View Full Version : The Conspiracy Movement HAS to step it up NOW!
devin
06-10-2007, 10:54 PM
Where are we going? More and more people are "waking up" about the New World Order and various other conspiracy theories everyday, but things are getting worse. How much longer are we going to take other people's words for it?! I believe it was David Icke who once said in one of his lectures something like "Believing is seeing" and not the other way around. Well how many of you have believed in reptilians for over a year now and still have not seen one? How about 5 years? How about since David Icke first came out in the public about it? And don't count those RIDICULOUS videos on youtube. Look at how pathetic we "truth seekers" are. We spend hours on these sites looking at people's pupils to see if they changed or not! Imagine if you knew that reptilians were real two years a go. Think of all the time you could have saved instead of endless speculation, debate, and youtube watching!!! The more I get into this stuff the more I believe we are all being played. WE HAVE TO DISCOVER THINGS ON OUR OWN NOW.
By now, the majority of the time I spend on the internet and the books I read have become as useless as watching re-runs of Seinfeld on T.V. I'm sure many of you feel the same way - I've seen a few posts of people in this forum saying they are fed up with all of this and I don't blame them. I am completely fed up with all these books, documentaries, radio shows, etc... The time has come for us to step it up a notch. To break free from a society where we have been conditioned through the fictional stories we read and see on the screen that good always overcomes evil (what a clever idea to keep us apathetic and overconfident!) We have been conditioned to believe that the evil side is active and tangible whereas the good side is always subtle. We are not awake!
How do we figure out this stuff on our own? Well first of all I believe we have got to get over our amnesia. That means remembering our past lives, why we came here, who we really are, etc... Second of all is that we need to be in constant communication with higher beings (not authors/speakers here on earth who confuse us without mercy.) How can we accomplish these things? Astral Projection. Don't shrug it off as some cheap little trick or some smoke and mirrors type thing. The only way we can overcome this nightmare is to get our OWN answers and the astral world has the answers we currently need. All the books, videos, articles, radio shows, poems, songs, documentaries in every universe cannot give us knowledge... only experience can give us knowledge. These conspiracy writers, either intentionally or not, are wasting our time and keeping us unproductive! Nothing is being done, ABSOLOUTELY NOTHING.
I think it would be a great idea if someone who was an expert at OBEs could maybe suggest an free online course for all of us to take. We then could take this course all at the same time and report our successes and offer tips. Why do this all together and talk about it? Because once we see other people succeeding at it, our chances will greatly increase. Also the fact that we are all connected... there are many advantages to this and I probably don't need to explain to you why it would be more effective if we all did it together.
Let's take a break from these conspiracy writers for awhile and let's not come back to them until we actually have real knowledge. Time is running out and we are going to get SO screwed along with the people we so ignorantly and cruelly call "sheeple." We're on the same ship and we are all going down if we don't get off our asses right now.
What do you think? Will someone who is an expert on OBEs come forward?
rossus
06-10-2007, 11:20 PM
Where are we going? More and more people are "waking up" about the New World Order and various other conspiracy theories everyday, but things are getting worse. How much longer are we going to take other people's words for it?! I believe it was David Icke who once said in one of his lectures something like "Believing is seeing" and not the other way around. Well how many of you have believed in reptilians for over a year now and still have not seen one? How about 5 years? How about since David Icke first came out in the public about it? And don't count those RIDICULOUS videos on youtube. Look at how pathetic we "truth seekers" are. We spend hours on these sites looking at people's pupils to see if they changed or not! Imagine if you knew that reptilians were real two years a go. Think of all the time you could have saved instead of endless speculation, debate, and youtube watching!!! The more I get into this stuff the more I believe we are all being played. WE HAVE TO DISCOVER THINGS ON OUR OWN NOW.
By now, the majority of the time I spend on the internet and the books I read have become as useless as watching re-runs of Seinfeld on T.V. I'm sure many of you feel the same way - I've seen a few posts of people in this forum saying they are fed up with all of this and I don't blame them. I am completely fed up with all these books, documentaries, radio shows, etc... The time has come for us to step it up a notch. To break free from a society where we have been conditioned through the fictional stories we read and see on the screen that good always overcomes evil (what a clever idea to keep us apathetic and overconfident!) We have been conditioned to believe that the evil side is active and tangible whereas the good side is always subtle. We are not awake!
agreed
How do we figure out this stuff on our own? Well first of all I believe we have got to get over our amnesia. That means remembering our past lives, why we came here, who we really are, etc... Second of all is that we need to be in constant communication with higher beings (not authors/speakers here on earth who confuse us without mercy.) How can we accomplish these things? Astral Projection. Don't shrug it off as some cheap little trick or some smoke and mirrors type thing. The only way we can overcome this nightmare is to get our OWN answers and the astral world has the answers we currently need. All the books, videos, articles, radio shows, poems, songs, documentaries in every universe cannot give us knowledge... only experience can give us knowledge. These conspiracy writers, either intentionally or not, are wasting our time and keeping us unproductive! Nothing is being done, ABSOLOUTELY NOTHING.
I think it would be a great idea if someone who was an expert at OBEs could maybe suggest an free online course for all of us to take. We then could take this course all at the same time and report our successes and offer tips. Why do this all together and talk about it? Because once we see other people succeeding at it, our chances will greatly increase. Also the fact that we are all connected... there are many advantages to this and I probably don't need to explain to you why it would be more effective if we all did it together.
Let's take a break from these conspiracy writers for awhile and let's not come back to them until we actually have real knowledge. Time is running out and we are going to get SO screwed along with the people we so ignorantly and cruelly call "sheeple." We're on the same ship and we are all going down if we don't get off our asses right now.
What do you think? Will someone who is an expert on OBEs come forward?
how is astral projection or OBE going to help us get rid of the NWO dude? :p
lottie
06-10-2007, 11:31 PM
I think those that are ready to move on are those that see that the conspiracies within government are not the bigger picture.... there's an even bigger picture beyond the conspiracy theories....
devin
06-10-2007, 11:33 PM
agreed
how is astral projection or OBE going to help us get rid of the NWO dude? :p
Not just astral projection but I believe that is the most important right now. All of our psychic abilities that have been beaten out of us since childhood, if regained, will help us raise our conciousness to the point where all doubt and fear vanish and we refuse to play the game anymore. Imagine millions of people all over the world absoloutely refusing to pay income tax! Imagine people growing their own food and be completely independent and have no obligations to ANY government! A BOOK is not going to get people to get off their asses. An EXPERIENCE will. Even if it is just one experience. What if you were to astral project, go to your guides, and then remember why you came here? Maybe, just maybe you are not doing what you came here to do? Could that be a possibility? Astral projection will get us over our amnesia and once we truly find out who we are (not told by someone else) and we re-learn our powers they will have no chance! none.
thetonic
06-10-2007, 11:33 PM
Let us not forget the possibility that waking up more people to a "conspiracy" might be the reason there is a bigger conspiracy= things get worse... Im just playing dvls advocate here..but what if?:confused:
joss classey
06-10-2007, 11:34 PM
i can recommend some terence mckenna for guidance
devin
06-10-2007, 11:36 PM
i can recommend some terence mckenna for guidance
I definitely agree with that. Though if you were to see me a week a go I might not have.
auron
06-10-2007, 11:41 PM
i can recommend some terence mckenna for guidance
Can i recommend some of these sir??
http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/Freshly-Picked-Shrooms.jpg
Mushroom FAQ:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_faq.shtml
(Go on Rossus, go ahead and bust my balls for suggesting it. lol :D)
cheeb
06-10-2007, 11:46 PM
Can i recommend some of these sir??
http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/Freshly-Picked-Shrooms.jpg
Mushroom FAQ:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_faq.shtml
(Go on Rossus, go ahead and bust my balls for suggesting it. lol :D)
Our little fungal freinds are out and about round here at the moment,
I am going out searching tommorow,
To get a load for the next meetup!!!
:D
lottie
06-10-2007, 11:50 PM
Our little fungal freinds are out and about round here at the moment,
I am going out searching tommorow,
To get a load for the next meetup!!!
:D
go on son!! ;)
cheeb
06-10-2007, 11:53 PM
go on son!! ;)
I'm On to it already Mum!!
:D
auron
06-10-2007, 11:58 PM
Our little fungal freinds are out and about round here at the moment,
I am going out searching tommorow,
To get a load for the next meetup!!!
:D
I had some last week, man it was such a beautiful experience!
Oh, you don't want to be gathering any for the meet up. It's illegal, and Nature should be offically be behind bars now for 7 years for "intent to supply".
That's right people! The drug laws are totally fucked!! And so are the people that come up with them!
razed1
06-10-2007, 11:58 PM
agreed
how is astral projection or OBE going to help us get rid of the NWO dude? :p
cause the ultimate truth on earth is that theyve waged a war on CONSCIOUSNESS
and consciousness isnt necessarily physical
but the lesson im learning is to integrate the phsyical with the non-physical
if that made any sense 2 u
auron
07-10-2007, 12:00 AM
Makes perfect sense mate! :)
cheeb
07-10-2007, 12:04 AM
I had some last week, man it was such a beautiful experience!
Oh, you don't want to be gathering any for the meet up. It's illegal, and Nature should be offically be behind bars now for 7 years for "intent to supply".
That's right people! The drug laws are totally fucked!! And so are the people that come up with them!
Mother Nature is committing a crime,
Gaia is a drug dealer,
LOL!!!
:eek:
lydia78
07-10-2007, 12:07 AM
Mother Nature is committing a crime,
Gaia is a drug dealer,
LOL!!!
:eek:
465
You should be ashamed of yourself!!LOL
auron
07-10-2007, 12:07 AM
Mother Nature is committing a crime,
Gaia is a drug dealer,
LOL!!!
:eek:
So true!!
I'll have to try calling the cops sometime, and say "I can see one of those evil mushrooms i saw on Sky News outside. Come and remove it!!"
Of course there would be no mushrooms on their arrival. :D
cheeb
07-10-2007, 12:25 AM
So true!!
I'll have to try calling the cops sometime, and say "I can see one of those evil mushrooms i saw on Sky News outside. Come and remove it!!"
Of course there would be no mushrooms on their arrival. :D
Crimewatch photofit:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7623/mushrooms225gl6.jpg
Don't have nightmares!!
:eek:
devin
07-10-2007, 12:38 AM
I have been very anti-drug my entire life and I used to consider plants as drugs. However I took psilocybin for the first time ever a week a go today at exactly the same time I am typing this and I must say it was a very positive experience and I really took a hard look at myself - just as Terrence McKenna said happens. However, I'm moving on. I did the experience, I learned a lot from it but in my opinion doing it regularly would be unproductive.
On a different note... The most important thing we can do to fight the new world order is expand our consciousness... and that is the thing that we overlook the most. Look at how many threads are in the psychic forum on this site. Then look at how many threads are in the "Today's news" forum. Even we "new-age hippy freaks" don't take psychic abilities seriously. We think that talking about the news and conspiracies is the answer to enlightenment.
One of the greatest things they did to us was isolate us. We no longer have communities, we no longer know our neighbors... we are all in our own little boxes and that is dangerous. We are at a point where the only way we can come together is to expand our own consciousness and go and help others do the same as quickly as we can. Drop the psilocybin and start handing out ayahuasca tea.
alexph777
07-10-2007, 12:40 AM
Thanks for your posting and I agree - but your subject I initially misinturpreted as more fear based stories and a crusade against the illuminati, etc.
You see - if you imagine your awareness like the ocean. Within it there are eddies or whirlpools. These vortices are stories passing through your awareness. You can observe these stories and let them pass through and try to see beyond the story itself. Or you can identify with them and end up being sucked in and going round and round like an infinite loop or a carousel. In this state you would be forever identifying stories within it and feeding the vortex itself. On the physical level this would be expressed as continually researching and identifying with stories and experiences that reflect this on another level. Backed up with holographic inserts - once you have inraveled one consipracy there is another one waiting for you just around the corner.
Its time to jump of the figgin carousel!
Bare with me if I'm not making any sense my mind is flooding with new and different ways with looking at life. I don't know where it is leading but I seem to be walking away from conspiracies. Or rather not identifying with them anymore. I think its important to understand 'problem-reaction-solution' and that we are being manipulated, etc, and to get the bare bones.
In David's newletter is said on conspiracies, "I am beginning to see what you might call the 'conspiracy research movement' going around and around in a circular motion and it needs to move on, too."
Shit! I was saying that earlier on about nearly a year ago! Or in my own words the conspiracies is just another religion. As soon as I read that quote above I felt in my heart that I was flying.
The following website and body of research may help you. I bought the courses myself and I'm working through them now. However, we came into this world with all the necessary 'equipment' to overcome all the dark cloak of fear that we are wearing. And one needs no psychedelic, technological or meditative attire to awaken to the Infinite and Zero/Infinite Point Energy within that we all carry.
www.probablefuture.com
:cool:
devin
07-10-2007, 12:49 AM
The following website and body of research may help you. I bought the courses myself and I'm working through them now. However, we came into this world with all the necessary 'equipment' to overcome all the dark cloak of fear that we are wearing. And one needs no psychedelic, technological or meditative attire to awaken to the Infinite and Zero/Infinite Point Energy within that we all carry.
www.probablefuture.com
:cool:
I don't think there is an awakening to the infinite and zero/infinite point energy within that we all carry. This is infinity now. Our minds are so powerful we've convinced ourselves that we can't fly, that we can't walk on water, that we can walk through matter. The perception has to change or we are going to continue to take the wonder out of reality even more and maybe get to a point of no return- that would be the point of no more imagination.
Psychadelics, meditation are ways to change our perception which changes the world.
alexph777
07-10-2007, 01:05 AM
That's basically what I was trying to say. Thanks. ;)
All these courses and other things are great tools that can help us and give us wonderful insights. But the key is not to get stuck or give your power away.
As for pschadelics too much can mess up your energy fields. Also you can merge your awareness with plants and animals, etc.
The key is happyness and humour for then you see the cosmic joke of it all.
auron
07-10-2007, 01:06 AM
I don't think there is an awakening to the infinite and zero/infinite point energy within that we all carry. This is infinity now. Our minds are so powerful we've convinced ourselves that we can't fly, that we can't walk on water, that we can walk through matter. The perception has to change or we are going to continue to take the wonder out of reality even more and maybe get to a point of no return- that would be the point of no more imagination.
Psychadelics, meditation are ways to change our perception which changes the world.
I like your style. :cool:
auron
07-10-2007, 01:09 AM
As for pschadelics too much can mess up your energy fields. Also you can merge your awareness with plants and animals, etc.
Yeah, and too little makes you work 9 - 5. :D
chris
07-10-2007, 01:14 AM
The irony that a thread titled "The Conspiracy Movement HAS to step it up NOW!" turns so quickly into a discussion about magic mushrooms...Turn on, Tune in and drop out, CIA operative Timothy Leary
I'm all for doing drugs though they are pretty boring now but seriously this isn't going to do jack shit to the nwo.
auron
07-10-2007, 01:21 AM
It looks like we're all fucked then!! :D
We can never stop the NWO!!!!
:(
The mushrooms are here by accident. They're just there for show. :rolleyes:
devin
07-10-2007, 01:23 AM
The irony that a thread titled "The Conspiracy Movement HAS to step it up NOW!" turns so quickly into a discussion about magic mushrooms...Turn on, Tune in and drop out, CIA operative Timothy Leary
I'm all for doing drugs though they are pretty boring now but seriously this isn't going to do jack shit to the nwo.
Too many times do I see people criticizing solutions and then leave us hanging by not giving us an alternate solution. Mushrooms were once sacred and now they are a joke. Astral projection is a joke to some as well.
If expanding my conciousness cannot defeat the NWO then I give up.
helloperator
07-10-2007, 01:30 AM
Tripping on mushrooms is insignificant next to the power of a clear, undrugged, thoughtful mind
joss classey
07-10-2007, 01:32 AM
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auron
07-10-2007, 01:41 AM
Tripping on mushrooms is insignificant next to the power of a clear, undrugged, thoughtful mind
I've had both. I choose the former. :D
devin
07-10-2007, 01:41 AM
Tripping on mushrooms is insignificant next to the power of a clear, undrugged, thoughtful mind
Vioxx is a drug. A mushroom is a mushroom. When did we all start to fear and disconnect from the earth so much that we refuse to eat some its most wonderful, mind expanding plants? The clear, undrugged, thoughtful minds keep telling me to stay away from the plants while they have a slice of MSG pizza in their hands.
alexph777
07-10-2007, 01:49 AM
Yeah, and too little makes you work 9 - 5. :D
So true! I've not taken any yet but I will when I'm ready. They are very important. But I don't want to get addicted to the experience.
The only thing that confuses me is that Terrance Mckenna mentioned that pychedelics can destroy the capitalistic mind. Does that mean it gives you a poweful awakening?
Anything that flushes the 9-5 or 8-5 drudgery down the toliet is a good thing. Now I'm sold. :D
alexph777
07-10-2007, 01:50 AM
Out of interest for a new be what would you recommend on psyhedelics?
auron
07-10-2007, 01:58 AM
So true! I've not taken any yet but I will when I'm ready. They are very important. But I don't want to get addicted to the experience.
The only thing that confuses me is that Terrance Mckenna mentioned that pychedelics can destroy the capitalistic mind. Does that mean it gives you a poweful awakening?
Anything that flushes the 9-5 or 8-5 drudgery down the toliet is a good thing. Now I'm sold. :D
A powerful awakening is an understatement........:D
Do them when you feel ready, and find out all you can about them first!!
A good place to start:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_faq.shtml
And if you have an hour to spare...........
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3286686859329905674
auron
07-10-2007, 01:59 AM
Out of interest for a new be what would you recommend on psyhedelics?
Being in a happy environment around people you love. :)
soglad
07-10-2007, 02:12 AM
Being in a happy environment around people you love. :)
Yep, this is important....not only for psychedelics but any life situation too! :D
chris
07-10-2007, 02:34 AM
Too many times do I see people criticizing solutions and then leave us hanging by not giving us an alternate solution. Mushrooms were once sacred and now they are a joke. Astral projection is a joke to some as well.
If expanding my conciousness cannot defeat the NWO then I give up.
Mushrooms aren't expanding consciousness long term, look at Terrance McKenna, took about 10 minutes to speak a sentence. Died of a brain tumour. I used to love the guy but now I see him as just another phoney newage hippy (uh oh, I blaspheme).
I said nothing against the astral body, it’s a good idea to liberate. I was just pointing out the irony that the sixties Leary CIA tactic of getting people high instead of some straight up resistance was so quickly brought up.
As for alternative explanations then I say we just try harder spreading the word and talking to people. To bridge this gap with strangers is very important as it wakes people up far better than anything else because we live in such a cold uncaring world. Then if we want to get high, get high! But don’t think its because your fighting the nwo.
alexph777
07-10-2007, 02:36 AM
Thanks for the info guys. :)
devin
07-10-2007, 03:20 AM
Mushrooms aren't expanding consciousness long term, look at Terrance McKenna, took about 10 minutes to speak a sentence. Died of a brain tumour. I used to love the guy but now I see him as just another phoney newage hippy (uh oh, I blaspheme).
I said nothing against the astral body, it’s a good idea to liberate. I was just pointing out the irony that the sixties Leary CIA tactic of getting people high instead of some straight up resistance was so quickly brought up.
As for alternative explanations then I say we just try harder spreading the word and talking to people. To bridge this gap with strangers is very important as it wakes people up far better than anything else because we live in such a cold uncaring world. Then if we want to get high, get high! But don’t think its because your fighting the nwo.
I thought Terrence McKenna was a very intelligent guy and it's a shame that he died of a CIA induced brain tumour.;)
I believe the word "try" was created by our annunaki masters - if it wasn't by them then if was from one of our slave masters. We either succeed or we fail, there is no trying. The aboriginies and other cultures don't even have a word for "try."
We can't wake people up when we ourselves are not awake. Because we are relying on other people to tell us what is going on instead of finding the answers ourselves we are incredibly vulnerable.
I found this in the akashic records of a man who was just saved by the newly formed protestant religion...here it is... "Ha! Look at those dumb Catholic 'sheeple.' I'm so glad I was woken up by this nice lad that goes by the name of Martin Luther! You know what we got to do my fellow protestants? We have got to wake up as many people as we can! Let's go do that, then we'll finally have peace! Martin Luther will show us the way!"
The next step in this movement is the abolishment of all followers. Everyone is their own leader and yet at the same time we are all together and we are all working together (yes I do believe that is possible). A whole bunch of leaders who are in the know, deeply connected to spirit, and multi-dimensional beings who do not need to get their information from other people anymore.
devin
07-10-2007, 03:26 AM
Alex, to help with astral projection take some Salvia Divinorum. Lucid dreams take the herb Calea Z. Psilocybin mushrooms are good but I believe taking them by yourself in a dark room is the best way to experience them. If you respect these plants then they will give you a great, meaningful experience. If you refer to them as "drugs" and use the term "high" you will most likely have a recreational experience instead of a spiritual experience.
woghd
07-10-2007, 07:13 AM
Where are we going? More and more people are "waking up" about the New World Order and various other conspiracy theories everyday, but things are getting worse. How much longer are we going to take other people's words for it?! I believe it was David Icke who once said in one of his lectures something like "Believing is seeing" and not the other way around. Well how many of you have believed in reptilians for over a year now and still have not seen one? How about 5 years? How about since David Icke first came out in the public about it? And don't count those RIDICULOUS videos on youtube. Look at how pathetic we "truth seekers" are. We spend hours on these sites looking at people's pupils to see if they changed or not! Imagine if you knew that reptilians were real two years a go. Think of all the time you could have saved instead of endless speculation, debate, and youtube watching!!!
Just a bit of fact straightening...Most of the vids are NOT on youtube, but at realshapeshifters.com. And I don't know what's so ridiculous about the videos. At least they present something that you can see with your own eyes, that you can touch, hear, and feel...something that's REAL.
You offer only astral projection...
Archangel
rossus
07-10-2007, 09:13 AM
Mushrooms aren't expanding consciousness long term, look at Terrance McKenna, took about 10 minutes to speak a sentence. Died of a brain tumour. I used to love the guy but now I see him as just another phoney newage hippy (uh oh, I blaspheme).
I said nothing against the astral body, it’s a good idea to liberate. I was just pointing out the irony that the sixties Leary CIA tactic of getting people high instead of some straight up resistance was so quickly brought up.
As for alternative explanations then I say we just try harder spreading the word and talking to people. To bridge this gap with strangers is very important as it wakes people up far better than anything else because we live in such a cold uncaring world. Then if we want to get high, get high! But don’t think its because your fighting the nwo.
true man :)
i also don't think that getting high or "astral projecting" will fix the NWO problem.
only thing that can fix the NWO problem is people realizing that they're not happy with the way they live life.
people realizing that pleasure is not a good substitute for happiness.
people realizing fucking other people's economy and fucking nature isn't a good way to live.
people realizing it's not necessary to work so hard all the time to get paid very weak salary.
when the masses get this, they can once again unite and create a revolution according to the collective wish.
taking psychedelics or astral projection won't wake up the masses, it will drug the individual. not that that's a bad thing.
i just i don't think that human beings have superpowers to awaken... so they can start to fly and put a magic spell on the masses so they all wake up.
you devin seem to believe that humans have these superpowers and that the only way (or the best atm) to fight the NWO is to reawaken them?
what if there was no superpowers and your belief is false? ;)
also i believe psychedelics are hyped to be more than they really are. sure they give a "beautiful spiritual experience" but what remains when that beautiful spiritual experience is gone?
are you still as "spiritual" sober as during the beautiful experience? a experience with mushrooms is just a experience with mushrooms.
sure you change perception, but old perception comes back... and you're back where you started.
shansuke
07-10-2007, 10:06 AM
quote by rossus = also i believe psychedelics are hyped to be more than they really are. sure they give a "beautiful spiritual experience" but what remains when that beautiful spiritual experience is gone?
are you still as "spiritual" sober as during the beautiful experience? a experience with mushrooms is just a experience with mushrooms.
sure you change perception, but old perception comes back... and you're back where you started. sorry rossus but this is not true because when you have a spiritual awakning on any type of psychadelic it changes the way you see things which lasts a lot longer than the effects you get at the time.
rossus
07-10-2007, 10:25 AM
quote by rossus = also i believe psychedelics are hyped to be more than they really are. sure they give a "beautiful spiritual experience" but what remains when that beautiful spiritual experience is gone?
are you still as "spiritual" sober as during the beautiful experience? a experience with mushrooms is just a experience with mushrooms.
sure you change perception, but old perception comes back... and you're back where you started. sorry rossus but this is not true because when you have a spiritual awakning on any type of psychadelic it changes the way you see things which lasts a lot longer than the effects you get at the time.
yea true there's a lasting change of perception, but it's far from the perception you have when under the influence of psychedelic.
that's why there's the need by many to do it again and again and again.
when you sober up from the spiritual experience, you're back into reality.
that's what i don't like with getting high from drugs... you quickly go up and quickly go down.
i want to stay high all the time and for this reason i think it's better to go the meditative pad instead of the drugpath (weed, mushrooms, etc)
i might be wrong ;)
baron von lotsov
07-10-2007, 11:09 AM
agreed
how is astral projection or OBE going to help us get rid of the NWO dude? :p
You have a disinfo agent pretending to give us the solutions but in fact to take his advice will draw you further into the web of deceit.
Out of body experiences is an occult thing; the controllers use the occult to control people.
baron von lotsov
07-10-2007, 11:12 AM
I definitely agree with that. Though if you were to see me a week a go I might not have.
How many more disinfo agents do you want to recommend?
How is destroying your mind on LSD going to help prevent the NWO. Wake up man!
rossus
07-10-2007, 11:18 AM
the controllers use the occult to control people.
they use everything to control us.
sex, food, drugs, tv,
religion (from bible to new age fairytales)
even conspiracy theories have become a way to control people.
people keep searching there ass of to read or create more conspiracy theories...
but they don't get to action. (i'm still guilty of that myself :D)
lottie
07-10-2007, 11:22 AM
I was reading this article the other day and i think it has some interesting points.........feel fre to comment.....im sure you will!!! :D;)
How to herd a very large group of people onto the worst probable future timeline
*by Carissa Conti
c. October 30, 2005*
Many people reading this are probably very familiar with alternative news sites such as Jeff Rense, Alex Jones, the David Icke headlines page, Signs of the Times, What Really Happened, etc. and so on. These websites keep close tabs on what’s supposedly really transpiring in our world, the stories that the mainstream media is either reluctant to report, or flat out won’t touch with a ten foot pole.
At some point, I avidly followed all of the above mentioned sites, as well as a few others. It was after I began my intense “awakening” period, starting in 2001, and was reading everything and anything I could get my hands on which pertained to the truth. In all fairness, I was never totally asleep to begin with, always living on the outside looking in, never fully buying into the program, living my life in strange and unusual ways that did not conform to the mainstream. But like many people, sometime during 2000 — 2001, things happened to catalyze me into moving to the next level of research and awareness. And so I did, with gusto. Every day I was visiting the alternative news media headlines pages, absorbing all the conspiracy headline stories. My bookshelves filled with the new books I was buying on all these subjects. I had binders filled with all the articles I’d printed out. My mind was like a sponge, and I couldn’t get enough.
The negative aspect of it all didn’t register right away. The Rense site was by far the worst for me, always packing a huge punch in the gut with stories I could do nothing about. Injustice to people and innocent animals, environmental destruction and annihilation. More corrupt politicians, lying. More of the illusion, going up in flames right in front of our faces. Each travesty would generate an intense emotional reaction within me from where I sat in front of my computer, helpless to stop any of it. But at least I was being informed. I was aware of the truth. I was not the blissfully ignorant mass public in the sheep pen…and ultimately, that’s all that mattered, right? Never mind the fact that I could do nothing!
It all caught up with me though down the line. Around mid-2004 I finally snapped. Day after day of negative news headlines, books and articles, under the guise of “truth” and I just couldn’t mentally take any more. I ceased reading Rense cold turkey, for three weeks. I had to. Stopped visiting all the other stand-bys, such as David Icke, and all the rest. If I was bored at work with no work to do and some time to kill, then I was going to play games on Yahoo instead. That was it for me! Bounce Out, Cubis and Text Twist, here I come. I went out of my way to bring books to read during my lunch break as part of my “detox” mindset change, mostly pertaining to the Toltec warrior’s path as that’s what really resonates with me — Carlos Castaneda and Theun Mares. It was an abrupt, yet, totally natural transition from one period of my life to the next, a process that continues to this day, recently moving into what I call “Stage 3.” :) But it took mentally snapping before it could even begin to happen.
For some people though, they never know when to quit. They’re currently having their mental breakdown with this material, but keep going with it, and going, and going and going. They post on message boards, full of anger and rage about this country’s situation, and the way the world is going up in flames. Everything is wrong and ugly to them, everybody is corrupt, we’re all going to hell in a hand basket. We also see it in the writings of some very famous conspiracy/alternative news authors on the web, who only rant on and on about all that is wrong and ugly, but never offer solutions. In fact, you can almost say that they don’t seem to be interested in solutions. We see it in the alternative headlines pages which usually, as in the case of Rense, make sure to focus on stuff you can do nothing about, things happening half a world away…things that took place last week, last month, and are already over, so all you can do is read about the bloodbath carnage aftermath of epic proportions, while mentally writhing in anguish, spewing loosh and feeding the feeders…which is actually part of the purpose of these sites. Whether they know they’re being used for this or not. These sites act as loosh generators, no different from their “enemies”, the mainstream media. One is supposedly feeding us lies, and one is supposedly giving us the truth, but when they’re both intensely negative and serve the same loosh generating, fear-frequency purpose, then really, what’s the difference?
So there you are, reading along, getting upset, generating loosh, maybe even experiencing fear and anxiety. There’s yet another conspiracy story about the NWO, the internment camps, the roundups, the “red and blue list”. Which list will YOU be on, hm? Do they already know about you? Are they monitoring your phone calls and emails? Keeping tabs on which websites you visit, which message boards you post to? There’s another story about foreign militias training on U.S. soil, preparing to take us over. Another story about the boxcars and checkpoints fashioned out of former toll booths in the New Mexican desert. More stories about micro chipping, and how eventually, we will all be forced to take the chip, or else. More stories about the sinister purposes of chemtrails, designed to annihilate half the world’s population. Get rid of the peasants you know, so the world’s elite can have the planet all to themselves. More stories about man made laboratory biowarfare, released onto the helpless population…....
.....And there’s nothing you can do about ANY of it. It’s all bigger than you, out of your hands, and you are a helpless bit of cattle property, at the mercy of everything and anything that’s bigger and badder than you in this world. They can kill you, maim you, and make you sick if you want…
…or, so these stories would like you to subtly believe.
When you’re reading this stuff, what eventually happens?
You begin to absorb that covert message just outlined above, the one about being a powerless, helpless victim at the mercy of everything bigger than you. And more importantly, you begin to envision these scenarios as your future. In fact, you spend an awful lot of time envisioning this particular doomsday scenario NWO take-over, half the world decimated by Bird Flu/human flu/SARS/West Nile Virus/epidemic of the moment, fill in the blank, future that these websites keep feeding us. Every day you’re reading it, and in doing so, you’re programming your mind to accept this as reality – the only reality – that lies in store for us. These websites constantly churn out the same horrific doomsday scenario future headlines day after day after day after day, under the guise of revealing the truth and getting us informed. But what they’re also covertly accomplishing is a form of mind control programming. The very thing they rail against, ironically enough.
Don’t get me wrong — these stories do have legitimacy, in my opinion. Many of what these websites are reporting is happening, or at least, is the intended plan of some nefarious groups that run things on this planet. And it’s good to be informed, and many of us need these stories to help catalyze us into “waking up from the illusion.” But the fact is, what these news sites and conspiracy authors either don’t know or purposely don’t tell us is that:
The future is not set in stone. Time is not linear, which means there are multi probable timelines out there where we could wind up;
There are still way too many variables to factor into the equation, which can — and will — prevent many of these things from ever happening on certain timelines, and…
...the fact that there are various probable timelines to choose from means you don’t have to wind up on the negative doomsday timeline being fed to us.
Just because they tell us something, doesn’t mean that’s how it has to go. Remember that. And just because they’re giving us the “truth” that the mainstream media won’t talk about doesn’t mean we’re getting the entire “Bigger Picture.” The one thing that most of these news sites and conpiracy doomsday authors lack is the spiritual bigger picture.
Something that needs to be emphasized here, and which more people need to realize, is that we have a say in everything that happens to us, and we can control our own future. It’s actually a theme that keeps coming up in all of my articles. I never purposely set out with the intention to do that, it just sort of wound up happening. But the reason it keeps popping up like this is probably because it’s one of the most important concepts we as humans can realize. It’s the very thing that “The Powers That Be” have continually tried to hide from us and prevent us from knowing. Everything about mainstream society is designed to disempower us at every turn. The rules, laws, authority, control, religion, school, mainstream health practices, everything, it’s all about taking away our personal power and trying to prevent the majority from ever learning the truth: That we have the ability to manifest what we need, heal and cure ourselves from ailments, and, through thoughts, personal frequency and intent, can affect which probable future timeline we wind up on, based on where we choose to align ourselves.
Our alignment comes from personal frequency, and personal frequency comes from what our thoughts and intent consist of.
If you choose to inundate yourself with fear-based, anxiety generating, doomsday scenario gloom and doom material, you’re putting your focus on that, and are inadvertently aligning yourself to it. As a result, you just may wind up in that future.
If, on the other hand, you declare, “No. I don’t want that,” and begin forging a new path for yourself, then you’ll most likely find yourself in a much better future than you would have otherwise. Forging a new path requires making a conscious effort to align to a new way of being and move on to the next level. So once this material has shown you what’s really happening out there in the world, versus what the mainstream media feeds us, recognize when it has served its purpose and use the information to help you get to the next level. What good is the material after all, if you don’t put it to use and do something with what you know? You don’t want to stagnate, going in endless circles. You want to move forward, and make progress. You want to search for solutions, and create a better way.
So what is this next level I keep mentioning?
It goes by many names, but whatever you believe, or choose to call it, it does exist, and goes by many names. “Spiraling Out.” “The shift to 4th density.” “Personal freedom”, in the vein of the Toltec warrior’s path. Merging with your Higher Self — my personal favorite! :)
It’s not everybody’s destiny to strive for it; for many, they will be content to just live out their lives and die, which is fine. But for others, that’s not enough. They know they can achieve more, and that there’s something else out there beyond all of this, a better way to be than what we’re all shown in the mainstream world.
Keep in mind too that turning your back on the doomsday scenario material to strive for the next level doesn’t mean burying your head in the sand. This may be a common misconception for many reading this, that I’m possibly advocating being ignorant and covering your eyes and plugging your ears and saying “lalala! I can’t hear you! I don’t see you!” It’s not willful ignorance — it’s about directing your intent for where you’d like to wind up, and what sort of future you’d like for yourself.
If you’re driving along on a road, and you see that there’s a collapsed bridge up ahead, you can either a) Choose to stare fixedly at the bridge and plow forth into the bridge; b) Choose to take your hands off the wheel and cover your eyes and pretend it doesn’t exist while your car veers all around on the road, so you may or may not end up colliding with the bridge; or c) You can choose to smoothly exit off the road beforehand, thus avoiding the collapsed bridge entirely and choosing a better route.
Bingo! It’s all about choice C. Like I’ve written before, whenever we’re given two choices in life, it always means there is a third, or more, choice that we are not being shown. It’s never black and white, yes and no, good and bad, liberal or conservative, and so on. If you mistakenly believe that it’s a choice between the negative doomsday “truth” or blissful sheep pen ignorance, realize that it’s about neither. It’s about awareness, and using what you’ve learned and know to create something better.
A big question some may be wondering as they read this is whether all the doomsday negative gloom and doom material is knowingly trying to lower people’s frequencies and focus their attention onto the worst future possible. Are they in on some actual tangible “plot” of sorts? Do they consciously know what they’re doing?? Honestly, no, I don’t think so. I think most of the people who run those sites and write those articles, forever ranting about everything that’s wrong and ugly, believe that they’re doing the right thing…although there are forces working through them to get them to generate this sort of one-sided, limited view material that lacks the “spiritual bigger picture.” Which leads to the idea that some may actually be programmed to do so. I know, not an easy one to accept. “My beloved so-and-so, purveyor of truth, fervent opponent of the mainstream media, is really a programmed PAWN?!? NO!!!!!”
Yes. It’s quite possible. After all, people can be easily fooled into that “two choice scenario” using faulty logic: “Oh, the mainstream media is the bad guy…and here’s this other guy over here who’s railing against the mainstream media, putting out different information…he must be the good guy then! I’m siding with him and going over there!”
But is it really a choice between the negative doomsday “truth”, and blissful ignorance? Or is there a third choice? A hidden door over there behind the curtain? Another option we’re not being given?
How about the choice which involves “neither”, the one where we decide which future we’d like to have, and begin making it happen, based on our thoughts and intents, starting right now, at this very moment?
I will leave off with this thought about the nature of time: Creating that alternate future where we wind up on the better timeline instead of the doomsday timeline is possible, and it is out there. It exists, because all possibilities for everything already exist. Everything has already happened…that’s the nature of time. And every way that an event could possibly play itself out has already happened. So where we wind up just depends where we choose to align ourselves, which version of events we pull to ourself and choose to make our main timeline. And it starts right now, at this very moment, with our actions and thoughts.
source;
http://in2worlds.net/
chris
07-10-2007, 12:10 PM
I thought Terrence McKenna was a very intelligent guy and it's a shame that he died of a CIA induced brain tumour.;)
lol, I love how people sit in denial over this. I used to be also. McKenna was a moron, I think he was the slowest person I have ever heard and this is not thoughtful slow this is, ah shit, need more time the think slow.
I used to think they were the evolution accerlorated button as Bill Hicks said, I did so many I developed severe visual snow and tinnitus. I used to think that was part of the ‘awakening process.’ I still have bad visual snow and after images, I realised these ARE negative things because when I was on my 27 day water fast, I found myself healing it, these afterimages are like etched into your mind and you can’t even see them but they are always there and it takes a lot of health, fasting and meditation to zero in on them (and turn them off). They give you really bad headaches and as soon as you 'switch them off' the headache literally eases up.
People love to try and jump on the psychedelic bandwagon because they think it’s cool and that they are ascending but it’s just an excuse. Sure if you want to get high then get high but your not ascending or fighting the nwo, quite the opposite.
I believe the word "try" was created by our annunaki masters - if it wasn't by them then if was from one of our slave masters. We either succeed or we fail, there is no trying. The aboriginies and other cultures don't even have a word for "try."
We can't wake people up when we ourselves are not awake. Because we are relying on other people to tell us what is going on instead of finding the answers ourselves we are incredibly vulnerable.
I found this in the akashic records of a man who was just saved by the newly formed protestant religion...here it is... "Ha! Look at those dumb Catholic 'sheeple.' I'm so glad I was woken up by this nice lad that goes by the name of Martin Luther! You know what we got to do my fellow protestants? We have got to wake up as many people as we can! Let's go do that, then we'll finally have peace! Martin Luther will show us the way!"
I don’t give a shit about waking people up. I just want people to be informed enough so that I AM FREE. These people can continue to live like slaves if they want but as long as it’s to the point of not infringing upon my freedom then I am okay.
The next step in this movement is the abolishment of all followers. Everyone is their own leader and yet at the same time we are all together and we are all working together (yes I do believe that is possible). A whole bunch of leaders who are in the know, deeply connected to spirit, and multi-dimensional beings who do not need to get their information from other people anymore.
This is called the bullshit revolution.
baron von lotsov
07-10-2007, 12:21 PM
they use everything to control us.
sex, food, drugs, tv,
religion (from bible to new age fairytales)
even conspiracy theories have become a way to control people.
people keep searching there ass of to read or create more conspiracy theories...
but they don't get to action. (i'm still guilty of that myself :D)
Yeh they sure do but the occult is complete control, control of your very soul. Nothing else has this level of control and that is why the masons use it and the elite use it to control the people who are given the power to control the rest of us. e.g. Skull and Bones etc.
devin
07-10-2007, 12:33 PM
Lottie, that was a very good article. I thought that the other day when I heard Michael Tsarion's pessimistic ideas on red ice radio that a lot of these conspiracy writers are making us think a certain way so we can create that terrible reality. The article is similiar to what I first said in this post. I said enough with the conspiracy sites, it's time to get our own answers and that is done by being spiritually connected... connected with the unseen world. The writer of that article also said enough with the conspiracy sites, it's time for a "merging with our higher self."
If I weren't so specific about my solution (mentioning OBEs) then I would have received much better feedback. It seems the more ambiguous/new agey one is the more credibility they get. The point is we need to look at our own personal situation. Go through a list of all the things we know...
The earth is round - wait a second, I don't know that! I've never held it in my hand to determine its shape! I've only been told it and shown through pictures where it looks sort of round! Ramtha says it isn't round by the way - that still doesn't mean anything to me.
The one criticism I have about that article is the fact that she goes into things that I do not believe she knows. Such as the fact that there are different timelines. It makes sense and sounds nice but I focus on things that I know right now. I know there is an astral world and yes it is occult (occult as in "hidden") For some reason the main thing that is being argued with me it seems is the topic of Mushrooms. Go back to my first post and see if you see mushrooms or any plant in that post. I don't value them that much, I just felt the need to defend them... but enough with so much talk about mushrooms right now! I want access to the spiritual world, I want to get over my amnesia and I want to get over it NOW! So many act like they have years to get it right, and maybe we do, maybe if we just lift our vibrations up we can get on some new timeline, but I'm not going to count on that timeline theory anymore. I'm not going to count on anything anymore but myself because I am too vulnerable relying on these theories, authors, etc... I am going to focus on what I know and go after it and if my acting out of ignorance gets me in trouble with some higher power well then SCREW THEM for not guiding me otherwise. Think of what you know... do you know aliens exist? do you know you have an afterlife? Well you gotta keep the faith right? I'm tired of believing, I'm tired of the conspiracy theories, I'm tired of the New Age spiritual garbage.
lydia78
07-10-2007, 12:33 PM
Yeh they sure do but the occult is complete control, control of your very soul. Nothing else has this level of control and that is why the masons use it and the elite use it to control the people who are given the power to control the rest of us. e.g. Skull and Bones etc.
But the thing is baron, the occult wasn't designed for abuse
energy is neutral, intention is the key to anything.
and I do not believe that the occult is simply geared towards the
damnation of mankind
They and i can use the same tools but the intentions are different.
it is the heritage of the human to have extra sensory abilites
which they've conditioned many to 'forget'.
hence why they are 'controlling' the illusion they're in charge
my old man a grand master mason hated mine and mam's use of the occult
without going into a massive dead sea scroll story about the in's and out's
if it hadn't been for what we learnt from 'the occult'
we would never have got him out of our lives
it repelled him and his cronies
so one one hand we have occult driven masons et al
who can't handle occult use of others.....why is that then?
devin
07-10-2007, 12:35 PM
Yeh they sure do but the occult is complete control, control of your very soul. Nothing else has this level of control and that is why the masons use it and the elite use it to control the people who are given the power to control the rest of us. e.g. Skull and Bones etc.
Where did you get that idea about the occult from? The same conspiracy writers that write the theories that you just agreed are a form of control?
alrick888
07-10-2007, 12:37 PM
Great post by devin and I can feel where you are coming from.
First of all, any movement has leaders and followers, and sometimes -don't take this personal- the worst thing that can happen is followers posing as leaders, if you know what i mean.
Some of the followers in the conspiracy movement highlight the faults that are already inherent in some of the leadership: the over-reliance on psychedelics, the distrust towards anybody who has had a modicum of success, the childish labeling of anything remotely related to 'the occult' as inherently evil.
There are a lot of them on this forum, and they tend to slow down any progress.
I for one would like to know more about astral projection and OBEs. If you think it is 'occult' then stay away, it's not for you, let the adults discuss it in private. These are known to accelerate spiritual development far more than any mushroom can. A lot of people on this forum claim to have 'em, tell us how you do it, or are you just bluffing?
And btw, you can definitely have a bad trip (and worse) on mushrooms. Just because it grows in the wild doesn't mean it's harmless.
Stuart Wilde knows a lot about these things:
www.stuartwilde.com
auron
07-10-2007, 12:47 PM
Robert Peterson - Out of Body Experiences.pdf
http://www.badongo.net/file/2727476
baron von lotsov
07-10-2007, 12:49 PM
Where did you get that idea about the occult from? The same conspiracy writers that write the theories that you just agreed are a form of control?
Personal observation of occultists.
devin
07-10-2007, 12:52 PM
Great post by devin and I can feel where you are coming from.
First of all, any movement has leaders and followers, and sometimes -don't take this personal- the worst thing that can happen is followers posing as leaders, if you know what i mean.
Some of the followers in the conspiracy movement highlight the faults that are already inherent in some of the leadership: the over-reliance on psychedelics, the distrust towards anybody who has had a modicum of success, the childish labeling of anything remotely related to 'the occult' as inherently evil.
There are a lot of them on this forum, and they tend to slow down any progress.
I for one would like to know more about astral projection and OBEs. If you think it is 'occult' then stay away, it's not for you, let the adults discuss it in private. These are known to accelerate spiritual development far more than any mushroom can. A lot of people on this forum claim to have 'em, tell us how you do it, or are you just bluffing?
And btw, you can definitely have a bad trip (and worse) on mushrooms. Just because it grows in the wild doesn't mean it's harmless.
Stuart Wilde knows a lot about these things:
www.stuartwilde.com
Alrick, believe me on this, I am way more interested in OBEs than psychadelic plants. I am just not earthphobic like so many new agers are so I felt the need to defend nature. Psychadelic plants are helpful but they should, in my opinion, only be used very rarely and only to help one's spiritual progress... they should never be used recreational. Ok here I go on the plants again, please people if you have something against them I have heard you, let's drop this subject or at least start a different thread about them.
I have them, but the thing that frustrates me so much is they don't last very long. Now that I've come to the conclusion that these authors are totally playing mind games with me and everyone else I have this huge desire to get serious about spirituality and I believe that I'll have to work at it... Not just sit on the couch till December 2012 comes when some galactic energy is supposed to bestow these psychic powers on me.
I want to say one thing about crystals... I've always been skeptical about crystals but that has now changed. A lot of people say the amethyst crystal helps with astral projection if put under the pillow. Well I put one under my pillow two days a go and did it. I told this one guy who I bought an orgonite pendant from, and he says he is not surprised as the amethyst crystal opens the third eye. The orgonite pendant that I bought has these special diamonds in it that is supposed to help with astral projection/lucid dreaming and is also for protection... I'll let you guys know if it works or not, but I am very excited and confident right now after my experience with the crystal.
devin
07-10-2007, 12:55 PM
Robert Peterson - Out of Body Experiences.pdf
http://www.badongo.net/file/2727476
good find auron! thank you
auron
07-10-2007, 12:58 PM
good find auron! thank you
You're welcome mate. I read that 2 years ago, and if you follow the steps correctly; you should be having OBE's in no time at all.
Hey, and you don't need to take mushrooms for it either!! :rolleyes:
lydia78
07-10-2007, 12:59 PM
I want to say one thing about crystals... I've always been skeptical about crystals but that has now changed. A lot of people say the amethyst crystal helps with astral projection if put under the pillow. Well I put one under my pillow two days a go and did it. I told this one guy who I bought an orgonite pendant from, and he says he is not surprised as the amethyst crystal opens the third eye. The orgonite pendant that I bought has these special diamonds in it that is supposed to help with astral projection/lucid dreaming and is also for protection... I'll let you guys know if it works or not, but I am very excited and confident right now after my experience with the crystal.
Amen!
If you can get a spirit quartz, do...they're small and look like amethyst
but by god man,
they are the most powerful crystals i have ever experienced
for visions and emotional clearing!!!
devin
07-10-2007, 01:01 PM
Amen!
If you can get a spirit quartz, do...they're small and look like amethyst
but by god man,
they are the most powerful crystals i have ever experienced
for visions and emotional clearing!!!
how do you use them?
devin
07-10-2007, 01:07 PM
Woghd – videos mean nothing to me. They are not real and no I cannot touch them.
Rossus – “are you still as "spiritual" sober as during the beautiful experience? a experience with mushrooms is just a experience with mushrooms.
sure you change perception, but old perception comes back... and you're back where you started.”
Once a person changes their perception there is never turning back to their old paradigm.
The elite create their own opposition. The masses getting real unhappy is not going to do anything because they will just give us a leader (think Nelson Mandela) who will pretend like he’s doing something.
lydia78
07-10-2007, 01:10 PM
how do you use them?
There is no right or wrong way, intuition is the only requirement!!
Do what feels right for you, personally i carry some in my pocket
garnet, obsidian, moldavite etc...my personal way of connecting with them.
equally, going for a walk in nature with them, or lying on your bed crying
it doesn't matter, wherever you direct intention the energy will follow.
it is an intuitive process, relationship you build with their frequency
but there are some wonderful books on them
one in particular 'The book of stones' by robert simmons & naisha ahsian.
mountain
07-10-2007, 01:26 PM
Great post by devin and I can feel where you are coming from.
First of all, any movement has leaders and followers, and sometimes -don't take this personal- the worst thing that can happen is followers posing as leaders, if you know what i mean.
Some of the followers in the conspiracy movement highlight the faults that are already inherent in some of the leadership: the over-reliance on psychedelics, the distrust towards anybody who has had a modicum of success, the childish labeling of anything remotely related to 'the occult' as inherently evil.
There are a lot of them on this forum, and they tend to slow down any progress.
I for one would like to know more about astral projection and OBEs. If you think it is 'occult' then stay away, it's not for you, let the adults discuss it in private. These are known to accelerate spiritual development far more than any mushroom can. A lot of people on this forum claim to have 'em, tell us how you do it, or are you just bluffing?
And btw, you can definitely have a bad trip (and worse) on mushrooms. Just because it grows in the wild doesn't mean it's harmless.
Stuart Wilde knows a lot about these things:
www.stuartwilde.com
I do believe that astral projection is very important, and that everyone should expand their psychic abilities as much as possible. Astral projection is a skill that everybody possess but remains dormant. For me it became easy to do with little effort after about 6 years as I changed myself, my thinking, my diet. I was abducted astrally for a very long time and this frightened me and encouraged me to seek the truth. Doing this strengthened my spirit and I became fearless, and fear is the key. Once you shake it off and realize that you are an immortal spirititual being, fear diminishes. You have to KNOW this, though. False pretense witll get you nowhere, and most important you cannot fool your inner self.
I find that people that I personally have known for years seem to have difficulty even accepting that they can astral project! I believe that this is because they are totally immersed in the material world, televison, their lack of compassion for others, their paychecks, their new cars or the latest cell phone. My ability to project started artound the same time that I quit T.V. You might want to ask yourself if T.V. is a necessity in your life. Meditation is also vital at first, because it quiets the mind and you can focus on YOU, giving yourself the attention that you need. Like David and so many others have said, we are more than our bodies.
Do you consume lots of sodas? Try to stop the addiction. Drink as much water as possible, it has become my favorite. Natural juices are good. Read the labels of anything you're about to consume. When I eat fish, I am more in tune with my psyche. Fast food? NO WAY!
Get some good soothing music, preferably instrumental, and meditate off of that by just playing it loud enough to hear it in the background. Do this before bed, and lie on your back and relax. NO T.V. allowed! Let your body fall asleep while keeping your mind awake, focusing on the music and the little images you see in the blackness while eyes are closed. You will feel tingly as you project, but do not be afraid, or else you will not project. Keep trying these things until you do it. It takes practice and effort sometimes, but well worth it, because this is time to get to know your true self! Have a wonderful flight and let me know if you need more assistance!
devin
07-10-2007, 01:52 PM
Thank you so much for moving this whoever did it! Let's put it in a thread that no one looks at because it's so anti-conspiracy book buying! I can move every one of the threads in the "General" section to a more specific place on this site.
auron
07-10-2007, 02:25 PM
At least it's not in the rant room mate! :)
alrick888
07-10-2007, 02:50 PM
Thanks mountain and auron!
Most of you will have read this, but just sharing for the sake of sharing - it's a great read:
Food Of The Gods (http://www.badongo.com/file/4629331)
auron
07-10-2007, 03:00 PM
Great book!! :)
But didn't you hear the Baron?? Terence Mckenna is disinfo. :rolleyes:
I've got links to two of his other ones. I'll post them when i find them!
EDIT: Here you go....
Terence Mckenna - The Invisible Landscape
http://www.badongo.com/file/3817680
Terence Mckenna - True Hallucinations
http://www.badongo.com/file/3817685
Tut, The New World Order's been around for a while, you're IN it. It's just slightly lazy in its old age. But as for awakening, I wouldn't worry too much. The end of the civilsation comes in 2012 with gravitational alignment and then the Universe expires in 2013. Man, that's definitely not a good poker hand in anyone's book.
razed1
07-10-2007, 05:30 PM
Makes perfect sense mate! :)
hey thanks auron (ff7)
have you checked out this talk by j. arthur
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
brett
07-10-2007, 09:38 PM
Thanks for the Invisible Landscape!!
lottie
07-10-2007, 09:54 PM
Thank you so much for moving this whoever did it! Let's put it in a thread that no one looks at because it's so anti-conspiracy book buying! I can move every one of the threads in the "General" section to a more specific place on this site.
I dont know who moved it devin but its certaily not because of anything said in the thread, its just because one of the mods must have saw it and moved it to appropriate place, if you have any suggestions by all means let us know and we'll endevour to incorporate them if viable!! :)
If most posters are anything like me then they'll always go to 'new posts' where i dont even look at what forum each thread are in...i look for title of thread! all the newest responses are in 'new posts'! hope this helps! :)
devin
07-10-2007, 09:59 PM
I dont know who moved it devin but its certaily not because of anything said in the thread, its just because one of the mods must have saw it and moved it to appropriate place, if you have any suggestions by all means let us know and we'll endevour to incorporate them if viable!! :)
If most posters are anything like me then they'll always go to 'new posts' where i dont even look at what forum each thread are in...i look for title of thread! all the newest responses are in 'new posts'! hope this helps! :)
My suggestion is to merge a lot of forums together so there is only a few. There are too many and that is why everyone mostly goes to the general forum:)
tothestars
09-10-2007, 05:41 AM
Here is something you can do. Make orgonite! For example do as David get yourself a Chembuster (neutralizing chemtrails):
http://rrich5.photosite.com/~photos/tn/262_1024.ts1144703951226.jpg
lenejento
09-10-2007, 02:05 PM
Where are we going? More and more people are "waking up" about the New World Order and various other conspiracy theories everyday, but things are getting worse. How much longer are we going to take other people's words for it?! I believe it was David Icke who once said in one of his lectures something like "Believing is seeing" and not the other way around. Well how many of you have believed in reptilians for over a year now and still have not seen one? How about 5 years? How about since David Icke first came out in the public about it? And don't count those RIDICULOUS videos on youtube. Look at how pathetic we "truth seekers" are. We spend hours on these sites looking at people's pupils to see if they changed or not! Imagine if you knew that reptilians were real two years a go. Think of all the time you could have saved instead of endless speculation, debate, and youtube watching!!! The more I get into this stuff the more I believe we are all being played. WE HAVE TO DISCOVER THINGS ON OUR OWN NOW.
By now, the majority of the time I spend on the internet and the books I read have become as useless as watching re-runs of Seinfeld on T.V. I'm sure many of you feel the same way - I've seen a few posts of people in this forum saying they are fed up with all of this and I don't blame them. I am completely fed up with all these books, documentaries, radio shows, etc... The time has come for us to step it up a notch. To break free from a society where we have been conditioned through the fictional stories we read and see on the screen that good always overcomes evil (what a clever idea to keep us apathetic and overconfident!) We have been conditioned to believe that the evil side is active and tangible whereas the good side is always subtle. We are not awake!
How do we figure out this stuff on our own? Well first of all I believe we have got to get over our amnesia. That means remembering our past lives, why we came here, who we really are, etc... Second of all is that we need to be in constant communication with higher beings (not authors/speakers here on earth who confuse us without mercy.) How can we accomplish these things? Astral Projection. Don't shrug it off as some cheap little trick or some smoke and mirrors type thing. The only way we can overcome this nightmare is to get our OWN answers and the astral world has the answers we currently need. All the books, videos, articles, radio shows, poems, songs, documentaries in every universe cannot give us knowledge... only experience can give us knowledge. These conspiracy writers, either intentionally or not, are wasting our time and keeping us unproductive! Nothing is being done, ABSOLOUTELY NOTHING.
I think it would be a great idea if someone who was an expert at OBEs could maybe suggest an free online course for all of us to take. We then could take this course all at the same time and report our successes and offer tips. Why do this all together and talk about it? Because once we see other people succeeding at it, our chances will greatly increase. Also the fact that we are all connected... there are many advantages to this and I probably don't need to explain to you why it would be more effective if we all did it together.
Let's take a break from these conspiracy writers for awhile and let's not come back to them until we actually have real knowledge. Time is running out and we are going to get SO screwed along with the people we so ignorantly and cruelly call "sheeple." We're on the same ship and we are all going down if we don't get off our asses right now.
What do you think? Will someone who is an expert on OBEs come forward?
Applause! What a refreshing thread. :)
Oh, there's sooo much I want to say on the subject, I don't know where to start!
I also think it's time to move on, get off our arses and find out more on our own, especially more about ourselfes!Do any of us REALLY know who we are? If we are to be honest? NO. How can we deal with anything properly if we don't even know this? How??
Yes, it's time. It's time for LIFE to be our adventure and enjoyment, not Tv, books and internet! Experience! I think there's nothing wrong with psychedelic experience with the help og mushrooms or OBEs, if you feel you want to then why not? Go for it, I might try both myself, it's life enriching and perception changing! But I also think that in the end you won't find out who you truly are by finding out all about your past lifes, you would still be searching. But go for it, it will not do any harm, probably do you good :) I wan to quote adyashanti: "Alot of the time what I do is give the ego lot's of room. People will say "I don't think I want the truth, I want to do this or have that." And I say "Go for it, do it." And it's amazing to see when you tell somebody "You can do what you want, you can want what you want, go ahead, I don't care, God doesen't care, nothing thinks you're wrong, nothing in all of the universe except a thought thinks you're wrong for wanting what you want. Now go ahead. It's amazing how sometimes when you give someone total permission, how something deeper comes out. All of a sudden they drop into, "Now that I can actually feel that I can want anything I want, I guess I don't really want what I thought I wanted. Now that I have permission , now that it's ok with the universe and God and guru and the divine, I'm not even sure that's even what I truly want." So what I'm saying is, if you think you are going to find out who you truly are (which I really think is a sincere intention in you, which is very good news) by having OBE's and doing mushrooms, then go for it! And you'll probably learn alot! I too want to explore this.
Something that comes to mind is what David said, that being a higher dimensional being is no cure for ignorance, the higher dimesional being might have a lesser degree of ignorance (I mean, can it get any worse than here on earth when it comes to ignorance?) but they're all in this vortecs. What interpenetrates all the dimesions equally? This is the key and our true nature. We are not in some limbo here. But go for it, I will and enrich your life!:)
I will answer this thread more, my favourite thread on this forum so far, thank you :)
devin
09-10-2007, 06:04 PM
tothestars, I just bought an orgonite pendant so I'll see how that works. How has that orgonite worked for you?
lenejento, yes you probably are right about my past lives, but if I did have past lives and I were to remember them (which would therefore bring back all my old talents and knowledge) just imagine how much easier it would be to get through all this madness!!!! maybe that's why we forget them.
alexph777
10-10-2007, 12:38 AM
Giving your mind away to substances for artifical heaven is not the answer.
With the A plant tea psychedelic I would only do it once and only when I'm advanced enough - even then under guidance with a healer.
But it is not necessary to OBE with them - infact I would strongly be against it in those states.
You need to be in control of your own mind so you can pull out anytime if you are having a bad vibratory trip.
Work with the angelic frequencies and light beings of the ONE to heal yourself of subcounsous baggage first.
Because we are operating on a very low vibration and a very low creative output, we are in some way protected from having our thought conscous or subconscous ones manifest immediately.
devin
10-10-2007, 01:14 AM
Giving your mind away to substances for artifical heaven is not the answer.
With the A plant tea psychedelic I would only do it once and only when I'm advanced enough - even then under guidance with a healer.
But it is not necessary to OBE with them - infact I would strongly be against it in those states.
You need to be in control of your own mind so you can pull out anytime if you are having a bad vibratory trip.
Work with the angelic frequencies and light beings of the ONE to heal yourself of subcounsous baggage first.
Because we are operating on a very low vibration and a very low creative output, we are in some way protected from having our thought conscous or subconscous ones manifest immediately.
I have heard things about the dangers of going out of the body through the means of substances. But what if these people who told me this are wanting to keep me down? How do I know?
Specifically... how do I work with angelic frequencies and light beings?
And I don't know of any heaven... artificial or real. - and I don't think you know either but I could be wrong.
alexph777
10-10-2007, 07:06 AM
I have heard things about the dangers of going out of the body through the means of substances. But what if these people who told me this are wanting to keep me down? How do I know?
Specifically... how do I work with angelic frequencies and light beings?
And I don't know of any heaven... artificial or real. - and I don't think you know either but I could be wrong.
Dude, if you are not willing to change I cannot help you. You ask for advice then automatically reject it. I've already given you one link for your info. There are many other modalities - do your research. As for your last sentence - your are on substances and you didn't experience bliss - that would say alot about what you took. Finally, how arrogant, you know nothing about me and what experiences I've had.
One can waffle on about an awakening but unless you have had the experience even for a fleeting moment, no one or book can show you. I can relate to what David Icke and other talk about as I experienced this (Golden Light of the Father/Mother Earth/One) in the early 90s. A remembering of fond loving sweet heart memories and coming home. I didn't understand it them but more clearer now. Since then I've had beautiful dreams of light beings and the infinite god/self and God (very special cosmic friends and lovers) such emotion that cannot be described in words. Not as intense as the original dream however. I may post here some day.
Here are some more linkd:
http://www.astralpulse.com/
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/
www.expansions.com
For angelic research see the above links plus Stewart Swerdlow's excellent "The Healer's Handbook - a Journey to Hyperspace". Its not new age. See Doreen Virtue's "Angel Medicine". The later might be new agey but contains some elements of truth.
The angelic frequencies (archangels, devas beings, light beings, "guides", etc) are really aspects of your higher self and overself. They are really you that's already awakened or more awake. But most people because of their low self esteem cannot consider asking themselves questions and receiving the answers. So an illusionary crutch is created that appears external to oneself which is not the real case. With astral projection there is none - you are only traveling within the screen of your own inner mind. Conscousness is observing itself from another perspective and traveling within itself. Same goes for the phyisical.
Most importantly learn to communicate with your higher self. Just sit quitely and feel. Learn to relax. Use the breath to focus you computer mind so it will not analyse your experiences. Ask a question and take note of the response and colours that come back. Or something may happen later on or in your dreams. Or say that I want to speak with my angels will they show me a sign. Create an inner sanctuary that you can always drop into and receive answers - from that place you can communicate with the other person's higher self to see if they are telling you the truth or not.
I mentioned the Probable Future website because to me it seems the best of the cream. And they recommend to do the sessions with the portals of nature and the powers of the sun if possible. The articles have some wonderful insights. They delve deep into the nature of reality and the matrix. And there is nothing that is trying to change your beliefs simply trying to stretch your mind.
In the end you are your own best teacher. You can be only given a message, etc, but you are the one who has to walk through the door.
alexph777
10-10-2007, 07:13 AM
I forgot to mention by why do you think you need to astral project or OBE? What do you want to escape? Surely we need to reconnect with Mother Earth and the many portals of nature, such as flowers. She has all the answers we seek.
To begin we need to get in tune with our own bodies. Our bodies carry much wisdom. Our bodies are multi-dimensional.
Finally look at the many other healing modalities, sexuality, etc.
alexph777
10-10-2007, 07:15 AM
In the end true spiritual wisdom is not long robes and crapola ascension but learning to be happy in its truest sense and have a good sense of humour. And finally learn to laugh at yourself and genuinely feel good about it. Learn to lighten up abit.
Why did the hedgehough cross the road?
To see his flat mate. :)
Why did you shoot the guy?
He was an inflatable guru walking across my garden path. :)
auron
10-10-2007, 08:43 AM
In the end true spiritual wisdom is not long robes and crapola ascension but learning to be happy in its truest sense and have a good sense of humour. And finally learn to laugh at yourself and genuinely feel good about it. Learn to lighten up abit.
Yeah. This happened to me a few years ago. :D
devin
10-10-2007, 01:21 PM
Dude, if you are not willing to change I cannot help you. You ask for advice then automatically reject it. I've already given you one link for your info. There are many other modalities - do your research. As for your last sentence - your are on substances and you didn't experience bliss - that would say alot about what you took. Finally, how arrogant, you know nothing about me and what experiences I've had.
One can waffle on about an awakening but unless you have had the experience even for a fleeting moment, no one or book can show you. I can relate to what David Icke and other talk about as I experienced this (Golden Light of the Father/Mother Earth/One) in the early 90s. A remembering of fond loving sweet heart memories and coming home. I didn't understand it them but more clearer now. Since then I've had beautiful dreams of light beings and the infinite god/self and God (very special cosmic friends and lovers) such emotion that cannot be described in words. Not as intense as the original dream however. I may post here some day.
Here are some more linkd:
http://www.astralpulse.com/
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/
www.expansions.com
For angelic research see the above links plus Stewart Swerdlow's excellent "The Healer's Handbook - a Journey to Hyperspace". Its not new age. See Doreen Virtue's "Angel Medicine". The later might be new agey but contains some elements of truth.
The angelic frequencies (archangels, devas beings, light beings, "guides", etc) are really aspects of your higher self and overself. They are really you that's already awakened or more awake. But most people because of their low self esteem cannot consider asking themselves questions and receiving the answers. So an illusionary crutch is created that appears external to oneself which is not the real case. With astral projection there is none - you are only traveling within the screen of your own inner mind. Conscousness is observing itself from another perspective and traveling within itself. Same goes for the phyisical.
Most importantly learn to communicate with your higher self. Just sit quitely and feel. Learn to relax. Use the breath to focus you computer mind so it will not analyse your experiences. Ask a question and take note of the response and colours that come back. Or something may happen later on or in your dreams. Or say that I want to speak with my angels will they show me a sign. Create an inner sanctuary that you can always drop into and receive answers - from that place you can communicate with the other person's higher self to see if they are telling you the truth or not.
I mentioned the Probable Future website because to me it seems the best of the cream. And they recommend to do the sessions with the portals of nature and the powers of the sun if possible. The articles have some wonderful insights. They delve deep into the nature of reality and the matrix. And there is nothing that is trying to change your beliefs simply trying to stretch your mind.
In the end you are your own best teacher. You can be only given a message, etc, but you are the one who has to walk through the door.
First of all I am willing to change and I thank you for your help (I'm not rejecting it as long as you give me specific advice...which you did) By the way, I never said that I experienced heaven or wanted to experience a "heaven" with substances or OBEs (also, stay on the subject of OBEs only because that is what I'm interested in) I want knowledge right now and I believe with leaving my body I can get the knowledge that I currently seek.
By the way, I do communicate with a higher self I believe. I have a lot of complex thoughts that I can't put into words and I think to myself "was that really my thought?" These thoughts, which I am grateful for, give me wisdom, not knowledge. A lot of spiritual books I've read say that wisdom is more important than knowledge... but then we once again come back to the fact that I am now extremely mistrustful of everyone and everything! Have you ever been like that? It feels so strange.
I wonder when I do reach "them" if I will trust them. Maybe my awareness will be so high at that point that it won't really come down to trust.
alexph777
11-10-2007, 03:53 AM
First of all I am willing to change and I thank you for your help (I'm not rejecting it as long as you give me specific advice...which you did) By the way, I never said that I experienced heaven or wanted to experience a "heaven" with substances or OBEs (also, stay on the subject of OBEs only because that is what I'm interested in) I want knowledge right now and I believe with leaving my body I can get the knowledge that I currently seek.
By the way, I do communicate with a higher self I believe. I have a lot of complex thoughts that I can't put into words and I think to myself "was that really my thought?" These thoughts, which I am grateful for, give me wisdom, not knowledge. A lot of spiritual books I've read say that wisdom is more important than knowledge... but then we once again come back to the fact that I am now extremely mistrustful of everyone and everything! Have you ever been like that? It feels so strange.
I wonder when I do reach "them" if I will trust them. Maybe my awareness will be so high at that point that it won't really come down to trust.
That's great you are doing very well. And I agree OBE stuff has been over looked some what. Go where your heart takes you and don't let anyone else stand in your way. :)
Here is another link about creation.
http://www.energyconsciousness.com/creation.html
or
http://www.probablefuture.com/Back_to_Oneness.htm
Man's life is not a trip about powers, inborn-talents, but a trip in awareness. The key is BELIEF. You are exactly what you believe that you are. If you believe in your limited self and inferior status, that is who you express. If you believe in your un-limited Self and your Divinity as One, that is who you are.
There is no Karma, no past lives and/or contracts based on this, all this is created by Fear as a way for you to retard your evolution into the full realization of who you really are: One.
This is the trip of One: From One to the many as man, and back to One. A trip from Love to Fear, and back to Love again: The Eternal cycle of Creation for the us in One. It is the evening and morning of a cycle of Creation for the One.
You were NEVER really born, and you will NEVER really die. That is totally impossible. You have no real End, and no real Beginning in the Eternity of your stories as One experiencing again and again the many. Birth and Death are all illusions. You are, were, and will always be ONE ETERNAL BEING, ETERNAL ONE, GOD, no matter what you experience, think, or do. However the expressions of your Being might become painful or delightful, based on how far from the Truth of One you situate yourself. Fear will always beget pain, and pain will beget awakening back into Love. Love will always beget pleasure.
devin
11-10-2007, 02:19 PM
That's great you are doing very well. And I agree OBE stuff has been over looked some what. Go where your heart takes you and don't let anyone else stand in your way. :)
Here is another link about creation.
http://www.energyconsciousness.com/creation.html
or
http://www.probablefuture.com/Back_to_Oneness.htm
Man's life is not a trip about powers, inborn-talents, but a trip in awareness. The key is BELIEF. You are exactly what you believe that you are. If you believe in your limited self and inferior status, that is who you express. If you believe in your un-limited Self and your Divinity as One, that is who you are.
There is no Karma, no past lives and/or contracts based on this, all this is created by Fear as a way for you to retard your evolution into the full realization of who you really are: One.
This is the trip of One: From One to the many as man, and back to One. A trip from Love to Fear, and back to Love again: The Eternal cycle of Creation for the us in One. It is the evening and morning of a cycle of Creation for the One.
You were NEVER really born, and you will NEVER really die. That is totally impossible. You have no real End, and no real Beginning in the Eternity of your stories as One experiencing again and again the many. Birth and Death are all illusions. You are, were, and will always be ONE ETERNAL BEING, ETERNAL ONE, GOD, no matter what you experience, think, or do. However the expressions of your Being might become painful or delightful, based on how far from the Truth of One you situate yourself. Fear will always beget pain, and pain will beget awakening back into Love. Love will always beget pleasure.
What you say is very close to my current beliefs. One topic I keep going back and forth on is the topic of karma. Ramtha, who got me started on spirituality, says there really is no karma - at least for past lives. He says "how can you be held accountable for something that you don't even remember? how would you fix it if you can't remember?" That makes a great deal of sense to me but almost all the other people I read say that we are working out karma from other lives. I see that you agree with the no karma idea... do you think ALL the authors that talk about past life karma are frauds that are purposefully deceiving everyone or are they just mistaken? another thing that I go back and forth on is "how pervasive is the corruption?"
sgabllab
11-10-2007, 02:57 PM
cool post dude.
I keep telling myself its time to stop looking without and start looking within but keep getting distracted.
also a book im halfway through about OBEs-
Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. you might be able to find it on scribd.com
some very interesting explanations he proposes.
also, coincidence? OBE experts -
rOBErt bruce
rOBErt monroe
rOBErt peterson
(yes, its a dumb coincidence)
auron
11-10-2007, 03:58 PM
Wow, I've never noticed that! :D
tothestars
11-10-2007, 09:06 PM
Karma has nothing to do with judgment.
It is based on the law of energy. Like attracts like.
Really, it is all about energy-attachments.
If you want to evolve to higher realms (where the energy is of higher vibrations) you need to to do some work to balance out the energy you have attached to yourself. That is if you want to. Nothing force you to do this. You can live lives upon lives in other worlds that correspond with your energyvibration (more or less) but you wont get to higher realms cause your energyvibration is not compatible with the energyvibration there. Physically you would burn up in less than a nanosecond if you tried to enter (not that entering without "permission" is possible for the individual).
For those who hasnt understood it yet. Earth is a schoolyard for playing out karma. Some have decided to experience hard tasks
some go for the easier (depends on what you need) and some break out completely and discard their soul-contract and go pure evil against every good thing that exist (they are know as the Illuminati and want every living soul to descend to the lowest vibration).
angelthecat
27-02-2008, 10:01 AM
well lets make things happen
It is time to start taking actions, I am a recent member of this forum but have been viewing it for quite a while, and now my realization has brought me to the conclusion that idle talk is really not going to achieve anything, yes you can love as much as you like but if you were to achieve a higher level of spirituality easily you would probably be dead, I don’t want to wait that long I think that people need enlightenment now whether they like it or not.
It is coming into spring time and it is time to start sowing seeds, yes the seeds of doubt, we must make them doubt they are already following the right course, I believe that the information we hold is wasted on us, it is time to start duplicated all of the DVD information and distribute it to those who can help, doctors, clergy, military service personnel and local police officers, text information must be supplied directly after the DVD’s to remind these personnel what part they are playing in the downfall of mankind and how it affects them. This could be the real start to the realisation of the truth by the masses and the beginning of real consciousness within the real world.
It is not just new levels and plains that should be reached for protection it is about time that we started to make movements into this reality as this is where we now physically exist and suffer.
joyful
27-02-2008, 03:41 PM
The NWo wants to bring the conspiracy movement to a head to make it easy to pop.
Don't bite, it is still a tiny movement yet...
ticker
27-02-2008, 03:55 PM
well lets make things happen
It is time to start taking actions, I am a recent member of this forum but have been viewing it for quite a while, and now my realization has brought me to the conclusion that idle talk is really not going to achieve anything, yes you can love as much as you like but if you were to achieve a higher level of spirituality easily you would probably be dead, I don’t want to wait that long I think that people need enlightenment now whether they like it or not.
It is coming into spring time and it is time to start sowing seeds, yes the seeds of doubt, we must make them doubt they are already following the right course, I believe that the information we hold is wasted on us, it is time to start duplicated all of the DVD information and distribute it to those who can help, doctors, clergy, military service personnel and local police officers, text information must be supplied directly after the DVD’s to remind these personnel what part they are playing in the downfall of mankind and how it affects them. This could be the real start to the realisation of the truth by the masses and the beginning of real consciousness within the real world.
It is not just new levels and plains that should be reached for protection it is about time that we started to make movements into this reality as this is where we now physically exist and suffer.
I agree, but I think the OP's intention for "this thread" was to get away from all of that and for everyone to remember to take the time and focus on themselves. Whether it be astral projection, meditation, or going for a walk in nature, do it! There is soo many threads regarding getting the word out about the NWO and all the negative events happening in our world we seem to lose our inner peace. Is this not what we are all fighting for in the first place? Inner peace.. World peace.. "PEACE" in general.
I've read the entire thread and really enjoyed it, there are lots of great posts here!:) To get back on topic though, has anyone got any ideas regarding some simple astral projection lessons where everyone could try it together? I think it would be really neat and it would also bring members of this forum closer together.:D
TiCkEr
cafetimes1991
08-05-2009, 03:02 PM
Bumpeth.
nirvana
08-05-2009, 08:46 PM
How many more disinfo agents do you want to recommend?
How is destroying your mind on LSD going to help prevent the NWO. Wake up man!
Because you will be so out of it you wont know.
cafetimes1991
12-05-2009, 07:54 PM
I did this today after school. Simple and effective:
http://eu.ipstatic.net/photos/10118/z95_1242154053.jpg
arty2000
13-05-2009, 12:50 AM
That's basically what I was trying to say. Thanks. ;)
All these courses and other things are great tools that can help us and give us wonderful insights. But the key is not to get stuck or give your power away.
As for pschadelics too much can mess up your energy fields. Also you can merge your awareness with plants and animals, etc.
The key is happyness and humour for then you see the cosmic joke of it all.
thats what its all about for me for me its like a football game..would you want to play the game if you knew every penalty,score etc?...thats why im here,to play the game/experience..I feel I can only be manipulated if I allow myself to be(on whatever level that might be)...thats what makes it so interesting and exciting....not knowing what the next play is and if along the way Im drawn to something that may raise my awareness sign me up...trust that wherever you are at any given moment is where you need to be in the game and when its time for me to leave...Bye Bye had fun ..see ya at the next frequency range;):)
peace and luv my friends:)
tothestars
13-05-2009, 09:51 AM
Drop the psilocybin and start handing out ayahuasca tea.
I couldnt agreed more!!!
tothestars
13-05-2009, 09:53 AM
Hey what about this for a start? --> Everyone that reads this go out for 5 minutes and do something good (an act of love)!
On my way now! :)
edit: just gave a tree a hug :D