller.
Food is becoming more expensive.
People of the western world are apathetic and lazy and don't seem to give a shit about the violence on the planet.

And they still havn't found Osama Bin Laden!!!

What is coming?

MOre earthquakes and catastrophes causing billions of dollars worth of problems that the tax payer will be asked to solve/pay for; that the tax payer wont know he/she is paying for and will keep paying for till they die.

The gap between the haves and the have nots growing hugely.

A warrior class of society being bred to protect the haves.

Osama Bin Laden passing away peacefully beside some river or under an orange tree free and uncaught.

+1 :)

[bobfitz2012]

There is information coming from Mexico that is not being released on other media. It is even secret in Mexico, but many know about it.

We know that after the 7.2 quake on the border of Mexico and California on Easter, sulphorous water emerged from the ground and sunk many homes. Baja separated from the mainland by 3 meters.

Now, we are getting info that underground military bases in California are being evacuated. Another major, catastrophic event is building fast.

We are also hearing that in May this year, an artificially generated tsunami will occur in the Western Pacific and possibly strike the west coasts of the US and Mexico. This is why there is so much preparation in San Diego and Oregon.

We now know that Russian military saboteurs are stationed throughout the US and a gas or dirty bomb event is possible. We don't know where yet, but most likely in the southern or southwestern US.

We also have discovered that Russian agents AND Israeli Mossad are in Northern Mexico and and facilitating the so-called drug wars and murders. None of this will ever be on the news.

The second half of 2010 and the first half of 2011will see major events that have never been seen on Earth before. The Icelandic ash and the grounding of planes is part of Kuiper Belt sabotage. They are planning their own event.

Fasten your seat belts and DO YOUR MENTAL WORK!!

- http://expansions.com/News.cfm

how accurate is this site ?

Where to start with this whole thread...?

Yes, the Earth is undergoing changes and this will continue as the physical world continues to reflect the consciousness of the planet. However, disinformation will be rife as many factions want to attach themselves to these changes to pump up their importance even though they are merely along for the ride. Any information "coming in" is total BS and cannot be trusted.

The US has already been taken down by saboteurs. They're called the New World Order. The Russian military can't take down the Ukraine at his point. However, NWO/US war machine can KILL EVERYONE about 10,000 time over. There is ZERO percent chance that the Russians will give the US an excuse to crush them militarily. Better to send out a steady stream of NWO Disclosure to keep the pressure on and cut off the US financially.

Yes, the fascists are the biggest drug dealers on the planet. Big Pharma + Big Narco = same fascists. Yes, they create violence and instability everywhere along the drug chain. Violence is through the roof right now because the fascists are broke and they are wringing every dollar they can out of the drug trade. Plus, they want to terrify as many North Americans as possible, so the population will buy into the North American Union. Bottom line: the Mounties, US Marshals, and Federales can kick the shit out of the "drug lords" -and will- once open season is declared on the bastards once and for all (starting in Langley, VA).

The bad guys are freaking out in all directions because the good guys are finally fighting back. Yes, bad stuff is still happening, but you know what else is happening?

Reversing NWO timelines, investigating central banks, ending fiat currency, ending fractional reserve banking, exposing corporate crime and corruption, exposing corrupt politicians, exposing secret societies, exposing degenerate "elites," exposing climate lies, exposing religious lies, exposing world health lies, ending the 9-11 truth embargo, ending the ET truth embargo, ending the free energy truth embargo...AND manifesting the on-going awakening of the beautiful and amazing people of planet Earth.

Don't buy into the negative hype. Believe in truth and bring goodness into being. We can do this together come what may.

[pound]

Where to start with this whole thread...?

Yes, the Earth is undergoing changes and this will continue as the physical world continues to reflect the consciousness of the planet. However, disinformation will be rife as many factions want to attach themselves to these changes to pump up their importance even though they are merely along for the ride. Any information "coming in" is total BS and cannot be trusted.

The US has already been taken down by saboteurs. They're called the New World Order. The Russian military can't take down the Ukraine at his point. However, NWO/US war machine can KILL EVERYONE about 10,000 time over. There is ZERO percent chance that the Russians will give the US an excuse to crush them militarily. Better to send out a steady stream of NWO Disclosure to keep the pressure on and cut off the US financially.

Yes, the fascists are the biggest drug dealers on the planet. Big Pharma + Big Narco = same fascists. Yes, they create violence and instability everywhere along the drug chain. Violence is through the roof right now because the fascists are broke and they are wringing every dollar they can out of the drug trade. Plus, they want to terrify as many North Americans as possible, so the population will buy into the North American Union. Bottom line: the Mounties, US Marshals, and Federales can kick the shit out of the "drug lords" -and will- once open season is declared on the bastards once and for all (starting in Langley, VA).

The bad guys are freaking out in all directions because the good guys are finally fighting back. Yes, bad stuff is still happening, but you know what else is happening?

Reversing NWO timelines, investigating central banks, ending fiat currency, ending fractional reserve banking, exposing corporate crime and corruption, exposing corrupt politicians, exposing secret societies, exposing degenerate "elites," exposing climate lies, exposing religious lies, exposing world health lies, ending the 9-11 truth embargo, ending the ET truth embargo, ending the free energy truth embargo...AND manifesting the on-going awakening of the beautiful and amazing people of planet Earth.

Don't buy into the negative hype. Believe in truth and bring goodness into being. We can do this together come what may.

Beautifully stated and inspiring! +1

[tracker]

We know that after the 7.2 quake on the border of Mexico and California on Easter, sulphorous water emerged from the ground and sunk many homes. Baja separated from the mainland by 3 meters.


The second half of 2010 and the first half of 2011will see major events that have never been seen on Earth before. The Icelandic ash and the grounding of planes is part of Kuiper Belt sabotage. They are planning their own event.


When that Earth quake hit , it was not a secret that the continant moved by 3 meters .
I was the 1st person to mention that here on D Ickes forum , because it was on the news .

I was quite surprised to read that under ground bases were being evacuated , thats new , and good too because they need to learn that they too are vunerable and no better than the rest of us as far as nature is conserned .

The Kuiper belt , ( So I thought ) was the belt of small astaroids around Uranus , the planet .

unless that is just a code name .

but the Kuiper belt refures to objects in and around and further out than Uranus , the planet .

:)

The earth is also going through natural changes that WILL INCREASE NOW .

stories like this can be used to justify civil unrest etc etc .

we should learn to understand that it isnt all HAARP , NWO , THE MOON , ARITFICIAL TSUNAMIS , MAN MADE EARTH QUAKES ETC ETC ETC .

its about time people faced reality here , nature is telling us , times are changing .

most of these are indeed natural events that some do not wish to face as fact , mainly because the idea that earth might be going through its famouse cycle of 2012 scenarios frightens them too much , so they invent ideas that it is all man made .

[bluehorseman]

When that Earth quake hit , it was not a secret that the continant moved by 3 meters .
I was the 1st person to mention that here on D Ickes forum , because it was on the news .

I was quite surprised to read that under ground bases were being evacuated , thats new , and good too because they need to learn that they too are vunerable and no better than the rest of us as far as nature is conserned .

The Kuiper belt , ( So I thought ) was the belt of small astaroids around Uranus , the planet .

unless that is just a code name .

but the Kuiper belt refures to objects in and around and further out than Uranus , the planet .

:)

The earth is also going through natural changes that WILL INCREASE NOW .

stories like this can be used to justify civil unrest etc etc .

we should learn to understand that it isnt all HAARP , NWO , THE MOON , ARITFICIAL TSUNAMIS , MAN MADE EARTH QUAKES ETC ETC ETC .

its about time people faced reality here , nature is telling us , times are changing .

most of these are indeed natural events that some do not wish to face as fact , mainly because the idea that earth might be going through its famouse cycle of 2012 scenarios frightens them too much , so they invent ideas that it is all man made .

True there was a time when I would have beloved that the tsunamis and earthquakes etc were all natural but not now, not with all the tech they have.

[merlincove]

there is definately more to the icelandic eruption than we are seeing, and i think it literally is a smoke screen to further events, burying other news on the one hand, diverting attention from other thingys afoot, and maybe even it nis a design to keep us from seeing something very real in the skies as well as on the ground.

[bluehorseman]

there is definately more to the icelandic eruption than we are seeing, and i think it literally is a smoke screen to further events, burying other news on the one hand, diverting attention from other thingys afoot, and maybe even it nis a design to keep us from seeing something very real in the skies as well as on the ground.

Yep - what I've learnt since being on this forum is when I see an event like this on the msm I analyse it from two perspectives.
1. Who gains from it.
2. Is there any symbolism involved.
3. Where does the money trail go.

[yabs]

conspiracies, conspiracies , conspiracies
I say bull
what we face is nature
there are too many of us and we are destoying the planet
nature always takes care of herself and destroys anything thta gets out of balance
we are the bacteria on earths skin
now she fights back
you can belive what you wnat that life could be beatiful if we beet the NWO
I say again bull
Can 6 billion people really all live like Kings on finite planet?
again I say bull

[stickwhistler]

Well NASA have cut the feed from Lasco2 and Lasco3,
which means that we can't see what the sun is doing.
Both (public) feeds stop at about 4:30pm on the 17th.
Yet the MDI feeds show time stamps late into 18th April,
so they can't use the 'lost contact' excuse.

Also, the USGS are not showing earthquake readings from Iceland.
There have been several over the 2.5 magnitude cut-off
that have just been ignored by the USGS, and they are also not
keeping the totals current with their own reports
i.e. not adding earthquakes that they should to the total activity.

On top of the above, Katla, the big volcano next to the current eruption,
has shown - according to the Icelandic geologists - a 200% increase
in activity.

http://scienceray.com/earth-sciences/locals-believe-katla-volcano-in-iceland-near-eyjafjallajokull-will-erupt-in-seven-days/

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/Myrdalsjokull.jpg

You can see where the monitors are situated,
and relate to http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html


Time to get some popcorn/munchies for the show methinks.

[subl1minal]

conspiracies, conspiracies , conspiracies
I say bull
what we face is nature
there are too many of us and we are destoying the planet
nature always takes care of herself and destroys anything thta gets out of balance
we are the bacteria on earths skin
now she fights back
you can belive what you wnat that life could be beatiful if we beet the NWO
I say again bull
Can 6 billion people really all live like Kings on finite planet?
again I say bull

The population of this planet could fit into the state of Texas and live comfterbly. I can't provide 'proof' for this but you can look to Jim Marrs for stuff about that.

If everyone knew the true nature of who they really are, then yes, we could all live peacefully (without Wars and endless suffering at least) We aren't bacteria on the planets skin and we're too insignificantly small to destroy this planet. If she wanted to, she could destroy us all in an instant, it's very arrogant to think we can destroy something that could eat us whole at any time.

There's more to it all than people think. I was in the line of thinking this was an act of Nature, but now I'm starting to wonder. The economy is going to take a huge blast for this (perfect for the UK) and then the Conservatives will be like ''We'll save the economy, we're all about change'' then it sets that up for them to come in next.

There will probably be less flights leaving airports as people will notice how nice it is without planes and they'll use it as an excuse to cut down on Co2 emissions:rolleyes: (another 1+ for TPTB, less people leaving their 'zones' often... sorry, countries)

The Polish Presidents death has been pretty much forgotten about already. If TPTB can create Earthquakes and manipulate the weather (Hurricane Katrina) then surely they can erupt a Volcano, with the very same methods. We're forgetting that we're being manipulated and controlled by people who are trying to play God with this planet.

Well NASA have cut the feed from Lasco2 and Lasco3,
which means that we can't see what the sun is doing.
Both (public) feeds stop at about 4:30pm on the 17th.
Yet the MDI feeds show time stamps late into 18th April,
so they can't use the 'lost contact' excuse.

Also, the USGS are not showing earthquake readings from Iceland.
There have been several over the 2.5 magnitude cut-off
that have just been ignored by the USGS, and they are also not
keeping the totals current with their own reports
i.e. not adding earthquakes that they should to the total activity.

On top of the above, Katla, the big volcano next to the current eruption,
has shown - according to the Icelandic geologists - a 200% increase
in activity.

http://scienceray.com/earth-sciences/locals-believe-katla-volcano-in-iceland-near-eyjafjallajokull-will-erupt-in-seven-days/

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/Myrdalsjokull.jpg

You can see where the monitors are situated,
and relate to http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html


Time to get some popcorn/munchies for the show methinks.

Oh bloody hell, talk about suspect! lol

[tracker]

there is definately more to the icelandic eruption than we are seeing, and i think it literally is a smoke screen to further events, burying other news on the one hand, diverting attention from other thingys afoot, and maybe even it nis a design to keep us from seeing something very real in the skies as well as on the ground.


yes well it is a bit strange that a complete blanket rule of "NO FLYING" has been implicated all over Europe .

Well at least no chemitrails for now ah .


:cool:

[tracker]

True there was a time when I would have beloved that the tsunamis and earthquakes etc were all natural but not now, not with all the tech they have.

That was not what I was saying .
I was saying that they are natural events building up to the BIG ONE soon to come .
I think that most of these cospiracy theories about man made catastrophes are put there to take our focus away from these events that keep getting more frequent .

there is a reason why these events are getting more frequent , and THEY do not want us to focus on that reason .

but That does not mean that MY belief is rock solid and unmovable .

:cool:

[anthony1965]

conspiracies, conspiracies , conspiracies
I say bull
what we face is nature
there are too many of us and we are destoying the planet
nature always takes care of herself and destroys anything thta gets out of balance
we are the bacteria on earths skin
now she fights back
you can belive what you wnat that life could be beatiful if we beet the NWO
I say again bull
Can 6 billion people really all live like Kings on finite planet?
again I say bull

Yes, bull springs to mind when I read your posts. :rolleyes:

[subl1minal]

That was not what I was saying .
I was saying that they are natural events building up to the BIG ONE soon to come .
I think that most of these cospiracy theories about man made catastrophes are put there to take our focus away from these events that keep getting more frequent .

there is a reason why these events are getting more frequent , and THEY do not want us to focus on that reason .

but That does not mean that MY belief is rock solid and unmovable .

:cool:

And what's the big one? :)

[the apprentice]

yes well it is a bit strange that a complete blanket rule of "NO FLYING" has been implicated all over Europe .

Well at least no chemitrails for now ah . :cool:

Possibly another nail in the coffin for the last vesibules of big business, try to keep the planes out of the skies on purpous to futher the British plight towards a triple T society of bankruptcies, man taking advantage of mother natures ways once again.

[anthony1965]

Yep - what I've learnt since being on this forum is when I see an event like this on the msm I analyse it from two perspectives.
1. Who gains from it.
2. Is there any symbolism involved.
3. Where does the money trail go.

Simple formula but very good! :)

4. Has it been predicted?
5. Who suffers from it?

The technology exists to give mother nature a tweak to trigger off "natural" disasters. Anyone who doubts this please speak up and we can go through the evidence again.

Given that at least some prophecies are bad guy blueprints. There was an Edgar Cayce thread recently which showed that he made specific reference to Iceland, to be followed by more "natural" devastation, especially on the west coast of the USA. Cayce was a freemason and advisor to presidents and Rockefellers. The kind of disasters that are seen by New Agers as Gaia's revenge and many religionists as "signs" of the End.

** It could be of course that some prophecies were right on the money and were simply foretelling what was to come from a neutral perspective, but maybe we can focus on more positive outcomes and avoid the worst. I still believe that this is possible. Override the bad guys plans.

The orgonite gifters are just one small group who have made a very positive contribution in recent years. There are other groups working in many different areas to make the world a better place. Every positive contribution helps. Perhaps more than many suspect. :)

[spiraltrance]

The population of this planet could fit into the state of Texas and live comfterbly. I can't provide 'proof' for this but you can look to Jim Marrs for stuff about that.

Yes there are enough resources to feed, clothe and house every person on the planet. But living standards would not be what we've grown accustiomed to in the west and what people in the developing world aspire to.

There'd be no multiple TVs, Mobile Phones, PCs and cars per household. The worlds population would have to become vegetarian or cut meat consumption down by 90-95%. And every family would have to limit themselves to one child.

Pretty much anything that consumes energy and resources but isn't essential for day to day existance would have to be done away with. Don't get me wrong, by doing this everyone would have a house that's comfortable to live in but humanity would have to give up many of it's luxuries and egoistic pursuits. And sadly i'm not sure that when push comes to shove people in the west would sacrifice all this for a more mundane existance over what we have now, nor would people in the 3rd stop having so many children.

[the apprentice]

And what's the big one? :)

Speculative, nature is hard to predict isn't she.

[tracker]

And what's the big one? :)

Again in all my mixed up beliefs :D I think it might be the 2012 event thing .

I am never able to make up my mind about this 2012 , but situations like volcanic eruptions , earthquakes , Tsunamis , are indeed escualting .

I am not trying to say thet Haarp does not exist , I am more than sure it does .

But to be able to focus all that energy into one eruption or earthquake , with out affecting the whole world does seem out of our ability at the moment .

I do think that man can induce eruptions man made , I do think man can make earthquakes , but the intensity and precision needed to keep it local , is what makes me think we do not yet have that ability with out making it muck the world entirely .

In time we might be able to , it is all so ------------ hard to take in at the end of the day , not because it is impossible , but because there is just so much placed upon man makin these things happen .

surely it takes our focus away from the events that will esculate up to 2012 ?:)

[the apprentice]

Yes there are enough resources to feed, clothe and house every person on the planet. But living standards would not be what we've grown accustiomed to in the west and what people in the developing world aspire to.

There'd be no multiple TVs, Mobile Phones, PCs and cars per household. The worlds population would have to become vegetarian or cut meat consumption down by 90-95%. And every family would have to limit themselves to one child.

Pretty much anything that consumes energy and resources but isn't essential for day to day existance would have to be done away with. Don't get me wrong, by doing this everyone would have a house that's comfortable to live in but humanity would have to give up many of it's luxuries and egoistic pursuits. And sadly i'm not sure that when push comes to shove people would sacrifice all this for a mundane existance over what we have now.

We are basically there now bar the odd chocolate bar :), yet we live very comfortably indeed, the two of us on around 30-35 quid a week of the highest quality home made food, doing it and wearing the T shirt, its not that hard to do you know, egoistic purists not really, common scensiblists yes.

[tracker]

Possibly another nail in the coffin for the last vesibules of big business, try to keep the planes out of the skies on purpous to futher the British plight towards a triple T society of bankruptcies, man taking advantage of mother natures ways once again.

yes now thats a good answer because TPTB are looking for more reasons to take more money from tax payers .

this is the perfect excuse .

IE they needed to bail out the bloody airports and air lines now ah ?

typical !:)

[spiraltrance]

We are basically there now bar the odd chocolate bar :), yet we live very comfortably indeed, the two of us on around 30-35 quid a week of the highest quality home made food, doing it and wearing the T shirt, its not that hard to do you know, egoistic purists not really, common scensiblists yes.

That's good but unfortunately for every person like you there are 10,000 to a 100,000 people that aren't and have no intention of switching to a less materialistic life.

[subl1minal]

Again in all my mixed up beliefs :D I think it might be the 2012 event thing .

I am never able to make up my mind about this 2012 , but situations like volcanic eruptions , earthquakes , Tsunamis , are indeed escualting .

I am not trying to say thet Haarp does not exist , I am more than sure it does .

But to be able to focus all that energy into one eruption or earthquake , with out affecting the whole world does seem out of our ability at the moment .

I do think that man can induce eruptions man made , I do think man can make earthquakes , but the intensity and precision needed to keep it local , is what makes me think we do not yet have that ability with out making it muck the world entirely .

In time we might be able to , it is all so ------------ hard to take in at the end of the day , not because it is impossible , but because there is just so much placed upon man makin these things happen .

surely it takes our focus away from the events that will esculate up to 2012 ?:)

To be honest, I think it's the opposite. I think everyone will be keeping 2012 in mind with all these 'events' happening, possibly shitting their pants. Which is what the TPTB want. If there is a big cataclysm. It's going to be man made, a big illusion.

I think Rik Clay was definitely on to something huge with 2012 and he was silenced because of it. There's more to it than the doom and gloom scenario. They're pushing that outcome/idea out there for a reason ;)

[anthony1965]

Yes there are enough resources to feed, clothe and house every person on the planet. But living standards would not be what we've grown accustiomed to in the west and what people in the developing world aspire to.

There'd be no multiple TVs, Mobile Phones, PCs and cars per household. The worlds population would have to become vegetarian or cut meat consumption down by 90-95%. And every family would have to limit themselves to one child.

Pretty much anything that consumes energy and resources but isn't essential for day to day existance would have to be done away with. Don't get me wrong, by doing this everyone would have a house that's comfortable to live in but humanity would have to give up many of it's luxuries and egoistic pursuits. And sadly i'm not sure that when push comes to shove people would choose a more mundane existance over what we have now.

Living standards wouldn't be what we've grown accustomed to.

They could be much, much better!

Modern society is wasteful in the extreme and very often leads to a lower, rather than higher quality of life.

And we don't have to live without all technology and conveniences. Houses could be built better.

We may have to sacrifice our golf courses for farm land. :eek: Mmmm :) Land reclamation by the people of local golf courses.... :rolleyes:

Holiday at home or at least closer to home. No more mass air travel! :eek: Mmmm. :)

Dismantle bogus health services built for profit.

No more western nations consuming water in the third world to produce luxury crops while the locals thirst or suffer malnutrition.

No need for "wars for oil". Because we won't need it. Alternatives exist and there are oodles of oil out there.

Your comments about meat consumption and children are bogus. In a more natural farming environment, animals are a must! But animals living close by and not on the other side of the world. Less meat, yes, but no meat?

The one child family concept is unnecessary and simply a totalitarian scare tactic. Population is falling in many countries. Put an end to mass immigration and wait a few decades then the population will plummet across the industrialized world.

If people didn't have all the plastic shite and techno knick-knacks do you think they would miss them?

I don't.

An economy doesn't need to be based on shite.

It can be based on quality.

Quality. Quality. Quality. The three Q's. Or 4 if you like! :)

[spiraltrance]

Living standards wouldn't be what we've grown accustomed to.

They could be much, much better

Modern society is wasteful in the extreme and very often leads to a lower, rather than higher quality of life.

And we don't have to live without all technology and conveniences. Houses could be built better.

We may have to sacrifice our golf courses for farm land. :eek: Mmmm :) Land reclamation by the people of local golf courses.... :rolleyes:

Holiday at home or at least closer to home. No more mass air travel! :eek: Mmmm. :)

Dismantle bogus health services built for profit.

No more western nations consuming water in the third world to produce luxury crops while the locals thirst or suffer malnutrition.

No need for "wars for oil". Because we won't need it. Alternatives exist and there are oodles of oil out there.

Your comments about meat consumption and children are bogus. In a more natural farming environment, animals are a must! But animals living close by and not on the other side of the world. Less meat, yes, but no meat?

The one child family concept is unnecessary and simply a totalitarian scare tactic. Population is falling in many countries. Put an end to mass immigration and wait a few decades then the population will plummet across the industrialized world.

If people didn't have all the plastic shite and techno knick-knacks do you think they would miss them?

I don't.

An economy doesn't need to be based on shite.

It can be based on quality.

Quality. Quality. Quality. The three Q's. Or 4 if you like! :)

I agree with most of what you'r saying. Living standards would be better if you've overcome your material desires to do the consumer lifestyle, if you haven't though it probably won't be better hence why people won't change there ways.

And the worlds population is not falling it's increasing. It's decreasing in the west but drasticly increasing in the 3rd wolrd. Regardless of what multi-national corporations may be doing to the third world it's not good to have the mindest of breeding just for the sake of breeding especialy when you can't even feed yourself let alone the 5+ children you'll be bringing in the world.

The one child policy isn't a scare tactic, I think it's the most fair policy if you want an equal distribution of resources.

[yabs]

money is going to eurostar at the moment
are they in on it?

[anthony1965]

I agree with most of what you'r saying. Living standards would be better if you've overcome your material desires to do the consumer lifestyle, if you haven't though it probably won't be better hence why people won't change there ways.

The worlds population is not falling it's increasing. It's decreasing in the west but drasticly increasing in the 3rd wolrd. Regardless of what multi-national corporations may be doing to the third world it's not good to have the mindest of breeding just for the sake of breeding especialy when you can't even feed yourself let alone the 5+ children you'll be bringing in the world.

The one child policy isn't a scare tactic, I think it's the most fair policy if you want an equal distribution of resources.

My argument is that most people just buy and consume crap because it is there. Remove the crap and they won''t even notice it's gone after a while. And most of them would be better off without it.

No more Macdonalds! :eek: Mmmmmm. :)

The world's population is still increasing in total, but many countries are seeing declining birth rates. Many are already under the 2.2 figure which is quoted as necessary to maintain numbers. I'll dig out a post I made a few months ago that showed this very graphically. There are some surprises in there!

The one child policy is a scare tactic in my opinion, and it is also not necessary. There are many, many childless adults and that doesn't look likely to change. Brothers and sisters are very positive for any child and one child policies reek of state control.

[the apprentice]

I agree with most of what you'r saying. Living standards would be better if you've overcome your material desires to do the consumer lifestyle, if you haven't though it probably won't be better hence why people won't change there ways.

The worlds population is not falling it's increasing. It's decreasing in the west but drasticly increasing in the 3rd wolrd. Regardless of what multi-national corporations may be doing to the third world it's not good to have the mindest of breeding just for the sake of breeding especialy when you can't even feed yourself let alone the 5+ children you'll be bringing in the world.

The one child policy isn't a scare tactic, I think it's the most fair policy if you want an equal distribution of resources.

Its a no air travel, car, TV, mobile and holiday day on our menu, but the food is great, two people doing the maximum with the minimum, quality not quantity is the order of our day, the nature around here is marvelous the birds are singing in the back yard and greet us every morning for free, what more is there, only kidding.

The consumeristical world is one of the very hardest to break free from, the hypnotics of it all are staggering, the only way one can start the ball rolling is to turn off that TV otherwise your still surrounded by the all round sound system that is hypnotising you.

Cooking, the misses got out a very old tattered cook book which I found somewhere years ago, since she opened it she has never looked back, its all about doing something with your hand to eye coordination, lay the first brick and its always there in the mnds eye to go back to, open the god dammed book.

[the apprentice]

That's good but unfortunately for every person like you there are 10,000 to a 100,000 people that aren't and have no intention of switching to a less materialistic life.

Then we help those who want to help themselves, no excuses simply help them as we try to do, then there will be less who would hide behind false curtains which are permanently closed... And be rest assured there are now many thousands more people every day making those changes, looking for direction, this is why I spend so much time talking about it, when I'm silent I am doing it for ourselves.

[spiraltrance]

My argument is that most people just buy and consume crap because it is there. Remove the crap and they won''t even notice it's gone after a while. And most of them would be better off without it.

Don't be so sure. Human desire is human desire regardless of whether it can fulfilled or not. Though a new generation growing uop without being bombarded by slick marketing campiagns could change things.

The world's population is still increasing in total, but many countries are seeing declining birth rates. Many are already under the 2.2 figure which is quoted as necessary to maintain numbers. I'll dig out a post I made a few months ago that showed this very graphically. There are some surprises in there!

The one child policy is a scare tactic in my opinion, and it is also not necessary. There are many, many childless adults and that doesn't look likely to change. Brothers and sisters are very positive for any child and one child policies reek of state control.

Well, in 1900 the worlds population was about 400 million, in 2010 it's 6.5 billion and by 2050 it'll be 9 billion. The worlds population is going up not down.

[anthony1965]

Here is my post about declining birth rates across the world. There are some exceptions, but most countries, including many developing nations, have seen a decline. We just need to wait a few decades until the natural decline in total population occurs and learn to live in a world with declining populations.

Global fertility rates:

Down from 5.32 in 1961

to 2.51 in 2007

2.2 is the figure needed to maintain population, but that depends of course on the mortality rates in the individual nations

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058666264&postcount=246

[the apprentice]

Living standards wouldn't be what we've grown accustomed to.

They could be much, much better!

Modern society is wasteful in the extreme and very often leads to a lower, rather than higher quality of life.

And we don't have to live without all technology and conveniences. Houses could be built better.

We may have to sacrifice our golf courses for farm land. :eek: Mmmm :) Land reclamation by the people of local golf courses.... :rolleyes:

Holiday at home or at least closer to home. No more mass air travel! :eek: Mmmm. :)

Dismantle bogus health services built for profit.

No more western nations consuming water in the third world to produce luxury crops while the locals thirst or suffer malnutrition.

No need for "wars for oil". Because we won't need it. Alternatives exist and there are oodles of oil out there.

Your comments about meat consumption and children are bogus. In a more natural farming environment, animals are a must! But animals living close by and not on the other side of the world. Less meat, yes, but no meat?

The one child family concept is unnecessary and simply a totalitarian scare tactic. Population is falling in many countries. Put an end to mass immigration and wait a few decades then the population will plummet across the industrialized world.

If people didn't have all the plastic shite and techno knick-knacks do you think they would miss them?

I don't.

An economy doesn't need to be based on shite.

It can be based on quality.

Quality. Quality. Quality. The three Q's. Or 4 if you like! :)

Spot on, especially the part about farming ;)

[spiraltrance]

The consumeristical world is one of the very hardest to break free from, the hypnotics of it all are staggering, the only way one can start the ball rolling is to turn off that TV otherwise your still surrounded by the all round sound system that is hypnotising you.


100% agree. TV and advertising is the root cause of alot of the worlds ills.

[anthony1965]

Don't be so sure. Human desire is human desire regardless of whether it can fulfilled or not.



Well, in 1900 the worlds population was about 400 million, in 2010 it's 6.5 billion and by 2050 it'll be 9 billion. The worlds population is going up not down and in an unhealthy way.

The world population wasn't 400 million in 1900. More like 1.7 billion. Here is an interesting graphic. Note the 3 UN population growth cases. The low figure would match the developments I described in my previous post.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/World-Population-1800-2100.png

[yabs]

anthiny
go to india or the philippinea and see hoiw mnay chilkdless adults there are
In the philippines thye thinks its their duty to breed like rabbits becuase thats
waht god told them to do
go forth and multiply
sad but true
same all over the third world
breed like rabits then wonder why they are poor
thats why i do not belive in any charity for third world
they reap what they sow

[anthony1965]

Spot on, especially the part about farming ;)

There are lots of good stories around. Yesterday, while I was busy in the garden, my wife took the the three kids to a project organized to clear up an area of woodland. They loved it. There were well over one hundred people there who had devoted an afternoon to tidying up the woods.

Just one of countless positive stories going on every day, every where.

People are often better then their reputation! :)

[anthony1965]

anthiny
go to india or the philippinea and see hoiw mnay chilkdless adults there are
In the philippines thye thinks its their duty to breed like rabbits becuase thats
waht god told them to do
go forth and multiply
sad but true
same all over the third world
breed like rabits then wonder why they are poor
thats why i do not belive in any charity for third world
they reap what they sow

Please see this post.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058666264&postcount=246

India 2.68 in 2007 down from 5.85 in 1960

Phillipines 3.11 in 2007 down from 6.96 in 1960.

The trend is down almost everywhere.

[subl1minal]

anthiny
go to india or the philippinea and see hoiw mnay chilkdless adults there are
In the philippines thye thinks its their duty to breed like rabbits becuase thats
waht god told them to do
go forth and multiply
sad but true
same all over the third world
breed like rabits then wonder why they are poor
thats why i do not belive in any charity for third world
they reap what they sow

:rolleyes:

The charity rarely gets to anyone it's meant for anyway.

[the apprentice]

Do we actually know what and how we describe what a stardard of living is here,,, A standard of living in my eyes depends upon who does what for himself, not what another does for nothing for someone else.

Remember The Little Red Hen song says, which was once sung in schools of old, teaching the very basic morals of life to our children, are we today a bunch of adults singing our own songs of destruction towards our own children, the answer is a great big yes.

If we trust the school curriculum as gospel we will fall away from what the little Red Hen has taught us, I got home from school one day and told my Grand parents what the teacher told us all, she said she wanted all of us to be like her, their reply was, we do things differently, does that makes any scense ?

We all know from birth what is right and what is wrong, so why can't we all set out our own ten commanments for a kinder happier existance, because we follow anothers fortune and try to work anothers gain, that is why.

Was anyone here taught these values in school if not then we need to make sure our children don't miss out either, because they will be, I cannot be any plainer than that.

[yabs]

yes and has been proven to do moire harm than good
ie bonehead and that scruffy git

[the apprentice]

yes and has been proven to do moire harm than good
ie bonehead and that scruffy git

Please enlighten us, so we can masticate digests and ponder a while over the answer, who are these fellows you speak of ?.

[yabs]

anthpny
trust me when i say the population in these countires is exploding
maybe its looks lower as many leave to move abroad but the AVErage family size is 4 to 5 kids

[the apprentice]

If what Noakes is saying will come to pass then another mass migration of those larger families might not be in favour of such harsh governmental policies and will leave again or not apply to come, simply watch the sink filling and emptying again depending on the climate in said countries.

It is clear many do know or have an idea of what is a foot, because a record number of 320 odd thousand natives left the Uk last year and rising, taking their money and their skills base and knowledge with them.

If what Yabbs is saying is correct then the country will soon reach saturation point and not be able to self fund all the hand outs especially if there is no work to raise taxes, and a victim of the governing bodies stupid idea will everyone become sooner or later.

[jesuitsdidit]

There is information coming from Mexico that is not being released on other media. It is even secret in Mexico, but many know about it.

We know that after the 7.2 quake on the border of Mexico and California on Easter, sulphorous water emerged from the ground and sunk many homes. Baja separated from the mainland by 3 meters.

Now, we are getting info that underground military bases in California are being evacuated. Another major, catastrophic event is building fast.

We are also hearing that in May this year, an artificially generated tsunami will occur in the Western Pacific and possibly strike the west coasts of the US and Mexico. This is why there is so much preparation in San Diego and Oregon.

We now know that Russian military saboteurs are stationed throughout the US and a gas or dirty bomb event is possible. We don't know where yet, but most likely in the southern or southwestern US.

We also have discovered that Russian agents AND Israeli Mossad are in Northern Mexico and and facilitating the so-called drug wars and murders. None of this will ever be on the news.

The second half of 2010 and the first half of 2011will see major events that have never been seen on Earth before. The Icelandic ash and the grounding of planes is part of Kuiper Belt sabotage. They are planning their own event.

Fasten your seat belts and DO YOUR MENTAL WORK!!

- http://expansions.com/News.cfm

how accurate is this site ?

i dont think this is accurate
but im now taking nibiru/nemesis v seriously
this wd explain why they are making coastal preparations
if its true you need to be away from coasts, fault-lines and on high ground with some facility for spending a minimum of 7 days underground
more info in nibiru on world cup logo? thread by zephiloyd

[the apprentice]

i dont think this is accurate
but im now taking nibiru/nemesis v seriously
this wd explain why they are making coastal preparations
if its true you need to be away from coasts, fault-lines and on high ground with some facility for spending a minimum of 7 days underground
more info in nibiru on world cup logo? thread by zephiloyd

Do you have any links or any other information to the coastal preps ? cheers

[yabs]

yeah what coastal preps are you talking about?
if its a 500 ft tsunami I do not think any prep will help
we are not talking about a bit of a high tide here

[the apprentice]

yeah what coastal preps are you talking about?
if its a 500 ft tsunami I do not think any prep will help
we are not talking about a bit of a high tide here

We are above that height here in Swaledale which goes up to well over a 1000 in quite a few places, higher than that and we would be in real trouble.

[rebelrobot]

What an inspiring thread . Apprentice , you are fast becoming my favourite poster on here , a lot of what you say rings true with me.

Whatever is coming , I agree with you all that we should be sensible about things and stay positive and try to remember that amongst the doom and gloom there are like-minded people out there.

[jesuitsdidit]

yeah what coastal preps are you talking about?
if its a 500 ft tsunami I do not think any prep will help
we are not talking about a bit of a high tide here

exactly
but they dont want to panic the sheep

[dangermouse]

are you saying russia is preparing a blow or an invasion ?

invasion of usa is practically impossible.

its like the plot of modern warfare 2 ^^

[subl1minal]

its like the plot of modern warfare 2 ^^

Yeah, where it turns out the American General bloke is in ties with the Russian terrorist ;)

[jesuitsdidit]

here r some vids to get u started
the obama one is only relevant coz there has been extensive discoveries of hiiden msgs in torah code re 2012 will post link later

Torah Codes Predict and Warn about BARACK OBAMA as PRESIDENT YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.!

Robert Sepehr - Planet X Video Robert Sepehr - Planet X Video - YouTube

KOLBRIN NIBIRU DESTROYER lore read by Merlyn Stone: Mardukite TV GL 4.1
KOLBRIN NIBIRU DESTROYER lore read by Merlyn Stone: Mardukite TV GL 4.1 - YouTube

Nephilim Giants Sumerian Anunnaki Gods of Nibiru
Nephilim Giants Sumerian Anunnaki Gods of Nibiru - YouTube (not watched yet but my info is that nibiru is one of 7 major planets orbiting the suns unlit dwarf twin nemesis)

[the apprentice]

What an inspiring thread . Apprentice , you are fast becoming my favourite poster on here , a lot of what you say rings true with me.

Whatever is coming , I agree with you all that we should be sensible about things and stay positive and try to remember that amongst the doom and gloom there are like-minded people out there.

Cheers fellow citizen of freedom :) ;)

The way I see things happening is, that others would like to cloud ones true learned judgments so in the event of a real down turn cause more confusion and more hardship, you would think that a government would care for its people much better, but sadly that's not the whole story as we can well see.

Many people will say their treatment in the past and today are amicable but I have seen and witnessed many failings in my own medical and other life history, which would have been a lot worse if I hadn't had some insider knowledge of all the ailments I was having a few years back, I had been very neglected for several years for no reason than lazy unchecked practices.

However its not the same for everyones perception, many will put up with more than others, this the government knows and why it has three tear levels of engagements throughout.

If one knows tha laws they tow the line, those that don't they will keep quiet and work their own tickets, not to give back to those that really need their help and give it to others that are truly working their own ticket, the people who do this and get away with things is all and well, but they learn nothing of what they need to do if that funding ever ran out, and thus would be much worse of afterwards.

This is why I use the motto, help those who want to help themselves, because there are millions out there going to have a very hard time, the true shirkers will not be forthcoming so would get no help, it all comes round on itself sooner or later.

My Grandfaher used to say get ready to fly folks because its comming to a place near you soon and the sooner we can all recognise the warnings signs and the sheeples to avoid the better we will all fair later.

How high above the coast are you mate ? google earth it.

[jesuitsdidit]

if u go 2 yt channel of nibirurr
there r 4 or 5 vids of nemesis (his earliest ones)

[jesuitsdidit]

Torah Code 2012 and Planet X vid is here
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2009/planetx-2009-12a/1.shtml
and info here
http://yowusa.com/

[jesuitsdidit]

this planet is also called Wormwood in Revelation ch 8
also referred to as The Destroyer in the Kolbrin Bible
is on a 3600 yr cycle
last passing c 1600 bc cd explain israelites walking across red sea
b4 c 5000bc Noah
b4 c 8600bc disappearance of Atlantis
- whole continents can disappear as its gravity moves magma layer below crust
revelation talks about 1/3 of humanity dying see the rabbits hole w/s

[jesuitsdidit]

for the basic info go to my posts on
Nibiru on World Cup logo?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111950&page=2

starting at 16 on page 2

[jesuitsdidit]

you need to read this thrd

NASA is continuing their Monkey Business

http://the-rabbits-hole.com/?page_id=46&vasthtmlaction=viewtopic&t=62.2

[jesuitsdidit]

the basic info is -

our sun like 80% of all stars has a twin
it is on a 3600 yr cycle
it is 17x smaller than the sun - about the same size as Jupiter
it is unlit hence why it cd only be seen in infra-red
but can now be seen with binos - highwic uses 15x70
it is a red/brown colour
it always causes much damage
it has various names - nemesis, planet x, the destroyer, wormwood
nibiru is one of its planets
it has a methane atmosphere which when mixed with earths O2 atmosp causes fire
its gravity is strong enough to cause major disturbances on earth
as earths crust is pulled towards it
there is a thread on rabbit hole called 'size of wormwood' to see jupiter vs earth

if you want to find it go to
http://skychart.skytonight.com/observing/skychart/skychart.asp?city=Brisbane&lng=153.0166667&lat=-27.5&tz=36000&
enhttp://skychart.skytonight.com/observing/skychart/skychart.asp?city=Brisbane&lng=153.0166667&lat=-27.5&tz=36000&
youll need to d/l java

this is highwic's locn in australia
click change locn and time
nb add dst

the reading for bournemouth uk 19 april 2010 0430 am will give you a picture
if you look on the eastern horizon you will see Jupiter - according to highwic this is infact Wormwood
from this u shd be able to work out its position in yr locn
highwic reckons it'll make its inbound pass july/aug this yr and outbound late in 2011 which he says will be more destructive

[jesuitsdidit]

i would suggest we ask ptb if we can borrow their nuclear powered drilling machines (assuming theyve finished with them) and start digging big-time
it will be necessary to be underground for 7 days acc to mother sitchin

[pessi_optimist]

Where to start with this whole thread...?

Yes, the Earth is undergoing changes and this will continue as the physical world continues to reflect the consciousness of the planet. However, disinformation will be rife as many factions want to attach themselves to these changes to pump up their importance even though they are merely along for the ride. Any information "coming in" is total BS and cannot be trusted.

The US has already been taken down by saboteurs. They're called the New World Order. The Russian military can't take down the Ukraine at his point. However, NWO/US war machine can KILL EVERYONE about 10,000 time over. There is ZERO percent chance that the Russians will give the US an excuse to crush them militarily. Better to send out a steady stream of NWO Disclosure to keep the pressure on and cut off the US financially.

Yes, the fascists are the biggest drug dealers on the planet. Big Pharma + Big Narco = same fascists. Yes, they create violence and instability everywhere along the drug chain. Violence is through the roof right now because the fascists are broke and they are wringing every dollar they can out of the drug trade. Plus, they want to terrify as many North Americans as possible, so the population will buy into the North American Union. Bottom line: the Mounties, US Marshals, and Federales can kick the shit out of the "drug lords" -and will- once open season is declared on the bastards once and for all (starting in Langley, VA).

The bad guys are freaking out in all directions because the good guys are finally fighting back. Yes, bad stuff is still happening, but you know what else is happening?

Reversing NWO timelines, investigating central banks, ending fiat currency, ending fractional reserve banking, exposing corporate crime and corruption, exposing corrupt politicians, exposing secret societies, exposing degenerate "elites," exposing climate lies, exposing religious lies, exposing world health lies, ending the 9-11 truth embargo, ending the ET truth embargo, ending the free energy truth embargo...AND manifesting the on-going awakening of the beautiful and amazing people of planet Earth.

Don't buy into the negative hype. Believe in truth and bring goodness into being. We can do this together come what may.

Wow, it is truly refreshing to read something here that isn't focussed purely on the negative aspect, without being sentimental and idealistic.

Thankyou for posting this

[pessi_optimist]

gotta re-read this whole thread

[jesuitsdidit]

he says it is currently 2.75 AU away ~250,000,000 miles
moving at 20-30,000 mph
thats 600k miles per day

[jesuitsdidit]

i would suggest we ask ptb if we can borrow their nuclear powered drilling machines (assuming theyve finished with them) and start digging big-time
it will be necessary to be underground for 7 days acc to mother sitchin

having asked nasa first which will be the safest areas
im assuming high ground away from fault-lines and sea eg Denver good locn
presumably places where the earths crust is thickest will be least likely to split
he says u can now see it with heat coming off and moons

[princessofwands]

Lots of Planet X links on this page

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_hercolobus.htm#inicio

Planet X and Kolbrin bible quotes

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_hercolobus.htm#inicio

[jesuitsdidit]

he first saw it last august in IR
then lost it 4 2 months over Xmas as it went behind sun
now visible again and much closer
will post some more sites soon but dig around n u will find the info

[jesuitsdidit]

i dont know about the annunaki stuff
i havnt looked into it yet
some say sitchin is disinfo

[jesuitsdidit]

nibirurr's channel

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=NIBIRUrr#g/u

see his earliest 9 vids - short (except the part 1 n 2 7 min ones)

[whiterain]

Wow, it is truly refreshing to read something here that isn't focussed purely on the negative aspect, without being sentimental and idealistic.

Thankyou for posting this

2nded great positive post bob. the rats are cornered and lashing out, but at least they're cornered right

[jesuitsdidit]

the question is
if the mayan long calendar 2012 prediction of a new age beginning is bcoz nemesis will have passed then presumably they must hav known about its previous pass c 1600bc as their calendar began c3000bc
twd b interesting to know wot they said about that.

[whiterain]

There are lots of good stories around. Yesterday, while I was busy in the garden, my wife took the the three kids to a project organized to clear up an area of woodland. They loved it. There were well over one hundred people there who had devoted an afternoon to tidying up the woods.

Just one of countless positive stories going on every day, every where.

People are often better then their reputation! :)

yes i think this is going to be a massive time of people just realising that nothing good will ever happen if you wait for it to come from the leaders of society. if you want to improve the world you live in you just have to go out there and do it and sod the people who may tell you not to

[jesuitsdidit]

there is a good diagram of tectonic plates here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plates_tect2_en.svg

[jesuitsdidit]

this is massive if its true and im pretty convinced it is
we need to work together
we need to know what distance it will pass from earth
whether the distance is always the same
if not, what was the distance on previous passings
this will enable us to calculate likely damage

NASA presumably knows this already
if they wd release the information then we could prepare more effectively

[jesuitsdidit]

we need someone who can do astronomical computations
i suggested patrick moore who lives in Selsey UK
prof brain cox from BBC
lord rees at Greenwich
and gilbert eriksen

they could direct us to someone

[jesuitsdidit]

im assuming most radar/air force bases have an underground component??

[jesuitsdidit]

Amazing Crop Circle Reveals A 2012 Prophesy

Amazing Crop Circle Reveals A 2012 Prophesy - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pus4bzfFzmM&feature=related

[jesuitsdidit]

planet x forecast for april 2007 to july 2014

http://www.nibiru2012.it/documenti/orbita_nibiru.pdf

[jesuitsdidit]

Nibiru/Planet X photos taken January 2008

Nibiru/Planet X photos taken January 2008 - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2835QkjzaEQ

Time2FeedTheKitty — 30 May 2008 — NOTE: This video was originally posted on February 20, 2008 by YouTube user NibiruShock2012. The original producer of this video was compromised and his account stolen by an impostor. This has been fully documented in multiple YouTube videos by YouTube director yowbooks. This impostor was subsequently forced to close the account and to remove the hoax videos created by the impostor, along with the authentic videos created by the original, anonymous author.

I am re-posting this video by the Original NibiruShock2012 for three reasons.

(1) This video authentically documents a clear and present danger to humanity.

(2) It was submitted by an anonymous source and is therefore in the Public Domain.

(3) Should the impostor file a copyright complaint, we hope to compel disclosure of the impostor's true identity.

Below is the original About Text that appeared with this video on its initial release date. Below that are links to related analysis articles and videos.

Presented in this video are some photos of what many people call Nibiru and Planet X. They are very real and my evidence is pure fact. What many people do not realise, is that Nibiru is infact a dark star, about half the size of our Sun. It has a number of large planets and moons orbiting around it, one of which is Planet X. It's kind of like a mini solar system. These objects are heading towards us, as they have done in the distant past. These objects will become visible to every human on Earth within the next couple of years. Some time around 2012/13, these objects will be closer to us than our own Sun, and will dominate the daytime and nighttime sky. Another fact many people do not know about, is that Planet X is an inhabited planet. The US government knows this, and are infact in contact with them because this is not just a catastrophic event for us, it is for them aswell. Many people can be saved, but actions need to be taken NOW. If we leave it to the last minute, it will be to late. Within the next few years, nobody will be able to hide the fact these objects are heading towards us, because they will be seen by everyone and will grow larger as they approach us. Global panic is unavoidable and this event is unavoidable.

For further research, or to follow the story of this revealing video, click on the following links:

http://www.yowusa.com/planetx/2008/pl...

http://www.yowusa.com/planetx/2008/pl...

http://yowusa.com/video/survivng/1.shtml

http://xfacts.com/

[jesuitsdidit]

Nibiru/Planet X update February 1 2008

Nibiru/Planet X update February 1 2008 - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJb0Uu0_HP8

Time2FeedTheKitty — 30 May 2008 — This is NibiruShock2012's second video.

NOTE: This video was originally posted on March 3, 2008 by YouTube user NibiruShock2012. The original producer of this video was compromised and his account stolen by an impostor. This has been fully documented in multiple YouTube videos by YouTube director yowbooks. This impostor was subsequently forced to close the account and to remove the hoax videos created by the impostor, along with the authentic videos created by the Original, anonymous author.

I am re-posting this video by the Original NibiruShock2012 for three reasons.

(1) This video authentically documents a clear and present danger to humanity.

(2) It was submitted by an anonymous source and is therefore in the Public Domain.

(3) Should the impostor file a copyright complaint, we hope to compel disclosure of the impostor's true identity.

Below are links to related analysis articles and videos.

http://www.yowusa.com/planetx/2008/pl...

http://www.yowusa.com/planetx/2008/pl...

http://www.yowusa.com/planetx/2008/pl...

http://xfacts.com/

[jesuitsdidit]

http://yowusa.com/planetx/jennerfiles/images/1.shtml


The Jenner Files: Irrefutable Planet X (Nibiru) Evidence
Part 3 — Brown Dwarf Winged Disc Images

* Part 1 — Brown Dwarf (AKA Planet X) Articles
* Part 2 — Binary Sun (Brown Dwarf) Icons
* Part 4 — Destroyer (Brown Dwarf) Prophesy

Start Zmags.com Viewer

Yowusa.com, August 10, 2008
Greg Jenner

This category provides an assortment of ‘stylized’ brown dwarf replicas based on ancient observations.

* Free PDF eBook (1,512 KB)
* Source Files (1,499 KB)
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* About Greg Jenner

The Jenner Files: Part 3 - Brown Dwarf Winged Disc ImagesThese files visually show how our binary companion manifests itself into an “all winged” disc or globe just prior to the flyby.

The following passage describes the image files collected for this category:

"Typhon [the Destroyer] overtopped the mountains and his head often brushed the stars. One of his hands reached out to the west and the other to the east… From the thighs downward he had huge coils of vipers which…emitted a long hissing…His body was ALL WINGED…and fire flashed from his eyes…Such and so great was Typhon [the Destroyer] when, hurling kindled rocks, he…spouted a great jet of fire from his mouth…"—Classical Author: Appollodorus

Yowusa.com subscribers can download the original source files used to produce this eBook. Subscribe to Yowusa.com.


About Greg Jenner and Planet X
and The Kolbrin Bible Connection

Planet X and the Kolbrin BibleGreg Jenner is the author of Planet X
and The Kolbrin Bible Connection and one of the top Planet X historians alive today — if not the best! He believes that the ancients were extremely clear in their warnings to us about Planet X and 2012. In this groundbreaking work, he details numerous correlations between the 2012 prophecies of the Maya and those of other cultures with chilling clarity.

Jenner believes The Kolbrin Bible to be the modern day Rosetta Stone of Planet X, because it clearly describes the destruction of Atlantis, Noah's Flood and Exodus. According to the Egyptian and Celtic authors of this ancient secular wisdom text, these cataclysms were triggered during previous flybys of Planet X.

Were it not for The Kolbrin Bible, much of this ancient knowledge would be lost to us. This is an urgent fact, because many of its harbinger signs have already come to pass and with one inescapable conclusion. The next catastrophic flyby of Planet X is imminent!
Table of Contents

* Foreword by Marshall Masters
* Jeremiah’s Warning
* Planet X Investigation
* The Kolbrin Bible
* The Space Monster’s ‘Incoming Mail’
* Our Horned Dark Sister
* The Hour of ‘The Destroyer’ Is At Hand
* Destroyer’s Doomshape
* Sinking Of Atlantis
* Noah’s Flood
* The Floodtale of Celtic Tradition
* Exodus — Triggered By The Destroyer
* Paying Homage To The Destroyer
* The ‘Shape’ of Things to Come
* Prophet Elidor’s Warning
* The Countdown to 2012
* Alphabetical Index

[jeisworth]

Yes there are enough resources to feed, clothe and house every person on the planet. But living standards would not be what we've grown accustiomed to in the west and what people in the developing world aspire to.

There'd be no multiple TVs, Mobile Phones, PCs and cars per household. The worlds population would have to become vegetarian or cut meat consumption down by 90-95%. And every family would have to limit themselves to one child.

Pretty much anything that consumes energy and resources but isn't essential for day to day existance would have to be done away with. Don't get me wrong, by doing this everyone would have a house that's comfortable to live in but humanity would have to give up many of it's luxuries and egoistic pursuits. And sadly i'm not sure that when push comes to shove people in the west would sacrifice all this for a more mundane existance over what we have now, nor would people in the 3rd stop having so many children.

irrational, i don't see your logic

[jeisworth]

irrational, i don't see your logic

not to be rude, what i mean is we would still have the entire rest of the world as a resource. it was just stated that the entire earths population could live comfortabably each with their own 2-3 acres of land for personal use(in texas). obviously that would be a lowered standard of living for some.

[jesuitsdidit]

i would suggest we ask ptb if we can borrow their nuclear powered drilling machines (assuming theyve finished with them) and start digging big-time
it will be necessary to be underground for 7 days acc to mother sitchin

presumably chalk is the easiest type of rock to dig into..

[jesuitsdidit]

Nibiru/Planet X photos taken January 2008 - Study Findings

Nibiru/Planet X photos taken January 2008 - Study Findings - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j-Zg4bRjp0&feature=player_embedded

yowbooks — 06 April 2008 — Following an intensive a 7-week study we have upgraded our assessment of NibiruShock2012's first two videos from "compelling" to "highly credible." This video documents the events leading up to this change in chronological order.

What prompts us to make this claim is the massive, highly successful government disinformation campaign waged against these two important disclosure videos by NibiruShock2012.

We further believe that NibiruShock2012's latest video is a sophisticated disinformation ploy that has been presented as a hoax in order to quell any further public discussion. These specific findings are detailed in the reports by Janice Manning and Jacco van der Worp, MSc.

READ THE DETAILED STUDY FINDINGS
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2008/planet...

Note: Yowusa.com subscribers can also download a full screen capture of the private communication from NibiruShock2012 to Marshall Masters on March 10, 2008 that was instrumental in the development of these study findings.


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YouTube - Broadcast Yourself....

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YouTube - Broadcast Yourself....

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[magenta_moonshadow]

Nibiru/Planet X update February 1 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJb0Uu0_HP8

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJb0Uu0_HP8

Time2FeedTheKitty — 30 May 2008 — This is NibiruShock2012's second video.]

Well, according to this video, Nibiru should already be easily visible to everyone in South America and Africa...:rolleyes:

[magenta_moonshadow]

The fault line in California will not break. I will not let it happen. So don't worry about it. About first OPEN contact, coming VERY soon!!

Aww, that's jolly good of you, mate!:D

[jesuitsdidit]

Planet X / Nibiru Leaked Images Analysis (Part 3 of 3)

Planet X / Nibiru Leaked Images Analysis (Part 3 of 3) - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKNc9MqwhKU&feature=related

[jesuitsdidit]

Well, according to this video, Nibiru should already be easily visible to everyone in South America and Africa...:rolleyes:

it is - read my previous posts
its been visible in S Hemisphere since Aug 09
now is visible in N Hemisphere with naked eye
or can see heat coming off + moons with 15x70 binos

dont expect me to correct you when ive already posted the information pls

i dont know if its still visible in S Hemisphere but it is now in N H

[bemore]

it is - read my previous posts
its been visible in S Hemisphere since Aug 09
now is visible in N Hemisphere with naked eye
or can see heat coming off + moons with 15x70 binos

dont expect me to correct you when ive already posted the information pls

Where bouts in the sky can you see it???

[realy]

some good links there jesuitsdidit, thanks.

[yabs]

bullshot
do the maths it works out as less than an eighth of an acre per person if that

[conspicioastrum]

it is - read my previous posts
its been visible in S Hemisphere since Aug 09
now is visible in N Hemisphere with naked eye
or can see heat coming off + moons with 15x70 binos

dont expect me to correct you when ive already posted the information pls

i dont know if its still visible in S Hemisphere but it is now in N H

If it has 4 moons, that is Jupiter. I saw it last year with binocs... you can see the 4 moons and it's actually quite mesmerizing. ;)

I believe Jupiter went from East to West, more toward the Southern end of the sky. And if I remember correctly I started noticing it in September!

Actually now that I think about it, it doesn't make sense that I would be able to see Jupiters 4 moons with binocs (they're so far yet bright enough to be visible). It didn't make sense to anyone I talk to about it. Lo and behold, that's what I could see... so I didn't think anything of it other than it being Jupiter.

[princessofwands]

Further back on this thread it says look at the East from 4.30 am. But we're also informed that it's coming up from the south. Shouldn't it be visible on the southern horizon therefore?

:confused:

[the nine]

no idea how accurate it is, but i read somewhere Saturday that a major volcano in South America (near Chile?) started to show signs of eruption last week .. but this news has been non-existent due to the Iceland eruption and China quake etc. taking over.

I don;t know where i read it, was online, some News source, but my laptop kept 'dying' on me past 48 hours so i lost all my saved links etc. in major reboot!

dont want to derail the thread but I bet you are using a windows OS..
I have lost everything I have collected on my computer and stand alone hard drives since 1995 through boot failures, hard drives burning out (both internal and external), ram burning out and graphics cards corrupting..

I have just switched to linux, it quite complicated at first but the whole community is a refreshing relief..Ubuntu is nice.

just my little addition to this good thread.

peace and love :)

[baxter]

thanks for the info jesuitsdidit, am looking in to it further since the increased disasters in 2010...

[magenta_moonshadow]

If it has 4 moons, that is Jupiter. I saw it last year with binocs... you can see the 4 moons and it's actually quite mesmerizing. ;)

I believe Jupiter went from East to West, more toward the Southern end of the sky. And if I remember correctly I started noticing it in September!

Actually now that I think about it, it doesn't make sense that I would be able to see Jupiters 4 moons with binocs (they're so far yet bright enough to be visible). It didn't make sense to anyone I talk to about it. Lo and behold, that's what I could see... so I didn't think anything of it other than it being Jupiter.

Yep, Jupiter's four brightest moons - Io, Europa, Ganymede and Callisto - are easily visible in binoculars. I've seen them many times.:)

[magenta_moonshadow]

it is - read my previous posts
its been visible in S Hemisphere since Aug 09
now is visible in N Hemisphere with naked eye
or can see heat coming off + moons with 15x70 binos

dont expect me to correct you when ive already posted the information pls

i dont know if its still visible in S Hemisphere but it is now in N H

You've made loads of posts in this thread, which one was it?

If a new, bright object were really out there, the worldwide amateur astronomical community would be buzzing! I've heard nothing, so please don't expect me to get my knickers in a knot because someone out there doesn't know Jupiter when they see it...:)

[jesuitsdidit]

Where bouts in the sky can you see it???

in bournemouth atm its visible between east and ESE between 0515-0600 just above the horizon use the skychart link i posted and follow the instructions

[jesuitsdidit]

If it has 4 moons, that is Jupiter. I saw it last year with binocs... you can see the 4 moons and it's actually quite mesmerizing. ;)

I believe Jupiter went from East to West, more toward the Southern end of the sky. And if I remember correctly I started noticing it in September!

Actually now that I think about it, it doesn't make sense that I would be able to see Jupiters 4 moons with binocs (they're so far yet bright enough to be visible). It didn't make sense to anyone I talk to about it. Lo and behold, that's what I could see... so I didn't think anything of it other than it being Jupiter.

my info comes from the rabbit hole thread, highwic and the info ive found since 13 april
jupiter is 6AU from earth you'd be pushed to see its moons
nemesis is now 2.75 au away thats why u can see its moons
they are calling it jupiter on the sky-maps so ppl dont cotton on
pls read my posts and links its all there

[jesuitsdidit]

Further back on this thread it says look at the East from 4.30 am. But we're also informed that it's coming up from the south. Shouldn't it be visible on the southern horizon therefore?

:confused:

most of its 3600 yr orbit is below the ecliptic hence it was first visible in s hem
now is vis in NH but in south of UK you need to look e/ese between 0515-0600 to see it
i recommend you go to the skychart link it will show you where to look

[orderoutofchaos]

Has anyone else noticed the moon tonight, its a yellow colour it just looks weird with black cloud going across it.

[dude111]

Seems quite scary thinking about it!

[jesuitsdidit]

You've made loads of posts in this thread, which one was it?

If a new, bright object were really out there, the worldwide amateur astronomical community would be buzzing! Not if ptb were covering it up highwic reckons those in the know have been threatened and anyway its not bright bcoz it is surrounded by a methane atmosphere which is why they found it in 1983 using the IRAS infra-red telescope I've heard nothing, so please don't expect me to get my knickers in a knot because someone out there doesn't know Jupiter when they see it...:) i'm willing to accept i cd ve been had but im more than 85% convinced its real

reasons to believe it:

1 all the dumbs
2 the seedbank
3 websites like yowusa.com
4 the bible revelation ch8, kolbrin, nostradamus and other prophecies
5 the fact that 80% of all stars have a twin

if you actually looked thru the information ive posted then i reckon youd be as convinced as me
tell me which part of the information ive posted doesnt make sense to you

[jesuitsdidit]

altho u need to spend 7 days underground the point is there wont be anything left to eat on a third part of the earth acc 2 revelation 8
if theyd told us in 1983 we probably cd ve made sufficient preparations by now to store food and prepare underground shelter that the majority wd survive
now its looking like it will cause big problems

[baxter]

reasons to believe it:

1 all the dumbs
2 the seedbank
3 websites like yowusa.com
4 the bible revelation ch8, kolbrin, nostradamus and other prophecies
5 the fact that 80% of all stars have a twin

if you actually looked thru the information ive posted then i reckon youd be as convinced as me
tell me which part of the information ive posted doesnt make sense to you


Plus the Denver New World Airport...Wonder why they moved millions of tonnes of earth to build a runway hmmm :cool:

[conspicioastrum]

Yep, Jupiter's four brightest moons - Io, Europa, Ganymede and Callisto - are easily visible in binoculars. I've seen them many times.:)

Yeah I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but I think it is what it is. No need to make things up. This certainly doesn't dismiss the theory that Nemesis is near though.

[jesuitsdidit]

Yeah I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but I think it is what it is. No need to make things up. This certainly doesn't dismiss the theory that Nemesis is near though.

what part of the information ive posted doesnt convince you?

[venomous]

We're on the verge of something big happening. 78% of Americans no longer trust the government, and drug cartel violence is spilling over into our border states. Most Americans are finding out that Barry Soteoro isn't even an American citizen. Not to mention, ammo shortages everywhere. Gas prices rising again. Two wars with no end in sight. People still being held down in Gitmo without any legal recourse at all. A lot of people (myself included) are still pissed off about the bankster bailout, and now we're expected to pay for another entitlement, Obamacare. Folks are finally waking the hell up and getting mad.

The government isn't going to hand the keys of the kingdom back to the people without a fight though. They're probably going to nuke several cities, and try to blame it on those of us who listen to Alex Jones and support Ron Paulism. Then, they'll probably declare martial law and have foreign troops and mercenaries try to police the people, since most American soldiers will ignore orders to fire on other Americans or simply go AWOL.

It will be an out and out bad deal. But I definitely look at it from the Jeffersonian mindset. It's healthy for a our republic to let patriot and tyrant battle it out for political dominion, every forty or fifty years. It keeps us frosty.

[jesuitsdidit]

highwic 4:30 this morning saw Wormwood again after about 2 months of no see, big and bright on the eastern horizon @ about 3 AU, if Jupiter was in that direction it would be @ 6 AU = would appear very small (6 days ago)

http://www.youtube.com/user/highwic

[the nine]

this is all the making of the collective ego mind which we all generate as one, without realising.
open your conscious mind to this fear based reality form we call the universe, and remember love, unconditional perfect love..
There is no fear in reality, we are condensing the energy of "what if..???" doubt and folding it into dimensions..in which fear based form can be created in all of its different possibilities..and running with it, because we feel the guilt of a thousands lifetimes of unreal nightmares created by the collective ego mind!

forgive everything which requires a reaction of any sort and let the spirit of GOD(not any religious GOD) into your mind to guide you back home to love.

then we can awake as one, perfect again, in union in the perfect realm in which we sleep and dream this fleeting nightmare of duality and which all of us will eventually return at the end of the universe.

fear begets fear, which validates the 'dream'-'form' realm..the collective ego mind (which is cleaver and cunning) requires your (our or mine =we) belief to survive..for when the divided one (us, me, we = one) stops believing (validating) the game is up (for the collective ego, ones doubt)and we go back to perfect love..:)

and like the fairy tale promises.. they(*) all lived happily ever after :)



*they = us = me + you + everyone as one perfect mind, re-AWAKE..:)
and the physical world we think we care so much about never existed, but for the tiniest fleeting moment of doubt of perfect love.

peace and love my brothers and sisters, for we are one :)

[bluehorseman]

Again in all my mixed up beliefs :D I think it might be the 2012 event thing .

I am never able to make up my mind about this 2012 , but situations like volcanic eruptions , earthquakes , Tsunamis , are indeed escualting .

I am not trying to say thet Haarp does not exist , I am more than sure it does .

But to be able to focus all that energy into one eruption or earthquake , with out affecting the whole world does seem out of our ability at the moment .

I do think that man can induce eruptions man made , I do think man can make earthquakes , but the intensity and precision needed to keep it local , is what makes me think we do not yet have that ability with out making it muck the world entirely .

In time we might be able to , it is all so ------------ hard to take in at the end of the day , not because it is impossible , but because there is just so much placed upon man makin these things happen .

surely it takes our focus away from the events that will esculate up to 2012 ?:)

Agreed. After lookiing into the info jesuitsdidit has posted here I must admit my opinion has swayed a bit.

Is is haarp? Is it Nibiru? Is it a combination of both? I don't know now....

[magenta_moonshadow]

highwic 4:30 this morning saw Wormwood again after about 2 months of no see, big and bright on the eastern horizon @ about 3 AU, if Jupiter was in that direction it would be @ 6 AU = would appear very small (6 days ago)

Rubbish! Highwic is talking out of his bum! He knows nothing of astronomy, Jupiter is the largest planet in the solar system, it's very bright! (Does he even know what an 'AU' is, because using the term in the above context makes no sense at all!)

It's bright, got four moons, and is currently rising in the east early in the pre-dawn sky...it's Jupiter! If you look at it through a fairly powerful telescope, you'll see the moons and the coloured cloud bands:

http://www.noao.edu/outreach/aop/observers/jupmoon4.gif

Yet you're 85% convinced that it's a conspiracy and that Jupiter has somehow disappeared, and been replaced by Nibiru / Nemesis / Planet X / Wormwood, and tptb are trying to keep it from us...Holy Kenobi, give me strength! You crack me up, you really do! :D

Some say that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck...in your mate highwic's case, oh no, it would be an Intergalactic Space Duck! Tell him to keep an eye out for the Great Prophet Zarquon whilst he's at it, and I've got some Magic Beans for sale if he's interested!:D

[jesuitsdidit]

one thought crossing my mind is

cd the volanic ash story be their way of preventing us from seeing it?
i dont know if they cd do it but they cd seal off the area say to 50 miles, remove all humans
then pump some dust into the atmosphere
then spray at night some dust
maybe the haze is bluebeam
they can modify the weather so you have SE winds from iceland
it wd b interesting to hear from some locals in iceland exactly wots going on
but i find the co-incidence interesting
that within 36 hours that theres a huge surge of acceptance of the Planet X story on the inet we get this

if they do have this capability and assuming the PX story is real then perhaps this counter-measure has been in place for years
and especially as its only on the horizon for 45 mins per day in NH - the horizon being harder to view as u r looking thru the earths atmosphere at an angle and also where early morning mist is more common obscuring horizon views

it wd b good to get those outside the ash haze area (europe atm) to start viewing n get some feed back
i can give anyone in the world directions to find it if they give me their location from the skychart link
if i get time later ill post directions for the major cities of world and this may cover most people
tbc

[magenta_moonshadow]

one thought crossing my mind is

cd the volanic ash story be their way of preventing us from seeing it?
i dont know if they cd do it but they cd seal off the area say to 50 miles, remove all humans
then pump some dust into the atmosphere
then spray at night some dust
maybe the haze is bluebeam
they can modify the weather so you have SE winds from iceland
it wd b interesting to hear from some locals in iceland exactly wots going on
but i find the co-incidence interesting
that within 36 hours that theres a huge surge of acceptance of the Planet X story on the inet we get this

if they do have this capability and assuming the PX story is real then perhaps this counter-measure has been in place for years
and especially as its only on the horizon for 45 mins per day in NH - the horizon being harder to view as u r looking thru the earths atmosphere at an angle and also where early morning mist is more common obscuring horizon views

it wd b good to get those outside the ash haze area (europe atm) to start viewing n get some feed back
i can give anyone in the world directions to find it if they give me their location from skychart.skytonight.com
if i get time later ill post directions for the major cities of world and this may cover most people
tbc

How can it be both 'big and bright', and also 'be hidden by tptb with ash from the volcano'? (Being open-minded is one thing, but you've got to make sure your brain doesn't drop out in the process!)

You've also conveniently ignored the points in my previous post... Your mate is looking at Jupiter, for Pete's sake!

[jesuitsdidit]

^
it seems everywhere in NH atm gets a view between 5-6am atm then daylight makes viewing difficult as only seen at night altho i saw a vid which claimed to be it during day in australia

its actually there all day in NH but obscured by daylight - moves from eastern horizon at 5 am to southern sky climbing by about 10am then presumably to western sky by 3pm

[yabs]

ok keep you r hair on
The planet X thing by Lucas is one of the more creib;e conspiracies
I guess you are a reptilain aliens from outer space hollow earth, moon matrix guy?

[jesuitsdidit]

15x70 binos cost about $70

[jesuitsdidit]

Rubbish! Highwic is talking out of his bum! He knows nothing of astronomy, Jupiter is the largest planet in the solar system, it's very bright! (Does he even know what an 'AU' is, because using the term in the above context makes no sense at all!)

It's bright, got four moons, and is currently rising in the east early in the pre-dawn sky...it's Jupiter! If you look at it through a fairly powerful telescope, you'll see the moons and the coloured cloud bands:

http://www.noao.edu/outreach/aop/observers/jupmoon4.gif

Yet you're 85% convinced that it's a conspiracy and that Jupiter has somehow disappeared, and been replaced by Nibiru / Nemesis / Planet X / Wormwood, and tptb are trying to keep it from us...Holy Kenobi, give me strength! You crack me up, you really do! :D

Some say that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck...in your mate highwic's case, oh no, it would be an Intergalactic Space Duck! Tell him to keep an eye out for the Great Prophet Zarquon whilst he's at it, and I've got some Magic Beans for sale if he's interested!:D

well if it is Jupiter i dont know why hes saying its nibiru and claiming he first saw it last august in IR now viewing with binos unless hes disinfo
all i can say is if its real it, and the stories about what itll do r real, then its logical that ptb wd hide it from us and part of doing that is to hav a disinfo structure in place for when ppl start seeing it - i know u can put the same argument to any conspiracy so that proves nothing but consider if its real its HUGE -- bigger than any previous story by far, the consequences will be massive it cd even be an ELE
anyway even if he is disinfo, that wont alter my current view, infact, only re-inforce it, as why wd they go to so much trouble if it was nothing?

i havent said im 100% convinced and probably wont be until ive seen it and ruled out all other possibilities but it deserves our immediate attention bcoz if the stories r correct, its very close and will be severely devastating - its also called The Destroyer by the ancients - why?

as and when i have more relevant info i will post it but all i can say is im taking it v seriously

[jesuitsdidit]

How can it be both 'big and bright', and also 'be hidden by tptb with ash from the volcano'? (Being open-minded is one thing, but you've got to make sure your brain doesn't drop out in the process!)

You've also conveniently ignored the points in my previous post... Your mate is looking at Jupiter, for Pete's sake!

where did i say its big and bright?
my opinion based on highwic's info is its visible to the naked eye / binos now in NH
if its only just become visible then its not gonna be big n bright YET is it mr astronomer?

it cd be hidden by the ash bcoz the haze that i see in UK is obscuring night vision and especially to those objects on or near the horizon

[magenta_moonshadow]

it seems everywhere in NH atm gets a view between 5-6am atm

Yep, that's Jupiter, very low in the East.

15x70 binos cost about $70 Well, even 8x30's will show the moons of Jupiter. 10x50's are a general all-rounder size, and are easier to hold than the larger 15x70's, etc, if you don't have a tripod. Personally I have 8x30's, 10x50's, and a 6 inch (15cm) rich-field reflector telescope. :)

[jesuitsdidit]

but consider if its real its HUGE -- bigger than any previous story by far, the consequences will be massive it cd even be an ELE


and i AM convinced its real
the only question is when does it arrive

[magenta_moonshadow]

where did i say its big and bright?
my opinion based on highwic's info is its visible to the naked eye / binos now in NH if its only just become visible then its not gonna be big n bright YET is it mr astronomer?

it cd be hidden by the ash bcoz the haze that i see in UK is obscuring night vision and especially to those objects on or near the horizon

I was quoting highwic: highwic 4:30 this morning saw Wormwood again after about 2 months of no see, big and bright on the eastern horizon

And it's MISS Astronomer, btw!:D...it's been my hobby since I was 11, more than 30 years ago! :)

[magenta_moonshadow]

and i AM convinced its real
the only question is when does it arrive

Don't hold your breath too long, eh?:D

[jesuitsdidit]

Yep, that's Jupiter, very low in the East.



the info i have is this
its an unlit brown dwarf twin of our sun
it has a smouldering methane atmosphere (at 2000deg celsius acc to highwic)
it is the size of jupiter but 1/17 the mass of the sun and is essentially a large iron ball and has up to 34 bodies orbiting it - a mini-constellation
it was formed at the same time as the sun - as 80% of stars have a twin this is highly likely
i am convinced it exists, im not convinced YET that its arrival is imminent but i am taking that possibility v seriously
bcoz it is unlit it was only visible in infra-red when first spotted in 1983
if you view the earliest 9 videos of nibirurr yt channel you will see it

[the apprentice]

Why doesn't someone just ask NASA if there is something on the hoizon, there must be someone else out there with good gear that could say if there is something, so lets say that if there is no real evidence from the millions of eyes looking up, its simply not there.

[jesuitsdidit]

bcoz it is unlit it was only visible in infra-red when first spotted in 1983
if you view the earliest 9 videos of nibirurr yt channel you will see it

and if you look around you will find the co-ordinates of where to find it in google sky its at ra 9 47 59 dec 13 16 27

[the apprentice]

bcoz it is unlit it was only visible in infra-red when first spotted in 1983
if you view the earliest 9 videos of nibirurr yt channel you will see it

I'm not an astronomer so please be kind with your answers to my questions :)

How on earth could it not be visible if the sun is shining upon it, or a collection of other suns is shining upon it also, it is a solid object right so it must be visible when light shines on it and its moons.

Are the moons hidden behind it or following it or something like that.

I guess we will see something by the naked eye if it is there eventually, and a few fireworks if it hits other planetary bodies, like the LS 9's on jupiter.

[yabs]

exactly
Something is going on to accou nt for global warming weather changes
and all the erathquakes etc
question is what and will be apocalyptic and if so when

[zephiloyd]

Why doesn't someone just ask NASA if there is something on the hoizon, there must be someone else out there with good gear that could say if there is something, so lets say that if there is no real evidence from the millions of eyes looking up, its simply not there.

NASA are part of the cover up operation, no point asking them. You can't see it because it is only visible through infra red viewing equipment, which I gather, is expensive

[jesuitsdidit]

Rubbish! Highwic is talking out of his bum! He knows nothing of astronomy, Jupiter is the largest planet in the solar system, it's very bright! (Does he even know what an 'AU' is, because using the term in the above context makes no sense at all!)



look im not saying hes right n im not saying u r right
i think wot hes saying here assuming hes genuine, is
wot can be seen and is being called jupiter doesnt account for its size bcoz jupiter @ 6 au wd appear quite small whereas wot can b seen (given that jupiter and nemesis r about the same size) gives it an au of about 2.75

[magenta_moonshadow]

I'm not an astronomer so please be kind with your answers to my questions :)

How on earth could it not be visible if the sun is shining upon it, or a collection of other suns is shining upon it also, it is a solid object right so it must be visible when light shines on it and its moons.

Are the moons hidden behind it or following it or something like that.

I guess we will see something by the naked eye if it is there eventually, and a few fireworks if it hits other planetary bodies, like the LS 9's on jupiter.

D'you mean the 'string of pearls' Comet Shoemaker / Levy 9 impacts from July '94? (SL9, not LS9). Now that was something! I saw Jupiter with my telescope in the days following the impacts, it looked as if it had two black eyes! LOL!

Btw, for an interactive skymap, use this:

http://www.heavens-above.com/skychart.aspx?SL=1&SN=1&lat=0&lng=0&loc=Unspecified&alt=0&tz=CET

Put in the time as (say) 5.45(am). What do you get on the eastern horizon...is it Nibiru, Planet X, Nemesis, Wormwood...? Nope, it's Jupiter!:)

[the apprentice]

NASA are part of the cover up operation, no point asking them. You can't see it because it is only visible through infra red viewing equipment, which I gather, is expensive

But won't it become visible once its in range of our suns energy, its got to show itself sooner or later if its a solid object.

If its supposed to be moving at 600 miles per day or whatever it will eventually be seen conventially surely.

Once as people do see it, the whole infastructure is going to burn in a very short time, less than 24 hours I would say judging what I know about human nature, its going to be seen much much earlier than that.

[jesuitsdidit]

i must admit i do hold his info in question
my gut feeling is if it was first spotted by Pioneer in 1982 and confirmed by IRAS in 1983, it wd ve been a long way out at that point which makes me question its arrival this year

this shd help-

see Nibiru on world cup logo? by zephiloyd

[jesuitsdidit]

But won't it become visible once its in range of our suns energy, its got to show itself sooner or later if its a solid object.

If its supposed to be moving at 600 miles per day or whatever it will eventually be seen conventially surely.

Once as people do see it, the whole infastructure is going to burn in a very short time, less than 24 hours I would say judging what I know about human nature, its going to be seen much much earlier than that.

yes it will eventually be close enough to reflect the suns light and be visible to the eye the question is where is it now?

[the apprentice]

D'you mean the 'string of pearls' Comet Shoemaker / Levy 9 impacts from July '94? (SL9, not LS9). Now that was something! I saw Jupiter with my telescope in the days following the impacts, it looked as if it had two black eyes! LOL!

Btw, for an interactive skymap, use this:

http://www.heavens-above.com/skychart.aspx?SL=1&SN=1&lat=0&lng=0&loc=Unspecified&alt=0&tz=CET

Put in the time as (say) 5.45(am). What do you get on the eastern horizon...is it Nibiru, Planet X, Nemesis, Wormwood...? Nope, it's Jupiter!:)

Yes sorry SL9.

Here's my chance to ask again to all the astronomer types on here again.

In the documentary/lecture by Edmind Marriage, he mentions and shows a supposed long rage IR image of a commet he says is going to be here or very close in 2016, any answers, ideas, anyone ???

[jesuitsdidit]

Evidence for Planet X - Wormwood on Coast to Coast AM (2/4)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptucs-qKsMk&feature=related

Third hour guest, author Gilbert Eriksen talked about scientific evidence for Planet X's return. On an approximately 3,600-year elliptical orbit, he argued that the alleged rogue body is not actually a planet but rather a chunk of the sun that broke off during the formation of our solar system. He suggested that NASA is covering up Planet X or Wormwood's existence, and has been tracking it as far back as 1982.

[magenta_moonshadow]

look im not saying hes right n im not saying u r right
i think wot hes saying here assuming hes genuine, is
wot can be seen and is being called jupiter doesnt account for its size bcoz jupiter @ 6 au wd appear quite small whereas wot can b seen (given that jupiter and nemesis r about the same size) gives it an au of about 2.75

This is what I don't understand - does he even know what an AU is?

AU stands for Astronomical Unit - it's a unit of measurement, one AU being approximately 93 Million miles, the mean distance between the earth and the sun. Jupiter is HUGE, having roughly 2.5 times the mass of all the other planets in the solar system combined, with a volume of more than 1300 earths! It's not a piddling little dustball!

And how would he know what the size of 'Nemesis' is? Who measured it? I could claim to have an invisible pink dragon in my garden shed - would you believe me?:)

[zephiloyd]

But won't it become visible once its in range of our suns energy, its got to show itself sooner or later if its a solid object.

If its supposed to be moving at 600 miles per day or whatever it will eventually be seen conventially surely.

Once as people do see it, the whole infastructure is going to burn in a very short time, less than 24 hours I would say judging what I know about human nature, its going to be seen much much earlier than that.

yes it will become visible to the naked eye at some point.

I am very mindful of highwic's contribution and belief that it is coming very soon. However, looking at everything else going on it does not seem to make sense. Clearly the governments know when it is here, and from their activity, it does not feel like its in August. If more people were independently agreeing on August then, I might feel different, but I am thinking May 2011. But then again, a lot can happen in a few months.

[magenta_moonshadow]

Yes sorry SL9.

Here's my chance to ask again to all the astronomer types on here again.

In the documentary/lecture by Edmind Marriage, he mentions and shows a supposed long rage IR image of a commet he says is going to be here or very close in 2016, any answers, ideas, anyone ???

The problem with these objects (there's quite a few out there) is that the preliminary orbital computations are very rough - it's only when they get closer that more precise calculations are possible. What can look like a bullseye at first (OMG, we're doomed! Shall I cancel the milk?) can prove to be a near miss of several million miles 10 years later! (Phew!:D ) It doesn't stop people scaremongering, though.

[the apprentice]

Evidence for Planet X - Wormwood on Coast to Coast AM (2/4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptucs-qKsMk&feature=related

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptucs-qKsMk&feature=related

Third hour guest, author Gilbert Eriksen talked about scientific evidence for Planet X's return. On an approximately 3,600-year elliptical orbit, he argued that the alleged rogue body is not actually a planet but rather a chunk of the sun that broke off during the formation of our solar system. He suggested that NASA is covering up Planet X or Wormwood's existence, and has been tracking it as far back as 1982.

If the object in question is indeed a section of our original sun it should have the same magnatic properties, so why hasn't it been drawn back into and inside the sun afterwards.

I'm sure there are hundreds of near misses that are on their way towards us and NASA will keep them quiet for the good will of the people, so as not to upset things....This is a fact because we see video evidence of planetary bodies that were never foretold, some just recently passing through, some veru bright indeed, I know people who have seen these, some many years ago.

[yabs]

of all the things talked about this makeds most sense imho
There are gapos in fossil record, cyclic ice ages, cyclic magnetic shifts
There has to be an explantion for this and I think this could be it

[jesuitsdidit]

we know it has a 3600yr orbit
stf if we know the size of its orbit we can work out its speed and then estimate arrival time

[jesuitsdidit]

yes it will become visible to the naked eye at some point.

I am very mindful of highwic's contribution and belief that it is coming very soon. However, looking at everything else going on it does not seem to make sense. Clearly the governments know when it is here, and from their activity, it does not feel like its in August. If more people were independently agreeing on August then, I might feel different, but I am thinking May 2011. But then again, a lot can happen in a few months.

the theory is it started tugging neptune's orbit in 1821
weve seen increase in meteorites, earthquakes and strange weather - all attributable to a close large object

we have all the biblical/ancient text references
we have the dumbs, seed bank, books into mines,

im convinced its there
my only question is when does it arrive

if it was first confirmed by IR in 1983 that shd give us some indication of its position then (assuming its roughly the size of jupiter which most seem to think it is)
all we then need is the size of its orbit and we can work out arrival time
my gut tells me its orbit (total distance travelled in 3600 yrs) is 300 - 1000 AU but that cd be wrong and is anyway too broad to give an accurate indication
ive suggested ppl contact patrick moore for help
brian cox n lord rees wd b on the inside imo hence unreliable
i cant do everything if i had time i would im hoping someone else will pick this up

[yabs]

if you do not even know for sure it exists how can you KNOWits has an orbit of 3600 years?
Look its a good theory but until we see it there is still no EVIDENCE it exists only conjecture

[jesuitsdidit]

in Revelation 8 it says the waters were made bitter hence the name wormwood (a bitter herb)
this cd presumably be caused by the sulphur that'll be released by large seismic activity

[yabs]

lets not bring the bible into this just yet please
You can interperet a lot of things in the bible to mean a lot of things

[zephiloyd]

we know it has a 3600yr orbit
stf if we know the size of its orbit we can work out its speed and then estimate arrival time

not quite

read this: 6500 year orbit, but passes every 2,148 years?

http://churchofcriticalthinking.org/planetx.html

we can estimate time of arrival if the velocity is constant, but its proximity to other heavenly bodies and other factors can alter the velocity!

[the apprentice]

the theory is it started tugging neptune's orbit in 1821
weve seen increase in meteorites, earthquakes and strange weather - all attributable to a close large object

we have all the biblical/ancient text references
we have the dumbs, seed bank, books into mines,

im convinced its there
my only question is when does it arrive

if it was first confirmed by IR in 1983 that shd give us some indication of its position then (assuming its roughly the size of jupiter which most seem to think it is)
all we then need is the size of its orbit and we can work out arrival time
my gut tells me its orbit (total distance travelled in 3600 yrs) is 300 - 1000 AU but that cd be wrong and is anyway too broad to give an accurate indication
ive suggested ppl contact patrick moore for help
brian cox n lord rees wd b on the inside imo hence unreliable
i cant do everything if i had time i would im hoping someone else will pick this up

When the first mention of this was published in the MSM and then suddently dissapeared again, this alone would get people thinking, a single sublim can be very powerful indeed, especially to those who study in that field, Frankfurt maybe.

I used to know a young man who was the brother of an aquaintence of mine who was heavily into astronomy, he had the high quality tellescope and all sorts of information as to what was out there, I dn't know if he was a member of a few forums etc...I guess he would have been and then that's as far as it got I'm afraid, he died in a car crash in very unusual circumstances on a straight piece of road for no apparent reason, corroners verdict was unknow and the family won't speak about it today, I have asked but nothing comes back.

Patrick Geryl was thought to be a nut when he first suggested that we were in an expanding universe until he was proven right, or is that wrong also, there are so many dissinfo agents out there, some for prankability, some for pleasure in the wierdo zone and I'm sure plenty to halt certain processes, so the best we can do is glean all we know to be common scense and carry on listening, that they cannot stop us from doing.

Patrick Moore on the other hand is or was BBC so could he be a reliable advisory who knows anything worth sharing or would he do so given the right moment, he is in his latter days now and has written some 70 books on the subject but do any of them have mention of said Nibiru ?.

If he has used and viewed apparatus such as IR was he also kept in the dark of such heavely bodies.

So many obvious questions that no one is asking here.

[jesuitsdidit]

re jupiter being wormwood
it shd be relatively easy for a seasoned astronomer to tell
if highwic has got this wrong we have to ask why

[yabs]

yes I just cannot believe its presence has not been announced more a whisteblower if it does indeed exist
As its close now surely somone could see it clearly ie without confusion as to another planet ect
I find it hard enough to find Orion let alone anything else but there must be tonnes of non establishmnet amateurs or even non amateurs who could vouch for it?

[the apprentice]

in Revelation 8 it says the waters were made bitter hence the name wormwood (a bitter herb)
this cd presumably be caused by the sulphur that'll be released by large seismic activity

I believe that this collates to the era of global warming and huge alge growth and the oceans laying down the oil which we are now using, it is thought that the acid content of the shallowers seas which once habitted the planet were much to concentrated to assist life as we know it... Hence the bitter water/Wormwood, are we not seeing this today in the many inland seas and lakes where flamingo fly, these are the types of evindences that are proven.

The recent volcanic activity will have long tern effects for years to come, further cooling things down, and what goes up has eventually to come down, this is why I LOL at the organic movement... Just imagine all the pollution that we have realesed into the atmosphere over the last 100 years, where has it gone, to earth of course, so nothing will ever be truly organic until this pollution ceases, and boy is it some bulk of pollution, it will definately effect things in the long term.

The planet is a dirty pill to swallow and getting far worse every time we walk on childerick.

[jesuitsdidit]

not quite

read this: 6500 year orbit, but passes every 2,148 years?

http://churchofcriticalthinking.org/planetx.html

we can estimate time of arrival if the velocity is constant, but its proximity to other heavenly bodies and other factors can alter the velocity!

good info zeph
but it doesnt tell us closest distance to earth or time of passing?

[jesuitsdidit]

I believe that this collates to the era of global warming and huge alge growth and the oceans laying down the oil which we are now using, it is thought that the acid content of the shallowers seas which once habitted the planet were much to concentrated to assist life as we know it... Hence the bitter water/Wormwood, are we not seeing this today in the many inland seas and lakes where flamingo fly, these are the types of evindences that are proven.

The recent volcanic activity will have long tern effects for years to come, further cooling things down, and what goes up has eventually to come down, this is why I LOL at the organic movement... Just imagine all the pollution that we have realesed into the atmosphere over the last 100 years, where has it gone, to earth of course, so nothing will ever be truly organic until this pollution ceases, and boy is it some bulk of pollution, it will definately effect things in the long term.

The planet is a dirty pill to swallow and getting far worse every time we walk on childerick.

well we r due to enter an ice-age so that will also account for some climate change but thats an easily prepared-for event unlike the passing of PX

[the apprentice]

well we r due to enter an ice-age so that will also account for some climate change but thats an easily prepared-for event unlike the passing of PX

Again if you study what Marriage is saying this kind of thing has happened in the past and the people of their day did prepare and make shelters which we are now finding on a regular basis and they did survive on and near the surface and we also find huge city complexes on the higher ground, IE Denver, these ancients must have known something hence being in such places, rather than using the lower fertile soils in and around the coastal regions.

Some of the older modernish shelters made decades ago are now being abandoned for a more medieval type structures nearer the earths surface as far as I can gather, not like the very deepest DUMBS of old, deep is good against human intervention and known weaponry, but deep may not be so good against planetary movements many times greater than the atomic age, we have now seen inside some of these older DUMBS on the web, now that they are leaving them.

If I was a sceptic I would opt for the longevity of historical evindence like Marriage does, his explanations make more scense to me than hollow earth and moon movie projectionists, something edible and visible must be the order of the day or we will simply go around in circles like a shoal of sardines and the monkey stuck fast with a fist full of nuts :D

[magenta_moonshadow]

we know it has a 3600yr orbit
stf if we know the size of its orbit we can work out its speed and then estimate arrival time

Who's 'we'? If you're basing your theory on an ancient prophecy or stuff involving pre-historic events, like floods, which may (or may not) have been caused by the passing of such a planet, and then extrapolating this so-called arbitrary 'data' to a known object (like Jupiter, or some other body), then no wonder there's so much confusion!

You have to make several observations of an object, over a period of time, to be able to determine its size, orbit and speed.

As for NASA, etc, hushing things up - there's been several 'hit / near-miss' stories announced by NASA in the MSM in recent years.

And there's a whole army of amateur astronomers (who have no affiliation with NASA or any other space agency), with powerful high-tech pieces of kit, who do serious work with telescopes as powerful as those used by many professional observatories, and who make valuable contributions to our knowledge of what's 'out there'... they would have no hesitation in bringing any information into the public domain...imagine the kudos for 'breaking' a story like that! :D

[jesuitsdidit]

Who's 'we'? If you're basing your theory on an ancient prophecy or stuff involving pre-historic events, like floods, which may (or may not) have been caused by the passing of such a planet, and then extrapolating this so-called arbitrary 'data' to a known object (like Jupiter, or some other body), then no wonder there's so much confusion!

You have to make several observations of an object, over a period of time, to be able to determine its size, orbit and speed.

As for NASA, etc, hushing things up - there's been several 'hit / near-miss' stories announced by NASA in the MSM in recent years.

And there's a whole army of amateur astronomers (who have no affiliation with NASA or any other space agency), with powerful high-tech pieces of kit, who do serious work with telescopes as powerful as those used by many professional observatories, and who make valuable contributions to our knowledge of what's 'out there'... they would have no hesitation in bringing any information into the public domain...imagine the kudos for 'breaking' a story like that! :D

well the south pole telescope isnt a visual telescope is it
and amateur astronomers dont have kit like that do they?

[magenta_moonshadow]

well the south pole telescope isnt a visual telescope is it
and amateur astronomers dont have kit like that do they?

Many amateur astronomers specialise in certain fields of observation, and have solar telescopes, radio telescopes, etc. The advances in technology and computerisation have dramatically widened the horizons. Take a look through the small ads of the astronomical press and see the stuff that can be bought - you'd be surprised the sort of work being done these days. :)

[yabs]

no but you said it should be visible with the naked eye
Its a really good theory but until we see reliable pictures as evidence its still just theory
so please do not say it has a 3600 year orbit as we do not even know if it exists

[yabs]

woo
can someone see if they get the same thing as me with the-rabbitts-hole wevsite?
I now get islam group hackers with a messqge from islam
looks likes its being attacked big time

[con_dios]

woo
can someone see if they get the same thing as me with the-rabbitts-hole wevsite?
I now get islam group hackers with a messqge from islam
looks likes its being attacked big time
Yes Yabs I get that crap also.
I guess the site has been hacked.
You can get the information still by going to http://www.the-rabbits-hole.com/presentation/pages/index.htm
I'm now going to rip the site to my hard drive.
Thanks for the tip.

[yabs]

so is kind of prrof that its saying something tptb do not want us to hear?

[dryadlover]

so is kind of prrof that its saying something tptb do not want us to hear?

The answer is very obvious, is it not? :)

[jesuitsdidit]

try this

Is Nibiru's Approach Path Hidden in the Avebury Crop Circle.flv

Is Nibiru&#39;s Approach Path Hidden in the Avebury Crop Circle.flv - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZOtW_NSbA

[jesuitsdidit]

Many amateur astronomers specialise in certain fields of observation, and have solar telescopes, radio telescopes, etc. The advances in technology and computerisation have dramatically widened the horizons. Take a look through the small ads of the astronomical press and see the stuff that can be bought - you'd be surprised the sort of work being done these days. :)

im trying to buy a 2nd hand t'scope now..

[jesuitsdidit]

dont know about the annunaki stuff but the rest is good
nibiru btw is one of nemesis's planets

3600 year orbit cycle of Planet X Nibiru

3600 year orbit cycle of Planet X Nibiru - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxAvPFw1E2w&feature=related

[yabs]

yes I think that is proof
especially the islam connection
still trying to divide and concur with us versus the islamists
Did Lucas also say his phone was tapped etc etc
I have been thinking about this a lot and this cyclic cleansing of the planet
makes sense. Everythinh moves in cycles.
More evidence to this is this
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/taylor/taylor121808.html

this a very good stcok market analyst
http://209.167.242.200/article-14073.htm

loook at what he predicts
stock market to near zero meaning the market is telling us something catastrophic is going to happen

he says terrifying news will spread what those events will be we do not know
well maybe we do

[the apprentice]

I have read the the ancients mapped the stars by lying in shallow pits looking up at the stars, they also had a device that made a grid above them which they fixed upon and made charts from memory afterwards.

We know this kind of mind control already exists because there are people who can fairly accurately draw the night horizons of a city by momentary viewing it.

These place were more than likely situated on energy lays and being within the earth and in line of these energy sources seperated them from what was happeing above, but don't quote me on that one, just ne thinking out loud :)

[the apprentice]

dont know about the annunaki stuff but the rest is good
nibiru btw is one of nemesis's planets

3600 year orbit cycle of Planet X Nibiru

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxAvPFw1E2w&feature=related

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxAvPFw1E2w&feature=related

A few more observations if I may, in the clip here it shows a couple of frames of newspapers, in one the author was called O Toole, could he have been working for the church as the heading signifies and the music is orientated to the church also, just a few obs.

[yabs]

hang on if this 3600 year orbit was correct than how come there is no record of babylon falling around 1600 years ago?

[magenta_moonshadow]

im trying to buy a 2nd hand t'scope now..

JDI, just sent you a PM... :)

[jesuitsdidit]

ive heard its gravity can pull earth over on its side
this wd explain antarctica having had animals
and siberia bearing tropical plants
and mammoths being frozen with tropical plants in their stomach

[jesuitsdidit]

and

Planet X: Right To Know

Planet X: Right To Know - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Y6qpy69ns&feature=related

[the apprentice]

ive heard its gravity can pull earth over on its side
this wd explain antarctica having had animals
and siberia bearing tropical plants
and mammoths being frozen with tropical plants in their stomach

I believe you read correctly, Geryl and quite a few others say the same, if such an entity is a giant metal body it will have many more times the tidal pull than the moon does, this alone in close orbit would do the job as they say without comming into contact with any planet, and metal bodies normally have smaller children tagging along.

If the geologists are correct and the southern ice cap is only around 4000 years old we already have our answer, the P R map and many other known bodies of evidence are simply too good to ignore.

I would safely say once anything comes into view and the people see it, the ellite are in for a very rough time ahead, wouldn't it be ironic if their safe heaven became their jail :D

[tonytibs]

How are we supposed to verify whether this kind of information, and its sources, are even legitimate? Surely not because someone simply says so.

And apon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. (Jesus the christ) oooooo grasssssssss;)

[totalrecall]

Swerdlows site... Im not a big fan of his.

Me neither.

[tonytibs]

How are we supposed to verify whether this kind of information, and its sources, are even legitimate? Surely not because someone simply says so.

And apon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. (Jesus the christ) oooooo grasssssssss;)

[con_dios]

woo
can someone see if they get the same thing as me with the-rabbitts-hole wevsite?
I now get islam group hackers with a messqge from islam
looks likes its being attacked big time
The other website is gone now, the one with all the detailed information.
Someone does not want us to see this.

[jesuitsdidit]

try this

Is Nibiru's Approach Path Hidden in the Avebury Crop Circle.flv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZOtW_NSbA

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZOtW_NSbA

actually the coordinates in google sky are

13:47:21, 08:32:54

make sure u hav infra red to the max

[jesuitsdidit]

World Renowned Physicist on Earth Changes

World Renowned Physicist on Earth Changes - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrAtHHMT8Fc&playnext_from=TL&videos=jDdYl5WehTM

[jesuitsdidit]

^ there r 2 parts

[jesuitsdidit]

actually the coordinates in google sky are

13:47:21, 08:32:54

make sure u hav infra red to the max

13 50 23, -9 6 7.5 is closer

i forgot the minus oops.

if u dont see it immediately zoom out till u see the black box

[jesuitsdidit]

13 50 23, -9 6 7.5 is closer

i forgot the minus oops.

if u dont see it immediately zoom out till u see the black box

presumably the minus means its below the ecliptic? anyone.

[jesuitsdidit]

13 50 23, -9 6 7.5 is closer

i forgot the minus oops.

if u dont see it immediately zoom out till u see the black box

when u enter the digits in search box do it like this

13:50:23, -09:06:7.5

[yabs]

what oh my god
its a great site and forum
I just listened to him interviewed and I trust him
I would not think he would do this on purpose to make people think heh
it really is sensitive stuff so yes people do not want us to see it
unless he just has nturaol enemies within the truth movement
ie someone like alex jones does not want to lose viewers, who knows

[yabs]

why would they allow it to be in google sky?

[baxter]

where is the IR option?

[yabs]

if you go to that area they have blanked it out
now i'm really freaking out

[jesuitsdidit]

where is the IR option?

top right

[jesuitsdidit]

^ use google sky http://www.google.com/sky/

[is this reality]

This thread is very captivating, my thanks to the OP.

Just had a look at the coordinates and yes it's blacked out:confused:

Speculation?

[baxter]

^ use google sky http://www.google.com/sky/

That explains it. I was using the Google Earth Sky program.

Dont see anything in particular from the max zoom though

Oh and there is no black out on Google Earth program

[is this reality]

Not to derail this excellent thread but there's some good discussions going on, on the 2012forum here:- http://2012forum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=45

[jesuitsdidit]

JDI, just sent you a PM... :)

how much is an IR scope?

[jesuitsdidit]

it looks like its in Virgo

on a line between Spica and ngc5339 its about 1/6th along from the ngc end

[jesuitsdidit]

it looks like its in Virgo

on a line between Spica and ngc5339 its about 1/6th along from the ngc end

thats where it is
doesnt mean you'll see it
esp not if its still only vis in IR

the good news is virgo is visible all night from 9pm to 5 am moving from the eastern sky to the western (in all of N Hemi i think) certainly in UK

[jesuitsdidit]

thats where it is
doesnt mean you'll see it
esp not if its still only vis in IR

the good news is virgo is visible all night from 9pm to 5 am moving from the eastern sky to the western (in all of N Hemi i think) certainly in UK

this wd mean highwic's info is incorrect

[cleopatraxxx]

and,o0, medvedev translates to(fasten seat belts):bear-man
:eek:

Personally I totally disagree with that translation.
Why you write that Medvedev translates bear-man?????
Medvedh=Bear
Medvezhii= Bear's
Because Medvedev is a surname it applies to a person and because of that the ending part of the surname changes slightly, but still keeps it's meaning of Bear's. I might be wrong, but just because it is a surname it doesn't mean that the word MAN should be used in the translation presented bear-man.
Medvedev=> male version of Bear's
Medvedeva=> female version of Bear's.
Russian is a very complex language and it is true that some translations are difficult to do with precision.

It is easy to translate for example Johnsons into russian or probably any other language.
Anyway, that was just a personal observation.
Just didn't want no one using Medvedev in a sense of a Bear-Man. Medvedev is a typical SURNAME as it's structure indicates.

regards

[highwic]

this wd mean highwic's info is incorrect

you guys need to get with the program google sky, MWWT, are all way out of date, WW was in virgo years ago, WAKE UP

[bluehorseman]

you guys need to get with the program google sky, MWWT, are all way out of date, WW was in virgo years ago, WAKE UP

Welcome highwic I'm glad you are here and I look forward to your perspective on the whole thread.

Harrp or Nibiru? A combinatiopn of both perhaps?:confused:

[highwic]

the dwarf star is easily visible now pre dawn and when its daylight
here in Queensland, Australia @ 4:30am it is about 10 deg off the eastern horizon and by 6 am it is @ about 40 deg off the eastern horizon

[yabs]

hi Highwic where do i look in the daytime/nighttime?
do I need infrred to see it or naked eye?

[bluehorseman]

the dwarf star is easily visible now pre dawn and when its daylight
here in Queensland, Australia @ 4:30am it is about 10 deg off the eastern horizon and by 6 am it is @ about 40 deg off the eastern horizon

I'm on the east coast in NZ I will it out - is the morning the best time?

[yabs]

sorry I do not underdstand this
you guys need to get with the program google sky, MWWT, are all way out of date, WW was in virgo years ago, WAKE UP

you mean you cannot see in in google/sky or not?

[highwic]

sorry I do not underdstand this
you guys need to get with the program google sky, MWWT, are all way out of date, WW was in virgo years ago, WAKE UP

you mean you cannot see in in google/sky or not?
all the sky space web sites are corrupt
they have since it got to close to ignore ,that is when it crossed Jupiters orbit or before switched it with Jupiter , so now where you see Jupiter on a sky map
it is really Wormwood and I can show proof of this

[highwic]

I'm on the east coast in NZ I will it out - is the morning the best time?
before the Sun rises

[bluehorseman]

before the Sun rises

Thanks I'll check it out on Saturday morning. I'll look to the east, about a finger width off the horizon at around midnight.:D

Edit: I don't own binos or telescope but have got very good eyesight.

[highwic]

Thanks I'll check it out on Saturday morning. I'll look to the east, about a finger width off the horizon at around midnight.:D

Edit: I don't own binos or telescope but have got very good eyesight.

no not @ midnight 4:30 am till day light but before the Sun rises

[highwic]

hi Highwic where do i look in the daytime/nighttime?
do I need infrred to see it or naked eye?

naked eye is fine but alot better through 15 X 70 binoculars

[bluehorseman]

no not @ midnight 4:30 am till day light but before the Sun rises

Okey dokey 4:30am it is - I'll get my thermos out, sleeping bag - it'll be good.

[yabs]

ok please do
so what you are saying is that it appears in front Of Jupiter
so we cannot see Jupiter but we can see Wormwood but people will still think its Jupiter
clever little b*gger isn't it. With all due respect then I presume you are a seasoned astronomer?
By the way what has happened to the rabbitshole website
yesterday it said hijacked by islamic hackers and now its dead
I wa enjoying our chat there so please stay here if that is not available

[franky000]

I don't mean to derail this thread, but has anyone noticed that Sirius has been censored in GS?

http://www.google.com/sky/#latitude=-16.671715392982918&longitude=-78.72940063476562&zoom=9&Spitzer=0.00&ChandraXO=0.00&Galex=0.00&IRAS=0.00&WMAP=0.00&Cassini=0.00&slide=1&mI=-1&oI=-1

[yabs]

highwic
If you see it ca n you polease do a video of it and put it on you tube
And I do not mean a zoomed in shot of unknown origin
I mean zoomed in and then slowly zooming out so we can get an idea of perspective and location in the sky maybe raltive to mmon, orion etc
Niburu shocks "evidence" was just plain pathetic, it was a picture of a zoomed in red blob like thats proof to anyone
Please if its there we need to know and make preps

[highwic]

ok please do
so what you are saying is that it appears in front Of Jupiter
so we cannot see Jupiter but we can see Wormwood but people will still think its Jupiter
clever little b*gger isn't it. With all due respect then I presume you are a seasoned astronomer?
By the way what has happened to the rabbitshole website
yesterday it said hijacked by islamic hackers and now its dead
I wa enjoying our chat there so please stay here if that is not available
if you go to my yt channel you will see Jupiter is in a different position
http://www.youtube.com/user/highwic

[highwic]

highwic
If you see it ca n you polease do a video of it and put it on you tube
And I do not mean a zoomed in shot of unknown origin
I mean zoomed in and then slowly zooming out so we can get an idea of perspective and location in the sky maybe raltive to mmon, orion etc
Niburu shocks "evidence" was just plain pathetic, it was a picture of a zoomed in red blob like thats proof to anyone
Please if its there we need to know and make preps

watch this video and at the end he zooms back out to naked eye viewing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCyipIJxl10

[yabs]

ok thanks I will watch but if you have "seen" this how come others havn't theer must be mllions of stargazers?

[andyh]

Looking back through the thread it seems as if no-one can agree where this thing (Nibiru) is. The 2012 forum thread is also just as hilarious.
The really laughable thing is the amount of people looking at google sky and not bothering to note the date of the bloody images on the program..
Now there are some decent sky images available on the net but you need to know what to look for.
Whatever the video is actually showing is difficult to tell as there's no frame of reference. I understand highwic is in Oz. What are you using to capture the image? What time and date is the recording and what co-ords are you looking at?

Are there any reliable consistent recordings of it's track and speed anywhere?

[yabs]

ok thanks I will watch but if you have "seen" this how come others havn't theer must be mllions of stargazers? on the second link there are also a lot of commnets taht attempt to debunk what you show?

[yabs]

ok the camera zoomed out on the second but not in relation to naything we can identify with
Ie you could have a compass reading and then span to the moon or easy to find constellation such as Orion
To me it dpesn't prove anything as I do not know enough about astsronomy
and how can you prove that its not Jupiter as commenst claim?

[highwic]

Looking back through the thread it seems as if no-one can agree where this thing (Nibiru) is. The 2012 forum thread is also just as hilarious.
The really laughable thing is the amount of people looking at google sky and not bothering to note the date of the bloody images on the program..
Now there are some decent sky images available on the net but you need to know what to look for.
Whatever the video is actually showing is difficult to tell as there's no frame of reference. I understand highwic is in Oz. What are you using to capture the image? What time and date is the recording and what co-ords are you looking at?

Are there any reliable consistent recordings of it's track and speed anywhere?

badasselvis has many videos taken Nov, Dec 09 and Jan 10
in his earlier videos he states what equipment he is using
I can guarantee they are all authentic as at the time I was watching
the same on a nightly basis with infrared binoculars
http://www.youtube.com/user/BADASSELVIS

[yabs]

yes exactly that video I am sorry proves absolutely nothing
you need time , date refernce, coords all of it

[highwic]

yes exactly that video I am sorry proves absolutely nothing
you need time , date refernce, coords all of it
it proves its not Jupiter , Jupiter has no corona,being -140 Deg C @ the cloud tops the dwarf star is 1000 - 2000 @ its surface, if you cant see the corona
in the video I suggest you get your eyes tested

[highwic]

1 Dec 08 there was a spectacular Jupiter Venus Crescent Moon conjunction.
In the NASA chart below they claim the image is from above which is a lie
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5904/dec12008.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/dec12008.jpg/)
it is in fact from the northern hemisphere showing the conjunction 30 deg to the left of the Sun,viewed from Earth, in the following url you will see if viewed from the southern hemisphere the conjunction is 30 deg to the right of the Sun
http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=01&month=12&year=2008
Be sure to look at both northern and southern hemisphere photos of the conjunction plus the 1 near the equator, this clearly shows the conjunction of NASA's should be in line with the Sun and not 30 deg to the left as they show making all following charts showing Jupiter's position 30 deg out, this is how they have LIED and all the sky, space web sites are the same.
It proves that Jupiter is not where they've put it and indeed the object in that place is the dwarf star Wormwood

[yabs]

i WILL Have to add astronomy to my list of things ot investigate
havi ng spent nearly two years on economics and the banking faud maybe its time to move on :)

[yabs]

Highwic
Ok so can you give us some tips of how to spot it?
Are you saying that Wormwood is appearing in the place where Jupiter usually is and that it can be told apart as it has a corona and Jupiter doesn't?

[yabs]

Just one more query as to this 3600 year catastrophic event
If its happend before then why was the population so small last time and now its so big
ie if we had nearly been wiped out 3600 years ago could we really have bred to such large numbers today if they hadn't done that 3600 years ago

[jesuitsdidit]

Just one more query as to this 3600 year catastrophic event
If its happend before then why was the population so small last time and now its so big
ie if we had nearly been wiped out 3600 years ago could we really have bred to such large numbers today if they hadn't done that 3600 years ago

the human popln has grown from 2bn in 1950 to nearly 7bn today
200 yrs ago it was 750 million
most of the growth has been in the last 50 years.

[jesuitsdidit]

presumably old mine shafts wd b a good place to go for 7 days
take grain seeds to plant when u come out and water to last plus plastic containers for pee n poo.

[yabs]

I wonder why that is?
but what i ma saying is how come it didn't grow that much before ie before the last "event"
have we suddenly started shagging more?