Why Oneness is Laughing with Pogo

[f13ticket]

One of the most annoying things to me is that when I express laments about how painful it is to be awake, people come back with either trust in Oneness or let's all keep going and hopefully it will get better soon. I don't think so. I think you all are deluding yourselves. I'd like to introduce you to Pogo the Clown. This is someone I have recently been researching, so I apologize if I get any of the facts incorrect.

To preface, I began my journey into Spirituality through the Occult. My first real book to talk about concepts of Oneness, closer to as I see them now, was, “The Book of the Law.” The Occult always fascinated me because it preserves a true freedom for those in it to do whatever they want. Not whatever they want as long as it does not hurt anyone else. That's a, “New Ager.” The Occult describes how things really work. People who focus their Will can do whatever they want.

Pogo the Clown, also known as John Wayne Gacy, was an upstanding member of his town. He was head of a construction company and a democratic fund-raiser. He was well loved by neighbors and seen as a pillar in his community. He was so loved that those around him would bring their children over for parties and he would entertain them as Pogo the Clown. Almost anyone who looked at this guy, talked with this guy, would consider him to be a great man.

Pogo the Clown had another hobby too. He liked to kidnap young boys and men. They would either be prostitutes or runaways. From what I understand, his total reached somewhere of about thirty three boys and men. He would often times lure them in with kindness, but sometimes he would just grab them. He would then take them back to his house and gag them. There, he would rape them brutally and kill them. Many of them died from how far down their throats he would shoved the gags.

Pogo decided he would take most of the bodies and bury them down in his crawl space. He would use something, I think it was called quick lime but I am not totally sure, to poor over the bodies to help them decompose faster. Pogo eventually raped and killed so many boys that he began to run out of room in his crawl space for them. He started to take them over a bridge and dump them into what I think was a river.

Pogo once said that even a clown could get away with murder. I am not sure how anyone found out about Pogo. I'd have to do more research. But they eventually did. By the time they did find out, many of the bodies were decomposed so badly that it was hard to tell who they were. Eight of the thirty three deaths are still unidentified according to Wikipedia.

I read somewhere that some of his last words were along the lines of, “Killing me won't bring them back.” And, in truth, Pogo was right. Killing only makes more killing and does not bring back the people killed. It actually makes the people killing him a hypocrite because they are now killing him because he killed the children. For them to be truly not a hypocrite they would have to kill themselves. Or, have someone kill them. But, if they have someone kill them, the episode only continues. That is why capital punishments is not logical.

Pogo's very last words were said to be, “Kiss my ass.” Which he said before he was lead off to be executed. Pogo was said to have shown no remorse for any of his killings. While on death row Pogo took up oil paintings. Many of his paintings sale for large amounts of money. Some have reported dark events happening after having bought them. Here are a couple of them.

http://www.altereddimensions.net/images/crime/JohnWayneGacy/SexSkullPainting.jpg

http://www.altereddimensions.net/images/crime/JohnWayneGacy/PogoTheClown.jpg

The one is a skull, and it reminds me of humanity. It has a penis in its eye and that makes me ask if that means Pogo had sex with the skull or not. It also looks flesh-like. Like maybe Pogo is saying that humanity comes from blood and sex and that brutality in sex is natural.

The other painting shows a skull behind Pogo, almost puppeting him. I thought I read somewhere that the red thing under its neck means its the lead clown; but I could be wrong about that. I think Pogo is trying to say that death is his lead clown that puppets and works through the outer shell of happy Pogo the Clown.

My point with all of this is that Oneness never stopped any of it. His youngest kills were fourteen and his oldest kills were twenty one. Imagine being a fourteen year old boy. Being gagged, raped, and killed. You scream to Oneness or pray to God or Jesus. But they don't care. I have to wonder how many of those thirty three boys prayed on their lives to be saved by someone. Did Oneness swoop down and save them? Did Oneness make Pogo stop? No, Oneness was behind Pogo in the form of a skull laughing along with Pogo at how weak the boys were. Why? Because Pogo had the stronger will.

If anyone disagrees with my on that point, then please explain why it took thirty three rapes and murders before Pogo was stopped. I know why, because Oneness was on Pogo's side for having the stronger Will.

The same is true with the New World Order. They already dominate most of the world because they too are demon inspired. They too have a stronger will than most people; including most New Agers. The reason Oneness, God, Jesus does not come down and stop this evil is because Oneness is all of us and we are all Oneness. Oneness is Will; as is everything. So, if the other people abdicate their power and people like Pogo and the New World Order take that power; they become stronger willed and do whatever they want. Oneness backs the stronger Will.

I'm not saying anyone is more or less valuable. We are all equal in the value of our Will. It is only when someone decides to give up that value to someone else that they become more powerful. Oneness, being of Will, naturally fallows whoever has the most powerful Will.

I have posted a similar post, the Jedi and the Sith, explaining why this is so.

I just wanted to let everyone know about this because those who are in the New Age and are afraid of the Occult are only understanding part of the picture. And you're not going to win against the other team if you don't study their play book too. So many New Agers think Oneness is all about love. Pogo proves this is wrong. If Oneness is about love, then it would not stand by and laugh with Pogo as he raped those boys. Oneness would have stopped it. Most Christians would say God does not stop evil as to respect humanity's Free Will. Which, in short, is just a less intrusive way of saying that same thing I am saying. Oneness goes with the stronger Will and will not stop evil as evil is justified if it is the stronger Will.

Imagine their decomposing corpses in the basement while parties are held out back with laughing children and Pogo with balloons. This proves that this dark side is not just for the New World Order; regular people can get away, at least for a long time, with dark things too.

What is it that Pogo and the New World Order understand about Oneness and Will that the hippie-like New Agers are too afraid to touch because it reeks of the Occult? I already explained. I'm not advising that anyone goes out and kills people. I am advising that New Agers intent on stopping the New World Order actually understand that their enemy is just as justified in their stance as you are in yours and are only using the same spiritual truths for different goals. Just like the Jedi and the Sith. Yoda is preaching nothing different than what Palpatine knows. But Yoda is not setting up an Empire. Two people, two sides, knowing the same truths and acting on them in different ways.

I get tired that so many people, who should know better, are waiting for Oneness to save them when Oneness doesn't save people. Instead, Oneness goes with the most powerful Will. And, until New Agers make their Will the most powerful Will through a peaceful way, the New World Order and people like Pogo are going to rightfully rule this world by the law of how Will works.

[nayan]

very interesting thread and your opinion towards it is very strong. i must say, this thread has catched me a lot and got me thinking about Oneness, you got a very deep thread here my friend.

i was incredibly shocked when you said the Oneness was on Pogo's side and how it was laughing at the people who suffered because it was all about Will, Pogo had the Will to do something powerful therefore the Oneness was on his side, it does make sense indeed. it kind of takes away the good and evil, like you said your not telling people to kill but your just referring to the New World Order and how their methods are similar.

if you understand who you truely are and the enviroment your living in, then that is also known as power, right? just like you said, the New World Order has the demon inspired, we may have another inspiration that is completly opposite, so does that mean when i see 11:11 or 11 anywhere? the Oneness is on my side? although the Oneness will not save me but i am saving myself from the New World Order and that is known as power. i hope it makes sense to you.

It actually makes the people killing him a hypocrite because they are now killing him because he killed the children. For them to be truly not a hypocrite they would have to kill themselves. Or, have someone kill them. But, if they have someone kill them, the episode only continues. That is why capital punishments is not logical.

just wanted to ask how does it make someone a hypocrite if they are trying to kill him?

[f13ticket]

very interesting thread and your opinion towards it is very strong. i must say, this thread has catched me a lot and got me thinking about Oneness, you got a very deep thread here my friend.

i was incredibly shocked when you said the Oneness was on Pogo's side and how it was laughing at the people who suffered because it was all about Will, Pogo had the Will to do something powerful therefore the Oneness was on his side, it does make sense indeed. it kind of takes away the good and evil, like you said your not telling people to kill but your just referring to the New World Order and how their methods are similar.

if you understand who you truely are and the enviroment your living in, then that is also known as power, right? just like you said, the New World Order has the demon inspired, we may have another inspiration that is completly opposite, so does that mean when i see 11:11 or 11 anywhere? the Oneness is on my side? although the Oneness will not save me but i am saving myself from the New World Order and that is known as power. i hope it makes sense to you.



just wanted to ask how does it make someone a hypocrite if they are trying to kill him?

Thank you for your response. I realize that what I wrote is rather shocking and I wondered if I should write it as I did not want people thinking that I was like Pogo. But I felt that I needed a powerful example to illustrate my point. Morality is best understood when we realize that Will goes with whatever we choose. And that there is no empirical or imperative morality. Rather, morality is here if we choose to have it and it is what we choose to make it.

That being understood, we need to educate people about how Oneness really works so that it isn't twisted.

Some people think that Oneness is love. The Matrix/New World Order is evil. And if we all hug, and trust in Oneness that everything will just be okay.

How is that different than what Christians are saying? God is love. The Devil/New World Order is evil. And if we hug, and trust in God that everything will just be okay.

Neither of these are correct and neither of these work. They are two different wordings of advising people to sit on their but, trust blindly in, "Good," (Good is a judging of an action and not something itself. So this view of trust in a , "Good," being is already flawed.) and that everything will just turn out fine. This does not work. It makes these people lazy sitting ducks.

We need to know that if we choose to enter this battle it is not predestined that the side that does, "good," will win. That is a security blanket that Christians, and apparently some in the New Age, take to bed with them at night so they can sleep. We need to peacefully develop the Will of those who do actions that we with a goal of a freedom respecting society would judge as good in such a way that it outshines the black sun of those that do actions that take us to a dictatorial goal. Oneness is us, so that means we have to do it if we want it. Oneness won't do it for us. The New World Order knows this. That is why they're busting their buts to set up their idea society before the rest of us wake up and start competing.

This is not to say we even have to compete. Oneness is all things. Thus all people doing all actions are in it. Also, Oneness, Consciousness, is eternal. Even if the New World Order has the snake eat its own tail; (World becomes a ball of hate and destruction where it kill itself and or they collapse this realm of reality completely.) Oneness can always rebuild from Un-Manifested Consciousness by manifesting it again like it did in the first place. So, even worse case scenario does not kill Oneness. However, a lot of us might choose to be on the side of those doing actions that are what those respecting freedom would call good because we don't want to see the world die. Because those doing actions that are what those respecting freedom would call evil might try to kill this world. Or, at the very least, make it hellish.

"although the Oneness will not save me but i am saving myself from the New World Order and that is known as power."

That's exactly what I am saying. :-)

[unenlightened_waffle]

I completely understand where you are coming from, smelling the flowers and believing in love is only part of the solution, you need to go down into your darkest desires and see the truth as well. The reason why there are not more pogo's is the same reason there is not more Gandhi's and that is fear.

People need to overcome fear and then they have the strength to be part of the light/dark as they see fit. Control and power over situations is the key to it but without moral code we will become evil but moral code can act as a fear, like some religions.

Can I say why it happens..... no but it does and more people have to face this.

Good post!

[1977]

The other Pogo also had much to say on this subject.

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/7311/pogoposter.jpg

"Love is the law, love under will..."

[nectars]

"Love is the law, love under will..."

Amazing how many buy into that nonsense.

[f13ticket]

"Love is the law, love under will..."

Amazing how many buy into that nonsense.

The quote makes sense. From my understanding it puts Will at the top, even above love. I don't see how it could be any other way.

The Book of the Law is where I draw a lot of my views of Spirituality. I find it meshes nicely with David Icke's work. Even though some might describe it as darker and or Occult.

[nectars]

The quote makes sense. From my understanding it puts Will at the top, even above love. I don't see how it could be any other way.

The Book of the Law is where I draw a lot of my views of Spirituality. I find it meshes nicely with David Icke's work. Even though some might describe it as darker and or Occult.

It will make sense until it doesn't.

I'm well aware of the quote as I had quite an interest in the occult for some time. Crowley however is(in my humble opinion) not the darker side of it. For that look into the likes of "E.A. Koetting", he has a much more practical means of operation in that direction. Although there is much that can be learned from the occult studies and practice, it still remains a distraction from Truth. There is a much simpler path which when found can achieve all that the occult teachings can and more, for which reason I finally turned my back on the occult.

The Will as above is the emotion of love, however the True Love in question is far beyond "Will", without it the Will couldn't even be. There is another aspect of consciousness which is Love -yet unrecognised as such; and which the true use of the Will is continually mistaken for.


Dont mistake me for a Christian as I'm not, but I'll leave some qoutes for reflection. When the true symbolic meaning of these is discovered the sheer magnitude of the Truth within them is astounding.


2. Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.] - Gospel of Thomas"

5. Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. [And there is nothing buried that will not be raised.] - Gospel of Thomas"

"And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, and ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." - Romans 12:2

[f13ticket]

Although there is much that can be learned from the occult studies and practice, it still remains a distraction from Truth.

I share this view. I also share the view that religion is the same. But a view I have and doubt you share, but could be wrong, is that peace, love, and the New Age is just as much a distraction. I see New Age and Occult like the American Two Party System. Both are distractions that prop each other up. The Occult lures you in with promises of power and fulfilling your deepest, darkest, desires. The New Age draws you in with promises of empowerment and equality for all and a Oneness that loves everyone and forgives anything. It is only through substantial listening and compare and contrast of Republican and Democrat can anyone realize that they are just two side of the same dictatorial force. I see the same with the New Age and the Occult. Only when we compare and contrast the two can we see the greater truth of how things really work that is beyond the both of them. Many of the New Age, and I use that term loosely as it covers a very broad and diverse group of people, are blinding themselves from the Occult, locking themselves into one slanted perspective, and are not observing the Oneness that is beyond these squabbles where people lash out incorrectly saying that the New Age is good and the Occult is evil. These are both imbalances and Icke devotes Chapter 10 of, "Infinite Love," to this.

The Will as above is the emotion of love, however the True Love in question is far beyond "Will", without it the Will couldn't even be. There is another aspect of consciousness which is Love -yet unrecognised as such; and which the true use of the Will is continually mistaken for.

I respect that you have taken the time to reply to me. But this quotation I can not see and do not understand. To place Love above Will, or to try to join the two, is where I feel both you and David Icke make a logical fallacy. I do not know if it is done on purpose to advocate for your hopeful victory of the New Age over the Occult, such as how some Christians repeat the ideas of Jesus coming back and saving them like a security blanket, or if you honestly view Will and Love as the same thing, or perhaps Love as higher than Will.

This is unbalanced and dysfunctional Spirituality. Why do you assume that Oneness, the collection of all Will, is loving? I know that many do it as a source of comfort. What proof have you that the power of Hate is not equal to the power of Love? Hate moves as much in this world, and it seems more in recent years, than Love does. I find that Love and Hate, like New Age and Occult, like Jesus and Satan, like Good and Evil, like Republican and Democrat, or opo-sames. (Did I spell that right?) Two things that appear different but are really the same. As such, realizing that they are the same is the key to understanding their true nature. Once we realize Love and Hate are the same and look at what is beyond their combined entity. The Oneness, the Will, that combines all things. Only then we can see the true nature of Oneness that is always slanted and skewed viewed any other way but this.

How would you define Love? A strong and passionate action? How is Hate any different? One is Creation and One is Destruction? Will is eternal and can not be created or destroyed. Nothing really dies or is born. All is as it is in the simultaneous now that is the combined past, present, and future.

My suggestion is that you will do better in understanding Oneness if you realize that Love and Hate are the same. That everything is inside of and is part of Oneness. And that Oneness, Consciousness, is Will.

It will make sense until it doesn't.

I advise that it no longer makes sense to you because by turning your back on the understandings that can be found by researching the Occult you are turning your back on part of Oneness. You are denying yourself the ability to see the complete picture and are thus locking yourself into one slanted viewpoint. As such, the truth in its completeness is something you fail to make sense of because you are denying yourself the rest of the pieces to the puzzle.

[unbornawakened]

Thanks for the thought-provoking post. I have also over many years held such similar opinions, but it did not serve me well, and I have moved beyond. But the point you are raising is a very serious one and it deserves an answer.

If one does not believe in a omnipotent controlling God, then your point is moot. It is all in our hands, and we can take it in any direction we like, and there is no supernatural omnipotent policeman - only human ones - to monitor and punish anyone.

Also, it may be a fallacy to think that only good must exist in the world. Our reality obviously shows otherwise. The 'evil' you see in the world is not parachuted from a Satanic entity, in my opinion , but it is part of our psyche which has both 'good' and 'bad' in it.

Even mainstram religious people, who believe in the omnipotent creator God, will tell you that God does not interfere (at least in 'this' world) because he has endowed us with free will, and if he did interfere he would be going against his own principle of allowing us free will. To address the question of justice they will tell you that the 'bad' ones will be punished after their death.

Mystics, proponents of oneness , will also have an answer for you (right or wrong). They will tell you that you are living a dream, perhaps a collective one but with a private window (your own) into it ... and since you are yourself the ultimate creator you have the power to end it as well. There is no other creator / God who can save you, your belief in an external creator God is the illusion you must overcome ... here is another quote from NM.

Q: It cannot be so bad! I exist in your world as you exist in mine.
M: You have no evidence of my world. You are completely
wrapped up in the world of your own making.
Q: I see. Completely, but — hopelessly?
M: Within the prison of your world appears a man who tells you
that the world of painful contradictions, which you have created,
is neither continuous nor permanent and is based on a misap-
prehension. He pleads with you to get out of it, by the same way
by which you got into it. You got into it by forgetting what you are
and you will get out of it by knowing yourself as you are.
Q: In what way does it affect the world?
M: When you are free of the world, you can do something about
it. As long as you are a prisoner of it, you are helpless to change
it. On the contrary, whatever you do will aggravate the situation.
Q: Righteousness will set me free.
M: Righteousness will undoubtedly make you and your world a
comfortable, even happy place. But what is the use? There is no
reality in it. It cannot last.
Q: God will help.
M: To help you God must know your existence. But you and
your world are dream states. In dream you may suffer agonies.
None knows them, and none can help you.



One of the most annoying things to me is that when I express laments about how painful it is to be awake, people come back with either trust in Oneness or let's all keep going and hopefully it will get better soon. I don't think so. I think you all are deluding yourselves. I'd like to introduce you to Pogo the Clown. This is someone I have recently been researching, so I apologize if I get any of the facts incorrect.

[unbornawakened]

Gacy became active in Chicago's Democratic Party, first volunteering to clean the party offices.[35] In 1975 and 1976, he served on the Norwood Park Township street lighting committee.[37] He eventually earned the title of precinct captain.[5] In this capacity, he met and was photographed with First Lady Rosalynn Carter, who was in town for the annual Polish Constitution Day Parade, held on May 6, 1978.[38] Gacy was directing the parade that year, for the third year in a row. Carter posed for pictures with Gacy and autographed the photo "To John Gacy. Best Wishes. Rosalynn Carter". In the picture, Gacy is wearing an "S" pin, indicating a person who has received special clearance by the United States Secret Service.[39] During the search of Gacy's house after his arrest, this photo caused a major embarrassment to the Secret Service.[40]

[truthseeker08]

It will make sense until it doesn't.
Exactly, but you shouldnt even try to explain this to them,
let them figure it out the hard way. The ones placing importance of Will, dont even understand where it is truly coming from.
Love isint weak.


The Will as above is the emotion of love, however the True Love in question is far beyond "Will", without it the Will couldn't even be. There is another aspect of consciousness which is Love -yet unrecognised as such; and which the true use of the Will is continually mistaken for.
Spoken like someone has understood this on a deeper level.
Do you know that it is only by grace that you are even allowed to realize this. :)

[whiterain]

nice thought provoking thread. however i dont think people who speak of oneness, speak of the nwo as being seperate or opposite, just part of the oneness. also thinking positively that it will all work out is not the same as just giving up and doing nothing.

again this seems alot like those posts that burden some hypothetical 'new ager' with a set of beliefs that you will be hard pushed to find a real person who thinks like that

also there is no good and bad. oneness if it exists is just a lifeform like the rest of us- not evil/not good but capable of both. by the very fact that we are here, we have all already won




ps if you are oneness but oneness will not save you, so you choose to save yourself, have you not been saved by oneness? ;)

[f13ticket]

Gacy became active in Chicago's Democratic Party, first volunteering to clean the party offices.[35] In 1975 and 1976, he served on the Norwood Park Township street lighting committee.[37] He eventually earned the title of precinct captain.[5] In this capacity, he met and was photographed with First Lady Rosalynn Carter, who was in town for the annual Polish Constitution Day Parade, held on May 6, 1978.[38] Gacy was directing the parade that year, for the third year in a row. Carter posed for pictures with Gacy and autographed the photo "To John Gacy. Best Wishes. Rosalynn Carter". In the picture, Gacy is wearing an "S" pin, indicating a person who has received special clearance by the United States Secret Service.[39] During the search of Gacy's house after his arrest, this photo caused a major embarrassment to the Secret Service.[40]

Nice one. I too read that but was waiting to see if anyone else caught the connection. :)

again this seems alot like those posts that burden some hypothetical 'new ager' with a set of beliefs that you will be hard pushed to find a real person who thinks like that

True. New Age is a large umbrella term, as is Pagan. They cover such a broad group of people that it is rather difficult to use as a term. I am using it more so as a way of saying in general Spiritual but not Religious or Occult.


also there is no good and bad. oneness if it exists is just a lifeform like the rest of us- not evil/not good but capable of both. by the very fact that we are here, we have all already won

Oneness does exist. And you are right, there is no complete loosing with Oneness as Oneness is eternal. However, we still might fall short of our goals that we set.


ps if you are oneness but oneness will not save you, so you choose to save yourself, have you not been saved by oneness? ;)

In a manner of speaking, yes. And that is my point. Oneness takes on two forms here. Gacy and his victim. One won, another lost. Thirty three times. It's a battle of Will. Those who died, their spirits still exist. Not sure if they chose to reincarnate or go to an afterlife somewhere. That's up to them.

Also, here is another interesting tidbit.

"Finally, Gacy’s terrifying string of crimes could be relegated to memory -- or could it?

By the spring of 1979, Gacy’s home at 8213 West Summerdale had been reduced to ruin. Once the remains of the house were cleared away, it became a muddy, vacant lot and a continuing reminder to the neighborhood of the monster who had once been in their midst. All vestiges of the house, even the driveway and barbecue pit, were hauled away but still the onlookers came, macabre curiosity-seeking tourists who flocked to the once peaceful residential area. Neighbors hoped that with all traces of the house removed that the line of cars would finally stopped. The quiet would return, they believed, once the notoriety of the spot began to fade, warmer weather came and the grass began to grow back over the open scar where the house of John Wayne Gacy had once stood.

Unfortunately though, the grass did not return. Even more than 18 months after the house was destroyed, the land remained strangely barren. Some weeds had started to grow near the front sidewalk but the back of the lot, where the house had stood and where the bodies had been buried, remained completely empty of plant life, despite the fact that there was no logical reason for the soil to be bare.

Those searching for an explanation suggested that perhaps the lime that Gacy had dusted the bodies of his victims with had contaminated the soil in some way but police officers who were involved in the actual recovery of the bodies disputed this. They insisted that Gacy had never used enough lime to cause any damage to the lot. The shallow graves where the bodies lay had been carefully unearthed and then later, a backhoe had been brought in to dig down 8 to 10 feet to be sure that nothing was missed. The small amount of lime that had been used would not have survived this and even so, no lime had been used under the garage or in the backyard -- and yet no grass would grow there either.

It was as though the evil deeds that had occurred on the spot had left a supernatural mark on the site, not allowing the grass to grow or for the events to be forgotten. The mystery of the barren soil lasted for a few more years and then the lot was sold and a new house was built on the site. The new owners even went to the trouble of changing the physical address of the location so that the stigma would be removed. Fortunately for them, their efforts worked and once the construction was completed, the grass began to grow once again. The nightmare, it seemed, was finally over."

Exactly, but you shouldnt even try to explain this to them,
let them figure it out the hard way. The ones placing importance of Will, dont even understand where it is truly coming from.
Love isint weak.



Spoken like someone has understood this on a deeper level.
Do you know that it is only by grace that you are even allowed to realize this. :)

I already wrote a reply to this viewpoint to nectars on the previous page. You seem to be agreeing with him and my points are the same. So it would seem redundant of me to re-post the same points. I would suggesting reading them.

[f13ticket]

Please delete, sorry for the double post.

[whiterain]

Nice one. I too read that but was waiting to see if anyone else caught the connection. :)



True. New Age is a large umbrella term, as is Pagan. They cover such a broad group of people that it is rather difficult to use as a term. I am using it more so as a way of saying in general Spiritual but not Religious or Occult.



Oneness does exist. And you are right, there is no complete loosing with Oneness as Oneness is eternal. However, we still might fall short of our goals that we set.



In a manner of speaking, yes. And that is my point. Oneness takes on two forms here. Gacy and his victim. One won, another lost. Thirty three times. It's a battle of Will. Those who died, their spirits still exist. Not sure if they chose to reincarnate or go to an afterlife somewhere. That's up to them.

Also, here is another interesting tidbit.

"Finally, Gacy’s terrifying string of crimes could be relegated to memory -- or could it?

By the spring of 1979, Gacy’s home at 8213 West Summerdale had been reduced to ruin. Once the remains of the house were cleared away, it became a muddy, vacant lot and a continuing reminder to the neighborhood of the monster who had once been in their midst. All vestiges of the house, even the driveway and barbecue pit, were hauled away but still the onlookers came, macabre curiosity-seeking tourists who flocked to the once peaceful residential area. Neighbors hoped that with all traces of the house removed that the line of cars would finally stopped. The quiet would return, they believed, once the notoriety of the spot began to fade, warmer weather came and the grass began to grow back over the open scar where the house of John Wayne Gacy had once stood.

Unfortunately though, the grass did not return. Even more than 18 months after the house was destroyed, the land remained strangely barren. Some weeds had started to grow near the front sidewalk but the back of the lot, where the house had stood and where the bodies had been buried, remained completely empty of plant life, despite the fact that there was no logical reason for the soil to be bare.

Those searching for an explanation suggested that perhaps the lime that Gacy had dusted the bodies of his victims with had contaminated the soil in some way but police officers who were involved in the actual recovery of the bodies disputed this. They insisted that Gacy had never used enough lime to cause any damage to the lot. The shallow graves where the bodies lay had been carefully unearthed and then later, a backhoe had been brought in to dig down 8 to 10 feet to be sure that nothing was missed. The small amount of lime that had been used would not have survived this and even so, no lime had been used under the garage or in the backyard -- and yet no grass would grow there either.

It was as though the evil deeds that had occurred on the spot had left a supernatural mark on the site, not allowing the grass to grow or for the events to be forgotten. The mystery of the barren soil lasted for a few more years and then the lot was sold and a new house was built on the site. The new owners even went to the trouble of changing the physical address of the location so that the stigma would be removed. Fortunately for them, their efforts worked and once the construction was completed, the grass began to grow once again. The nightmare, it seemed, was finally over."



I already wrote a reply to this viewpoint to nectars on the previous page. You seem to be agreeing with him and my points are the same. So it would seem redundant of me to re-post the same points. I would suggesting reading them.

sounds like the opposite of the abundance of warmer weather plants on the bosnian pyramid

[vladmir]

I already wrote a reply to this viewpoint to nectars on the previous page. You seem to be agreeing with him and my points are the same. So it would seem redundant of me to re-post the same points. I would suggesting reading them.
Its not in the lines, its in between them.

[aronia]

One of the most annoying things to me is that when I express laments about how painful it is to be awake, people come back with either trust in Oneness or let's all keep going and hopefully it will get better soon. I don't think so. I think you all are deluding yourselves. I'd like to introduce you to Pogo the Clown. This is someone I have recently been researching, so I apologize if I get any of the facts incorrect.

To preface, I began my journey into Spirituality through the Occult. My first real book to talk about concepts of Oneness, closer to as I see them now, was, “The Book of the Law.” The Occult always fascinated me because it preserves a true freedom for those in it to do whatever they want. Not whatever they want as long as it does not hurt anyone else. That's a, “New Ager.” The Occult describes how things really work. People who focus their Will can do whatever they want.

Pogo the Clown, also known as John Wayne Gacy, was an upstanding member of his town. He was head of a construction company and a democratic fund-raiser. He was well loved by neighbors and seen as a pillar in his community. He was so loved that those around him would bring their children over for parties and he would entertain them as Pogo the Clown. Almost anyone who looked at this guy, talked with this guy, would consider him to be a great man.

Pogo the Clown had another hobby too. He liked to kidnap young boys and men. They would either be prostitutes or runaways. From what I understand, his total reached somewhere of about thirty three boys and men. He would often times lure them in with kindness, but sometimes he would just grab them. He would then take them back to his house and gag them. There, he would rape them brutally and kill them. Many of them died from how far down their throats he would shoved the gags.

Pogo decided he would take most of the bodies and bury them down in his crawl space. He would use something, I think it was called quick lime but I am not totally sure, to poor over the bodies to help them decompose faster. Pogo eventually raped and killed so many boys that he began to run out of room in his crawl space for them. He started to take them over a bridge and dump them into what I think was a river.

Pogo once said that even a clown could get away with murder. I am not sure how anyone found out about Pogo. I'd have to do more research. But they eventually did. By the time they did find out, many of the bodies were decomposed so badly that it was hard to tell who they were. Eight of the thirty three deaths are still unidentified according to Wikipedia.

I read somewhere that some of his last words were along the lines of, “Killing me won't bring them back.” And, in truth, Pogo was right. Killing only makes more killing and does not bring back the people killed. It actually makes the people killing him a hypocrite because they are now killing him because he killed the children. For them to be truly not a hypocrite they would have to kill themselves. Or, have someone kill them. But, if they have someone kill them, the episode only continues. That is why capital punishments is not logical.

Pogo's very last words were said to be, “Kiss my ass.” Which he said before he was lead off to be executed. Pogo was said to have shown no remorse for any of his killings. While on death row Pogo took up oil paintings. Many of his paintings sale for large amounts of money. Some have reported dark events happening after having bought them. Here are a couple of them.

http://www.altereddimensions.net/images/crime/JohnWayneGacy/SexSkullPainting.jpg

http://www.altereddimensions.net/images/crime/JohnWayneGacy/PogoTheClown.jpg

The one is a skull, and it reminds me of humanity. It has a penis in its eye and that makes me ask if that means Pogo had sex with the skull or not. It also looks flesh-like. Like maybe Pogo is saying that humanity comes from blood and sex and that brutality in sex is natural.

The other painting shows a skull behind Pogo, almost puppeting him. I thought I read somewhere that the red thing under its neck means its the lead clown; but I could be wrong about that. I think Pogo is trying to say that death is his lead clown that puppets and works through the outer shell of happy Pogo the Clown.

My point with all of this is that Oneness never stopped any of it. His youngest kills were fourteen and his oldest kills were twenty one. Imagine being a fourteen year old boy. Being gagged, raped, and killed. You scream to Oneness or pray to God or Jesus. But they don't care. I have to wonder how many of those thirty three boys prayed on their lives to be saved by someone. Did Oneness swoop down and save them? Did Oneness make Pogo stop? No, Oneness was behind Pogo in the form of a skull laughing along with Pogo at how weak the boys were. Why? Because Pogo had the stronger will.

If anyone disagrees with my on that point, then please explain why it took thirty three rapes and murders before Pogo was stopped. I know why, because Oneness was on Pogo's side for having the stronger Will.

The same is true with the New World Order. They already dominate most of the world because they too are demon inspired. They too have a stronger will than most people; including most New Agers. The reason Oneness, God, Jesus does not come down and stop this evil is because Oneness is all of us and we are all Oneness. Oneness is Will; as is everything. So, if the other people abdicate their power and people like Pogo and the New World Order take that power; they become stronger willed and do whatever they want. Oneness backs the stronger Will.

I'm not saying anyone is more or less valuable. We are all equal in the value of our Will. It is only when someone decides to give up that value to someone else that they become more powerful. Oneness, being of Will, naturally fallows whoever has the most powerful Will.

I have posted a similar post, the Jedi and the Sith, explaining why this is so.

I just wanted to let everyone know about this because those who are in the New Age and are afraid of the Occult are only understanding part of the picture. And you're not going to win against the other team if you don't study their play book too. So many New Agers think Oneness is all about love. Pogo proves this is wrong. If Oneness is about love, then it would not stand by and laugh with Pogo as he raped those boys. Oneness would have stopped it. Most Christians would say God does not stop evil as to respect humanity's Free Will. Which, in short, is just a less intrusive way of saying that same thing I am saying. Oneness goes with the stronger Will and will not stop evil as evil is justified if it is the stronger Will.

Imagine their decomposing corpses in the basement while parties are held out back with laughing children and Pogo with balloons. This proves that this dark side is not just for the New World Order; regular people can get away, at least for a long time, with dark things too.

What is it that Pogo and the New World Order understand about Oneness and Will that the hippie-like New Agers are too afraid to touch because it reeks of the Occult? I already explained. I'm not advising that anyone goes out and kills people. I am advising that New Agers intent on stopping the New World Order actually understand that their enemy is just as justified in their stance as you are in yours and are only using the same spiritual truths for different goals. Just like the Jedi and the Sith. Yoda is preaching nothing different than what Palpatine knows. But Yoda is not setting up an Empire. Two people, two sides, knowing the same truths and acting on them in different ways.

I get tired that so many people, who should know better, are waiting for Oneness to save them when Oneness doesn't save people. Instead, Oneness goes with the most powerful Will. And, until New Agers make their Will the most powerful Will through a peaceful way, the New World Order and people like Pogo are going to rightfully rule this world by the law of how Will works.

I don`understand much of what you writing in this thread.

But you are right, the evil new world order agenda will continue regards of David Icke and others are trying to tell you/us.

In lecture on Saturday the 24 Oct 2009 in Gothernburg Sweden, David try to tell us the agenda will break down in 2016.

Witch is utter BULLSHIT.

I don`t know where he has it from.

But from now on it will only get worst.

We will live on a true prisonplanet or like David said in his book the biggest secret from Feb 1999, a global version of nazi germany.

[nectars]

Do you know that it is only by grace that you are even allowed to realize this. :)

Yes :)

Often its not possible to post either through apparent deliberate interferance or external distractions.

[tejas]

Yes :)

Often its not possible to post either through apparent deliberate interferance or external distractions.

explain?

[metallikitty]

http://www.altereddimensions.net/images/crime/JohnWayneGacy/SexSkullPainting.jpg

The one is a skull, and it reminds me of humanity. It has a penis in its eye and that makes me ask if that means Pogo had sex with the skull or not. It also looks flesh-like. Like maybe Pogo is saying that humanity comes from blood and sex and that brutality in sex is natural.

or possibly it is just a representation of being 'cockeyed' :o

sorry but that was my thought upon reading the description. honestly did not observe the penis in the eye until second glance. but i am screwy minded from stress, lack of sleep, etc. and not as observant as normal...

fascinating none the less. never knew he was an artist.