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johngr
09-04-2010, 10:01 PM
...the state nexus.

1. (optional but logistically and bureaucrat-wise better) Move to Hawaii, find work or start your own self-supporting business
2. If you can avoid any US record of pregnancy, that would be better.
3. Have your child on (on, not "in", important legal distinction, see below) one of the Marshall Islands or other island nation party to the Compact of Free Association with the United States, 1986.
4. Get an RMI passport for him
5. Your child would have the status of US National, be freely able to domicile anywhere in the US and would legally (as in black-letter statute law with no hassles, affidavits, arguments with judges, etc.) be able to attend university, work, get a driving licence or use an MI one, etc. by merely show a valid RMI pass and without a slave/open-air prisoner number (aka social insurance number)

In order for this to work, you would need to meet any RMI requirements for conferring citizenship on your child.

For the bold: A more risky but potentially more liberating option (would need much research to determine if it's workable):

1. Document the entire trip.
2. Find a freelance midwife
3. Homebirth the child, documenting it in a way that uniquely identifies him and establishes him as yours
4. Record the birth in the family bible, making sure to record that the birth took place "on", not "in" one of the Marshall Islands.
5. Optionally get the passport
6. Refuse to sign off on any birth certificate (you might need a state whose laws explicitly recognise family bible records, as Hawaii seem to give certificates out rather freely to citizens of foreign nations :)

You would then have an unhypthecateable child (in theory, if it would work. DYODD).

sufaq_com
10-04-2010, 10:02 PM
Unless you are planning for your child to run for U.S. president, it doesn't really matter where in the world a United States or a citizen of one of the united States of America is born.

Citizenship in either is granted both by birthright or by having a parent citizen.

American ex-pats have children in many American and Caribbean countries and get them both passports. It is very routine. You can neglect to do anything about birth registration in any country and the child can still apply for and get their passport when they come of age by proving that they had at least on citizen parent.

Most of the Americas grant citizenship by birthright. The same goes for Caribbean nations. A lot of South Pacific nations do as well.

Your options become completely open if you have your child in the middle of Central America at home. Let's say you did that in the land area currently claimed by Costa Rica. That child is Costa Rican by Costa Rican law. Of course, if you don't want the obligations of Costa Rica, you can simply not register that birth. If later, you do want a Costa Rican passport for that child, you can do that too.

If you want a U.S. passport for that child 20 years later, you can do that too with just the passport obtained from Costa Rica proving that child has at least one U.S. parent.

Google "Second Passport Secrets" if you want all of the details for every country's citizenship laws.

Or check out nostate.com if you want to see what can be done with absolutely no citizenship claimed in any particular state.

johngr
10-04-2010, 11:18 PM
Unless you are planning for your child to run for U.S. president, it doesn't really matter where in the world a United States or a citizen of one of the united States of America is born.

Citizenship in either is granted both by birthright or by having a parent citizen.

American ex-pats have children in many American and Caribbean countries and get them both passports. It is very routine. You can neglect to do anything about birth registration in any country and the child can still apply for and get their passport when they come of age by proving that they had at least on citizen parent.

Most of the Americas grant citizenship by birthright. The same goes for Caribbean nations. A lot of South Pacific nations do as well.

Your options become completely open if you have your child in the middle of Central America at home. Let's say you did that in the land area currently claimed by Costa Rica. That child is Costa Rican by Costa Rican law. Of course, if you don't want the obligations of Costa Rica, you can simply not register that birth. If later, you do want a Costa Rican passport for that child, you can do that too.

If you want a U.S. passport for that child 20 years later, you can do that too with just the passport obtained from Costa Rica proving that child has at least one U.S. parent.

Google "Second Passport Secrets" if you want all of the details for every country's citizenship laws.

Or check out nostate.com if you want to see what can be done with absolutely no citizenship claimed in any particular state.

The whole point is avoiding American citizenship, claiming US national status and avoid the adhesion contracts thereby. Marshall Islands citizens can work, study and live in the US without without a social insurance number. A Marshall Islands citizen without dual citizenship might not even be eligible for the US de facto personnumber.

Also US non-citizens with US national status might not be required to participate in the health insurance scam.

johngr
11-04-2010, 09:14 AM
Title I Article IV Section 141 of the Compact of Free Association with the United States (applies to the Marshall Islands and the Federated States of Micronesia)

(a) Any person in the following categories may enter into, lawfully engage in occupations, and establish residence as a non-immigrant in the United States and its territories and possessions without regard to paragraphs (14), (20), and (26) of section 212(a) of the immigration and Nationality Act, 8 U.S.C. 1182(a) (14), (20), and (26):

(1) a person who, on the day preceding the effective date of this Compact, is a citizen of the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, as defined in Title 53 of the Trust Territory Code in force on January 1, 1979, and has become a citizen of the Marshall Islands or the Federated States of Micronesia;

(2) a person who acquires the citizenship of the Marshall Islands or the Federated States of Micronesia at birth, on or after the effective date of the respective Constitution;

(3) a naturalized citizen of the Marshall Islands or the Federated States of Micronesia who has been an actual resident there for not less than five years after attaining such naturalization and who holds a certificate of actual residence; or

(4) a person entitled to citizenship in the Marshall Islands by lineal descent whose name is included in a list to be furnished by the Government of the Marshall Islands to the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service and any descendants of such persons, provided that such person holds a certificate of lineal descent issued by the Government of the Marshall Islands.

Something I haven't researched: whether or not nativity confers automatic citizenship of the Marshall Islands and other lands covered by the Compact. In the US, the 14th Amendment contains a provision for "anchor babies" In the case of Micronesia, for FOTL purposes, you could call them "life raft babies", if people who are born there are automatic citizens. If not, it might require naturalisation or residence status of the parents. If someone want to "pick up the ball" that would be an important thing to research.

Btw, to correct above, the Marshall Islands is more specifically comprised of atolls, not islands.