Easter - Christian or Pagan?

[synergy777]

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Easter - Christian or Pagan?
2010 04 02

From: truthbeknown.com

Contrary to popular belief, Easter does not represent the "historical" crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In reality, the gospel tale reflects the annual "crossification" of the sun through the vernal equinox (Spring), at which time the sun is "resurrected," as the day begins to become longer than the night.

Rather than being a "Christian" holiday, Easter celebrations date back into remotest antiquity and are found around the world, as the blossoming of spring did not escape the notice of the ancients, who revered this life-renewing time of the year, when winter had passed and the sun was "born again." The "Pagan" Easter is also the Passover, and Jesus Christ represents not only the sun but also the Passover Lamb ritually sacrificed every year by a number of cultures, including the Egyptians, possibly as early as 4,000 years ago and continuing to this day in some places.

Easter is "Pessach" in Hebrew, "Pascha" in Greek, "Pachons" in Latin and "Pa-Khonsu" in Egyptian, "Khonsu" being an epithet for the sun god Horus. In Anglo-Saxon, Easter or Eostre is goddess of the dawn, corresponding to Ishtar, Astarte, Astoreth and Isis. The word "Easter" shares the same root with "east" and "eastern," the direction of the rising sun.

The principal Mexican solar festival was held at the vernal equinox, i.e., Easter, when sacrifices were made to sustain the sun. In India, the vernal equinox festival is called "Holi" and is especially sacred to the god Krishna. The Syrian sun and fertility god Attis was annually hung on a tree, dying and rising on March 24th and 25th, an "Easter celebration" that occurred at Rome as well. The March dates were later applied to the Passion and Resurrection of Christ: "Thus," says Sir Frazer, "the tradition which placed the death of Christ on the twenty-fifth of March was ancient and deeply rooted. It is all the more remarkable because astronomical considerations prove that it can have had no historical foundation…." This "coincidence" between the deaths and resurrections of Christ and the older Attis was not lost on early Christians, whom it distressed and caused to use the "devil got there first" excuse for the motif´s presence in pre-Christian paganism.

The rites of the "crucified Adonis," another dying and rising savior god, were also celebrated in Syria at Easter time. As Frazer states:

"When we reflect how often the Church has skillfully contrived to plant the seeds of the new faith on the old stock of paganism, we may surmise that the Easter celebration of the dead and risen Christ was grafted upon a similar celebration of the dead and risen Adonis, which, as we have seen reason to believe, was celebrated in Syria at the same season."

The salvific death and resurrection at Easter of the god, the initiation as remover of sin, and the notion of becoming "born again," are all ages-old Pagan motifs or mysteries rehashed in the later Christianity. The all-important death-and-resurrection motif is exemplified in the "Parisian magical papyrus," a Pagan text ostensibly unaffected by Christianity:

"Lord, being born again I perish in that I am being exalted, and having been exalted I die; from a life-giving birth being born into death I was thus freed and go the way which Thou has founded, as Thou hast ordained and hast made the mystery."

In the gospel tale, there are two dates for the crucifixion: the 14th and the 15th of the month of Nisan, and within Christianity the date for Easter was debated for centuries. There continue to be two dates for Easter: the Western Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, thus demonstrating that this holiday is not the historical date of the actual crucifixion of a particular man. The dates are, in fact, astronomical, astrological and astrotheological.

In explaining this roving date, one "distinguished churchman," as Catholic Church historian Eusebius called him, Anatolius, revealed the meaning of Easter and of Christ, as well as the fact that astrology was a known and respected science used in Christianity. Said Anatolius:

"On this day [March 22] the sun is found not only to have reached the first sign of the Zodiac, but to be already passing through the fourth day within it. This sign is generally known as the first of the twelve, the equinoctial sign, the beginning of months, head of the cycle, and start of the planetary course.... Aristobolus adds that it is necessary at the Passover Festival that not only the sun but the moon as well should be passing through an equinoctial sign. There are two of these signs, one in spring, one in autumn, diametrically opposed to each other...."

In establishing the "Paschal festival," Church father Anatolius thus based his calculations on the positions of the sun and moon during the vernal equinox.

The need to time the Easter celebration - or resurrection - to coincide with the vernal equinox demonstrates that "Christ" is not an historical personage but the sun. This fact of Easter being the resurrection of the Sun has been well known for centuries, just as "the Savior´s" birth at the winter solstice has been recognized as another solar motif. Another obvious clue as to Christ´s nature is the fact that the "Lord´s Day" is Sunday.

Concerning Easter, in his "Letter I. for 329" Bishop of Alexandria Athanasius (c. 293-373) remarks, "Again, ´the Sun of Righteousness,´ causing His divine beams to rise upon us, proclaims beforehand the time of the feast, in which, obeying Him, we ought to celebrate it…" Christ is thus the Sun of Righteousness, with "divine beams."

The Easter calculations were recomputed in the seventh century by the Christian author(s) of the Paschal Chronicle or Alexandria Chronicle, which seeks to establish a Christian chronology from "creation" to the year 628. The Paschal Chronicle determines the proper date for Easter as March 21st and the date of Christ´s resurrection as March 25th (or, midnight, March 24, three days after the beginning of the equinox). In his various calculations, the Chronicle author discusses solar and lunar cycles, including the 19-year lunar cycle, by which he reckons the crucifixion and resurrection, concluding: "This is consistent with the prior determinations of reputable men in the calculation of the heavenly bodies." To wit, Christ´s death and resurrection are based on astrotheology.

The Chronicle author further confirms that Christianity is a continuation of the ancient "Pagan" astrotheological religion when he states that the "Annunciation of our Lady," i.e., the conception of Christ by the Virgin Mary, likewise occurred on March 25th, the vernal equinox, exactly nine months prior to the December 25th birthdate, the annual rebirth of the sun.

TruthBeKnown.com

StellarHousePublishing.com

For more on the Pagan Roots of Easter, see: here

Acharya S is a scholar classically educated in archaeology, history, mythology and languages. Acharya specializes in religion and mythology, critiquing and comparing them, and providing unique insights into their origins. Although born into a Christian (Congregationalist Protestant) family, Acharya does not subscribe to any particular religion, nor is she a hardcore "atheist."

Acharya is the author of the controversial books "The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold"; "Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled"; "Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ"; and "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection." Among other less flattering things, Acharya S has been called "the ranking religious philosopher of our era" and "the voice of reason amidst global chaos." Her web site contains a wealth of information about: religion spirituality mythology archaeology history astrotheology archaeoastronomy ...

[synergy777]

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The Babylonian Origins of Easter (Ishtar)
2010 04 02

Excerpts from: lasttrumpetministries.org

Easter is a day that is honered by nearly all of contemporary Christianity and is used to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The holiday often involves a church service at sunrise, a feast which includes an "Easter Ham", decorated eggs and stories about rabbits.

Those who love truth learn to ask questions, and many questions must be asked regarding the holiday of Easter.

Is it truly the day when Jesus arose from the dead? Where did all of the strange customs come from?

The first thing we must understand is that professing Christians were not the only ones who celebrated a festival called "Easter."

"Ishtar", which is pronounced "Easter" was a day that commemorated the resurrection of one of their gods that they called "Tammuz", who was believed to be the only begotten son of the moon-goddess and the sun-god.


In those ancient times, there was a man named Nimrod, who was the grandson of one of Noah´s son named Ham.

Ham had a son named Cush who married a woman named Semiramis. Cush and Semiramis then had a son named him "Nimrod."

After the death of his father, Nimrod married his own mother and became a powerful King.

The Bible tells of of this man, Nimrod, in Genesis 10:8-10 as follows: "And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad,and Calneh, in the land of Shinar."

Nimrod became a god-man to the people and Semiramis, his wife and mother, became the powerful Queen of ancient Babylon.

Nimrod was eventually killed by an enemy, and his body was cut in pieces and sent to various parts of his kingdom.

Semiramis had all of the parts gathered, except for one part that could not be found.

That missing part was his reproductive organ. Semiramis claimed that Nimrod could not come back to life without it and told the people of Babylon that Nimrod had ascended to the sun and was now to be called "Baal", the sun god.

Queen Semiramis also proclaimed that Baal would be present on earth in the form of a flame, whether candle or lamp, when used in worship.

Semiramis was creating a mystery religion, and with the help of Satan (ok?), she set herself up as a goddess.

Semiramis claimed that she was immaculately conceived.

She taught that the moon was a goddess that went through a 28 day cycle and ovulated when full.

She further claimed that she came down from the moon in a giant moon egg that fell into the Euphrates River.

This was to have happened at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar´s" egg."

Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the sun-god Baal that caused her to conceive.

The son that she brought forth was named Tammuz.

Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.

The day came when Tammuz was killed by a wild pig.

Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.

Ishtar, who was now worshipped as the "Mother of God and Queen of Heaven", continued to build her mystery religion.

The queen told the worshippers that when Tammuz was killed by the wild pig, some of his blood fell on the stump of an evergreen tree, and the stump grew into a full new tree overnight. This made the evergreen tree sacred by the blood of Tammuz.

She also proclaimed a forty day period of time of sorrow each year prior to the anniversary of the death of Tammuz.

During this time, no meat was to be eaten.

Worshippers were to meditate upon the sacred mysteries of Baal and Tammuz, and to make the sign of the "T" in front of their hearts as they worshipped.

They also ate sacred cakes with the marking of a "T" or cross on the top.

Every year, on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox, a celebration was made.

It was Ishtar´s Sunday and was celebrated with rabbits and eggs.

Ishtar also proclaimed that because Tammuz was killed by a pig, that a pig must be eaten on that Sunday.

By now, the readers of this tract should have made the connection that paganism has infiltrated the contemporary "Christian" churches, and further study indicates that this paganism came in by way of the Roman Catholic System.

The truth is that Easter has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

We also know that Easter can be as much as three weeks away from the Passover, because the pagan holiday is always set as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Some have wondered why the word "Easter" is in the the King James Bible.

It is because Acts, chapter 12, tells us that it was the evil King Herod, who was planning to celebrate Easter, and not the Christians.

The true Passover and pagan Easter sometimes coincide, but in some years, they are a great distance apart.

We know that the Bible tells us in John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

The truth is that the forty days of Lent, eggs, rabbits,hot cross buns and the Easter ham have everything to do with the ancient pagan religion of Mystery Babylon. These are all antichrist activities! (ok?)

Satan is a master deceiver, and has filled the lives of well-meaning, professing Christians with idolatry.

These things bring the wrath of God upon children of disobedience, who try to make pagan customs of Baal worship Christian.

These customs of Easter honor Baal and is still worshipped as the "Rising Sun" and his house is the "House of the Rising Sun."

How many churches have "sunrise services" on Ishtar´s day and face the rising sun in the East?

How many will use colored eggs and rabbit stories, as they did in ancient Babylon.

Excerpts from: lasttrumpetministries.org

[synergy777]

Ä’ostre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Old English Ēostre (also Ēastre) and Old High German Ôstarâ are the names of a putative Germanic goddess whose Anglo-Saxon month, Ēostur-monath, has given its name to the festival of Easter. Eostre is attested only by Bede, in his 8th century work De temporum ratione, where he states that Ēostur-monath was the equivalent to the month of April, and that feasts held in her honor during Ēostur-monath had died out by the time of his writing, replaced by the "Paschal month." The possibility of a Common Germanic goddess called *Austrōn-, reflecting the name of the Proto-Indo-European goddess of the dawn, Hausos, was examined in detail in 19th century Germanic philology, by Jacob Grimm and others, without coming to a definite conclusion.

Subsequently scholars have discussed whether or not Eostra is an invention of Bede's, and produced theories connecting Eostra with records of Germanic Easter customs (including hares and eggs).

Ēostre derives from Proto-Germanic *austrō, ultimately from a PIE root *au̯es-, "to shine" and closely related to the name of the dawn goddess, *h2ausōs, whence Greek Eos, Roman Aurora and Indian Ushas.[1]

The modern English term Easter is the direct continuation of Old English Ēastre, which is attested from the late 9th century.[2] Ēostre is the Northumbrian form while Ēastre is West Saxon.[3]

Bede states that the name refers to a goddess named Ēostre who was celebrated at Eosturmonath, one of the months of the Anglo-Saxon calendar. In the 19th century Hans Grimm cited Bede when he proposed the existence of an Old High German equivalent named ōstarūn, plural, "Easter" (modern German language Ostern). There is no certain parallel to Ēostre in North Germanic languages though Grimm speculates that the east wind, "a spirit of light" named Austri found in the 13th century Icelandic Prose Edda book Gylfaginning, might be related.

[herushura]

The actual Truth about Easter
As in all ancient religions the Earth is always feminine repressented by a Earth Goddess.

The Sun rises out of the Earth in the Eastern Horizon. Therfor a repressentation of the Earth giving Birth to the Sun.

Due to the warmer temperature of Spring, Birds tends to lay Egg around Easter time.

Rabbits are more likely to have babies and larger litters during Spring.

Therfor Easter is neither Pagan or Christian its just universal Symbolizm repressenting Spring.

Ishtar is a goddess that older then the torah, therfor impossible for a character in the bible to have created her.

[decode reality]

The actual Truth about Easter
As in all ancient religions the Earth is always feminine repressented by a Earth Goddess.

The Sun rises out of the Earth in the Eastern Horizon. Therfor a repressentation of the Earth giving Birth to the Sun.

Due to the warmer temperature of Spring, Birds tends to lay Egg around Easter time.

Rabbits are more likely to have babies and larger litters during Spring.

Therfor Easter is neither Pagan or Christian its just universal Symbolizm repressenting Spring.

Ishtar is a goddess that older then the torah, therfor impossible for a character in the bible to have created her.

What he said.

[synergy777]

what i was interested in was the similarity of the babylonian ishtar/nimrod/tammuz and the earlier egyptain isis/osiris/horus.

egyptain format is isis and osiris equals horus, who fights against set.

in sumerian we get Semiramis and Nimrod equals tammuz.

this trinity is in vedic scripture aswell.

thus egyptain religion is in my view the possible forerunner of post flood/deluge sumerian/babylonian religion, (the jews were captive in babylon, eg the babylonian talmud etc).

thus what i want is to create a simple timeline of religions. this will tell us the outline of earths history.


atlantis/lemuria = egypt/america's (aztecs, mayans, olmecs) and vedic ( rama), this is then followed by a biblical flood, then we get babylon/sumeria.

if any1 has links to a decent timeline of empires/religions, please post it for us.

[thereisonlywe]

what i was interested in was the similarity of the babylonian ishtar/nimrod/tammuz and the earlier egyptain isis/osiris/horus.

egyptain format is isis and osiris equals horus, who fights against set.

in sumerian we get Semiramis and Nimrod equals tammuz.

this trinity is in vedic scripture aswell.

thus egyptain religion is in my view the possible forerunner of post flood/deluge sumerian/babylonian religion, (the jews were captive in babylon, eg the babylonian talmud etc).

thus what i want is to create a simple timeline of religions. this will tell us the outline of earths history.


atlantis/lemuria = egypt/america's (aztecs, mayans, olmecs) and vedic ( rama), this is then followed by a biblical flood, then we get babylon/sumeria.

if any1 has links to a decent timeline of empires/religions, please post it for us.

well, contrary to what today's scientists claim, religion goes back to 10000 BC for sure. We are not sure if there are any societies before Atlantis and Mu.

Love&Peace

[michael christopher]

Pagan!

[orlibonurb]

Without reading,

pagan.

[ben87]

Easter= Ishtar-Astarte

Worship of pagan god.

Also Austar-Ausar(O-sir-is) ((Austrasia/Austria/Australia)) They love paying homage to Ausar/Osiris don't they.

[decode reality]

Not forgetting of course that Christianity is based upon "pagan" culture.

Pagan simply means 'countryside dweller' and there are too many stigmas attached to the term. It's become associated with bad or wrong.

[truth finder]

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=10400

Easter - Christian or Pagan?
2010 04 02

From: truthbeknown.com

Contrary to popular belief, Easter does not represent the "historical" crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In reality, the gospel tale reflects the annual "crossification" of the sun through the vernal equinox (Spring), at which time the sun is "resurrected," as the day begins to become longer than the night.

Rather than being a "Christian" holiday, Easter celebrations date back into remotest antiquity and are found around the world, as the blossoming of spring did not escape the notice of the ancients, who revered this life-renewing time of the year, when winter had passed and the sun was "born again." The "Pagan" Easter is also the Passover, and Jesus Christ represents not only the sun but also the Passover Lamb ritually sacrificed every year by a number of cultures, including the Egyptians, possibly as early as 4,000 years ago and continuing to this day in some places.

Easter is "Pessach" in Hebrew, "Pascha" in Greek, "Pachons" in Latin and "Pa-Khonsu" in Egyptian, "Khonsu" being an epithet for the sun god Horus. In Anglo-Saxon, Easter or Eostre is goddess of the dawn, corresponding to Ishtar, Astarte, Astoreth and Isis. The word "Easter" shares the same root with "east" and "eastern," the direction of the rising sun.

The principal Mexican solar festival was held at the vernal equinox, i.e., Easter, when sacrifices were made to sustain the sun. In India, the vernal equinox festival is called "Holi" and is especially sacred to the god Krishna. The Syrian sun and fertility god Attis was annually hung on a tree, dying and rising on March 24th and 25th, an "Easter celebration" that occurred at Rome as well. The March dates were later applied to the Passion and Resurrection of Christ: "Thus," says Sir Frazer, "the tradition which placed the death of Christ on the twenty-fifth of March was ancient and deeply rooted. It is all the more remarkable because astronomical considerations prove that it can have had no historical foundation…." This "coincidence" between the deaths and resurrections of Christ and the older Attis was not lost on early Christians, whom it distressed and caused to use the "devil got there first" excuse for the motif´s presence in pre-Christian paganism.

The rites of the "crucified Adonis," another dying and rising savior god, were also celebrated in Syria at Easter time. As Frazer states:

"When we reflect how often the Church has skillfully contrived to plant the seeds of the new faith on the old stock of paganism, we may surmise that the Easter celebration of the dead and risen Christ was grafted upon a similar celebration of the dead and risen Adonis, which, as we have seen reason to believe, was celebrated in Syria at the same season."

The salvific death and resurrection at Easter of the god, the initiation as remover of sin, and the notion of becoming "born again," are all ages-old Pagan motifs or mysteries rehashed in the later Christianity. The all-important death-and-resurrection motif is exemplified in the "Parisian magical papyrus," a Pagan text ostensibly unaffected by Christianity:

"Lord, being born again I perish in that I am being exalted, and having been exalted I die; from a life-giving birth being born into death I was thus freed and go the way which Thou has founded, as Thou hast ordained and hast made the mystery."

In the gospel tale, there are two dates for the crucifixion: the 14th and the 15th of the month of Nisan, and within Christianity the date for Easter was debated for centuries. There continue to be two dates for Easter: the Western Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, thus demonstrating that this holiday is not the historical date of the actual crucifixion of a particular man. The dates are, in fact, astronomical, astrological and astrotheological.

In explaining this roving date, one "distinguished churchman," as Catholic Church historian Eusebius called him, Anatolius, revealed the meaning of Easter and of Christ, as well as the fact that astrology was a known and respected science used in Christianity. Said Anatolius:

"On this day [March 22] the sun is found not only to have reached the first sign of the Zodiac, but to be already passing through the fourth day within it. This sign is generally known as the first of the twelve, the equinoctial sign, the beginning of months, head of the cycle, and start of the planetary course.... Aristobolus adds that it is necessary at the Passover Festival that not only the sun but the moon as well should be passing through an equinoctial sign. There are two of these signs, one in spring, one in autumn, diametrically opposed to each other...."

In establishing the "Paschal festival," Church father Anatolius thus based his calculations on the positions of the sun and moon during the vernal equinox.

The need to time the Easter celebration - or resurrection - to coincide with the vernal equinox demonstrates that "Christ" is not an historical personage but the sun. This fact of Easter being the resurrection of the Sun has been well known for centuries, just as "the Savior´s" birth at the winter solstice has been recognized as another solar motif. Another obvious clue as to Christ´s nature is the fact that the "Lord´s Day" is Sunday.

Concerning Easter, in his "Letter I. for 329" Bishop of Alexandria Athanasius (c. 293-373) remarks, "Again, ´the Sun of Righteousness,´ causing His divine beams to rise upon us, proclaims beforehand the time of the feast, in which, obeying Him, we ought to celebrate it…" Christ is thus the Sun of Righteousness, with "divine beams."

The Easter calculations were recomputed in the seventh century by the Christian author(s) of the Paschal Chronicle or Alexandria Chronicle, which seeks to establish a Christian chronology from "creation" to the year 628. The Paschal Chronicle determines the proper date for Easter as March 21st and the date of Christ´s resurrection as March 25th (or, midnight, March 24, three days after the beginning of the equinox). In his various calculations, the Chronicle author discusses solar and lunar cycles, including the 19-year lunar cycle, by which he reckons the crucifixion and resurrection, concluding: "This is consistent with the prior determinations of reputable men in the calculation of the heavenly bodies." To wit, Christ´s death and resurrection are based on astrotheology.

The Chronicle author further confirms that Christianity is a continuation of the ancient "Pagan" astrotheological religion when he states that the "Annunciation of our Lady," i.e., the conception of Christ by the Virgin Mary, likewise occurred on March 25th, the vernal equinox, exactly nine months prior to the December 25th birthdate, the annual rebirth of the sun.

TruthBeKnown.com

StellarHousePublishing.com

For more on the Pagan Roots of Easter, see: here

Acharya S is a scholar classically educated in archaeology, history, mythology and languages. Acharya specializes in religion and mythology, critiquing and comparing them, and providing unique insights into their origins. Although born into a Christian (Congregationalist Protestant) family, Acharya does not subscribe to any particular religion, nor is she a hardcore "atheist."

Acharya is the author of the controversial books "The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold"; "Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled"; "Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ"; and "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection." Among other less flattering things, Acharya S has been called "the ranking religious philosopher of our era" and "the voice of reason amidst global chaos." Her web site contains a wealth of information about: religion spirituality mythology archaeology history astrotheology archaeoastronomy ...



i'm christian, but i believe easter is a pagan rite....for the fertelity goddes ester.....i my self partake in pass over this time of the year

[marpat]

Christianity has nothing of any real originiality so why should it be a shock that they celebrate the same days as pagans. It is said that jesus was an essene, that he studied Buddhism and Hinduism so in effect there is nothing original, just a new spin on already existing ideas.

[marpat]

Easter= Ishtar-Astarte

Worship of pagan god.

Also Austar-Ausar(O-sir-is) ((Austrasia/Austria/Australia)) They love paying homage to Ausar/Osiris don't they.

So similarity of names means common identity? what about general Dwight David 'Ike' Eisenhower and his namesake David Icke, is Icke connected to the general?

[truth finder]

So similarity of names means common identity? what about general Dwight David 'Ike' Eisenhower and his namesake David Icke, is Icke connected to the general?

but did u relise ester spirit animal was a rabbit?

[1964]

Not forgetting of course that Christianity is based upon "pagan" culture.

Pagan simply means 'countryside dweller' and there are too many stigmas attached to the term. It's become associated with bad or wrong.

Roman Catholicism is based on Roman paganism - not the Christian faith. And the Roman Catholic church was identified as a spiritual whore and an imposter more than 2,000 years ago - by Jesus Christ, in the Book of Revelation.

Even if you want to take a purely intellectual, non-religious approach, there's no way to conduct an honest comparison of the Christian faith, versus Roman Catholicism, and come away still believing these are one and the same. As soon as someone makes this assumption, I know I can be positive about 1 of 3 things:

1) The person has no real knowledge of Roman Catholicism;
2) The person has no real knowledge of the Word of God, which is the Holy Bible;
3) The person has no real knowledge of either 1 or 2.

It would be no different if you claimed to understand car mechanics, and then started quoting to me from a cook book regarding how to change my spark plugs.

[1964]

So similarity of names means common identity? what about general Dwight David 'Ike' Eisenhower and his namesake David Icke, is Icke connected to the general?

You're confusing the issues. On the one hand, you're talking about people having been honestly named after someone else; on the other hand, you're talking about the dishonest disguise of a pagan 'holy-day' to have it appear Christian. If your name is John because that's the name your parents gave you, then fine. But if you go around calling yourself "John" because you're trying to falsely pose as someone else, as your means of causing harm, then that's obviously not fine anymore.

[manxboz]

It's a pagan festival stolen by the 'Christian' faith. I mean how can Yeshua's date of death change every year???

[the perfect one]

Roman Catholicism is based on Roman paganism - not the Christian faith. And the Roman Catholic church was identified as a spiritual whore and an imposter more than 2,000 years ago - by Jesus Christ, in the Book of Revelation.

Even if you want to take a purely intellectual, non-religious approach, there's no way to conduct an honest comparison of the Christian faith, versus Roman Catholicism, and come away still believing these are one and the same. As soon as someone makes this assumption, I know I can be positive about 1 of 3 things:

1) The person has no real knowledge of Roman Catholicism;
2) The person has no real knowledge of the Word of God, which is the Holy Bible;
3) The person has no real knowledge of either 1 or 2.

It would be no different if you claimed to understand car mechanics, and then started quoting to me from a cook book regarding how to change my spark plugs.

You are so intelligent. I could listen to you all day long. This man knows his stuff.:)

[the perfect one]

You're confusing the issues. On the one hand, you're talking about people having been honestly named after someone else; on the other hand, you're talking about the dishonest disguise of a pagan 'holy-day' to have it appear Christian. If your name is John because that's the name your parents gave you, then fine. But if you go around calling yourself "John" because you're trying to falsely pose as someone else, as your means of causing harm, then that's obviously not fine anymore.


You just made perfect sense to me ,once again. :cool:

[decode reality]

Roman Catholicism is based on Roman paganism - not the Christian faith. And the Roman Catholic church was identified as a spiritual whore and an imposter more than 2,000 years ago - by Jesus Christ, in the Book of Revelation.

Even if you want to take a purely intellectual, non-religious approach, there's no way to conduct an honest comparison of the Christian faith, versus Roman Catholicism, and come away still believing these are one and the same. As soon as someone makes this assumption, I know I can be positive about 1 of 3 things:

1) The person has no real knowledge of Roman Catholicism;
2) The person has no real knowledge of the Word of God, which is the Holy Bible;
3) The person has no real knowledge of either 1 or 2.

It would be no different if you claimed to understand car mechanics, and then started quoting to me from a cook book regarding how to change my spark plugs.

The Roman church simply adopted Christianity for its own ends. Christianity is based upon so-called pagan beliefs, as is Islam. This is history. But for the most part, a lot of their followers are conditioned to get into such a tiz over the word 'pagan' and over it - and over anyone who shows that they AREN'T original. They are in deep denial, which isn't a great quality for a belief system that is believed to be standing for "truth". The 'best' they can do is say that 'Satan knows how to assume the forms of God'.

[loveisthelaw]

Celebration of fertility.

[orlibonurb]

The Roman church simply adopted Christianity for its own ends. Christianity is based upon so-called pagan beliefs, as is Islam. This is history. But for the most part, a lot of their followers are conditioned to get into such a tiz over the word 'pagan' and over it - and over anyone who shows that they AREN'T original. They are in deep denial, which isn't a great quality for a belief system that is believed to be standing for "truth". The 'best' they can do is say that 'Satan knows how to assume the forms of God'.

You mean Roman Catholicism is based on pagan beliefs, and that is correct. Roman Catholicism, like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and so on and so forth is nothing but ancient Mystery Babylon religion repackaged.

CHRISTianity stands for the death & resurrection of Jesus (God in human flesh) and the Bible alone (Sola Scriptura). Nothing else. When you read the Word of God, you see paganism / idolatry being condemned left and right. This is another reason why the satanic Roman Catholic church abolished the second commandment ............ to make way for all it's idolatry of the "Queen of Heaven" known as Mary (who is actually the Babylonian Semiramis), and all their "saints", statues and idols.

[decode reality]

You mean Roman Catholicism is based on pagan beliefs, and that is correct. Roman Catholicism, like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and so on and so forth is nothing but ancient Mystery Babylon religion repackaged.

CHRISTianity stands for the death & resurrection of Jesus (God in human flesh) and the Bible alone (Sola Scriptura). Nothing else. When you read the Word of God, you see paganism / idolatry being condemned left and right. This is another reason why the satanic Roman Catholic church abolished the second commandment ............ to make way for all it's idolatry of the "Queen of Heaven" known as Mary (who is actually the Babylonian Semiramis), and all their "saints", statues and idols.

Christianity is based upon so-called 'pagan' beliefs and I say that neither to pull down pagans nor Christians. Saying that, it's time that Christianity was dethroned because it's had a good run, and it's failed. All of the crucified saviour stories appeared LONG before Christianity.

[orlibonurb]

Where has Christianity failed ? Jesus (God in the flesh) died for you and all crimes you have commited and keep commiting on a daily basis and will commit in all your future life so you could / can have eternal life.

In the end you and everyone will face the God of Abraham, Jacob & Isaac lol ..... the same God who is about to judge the entire world once again (and for the last time actually)....... the same God who will come back and rule all nations with a rod of iron lol ........ the same God who gave you hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of prophecies declaring the end from the beggining, but that is not enough.

God is patient so you don't perish and go to hell, but so you can obtain salvation. Christianity will last for eternity, for the true and living God is the God of Abraham, Jacob & Isaac lol .....

Jesus has nothing to do with paganism. This world has been brainwashed to it's very core, it's not even funny.

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man ..............


edit: in fact, I will go further ... after the rapture of the Church of Jesus Christ out of this damnable global system, Christianity will EXPLODE ! lol .... the great thing about the, now - imminent - rapture, is that it will the biggest evangelical piece of work for you guys who will be left behind. Only true born-again Christians will be gone (those who were saved), fake ones will stay along with the rest of the world, be it "Muslims", "atheists", "Hindus", whatever ....... there are three groups of people in the world, they are Gentiles, Jews and the ones who belong to the (spiritual) Church of Jesus Christ. You belong to one of these 3 only ....

I'd suggest you to study Bible prophecy, this subject alone anihilates anything else ........ but better than Bible prophecy, I'd suggest you to, in all honesty, ask God to reveal Himself to you (ie. in a dream) .... ask Him who He is .......


Romans {3:10} As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: {3:11} There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. {3:12} They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Psalms {14:1} The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good. {14:2} The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, [and] seek God. {14:3} They are all gone aside, they are [all] together become filthy: [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.

[decode reality]

Where has Christianity failed ?

Where do you want to start (and where do we stop?!)


Jesus (God in the flesh) died for you and all crimes you have commited and keep commiting on a daily basis and will commit in all your future life so you could / can have eternal life.

Well, he was a mug and a pointless martyr. And I don't believe that story anyway

In the end you and everyone will face the God of Abraham, Jacob & Isaac lol ..... the same God who is about to judge the entire world

There's no evidence that 'Abraham' ever existed. It was nicked from the metaphors of the Hindu Brahma

once again (and for the last time actually)....... the same God who will come back and rule all nations with a rod of iron lol ........ the same God who gave you hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of prophecies declaring the end from the beggining, but that is not enough.

God is patient so you don't perish and go to hell, but so you can obtain salvation. Christianity will last for eternity, for the true and living God is the God of Abraham, Jacob & Isaac lol .....

Heaven and hell are states of mind.

Jesus has nothing to do with paganism. This world has been brainwashed to it's very core, it's not even funny.

Christianity is based upon so-called paganism.

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man

..............


edit: in fact, I will go further ... after the rapture of the Church of Jesus Christ out of this damnable global system, Christianity will EXPLODE ! lol .... the great thing about the, now - imminent - rapture, is that it will the biggest evangelical piece of work for you guys who will be left behind. Only true born-again Christians will be gone (those who were saved), fake ones will stay along with the rest of the world, be it "Muslims", "atheists", "Hindus", whatever ....... there are three groups of people in the world, they are Gentiles, Jews and the ones who belong to the (spiritual) Church of Jesus Christ. You belong to one of these 3 only ....

I've responded to your messages above. That's all from me.

[orlibonurb]

Yes, so what lol .....

Are you scared of asking Him to reveal Himself to you ?! You don't need to answer this one thou, God Himself says it all about you, me and everyone else.


Romans {3:10} As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: {3:11} There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. {3:12} They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Psalms {14:1} The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good. {14:2} The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, [and] seek God. {14:3} They are all gone aside, they are [all] together become filthy: [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.


Or you can always ignore and come with the most absurd statements such as the one you did, in fact, say above.

Christianity is based upon so-called 'pagan' beliefs

lol.... fact of the matter is, you won't ask Him to reveal Himself to you, perhaps you're scared He will make it perfectly clear to you who He is lol ... which will consequently bring responsability, and responsability is something man does not want to have anything to do with ..... you may think the world is a playground, but it is an open war for the soul of every man and woman.

[decode reality]

Yes, so what lol .....

Are you scared of asking Him to reveal Himself to you ?! You don't need to answer this one thou, God Himself says it all about you, me and everyone else.

Who's this 'Him'?


Romans {3:10} As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: {3:11} There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. {3:12} They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Psalms {14:1} The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good. {14:2} The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, [and] seek God. {14:3} They are all gone aside, they are [all] together become filthy: [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.

Knock it off with the quotes, mate. I know there's been a lot of biblical epics on the box this past week but no need start quoting all this gobbldeygook. :rolleyes: Speak with your OWN words.


Or you can always ignore and come with the most absurd statements such as the one you did, in fact, say above.



lol.... fact of the matter is, you won't ask Him to reveal Himself to you, perhaps you're scared He will make it perfectly clear to you who He is lol ...

Watch a lot of PEANUTS, do you? This came to mind: :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiSIQzwIPzQ


which will consequently bring responsability, and responsability is something man does not want to have anything to do with ..... you may think the world is a playground, but it is an open war for the soul of every man and woman.

Thanks for telling me. I'd never have known. Where d'you get your info?



One last time, right? (see above)

[ben87]

The rubbish you spout is identical to the rubbish spouted by catholics orli.

All this Jesus this, mohammed that is what they want, they have brought their emperor forward and you now sit at his asshole ingesting all his foulness.

[1964]

Christianity is based upon so-called 'pagan' beliefs and I say that neither to pull down pagans nor Christians. Saying that, it's time that Christianity was dethroned because it's had a good run, and it's failed. All of the crucified saviour stories appeared LONG before Christianity.

Serious question. How, exactly, do you believe you're able to determine any of this without first being able to recognize the difference between true and false Christianity?

[decode reality]

Serious question. How, exactly, do you believe you're able to determine any of this without first being able to recognize the difference between true and false Christianity?

Simply by studying history.

The various denominations of Christianity, like the various branches of Islam, share one thing in common. They are resolute in denouncing anything that preceded it as 'the devil', 'false', 'disinformation' etc etc. They may vary in degree, but this is their common denominator, be they catholic, protestant, c of e, 7th day, JWs etc etc.

Yet some Christians can accept this without those kinds of extreme/irrational responses. Unfortunately, they aren't the ones who carry the most influence.

[thereisonlywe]

Simply by studying history.

The various denominations of Christianity, like the various branches of Islam, share one thing in common. They are resolute in denouncing anything that preceded it as 'the devil', 'false', 'disinformation' etc etc. They may vary in degree, but this is their common denominator, be they catholic, protestant, c of e, 7th day, JWs etc etc.

Yet some Christians can accept this without those kinds of extreme/irrational responses. Unfortunately, they aren't the ones who carry the most influence.

y, agreed on the common denominator thing. Although there would be not much that is left, it should put one on the track.

Love&Peace

[humito]

BOTH! christianity and paganism are both luciferic, as are all religions...ALL sun worship.....................ALL conjoured up by the luciferic egregore so we can worship it.............time and space and spirit and light and god and everything in this illusory 3d realm are illusions created by the luciferic egregore.............

[thereisonlywe]

BOTH! christianity and paganism are both luciferic, as are all religions...ALL sun worship.....................ALL conjoured up by the luciferic egregore so we can worship it.............time and space and spirit and light and god and everything in this illusory 3d realm are illusions created by the luciferic egregore.............

looks like you have visited a good brain-washing facility.

If Quran claims Sun worship is stupid, how can Islam be taken as Sun worship?

Love&Peace

[1964]

Simply by studying history.

The various denominations of Christianity, like the various branches of Islam, share one thing in common. They are resolute in denouncing anything that preceded it as 'the devil', 'false', 'disinformation' etc etc. They may vary in degree, but this is their common denominator, be they catholic, protestant, c of e, 7th day, JWs etc etc.

Yet some Christians can accept this without those kinds of extreme/irrational responses. Unfortunately, they aren't the ones who carry the most influence.

The World Council of Churches is a front organization for the Roman Catholic church, and a leader in the global Ecumenical Movement. The Ecumenical Movement is one and the same with the Interfaith and Co-Exist campaigns. It is a global movement to amass all the world's religions under the Roman Vatican - including Rome's Protestant daughters; Islam; Judaism; Toaism; new-age spiritism; etc etc etc.

To give you an idea of what you're up against, I copied and pasted the members' list of the WCC below - of the Protestant churches that have already signed up as members of the Ecumenical Movement. The Eastern Orthodox churches alone have a global membership of 300 million people. Catholicism and Protestantism, combined, make up for approx 33% of the world's total population. These are doctors, lawyers, judges, law-enforcement personnel, politicans (etc) - people who have authority, in this world, to make decisions regarding your every-day life. And this list is still not a complete list - I didn't list the global Ecumenical bodies which are also members of the WCC. And I haven't listed all of the non-Christian religions that are also becoming members of the Ecumenical Movement.

You strike me as someone who refuses to deal in facts. You seem to have this idea of how you think things should be, and that's all you're willing to believe. You poo-poo everything that you don't believe in, and because of your attitude, it has completely escaped you that Rome already owns you. It has completely escaped you that you and I are up against the same beast.

There's something else these organizations all have in common, which has also eluded you and that you've also underestimated: They all teach and adhere to their own peverted versions of the Holy Bible, which is the Word of God. You have more in common with these people than you realize, for the simple reason that you refuse to realize it.

As to the devil, he was in the Garden of Eden at the very beginning. He has been observing mankind for thousands of years, and he knows very well how to manipulate you. You've been thoroughly deceived, and self-deceived. Thing is, you're without an excuse. Jesus Christ warned us against all of this, plus so much more, so that the only possible way you could have been deceived is because you rejected Christ to begin with, and you ignored the Word of God.

Believe whatever you want to believe, but it's to your own peril that you ignore the facts. The Antichrist isn't concerned with how you think things should be in the world, and your personal ideas have done nothing to halt his plans for a one-world government; a one-world religion; and a New World Order.

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Welcome to your New World Order - you helped build it!

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp85/zlingshot/coexist1.jpg?t=1271178512

[orlibonurb]

Ah yes, "coexist", what blatant push for the coming one world religion.

http://www.derok.net/derok/images/u2/bono%20coexist.jpg

Keep your eyes wide shut for this agenda.


This song is an example of this blatant satanic agenda,

Funeral de michael jackson We are the world
Funeral de michael jackson We are the world - YouTube

[tannah]

Ah yes, "coexist", what blatant push for the coming one world religion.

http://www.derok.net/derok/images/u2/bono%20coexist.jpg

Keep your eyes wide shut for this agenda.


This song is an example of this blatant satanic agenda,

Funeral de michael jackson We are the world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0kA683JiAQ

hey don't forget to post the evil lyrics too, you pathetic excuse for a horned beast.:)


There comes a time
When we head a certain call
When the world must come together as one
There are people dying
And it's time to lend a hand to life
The greatest gift of all

We can't go on
Pretending day by day
That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
We are all a part of
God's great big family
And the truth, you know love is all we need

[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

Send them your heart
So they'll know that someone cares
And their lives will be stronger and free
As God has shown us by turning stone to bread
So we all must lend a helping hand

[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

When you're down and out
There seems no hope at all
But if you just believe
There's no way we can fall
Well, well, well, well, let us realize
That a change will only come
When we stand together as one

[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

[tannah]

Here's you "Satanic agenda" Orlites, scaring people so you can keep the dark visions that control energized:


A Letter from Hell - YouTube

[humito]

looks like you have visited a good brain-washing facility.

If Quran claims Sun worship is stupid, how can Islam be taken as Sun worship?

Love&Peace

HA .me brainwashed..........cheeky SOD, EVERYTHING is the product of the luciferic egregore group of thinkers.......ALLAH A LIE more like..............you are the one trapped in the good/bad allah/devil light/dark duality............and if you believe in a supriem being than you worship lucifer and THE SUN..the book you take as sacred may say dont worship the sun ........but the religion does!!!!!!.........everything ,as previously stated is conjoured by this group of thinkers .......words and language are subliminal sigil magic to keep us in the trance state.take ALLAH A is a pyramid with a capstone H is a subliminal I on its side (EYE) therfore ALLAH is all eye......ALL SEEING EYE ........all lies,just look at how Muslims have been duped into praying to Mecca five times a day. Praying daily to the same fixed position and direction, as the Earth rotates, inscribes the math of a pentagram-pentacle, hence a five-pointed star within a circle. The points of a five-pointed star (pentagram) touch the circle of a pentacle every 72 degrees. 72 is also redundantly associated with the precession of the sun, as measured at sunrise on the spring equinox. It takes 72 years for the receding position of the spring-equinox sunrise to move one degree on the horizon. Also, it moves five degrees every 360-year cycle. A full 360 degrees of procession takes 25,920 years, which is also seventy-two (72) 360-year cycles. So, the number 72, the math of the pentagram-pentacle and praying five times daily towards the same fixed-point on Earth is a triple allusion to the precession of the sun. In other words, the followers of Islam have been duped into participating in a magic ritual that daily inscribes the math of a pentagram/pentacle, which purposely alludes to the math of solar precession. Thereby, hidden illusions and allusions to the sun, whether worship or symbolism, are also deceptively encoded within Islam.

HAPPY SUN WORSHIP SHIT FOR BRAINS !!!! its people like you who are holding this lunatic illusion we call reality in place.............let it go ALLAH IS not real............lol

[humito]

Another important aspect of this insight is the orbit of Venus. When viewed from the Earth, it inscribes a near perfect five-pointed star (pentagram) around the sun every eight years. Also, pay close attention to the fact that Kabbalah uses 72 names of God. Likewise, many in Islam expect 72 virgins in heaven. The number 72 is closely tied to solar and precessional math, pentagrams, and the planet Venus. It is clear that this hidden astronomical math and geometry, encoded within the rituals of Islam, were created and imposed by the same people that transported Egyptian obelisks to Rome and elsewhere and set them up as solar symbols. Hence, Judeo-Christian mysticism is purposely encoded within the rituals of Islam, which are clearly someone's sick idea of a mass magic ritual. This is why Judeo-Christian leaders and the Vatican are symbolized as Mystery Babylon. Who do you think created a religion, custom-designed as a philosophical opponent to Judeo-Christians, that would also deceptively impose submission on those unruly dark-skinned Middle-easterners, just as Rome was losing control of that region?

Notice the parallels to the creation and structure of Freemasonry here? From my research and conclusions, Freemasonry looks far too much like another Vatican deception designed to reign in another real threat to Rome’s Judeo-Christian deception and other cash-cows. In other words, Freemasonry appears like a well-designed effort to prevent another Templar-problem from arising. One of Christian Rome’s greatest fears is that people will finally grasp the truth about the symbology of the Bible, thereby understanding the true extent and nature of the long-term Judeo-Christian-Islamic deception. Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, and related western mystery schools are perfectly structured to lure in any that would have an interest in symbolism and the mysteries. Because they are heavily Christianized and revolve around Judeo-Christian and Kabbalistic interpretations, those who seek enlightenment through them are mired and indoctrinated by systems that are guaranteed to protect the Bible from exposure of its deceptions. Why do you think Freemasonry calls the Bible a sacred volume and a “light.” Contemplate Machiavelli...

Since a pillar symbolizes a primary principle, it is clear to see that the obelisks found in Rome, London, and Washington D.C., (and other locales) do not represent wisdom. They in fact represent a three-pronged grand deception that forms another symbol of deception, the triangle (among others...). As our world descends deeper into financial debacle, religious conflicts, and other calamities, even the most clueless should now understand that these cities and the deceptions they represent are not sources of wisdom, truth, or justice. Great deceptions have been imposed upon the world by those who have used the pretense of high-ideals to dupe billions onto the wrong paths. Money, religion/mysticism, and politics have been used to lure and dupe billions into supporting blatant evil, while thinking they were doing good. Only truth, wisdom, and justice will finally fix this situation.

[elirien]

HA .me brainwashed..........cheeky SOD, EVERYTHING is the product of the luciferic egregore group of thinkers.......ALLAH A LIE more like..............you are the one trapped in the good/bad allah/devil light/dark duality............and if you believe in a supriem being than you worship lucifer and THE SUN..the book you take as sacred may say dont worship the sun ........but the religion does!!!!!!.........everything ,as previously stated is conjoured by this group of thinkers .......words and language are subliminal sigil magic to keep us in the trance state.take ALLAH A is a pyramid with a capstone H is a subliminal I on its side (EYE) therfore ALLAH is all eye......ALL SEEING EYE ........

Since when is Allah written in Latin script?

Let's say what you have written about sun worship is right, what is sun worhsip? What do you believe happens when people channel energy from the sun?

[ben87]

It is the sacrifice that is the problem with sun worship.

sol-dier(solar sacrifice) =Sol (Daes) - Dier (Dies),
Zeus Perseus
Mazda Zoroaster
Yahweh Yeshua

[humito]

It is the sacrifice that is the problem with sun worship.

sol-dier(solar sacrifice) =Sol (Daes) - Dier (Dies),
Zeus Perseus
Mazda Zoroaster
Yahweh Yeshua

yes its the water sacrifice..............and its comming big time...........this is what happens when people are duped into religion or science.......this is "channeling" sun energy and its worship...........everything........even god is a subliminal deception ,created by the luciferic egregore........time and space and what we call humanity are illusions ,we are in thrall of the universe it created and trapped by subliminal suggestion in this 3d realm and tricked into creating new illusions through sex magick........ISRAEL is the centre of the subliminal suggestion....IS......isis........RA......sun deity..........EL........lord.................it wants to sacrifice most of us (see georgia guidestones) ........this will give it the power to enslave the remainder humanity.........

[humito]

Since when is Allah written in Latin script?

Let's say what you have written about sun worship is right, what is sun worhsip? What do you believe happens when people channel energy from the sun?

latin script.........? the luciferic egregore invented everything including all language.............english happens to be its best form for subliminal suggestion .......vowels are interchangeable in hebrew so are g and y sounds etc...............its all in how it sounds......or even reversed.........every trick is used............be aware ..stop believing in duality,see everything as illusion.....its the only way to avert disaster. IMO :)

[elirien]

IMO :)
At last some honesty here :D Thank you.

Why do you worship Lucifer that much?
He didn't create all of this you know.

time and space and what we call humanity are illusions ,we are in thrall of the universe it created and trapped by subliminal suggestion in this 3d realm and tricked into creating new illusions through sex magick........

That's quite right, but besides "them" who repeats and believes in the suggestions?