Why no chemtrails over China?

[eternal_spirit]

According to Alan Watt on a recent audio/radio programme the only country on the Planet not being sprayed is China.

Now the only reason to disprove that chemtrails are being used on us from a none believes POV is.... If the orders to spray come from the Elite, then wouldn't they be poisoning themselves as well as us? It's a fair question and has had me stumped for an answer for some time.

Icke written somewhere that the real power the Elite of the Elite is based maybe in China and Asia ( correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost certain this is what he wrote )

So is the head of the NWO in this region, or is this the future place for them?

Watt also says that recently some Pilots have refused/complained to superiors that they no longer wish to fly the chemtrail planes, because they believe they are poisoning their own families.

Again I ask....So why would the Elite poison themselves?

[eternal_spirit]

Ooops I may have misquoted Mr Watt.... There may be other chemtrail free Countries....Anyone clear this up? :confused::eek::rolleyes:

[synak]

Well, whats makes you think they are necessarily vulnerable to it as we are? Aside from that I'm sure that they would have a counter-system so they do not become negatively affected by it. They never do anything without having the antidote first. I don't personally live in China so I can't say for sure if its true they aren't being sprayed. Perhaps someone here who lives around that area can shed some light? I think that in reality, Tibet is likely the only place that is actually not being sprayed in any way, or at least one of them.

[dondaz]

According to Alan Watt on a recent audio/radio programme the only country on the Planet not being sprayed is China.

Now the only reason to disprove that chemtrails are being used on us from a none believes POV is.... If the orders to spray come from the Elite, then wouldn't they be poisoning themselves as well as us? It's a fair question and has had me stumped for an answer for some time.

Icke written somewhere that the real power the Elite of the Elite is based maybe in China and Asia ( correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost certain this is what he wrote )

So is the head of the NWO in this region, or is this the future place for them?

Watt also says that recently some Pilots have refused/complained to superiors that they no longer wish to fly the chemtrail planes, because they believe they are poisoning their own families.

Again I ask....So why would the Elite poison themselves?

Do you have a link to this info?

[eternal_spirit]

Do you have a link to this info?

...............

It's on one of his recent shows could be this one
http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_19_ChemicalSpraying_Memor yFading_Bio-War_on_Humanity_Oct012007.mp3

[montag]

He also said parts of Africa were not being sprayed, probably because they already have Africa under control with Aids and vaccinations..

Here in Australia we do get sprayed but not very often like in the States and UK..

The elites also have access to a higher level of medical care and vaccinations that I guess may protect them from whatever they are spraying us with..

[lilly555]

Maybe they are saving it for later.

[geo2]

:cool: think Alan said China n the Swiss didn't sign the 'open-skies' treaty.....

{{{ n yeah the Chinese Slaves are being saved 4the 'future' n then they will be done-in2 }}}}realize the 'chem-trails' are gettin us ready 4the big-kill-off n more...

[veritas2007]

Ooops I may have misquoted Mr Watt.... There may be other chemtrail free Countries....Anyone clear this up? :confused::eek::rolleyes:
Maybe they use these......?

Good bye Chem Trails (http://mirrors.wordsforgood.org/educate-yourself.org/ct/goodbyects10jan02.shtml)

[matrixcutter]

Feb 16, 2007 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk) - "Open Skies Treaty / Exoteric Good Reason, Esoteric Real Reason" (mp3) (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007_24.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007.html).

• OPEN SKIES TREATY - RELATED LINKS
You type in your browser:
Open Skies Treaty "Fact Sheet" from: Bureau of Arms Control - Washington, DC:
http://www.state.gov/t/ac/rls/fs/2004/33147.htm
Open Skies Consultative Commission:
http://www.osce.org/
Treaty on Open Skies (As a PDF File):
http://www.osce.org/item/13764.html

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• AERIAL SPRAYING - CHEMTRAILS

NR23.net Alan Marsden's Website From deep in the Norwich GoldenTriangle (http://www.nr23.net/)

MoD test of aerial spraying over Norwich (http://www.nr23.net/spray.htm)

The Dorset Biological Warfare Experiments 1963-75 (http://www.nr23.net/spray_dorset.htm)

BBC Article - Inquiry into spray cancer claims (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/4507036.stm)

The effects of cadmium spraying over a city [Norwich, England] in the 1960s are to be investigated after claims that it was linked with cancer of the oesophagus. (Alan Watt : Norwich wasn't the only city to be sprayed by CHEMTRAILS since I can remember huge figure 8 and giant X's which lingered for many hours over parts of Scotland during this time period.)
See MSDS Toxicity Sheet for Cadmium (http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Cadmium-9923223).


Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html


And then there's the October 1st RBN program:
"Chemical Spraying, Memory Fading, Bio-War on Humanity (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_19_ChemicalSpraying_Memor yFading_Bio-War_on_Humanity_Oct012007.mp3)"

25mins 40s:
There's a politician from Sudbury, Ontario, a federal MP. She went to parliament and brought it up on the floor there about the spraying. Don Scott had talked to her about it and she did bring it up. And the MINISTER FOR DEFENSE SAID THAT THEY COULD NOT DISCUSS THIS AND WOULD NOT DISCUSS THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! (Even to the politicians present.)

Watt got in touch with the Canadian Air Force, on the internet, and they asked him what he wanted to know. He told them he wants to know about the spraying, who's doing it, why are they doing it. They didn't deny it was being done. They got back to Watt and said ALL THEY COULD TELL HIM WAS THAT THEY, THE AIR FORCE OF CANADA, WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

So what you find out, you see different countries, we're spraying some of the US, some of the US are spraying Canada. There's foreign aircraft over here too, comes under the Open Skies Treaty (NOT the commercial one but the MILITARY one - there's two of them) and Canada signed it. And this is a global effort that's under way on an incredible scale, 'cause I get photographs from Australia, New Zealand, from all over the world and Britain too. And everyone's getting sprayed outside of China and parts of Africa.

Switzerland, China and one other country I believe, DID NOT SIGN THE OPEN SKIES TREATY AND THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES NOT GETTING SPRAYED!

[matrixcutter]

Feb 16, 2007 Alan Watt Blurb (i.e. Educational Talk) - "Open Skies Treaty / Exoteric Good Reason, Esoteric Real Reason" (mp3) (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Blurbs/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007_24.mp3) - transcript (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_OpenSkiesTreaty_Feb162007.html).
From this blurb:

Alan: NOW THIS IS THE LITTLE CLAUSE THAT'S THE REAL REASON. This is the little clause that is the REAL REASON, not the camouflage.

"The Treaty also envisages the possible extension of the Open Skies regime to additional areas--

Alan: They always do get the law on the books then expand it you see to the real purpose.

"to additional areas, such as crisis management and protection of environment."

Alan: That's the real reason. Now you can read all the rest of the additional stuff and legalities and yah, de yah de yah, all the nonsense, all the masses of camouflage because that little paragraph here is the REAL REASON. Not the very good reason, but the real reason for the Open Sky Treaty. The Treaty also envisages the possible extension -- possible extension -- envisage. Envisage is to see ahead you see the possible extension of the Open Skies regime, regime. Military term - regime, regime,

"to additional areas, such as crisis management and protection of environment."

Alan: Now that tells you. Why would something to do with military establishments and nuclear weaponry et cetera why would they have to go into crisis management and protection of the environment? Protection, not observation but protection of environment and below it has treaty members. There are more joining all the time because this is happening on a world scale and when you see the amount of stuff that's sprayed daily pretty well over your own heads you realize this is drifting from hundreds and hundreds of miles and sometimes thousands of miles to other countries that ultimately no one can stay away from it. However, these are the main treaty members and they will see the spraying over their heads which is nothing to do obviously with observation.

These aren't con trails. Condensation trails. Condensation trails as an aircraft comes across the horizon you'll see it -- a few hand spans behind the craft, you'll see the tail of the condensation disappearing as moisture would have to. It can't sit there forever like a big ice cycle in the atmosphere it dissipates into the dry air and disappears. The ones we see are not condensation. They're chemical and remember what I just read. The Treaty also envisages the possible extension of the Open Skies regime "to additional areas which as crisis management and protection of environment."

[culturecreator]

I'm living in Athens, Greece and today Athens was pretty much sprayed to death. From my roof top, I had a clear view as they flew by, I've noticed from this vantage point that the cheeky bastards simply turn of the spray as soon as they are past the metropolis of Athens. The sky here is covered in haze now. I watched for half an hour to an hour as the trails spread creating the false clouds, which now cover Athens. The temperature today is also very high as well, it got hotter as soon as the haze spread, covering the sun and keeping the heat in like a green house.
I've been in Greece since August, I saw no activity during the Summer, even commenting to my wife about the clear chemtrail free sky. But now that it is October and some clouds are common they can spray safely. My guess is as Greece is famous for it's blue SKY as well as sea , "they" dare not risk it in the summer as the people would get suspicious. Unlike the UK which is cloudy and wet all year round therefore the people are used to no sun and cloudy summers.

[deca]

Monarch II Making the Case (pt twelve) In Their Own Words

A loyal American family is sacrifced to perfect the latest use of nonlethal microwave weapons and biological and chemical warfare.

this is very worrying:mad:

[eternal_spirit]

Thanks for the input all. The Chinese communist society is said to have gained the best results out of all the different types of Brotherhood created system societies that the World live by, we've all been part of social experiments, created by the Elite.

Chinese society is the blueprint for the coming NWO standard.
A population of drone like slaves serving their masters at the top. Perfect for those in control not for those being controlled. I've often wondered have they already cloned many Chinese people.

The abortion issue is sad, neighbours will these days report to the Government officials about their own neighbours for having to many children. many aborted foueteses are believed to be sold for rituals and also for stem cell research etc.

[eat_a_grey]

They have enough pollution in the skies over China,who could even tell if there were chemtrails there?

:cool:

[nowhere]

I'm from Los Angeles , which is sprayed to death.

But currently, I am here in China and for the record...
YES ... There are chemtrails here as well.
I have seen them multiple times and China's sky is
already heavily polluted so sometimes it's not that
noticable. I don't know which is worse.
I will try to take pictures when I buy a camera.

[cheesedanish]

I wonder if altitude has anything to do with the effectiveness of the chemtrails? If they don't get you with chemtrails maybe they will get
you by some other fear means or poisining means. Maybe they are
still experimenting and how much does the whole exercise cost?

Maybe they dont want the chemtrails to affect us personally but
as the planet on a whole - maybe it's exacurbating the radiation
levels and hence the global warming?

[steevo]

A bloke I know (60 years of age) came over from Australia about 5 years ago to visit us in the UK and whenever we went out he was always staring at the sky saying "wow that's amazing, the clouds and the those streaks in the sky, what are they ?" He was absolutely amazed, we just thought he was abit comical and we would laugh at him and take the mickey out of him (in a friendly way), he is a real good bloke :)

Anyway, I went to Australia a few years later and I was exactly the same as him, I was always looking at the sky and saying "wow you have amazing cloud formations compared to our boring ones". One thing I noticed was that there was not one single chem trail in the sky AT ALL. I spent alot of time there and there were NEVER any trails there. I hadnt even heard of Chem-Trails back then.

[eternal_spirit]

The metal particles in the chem trail spray are used to form a conductor for beaming HARRP waves to effect us....mentally emotionally and physically. There maybe different mixes of sprays, each used for a specific effect on us.

Drugging valium, prozac type drugs! When there's a week of spraying people are doped out, then when the spraying stops for a few days or a week, people are having withdrawal symptons and getting agitated, then the spraying starts again and all get their fix.

[foreverspirit]

Quote: DONDAZ

According to Alan Watt on a recent audio/radio programme the only country on the Planet not being sprayed is China.

Icke written somewhere that the real power the Elite of the Elite is based maybe in China and Asia ( correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost certain this is what he wrote )

So is the head of the NWO in this region, or is this the future place for them?


Could this be the new place: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=389451

[eternal_spirit]

Foreverspirit interesting link. If they're putting all that money, time and effort to build that place, it's meant to stay.

[foreverspirit]

Foreverspirit interesting link. If they're putting all that money, time and effort to build that place, it's meant to stay.


Yes and the following seems to tie in quite nicely!



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Lynn Forester de Rothschild
Oct 5 2007

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When 67-year-old British banking scion Sir Evelyn Rothschild first set eyes on 44-year-old Lynn Forester at the 1998 Bilderberg conference—the matchmaker was none other than Henry Kissinger—she was already a woman of major means.

A corporate lawyer and telecommunications entrepreneur, the sparkly blond ex-wife of former New York politician Andrew Stein had made more than $100 million from the sale of cleverly acquired wireless broadband licenses. She was also sexy, charming, and dazzlingly well connected. Two years later, after the smitten Sir Evelyn divorced his second wife, Victoria Schott, the mother of his three children, Forester became the third Lady Rothschild. After marrying in November 2000 at a London synagogue, they honeymooned at the White House, guests of Lynn's good friends Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Today the New Jersey-born Lady de Rothschild—the flashiest hostess in London—is mates with Tony and Cherie Blair, among other topflight Britons. She's also mistress of the former John Singer Sargent home in Chelsea and of Ascott House, the 3,200-acre Rothschild family estate in Buckinghamshire, and the chief executive of E.L. Rothschild, the holding company that she owns with her third husband to manage investments in the Economist and various enterprises in India. Those include FieldFresh, a startup that will grow and export Indian fruits and vegetables for markets in Europe and Asia, and a soon-to-be-announced retail venture aimed at the exploding Indian middle class.

In July, Sir Evelyn completed the sale of his stake in the centuries-old English branch of the Rothschild banking empire (for a reported $600 million)—which frees up a lot of capital for them to be major players in the Indian business world.

This week, Lady de Rothschild talked exclusively with Portfolio.com about business, pleasure, politics, and society—especially her devotion to the idea of President Hillary. "I'm very comfortable in brand-new spaces," she says. "I'm very comfortable with a blank sheet of paper. In fact, I've made my money by doing what people have never done before."


Lloyd Grove: Lady de Rothschild, how are you?

Lady de Rothschild: [Laughs.] My name is Lynn Forester de Rothschild; you know that. But I'm fine, thank you.

L.G.: Where are you calling from?

L.R.: I'm back in London. Right now, I am actually at my home in Chelsea. I have a dinner tonight, so I've come home.

L.G.: Excellent, excellent. So let's talk. I just saw that your husband recently sold his stake in the family banking business, and I'm just wondering, was that a tough decision for him? Were you part of that? Was it emotional? It's kind of a big deal that something that he's been part of for his entire life and so many generations, to just get out of it.

L.R.: Yeah . . . Evelyn had been chairman of the bank, and when he turned over the chairmanship to his French cousin David, and his own children clearly indicated they did not have an interest in working at the bank, Evelyn decided that his children could remain and wanted to remain—and will remain—as shareholders with their French cousins, and Evelyn would liquidate most of what he had over time. There are actually several transactions. The one you read about is the last transaction.

L.G.: I see, I see.

L.R.: And that was not a particularly difficult decision, because the bank has stayed within family control. To have taken any steps outside of the family would have been traumatic. But it was time for Evelyn to step down from the day-to-day of the business. And so putting some capital to work more directly through what we're doing with E.L. Rothschild just seemed like a better, more interesting place for our money to be.

L.G.: I see.

L.R.: But it wasn't traumatic at all.

L.G.: You mentioned E.L. Rothschild, which is the company that you run, you're the C.E.O. of. What does it do? I know you have investments in India, which we'll talk about, but what is the idea for the company?

L.R.: The idea for the company is to essentially be a holding company for our global interests, but largely focused on India. So the company oversees our investment in the Economist, for instance, in the U.K. Our most active activity is in India. I sold my last business in June 2000; Evelyn retired as chairman at N.M. Rothschild in 2002. In 2003, we both decided that we wanted to do another major business, and we wanted to do it together, and so we stepped back and looked at where in the world and what industry would be a growth situation. And we decided that Asia was going to be the next spurt of real growth. We were agnostic between China and India, so we spent a year going to both countries, having meetings with whoever would meet with us. I had once read that Henry Kravis when he started K.K.R., went through his father's Rolodex and visited C.E.O.'s of Midwest companies and just said, "You know, how are things going? Would it be of any interest to you to have an outside investor, and you stay in and manage? What do you think the opportunities are?" And that was kind of what I was thinking about when we were making calls to businesspeople, bankers, journalists, think-tank people, politicians, to get a sense of what opportunities there might be.

L.G.: In both countries?

L.R.: In both countries. It started out with both countries, but within about four months, five months, we decided to limit ourselves to India. Part of that was that in 2003, $49 billion of foreign direct investment had gone into China, and $4.9 billion had gone into India. And on a macro level, if China is better, or was better, it wasn't 10 times better. So our opportunity seemed better just financially. Also, we were more comfortable with democracy. We were more comfortable with rule of law. There's the obvious British-Indian link culturally that was important for Evelyn and interesting for me, so we began focusing on India.

L.G.: If you're a business, is an unwieldy, sometimes insane-seeming democracy better than an authoritarian regime?

L.R.: Well, it's not better when you're in the middle of it and it's driving you crazy. It doesn't always feel better. But you do know in your heart of hearts that when you play by the rules and you get something in place in India, it is going to stay there. So I believe in the long term — and sometimes India can feel like it's exasperatingly long-term — it is a safer bet.

L.G.: And how did you hit upon the export of fresh fruits and vegetables? I've looked at your history. I don't see any of that in your history unless you have a mean kitchen garden in the country.

L.R.: [Laughs.] Well Evelyn was the closest that we got to agriculture. He's a gentleman farmer in England, so he was our closest link to agriculture. No, that was a very unexpected result. But in that process that I was describing to you, one of the first questions to people would be: So what is the next opportunity? B.P.O.-business processing operation-that's already well-known. Outsourcing and technology are well-known. My area, which was technology and telecom, was already very highly capitalized even back in 2003. So what's next? What's next, what's needed, and what's big? And from different sources, consultants, businesspeople, we would be given this series of facts about the agricultural sector-that 40 percent of all produce in India goes to waste.

L.G.: Right.

L.R.: That China has 60 percent of the arable land of India, but it's 40 percent more productive because of technology. That India is the largest producer of fruits, No. 1 in the world, No. 2 in vegetables, and has only 1 percent of the export market. So, those are all really big factors that we know how to fix. You fix them with technology on the ground, with cold storage and infrastructure on the ground. And if the retail sector isn't ready to buy higher-quality fruit and vegetables, which I always thought they would be-but three years ago, it was less obvious than now-you could export them and be the lowest-cost exporter.

L.G.: So you can export them to parts of Asia and Europe?

L.R.: Yes, and Japan.

L.G.: I see where you have you established this agricultural research center-is that now up and running?

L.R.: Yes, yes, it's up and running.

L.G.: With the 300 acres that you're experimenting with, using farming techniques that work well in India, have you started to show Indian farmers the techniques?

L.R.: Yes, yes, it started and it was opened by the prime minister [Manmohan Singh]. It was last year. He showed up for the ribbon cutting, and he made an incredibly moving speech. The Indian prime minister is really, to me, one of the spectacular people of the world, and I've seen him speak many times, and he always reads his speech. That day, he put down his speech and he recited a poem, an English poem that he had learned as a young boy about how the land will give to the people and will change lives—a beautiful poem. And then he talked about being so poor that he couldn't afford shoes—his parents were farmers—and how his dream for India is that 600 million people could be lifted out of poverty. And we're talking about lifting them from 50 cents a day to $2 a day.

L.G.: Now you recently sold a good part of your stake to Del Monte Pacific, right?

L.R.: Yes. It was last Friday.

L.G.: So that freed up some more capital for you, I guess. I'm a little confused. I saw there was a $50 million investment. I don't know if that was from E.L. Rothschild, or was that the total? You're in business obviously with Mr. Mittal [telecommunications billionaire Sunil Bharti Mittal, head of Bharti Enterprises]. How does that all shake out?

L.R.: Well, as an investment for us, it's an 85 percent I.R.R. [internal rate of return]. So it was a very good return on investment for us. And, as important to us, we brought in a partner who's going to take the company to the next level, because neither Bharti nor we had the domain knowledge. We saw the opportunity, we put effort into it, but it really needs domain knowledge. So that was really why we got out. . . . And we've also retained 9.9 percent of the business.

L.G.: Right, right.

L.R.: So I said to Evelyn, We're going to have to do it like Bernard Baruch and get rich by exiting too soon.

L.G.: And your actual time commitment remains the same? Or you're off doing other things now?

L.R.: No, no, our time commitment won't be the same.

L.G.: What else will you do with E.L. Rothschild?

L.R.: We are also looking very seriously at the retail space in India, both in terms of front-end retail as well as Indian brands that we believe have opportunities. I think that'll be the next area where you'll see some announcements from us.

L.G.: When? Can we make some news?

L.R.: Not by the time you go to print. [Laughs.]

L.G.: Give me a hint. I know you're on the Estée Lauder board, and I know you're very interested in luxury goods in India. Would it have something to do with that?

L.R.: Well, we're looking at those. You know India has luxury in its DNA. All you've got to do is look at the maharajas and look at the Taj Mahal. There's no Hermès or Louis Vuitton that's going to tell India anything about luxury. Luxury is a very interesting, undeveloped piece of India. I don't think it will be a big piece for a long time, because of the income level, but I think it's interesting. We do think luxury when we think retail, but we also think more mainstream, aspirational brands and opportunities

L.G.: And the country obviously has an exploding middle class, so that could be a good market internally-or are you thinking for export as well?

L.R.: I am thinking more about the domestic markets, more about the growth of the domestic market, because 10 million people are entering the middle class every year in India. You know, there are more billionaires in India than anyplace else. Let me put it this way: Every day in India, the entire nation of Great Britain is on the train, one way or another. So the numbers are pretty colossal. Seventy million people in India can afford anything they want. It's a small percent, but that's a reasonable number.

L.G.: That's a pretty healthy market.

L.R.: Two hundred fifty million are middle-class, so you might not go for the Chanel glasses, but you sure could go for an Estée Lauder lipstick or a Starbucks coffee.

L.G.: Your expertise in the retail business comes from what? Your experience as a consumer? Your experience on the board of at least one retail company that I know of?

L.R.: My interest comes from the knowledge I believe I've developed about what could be next in India. I would not be a buyer of Western brands for Western markets, although there are people who are doing that. I'm very comfortable in brand-new spaces. I'm very comfortable with a blank sheet of paper. In fact, I've made my money by doing what people have never done before. And this sector in India is not as undeveloped as the agricultural sector was—we were really on an adventure in FieldFresh. There is retail. There are big commitments to retail. But we think that we can bring Western capital, of course; we can bring Western know-how; we can bring Western distribution; we can bring Western good-governance practices, which will make it easier for Western brands to associate with us. And I think we're establishing ourselves in India enough that the Indian companies are comfortable with us. I didn't go into retail or into brands or into luxury because I feel I necessarily have more knowledge of those things. I am looking at them as businesses, as opportunities, and the first thing that we will be doing is hiring really competent people who want to latch on to our vision.

L.G.: Well don't hire me then.

L.R.: Can I hire you?

L.G.: No, you can't, because I know nothing about that. I'm the worst consumer possible.

L.R.: Why do you say that?

L.G.: Well, we'll take this up when you do the interview with me. In any event, is E.L. Rothschild just a vehicle with which you and Evelyn figure out where to invest your resources, or you are raising money from other investors? Can people invest in your company or not? How does that work?

L.R.: The third business that we are considering is virtually a fund where we would bring people in and invest alongside them, but we would be the owner and operator of those businesses.

L.G.: So they would be putting their faith in your expertise and knowledge and gut and whatever.

L.R.: Yes.

L.G.: Okay, now you and Evelyn are also, as I understand it, the biggest investors in the Economist.

L.R.: Well the F.T. [Financial Times] would be very upset if you wrote that. [Laughs.] We're the biggest family investors.

L.G.: Is there a possibility of I.P.O. there?

L.R.: Oh my God! [Laughs.] Um, I could never talk about that. But I wouldn't hold my breath. It's a very good company, we're very proud to be associated with it, and it'll continue to have lots of options and lots of growth opportunities.

L.G.: Now, you're on the Lauder board. Do you expect that the current management—i.e., C.E.O. William Lauder —will stay in for quite a while yet?

L.R.: It's a great company, and the Lauder family is essential to the success of that company. William is a young, very, very talented man, just like his father is very talented, his cousins are very talented. They're in the business. You know, the business is better off for having them there. I think he's done an excellent job. I don't think there are many people in that high-end-cosmetic world who know more than William, or have his degree of integrity and absolute dedication to the success of the company, so we're very happy.

L.G.: Let me ask you, when your fellow capitalists come to you and express worries and fears about what Hillary Clinton will do in terms of raising taxes on capital gains and hedge fund operators, and income taxes, what do you tell them to reassure them that Hillary will be good for business?

L.R.: First of all, Hillary will be good for America. And so if we care about our country —which all of my fellow capitalists do —we'll be very pleased that she's president. And second of all, if we look at what is best for the economy, remember, she is a Clinton, and our economy under Clinton was strong, dynamic, productive, exciting. And the same kinds of people who advised Bill Clinton will be around Hillary Clinton. And she understands the importance of the business community, and it's not going to be about raising taxes or doing any one specific thing. It's going to be, What is in the best interest of all Americans? And I think if history is our guide, we've had stronger economies, more wealth creation, under Democratic presidents than we have under Republican presidents. So I don't understand why all my capitalist friends aren't Democrats.

L.G.: Really? Are they buying this argument, Lynn?

L.R.: Well, you know, it's funny. As people are getting a better and better look at Hillary, they're understanding that Hillary is talking in a way that is so positive for America. We can think we live in elite circles, but we don't. I mean, America is about Main Street, and Main Street is coming around to Hillary. And Wall Street and the C.E.O.'s can't buck that tide, and if they think they have some vested interest in their tax rate, those are a very limited number of people who think only about that.

L.G.: By the way, you may also have seen that Hillary reported an eye-popping $27 million raised in the third quarter, which was beyond expectations and far and away the most of anybody. How much of that can we credit you with?

L.R.: [Laughs.] I am—full disclosure—I'm always doing everything I possibly can for Hillary Clinton.

L.G.: Have you made a dollar commitment to the campaign? Have you said, "I'll raise a million bucks" or something like that?

L.R.: I don't really do that. I do everything that I can, and I have been waiting for this since Bill Clinton left office, frankly.

L.G.: It'll be nice to come to Washington and save on hotel expenses again, won't it?

L.R.: Well, I don't know if that'll be the case. I assume I'll still be at the Four Seasons. It'll be nice to know America is in the hands of someone with her character and her experience and her vision for where we're going to take the country. It's going to be a very exciting time. Even Europeans are excited.

L.G.: There's a big fundraiser on October 17 in Washington, and you're listed as one of the hosts-the National Women's Finance Summit. Will you be there for that?

L.R.: Yes, yes, I will definitely be there for that.

L.G.: And I noticed that all the thousand-dollar seats are sold, but you can still get some $2,300 V.I.P. seats. Do you want to try to sell any to our readers now?

L.R.: [Laughs.] I would strongly advise your readers to snatch up whatever is there. It's going to be a spectacular day. That event is quintessentially Hillary Clinton. Look at what she's doing. She is, first of all, empowering women in a way that we could have only dreamed about when we graduated from college. But that's secondary to bringing her foreign-policy team, her economics team, her political team, herself to educate everyone about what she believes. They're all going to take whatever questions we have. She's going to listen; they're going to listen. She can't be there the whole day, but it's so quintessentially Hillary. Politics is so boring, where they ask for your money, you get a glass of cheap wine and a biscuit, and then when you say, "You know, I have an idea about health care or I have an idea about inheritance tax," nobody wants to listen to you, because what they really want is your money. Hillary is the opposite. Obviously there aren't enough hours in the day to listen to every idea, but she is listening, and she is responding.

L.G.: Well you also, for $2,300, get V.I.P. seating and a grip-and-grin photo with Hillary.

L.R.: Doesn't she have a beautiful smile?

L.G.: Absolutely. So let me just ask you about [television and wireless mogul] John Kluge, who was a big influence on your early business life, when you'd been practicing as a lawyer. How did you meet him, what was his influence on you, and what did you learn from him?

L.R.: I was a lawyer at Simpson Thacher when John Kluge was the first in the world to figure out that cellular telephones were going to change the world. And he was hiring in that area. Most people, including me, had no idea what cellular was—it sounded like a biotech idea. But he asked me to come in as executive vice president for development.

L.G.: And how did you meet him?

L.R.: He was a client, and also around New York, you know. I've always been very blessed with, I don't know, meeting a lot of people.

L.G.: I heard that!

L.R.: [Laughs.] I don't know why! So he talked to me about it, and he gave me this job. I was all of, I don't know, 28 or 29, I was pretty young, and then John created this amazing footprint in America. And people forget that he was the richest man in America before people heard of Bill Gates.

L.G.: This was before the internet, before people had heard of the internet too.

L.R.: Exactly, and so when John sold to Southwest Bell —he had already sold his television business to Rupert Murdoch to create Fox —I was not going to work for Southwest Bell. So I said to John, "I really don't know if I can do it, but I want to be an entrepreneur. I want my own show." And he said, "I know you can do it, and I know you'll be very good at it." I said, "Boy, you know, I want a net worth of $40 million."

L.G.: How did you hit on that figure? Why $40 million?

L.R.: Because I just thought that was more money than I could ever imagine. I thought I would die and go to heaven if I ever had $40 million. And John gave me the best advice I've ever gotten in one sentence. He said, "Stop. Don't think at all about the net worth you're creating. Think about your vision for what you're creating, and that you wake up every day and you love it. The money will follow." And it was sort of so profound, and this rush came over me of "Oh my God, of course," and then I just went on from there. And that made a huge difference to me.

L.G.: I see, and how did you make your first hundred million? You were involved in a cell-phone company in Puerto Rico, and then you had the foresight to buy up frequencies in major cities, which you later were able to sell for a premium. Is that basically it? How did you have the insight to do all that?

L.R.: Well, uh, the Latin American company located in Puerto Rico was just an obvious buy at the time; it was such a good deal. The licenses, I was actually granted the licenses, and I got them for free.

L.G.: You got them for free? All the better.

L.R.: Yeah, exactly. I realized that frequencies were a limited resource and that there would be a big business at some time around that, and so I was the first person to apply in the United States for wireless-broadband licenses. And yeah, I sold them for a lot of money.

L.G.: How much pure luck was involved? Or did you have a special insight? Obviously you thought it was obvious, but other people obviously didn't; otherwise they would've done it. To what do you attribute that?

L.R.: I think a lot of it was that I was lucky. I think I do understand where value might be when people are overlooking it. I never had the money to buy what was popular. I've always had to start from, you know, lack of capital. So I needed to have better ideas, and I've been really lucky in focusing on overlooked areas.

L.G.: Let me ask something else. Nietzsche said, "That which does not kill us makes us stronger." Now you assembled this A-list board of people —you know, Nathan Myhrvold, Henry Kissinger, Vernon Jordan — raised a billion dollars to start this broadband company in Europe [FirstMark Communications Europe]. Everybody thought it was almost a sure thing; you had a great track record; there was a lot of expertise there. You hired the best people you could; you dealt with the governments that had authority over aspects of the business and got very advantageous deals from them. And it didn't go very well. What happened there, and what did you learn from it?

L.R.: Well, most of all I learned that it's better to be lucky than to be smart. I say that because I sold that company in June 2000. That was when the billion dollars came in, and the market fell apart in October 2000. So that company rode a frenzy, which I actually, at the time, wasn't comfortable with. But it's pretty hard to turn down that kind of money when it's rushing in at you. I was really lucky to get out of it with that billion-dollar financing. I certainly didn't think it was going to crash in the next three months. You know, bubbles are very dangerous things, and I was fortunate enough to get off before the bubble burst. But the investors in that company believed they would buy for a billion and, within six months, sell it for a billion and a half. I knew, and actually they were told —they just had to look at our business plan —that the business needed $5 billion. So when the new investors panicked and didn't put in the 5 billion-and I don't blame them for not doing it; it wasn't my call and it wasn't my money-there was no way that company could go on. If people still had those licenses that we sold them, they would have made a lot of money because we had 15 countries with 100 megahertz of bandwidth in each of those countries, and we had 15,000 kilometers of fiber that all went to waste. But if anyone had held on, it would've been a great investment. But for me, it turned out to be okay, because I was lucky.

L.G.: When you run into people who committed their companies' money to the enterprise and didn't do so well, is it awkward? Or do they just understand it's business and, you know, you win some, you lose some, and it's all okay?

L.R.: Well, they were all big boys. They can't, you know, blame me for their investment decisions. I sold, and I left immediately, so I don't know. Some of them remain friends; some of them I don't see. You know, I want everybody to make money.

L.G.: You're a media owner. How do you think Rupert Murdoch is going to do with the Wall Street Journal?

L.R.: I think Rupert made a brilliant acquisition. I have so much respect for Rupert Murdoch, I cannot even tell you. I don't, of course, agree with his politics all the time, but I think that he is a visionary. I think he is gutsy. Everyone I've ever known who's done a deal with Rupert cannot say a bad word about him. He's honorable, and I think it's an obvious thing for him to do, and I think it was brilliant.

L.G.: The British social establishment is famously stiff, and you have created quite a stir there in London. I saw an article in the Evening Standard by a fellow named Robert Mendick who pointed out that some have nicknamed you Lady Lynn de Pushy. The cocktail party that you arranged last year at 10 Downing Street [where Prime Minister Tony Blair hosted seven billionaires and other rich folks] to raise money for the Tate, which I know is a big cause of yours, got so much crazy publicity over there. Jasper Gerard in the Sunday Times wrote this line that kind of amused me: "Only an outsider would dare go head-to-head with Lady Frost's summer party and leave Frosty with the dull old things who play celebrity golf on cable." What's that all about, Lynn? What's going on here? Are you causing trouble over there?

L.R.: Not at all. I am not social at all over here, and one thing you learn in Britain is you don't read the press—you get on with your life. So I have a wonderful life in Britain, mainly because I have a wonderful marriage in Britain, so this is a great country. I have a very good time. I have very good friends, and it's a great base for my business.

L.G.: How does that work? How did you and Evelyn sort of divvy up the business? You're the C.E.O., but is he like the queen of England? Does he propose and you dispose?

L.R.: Evelyn is very comfortable in the chairman role, and I am a very hard worker. I am a 10-to-12-hour-a-day girl, because in my family, the world is divided into show horses, racehorses, and horse's asses. I was told, you know, I'm a racehorse, and I better be practicing if I'm going to be racing. So you know, I work, and Evelyn has one of the most amazing senses of strategy, of integrity, of opportunity, of decency, you know, that can be imagined. And if he weren't in this business with me, I wouldn't be doing it.

L.G.: Is this the first time you've been in business with your spouse?

L.R.: Oh yeah, absolutely.

L.G.: Did you have some trepidation over that on how that would work? Mixing business and love?

L.R.: No, I had more trepidation that I was going to go off and do what I've done many times. I know how hard I work, and I wasn't going to spend all those hours and all that time away from Evelyn and ruin my life.

L.G.: So one of the things you've learned is it's important also to have a life.

L.R.: It is really important to have a life, and I'm very blessed with a positive attitude toward life. I mean I wake up happy, and I'm not going to compromise that for anything. And both Evelyn and I are happiest when we're working. Social things and all of that do not mean anything. Most of the time, we're either working or involved in something that we think is good. And that's why it's, yes, I'm involved with the Tate; yes, I'm involved with Hillary; and all that, because I think that with all the blessings I have, I can try to do something good.

L.G.: By the way, I noticed that it understandably got under your skin—I think it was the Wall Street Journal that referred to you in a profile piece as a "socialite." And you wrote a letter, saying, "I'm no more a socialite than I am a dressmaker or a brain surgeon."

L.R.: That's true. You know what's cute about that story? The writer told me that when his wife saw that he used that word, she got so angry at him. [Laughs].

L.G.: So what is this? Are we past that now where women in business don't have to deal with those sorts of trivializing labels, or are we still in that era?

L.R.: Look, I think women are going to get so many labels. I think we just ride through it and go on with our lives.

L.G.: And I guess one label might be Madam President at some point.

L.R.: [Laughs] Exactly, exactly—that might help. But I'm sure that women will continue to get the sly comments and all of that. That's okay. The point is to, you know, do good, have a good life, and carry on. You always know who your friends are, you know?

L.G.: Speaking of knowing who your friends are, how are Lord and Lady Black [former newspaper baron Conrad Black and his wife, Barbara Amiel] doing? I mean, he's facing some serious prison time. I know he's appealing it. I know you're friendly with Barbara-what can you tell me about how you try and support them through all this?

L.R.: Well, there's not much support that I can give. I send emails. Last time we saw them in London was before all of this. It must be a terrible thing to go through. You know, he's got to deal with his own reality, and so does she. The courts have decided now. It was one thing before the courts decided. You know, you could hold out hope that maybe it wasn't true.

L.G.: Yeah, he'll be sentenced in November. He could get up to 35 years on the four counts he was convicted on, but obviously he's waging an appeal, so, you know, the legal system grinds on. But it must be very painful and wearing for him and his wife at this point.

L.R.: It must be awful. It must be awful. But we do live in a world of consequences, and you do not do things where jail could be an option. It's pretty obvious. And you know I feel badly for them.:cool:

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[foreverspirit]

Actually, Mod. I should just have placed the link. If you like, you can delete the article and just leave the link.:cool:

Thanks.

[foreverspirit]

Any spraying going on in India?:cool:

[cruise4]

China admits to weather manipulation. Going to ensure good weather for the Olympics aren't they?

Whilst reading this thread I was struck with an idea that would destroy the NWO agenda.... suppose by 20121 we grew wings.

[them]

None of the third world, that I have visited, gets sprayed.

Russia doesn't get sprayed either, I didn't see any whilst I was there.

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[lilly555]

Has anyone else thought that the chemtrails are a good thing? Like maybe they make us better?

[de_shit]

The chemtrails do not harm you. Only those that are stuck inside the mental prison are harmed. You guys have forgotten what Icke and others have said, that nothing can harm you, its only an illusion. Thus, using that mentality and state of being, you can see that nothing can hurt you or make you sick, unless you're in a lowered state of mind (depression, etc). I only get sick now when I get depressed to a low level. I take the time to figure out why I'm depressed, and I find out how I can stop it. That unsickens me. Ive been sick like 2 times this year, one because I ran away from my home and I was homesick, and 2, I don't know what caused it, and my friend who also never gets sick was sick as well. Just stick to Ickes teachings and nothing will hurt you. Visualize this world as a movie that you're watching. When you watch a movie, do you get hurt? No, well neither in "real life" either.

My city of Cincinnati has been chemtrail free for almost a week. But on Wednesday I saw a couple. Guess what? Its going to be colder now without the shit in the skies. Thats a good thing. I love ambient temperatures. They are the natural temps that we are meant to be in.

[octopusrex]

No chemtrails in China.. Hmm..

Maybe the Chinese get more respect from dragons?

[tothestars]

Of course there are chemtrails in China. Seen lots of them down there.

And those who say chemtrails arent bad for you are either disinfoagents or ignorants.

You are each fragments of God but that doesnt mean you now are God with its full power.

You are not totally safe from everything. Exposed for Chemtrails and HAARP for a long time will make you sick and in worst case make you die. Stay out of fear will reduce the bad effects from HAARP and Chemtrails but it wont rescue your body from it if you continue to expose yourself for Chemtrails.

In theory if you can put out enuff light/love you can dispel the bad effects of Chemtrails but those who can reigns in higher realms (at least in 7th density).

Be fearless and jump of a plane with no parachute and think you will survive ? LOL Come on be a bit real ffs :)

Life is not just a dream. You have to take responsibility for your life and use some common sense.

Soul-contracts have not been fulfilled here cause of ignorance and naivity!

[klinker]

Ive been to Marocco twice in the last three years. No chemtrails there either.

[steevo]

No Chem trails here at all today so far. Those pilots must be all watching the queens speech.

[steevo]

No Chem trails here at all today so far. Those pilots must be all watching the queens speech.

Having said that, I have to say that there were absolutely TONS of chem trails in the sky yesterday so maybe that's why they didnt bother spraying so any far today.

[lioralourie]

There ARE Chemtrails in China. I live in Beijing and have documented a ton of them from our rooftop balcony over the past year +.

In fact I found this forum by doing a "Chemtrails in China" clusty search because I remember Alan Watts' mis-information and when I wrote him an email, I did not get a response way back then. Just yesterday I saw trails--against a dark blue sky so they photograph well--this is a rare situation to get good photos because of the perma haze here.

I can't speak to all the theories stemming from the "No Chemtrails In China" theory.

All I know is that there definitely ARE chems here. Yesterday there was blue sky enough to see the chems (pollution is so bad you cannot normally see them...or perhaps they don't even bother on super polluted hazy days, dunno). There were criss crosses, N-S and W-E lines. And start-stop patterns (they're getting artistic, sometimes, with those little dashes, which after they spread out look kind of like natural cirrus clouds).

I even saw chemtrails way out in the unpopulated areas while visiting the Mutianyu section of Great Wall one time when my Dad was visiting. So it's not strictly confined to the cities, either.

best, Liora in Beijing
Doing my part with Tower busters AND agnihotra Ash here in Beijing!

[eternal_spirit]

Thanks lioralourie

Yes, Watt has since said a number of times that they are spraying China now.

BTW the HAARP is now on 24 hours a day too.

[lioralourie]

Wow. Thanks. Glad that is getting cleared up. It's a huge, established myth that no chems are in China.

Now, on to HAARP...wonder if this is related, do you guys have any idea what this could be? I know China does a lot of weather mod. Shooting capsules up into the sky for instance and G-d knows what else. Anyhow...

Twice I have heard a very strange wave pass over the sky. Seemed like a wide band (running East-West) and moving sloooooowly from South to North. Starts off quiet, gets louder, passes over the house, and sounds like....a mixture of jet plane moving way too slow to actually be a plane... mixed with low rumbling of faraway fireworks (only like you've ever heard if you've ever been in China for Chinese New Year and such...except no lights of course).

There's an electricity in the air. AND the noise is great, but there is no rumbling felt. If it were thunder, you could feel it with your feet ever so slightly through the earth and your building (we are only on the 5th floor). People were standing at their windows watching but I don't read Chinese so cannot verify if anyone blogs about this stuff here.

Would be surprised if they did...poor people are so dumbed down, with lead and vaccines, and a culture that actively inhibits critical thinking...they're so damn clueless they don't think one bit about it after it's gone.

So frustrating. All this potential. And they just turn over their power.

ok that's my rant for the day. Any idea what I witnessed? This one was Wednesday night, July 16, 9:30 pm. I called my husband and he heard it, too. And the next morning my friend had also texted me asking me if I heard it. But I was putting the kids to bed and didn't see my phone till next day. We opened up the window, and me and my 4 and 2 year old stood and listened and looked out for about 20 minutes until the rumbling died down somewhat. Interestingly enough, the next day was the super blue sky day with the damning photos of chems. Upset to see them, of course, but happy they're not chems over haze or grey sky so I can document them. Impossible to get good photographs most days.

[lioralourie]

oops I want to turn on email notification...sorry

[marpat]

According to Alan Watt on a recent audio/radio programme the only country on the Planet not being sprayed is China.

Now the only reason to disprove that chemtrails are being used on us from a none believes POV is.... If the orders to spray come from the Elite, then wouldn't they be poisoning themselves as well as us? It's a fair question and has had me stumped for an answer for some time.

Icke written somewhere that the real power the Elite of the Elite is based maybe in China and Asia ( correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost certain this is what he wrote )

So is the head of the NWO in this region, or is this the future place for them?

Watt also says that recently some Pilots have refused/complained to superiors that they no longer wish to fly the chemtrail planes, because they believe they are poisoning their own families.

Again I ask....So why would the Elite poison themselves?

I am glad you brought this question up because I have said the same thing many times in the chemtrail thread. Why would they screw themselves up?

Also, when we were discussing HAARP it was suggeted that chemtrails are used to help HAARP work and create earthquakes but if there is no spraying in China then this seem to defeat that arguement as well. If HAARP was used to as a NWO attack on China then it seems stupid if that is where they are based.

Recently I read something about aircraft cabins being full of fumes that were affecting the pilots, which is very common apparently. You have to ask what are these fumes, perhaps they contribute something to the chemtrail phenomena. I think some pilots were having to go on long term sick leave because of the effects.

[steevo]

I am glad you brought this question up because I have said the same thing many times in the chemtrail thread. Why would they screw themselves up?

Why would they do ANY of the evil things they do ? These people are not right in the head. Anyway, maybe Chem-trails can target specific gene pools.

Also, when we were discussing HAARP it was suggeted that chemtrails are used to help HAARP work and create earthquakes but if there is no spraying in China then this seem to defeat that arguement as well. If HAARP was used to as a NWO attack on China then it seems stupid if that is where they are based.



HAARP is used for weather manipulation too according to the stuff i've read/watched.

[marpat]

Why would they do ANY of the evil things they do ? These people are not right in the head. Anyway, maybe Chem-trails can target specific gene pools.



HAARP is used for weather manipulation too according to the stuff i've read/watched.

I have heard the theories but as a technician who works on radars (which are basically radio transmitters) I find it hard to accept some of the theories being postulated. If people came up with some really scientific stuff I might be more inclined to take the idea seriously but at the moment I cant.

I know there has been research into attacking certain gene pools as it was uncovered that the soviets were researching such weapons. I dont know if this would work well as who knows who carries what genes? say if they wanted to kill of middle eastern people who is to say that a lot of Europeans do not have those genes through historic interbreeding? it is too indiscriminate to be effective I think.

[steevo]

I know there has been research into attacking certain gene pools as it was uncovered that the soviets were researching such weapons. I dont know if this would work well as who knows who carries what genes? say if they wanted to kill of middle eastern people who is to say that a lot of Europeans do not have those genes through historic interbreeding? it is too indiscriminate to be effective I think.

I meant DNA not genes. Sorry for the confusion.

[eternal_spirit]

Well the pilots of the planes could all bee mind controlled by now and none the wiser. The Elite may have vaccines and something known as chelating therapy which expells the chemicals from their bodys, leaving them immune to any effects.

[marpat]

Well the pilots of the planes could all bee mind controlled by now and none the wiser. The Elite may have vaccines and something known as chelating therapy which expells the chemicals from their bodys, leaving them immune to any effects.

Maybe but is that not requiring belief in another conspiracy theory in order to explain the original one? what happens then is that you need another theory as to how these things are developed and one as to who has made the cure, etc. Next thing you know people are satrting to believe in these these theories because they need to in order to sustain the original belief in the chemtrail.

[steevo]

Maybe but is that not requiring belief in another conspiracy theory in order to explain the original one? what happens then is that you need another theory as to how these things are developed and one as to who has made the cure, etc. Next thing you know people are satrting to believe in these these theories because they need to in order to sustain the original belief in the chemtrail.

We have to theorise Marpat because they are keeping it all secret. HELLLLOOOO ????
But luckily, the internet enables whistle blowers and researchers to share info and WE take it ALL into account and come up with theories. Theories are what detectives use in the absence of the proof which is hidden or was missed because they were not there at the time when the incident took place. The information collected on which we base our theories is called EVIDENCE.

Anyway Marpat you have ALREADY many times told us that Chem-Trails is bollocks so why do you keep coming back to discuss it. We know your point of view. Are you just trying to waste our time or are you just a concerned individual who wants to show us the error of our ways. Or is it that you are a disinfo agent ? You SAY that you work in radars, wow big deal. That must mean that you must know EVERYTHING there is to know about all the new and secret technology :rolleyes::cool:
Stop the press Marpat has solved the chem-trails conspiracy, it's all in our imagination. Marpart you are in denial AS USUAL. BTW Marpat, the "powers that be" call you a "useful idiot".

[marpat]

We have to theorise Marpat because they are keeping it all secret. HELLLLOOOO ????
But luckily, the internet enables whistle blowers and researchers to share info and WE take it ALL into account and come up with theories. Theories are what detectives use in the absence of the proof which is hidden or was missed because they were not there at the time when the incident took place. The information collected on which we base our theories is called EVIDENCE.

Anyway Marpat you have ALREADY many times told us that Chem-Trails is bollocks so why do you keep coming back to discuss it. We know your point of view. Are you just trying to waste our time or are you just a concerned individual who wants to show us the error of our ways. Or is it that you are a disinfo agent ? You SAY that you work in radars, wow big deal. That must mean that you must know EVERYTHING there is to know about all the new and secret technology :rolleyes::cool:
Stop the press Marpat has solved the chem-trails conspiracy, it's all in our imagination. Marpart you are in denial AS USUAL. BTW Marpat, the "powers that be" call you a "useful idiot".

I gave an opinion and you beign to attack me. Am I not allowed to say what I think in here?

I mention my techincal background as it gives an understanding of how radiation works, how transmitters works, etc. This is pretty relevant when talking about HAARP. At least I can ask questions from a technical angle. All you require is enough to believe, a few loose theries and you are conviced. You are the idiot because you believe in things you know nothing about. You cant even prove what you are stating so who is the idiot.

Maybe if you cant handle a difference of opinions you should stay out of the forum until you grow up. just look at the way you reacted to a simple opinion of mine, really over the top. You have even started going on about dis-info, for what reason? grow up man, you are acting like a spoilt child just because you dont like my thoughts. If you had really solid evidence then I would be happy to agree with you but I am not prepared to just accept your theories as facts on the off chance they may be right, maybe.

[steevo]

I gave an opinion and you beign to attack me. Am I not allowed to say what I think in here?

I mention my techincal background as it gives an understanding of how radiation works, how transmitters works, etc. This is pretty relevant when talking about HAARP. At least I can ask questions from a technical angle. All you require is enough to believe, a few loose theries and you are conviced. You are the idiot because you believe in things you know nothing about. You cant even prove what you are stating so who is the idiot.

Maybe if you cant handle a difference of opinions you should stay out of the forum until you grow up. just look at the way you reacted to a simple opinion of mine, really over the top. You have even started going on about dis-info, for what reason? grow up man, you are acting like a spoilt child just because you dont like my thoughts. If you had really solid evidence then I would be happy to agree with you but I am not prepared to just accept your theories as facts on the off chance they may be right, maybe.

You have no evidence AT ALL. But you use your position as SUPPOSED authority figure to give a base to your arguments, Ad Verecundiam. You make out that you are an expert in EVERYTHING. The army, radar, radiation....

[marpat]

You have no evidence AT ALL. But you use your position as SUPPOSED authority figure to give a base to your arguments, Ad Verecundiam. You make out that you are an expert in EVERYTHING. The army, radar, radiation....

Did I say I was an expert? I was just stating that my work gives me a bit of technical knowledge. What have you got?

You have a really negative attitude towards debate, it is either believe the same as you or prepare for the steevo attack.

Where is your evidence?

[steevo]

Did I say I was an expert? I was just stating that my work gives me a bit of technical knowledge. What have you got?

You have a really negative attitude towards debate, it is either believe the same as you or prepare for the steevo attack.

Where is your evidence?

Why are you so worried about what I and others believe ? You are the one who has come on here challenging us. I am not the one who has to prove ANYTHING to you. If I wanted to convince people LIKE YOU then I would go to skeptics.com. You are not genuine so I dont bother going into ANY DETAIL WHATSOEVER with you. You are a waste of time. Marpat/Adimon/Coshh and whatever or name is today.

[marpat]

Why are you so worried about what I and others believe ? You are the one who has come on here challenging us. I am not the one who has to prove ANYTHING to you. If I wanted to convince people LIKE YOU then I would go to skeptics.com. You are not genuine so I dont bother going into ANY DETAIL WHATSOEVER with you. You are a waste of time. Marpat/Adimon/Coshh and whatever or name is today.


How can I put this? GROW UP. :cool:

Why would I worry what you believe. I dont even care what you believe as you are free to think whatever you like.

[marpat]

Thanks lioralourie

Yes, Watt has since said a number of times that they are spraying China now.

BTW the HAARP is now on 24 hours a day too.

Do you know where Alan Watt gets this information? it is one things to say he says, but where is he getting information from? are his sources good and accurate?

[marpat]

Has anyone else thought that the chemtrails are a good thing? Like maybe they make us better?

Perhaps they are meant to produce rain clouds. I havent seen much sun this summer

[marpat]

Of course there are chemtrails in China. Seen lots of them down there.

And those who say chemtrails arent bad for you are either disinfoagents or ignorants.

You are each fragments of God but that doesnt mean you now are God with its full power.

You are not totally safe from everything. Exposed for Chemtrails and HAARP for a long time will make you sick and in worst case make you die. Stay out of fear will reduce the bad effects from HAARP and Chemtrails but it wont rescue your body from it if you continue to expose yourself for Chemtrails.

In theory if you can put out enuff light/love you can dispel the bad effects of Chemtrails but those who can reigns in higher realms (at least in 7th density).

Be fearless and jump of a plane with no parachute and think you will survive ? LOL Come on be a bit real ffs :)

Life is not just a dream. You have to take responsibility for your life and use some common sense.

Soul-contracts have not been fulfilled here cause of ignorance and naivity!

And it seemed obvious to me that people are living longer.

What do you mean by soul-contracts?

What is the source of your ideas?

[thirdwave]

Do you know where Alan Watt gets this information? it is one things to say he says, but where is he getting information from? are his sources good and accurate?

yeah it is odd he seems to get all this info.... where?, and who has confirmed it.

Im not saying he is not right on certain things but there are things he says and kind of expects you to believe them on face value....

Its not secret I have no time of day for the guy, but its interesting people have not brought this up more...