Nutrition- No Defence Against Cancer?

[hagbard_celine]

It's been in the news today that a study done on the continent claims that eating fresh fruit and vegetables only reduced your cancer risk by a negligible 4%:eek::(. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8605270.stm

I think we should be suspicious of this claim when you consider the promotion of the new Codex Alimentarius laws. There have been attacks on nutrician from Ben Goldacre etc. Don't just take this announcement as Gospel! They have a motive for fraud. They're hopeing people will give up on healthy eating and get more cancer so Illuminati-occupied Big Pharma gets more money and power.

[mark1963]

Good find, hagbard.

Mount Sinai School of Medicine - aren't they funded by the Rockefellers?

[dragoness]

Here in Sweden they said on the news recently that multivitamins cause breast cancer in women. The first thing that popped into my mind when I heard this was Codex Alimentarius...

[winegums]

There have been attacks on nutrician from Ben Goldacre etc. Don't just take this announcement as Gospel! They have a motive for fraud. They're hopeing people will give up on healthy eating and get more cancer so Illuminati-occupied Big Pharma gets more money and power.

I'm quite a fan of Dr Goldacre, and I've never seen him make an attack on serious nutrition. He lays into quacky claims from people like Gillian McKeith that "chlorophyll is high in oxygen which means eating green leaves will really oxygenate the blood", but I've not seen him, nor would I expect to see him, disparage a sensible diet containing plenty fresh fruit and vegetables.

[hagbard_celine]

Here in Sweden they said on the news recently that multivitamins cause breast cancer in women. The first thing that popped into my mind when I heard this was Codex Alimentarius...

That sounds to me like disinfo:mad:, and that makes it more likely that this continental study is a part of the same thing. Interestingly I saw a poster in a greengrocers that declared that it was scientificly proven that "5-a day", and as a result nutrician in general, can reduce the risk of cancer.

[hagbard_celine]

I'm quite a fan of Dr Goldacre, and I've never seen him make an attack on serious nutrition. He lays into quacky claims from people like Gillian McKeith that "chlorophyll is high in oxygen which means eating green leaves will really oxygenate the blood", but I've not seen him, nor would I expect to see him, disparage a sensible diet containing plenty fresh fruit and vegetables.

I know Goldacre himself is not involved with this particular case. I just used him as an example. I've read his book and reviewed it here:cool:: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61631 He is actually totally justified in his criticism of McKeith, but he goes too far. Without directly debunking the work of far more credible researchers he is promoting a general astmosphere of distrust in alternative healthcare.

[goatboyjnr]

Here in Sweden they said on the news recently that multivitamins cause breast cancer in women. The first thing that popped into my mind when I heard this was Codex Alimentarius...

some SYNTHETIC vitamins can cause health problems, these are normally manufactured by the pharmaceutical industry anyway :rolleyes: natural source supplements don't have the negative effect. high doses of synthetic vitamin A may be harmful for example yet that same amount of vitamin A taken in the form of carrot juice won't be a problem. the source is paramount!

[goatboyjnr]

I'm quite a fan of Dr Goldacre, and I've never seen him make an attack on serious nutrition. He lays into quacky claims from people like Gillian McKeith that "chlorophyll is high in oxygen which means eating green leaves will really oxygenate the blood"

chlorophyll isn't purported to be high in oxygen, yet it does help build red blood cells which carry oxygen to the cells in the body, so essentially it does help oxygenate the body by providing elements which enable this. this isn't anything personal it just irritates me that 'debunkers/sceptics' such as Goldacre always seem to pick on a claim that an alternative practitioner makes and completely miss the point of what they were saying in the first place. :rolleyes:

[the ultimate truth]

The short of it is this, eating a few peaces of fruit and veg a day alone is barely going to cause a scratch when the rest of your diet and lifestyle is leading you to a degenerative disease. Especially if they aren't in their raw, fresh, ripe and organic forms otherwise most of the nutritional benefit has gone.

Does the article have disinfo/misinfo ? Yes, plenty.

This doesn't take away from the fact that replacing the nutritional value and key role fruit and vedge play is in a healthy disease free lifestyle.

Many people are curing themselves of all kinds of diseases such by consuming of diet with the majority of food being fruits and vegetables.

Gerson diet, Hippocrates diet etc.