What's going on with conspiracy theoriests?

[flyermay]

Lately I'm quite disappointed with their new videos and interviews. The last videos from David Icke, Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell give the impression that they have lost it. Is it only me, or other people are also wondering if all of them have lost it?

I was really disappointed with the last interview I saw of David Icke. I think I saw all of his lectures and I barely remember disagreeing with him. But in his last interview I couldn't stop thinking: "that can't be true", "what is he talking about?", "what makes him think that?"...

I always thought Alex Jones was exaggerating a lot and trying to scare the American public with what they most fear: communism. But at the same time I always thought he was more or less on the right track. However, lately he is just charging and insulting everyone, everyone is to blame: foreigners, leftists, environmentalists, liberals, even people with "morals". It's just ridiculous!

And Jordan Maxwell... well, I just saw his latest video and I don't think he is making any sense anymore; every little thing is a big deal, he makes contradictory statements, everything is proof of a communist plot that started in the Roman Empire, and so on. I was under the impression that: he wasn't really thinking what he was saying, or he had no idea of what he was talking about.

What's going on???

[pound]

Hmm..Havent listened to Jordan Maxwell in awhile, the last I saw/heard from him was 'Dawn of a new day' which was superb. As for AJ and Icke I don't have any complaints.....Everything they are currently saying resonates with me just as much as the first time I heard from them.

[novymir]

Maybe you're falling behind the curve?? Maybe stuck at a certain comfort zone??
If you havn't been experiencing discomfort in your "awakening" I'd say you probably aren't moving forward? No pain, no gain?

For me, recently Icke is confirming certain things that I already knew, and thereby giving me a reason to keep him as a source. People need to realize, when someone is speaking about "Higher Truths" it can only be done in metaphor, analogy, symbolism, or parable in this limited realm.
"Reality" is based on Pragmatism and Paradox, "concrete" details can be apparently false, but the meaning can be True at another level...
Of course the Truth is Within, and the Spirit is the True guide and informer, if the ego allows it.

[flyermay]

Maybe it's just me. But what do you make of Icke's statements like this one: "Humans didn't need to eat in ancient times, the atmosphere was so energised that it provided all the nourishment they needed". And you could think is was just a metaphor, but he goes on saying: "In fact also animals didn't need to eat, they got it all from the atmosphere. There was no need to kill for survival". Were did he get that idea? I don't think he has found something that proves no living being in the planet needed to eat, or did he?

But actually I started this thread after seeing Maxwell's "Dawn of a new day", which is basically about a secret order of the sun, that no one ever heard about, that's been pushing a communist agenda since Roman times, whose motto is "the dawn of a new day", and that everyone that ever said "dawn of a new day" is part of this Marxist-communist / fascist-Nazi plot. And he got all that from the Soviet coat of arms that has a dawn on it... Does all that makes sense to anyone?

[novymir]

Maybe it's just me. But what do you make of Icke's statements like this one: "Humans didn't need to eat in ancient times, the atmosphere was so energised that it provided all the nourishment they needed". And you could think is was just a metaphor, but he goes on saying: "In fact also animals didn't need to eat, they got it all from the atmosphere. There was no need to kill for survival". Were did he get that idea? I don't think he has found something that proves no living being in the planet needed to eat, or did he?



Yeah, that's one of the things I was referring to. It is is a logical extension of what he and others have been saying about who/what we truely are, and the nature of "reality". Why not? This is the area/level that you need to move into. I understand under current conditions that is difficult, but again; no pain, no gain...
You've gotta dig deep down inside yourself-- with an overwhelming absolutely honest desire for Truth of You beyond/before "ego".
The "proof" thing you want will be a stumbling block for you, it is indicative of a material-based identity... sorry, but that's just the way it is... you need to open up your imagination beyond the physical. Logic and reason are still operative, but once you reach a certain level they just become metaphor tools to express in this realm what you already Know-- that which was imparted to you via Spirit without thought-- inspiration, not to arrive at a conclusion...


The manipulators/intruders are the source of the predatory/parasitic paradigm(supremacism). They "believe" in a false-identity that necessitates preying and leeching off-- consuming, of their "inferiors"(Us/the Earth). They have projected that mindset into our identity, our minds have been manipulated to change the programing of our DNA, and this has been affected within this whole Creation to varying degrees.
Ultimately it may have been meant to be, a necessary experience for expanding awareness of Self, but, in my opinion I think we've experienced enough of it, it's now getting out of hand, from a higher level the eventual outcome can only be destruction/rape of the Earth and humanity by those Beings/entities(a collective consciousness--satan/cancer/demiurge/unconscious/borg) that have been exploiting a perceptual/dimensional advantage.

The truth is, (at 1 level) things are much worse than most of these researchers are saying, that's why its taking so long for them to try to communicate it (also, the knowledge is being regulated to them with this in mind), if they just came out and said it most people couldn't handle it and would go off the deep end if they seriously contemplated it, but at the same time, our Creative potential is infinite and the problem can be solved in an instant if We can Real-ize our True identity and the Spirit within.
Gnosticism, "gurus", and most religions and now quantum physics have all been giving clues and deeper knowledge, unfortunately there has also been alot of disinfo/misinfo mixed in with it so no one source to my knowledge is 100% reliable, Spirit awareness is the source of discernment.

The material is a result. The cause is a constant to maintain it. But not absolute in how it manifests. We are co-Creators that exist before this result.

[alder]

I get a little bit weary of the "matrix" metaphors Icke uses because it seems a bit ironic. The movie is about escaping the fake reality of the matrix hologram, and in doing so, the characters must return to their physical body form, which exists outside the matrix.
The latest interview where Icke talks about how humans and animals used to get their nutrients more or less, automatically through the air, it seems like his idea of true reality is actually living in the matrix, where we are all consciousness.
As long as we exist in a physical form, we will require food. And unless we evolve/devolve into plants, we will need to seek out nutrients that don't come directly from the sun. It has been my understanding that the human body is essentially good, and eating is a form of enjoyment. It is natural. Does Icke want us all to feed off universal energy within some matrix consciousness database or something?

[novymir]

I get a little bit weary of the "matrix" metaphors Icke uses because it seems a bit ironic. The movie is about escaping the fake reality of the matrix hologram, and in doing so, the characters must return to their physical body form, which exists outside the matrix.
The latest interview where Icke talks about how humans and animals used to get their nutrients more or less, automatically through the air, it seems like his idea of true reality is actually living in the matrix, where we are all consciousness.
As long as we exist in a physical form, we will require food. And unless we evolve/devolve into plants, we will need to seek out nutrients that don't come directly from the sun. It has been my understanding that the human body is essentially good, and eating is a form of enjoyment. It is natural. Does Icke want us all to feed off universal energy within some matrix consciousness database or something?

Yeah, actually they didn't leave the matrix, they just moved to an apparent outer level.
The Matrix in of itself is not "bad", it's becoming so immersed within it and losing touch with True identity, and when "others" have fucked with the programing and set themselves up as virtual "GOD" in a exploitive abusive way. It's a virtual-reality game, and it is incredible, but this particular program is getting kind of old now, don't you think?

[alder]

I guess I need to watch the sequels...

[flyermay]

Yeah, that's one of the things I was referring to. It is is a logical extension of what he and others have been saying about who/what we truely are, and the nature of "reality". Why not? This is the area/level that you need to move into. I understand under current conditions that is difficult, but again; no pain, no gain...
You've gotta dig deep down inside yourself-- with an overwhelming absolutely honest desire for Truth of You beyond/before "ego".
The "proof" thing you want will be a stumbling block for you, it is indicative of a material-based identity... sorry, but that's just the way it is... you need to open up your imagination beyond the physical. Logic and reason are still operative, but once you reach a certain level they just become metaphor tools to express in this realm what you already Know-- that which was imparted to you via Spirit without thought-- inspiration, not to arrive at a conclusion...


The manipulators/intruders are the source of the predatory/parasitic paradigm(supremacism). They "believe" in a false-identity that necessitates preying and leeching off-- consuming, of their "inferiors"(Us/the Earth). They have projected that mindset into our identity, our minds have been manipulated to change the programing of our DNA, and this has been affected within this whole Creation to varying degrees.
Ultimately it may have been meant to be, a necessary experience for expanding awareness of Self, but, in my opinion I think we've experienced enough of it, it's now getting out of hand, from a higher level the eventual outcome can only be destruction/rape of the Earth and humanity by those Beings/entities(a collective consciousness--satan/cancer/demiurge/unconscious/borg) that have been exploiting a perceptual/dimensional advantage.

The truth is, (at 1 level) things are much worse than most of these researchers are saying, that's why its taking so long for them to try to communicate it (also, the knowledge is being regulated to them with this in mind), if they just came out and said it most people couldn't handle it and would go off the deep end if they seriously contemplated it, but at the same time, our Creative potential is infinite and the problem can be solved in an instant if We can Real-ize our True identity and the Spirit within.
Gnosticism, "gurus", and most religions and now quantum physics have all been giving clues and deeper knowledge, unfortunately there has also been alot of disinfo/misinfo mixed in with it so no one source to my knowledge is 100% reliable, Spirit awareness is the source of discernment.

The material is a result. The cause is a constant to maintain it. But not absolute in how it manifests. We are co-Creators that exist before this result.

That's definitely an explanation to why he was saying those things. But then the question is: when is he talking about the physical world and when about the spiritual world? For example: do you think that the theory about the moon being an artificial spacecraft is a metaphor too?

I don't understand why he would confuse the audience by saying "humans and animals didn't need to eat" when he could have said "spirits (or even our true nature) doesn't need to eat"? Why even make that comment about the atmosphere feeding living beings when it is already assumed that souls don't need to kill another soul in order to survive?

Either way, I'm going to have another look at it, but this time from a metaphoric point of view...

[novymir]

That's definitely an explanation to why he was saying those things. But then the question is: when is he talking about the physical world and when about the spiritual world? For example: do you think that the theory about the moon being an artificial spacecraft is a metaphor too?

I don't understand why he would confuse the audience by saying "humans and animals didn't need to eat" when he could have said "spirits (or even our true nature) doesn't need to eat"? Why even make that comment about the atmosphere feeding living beings when it is already assumed that souls don't need to kill another soul in order to survive?

Either way, I'm going to have another look at it, but this time from a metaphoric point of view...

Well, as far as the question of physical-Spiritual, they are just different expressions of the same thing. It's paradoxical, the "particle" and the "wave"..depending on perspective..ideally We can shift at will. I view what he's saying about the moon as an expression in "concrete" terms of an element or effect of the collective consciousness that we are having a problem with (and ultimately that problem is within ourSelf). That means, it may be like he says in concrete terms, but, it's still a type of projection/hologram created and/or occupied(or used as a prop/front/technological tool) by these Beings/entity.
But really I'm not speculating too much about it since I haven't read the book, just slightly incorporating(or contemplating) it into my current understanding.

Maybe he's just making an assumption of his audience, and also he may be just putting the idea out there in the consciousness to get it activated at this point??
We gotta read the book(or at least some reviews) to really be able to get a clearer picture.

[omnisense]

could be an ET mind control thing going on to stop the positive momentum actually credible claims might have eg: zionist jews/NWO.

I also dont buy the we didnt need food to survive thing... Why would we all have digestive systems... Including animals.......

[flyermay]

Well, as far as the question of physical-Spiritual, they are just different expressions of the same thing. It's paradoxical, the "particle" and the "wave"..depending on perspective..ideally We can shift at will. I view what he's saying about the moon as an expression in "concrete" terms of an element or effect of the collective consciousness that we are having a problem with (and ultimately that problem is within ourSelf). That means, it may be like he says in concrete terms, but, it's still a type of projection/hologram created and/or occupied(or used as a prop/front/technological tool) by these Beings/entity.
But really I'm not speculating too much about it since I haven't read the book, just slightly incorporating(or contemplating) it into my current understanding.

Maybe he's just making an assumption of his audience, and also he may be just putting the idea out there in the consciousness to get it activated at this point??
We gotta read the book(or at least some reviews) to really be able to get a clearer picture.

I'm watching the interview again, and for the deatails he gives he is definitely talking in physical terms about the Moon. He mentions the book "who built the moon" which talks about it in physical terms, and he also makes references to physical measures as a proof that there's something odd about the moon. I don't think he is speaking metaphorically during the whole interview; and when he does, he clarifies exactly what he means, like with the term "rebuild" in part 7.

could be an ET mind control thing going on to stop the positive momentum actually credible claims might have eg: zionist jews/NWO.

I also dont buy the we didnt need food to survive thing... Why would we all have digestive systems... Including animals.......

Yes, I also thought something of that sort must be happening. It is at this moment when the tuth-seeker movement was at its peak when all these controversial theories (controversial even for us) start to appear.

[bemore]

I truly in my heart believe that Alex Jones and David Icke in particular are all in it to make a living.

If TPTB have got away with everything for so long, have there fingers on the pulse of life and more recently technology, then they will forever be one step ahead of us.

Alex jones and Ickes theorys are just those. Theorys. The only difference between your theorys and there theorys is people have to pay to read/listen to theres.

You give yours away for free.

[flyermay]

I truly in my heart believe that Alex Jones and David Icke in particular are all in it to make a living.

If TPTB have got away with everything for so long, have there fingers on the pulse of life and more recently technology, then they will forever be one step ahead of us.

Alex jones and Ickes theorys are just those. Theorys. The only difference between your theorys and there theorys is people have to pay to read/listen to theres.

You give yours away for free.

Well, yes, I never had any doubt about that, but making a living of it doesn't mean he didn't say what he really believed or that it didn't match what is going on. In previous interviews and lectures from Icke I could agree with most of what he was saying (except for the part about repitiles, which I always left with a question mark). But now, it's the complete opposite: I can't relate to most of it.

And with Jones and Maxwell it's the same thing; I can't agree with what they are saying.

But I can see your point. It does looks like if all of them are trying too hard to keep on comming up with new theories.

[novymir]

I also dont buy the we didnt need food to survive thing... Why would we all have digestive systems... Including animals.......

Well, the body/physical is a projection of a Mind-Spirit, and, it is animated and sustained by THAT. Suppose that certain "others" figured out a way of tampering with that projection before it manifested? Intruding into the thought being projected? Just look at it like a beam of light=the thought energy, projected "outward" from the Source, and imagine it is not the only thing of that type, and suppose a different projected consciousness learned how to energetically modify the original thought at a different level, slightly before humans/earth actually are materialised? They could conceivably beam a thought-energy frequency or interferrence pattern from their realm into the beam of thought that created ours and create a need that our own minds would create the conditions and adaptation to fulfill. And this type of thoughtform/programing could and would spread through the consciousness-- meaning we would project it "outward" co-creating a paradigm such as we have.
If Beings exist outside of our "normal" perception, and have a knowledge about Us and how thought/energy can be manipulated, it would really be no big deal to corrupt our "reality" in a way that reflects and profits "Them".


There's just one little question about these Beings, are they really of a "higher dimension", or, what about 2 dimensional Beings being the real culprits? I know 2 dimensional thoughtform entities exist because I can see them, I think they are proxies/demons used as a weapon(black-magic/kaballah), maybe not all of them though...
Just throwing some things out there...

[bougz]

Lately I'm quite disappointed with their new videos and interviews. The last videos from David Icke, Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell give the impression that they have lost it. Is it only me, or other people are also wondering if all of them have lost it?

I was really disappointed with the last interview I saw of David Icke. I think I saw all of his lectures and I barely remember disagreeing with him. But in his last interview I couldn't stop thinking: "that can't be true", "what is he talking about?", "what makes him think that?"...

I always thought Alex Jones was exaggerating a lot and trying to scare the American public with what they most fear: communism. But at the same time I always thought he was more or less on the right track. However, lately he is just charging and insulting everyone, everyone is to blame: foreigners, leftists, environmentalists, liberals, even people with "morals". It's just ridiculous!

And Jordan Maxwell... well, I just saw his latest video and I don't think he is making any sense anymore; every little thing is a big deal, he makes contradictory statements, everything is proof of a communist plot that started in the Roman Empire, and so on. I was under the impression that: he wasn't really thinking what he was saying, or he had no idea of what he was talking about.

What's going on???

Mabye they finally struck the last nerve! And they now have been reprogrammed to not only mislead there "flock" but to like show those "the flock" to wise up. Its like that old saying your either with us or against us! That's what I believe those camps located in the outskirts of the states are waiting for! Like they say history repeats itself! This Holocaust wont fail!

[gaias child]

I also dont buy the we didnt need food to survive thing... Why would we all have digestive systems... Including animals.......

I don't believe everything Icke says either but actually I do believe that bit is possible because I've always sensed it myself, despite no one ever having told me.

Read Hilton Hotema he says lungs were much much bigger originally and we had all nourishment from breath and elements in the atmosphere, the stomach devloped later, and lungs shrank, it is evolution, obviously there is no proof of this but then as tptb keeping hiding the truth it is difficult to know what is the truth.

I guess that is why breath and deep breathing is always part of any spiritual practice and connection, it is about expanding our lungs

Humans without a shadow of a doubt are mutants anyway, we are the only creature who cannot live in the natural elements and cook our food and eat weird concoctions of foods because we are a slave to our addictions rather than mono eating naturally raw food like other creatures who are wild.

I know a few long termfruitarians one of them is the most healthy person I've ever seen, just glows.

[bluesworthy]

Lately I'm quite disappointed with their new videos and interviews. The last videos from David Icke, Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell give the impression that they have lost it. Is it only me, or other people are also wondering if all of them have lost it?

I was really disappointed with the last interview I saw of David Icke. I think I saw all of his lectures and I barely remember disagreeing with him. But in his last interview I couldn't stop thinking: "that can't be true", "what is he talking about?", "what makes him think that?"...

I always thought Alex Jones was exaggerating a lot and trying to scare the American public with what they most fear: communism. But at the same time I always thought he was more or less on the right track. However, lately he is just charging and insulting everyone, everyone is to blame: foreigners, leftists, environmentalists, liberals, even people with "morals". It's just ridiculous!

And Jordan Maxwell... well, I just saw his latest video and I don't think he is making any sense anymore; every little thing is a big deal, he makes contradictory statements, everything is proof of a communist plot that started in the Roman Empire, and so on. I was under the impression that: he wasn't really thinking what he was saying, or he had no idea of what he was talking about.

What's going on???

I think this has more to do with your personal evolution than the "conspiracy theorists". It says a lot about your ability to listen and decipher what is being said without just following blindly and accepting everything these people are saying. No one person is going to have the answer, nor are you going to agree with everything these people say. Francis Bacon's advice was to absorb as much information as possible and view everything as objectively as possible. The overall patterns are what you will be left with.

I can't help but feel sorry for someone who bows down to someone like David Icke and expects him to lead us to some sort of promise land. Just absorb the information he passes on and do with it what you will.

[novymir]

Logical conclusions and implications.

Rupert Sheldrake and Bruce Lipton - A Quest Beyond the Limits of the Ordinary (Part 1 of 10)
Rupert Sheldrake and Bruce Lipton - A Quest Beyond the Limits of the Ordinary (Part 1 of 10) - YouTube


Interesting and disturbing also;

"Rupert Sheldrake Stabbed in Santa Fe"
Rupert Sheldrake Stabbed in Santa Fe - YouTube

Can you say; MK-ULTRA??

[flyermay]

I don't believe everything Icke says either but actually I do believe that bit is possible because I've always sensed it myself, despite no one ever having told me.

Read Hilton Hotema he says lungs were much much bigger originally and we had all nourishment from breath and elements in the atmosphere, the stomach devloped later, and lungs shrank, it is evolution, obviously there is no proof of this but then as tptb keeping hiding the truth it is difficult to know what is the truth.

I guess that is why breath and deep breathing is always part of any spiritual practice and connection, it is about expanding our lungs

Humans without a shadow of a doubt are mutants anyway, we are the only creature who cannot live in the natural elements and cook our food and eat weird concoctions of foods because we are a slave to our addictions rather than mono eating naturally raw food like other creatures who are wild.

I know a few long termfruitarians one of them is the most healthy person I've ever seen, just glows.

But, if there is no proof, how can someone take it as a fact; isn't that just wishful thinking? Even if the PTB had anything to do with hiding evidences, there are many proofs that all animals had at least teeth (the older the bigger). So, why would animals, even those previous to humans, have teeth if they didn't need to eat and didn't even have digestive systems?

But it's not only the thing about eating, I saw it again yesterday and there are many other things too; like most of what he said about the moon. For example, he said that there are many strange things about the "physics" of the moon, like saying that it is 2.000 miles round, and that a natural satellite should only be 30 miles round. Where did he get that? It's well known that in physics that doesn't matter at all; only the distance from the earth, the mass and the speed matter. Then he also said that it's odd that from the earth the moon matches the size of the sun, and that you can check it during an eclipse; but that's also not true! When there is an eclipse there is a huge portion of the earth that's under the shadow of the moon, which means that it's far from being a match. The moon actually should be many thousands of Km further away for it to match the size of the sun. And on, and on, and on... there are too many things on that interview that don't make sense to me...

I think this has more to do with your personal evolution than the "conspiracy theorists". It says a lot about your ability to listen and decipher what is being said without just following blindly and accepting everything these people are saying. No one person is going to have the answer, nor are you going to agree with everything these people say. Francis Bacon's advice was to absorb as much information as possible and view everything as objectively as possible. The overall patterns are what you will be left with.

I can't help but feel sorry for someone who bows down to someone like David Icke and expects him to lead us to some sort of promise land. Just absorb the information he passes on and do with it what you will.

I'm willing to leave the some theories with a question mark (like the "reptilian"); after all there are no specific proofs that these inter-dimensional beings do not exist, though there are also no conclusive proofs that they do. But, when there are evidence to disprove a theory, there is no point in giving it the benefit of the doubt; like in the case of feeding of the atmosphere or the odd physics of the moon.

[exford]

OP, I think you are awakening from your awakening!

[flyermay]

OP, I think you are awakening from your awakening!

Never!!!

I will always be a conspiracy theoriest. :)

Just that from now on I'm going to be careful about what I believe. Which doesn't mean I now think Icke is wrong; I just think he is wrong in his latest theories.

[flyermay]

Logical conclusions and implications.

Rupert Sheldrake and Bruce Lipton - A Quest Beyond the Limits of the Ordinary (Part 1 of 10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yurzNF_Z3ec&feature=PlayList&p=C4B2BF9023E9B71A&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=33


Interesting and disturbing also;

"Rupert Sheldrake Stabbed in Santa Fe"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TaMvICAoT4&feature=related

Can you say; MK-ULTRA??

I can agree with that, but an organism reacting and adapting to the environment is not the same thing as saying that the whole animal kingdom on earth was feeding of the atmosphere.

[nectars]

Maybe you're falling behind the curve??

Maybe he's coming to his senses...

[novymir]

Maybe he's coming to his senses...

So I guess you're unaware that "reality" is based on Pragmatic Truth?

See and watch quoted video, yes,it is very relevant:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058805310&postcount=18

Mathematics is Pragmatic Truth--- time, space, logic, you name it..."history"... all just projections and manipulations,,, and "believed".

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"And he said, Come. And Peter went down from the boat, and walked upon the waters to come to Jesus"
Matthew 14:29
"But seeing the wind strong, he was afraid: and when he began to sink, he cried out, saying: Lord, save me"
Matthew 14:30
"And immediately Jesus stretching forth his hand took hold of him, and said to him: O thou of little faith, why didst thou doubt?"
Matthew 14:31

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[eternal1stparty]

Lately I'm quite disappointed with their new videos and interviews. The last videos from David Icke, Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell give the impression that they have lost it. Is it only me, or other people are also wondering if all of them have lost it?

I was really disappointed with the last interview I saw of David Icke. I think I saw all of his lectures and I barely remember disagreeing with him. But in his last interview I couldn't stop thinking: "that can't be true", "what is he talking about?", "what makes him think that?"...

I always thought Alex Jones was exaggerating a lot and trying to scare the American public with what they most fear: communism. But at the same time I always thought he was more or less on the right track. However, lately he is just charging and insulting everyone, everyone is to blame: foreigners, leftists, environmentalists, liberals, even people with "morals". It's just ridiculous!

And Jordan Maxwell... well, I just saw his latest video and I don't think he is making any sense anymore; every little thing is a big deal, he makes contradictory statements, everything is proof of a communist plot that started in the Roman Empire, and so on. I was under the impression that: he wasn't really thinking what he was saying, or he had no idea of what he was talking about.

What's going on???

because those guys are the shills and pretty soon shit is actually going down.....

Now its time for them to confuse us.

[nectars]

So I guess you're unaware that "reality" is based on Pragmatic Truth?

See and watch quoted video, yes,it is very relevant:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058805310&postcount=18

Mathematics is Pragmatic Truth--- time, space, logic, you name it..."history"... all just projections,,, and "believed".

"Senses" wasn't meant literally.

I'm "aware" of enough, though I dont go for the label of it being typically "pragmatic". It can appear though as such for reasons other than is commonly associated, i.e., the illusion(apparency) of "causality".

Truth Is, it has no need for pragmatism.

[novymir]

"Senses" wasn't meant literally.

I'm "aware" of enough, though I dont go for the label of it being typically "pragmatic". It can appear though as such for reasons other than is commonly associated, i.e., the illusion(apparency) of "causality".

Truth Is, it has no need for pragmatism.

There is only ONE Truth, and that's All There Is. I AM THAT I AM. All else is projection. There is nothing else by which to "measure" or compare to, therefore Truth beyond THAT is whatever is "believed" to be True, and thus; manifested as "real"..

[flyermay]

There is only ONE Truth, and that's All There Is. I AM THAT I AM. All else is projection. There is nothing else by which to "measure" or compare to, therefore Truth beyond THAT is whatever is "believed" to be True, and thus; manifested as "real"..

But then, according to that philosophy, what's the point of talking, discussing or theorising about anything? Why even have a truth-seeker movement, conspiracy theorists, or a forum?

I can agree that people can perceive things in a different way, that sometimes scientists get things wrong and that even the whole world also can believe things that are not true. But if we are to discuss any subject we have to set some bases, and that's what Icke does when he says that the physics of the Moon are odd; he is talking about the 'physics' that are measurable and common to all of us (and not to his personal projection). But then, if he bases his theory on those 'physics', common to all of us, then he must recognise that in those terms those statements are incorrect, and therefore his theory doesn't stand.

[novymir]

But then, according to that philosophy, what's the point of talking, discussing or theorising about anything? Why even have a truth-seeker movement, conspiracy theorists, or a forum?

I can agree that people can perceive things in a different way, that sometimes scientists get things wrong and that even the whole world also can believe things that are not true. But if we are to discuss any subject we have to set some bases, and that's what Icke does when he says that the physics of the Moon are odd; he is talking about the 'physics' that are measurable and common to all of us (and not to his personal projection). But then, if he bases his theory on those 'physics', common to all of us, then he must recognise that in those terms those statements are incorrect, and therefore his theory doesn't stand.

It's not a philosophy, it's how 'reality" functions. And I'm not talking about James' spin on it, I'm talking about "seeing" is not believing, believing is seeing...
That's just the way it is... but, we've got certain "others" whom have wrested control of this "reality" and set themselves up as 'GOD", they are projecting the limits and their predatory/parasitic characteristics of this "reality" into our collective mind.
"History" is not reliable... "They" can project just about anything into our minds. "They" are not bound to the same limits as we are, they can manipulate our "reality" from outside of it.

The Truth of Pragmatic "reality" is simple to deal with. Intend no harm, do no harm, is something of benefit to One at the expense of another or others? Is something of benefit to One and ALL?
Is that "restrictive" oppressive"?
Why do you think Icke said; "Infinite Love is the Only Truth, everything else is illusion"?
PRAGMATIC REALITY. It does not have to be that way...it can be "infinite hate is the only truth, everything else is illusion". We are THE ONE, We make up THE ONE, but there is an aspect of THE ONE that does hate and is trying to make that the Truth of THE ONE.

It does not matter to me if this "moon matrix" stuff is concrete or not, I Know "They/It" exists and I know what they've been doing to humanity is setting Us up for a harvest...that's whats coming, and those who do not know any better are going to be consumed and assimilated. The crop is nearly ripe.
Spirit awareness , Knowledge of TrueSelf is the only thing that can save Us.
The predatory--supremacist basis of Life will draw that to those who are immersed within it. Others will have the Knowing and trust in Spirit to shift out and into a different "reality".

Maybe divine intervention will save ALL, I'm not much concerned about myself-- if the predatory/parasitic(supremacism, corporatism, elitism) reality is all there is I would rather cease to exist then anyways...But I don't believe that.

I Am guided by the Spirit of Love-Forgiveness-Life=TRUTH,, that which conflicts with It is Error. That is my Pragmatic Truth inspired by THAT part of THE SOURCE that I AM.

[darkman]

theyve moved on from the usuall theorys now all they ever did was plant the seed with you , now its up to you to plant the seed in others alot of catching up to do i still feel speshly on this forum , icke and jones have become ist,s which is not what they wanted now they have to move on with new theorys to keep the motion going.
all we would be all stuck in the river not even getting to
the other side

[pound]

theyve moved on from the usuall theorys now all they ever did was plant the seed with you , now its up to you to plant the seed in others alot of catching up to do i still feel speshly on this forum , icke and jones have become ist,s which is not what they wanted now they have to move on with new theorys to keep the motion going.
all we would be all stuck in the river not even getting to
the other side


Im still finding myself reviewing and retaining to memory stuff that Icke wrote 15 years ago. His books and presentations are truly a wealth of knowledge that one really needs to save and put aside to pour over again and again...as the subjects he was laughed at for revealing, initially, just seem to become 'reality' more and more as the days pass.

I really don't mind that AJ (although Im still waiting for AJ to address the more 'spiritual aspects of the multi-faceted deception) and Icke are not coming forth with too many new POV's. In Icke's case his new Moon revelations are enough IMO to keep his true die hard fans satisfied. Its still very possible to come out with new insights and different interpretations on subjects that are considered to be 'old hat'.

[nectars]

There is nothing else by which to "measure" or compare to, therefore Truth beyond THAT is whatever is "believed" to be True, and thus; manifested as "real"..

Beneath and not beyond. Relative truth changes, Truth Reality doesn't; if it changes then it wasn't true(or real) to begin with.

[novymir]

Beneath and not beyond. Relative truth changes, Truth Reality doesn't; if it changes then it wasn't true(or real) to begin with.

"Physics" (and math-based science, and everything derived from) fits into that "relative" Truth...

"No changes are permanent, but change is..."
Unfolding conscious awareness of SELF. IT already Knows ALL= unchangeable , but, IT is Infinitely discovering and realizing IT's Infinite nature="change".
Pragmatic and Paradoxical.
Wave and Particle.


IT is now aware of this problem within, and is coming to terms with it. As We All should be. People talk about some 'all-loving "GOD" bla-bla-bla,, if they want an all-loving 'GOD" they best practice what they preach to that "GOD". How they think and Be will determine what "GOD" Is. Again, Pragmatism.
Hypocrisy ain't gonna cut it, and the Law of Attraction is brutally "objective", as they say, "ignorance" is no excuse for breaking the law... "what comes around, goes around"...
People that treat the Earth and animal-Beings and each other like shit without repentence and applying the intent and will to eliminate that attitude and behavior, of taking without giving back, supremacism, are going to find out they are not at the "top of the food chain".

Well, I Am quite certain the whole projected basis of life "here-Now", as I'm typing, is BOGUS (not in the sense of illusory, but in the sense of a SCAM being perpetrated, by the ordo-ab-chao club). And I ain't playing that game anymore, little by little, bit by bit, I'm outa here. Come what may. I will not willingly submit to false-authority, I Am an expression of The Authority, the only ONE, as such my Being refutes the idea that "might makes right" and predation is the supreme Law governing THE ALL.


ps, you wanna know who/what consciousness edited and produced the bible all you have to do is look in revelations, where it says the "anti-christ" system will prohibit the eating of meat... at the same time "Them/It" do not comprehend the Truths within it which explains why those Truths were not deleted.
so,, vegetarianism/veganism, breatharians, fruitarians, whatever..., are projected to be "satanic" to the duped so-called "Christians" (and a "morality" derived from or a remnant remaing of that thoughtform/program within "society" expressed from a different angle)... their predatory/parasitic deity knew what was coming because this is just one more cycle to be repeated...

[whiterain]

That's definitely an explanation to why he was saying those things. But then the question is: when is he talking about the physical world and when about the spiritual world? For example: do you think that the theory about the moon being an artificial spacecraft is a metaphor too?

I don't understand why he would confuse the audience by saying "humans and animals didn't need to eat" when he could have said "spirits (or even our true nature) doesn't need to eat"? Why even make that comment about the atmosphere feeding living beings when it is already assumed that souls don't need to kill another soul in order to survive?

Either way, I'm going to have another look at it, but this time from a metaphoric point of view...

that is a tricky part of ickes work and one he doesnt make clear enough. probably because he see's the physical as just another small part of the true spiritual reality and not really at all seperate from it?

[rubenganja]

Remember we as a individuals are looking at reality from a perspective we have experienced and most people haven't experienced anything to say that this stuff is for real in my case I persanoly saw a ufo it was like 200 feet high and I seen a chair shaped craft (no joke) it changed shapes and then it dissapeared, my brother and my mom also seen it, we were traveling to pinnacles in california and it was in the afternoon it happened in 2003 i was 12 we talked about it clearly shocked because of the way it looked, changed shaped, the way it moved, how it gave out no noise and how it dissapeared. PS it had no wings and no blades. I probably wouldn't believe in aliens and ufos if it wasn't for this incredible experience. Most americans are going to have a rude awakening from their lives of conditioning and propaganda that what you see happening in suburbs (nothing) is what is happening around the world.

[nectars]

"Physics" (and math-based science, and everything derived from) fits into that "relative" Truth...

"No changes are permanent, but change is..."
Unfolding conscious awareness of SELF. IT already Knows ALL= unchangeable , but, IT is Infinitely discovering and realizing IT's Infinite nature="change".
Pragmatic and Paradoxical.
Wave and Particle.


IT is now aware of this problem within, and is coming to terms with it. As We All should be. People talk about some 'all-loving "GOD" bla-bla-bla,, if they want an all-loving 'GOD" they best practice what they preach to that "GOD". How they think and Be will determine what "GOD" Is. Again, Pragmatism.
Hypocrisy ain't gonna cut it, and the Law of Attraction is brutally "objective", as they say, "ignorance" is no excuse for breaking the law... "what comes around, goes around"...
People that treat the Earth and animal-Beings and each other like shit without repentence and applying the intent and will to eliminate that attitude and behavior, of taking without giving back, supremacism, are going to find out they are not at the "top of the food chain".

Well, I Am quite certain the whole projected basis of life "here-Now", as I'm typing, is BOGUS (not in the sense of illusory, but in the sense of a SCAM being perpetrated, by the ordo-ab-chao club). And I ain't playing that game anymore, little by little, bit by bit, I'm outa here. Come what may. I will not willingly submit to false-authority, I Am an expression of The Authority, the only ONE, as such my Being refutes the idea that "might makes right" and predation is the supreme Law governing THE ALL.

You have quite a unique perspective on this which is seldom witnessed here. Some of it I agree with and some not, though I really have no interest in trying to convince you otherwise.

Do you know the Supreme Law?(I'm not asking for a lesson on it btw, just curious whether you do or not)

"ps, you wanna know who/what consciousness edited and produced the bible all you have to do is look in revelations, where it says the "anti-christ" system will prohibit the eating of meat... at the same time "Them/It" do not comprehend the Truths within it which explains why those Truths were not deleted.
so,, vegetarianism/veganism, breatharians, fruitarians, whatever..., are projected to be "satanic" to the duped so-called "Christians" (and a "morality" derived from or a remnant remaing of that thoughtform/program within "society" expressed from a different angle)... their predatory/parasitic deity knew what was coming because this is just one more cycle to be repeated...

It makes no difference as "they"(they all being "I" in respect to both Self/God and the ego) were blinded to what it was really teaching and left the entire teaching in open view. Granted, they did add alot of nonsense though.

Revelations as taken literally is a distortion of Truth as the message contained within it like with all other Bible teachings is symbolic and not literal. The "anti-christ" I've found is a fiction. Unless your refering to Baal(which is not a deity) then all caliming of their being and "anti-christ" merely says that the identity of the Christ is unknown to the one claiming such.

[dusthead]

Lately I'm quite disappointed with their new videos and interviews. The last videos from David Icke, Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell give the impression that they have lost it. Is it only me, or other people are also wondering if all of them have lost it?

I was really disappointed with the last interview I saw of David Icke. I think I saw all of his lectures and I barely remember disagreeing with him. But in his last interview I couldn't stop thinking: "that can't be true", "what is he talking about?", "what makes him think that?"...

I always thought Alex Jones was exaggerating a lot and trying to scare the American public with what they most fear: communism. But at the same time I always thought he was more or less on the right track. However, lately he is just charging and insulting everyone, everyone is to blame: foreigners, leftists, environmentalists, liberals, even people with "morals". It's just ridiculous!

And Jordan Maxwell... well, I just saw his latest video and I don't think he is making any sense anymore; every little thing is a big deal, he makes contradictory statements, everything is proof of a communist plot that started in the Roman Empire, and so on. I was under the impression that: he wasn't really thinking what he was saying, or he had no idea of what he was talking about.

What's going on???

It's like when rock bands run out of ideas. Metallica have been consistently rubbish since 1991. I suppose it's quite a dilemma if you have been passionately fighting for a cause for decades and then you wake up one morning and all you care about is what to put on your toast.

If I were one of these people, I'd probably start rambling a bit too. Especially if I ran out of ideas -

Did I tell you the one about 9/11? I did? For 8 hours? Shit! I desperately need some new material here.

Additionally, when you have a daily job informing the public about what the powers that be are up to you have to constantly be in possession of clandestine information. That ain't easy in our obsessive online world. Everyone knows everything about everything. So the topics become increasingly obscure in attempts to impress with rare snippets of stuff 'they don't want you to know'. Hence -

Did I tell you the one about the moon?

Also, some of these people just get incredibly angry that the world still hasn't woken up and just decide that they hate everything (see Alex Jones). Those are the people you generally avoid at parties.

The times they are a-changin'.

[flyermay]

"Physics" (and math-based science, and everything derived from) fits into that "relative" Truth...

"No changes are permanent, but change is..."
Unfolding conscious awareness of SELF. IT already Knows ALL= unchangeable , but, IT is Infinitely discovering and realizing IT's Infinite nature="change".
Pragmatic and Paradoxical.
Wave and Particle.

But, can't you see the paradox on saying "physics is a relative truth", and on the next phrase put as an example "wave and particles"? I mean, how do you know that ELM is a wave and a particle at the same time, if "physics" are relative?

that is a tricky part of ickes work and one he doesnt make clear enough. probably because he see's the physical as just another small part of the true spiritual reality and not really at all seperate from it?

And this is exactly what I'm talking about in the case of Icke, he (and those who believe his theories) often quote scientific research to prove a point. But then, when the theory doesn't make sense in scientific terms, then it's because it's not about physics anymore.

It's this mixture between science and metaphysics that I'm not convinced about. When it's convenient we do listen to science and we believe in the laws of physics, but when it's not convenient, then scientists are idiots, the PTB tampered with the research, or we are not talking about physics anymore (we talk about metaphysics).

Just another example: Icke says that scientists proved that atoms are 99% empty space, and he uses that same theory to say that scientists are idiots because they believe matter is solid. Do you see the contradiction in doing that? The scientists are right when their research fits his theory, and then they are wrong when it doesn't fits.

Remember we as a individuals are looking at reality from a perspective we have experienced and most people haven't experienced anything to say that this stuff is for real in my case I persanoly saw a ufo it was like 200 feet high and I seen a chair shaped craft (no joke) it changed shapes and then it dissapeared, my brother and my mom also seen it, we were traveling to pinnacles in california and it was in the afternoon it happened in 2003 i was 12 we talked about it clearly shocked because of the way it looked, changed shaped, the way it moved, how it gave out no noise and how it dissapeared. PS it had no wings and no blades. I probably wouldn't believe in aliens and ufos if it wasn't for this incredible experience. Most americans are going to have a rude awakening from their lives of conditioning and propaganda that what you see happening in suburbs (nothing) is what is happening around the world.

It's not that everyone should believe every theory or none. You can believe UFO visit the earth and do not believe the Moon was created by aliens. I mean, the reasons why Icke believes the moon is artificial don't make sense to me, but the reasons why people believe in UFOs do make sense.

By the way, Welcome to the forum.

It's like when rock bands run out of ideas. Metallica have been consistently rubbish since 1991. I suppose it's quite a dilemma if you have been passionately fighting for a cause for decades and then you wake up one morning and all you care about is what to put on your toast.

If I were one of these people, I'd probably start rambling a bit too. Especially if I ran out of ideas -

Did I tell you the one about 9/11? I did? For 8 hours? Shit! I desperately need some new material here.

Additionally, when you have a daily job informing the public about what the powers that be are up to you have to constantly be in possession of clandestine information. That ain't easy in our obsessive online world. Everyone knows everything about everything. So the topics become increasingly obscure in attempts to impress with rare snippets of stuff 'they don't want you to know'. Hence -

Did I tell you the one about the moon?

Also, some of these people just get incredibly angry that the world still hasn't woken up and just decide that they hate everything (see Alex Jones). Those are the people you generally avoid at parties.

The times they are a-changin'.

The problem that I see (and the reason why I'm a bit worried) is because all this new stuff is going to set back many people about the truth-seeker and anti-NWO movements; not to mention people not "waking up" anymore.

I understand that they might need to keep on coming up with new stuff, if this is their only job. But they have to realise that if they come up with stuff that doesn't stand up (Icke/Maxwell), or piss off and charge against everyone (Jones) they are going to throw away all the good hard work they did all these years.

It's like they don't care anymore about that "critical mass" that they said had to wake up to end the NWO.

[crystalline]

I sometimes wonder about what the true motivations are for Icke et al.

Particularly when the theorising starts to get that little bit more leftfield. Just when mainstream start to take notice, he ( Icke) is at serious risk of throwing it all away with something as far out as the whole artificial moon thing. Why would he want to put himself up for that ridicule again? It reminds me of the whole torquoise shell suit and Terry Wogan incident again...:o

[nirvana]

WAKE UP


No one really knows the full picture . What happens is researchers go down the rabbit hole and get lost in the realm of imagination.;)

Here is a vid that is a very advanced teaching:)


bob marley - one love - YouTube

[subl1minal]

I sometimes wonder about what the true motivations are for Icke et al.

Particularly when the theorising starts to get that little bit more leftfield. Just when mainstream start to take notice, he ( Icke) is at serious risk of throwing it all away with something as far out as the whole artificial moon thing. Why would he want to put himself up for that ridicule again? It reminds me of the whole torquoise shell suit and Terry Wogan incident again...:o

But he has no interest in what other people think, just what his intuition is leading him too. He says it himself ALL the time.

And it's our duty not to follow him or to believe everything he says, just take what resonates with us the most and leave the rest as a possibility. I love how people say that they think Icke is losing it, but it's like... where have you been?? his stuff has always been FAR out there and when he explains it, it makes sense.

[crystalline]

But he has no interest in what other people think, just what his intuition is leading him too. He says it himself ALL the time.

And it's our duty not to follow him or to believe everything he says, just take what resonates with us the most and leave the rest as a possibility. I love how people say that they think Icke is losing it, but it's like... where have you been?? his stuff has always been FAR out there and when he explains it, it makes sense.


?????????
I never said or even implied Icke was losing it. What I did say is that I sometimes wonder what the motivations are.;)

[dusthead]

The problem that I see (and the reason why I'm a bit worried) is because all this new stuff is going to set back many people about the truth-seeker and anti-NWO movements; not to mention people not "waking up" anymore.

I understand that they might need to keep on coming up with new stuff, if this is their only job. But they have to realise that if they come up with stuff that doesn't stand up (Icke/Maxwell), or piss off and charge against everyone (Jones) they are going to throw away all the good hard work they did all these years.

It's like they don't care anymore about that "critical mass" that they said had to wake up to end the NWO.

The concept of the NWO will never work, for exactly the same reasons that people on this forum cannot convince the world that their alternative vision is the way forward.

You can't convince all the people all the time. Cheesey but true.

David Icke and Alex Jones make a living. Paradoxically, If they pay taxes a lttle of what they earn goes towards their respective governments.

As for the 'good work' -It's still out there. As a metaphor, I hate Metallica's Load album, but I can always go back and listen to Master Of Puppets whenever I want to.

[flyermay]

The concept of the NWO will never work, for exactly the same reasons that people on this forum cannot convince the world that their alternative vision is the way forward.

You can't convince all the people all the time. Cheesey but true.

David Icke and Alex Jones make a living. Paradoxically, If they pay taxes a lttle of what they earn goes towards their respective governments.

As for the 'good work' -It's still out there. As a metaphor, I hate Metallica's Load album, but I can always go back and listen to Master Of Puppets whenever I want to.

Yes, that's true. But you don't need to convince everyone. There will always be those who are fine with following a ruling elite; whatever it is they are up to. But the point is not to convert everyone of any particular vision, but to exert enough pressure to have everyone's opinion taken into account; and I’m pretty sure most wouldn't want a NWO if they knew what it’s all about.

That's what democracy is all about (though many forgot): it's not about everyone supporting or going against our governments, it is to expose and to gain enough popular support against our rulers' attempts to take more power out of the hands of the people. And Icke and Jones have been very good at exposing their plans for a tyrannical NWO.

The people don't even need to agree in anything; they just need to be watchful of what our governments and the elite are up to, as they always tend towards tyranny. Obviously, the people are not going to get the facts from the MSM, so if alternative channels (Icke, Jones, etc) lose credibility, then... well, you know... we'll have a brand New World Order.

[clearlyenlight]

These public "New Agey" preachers are a part of the deception as a preparation strategy for the NWO.

[flyermay]

These public "New Agey" preachers are a part of the deception as a preparation strategy for the NWO.

So I suppose you are suggesting that they are there just to confuse everyone. But, how would that prepare the world for the NWO?

[orage]

So I suppose you are suggesting that they are there just to confuse everyone. But, how would that prepare the world for the NWO?

New Age has a lineage: Blavatsky-Steiner-Krishnamurti-Crowley-Bailey

Or by organization: (Rosecrucian) Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia- Theosophical Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -Thule Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Anthroposophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia- Ordo Templi Orientis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_Trust (UN)

In part because of this presence of Lucis Trust in the United Nations System, along with explicit reference by former Assistant Secretary General Robert Muller in his writings to Bailey's philosophy, some have accused the UN of having a New Age ideology and agenda

Consider Bailey's The Externalization of the Hierarchy (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/externalisation/contents.html)


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[orage]

WAKE UP


Strange, I've heard the call before...


http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/germdeuwakeupflag01.jpg

weird stuff...

[alder]

Logical conclusions and implications.

Rupert Sheldrake and Bruce Lipton - A Quest Beyond the Limits of the Ordinary (Part 1 of 10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yurzNF_Z3ec&feature=PlayList&p=C4B2BF9023E9B71A&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=33


Interesting and disturbing also;

"Rupert Sheldrake Stabbed in Santa Fe"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TaMvICAoT4&feature=related

Can you say; MK-ULTRA??

Interesting videos. Is there actual footage of Sheldrake getting attacked?