A birth is a self-evident event

[johngr]

Why the need to "certify" it (and who benefits)?

Does anyone know about the history of the birth certificate? How they came to be used? (We used to use family bibles).

[johngr]

The recording of genealogies goes WAY back.

I don't think the purpose can really be explained very easily with words without a lot of background information.

It is one of the purposes of various secret societies to teach the purpose of genealogies through symbology and metaphor.

Let's try it from a couple of different angles and give you some food for thought.

Quantum theory basically holds that nothing exists until someone observes it. It is just a field of probabilities until the observation. The universe becomes a holodeck of sorts that simulates a universe for our benefit under quantum theory. In other words, the universe is just information. It has no substance.

But that information does remain consistent once observed so the universe makes sense and the simulation is very convincing. One can assume that whatever is providing the simulation has limits to the amount of information it can store. Otherwise it would simply store a complete simulation of all of the universe including the parts that haven't yet been observed at full resolution. It doesn't. It stores only clouds of probabilities. So we can assume there are limits to the data storage capacities of whatever is simulating this universe.

We also know that the simulation is for our benefit. It is our observation that makes probability waves collapse. So... one can also assume (although it hasn't ever been proven) that events that aren't stored and don't have any possibility of ever being observed again probably fuzz out into a probability wave again in order to save storage space in whatever is providing the simulation.

So... recording births, deaths and marriages in a form that allows future generations to review that information forces the simulation to stay consistent in those details.

But why?

That was the science side. We must now delve into religion if only for the reason that religion has been the motivation for those recordings. You say yourself that it was common at one time to record that information in the blank pages in the family Bible.

But the religion link goes much further than even the convenience of placing that data in the family Bible (and is remarkable also in the scriptures of other religions that don't use the Bible as their scriptures).

In fact, it isn't just the blank pages at the front of the family Bible where genealogy data is stored. It is contained within the scriptures itself. There are long lists of genealogies in the scriptures of all religions.

And there are details within the stories of all religions that make certain people special or other people unspecial and worthy of being wiped out. Reading the apocrypha of Enoch (Ethiopian version) tells an interesting variation of the flood story. David Icke interviewed a Zulu priest who told an interesting story regarding genealogy from the perspective of his almost extinct original Zulu religion.

The religious aspects of the answer to this question take a lot of pondering, study and deobfuscation of the purposes involved. I've given you a start. You really need to jump in with both feet and study the religious side to get some further light and knowledge on that side of the subject.

Let's look at it biologically though. There are at least two species (mostly incompatible) of mankind on this planet. The two species normally can't mate and have viable offspring in one combination of genders.

This one crosses the religion/myth/history barrier a bit, but we can see the actual biological reality in addition to the harder to see religious/historical implications.

The two species today are simply known as Rhesus negative and Rhesus positive. An Australian man who received a number of incompatible blood donations after a serious accident when he was a teenager provides the technical methodology for these two species to mate today. He survived receiving blood from the other species (rh+) which normally kills his species (rh-).

This also occurs when the male of the rh+ species impregnates the female of the rh- species. There is a rejection that usually results in miscarriage or still born birth especially after the 1st child. This is the evidence that there are at least two species of mankind on this planet.

This has been known since the beginning. The myths and legends of all religions mention these two species in some way and warn against attempting mating. It is the basis of the "blood brother" test of the native American population and the prohibition against Jewish women marrying non-Jewish men... and the myths that encourage royal blood lines not to mate outside of royal blood lines.

In biological terms, it has been important to know your genealogy in order to prove your species. Both species seem to find that important from a religious/historical reason in addition to the biological reason of not wanting to attempt mating (until recently when the Australian man allowed for the creation of a drug that made mating between our two species fairly routine).

It it an interesting road to explore. I hope I gave you some food for thought on how to explore it more.

Your response is way outside the scope what I had in mind. I mean the specifically government-issued certificate mandated by a vital statistics department, as it is relevant of FOTL, not the subject of geneaology recording genereally, which traditionally the family patriarch was responsible for.

[rosix]

Why the need to "certify" it (and who benefits)?

Does anyone know about the history of the birth certificate? How they came to be used? (We used to use family bibles).

yes my brother this is truly a gob stopper for the naysayers, another 'clue' to the true nature of the BC is when you combine what you have eloquently posed with the fact that it is clearly stated to not be proof of identity.. so what is it then eh? hahaha

[antipharisee]

3-14. Parens Patriae - Government as Parent - In 1921, the federal Sheppard-Towner Maternity Act was passed creating birth "registration" or what we now know as the "birth certificate." It was known as the "Maternity Act" and was sold to the American people as a law that would reduce maternal and infant mortality, protect the health of mothers and infants, and for other purposes ...... Prior to 1921 the records of births and names of children were entered into family Bibles, as were the records of marriages and deaths. These records were readily accepted by both the family and the law as "official" records. Since 1921 the American people have been registering the births and names of their children with the government of the state in which they are born, even though there is no federal law requiring it ...... In 1933, bankruptcy was covertly declared by President Roosevelt. The governors of the then 48 States pledged the "full faith and credit" of their states, including the citizenry, as collateral for loans of credit from the Federal Reserve system ...... This author believes that the federal government draws its de facto jurisdiction for these actions from the "Doctrine of Parens Patriae." Parens Patriae means literally, "parent of the country." ...... With the birth registration established, the federal government, under the doctrine of Parens Patriae, had the mechanism to take over all the assets of the American people and put them into debt into perpetuity ...... Parents, without full disclosure under law, make application for a "birth certificate," thereby making the child a citizen of the corporate government known as the United States. The government then turns the new citizen into a corporation, a legal fiction, under the laws of the state. The birth information is collected by the state and is then turned over to the U.S. Department of Commerce. The corporation is then placed into a "trust", known as a "Cestui Que Trust" ...... The government becomes the Trustee, while the child becomes the beneficiary of his own trust. Legal title to everything the child will ever own is now vested in the federal government. More:
http://sites.google.com/site/judicialdeception/homepage-three

[antipharisee]

The Queen says to Christopher Columbus, Hey Chris go out
and discover some new lands and take control of them.
He says okay Queen but what law shall I use, she says you're
the captain of a ship use your Maritime/Admiralty Law.

So the lands he takes control of are under Maritime/Admiralty jurisdiction.

A ship goes along a CANAL and it BERTHs at the DOCK.

BERTHS??? ya it ***JOINS*** with the DOCK.

A baby (babylon?), better use a different word, A new Man or a new Woman
comes down the mother's CANAL and is BIRTHed by a DOCK-tor.

The new Man or the new Woman is on the Earth for 22 years,
when all of a sudden another man with a blue costume and
a gun says, What is the date of your Birth?

Meaning, What day did you ***JOIN*** our club that has you
as a SLAVE and me as a MASTER?

Don't acknowledge "joining" the club or being "born", you might say
"Am I obliged to give you the heresay date that I exited
my mother's womb?"

Any words that are important to them don't use,
like NAME, ADDRESS, BIRTHDATE.

[godgoo]

It is one of the purposes of various secret societies to teach the purpose of genealogies through symbology and metaphor.

What I dont get is why these societies have such an enthusiasm to give us all the right to a birth certificate. Its like they are humanitarians on one hand, and War mongerers on the other?

What is with the interest, why are we of interest? And why are we not just scraped off? Surely they could have a nicer existence without us?

I think the human movement is more complex than any of us? It comes right from the top I think. I put it all down to a human super race. What else could make sense of it all?

[brianthebrain]

A ship goes along a CANAL and it BERTHs at the DOCK.

BERTHS??? ya it ***JOINS*** with the DOCK.


".

You do realize that berth and birth are not only spelt differently but come from completely different entomology

and they dis the education system:)

[godgoo]

Ascribing political interests to secret societies is a common mistake. We see correlations between the French revolution and the American revolution and can easily see evidence that the secret societies desired or causes both to occur. It is merely coincidence. We see secret societies apparently involved in the NWO and it is easy to pretend it is evidence that the secret societies now desire a NWO. But no secret society currently known to exist has any political goals at all. The apparently conflicted political agenda isn't in conflict at all... mostly because there is no political agenda. The correlations are coincidental or have a common causality, but one isn't directly causing the other.



Not at all. If you are wealthy, do you not appreciate the existence of domestic help... a maid... a cook... a driver? Would your existence be better without the less wealthy willing to serve you?

The same is true the other way around. A majority still volunteer to be wage slaves and actually complain when there are fewer "jobs."



Well, there are two species of mankind who were not compatible for mating until this century. An Australian man named James Harrison became a hybrid chimera of the two species after surviving multiple incompatible blood transplants when he was a teenager. He provides plasma donations every two weeks which form the basis of the drug now used to allow our two species to interbreed.

Before that, the leadership of nearly every nation was a member of the minority species. The secret societies were also mostly populated by the minority species.

That seems to be changing though with the interbreeding that has been possible only starting this century.

Very interesting I will research this, thankyou.

[karl j]

You do realize that berth and birth are not only spelt differently but come from completely different entomology

and they dis the education system:)

LOL.... sorry i think you mean etymology as the other is the study of insects..
As it happens the 'etymology' is precisely what is being questioned and referred to as many maritime words also have corresponding words in normal use but spelt differently and supposedly also have different meanings but that is the question..... are they really different....??

[brianthebrain]

........ are they really different....??

yes very different, about as different as errr etymology and entomology

sound similar spelt differently and mean different thing

[johngr]

3-14. Parens Patriae - Government as Parent - In 1921, the federal Sheppard-Towner Maternity Act was passed creating birth "registration" or what we now know as the "birth certificate." It was known as the "Maternity Act" and was sold to the American people as a law that would reduce maternal and infant mortality, protect the health of mothers and infants, and for other purposes ...... Prior to 1921 the records of births and names of children were entered into family Bibles, as were the records of marriages and deaths. These records were readily accepted by both the family and the law as "official" records. Since 1921 the American people have been registering the births and names of their children with the government of the state in which they are born, even though there is no federal law requiring it ...... In 1933, bankruptcy was covertly declared by President Roosevelt. The governors of the then 48 States pledged the "full faith and credit" of their states, including the citizenry, as collateral for loans of credit from the Federal Reserve system ...... This author believes that the federal government draws its de facto jurisdiction for these actions from the "Doctrine of Parens Patriae." Parens Patriae means literally, "parent of the country." ...... With the birth registration established, the federal government, under the doctrine of Parens Patriae, had the mechanism to take over all the assets of the American people and put them into debt into perpetuity ...... Parents, without full disclosure under law, make application for a "birth certificate," thereby making the child a citizen of the corporate government known as the United States. The government then turns the new citizen into a corporation, a legal fiction, under the laws of the state. The birth information is collected by the state and is then turned over to the U.S. Department of Commerce. The corporation is then placed into a "trust", known as a "Cestui Que Trust" ...... The government becomes the Trustee, while the child becomes the beneficiary of his own trust. Legal title to everything the child will ever own is now vested in the federal government. More:
http://sites.google.com/site/judicialdeception/homepage-three

Thank you for your responsive answer.

[antipharisee]

Thank you for your responsive answer.

You're welcome. I changed the page of the link to page one,
and created a section called "Birth Certificate".
http://sites.google.com/site/judicialdeception

I'm still at a learners/beginners stage on this Sovereign Free Man stuff,
so I just add items as I find good information.