Cough *anti-semitism* Cough

[grover66]

During all of my research lately regarding Illuminati, elite, MK-ULTRA, Reptilians, etc, I find it really intriguing that the one subject I really recoiled from and found myself quickly clicking out of a website that dared mention it was anti-semitism.

When I first started following links about Zionism and the Holocaust, I really felt like I'd commited a crime by coming across a page that suggested that maybe the Holocaust hadn't happened. It was at about that stage that I decided that all this "conspiracy" stuff was just anti-semetic and I tried to go about my "normal" life for a few days and forget it all.

Then I got to thinking. Isn't it weird how we have such an overwhelmingly guilty reflex at the mere suggestion of "Holocaust denial" or what an emotional reaction the phrase "anti-semetic" elicits?

Which got me to further thinking: why?

I mean, I was raised a Catholic. My whole family is Catholic. Until recently I would have described myself as "a lapsed Catholic" (now I'll have NOTHING to do with the Catholic Church, thanks all the same). But I was forever having the piss taken out of me about being a Catholic and I'd laugh it off. No big guilt for the piss-taker. No ghashing of teeth for having dared to vilify Catholicism for the piss-taker.

So why is it people in general believe so strongly that anything even remotely sniffing of "anti-Jewish" is SO heinous?

Weird. And I've also been thinking lately, funny how we're all being given free reign -- nay, ENCOURAGED to be anti-Muslim! Quite okay to hate the Muslims. Almost death by firing squad to hate the Jews. Well, not even "hate" the Jews ... merely even politely suggest that they could possibly be ... no, I can't bring myself to say it. I'll try again. That the Jews could possibly be ... (deep breath). That the Jews could possibly be ... wrong?

[synergy777]

the funny thing is that arabs are semites, but they are not protected by anti semetic laws, lol. also a difference should be made between real torah jews and zionists. zionists are not jews, just as wahabbis are not muslims. in this age of war/confusion, we must have clarity, there are factions of good and bad people in every creed/religion.

the nwo are banking on us, tarring everyone with the same brush. we must be vigilant and not make this mistake.

real jews, christians, muslims are the same people, people of the book.

also add to anti semetic, political correctness crap, these are all totalitarian polices, anything that curtails free speech is undemocractic. as it amounts to censorship/control of dissent.

[grover66]

the funny thing is that arabs are semites, but they are not protected by anti semetic laws, lol. also a difference should be made between real torah jews and zionists. zionists are not jews, just as wahabbis are not muslims. in this age of war/confusion, we must have clarity, there are factions of good and bad people in every creed/religion.

the nwo are banking on us, tarring everyone with the same brush. we must be vigilant and not make this mistake.

real jews, christians, muslims are the same people, people of the book.

also add to anti semetic, political correctness crap, these are all totalitarian polices, anything that curtails free speech is undemocractic. as it amounts to censorship/control of dissent.


True! I'm so new at this because it's only been so recently I've even allowed myself to think along these lines! But, yeah, I've been discovering there are different "Jews". I've even discovered (gasp) some Jews are anti-Zionist!! :eek:

[whitenight639]

So why is it people in general believe so strongly that anything even remotely sniffing of "anti-Jewish" is SO heinous?



http://www.adl.org/

[grover66]

http://www.adl.org/

Thanks! I'll have a read.

I must admit at this stage I don't know what to think any more. Was there a Holocaust? Is that crap? Do the Zionists run the world? Is that just an anti-semetic view of the world? Who knows? Well, I'm sure some people know, but I'm not one of them.

I just find it really interesting (in the light of how we're brainwashed by education/media, which I do see now) that anyone who suggests that there was no Holocuast or who says anything remotely anti-Jewish is treated with more disdain and hatred than, let's say, a paedophile. For argument's sake, even if the Holocaust happened exactly as we've all been taught it did, why do we react so strogly to someone saying it didn't? This seems to be the one area where people really don't have the right to an opinion, no matter how "out there".

Anyway, I'll read your link with interest and for the time being consider it one of those subjects I ponder, along with many others. :)

[Anders Lindman]

Then I got to thinking. Isn't it weird how we have such an overwhelmingly guilty reflex at the mere suggestion of "Holocaust denial" or what an emotional reaction the phrase "anti-semetic" elicits?


Absolutely! The guilt level about this subject is extreme. Just because there is the label "Jew" smacked onto it. Stalin committed the same crimes as Hitler, but it's not so easy to smack a label onto the victims in Russia. The same with other horrible crimes.

It's almost as if it's taboo to even think about investigating eventual conspiracy in relation to the Holocaust. There's something very suspicious about the public guilt reflex programmed into this topic.

[whitenight639]

Thanks! I'll have a read.

I must admit at this stage I don't know what to think any more. Was there a Holocaust? Is that crap? Do the Zionists run the world? Is that just an anti-semetic view of the world? Who knows? Well, I'm sure some people know, but I'm not one of them.

I just find it really interesting (in the light of how we're brainwashed by education/media, which I do see now) that anyone who suggests that there was no Holocuast or who says anything remotely anti-Jewish is treated with more disdain and hatred than, let's say, a paedophile. For argument's sake, even if the Holocaust happened exactly as we've all been taught it did, why do we react so strogly to someone saying it didn't? This seems to be the one area where people really don't have the right to an opinion, no matter how "out there".

Anyway, I'll read your link with interest and for the time being consider it one of those subjects I ponder, along with many others. :)

I cant answer your question or give an oppinion as to weather or not the holocaust happened cos i dont know anything about it other than i was taught in school, and to be honest iv got better things to read about right now, like how to sort the future out for my kids (in a few yrs ;))

[Anders Lindman]

I cant answer your question or give an oppinion as to weather or not the holocaust happened cos i dont know anything about it other than i was taught in school, and to be honest iv got better things to read about right now, like how to sort the future out for my kids (in a few yrs ;))

It's important to investigate what we have been taught in school, not only for our own generation, but also for future generations.

[chris]

Because a 'holocaust' has not been defined, it's easy to smear someone with it.

It's all wordplay.

To be a good politician in this day and age, you need to be able to dodge bullets.

[lizzy]

http://www.henrymakow.com/the_imperialism_of_jewish_capi.html
This website written by a Canadian jewish professor is one of the best I know that pulls all the pieces together.
I believe the Holacaust happened but not the 6 million figure given by the Zionists and to believe otherwise is commit blasphamy.LOL.
The Zionists "needed" to sacrifice several hundred thousand of their "own" to make them emigrate to Israel ( they were too comfortable in their cozy European homes). The Balfour Act 1919 gave the Zionists' their Base in Palastine but no one wanted to live there, until their lives were threatened...(Kill some of our "own" for the greater good) with IB Fabians' lethal poisons those factories were built and partly owned by Bankers in the USA.
Now they own the world with absolute control over most of the world's currency and wealth producing multi nationals.:mad
And remember gran papa Bush's Bank backed Hilter in the 1920's.The holocaust was engineered for a reason....As is EVERYTHING else...their PROFIT.

[Anders Lindman]

Because a 'holocaust' has not been defined, it's easy to smear someone with it.

It's all wordplay.

To be a good politician in this day and age, you need to be able to dodge bullets.

Yes, it's about labels. It's very easy to manipulate people using labels like 'terrorist', 'enemy', 'Jew' and 'Muslim'. Sometimes labels are very useful but they can also be misused for horrible propaganda purposes. Other labels are: 'HIV', 'flu', and 'global warming'.

[damagedbrainn]

You're initial feelings about these things were not far off, sorry to say.

Upon first coming to this forum, there were several things that I expected, such as paranoid accuasations, arrogance, ego-driven self-importance, and "love". Not that that's all there is here, but those things can be found in virtually any group that deals with either conspiracy theories or new age philosophy of any variety. What did come as a surprise was the amount of anti-semitism that is either actively endorsed or passively accepted by so many in here. This came as a surprise primarily because David Icke frequently states that he does not believe in the Jewish Conspiracy (and really only names the Rothchilds as being a prominent family of the Illuminati, while all the rest he names are non-jewish in origin), and he clearly doesn't believe that the holocaust didn't happen; so I naively thought that those who claim to be "fans" of his would fit more into that mold. But instead, I've encountered a lot of typical "conspiracy theory" cliches who feel that using words like "Elite", "Illuminati", etc...interchangebly with the word "Jew" is perfectly reasonable or at least not a big deal. Even many of those on here who don't do it rarely complain or criticise when other's do (which is what I mean by "passive acceptance").

Point being, this is one of the reasons why people associate these theories so closely with anti-semitism.....because they're so frequently proven right. Honestly, if I had never read any of David Icke's books or ever listened to him speak, and based my opinion of him based on this forum alone; then I would definitely think that he promoted anti-semitism (or was anti-jew, if you want to play semantics).

The issue is viewed in such black and white terms because most of those who take up the issue speak of it in black and white terms.

Also, please point out to me a single individual or theorist who believes that the holocaust didn't happen who also doesn't believe that the world is run by The Jews. You'd be hard-pressed to find one, let alone two or three.

As far as why those in the west (particularly America) have such an emotional reaction to the subject of the Holocaust, that could be explained in two ways:

1) Western arrogance and self-assurance. Genocide is something that's only supposed to happen in "lesser developed" countries, not in the Almighty, God-Fearing West. The fact that we in the "civilized" world are also capable of such things (and committing them in a truly western-industrial, factory style, pseudo-scientific fashion) makes the event more horrifying to us.

2) The blame for the holocaust, and anti-semitism in general, has fallen squarely on Germany, and to a lesser extent, Austria; as if those nations invented it. Neither Britain, America, or any other European nation has honestly confronted the role that they played in creating and perpetuating the enviroment of anti-semitism which culminated in the creation of the Nazi Party and the rise of Hitler into prominence, and YES, popularity. Nor have we fully admitted to the financial assistance that Hitler and his SS had recieved by his many fans in these countries. The truth, anti-semitism was very popular during that time, and, although most did not know of the activities carried on in the concentration camps, Hitler's thoughts on and plans for the Jews was never a big secret, and he was quite renowned throughout Europe and America because of them, not in spite of them. It's an overcompensation for repressed guilt, in other words.

[damagedbrainn]

Because a 'holocaust' has not been defined, it's easy to smear someone with it.

It's all wordplay.

To be a good politician in this day and age, you need to be able to dodge bullets.

The Holocaust has been clearly defined, studied, documented, etc.....

[Anders Lindman]

Also, please point out to me a single individual or theorist who believes that the holocaust didn't happen who also doesn't believe that the world is run by The Jews. You'd be hard-pressed to find one, let alone two or three.


That could be true. I haven't researched this much so I don't know. I did however find a video with a Japanese researcher some time ago who said that the Jews were behind everything. Even Osama Bin Laden was a Jew he claimed. It was quite hilarious even if one should perhaps not joke about such serious topic. I tried to find the video but it has been removed!!! :eek: Not only that. Usually there is a message like: "This video is no longer available", but this video has been wiped out totally without even a hint of having existed before.

[chris]

You're initial feelings about these things were not far off, sorry to say.

Upon first coming to this forum, there were several things that I expected, such as paranoid accuasations, arrogance, ego-driven self-importance, and "love". Not that that's all there is here, but those things can be found in virtually any group that deals with either conspiracy theories or new age philosophy of any variety. What did come as a surprise was the amount of anti-semitism that is either actively endorsed or passively accepted by so many in here. This came as a surprise primarily because David Icke frequently states that he does not believe in the Jewish Conspiracy (and really only names the Rothchilds as being a prominent family of the Illuminati, while all the rest he names are non-jewish in origin), and he clearly doesn't believe that the holocaust didn't happen; so I naively thought that those who claim to be "fans" of his would fit more into that mold. But instead, I've encountered a lot of typical "conspiracy theory" cliches who feel that using words like "Elite", "Illuminati", etc...interchangebly with the word "Jew" is perfectly reasonable or at least not a big deal. Even many of those on here who don't do it rarely complain or criticise when other's do (which is what I mean by "passive acceptance").


The same attitude that suppressed the challenge to the manipulation of the World War two, today sees people vilified and jailed for questioning some of the official versions of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. If you do that, no-one listens to the evidence because this is lost in the tidal wave of vilification and condemnation. If people want to believe that all those who question the official line are Nazis and apologists for the Hitler regime, or anti0Jewish, then they must go ahead and do so. But I’ll tell them this. They are kidding themselves, because that isn’t true. It Simply isn’t…

…Whether people like it or whether they don’t, the official version of the Holocaust cannot avoid this exposure to proper debate for very much longer. The process of cleansing and transformation will ensure that this will happen…

…In researching of this book, for the first time in my life I stumbled across information which questions the official holocaust line. I was shocked, to be honest. I looked at it and I wrote it down, a process that always helps me to get things clearer in my mind. I pondered on it endlessly for weeks. My conclusion was that there were the most terrible atrocities against the Jewish people, as there were against others in Germany, the Soviet Union, and in Japanese-occupied countries. The whole war was a holocaust. What the European settlers did to the Native American tribes was a holocaust. The atrocities that Jewish people did suffer under the Nazis, makes the pain that we see thoroughly understandable. But I also concluded from the evidence I came across that the official line has a vast number of questions to answer and enormous tracts of documented information to explain before we can really know what happened.

David Icke, and the truth shall set you free, chapter 7. It continues along those lines…



Point being, this is one of the reasons why people associate these theories so closely with anti-semitism.....because they're so frequently proven right. Honestly, if I had never read any of David Icke's books or ever listened to him speak, and based my opinion of him based on this forum alone; then I would definitely think that he promoted anti-semitism (or was anti-jew, if you want to play semantics).

The issue is viewed in such black and white terms because most of those who take up the issue speak of it in black and white terms.

Also, please point out to me a single individual or theorist who believes that the holocaust didn't happen who also doesn't believe that the world is run by The Jews. You'd be hard-pressed to find one, let alone two or three.

Well like everyone on this thread has said so far that the term holocaust in indefinable so this wordplay trap is to stop unless you will define holocaust for us.

As far as why those in the west (particularly America) have such an emotional reaction to the subject of the Holocaust, that could be explained in two ways:

1) Western arrogance and self-assurance. Genocide is something that's only supposed to happen in "lesser developed" countries, not in the Almighty, God-Fearing West. The fact that we in the "civilized" world are also capable of such things (and committing them in a truly western-industrial, factory style, pseudo-scientific fashion) makes the event more horrifying to us.

2) The blame for the holocaust, and anti-semitism in general, has fallen squarely on Germany, and to a lesser extent, Austria; as if those nations invented it. Neither Britain, America, or any other European nation has honestly confronted the role that they played in creating and perpetuating the enviroment of anti-semitism which culminated in the creation of the Nazi Party and the rise of Hitler into prominence, and YES, popularity. Nor have we fully admitted to the financial assistance that Hitler and his SS had recieved by his many fans in these countries. The truth, anti-semitism was very popular during that time, and, although most did not know of the activities carried on in the concentration camps, Hitler's thoughts on and plans for the Jews was never a big secret, and he was quite renowned throughout Europe and America because of them, not in spite of them. It's an overcompensation for repressed guilt, in other words.

These are just the same shit that all the psychologists who love to discuss all day about how mentally ill we all are but yet fail to look at the facts. Are you a computer?

I don’t love Jews, I don’t hate them. I judge each person as an individual. If you want to smear me then you may as well forget it, half my family is Jewish. I love them to bits.

[chris]

The Holocaust has been clearly defined, studied, documented, etc.....

Well it's funny because everytime I turn my back the goalposts keep changing. Can you give a real definition something we can use as a cannon for this thread?

I'm always the guy on this forum telling the people debating the holocaust are absolutely stupid, which they are...The whole debate is over, truthers need to move on and truthers that dwell on this hurt our movement.

9/11 and the banking system is where it's at.

It's just that I hate these self-righteous tirades by people who are really just as David Icke would say repeaters.

[damagedbrainn]

Well like everyone on this thread has said so far that the term holocaust in indefinable so this wordplay trap is to stop unless you will define holocaust for us.

Don't play dumb. When somebody says "The Holocaust" (not "a holocaust"), you know exactly what event they're referring to; therefore, "The Holocaust" is clearly defined. If it is not clearly defined, then how do you even know what "Holocaust Denial" is?



These are just the same shit that all the psychologists who love to discuss all day about how mentally ill we all are but yet fail to look at the facts. Are you a computer?

I don’t love Jews, I don’t hate them. I judge each person as an individual. If you want to smear me then you may as well forget it, half my family is Jewish. I love them to bits.

Yet another pointless ad hominem, which you all resort to a lot. Whenever you either can't, or won't, make a genuine counter-arguement, you either accuse someone of being "brainwashed" or of being in on the conspiracy. Sadly, this often qualifies as logic around here when in reality it's just lazy-minded, senseless gibberish.

[eternal_spirit]

Originaly posted by edro9494

For those unaware, which nobody should be from knowing Icke's work, there is alot to gain by diverting attention from the real culprit.

Unfortunately, as you probably know, conspiracy literature is FILLED with this disease known as DISINFORMATION. And yes I understand and sympathize with you, sometimes its extremely difficult to evaluate evidence and what is shit from the litter.

I used to be huge fan of Alex Jones, still am to a certain extent. However this man is lying by omission. He gives us 85% of details and info. Folks, this man will never point the finger at Israel and Zionism when appropriate, he is a Zionist. make no mistake about it! i know he is inspiring and can get you fired up, i know guys. But in the last year I've run across some sites that cover, in depth, current Jewish Zionist doings and affairs.

I mean not to be an alarmist, I dont believe in fear. I'm a big student of Icke and Alex Jones. And let me tell you something first-hand folks. They might mention it here and there, but there is much, much more for you to learn about Jewish Zionism and how it is RUINING, not only American, but the world. Take a look at the dead women, children, and men scattered in the sands of Iraq. Is a three year-old girl with her head blown off an "Al Qaida Operative?"

Now I know Icke makes it clear in his works that this Illuminati/reptilian control is not solely Jewish, its much larger than that and includes gentiles as well as all other expressions of DNA.

However, if you live in the US like I do, you can see that Zionism and unabated support of IS-RA-EL is off the Richter Scale. And that is why I am saying this, because I felt let down by Jones and Icke when I saw they weren't covering it as much as other less-advanced researchers are doing as of right now. Nothing feels worse to me, than to find out I was wasting my time while I was being duped. Let me say that Jones is much worse than Icke, from what I see and know. Still, we NEED the WHOLE storyline so we can accurately identify an appropriate remedy. its great to know the history of the vatican and templars and what-not, but you must understand the PRESENT to setup a reasonable future.

ALL of you HERE should know that! you should all be here on this forum because you love, desire, and thirst to know the truth of all things regardless of how unpleasant or sickening it might be. The TRUTH HURTS, this is nothing new for you guys. And if you are going around believing everything you hear because you assumed that person knew more than you, then you deserve to be taken down a dead-end. You need to use your reasoning/logic skills to discern between what to pursue.

I am here to show you another door to more information, specifically covering Jewish Zionism, past and present.

one site i would recommend is this http://judicial-inc.biz/1_master_supreme.htm
and do not go there SOLELY because i am telling you this. Do not take my word for this, if you do then nobody is more disappointed than me! And you are then no better than the sheep you try to wakeup. Reaching people is TOUGH, i know. So keep this in mind as you read this post, step into the other person's shoes, and consider what I am warning you of.

another site is Iamthewitness.com run by Daryl Bradford Smith. he does a radio show and on the site you can download them for free. put them on your ipod, listen to them in your free time, listen to them on your daily commutes. Just please take heed to message and information.

We should not be blindly following the mainstream researchers...that is not what being enlightened or wise is, it is in fact the opposite. we should be challenging the Alex Jones, the Jordan Maxwells, the David Ickes, and the many other notable researchers to work harder and share with us the true material and information, no matter who it hurts or offends. We need to clean house and clean up some of these disinfo messes that WE have let manifest in this field of knowledge. It's like David says in his books, "one man cannot change the world. but one man can communicate the message that will change the world." I am only one man. I can't reach everyone. I have to count on YOU guys. Likewise, you are only one individual. If you have something important to share with everyone, please, DO IT. Ask me for help if you need, i dont care, i will always be there to help the underdog as should you too. I am no christ, but i have passion and that can make up for alot of shortcomings. it is the information and message that matter, not the medium.

Also please watch Eric Hufschmidt's "Painful Questions" video on 9/11.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1010192776487825352&q=painful+questions&hl=en He uses flawless logic and reasoning to show that the real story is being hidden from us. I will recommend David Icke to everyone I meet until death, but this man's video is far more convincing that David's presentations on 9/11, at least in my opinion. Mostly because you can't argue with Logic, Reasoning, or the Socratic Method. Logic and Reasoning will prove to be your greatest weapon to wake up the rest of the nappers, hopefully you already know that.

Don't know whether someone has posted a message similar to this in the recent past on this forum. I'm new to the forum but I am an Ickean veteran. Anyways i apologize for such a ranty, long-winded post but this needed to be said. STOP putting blind confidence in these mainstream researchers. Instead invest that confidence in yourself, as you are the only one you can ever really rely on! The answers are out there, nobody dropped the research and information into David's lap...

And dont ever forget...that you really are Infinite Love, Consciousness, and Possibi

[damagedbrainn]

Well it's funny because everytime I turn my back the goalposts keep changing. Can you give a real definition something we can use as a cannon for this thread?

I'm always the guy on this forum telling the people debating the holocaust are absolutely stupid, which they are...The whole debate is over, truthers need to move on and truthers that dwell on this hurt our movement.

9/11 and the banking system is where it's at.

It's just that I hate these self-righteous tirades by people who are really just as David Icke would say repeaters.

And what, in your opinion, is the conclusion of that debate?

[damagedbrainn]

Originaly posted by edro9494

For those unaware, which nobody should be from knowing Icke's work, there is alot to gain by diverting attention from the real culprit.

Unfortunately, as you probably know, conspiracy literature is FILLED with this disease known as DISINFORMATION. And yes I understand and sympathize with you, sometimes its extremely difficult to evaluate evidence and what is shit from the litter.

I used to be huge fan of Alex Jones, still am to a certain extent. However this man is lying by omission. He gives us 85% of details and info. Folks, this man will never point the finger at Israel and Zionism when appropriate, he is a Zionist. make no mistake about it! i know he is inspiring and can get you fired up, i know guys. But in the last year I've run across some sites that cover, in depth, current Jewish Zionist doings and affairs.

I mean not to be an alarmist, I dont believe in fear. I'm a big student of Icke and Alex Jones. And let me tell you something first-hand folks. They might mention it here and there, but there is much, much more for you to learn about Jewish Zionism and how it is RUINING, not only American, but the world. Take a look at the dead women, children, and men scattered in the sands of Iraq. Is a three year-old girl with her head blown off an "Al Qaida Operative?"

Now I know Icke makes it clear in his works that this Illuminati/reptilian control is not solely Jewish, its much larger than that and includes gentiles as well as all other expressions of DNA.

However, if you live in the US like I do, you can see that Zionism and unabated support of IS-RA-EL is off the Richter Scale. And that is why I am saying this, because I felt let down by Jones and Icke when I saw they weren't covering it as much as other less-advanced researchers are doing as of right now. Nothing feels worse to me, than to find out I was wasting my time while I was being duped. Let me say that Jones is much worse than Icke, from what I see and know. Still, we NEED the WHOLE storyline so we can accurately identify an appropriate remedy. its great to know the history of the vatican and templars and what-not, but you must understand the PRESENT to setup a reasonable future.

ALL of you HERE should know that! you should all be here on this forum because you love, desire, and thirst to know the truth of all things regardless of how unpleasant or sickening it might be. The TRUTH HURTS, this is nothing new for you guys. And if you are going around believing everything you hear because you assumed that person knew more than you, then you deserve to be taken down a dead-end. You need to use your reasoning/logic skills to discern between what to pursue.

I am here to show you another door to more information, specifically covering Jewish Zionism, past and present.

one site i would recommend is this http://judicial-inc.biz/1_master_supreme.htm
and do not go there SOLELY because i am telling you this. Do not take my word for this, if you do then nobody is more disappointed than me! And you are then no better than the sheep you try to wakeup. Reaching people is TOUGH, i know. So keep this in mind as you read this post, step into the other person's shoes, and consider what I am warning you of.

another site is Iamthewitness.com run by Daryl Bradford Smith. he does a radio show and on the site you can download them for free. put them on your ipod, listen to them in your free time, listen to them on your daily commutes. Just please take heed to message and information.

We should not be blindly following the mainstream researchers...that is not what being enlightened or wise is, it is in fact the opposite. we should be challenging the Alex Jones, the Jordan Maxwells, the David Ickes, and the many other notable researchers to work harder and share with us the true material and information, no matter who it hurts or offends. We need to clean house and clean up some of these disinfo messes that WE have let manifest in this field of knowledge. It's like David says in his books, "one man cannot change the world. but one man can communicate the message that will change the world." I am only one man. I can't reach everyone. I have to count on YOU guys. Likewise, you are only one individual. If you have something important to share with everyone, please, DO IT. Ask me for help if you need, i dont care, i will always be there to help the underdog as should you too. I am no christ, but i have passion and that can make up for alot of shortcomings. it is the information and message that matter, not the medium.

Also please watch Eric Hufschmidt's "Painful Questions" video on 9/11.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1010192776487825352&q=painful+questions&hl=en He uses flawless logic and reasoning to show that the real story is being hidden from us. I will recommend David Icke to everyone I meet until death, but this man's video is far more convincing that David's presentations on 9/11, at least in my opinion. Mostly because you can't argue with Logic, Reasoning, or the Socratic Method. Logic and Reasoning will prove to be your greatest weapon to wake up the rest of the nappers, hopefully you already know that.

Don't know whether someone has posted a message similar to this in the recent past on this forum. I'm new to the forum but I am an Ickean veteran. Anyways i apologize for such a ranty, long-winded post but this needed to be said. STOP putting blind confidence in these mainstream researchers. Instead invest that confidence in yourself, as you are the only one you can ever really rely on! The answers are out there, nobody dropped the research and information into David's lap...

And dont ever forget...that you really are Infinite Love, Consciousness, and Possibi

I rest my case.

[eternal_spirit]

9/11 and the banking system is where it's at.



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One word is where these are at Zionism. That's my conclusion after much research...It's not the Arabs/Muslims, Pakistanis who did 911. And the World's debt is owed to the Zionist Bankers, so they control/own the World.

[chris]

Yet again, another interesting thread discussing the irony of mental imprisonment is high-jacked by the ultra liberal PC douchebag.

Can we get back onto the discussion about mental imprisonment through conditioning?

Grover66, when I first decided that I would read the Satanic bible, I had all those feelings you described…I thought I might goto hell or turn Satanist or something but when I started reading it I realised it was just snippets of ragged Golden Dawn teachings amalgamated with a sense of rebellious condescension with a little bit of common sense on top (to trick the foolish)…No way was it Satanic, it was just some idiot who wanted to do something a bit different.

[eternal_spirit]

I rest my case.

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Well after reading some of the Protocols of Zion and the Babylonian Talmud....It's enough proof to see who is anti who and what's what. These two articles are the most racist of books I've ever come across.

Anyone who get's to close to the truth will be labeled anti semite.

[Anders Lindman]

another site is Iamthewitness.com run by Daryl Bradford Smith. he does a radio show and on the site you can download them for free.

I took a look and it was about France and Zionism it seems. I have half-seriously written about France as an NWO conspiracy center in another thread without really having done any thorough research. Will listen to Smith's radio show now. I guess however that the real elite are above nationality, culture, religion and so on.

[eternal_spirit]

I took a look and it was about France and Zionism it seems. I have half-seriously written about France as an NWO conspiracy center in another thread without really having done any thorough research. Will listen to Smith's radio show now. I guess however that the real elite are above nationality, culture, religion and so on.

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A region once known as Lombardy part of which is France today is related to Black Nobility, also the name Lombard street in the financial City of London bankers etc.

Icke said somewhere that the Elite of Elite/controllers may lie in China or the Asia, ( correct me if i'm wrong but I'm almost certian this is what he wrote) I haven't come across anything that proves this statement. Maybe it's meant to be a secret and no one has, or is allowed to publish much info about this.

[damagedbrainn]

Yet again, another interesting thread discussing the irony of mental imprisonment is high-jacked by the ultra liberal PC douchebag.

Yet another ad hominem stated by a Christian Fundamentalist posing as a "free thinker".

when I first decided that I would read the Satanic bible, I had all those feelings you described…I thought I might goto hell or turn Satanist or something but when I started reading it I realised it was just snippets of ragged Golden Dawn teachings amalgamated with a sense of rebellious condescension with a little bit of common sense on top (to trick the foolish)…No way was it Satanic, it was just some idiot who wanted to do something a bit different.

Agree 100%, surprisingly. It's a silly book with about as much "occult" credibility as Simon's Necronomicon.

[eternal_spirit]

Agree 100%, surprisingly. It's a silly book with about as much "occult" credibility as Simon's Necronomicon.
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LOL So who and what are the real black magic texts and occultists?

[chris]

Yet another ad hominem stated by a Christian Fundamentalist posing as a "free thinker".


Christian:D You crack me up.

[eternal_spirit]

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Icke said somewhere that the Elite of Elite/controllers may lie in China or the Asia, ( correct me if i'm wrong but I'm almost certian this is what he wrote) I haven't come across anything that proves this statement. Maybe it's meant to be a secret and no one has, or is allowed to publish much info about this.


According to Alan Watt the only place they aren't spraying chemtrails is China. Communism is a creation of Zionism, The Priory de Sion is, was created in France maybe.
Sion is Zion which is Sun. Takes us back to feeekin Egypt again.

[lizzy]

United States, Britain, Israel are Just Colonies
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
October 2, 2007


By Henry Makow Ph.D.

Hardly a day goes by without a new article on the Internet blaming the Israel Lobby and neo-cons for the war in Iraq.

The power of the Jewish neo-cons is analogous to that of Communist Jews in the FDR era. Caroll Quigley wrote, "the power that these energetic left-wingers exercised was never their own power or Communist power but was ultimately the power of the international financial coterie." (Tragedy and Hope, p.954)

In my review of "The Red Dragon" last week, I presented the hypothesis that there is only one imperial power in the world: the central banking cartel. Because it creates money out of nothing, it is obliged to buy everything it can. It hides behind the mask of British, American, French or Japanese imperialism, Nazism, Zionism, Communism, etc. but essentially the same people instigate and finance all wars, and profit from them, at the expense of humanity.

The fundamental agenda appears to be that of the "The Protocols of Zion" (a "forgery" with amazing prescient power) "to undermine all collective forces not our own" by which they mean all nations, races, religions and family. They intend to sow chaos until an exasperated and exhausted humanity succumbs to their world "super government."

According to Red Dragon author L.B. Woolfolk, this ethnic-Jewish dominated "Money Power," operating through the Bank of England and countless corporate fronts, tied up most of the world's wealth as early as 1864.

They are colonizing the world, including the so-called imperialist powers. The most draconian repressive measures are taking place in England, the headquarters of this cabal. They created Israel not as a Jewish homeland but as seat of their future Masonic world government. They instigated the Holocaust to force Jews to support Israel. They may have used the Holocaust to mask the true character of WWII: an attack on Christian European civilization in general by a satanic heretical Jewish sect (the bankers) . They owned I.G. Farben , the backbone of the Nazi war machine, which used Jewish slave labor at Auschwitz.

The US has been a colony of this financial power for a long time. In 1919, Col. Edward House, a Rothschild agent, spoke of using the League of Nations for the [quote] "peaceful return of the American colonies to the dominion of the Crown." House writes: "The League is in substance the Empire with America admitted on the same basis as our other colonies."

The "Crown" is a euphemism for this private cartel. Col. House boasts that the "Crown" used U.S. Treasury loans intended for war purposes to buy up oil fields in California, Mexico and Latin America.

"The war has made us custodians of the greater part of the world's raw materials... [We] now largely control the oil fields of the world and thereby the world's transportation and industry."


WE HAVE BEEN COLONIZED

According to Wikipedia, "colonising nations generally dominate the resources, labor, and markets of the colonial territory, and may also impose socio-cultural, religious and linguistic structures on the conquered population."

We have not been invaded by a foreign army but by foreign capital. As Col. House intimates, they own a controlling interest in industry, and have used that position to buy the politicians, the media and education.

House described how their "entire system of thought control" was working relentlessly for the adoption of the League. But he could be referring to the Iraq War, Global Warming, the EU, or North American Union, today. I urge you to read this document because their tactics haven't changed.

Back in 1919, Col. House used Canadians and Brits to persuade Americans to join the League. He also used the elite-sponsored YMCA, Red Cross, and Salvation Army.

"The League's praises are thundered by our press, decreed by our college presidents, and professed by our professors. Our authors, writers and lecturers are analysing its selected virtues... we have enlisted 8000 propagandists for the League. We have organized international and national synods, committees, conferences, convocations, conventions, councils...to herald the birth of the League as the dawn of universal peace."

"Agriculturalists, bankers, brokers, accountants, chemists, and all other functional groups capable of exerting organized professional, business, financial or social pressure are meeting to endorse the League in the name of peace, progress and prosperity...Our film concerns are preparing an epoch-making picture..."

"In short, our entire system of thought control is working ceaselessly, tirelessly, ruthlessly, to ensure the adoption of the League. And it will be adopted, for business wants peace, the righteous cannot resist a covenant, and the politicians, after shadow boxing for patronage purposes, will yield valiantly [is this a threat?] lest the fate of the wanton and wilful pursue them."

COLONIZATION OF THE MIND: FAST FORWARD

Today, the bankers are fomenting war between Zionism and Islam as part of their world colonization plan. Iran is being targeted for its oil wealth, independence and belief in God.

As in the past, they use all available means of "thought control," Jewish or non-Jewish. Most people can be tricked by a slogan or bought for the price of a steady job.

Because they control the media, neo-cons haven't felt the wrath of the American people for Iraq; and are beating the drums for war with Iran.

Recently, the President of Iran was a guest speaker at Columbia University where angry Zionists picketed him. The President of the University, Lee Bolinger, called him "an evil petty dictator." Bollinger, who is a Zionist, apparently cleared his speech with the Israel Lobby.

Here is an example of how a university supposedly dedicated to truth has been subverted by organized Jewry to foment war. Throughout history, organized Jewry has been accused of being a Fifth Column. Unorganized Jewry needs to repudiate Organized Jewry!

Of the eight Ivy League universities, only Dartmouth has a President who is a white non- Jewish male. Four have Jewish presidents. The other three have militant feminists. (Feminism, today's version of Communism, envisages a total transformation of society.)

Let's see how this "system of thought control" works. At Princeton, Shirley Tilghman succeeded Judith Rodin, a Jewish feminist who is now President of the Rockefeller Foundation.

Tilghman is not Jewish but, according to an alumnus, she "has pursued an activist feminist agenda to remake Princeton into a liberal paradise ...Princeton is rife with political correctness, multiculturalism, and liberal groupthink."

In 1945, Dartmouth president Ernest M. Hopkins declared that his "is a Christian college founded for the Christianization of its students." In the 1970s and 1980s, Dartmouth entrusted "the Christianization of its students" to two Jewish presidents. In the 1990s, Harvard and Yale also selected presidents with Jewish backgrounds. By 1993, Jews headed five of the eight Ivy League institutions prompting some wags to refer to the "Oy Vei" League.


Whether it's education, media or business, the central bankers appear to regard Jews are trustworthy agents. This is not a racial thing. Jews that forget their task are fired. For example, Lawrence Sommers , the President of Harvard was replaced by a desiccated feminist (non-Jewish) after he dared to opine that men had superior scientific ability.

Of course the Freemasons are a prime example of a largely non-Jewish organization secretly devoted to subverting Western Civilization. In England, they have spawned a "charity" called "Common Purpose" which has recruited prominent people (educators, judges, cops, churchmen) entrusted to uphold democracy, sovereignty and the rule of law to undermine all three. They are run out of the office of the Deputy Prime Minister of the UK!

CONCLUSION

The New World Order is an extension of the imperialism of the "Crown", a clique of Jewish bankers and their Gentile accomplices devoted to "absorbing the wealth of the world" (in Cecil Rhodes words) and enslaving the human race.

We are being colonized by this financial power. The bogus "War of Terror" obviously is directed against us. It is the naked fist of this imperialism. Our jobs and resources are exported. Illegal aliens are imported to divide our poltical culture and dilute our job market. The education system is used for mass indoctrination. News is controlled. Entertainment is filled with trivia, drugs, violence and pornography. Obviously our masters wish to arrest our development.

In every colonial situation, the political and cultural elite consists of people who serve the occupying power. Thus, let's judge people not by their race, but by the service they perform for the invisible invader. And let's not confuse them with the real imperialist "Money Power."

The sooner we see ourselves as colonized, the sooner we can declare our independence.
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[eternal_spirit]

I don’t love Jews, I don’t hate them. I judge each person as an individual. If you want to smear me then you may as well forget it, half my family is Jewish. I love them to bits.

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I'm a mix
German, English, Irish... mostly. The English fought the Germans, the English didn't like the Irish. I was born in England, my Mum's form Liverpool I was born in Lancashire, the scousers call the wools the wools call the scousers. :D That's the short version lol.

[Anders Lindman]

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A region once known as Lombardy part of which is France today is related to Black Nobility, also the name Lombard street in the financial City of London bankers etc.

Icke said somewhere that the Elite of Elite/controllers may lie in China or the Asia, ( correct me if i'm wrong but I'm almost certian this is what he wrote) I haven't come across anything that proves this statement. Maybe it's meant to be a secret and no one has, or is allowed to publish much info about this.

David Icke has talked about the City of London as the major Illuminati center I believe, or maybe he said that it was a center and not the center. But he could have come up with new information about Asia being the center. I started to speculate about France as the center after looking into the euro and stuff like that. Switzerland is also an alternative with its banking power.

[damagedbrainn]

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LOL So who and what are the real black magic texts and occultists?

There are no real "black magic" texts (even The Satanic Bible includes rituals intended towards helping others, as well as hurting others). Most of the occult can pretty much be used either way, depending upon the intentions of the one using it.

[chris]

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LOL So who and what are the real black magic texts and occultists?



Some decent occultists: Cornelius Agrippa,Theophrastus Aureolus Bombastus von Hohenheim (Paracelsus), Francis Bacon & Isaac Hollandus to name but a few.

Some decents occult texts, libre astronomie, Guido Bonatti. Golden Chain of Homer (fucking amazing). The Art of Distillation, John French. 3 Books of occult philosophy, Cornelius Agrippa. William Lilly has some good shit too.

More modern I would say you can't go wrong with anything from Jean Dubris who formed the philosophers of nature.

[damagedbrainn]

Christian:D You crack me up.

Yeah, that was stupid. Sorry.

[eternal_spirit]

There are no real "black magic" texts (even The Satanic Bible includes rituals intended towards helping others, as well as hurting others). Most of the occult can pretty much be used either way, depending upon the intentions of the one using it.

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I know about intent. Just wondering what you thought who does the most/worst black magic if it's not satanists. Satanism is like any other religion there are different types.

[damagedbrainn]

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I know about intent. Just wondering what you thought who does the most/worst black magic if it's not satanists. Satanism is like any other religion there are different types.

Aside from the Church of Satan, and the various theistic satanic "religions" which have recently sprang up (and have a very small membership, some of whom only exist as a group on the internet), there has never been a religion known as "Satanism". Satanism is just a catch-all term that people either use out of convenience or lazy ignorance to represent everything they view as evil.

The only two religions that I can think of which would even come close to matching the "Satanic" description would be the Sethians and the Yezidi. But even they would only qualify as a matter of subjective perspective.

[chris]

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I know about intent. Just wondering what you thought who does the most/worst black magic if it's not satanists. Satanism is like any other religion there are different types.

Satanism in the way Christians will have you believe is a paranoid myth, I've looked and if there is a Satanism they have described it's safely under lock and key.

[geo2]

:eek: you have opened a 'can' of worms..............first, check out the data/info on the Khazars, also the word-jew....

:rolleyes: on the so-called Catholics, is the Pope, Catholic, of course not, he's just a chump-of-the-New-Roman-Empire, if he was a catholic or the other stuff that he claims to be, he would do as the Mary, Our-Lady-Of-Fatima asked and there would be PEACE/peace...

:cool:the Merovingians are the biggest known branch of the House-of-David ... our fucking daddy-david and his sons and daughters have fucked their way into most of Europe and just about all of Africa and are fucking into Asia and the native stock, so you seeeee, FUCKING is the 'cure' to all the problems and my g/f Dora agrees with me !

Hail Penelopee ! Ms P Galore !

[eternal_spirit]

Aside from the Church of Satan, and the various theistic satanic "religions" which have recently sprang up (and have a very small membership, some of whom only exist as a group on the internet), there has never been a religion known as "Satanism". Satanism is just a catch-all term that people either use out of convenience or lazy ignorance to represent everything they view as evil.

The only two religions that I can think of which would even come close to matching the "Satanic" description would be the Sethians and the Yezidi. But even they would only qualify as a matter of subjective perspective.

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I'd still call it a religion.....Christianity and satanism both originate from the Bible. The anti Christ and the black mass both opposites of what Christ and the Christian mass are about. Of course other religions have a archetypal figure of good and evil.

Satan has his Fallen angels, who are demons to be summoned via rituals satanists know and practice this, so it's not as innocent as you make out. And much bigger than small groups which use the Internet to promote, recruit and spin pro propaganda spiel, disguising it's other intentions which can be seen by researchers such as myself, who can read beyond the spiel. So to laugh it off as some pantomine and self empowering tool is what Satan the deceiver wishes the unwise to do.

The Sethians Set? Temple of Set a connection by name if not the same group on the surface....but working for the same side with a similar agenda. Aquino is/was heavily involved with Mk ultra type mind control which in turn has much to do with possession.

Have a good look at Aquino and La Vey you can see these guys are evil, just by pics and videos. If you know more about other groups let's hear it?

[eternal_spirit]

Yezidi ?

[eternal_spirit]

Bit off subject here lol.

This should be discussed in one of the many Satanism threads....

[chris]

And what, in your opinion, is the conclusion of that debate?

Well you haven't debated anything I have said other than saying the holocaust has been defined 'because you said so.' Are you saying 6 million people died in those camps and anything else is holocaust denial? If that's the definition your going to have your work cut out for you.

You also didn't respond to the fact that David Icke questions the official version of the holocaust, read chapter 7 of the truth will set you free...How do you feel about that?

We spend more time on this pc bullshit than discussing real facts. Yes the holocaust was terrible but they didn't make nazi soap out of jew bones...They killed these people to save money not to get clean.

[albie]

During all of my research lately regarding Illuminati, elite, MK-ULTRA, Reptilians, etc, I find it really intriguing that the one subject I really recoiled from and found myself quickly clicking out of a website that dared mention it was anti-semitism.

When I first started following links about Zionism and the Holocaust, I really felt like I'd commited a crime by coming across a page that suggested that maybe the Holocaust hadn't happened. It was at about that stage that I decided that all this "conspiracy" stuff was just anti-semetic and I tried to go about my "normal" life for a few days and forget it all.

Then I got to thinking. Isn't it weird how we have such an overwhelmingly guilty reflex at the mere suggestion of "Holocaust denial" or what an emotional reaction the phrase "anti-semetic" elicits?

Which got me to further thinking: why?

I mean, I was raised a Catholic. My whole family is Catholic. Until recently I would have described myself as "a lapsed Catholic" (now I'll have NOTHING to do with the Catholic Church, thanks all the same). But I was forever having the piss taken out of me about being a Catholic and I'd laugh it off. No big guilt for the piss-taker. No ghashing of teeth for having dared to vilify Catholicism for the piss-taker.

So why is it people in general believe so strongly that anything even remotely sniffing of "anti-Jewish" is SO heinous?

Weird. And I've also been thinking lately, funny how we're all being given free reign -- nay, ENCOURAGED to be anti-Muslim! Quite okay to hate the Muslims. Almost death by firing squad to hate the Jews. Well, not even "hate" the Jews ... merely even politely suggest that they could possibly be ... no, I can't bring myself to say it. I'll try again. That the Jews could possibly be ... (deep breath). That the Jews could possibly be ... wrong?


The point is that I've never seen any good evidence to support the idea that the Holocaust didn't happen.

So to raise the subject just seems pointless and heartless. You are making out the jews to be liars for no good reason?

Why would you do that? Unless like most of the holocaust deniers:you just don't like jews. Hence bullet in your head.

Whereas muslims can be blatantly vile people. Bullet in their head.

[chris]

The point is that I've never seen any good evidence to support the idea that the Holocaust didn't happen.

So to raise the subject just seems pointless and heartless. You are making out the jews to be liars for no good reason?

Why would you do that? Unless like most of the holocaust deniers:you just don't like jews. Hence bullet in your head.

Whereas muslims can be blatantly vile people. Bullet in their head.

lol, I missed you man.

[damagedbrainn]

Well you haven't debated anything I have said other than saying the holocaust has been defined 'because you said so.' Are you saying 6 million people died in those camps and anything else is holocaust denial? If that's the definition your going to have your work cut out for you.

No, I'm not saying that 6 million Jews died in the camps. In fact, NOBODY is saying that. The estimate is that between 5 to 6 million Jews died as a consequence of Nazi policies: Including the concentration camps, executions, ghettoization, starvation, etc....

Over 60 million people died during World War II (which is what David Icke meant when he said the whole damn thing was a holocaust)....about 40 million of them were civilians. Between 1941 and 1944, over 3 million Soviet POW's had died, either due to mistreatment in the camps, or through straight executions. The Soviet Union lost, in all, about 27 million. Somewhere between 500,000 and a million Gypsies were killed. Between 10 to 12 million civilians are believed to have died in the concentration camps (about 3 to 4 million Jews died in the camps, while the remaining 2 to 3 million Jewish casualties died by other means previously mentioned). Over 7 million Chinese died as a result of the war's extension into the east. There's plenty more, go look it up.

So taking all of that into consideration, 5 to 6 million Jewish casualties really doesn't sound that far-fetched. Just to make sure you get the point (so that you can at least know before you choose to ignore it): 40 million civilians died....5-6 million were Jews. 10 to 12 million died in the concentration/extermination camps....about 3 to 4 million were Jews, which isn't even half. About the same number of Soviet POW's died in camps as well, but nobody disputes that. More Chinese people died than Jews. You getting it yet?

Despite everything you've heard from conspiracy theorists, Neo-Nazis, and perhaps the Orthodoxy, THAT is actually the official story which you and too many others on here find so unbelievable. So who really has their head up their ass? Or up somebody's ass anyway.

[razed1]

jordan maxwell gives the real definition of the word holocaust
holocaust = "sacrificial burnt offering" :eek:


we know that the words these ppl use to describe events are very important, i mean, they couldve eaily called it the WW2 'massacre' or something

but this word 'holocaust' is DRILLED into every1's mind by the mainstream



also, there have been different races, in alot more numbers than the 'alleged' 6 million, who have died, i dont see anyone careating museums, or brainwashing little children in schools over it, so what makes jews so special, that they need all this extra attention??

[grover66]

jordan maxwell gives the real definition of the word holocaust
holocaust = "sacrificial burnt offering" :eek:


we know that the words these ppl use to describe events are very important, i mean, they couldve eaily called it the WW2 'massacre' or something

but this word 'holocaust' is DRILLED into every1's mind by the mainstream



also, there have been different races, in alot more numbers than the 'alleged' 6 million, who have died, i dont see anyone careating museums, or brainwashing little children in schools over it, so what makes jews so special, that they need all this extra attention??


Thank you, that was kind of the point I'd naively dared to raise in the first place. Nothing against Jews, don't personally know any but love Seinfeld. All I was getting at is why the emotional reaction. It was more a point I guess about how we're conditioned or brainwashed to think a certain way, and the example I used happened to be the Holocaust/Jews ... no, let me correct that. Not Jews per se, but Zionists I guess.

Anyway, seems you can't even raise the question in here (let alone raise it "out there" in the mainstream) without drawing all sorts of snipes. :)

I shall investigate the links kindly suggested in the various answers and crawl back into my shell. As you were citizens!

[chris]

All I was getting at is why the emotional reaction.

Exactly, if someone wanted to deny Churchill bombing the primative people of Iraq then that's fine and at worst people think you were just ignorant but if you question certain parts of the official narative of the holocaust in some countries you will goto prison. These people are the ones responsible for neonazis because they turn something into a thoughtcrime.

[razed1]

The point is that I've never seen any good evidence to support the idea that the Holocaust didn't happen.

So to raise the subject just seems pointless and heartless. You are making out the jews to be liars for no good reason?

Why would you do that? Unless like most of the holocaust deniers:you just don't like jews. Hence bullet in your head.

Whereas muslims can be blatantly vile people. Bullet in their head.

you are playing devil's advocate?

[chris]

you are playing devil's advocate?

He is the devil's advocate.

[albie]

jordan maxwell gives the real definition of the word holocaust
holocaust = "sacrificial burnt offering" :eek:


we know that the words these ppl use to describe events are very important, i mean, they couldve eaily called it the WW2 'massacre' or something

but this word 'holocaust' is DRILLED into every1's mind by the mainstream



also, there have been different races, in alot more numbers than the 'alleged' 6 million, who have died, i dont see anyone careating museums, or brainwashing little children in schools over it, so what makes jews so special, that they need all this extra attention??

BECAUSE THEY WERE KILLED BY PEOPLE WHO WERE CONSIDERED TO BE CIVILIZED. PEOPLE LIKE US. PEOPLE NEXT DOOR TO US.

It's not that the jews are getting special treatment, it's that we are reminding ourselves that evil isn't so far away.

as for brainwashing little kids? We were never taught anything about the holocaust in school.

Your whole post sounds very unsophistcated and racist.

[albie]

He is the devil's advocate.

Devil's advocate? I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE BIT OF GOOD EVIDENCE THAT THE HOLOCAUST WAS EXAGGERATED.

And if you are going to throw evidence at me, be warned. I've discussed this topic a lot. And I've yet to be beaten.


So check what you throw at me. Hey, it will be a new experience for you.

[eternal_spirit]

Devil's advocate? I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE BIT OF GOOD EVIDENCE THAT THE HOLOCAUST WAS EXAGGERATED.

And if you are going to throw evidence at me, be warned. I've discussed this topic a lot. And I've yet to be beaten.


So check what you throw at me. Hey, it will be a new experience for you.

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Oh dear, it was a joke albie. Check out the Babylonian Talmud it's about the most racist religous book I've come across. How Jews are taught to treat none Jews., and even the Elite Jews consider others Jews to be lesser Jews...Genocide?
The origins of the word Holocaust comes from the cannanite ritual sacrafice where they would burn people alive Holocaust means ( burnt offering ) to Bal Bel sun God, so the word itself is Jewish.

The Communists( Jews ) when they arrived at the camps put the German people in there, so much of the photos you see could well be dead German people.

Have you heard the one about the Rothschilds they commited genocide on what they considered to be lesser Jews in the camps etc so they could convince other Jews to migrate to Jerusalem which became Israel. It's said they funded Hitler to aid them in their plan so they could set up the Zionist state of Israel. The Rothschilds consider themselves King of the Jews.

The Nuremberg trials was a farce many of the confessions where omitted under extreme torture and threats to the confessors families. So to say the Holocaust is all facts that in itself is a myth. The official story seems to have been exaggerated.

[eternal_spirit]

click below for more info
(http://www.ground-radar.com/)

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http://judicial-inc.biz/Rissga_m3.jpg

There has never been one archealogical dig to prove how many people are said to be in some of the known places where the mass graves are located.

They could use a less intrusive method such as ground radar to discover some truth.

[spacegurl]

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Oh dear, it was a joke albie. Check out the Babylonian Talmud it's about the most racist religous book I've come across. How Jews are taught to treat none Jews., and even the Elite Jews consider others Jews to be lesser Jews...Genocide?
The origins of the word Holocaust comes from the cannanite ritual sacrafice where they would burn people alive Holocaust means ( burnt offering ) to Bal Bel sun God, so the word itself is Jewish.

The Communists( Jews ) when they arrived at the camps put the German people in there, so much of the photos you see could well be dead German people.

Have you heard the one about the Rothschilds they commited genocide on what they considered to be lesser Jews in the camps etc so they could convince other Jews to migrate to Jerusalem which became Israel. It's said they funded Hitler to aid them in their plan so they could set up the Zionist state of Israel. The Rothschilds consider themselves King of the Jews.

The Nuremberg trials was a farce many of the confessions where omitted under extreme torture and threats to the confessors families. So to say the Holocaust is all facts that in itself is a myth. The official story seems to have been exaggerated.

That is very true. Since the days of the old testement, jews have a term for non-jews: "goy". It means "swine". They also think they're the chosen people. Christianity and Islam came from judaism as they were a form of judaism for non-jews and those 2 religions always seek to convert everyone. Judaism doesn't do that because its a religion of jewish blood. Notice how many people have been killed throughout history because of these poisonous religions.

[eternal_spirit]

That is very true. Since the days of the old testement, jews have a term for non-jews: "goy". It means "swine". They also think they're the chosen people. Christianity and Islam came from judaism as they were a form of judaism for non-jews and those 2 religions always seek to convert everyone. Judaism doesn't do that because its a religion of jewish blood. Notice how many people have been killed throughout history because of these poisonous religions.

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The Hindu religion is the earliest known recorded in History and some say all others originated from this.

I used to think Christianity came from Judasim but I'm not so certain anymore. It was the Pharisees who wanted Jesus killed as well as the Romans ( If in deed there was a flesh and blood man named Jesus) I see him as a human rights activist, protesting against the sacrafices in the synagogue, while people where starving out side.

And taking up issue with the Ursury ( High interest rate loans to none Jews while no interest charged to fellow Jews) Which is what they still practice today hence you buy one house but end up paying for three etc etc.

I think we'd be better off without religion. Is it no coincidence that some Jews call themselves AskenNazi?

[razed1]

Devil's advocate? I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE BIT OF GOOD EVIDENCE THAT THE HOLOCAUST WAS EXAGGERATED.

And if you are going to throw evidence at me, be warned. I've discussed this topic a lot. And I've yet to be beaten.


So check what you throw at me. Hey, it will be a new experience for you.

i know you are the alias of someon, just dont know who, honestly dont really take yer posts that serious, dont think you really feel that way,,

call it a hunch

[albie]

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Oh dear, it was a joke albie. Check out the Babylonian Talmud it's about the most racist religous book I've come across. How Jews are taught to treat none Jews., and even the Elite Jews consider others Jews to be lesser Jews...Genocide?
The origins of the word Holocaust comes from the cannanite ritual sacrafice where they would burn people alive Holocaust means ( burnt offering ) to Bal Bel sun God, so the word itself is Jewish.

The Communists( Jews ) when they arrived at the camps put the German people in there, so much of the photos you see could well be dead German people.

Have you heard the one about the Rothschilds they commited genocide on what they considered to be lesser Jews in the camps etc so they could convince other Jews to migrate to Jerusalem which became Israel. It's said they funded Hitler to aid them in their plan so they could set up the Zionist state of Israel. The Rothschilds consider themselves King of the Jews.

The Nuremberg trials was a farce many of the confessions where omitted under extreme torture and threats to the confessors families. So to say the Holocaust is all facts that in itself is a myth. The official story seems to have been exaggerated.

Times I've debunked all this crap! There's no evidence whatsoever that the Rothschilds funded Hitler.

The times I've been given quotes from the Talmud and they turn out to be fake.

You lot just spit out the same unsubstantiated crapola over and over.

I bet you've not checked one single bit of it. And no, that's not an insult, that's my experience of conspiracy theorists.

As for the trial. Many of those nazis who testified never once changed their story, EVEN WHEN THEY WERE SET FREE FROM PRISON.

Not one of them went running off to a newspaper to give their story.

Anyone here got any actual debate that is backed up?

This guy seems to be a repeater.

[albie]

The origins of the word Holocaust comes from the cannanite ritual sacrafice where they would burn people alive Holocaust means ( burnt offering ) to Bal Bel sun God, so the word itself is Jewish.

The term holocaust originally derived from the Greek word holókauston, meaning a "completely (holos) burnt (kaustos)" sacrificial offering to a god. Since the late 19th century, it has been used primarily to refer to disasters or catastrophes.

It's a GREEK WORD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Another example of how you guys don't check anything at all.

See why I don't trust a single word you say?

[albie]

Have you heard the one about the Rothschilds they commited genocide on what they considered to be lesser Jews in the camps etc so they could convince other Jews to migrate to Jerusalem which became Israel.

Love to know what crappy bullshit site you got that crappy bullshit from.

Go and check something for a change.

Disnfo not welcome.

[razed1]

uh oh, kook alert :confused:

[albie]

What? I add a bit of truth and suddenly I'm a kook? Sad that you try to marr my image to try to damage my argument. It's what always comes from you people.
You just can't debate because your belief system is flawed.

So you insult.

[razed1]

i little lacking in the truth dept

but ya sure do make up for it with unbridled enthusiasm!

[albie]

Show me where I went wrong truth wise. I'll bet you can't.

[albie]

i little lacking in the truth dept

but ya sure do make up for it with unbridled enthusiasm!

Hahah. Freudian slip.

The i is nowhere even near the a on the keyboard.

Deep down you know you know nothing of truth.

[spacegurl]

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The Hindu religion is the earliest known recorded in History and some say all others originated from this.

I used to think Christianity came from Judasim but I'm not so certain anymore. It was the Pharisees who wanted Jesus killed as well as the Romans ( If in deed there was a flesh and blood man named Jesus) I see him as a human rights activist, protesting against the sacrafices in the synagogue, while people where starving out side.

And taking up issue with the Ursury ( High interest rate loans to none Jews while no interest charged to fellow Jews) Which is what they still practice today hence you buy one house but end up paying for three etc etc.

I think we'd be better off without religion. Is it no coincidence that some Jews call themselves AskenNazi?

Yes the Hindu belief is very old and ancient. It comes from Aryan Vedic times. Religions like Judaism didn't originate from that at all but you'll find that the testements plaigurised many heathen beliefs. The story of Jesus being born on the 25th December (it contradicts his "birth" being in Spring) is exactly when gods were born at the same time. The son of Isis was born on Dec 25. The concept of Jesus dying on a wooden cross is a mirror of other older beliefs such as Odin who was hung from a tree. Christianity fed in pagan/heathen lore such as christmas/yuletide/easter to appeal to the folk. Saying this, Jesus never existed as a real person. There is no actual evidence confirming this. Even if Jesus was really around, he was the son of an adolescent prostitute and a Roman soldier who became a terrorist in those days. Christianity, the Bible and so on is all desert fairy tales without real facts. It's shocking how so many people believe in stuff like the holy spirit, virgin births, ect ect today in the 21st century.

[razed1]

like i said, you cant be serious ;)