A question to Christians

[dragon fang]

I want to ask your a question:

Jesus which is J-E-S-U-S
It starts with the letter "J"...
But as I remember the letter "J" was only added about 600 years ago and it became official in 1630.
And this letter never existed in ANY language, And the letter "I" was used for it's place.
So it should be "Iesus" not "Jesus", There is no way Jesus would be his original name.
Can you explain it?


Oh.. And look at this fun fact, Jesus's name in the Quran is Issa.
Find anything wierd?

[dedicate]

In the normal uneducated population, the Letter "J" being unique to the English language may be a revelation. But around here, most everybody understands that English is a part of a culture quite different from Ancient Hebrew. That is, most people, but not all.

There is no letter J,, therefore Jerusalem is not Jerusalem,=== it's a fiction.


P.S. I'm certified born again. It happened in the year 2000 during a dream, where I saw the Messiah. Soon after that I was baptised in the tent of the Lord under the bright orbital lights. Just to let you know, I'm not answering this question out of turn.

[lumukanda]

before the j was around, an i was used.

Jesus used to be Iesus in Latin, like John (Johannes) was spelt Ionnas, much like Jo-anna can also be spelt Ionna.

[dragon fang]

In the normal uneducated population, the Letter "J" being unique to the English language may be a revelation. But around here, most everybody understands that English is a part of a culture quite different from Ancient Hebrew. That is, most people, but not all.

There is no letter J,, therefore Jerusalem is not Jerusalem,=== it's a fiction.


P.S. I'm certified born again. It happened in the year 2000 during a dream, where I saw the Messiah. Soon after that I was baptised in the tent of the Lord under the bright orbital lights. Just to let you know, I'm not answering this question out of turn.
No rune proves that Jews came to Palastine first.



before the j was around, an i was used.

Jesus used to be Iesus in Latin, like John (Johannes) was spelt Ionnas, much like Jo-anna can also be spelt Ionna.
Then how come "Jesus is the original name" is clamed?
Why didn't they continue with Iesus?
Are trying to hide something?


And something else I found wierd:
If Jesus's brother James was an Anti Christianity, Then how come he suddenly lead the Church immediately after Jesus's "Death"?
I find it hard that a hater and enemy of Christianity become a leader after Jesus's death.

[lumukanda]

i'm not entirely sure here, but if i'm not mistaken it was always pronounced J but spelt with and I (in english anyway).

of course jesus' real name was yeshua or something like that, so the sound you're really looking for is a Y sound, but when it went from being a Y sound to the J sound we know, i don't know, but in afrikaans the J is pronounced like a Y and is pronounced Yee-sus and is in some other languages too.

but anyone claiming that Jesus is the original name is stupid simply because the bible as we know it was written in aramaic, then greek, then latin (Iesus), then into the rest of the western languages, german first i think.
there are also coptic and slavic versions which are also pretty old.
but the meaning of the name, the lord is salvation, has probably stayed the same and is really just a version of joshua.

[loveisthelaw]

i'm not entirely sure here, but if i'm not mistaken it was always pronounced J but spelt with and I (in english anyway).

of course jesus' real name was yeshua or something like that, so the sound you're really looking for is a Y sound, but when it went from being a Y sound to the J sound we know, i don't know, but in afrikaans the J is pronounced like a Y and is pronounced Yee-sus and is in some other languages too.

but anyone claiming that Jesus is the original name is stupid simply because the bible as we know it was written in aramaic, then greek, then latin (Iesus), then into the rest of the western languages, german first i think.
there are also coptic and slavic versions which are also pretty old.
but the meaning of the name, the lord is salvation, has probably stayed the same and is really just a version of joshua.

The name Jesus is a fabrication - as someone stated, there is no J in Hebrew. So Issa (Arabic name for this man "Jesus") would not reply if you called out Jesus, Jesus. Jews are not Jews, they are Yehudi. Jerusalem is actually Yerushaleyim. Also, Palestine is not Palestine, it is an Arabic word, and it is pronounced Falestine.

English people and language bastardise everything :) (I am native British white so that is not a racial thing, just an observation) :p sorry if it offends someone

[lumukanda]

The name Jesus is a fabrication - as someone stated, there is no J in Hebrew. So Issa (Arabic name for this man "Jesus") would not reply if you called out Jesus, Jesus. Jews are not Jews, they are Yehudi. Jerusalem is actually Yerushaleyim. Also, Palestine is not Palestine, it is an Arabic word, and it is pronounced Falestine.

English people and language bastardise everything :) (I am native British white so that is not a racial thing, just an observation) :p sorry if it offends someone

fair enough, i did say above though that jesus was a version of joshua though.

[phildee3]

A question to Christians

Can you explain it?



Language is constantly evolving.
Simple as that.

[phildee3]

I want to ask your a question:

Jesus which is J-E-S-U-S
It starts with the letter "J"...
But as I remember the letter "J" was only added about 600 years ago and it became official in 1630.
And this letter never existed in ANY language, And the letter "I" was used for it's place.
So it should be "Iesus" not "Jesus",



Yes, - if you are a person living in medieval England.

If you want to say it like a 2000 year-old Palestinian, try this:
http://rlv.zcache.com/jesus_in_ancient_aramaic_tshirt-p235892200692194948qw9y_400.jpg
click to enlarge

[drakul]

I want to ask your a question:

Oh.. And look at this fun fact, Jesus's name in the Quran is Issa.
Find anything wierd?

ISSA - pronounced ESSE - `HE IS'. An ancient concept from which words like essence, essential, Essene, etc were derived. Some scholars claim that Jesus spent 18 years in India, the `lost years' from age 12-30, were he is still known as ISSA - ESSE.

Christianity came to India a long time ago. Some Indian Christians claim the Apostle St. Thomas brought Christianity to India (Kerala) in 54AD.

[drakul]

Indian View:

O king, lend your ear to the religion that I brought unto the non-believers ... Through justice, truth, meditation, and unity of spirit, man will find his way to Isa (God, in Sanskrit) who dwells in the centre of Light, who remains as constant as the sun, and who dissolves all transient things forever. The blissful image of Isa, the giver of happiness, was revealed in the heart; and I was called Isa-Masih (Jesus the Messiah).'"[7]

Muslim views
See also: Jesus in India (book)

According to some Muslims on the subcontinent, the Ahmadiyyas in particular, the further sayings of Muhammad mention that Jesus died in Kashmir at the age of one hundred and twenty years. Ahmadiyyas have advocated this view for over 100 years. Muslim and Persian sources purport to trace the sojourn of Jesus, known as Isa, or Yuz Asaf ("leader of the healed") along the old Silk Road to the orient. The books, Christ in Kashmir by Aziz Kashmiri, and Jesus Lived in India by Holger Kersten, list documents and articles in support of this view. They believe Yuz Asaf to be buried at the Roza Bal shrine in Srinagar, India.

Lost years of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


ISA - God in Sanscrit. ESSE - HE IS.

[timehasanend]

I want to ask your a question:

Jesus which is J-E-S-U-S
It starts with the letter "J"...
But as I remember the letter "J" was only added about 600 years ago and it became official in 1630.
And this letter never existed in ANY language, And the letter "I" was used for it's place.
So it should be "Iesus" not "Jesus", There is no way Jesus would be his original name.
Can you explain it?


Oh.. And look at this fun fact, Jesus's name in the Quran is Issa.
Find anything wierd?


Translation and Transliteration have different meanings

The Truth Behind the Name of Jesus
The Truth Behind the Name of Jesus - YouTube

[michael christopher]

Another fun fact is that Iesous translated into Greek means "the son of Zeus" which would mean that Mr. Yod-Heh-Vau-Heh-heh-Uav-Heh-Doy-Yod-Heh-Vau-Heh (the fully pronounced mystical name of Yahweh which will, if you say it properly, cause your head to dislodge from your shoulders and begin to spin in circles in mid-air) is actually the Greek God Zeus.

Christians are typically way, way too stupid to research their own religion however, so I say we let them go on worshiping pagan gods without realizing it. Nothing funnier than watching idiots pretend to know things. I love when they get on their pedestals and accuse others of being mentally ill, all the while praying to imaginary deities that are cheap counterfeits of other imaginary deities.

[drakul]

Another fun fact is that Iesous translated into Greek means "the son of Zeus" which would mean that Mr. Yod-Heh-Vau-Heh-heh-Uav-Heh-Doy-Yod-Heh-Vau-Heh (the fully pronounced mystical name of Yahweh which will, if you say it properly, cause your head to dislodge from your shoulders and begin to spin in circles in mid-air) is actually the Greek God Zeus.

Christians are typically way, way too stupid to research their own religion however, so I say we let them go on worshiping pagan gods without realizing it. Nothing funnier than watching idiots pretend to know things. I love when they get on their pedestals and accuse others of being mentally ill, all the while praying to imaginary deities that are cheap counterfeits of other imaginary deities.

Je Zeus - is more logical than the `Yeshua'. Especially considering the dominant cultural influence of Greek thought and religion in the Mediterranean. We like to pretend that the Romans were the dominant cultural influence. NOT. The Romans had an occupying army, force, taxes. But the Romans imitated and copied the Greeks like everyone else. All of the Roman Gods were Greek gods with different names.

[michael christopher]

Je Zeus - is more logical than the `Yeshua'. Especially considering the dominant cultural influence of Greek thought and religion in the Mediterranean. We like to pretend that the Romans were the dominant cultural influence. NOT. The Romans had an occupying army, force, taxes. But the Romans imitated and copied the Greeks like everyone else. All of the Roman Gods were Greek gods with different names.

Just like the Christian gods are also pagan gods with different names. Which is obvious if you aren't a blinded Christian.

[drakul]

Just like the Christian gods are also pagan gods with different names. Which is obvious if you aren't a blinded Christian.

OK here we go, the eternal accusation on David Icke forum. Show me how the `pagan gods' were identical to Jesus. I will respond by showing you how unique Jesus was, especially his teachings.

I have spent years researching this subject. I studied and practiced Buddhism and Sufism. I took that pic I use as my avatar at Angkor Wat. I have climbed the pyramids of Egypt, visited most of the ancient Mayan sites in Mexico, lived and worked in Southeast Asia, Africa, Micronesia and Central America. All along, the search for GOD and the origins of Mankind has been one of my life passions. I tell you this because I hope you don't try to play the `You are just an ignorant Bible Babbler' game. It won't work. Try to be a little more intelligent.

[phildee3]

Just like the Christian gods are also pagan gods with different names. Which is obvious if you aren't a blinded Christian.

Are you saying it's obvious to a blinded pagan? :confused:

[michael christopher]

Are you saying it's obvious to a blinded pagan? :confused:

/sigh

Leave it to phildee to turn one comment into another comment entirely. I expect that from a hardcore Christian apologist such as yourself.

As for Drakul - dude, you still believe a guy rose from the dead. I don't care how many years you spent researching anything, you clearly can't think straight. Your opinion is ridiculous because the entire foundation on which you place every belief you come to involves a fictional character who supposedly broke the laws of nature. Get real. You aren't an expert on anything.

[drakul]

/sigh

[QUOTE]As for Drakul - dude, you still believe a guy rose from the dead.

Did I say that?

There is belief in a physical ressurection and or a spiritual ressurection. I lean toward a spiritual ressurection.

I don't care how many years you spent researching anything, you clearly can't think straight. Your opinion is ridiculous because the entire foundation on which you place every belief you come to involves a fictional character who supposedly broke the laws of nature. Get real.

Why don't you `get real'??? What makes you so adamant that every Christian must take the Bible literally??? You are playing that game again. It's below you. There is the Jesus Christ of history and the Jesus with 2,000 years of miraculous church dogma on top. No one really knows where it all begins and ends. Including you.

You aren't an expert on anything.

Did I say that? No. Again putting words in my mouth. I asked you to show me what pagan Gods that you claim Jesus is an imitation of. I said would show you how Jesus is unique. If you can't back up your claims, don't go around making blatant statements that Jesus is an imitation and a lie.

BTW - I went on your blog and read part of your story about the fake psychic channeler. Loved it. I mean that. My daughter is just about to get her MA in English from Texas AM. She will go on as a paid graduate assistant to get another MA in creative writing from Purdue (Univ of Indiana). I always read her assigned books, lots of short stories. Some of those `award winning' short stories just leave me scratching my head (WTH?) I think your stories are waaay more interesting and creative.

[nirvana]

I want to ask your a question:

Jesus which is J-E-S-U-S
It starts with the letter "J"...
But as I remember the letter "J" was only added about 600 years ago and it became official in 1630.
And this letter never existed in ANY language, And the letter "I" was used for it's place.
So it should be "Iesus" not "Jesus", There is no way Jesus would be his original name.
Can you explain it?


Oh.. And look at this fun fact, Jesus's name in the Quran is Issa.
Find anything wierd?

JESUS used to be called yeshua :)

If you put your faith into yeshua or jesus the main thing is faith. Everything is illusional vibrating energy your beliefs and faith is what shapes this energy for good or bad.

[ufochick]

According to the Urantia Book (the "other" christian book) his name is current english was Joshua Ben Joseph.

To the person who wrote they were 'certified' born again what does that mean?

[dedicate]

I said, "certified born again".. as a sort of sarcasm or facetiousness. It's a joke. A lot of Christianity seem to believe all one has to do is have some experience, or turn away from some sinning behavior, or read the Bible with meaning,, and suddenly one can say one is saved or born again. Like I can just make a check list and thus get certified as .

Its a sad joke. When Jesus was talking about being born again, nobody understood what he meant. Over time the term has lost it's meaning, and now everybody can jump on board, because the original meaning is lost. Now everybody is "born again".. If Jesus were around today, he would avoid the term like the plague. But it does point out that Jesus was a giant... he knew at the time that only those who had the experience would understand this new thing he was speaking of. But now the meaning is lost,, and any kind of couch potatoe goes around saying he is born again.

These religious people can be so annoying. They want everything for nothing. -- yesterday they were eating out of toilets and today they telling me what I can eat. They believe they are Artists just because they pick up a paintbrush and know the differance from red and blue. It's degrading to people who have actually done some of the work and earned what they have.

So, if that is all it takes to be a Christian,, then I can say the same thing. The more I look at it,, "Christian" is just a label, and anyone can put a label on.

[biblegirl]

interesting thread :)

The name Jesus is a fabrication - as someone stated, there is no J in Hebrew. So Issa (Arabic name for this man "Jesus") would not reply if you called out Jesus, Jesus. Jews are not Jews, they are Yehudi. Jerusalem is actually Yerushaleyim. Also, Palestine is not Palestine, it is an Arabic word, and it is pronounced Falestine.

English people and language bastardise everything :) (I am native British white so that is not a racial thing, just an observation) :p sorry if it offends someone

lol, thanks for posting this

[phildee3]

I said, "certified born again".. as a sort of sarcasm or facetiousness. It's a joke. A lot of Christianity seem to believe all one has to do is have some experience, or turn away from some sinning behavior, or read the Bible with meaning,, and suddenly one can say one is saved or born again. Like I can just make a check list and thus get certified as .

Its a sad joke. When Jesus was talking about being born again, nobody understood what he meant. Over time the term has lost it's meaning, and now everybody can jump on board, because the original meaning is lost. Now everybody is "born again".. If Jesus were around today, he would avoid the term like the plague. But it does point out that Jesus was a giant... he knew at the time that only those who had the experience would understand this new thing he was speaking of. But now the meaning is lost,, and any kind of couch potatoe goes around saying he is born again.

These religious people can be so annoying.



Annoying?? :eek: These so-called "born-again" fundamentalists are flat out dangerous! :mad:

But the true meaning isn't lost. There are some who have the very experience that Jesus spoke of.
This guy describes it quite well but it's even worse than he makes it sound:
http://www.themystic.org/dark-night/index.htm
It is total, agonising death. It is hell!!
But one must DIE before one can be born again (in the way Jesus meant)
and everything about your old life gets chucked in the bin!

[dedicate]

I'm glad you are seeing the danger, phildee. You are involved with the community of saints more than I, so you would know. I tend not to encounter the fundamentalist so much, except by chance or on the street, and once in awhile here. So, I don't really feel the brunt of it. But "dangerous" may be the word.

It's an interesting thing, this devalueing of words. I've notice on this board,, people are speaking of being "awake" and even "enlightened", just because they are involved in exposing the NWO illuminati agenda. I don't confront the many people who do this, but I find it an afront to the actual meaning of the words.

In Buddhist terms, being awake is being enlightened. I believe, The Buddha means The Awakened One,, and to be enlightened is a very rare thing indeed. Not terms to toss around with no thought as to their original meaning,, like apparently is being done in this community of truth seekers.

See the thread: "Anyone choose to go back to sleep" in the AWAKENING section of this forum..

I often wondered if anyone every chose to go back to sleep. WAKING UP in a world full of sleeping people is very anoying as they like sleeping and don't want to WAKE UP. If it wasn't for the whole, they're planning to kill us thing, I often times wonder if I'd be happier going back to sleep. Being ENLIGHTENED is rewarding in a self gratifying way.


It would be better, I think, to see it as AN AWAKENING not THE AWAKENING,, or AN ENLIGHTENMENT not THE ENLIGHTENMENT. Somehow the way the terms are used, it is by way of dismissing the real meaning of the words and applying it to some experience similar, but not totally it.

[biblegirl]

I said, "certified born again".. as a sort of sarcasm or facetiousness. It's a joke. A lot of Christianity seem to believe all one has to do is have some experience, or turn away from some sinning behavior, or read the Bible with meaning,, and suddenly one can say one is saved or born again. Like I can just make a check list and thus get certified as .


a lot like catholic indulgences

[phildee3]

a lot like catholic indulgences

Sounds like the opposite of an indugence to me!