WiFi and MK-Ultra

[dunadan]

With the roll out of - enforced - WiFi by Local Authroities (LGA's) in the UK and Mr. Brown's wish that all should have free - WiFi - access to the Internet (within the UK), is it possible that such a system - along with the mobile 'phone network - could also be used for subversive mind control? Soon, so it seems, we will not be able to get away from this technology.

Then there are the health and safety considerations, and the lack of appropriate testing for such technologies (within the UK).

I have also noted within the UK that in times of strife/crisis, that the 'MK Machine' seems to get switched on (via the mobile 'phone network etc.?). There are a general and widespread changes - at such times - in people's moods e.g. lack of direct action and apathy (unlike in the past) are just some of the symptoms. The over use of certain key words are also very apparent and are over-used by normals/sheepeople (that doesnt mean that I am immune or that I am 'holier than thou') time and time again, almost like buzz words - and out of context. Then such phrases seem to stop (as abruptly as they started) or dry up and then are only used in their normal context/way.

Any thoughts or observations welcomed..........

[lookfar]

IMO that's defo a possibility & one I've considered before. I've also noticed the amount of interactive advertisement screens that are popping up all over the place & have wondered about these too. It's becoming more & more like 1984 (& worse!) every day!:eek::(

[deca]

yep its right fucking mess one big experiment for these fuckers


yeah op is probadly right....if not worse

[cluas]

Possible ???

It's going on right now, in your face, can't you FEEL it ????

:eek:

[deca]

basically they are wired in and controlling the networks ,media etc...

any form of manipulation at there finger tips, plus other forms of influence manipulation i.e microwave frequency ....

the so called given norm is such a sick joke these days

[wakeuptime]

I've read that WiFi emits as much radiation as microwaves so they're already throwing health risks our way (no coincidence of course).

Are they controlling minds thru them too? Probably.

In the US they've decided every school child should have a "free" Wifi computer. Serves the dual purpose of keeping an eye on the kids and possible mk techniques.

As Icke has said, they'll throw everything at us as they attempt to keep control. Won't work tho.....;)

[gallifrey]

Well, that would only work with people who have a imited knowledge of computer systems. Every piece of computer hardware is controlled by a piece of software, either in the form of drivers, or embedded firmware, or both. As such, the hardware will only do as it is told by this software, and that is easily changeable. You control the computer. It does as you want.

Suspicions about the driver? Use an open source one. Not happy with the firmware? Flash it with another version.

A computer does as it is told by the user, and if you are unhappy with, or suspicious of, any aspects of its behaviour and/or application, just change that.

[energi]

I remember how awesome Fon, or La Fonera, sounded when it came out about 2 years ago. It never took off at full speed, and now they changed stuff for the worse to attract customers.

The idea is fucking awesome though in my opinion - imagine if everyone stopped being paranoid, the governments did not act like cunts or spy on everyone and Internet access would simply be determined by how many people choose to pursue it.

No forced internet, or non-internet.

Of course, all the kids growing up now with unlimited access to Facebook, Youtube and so forth will be dependant on it, giving TPTW power to manipulate them.

Furthermore, don't we spread MK Ultra when posting music videos on this forum? ;)

[oneup]

With the roll out of - enforced - WiFi by Local Authroities (LGA's) in the UK and Mr. Brown's wish that all should have free - WiFi - access to the Internet (within the UK), is it possible that such a system - along with the mobile 'phone network - could also be used for subversive mind control?

No. Anyone with knowledge of WiFi technology will laugh at the idea.
Whatever RF frequencies are being transmitted, it can't be controlled remotely by some shady government agency. And remember that whatever the device transmits, can be detected. If some geek finds his WiFi router transmitting strange mind-control signals, they're screwed.

[stopthemadness]

With the roll out of - enforced - WiFi by Local Authroities (LGA's) in the UK and Mr. Brown's wish that all should have free - WiFi - access to the Internet (within the UK), is it possible that such a system - along with the mobile 'phone network - could also be used for subversive mind control? Soon, so it seems, we will not be able to get away from this technology.

Then there are the health and safety considerations, and the lack of appropriate testing for such technologies (within the UK).

I have also noted within the UK that in times of strife/crisis, that the 'MK Machine' seems to get switched on (via the mobile 'phone network etc.?). There are a general and widespread changes - at such times - in people's moods e.g. lack of direct action and apathy (unlike in the past) are just some of the symptoms. The over use of certain key words are also very apparent and are over-used by normals/sheepeople (that doesnt mean that I am immune or that I am 'holier than thou') time and time again, almost like buzz words - and out of context. Then such phrases seem to stop (as abruptly as they started) or dry up and then are only used in their normal context/way.

Any thoughts or observations welcomed..........

WiFi & cell phone networks work around 2.4 GHz. Do you know what else resonates at 2.4 GHz? Go to your kitchen, turn your microwave around, and read the frequency it operates at.

Coincidence?

For the non-scientific. Water, which most of our body including our brain is made of, will resonate at the microwave frequency of 2.4 GHz.

Of all the frequencies to pick, I must say that I find it unusual they chose the very frequency that "microwaves" people's brains.

[dunadan]

IMO that's defo a possibility & one I've considered before. I've also noticed the amount of interactive advertisement screens that are popping up all over the place & have wondered about these too. It's becoming more & more like 1984 (& worse!) every day!:eek::(

+1:eek::eek:

[dunadan]

yep its right fucking mess one big experiment for these fuckers


yeah op is probadly right....if not worse

You are so right.

The tests for the Health and Safety/Risk Assessments etc, are laughable, no one yet knows the long term effects of this technology - I hope that it doesnt turn out to ne another asbestos or Bikini Island etc...

Let alone the MK side of it:eek:

[dunadan]

Possible ???

It's going on right now, in your face, can't you FEEL it ????

:eek:

Yes I can and I can see how it is effecting others.

[dunadan]

I've read that WiFi emits as much radiation as microwaves so they're already throwing health risks our way (no coincidence of course).

Are they controlling minds thru them too? Probably.

In the US they've decided every school child should have a "free" Wifi computer. Serves the dual purpose of keeping an eye on the kids and possible mk techniques.

As Icke has said, they'll throw everything at us as they attempt to keep control. Won't work tho.....;)

Yes, the Beast knows that his time is running short!

More enlightened countries have set lower limits for this technology and have provided better protection!

[dunadan]

Well, that would only work with people who have a imited knowledge of computer systems. Every piece of computer hardware is controlled by a piece of software, either in the form of drivers, or embedded firmware, or both. As such, the hardware will only do as it is told by this software, and that is easily changeable. You control the computer. It does as you want.

Suspicions about the driver? Use an open source one. Not happy with the firmware? Flash it with another version.

A computer does as it is told by the user, and if you are unhappy with, or suspicious of, any aspects of its behaviour and/or application, just change that.

I dont know it we are taling at cross puposes?:confused:

My concerns are about the widespread introduction of 'Nodes' on lamp posts etc. providing blanket cover and thus increased coverage and risk

[dunadan]

No. Anyone with knowledge of WiFi technology will laugh at the idea.
Whatever RF frequencies are being transmitted, it can't be controlled remotely by some shady government agency. And remember that whatever the device transmits, can be detected. If some geek finds his WiFi router transmitting strange mind-control signals, they're screwed.

I am not all that techy, so I would have to take your word for it, yet I still have my doubts. I have seen, first hand, how these roll outs are being organised and believe me, from a business point of view, there are plenty of funny handshakes being made:eek:

[dunadan]

WiFi & cell phone networks work around 2.4 GHz. Do you know what else resonates at 2.4 GHz? Go to your kitchen, turn your microwave around, and read the frequency it operates at.

Coincidence?

For the non-scientific. Water, which most of our body including our brain is made of, will resonate at the microwave frequency of 2.4 GHz.

Of all the frequencies to pick, I must say that I find it unusual they chose the very frequency that "microwaves" people's brains.

I have heard similar.

The basic test for Wi Fi 'Nodes' is - for the industry/european H&S approval - is to stand a bottle of water in front of one and see if it boils! Whilst, as you say, we are made up of lots of fluids, a bottle of water does not accuratly represent the human body:eek:

Doesnt the universe resonate at 2.4 GHz?

[dunadan]

Apologies for posting so many individual Posts/comments/replies, just so much interesting info. in all of your replies!

Thanks for all of your input guys - please keep it coming:)

[stopthemadness]

Doesnt the universe resonate at 2.4 GHz?

You are thinking of fluctuations of the cosmic background microwave. We are talking about extremely faint signals that have to be measured with multimillion dollar equipment outside of Earth's atmosphere. This is supposedly evidence of the Big Bang.

2.4 GHz is what microwave ovens use. And it happens to be the frequency that cell phones use. Personally, I don't think that is a coincidence.

20 years will probably see some unusual illnesses springing up as a result of this. NWO depopulation is my guess. Although MKUltra is a possibility.

[dunadan]

You are thinking of fluctuations of the cosmic background microwave. We are talking about extremely faint signals that have to be measured with multimillion dollar equipment outside of Earth's atmosphere. This is supposedly evidence of the Big Bang.

2.4 GHz is what microwave ovens use. And it happens to be the frequency that cell phones use. Personally, I don't think that is a coincidence.

20 years will probably see some unusual illnesses springing up as a result of this. NWO depopulation is my guess. Although MKUltra is a possibility.

Thanks once again!

2.4 GHz is also being used in hobbies for Radio Control (model cars, boats engines etc.),as I said not being tecky minded - in this subject - I dont know if such will have an effect. Put it this way, those that I have seen using such equipment, rest such on their bellies or gonads:eek:

This kit is quite advanced - and coming down in price - and constantly scans for matching yet alternative frequencies so as to control the model, thus avoiding interference/'glitching etc.......

[oneup]

WiFi & cell phone networks work around 2.4 GHz. Do you know what else resonates at 2.4 GHz? Go to your kitchen, turn your microwave around, and read the frequency it operates at.

Coincidence?

For the non-scientific. Water, which most of our body including our brain is made of, will resonate at the microwave frequency of 2.4 GHz.

Of all the frequencies to pick, I must say that I find it unusual they chose the very frequency that "microwaves" people's brains.

Technically that is not mind control, it's constant, they can't push a button to bring about changes in you. But it's still an interesting question, why 2.4ghz? I've done some research, and I can't find some particular reason why that frequency was picked. It seems that I have found the answer though.. FCC regulations. That kinda sends chills down my spine. FCC stands for Federal Communications Commission. :eek:

[jakemaverick]

pretty much, yes!

[stopthemadness]

Technically that is not mind control, it's constant, they can't push a button to bring about changes in you. But it's still an interesting question, why 2.4ghz? I've done some research, and I can't find some particular reason why that frequency was picked. It seems that I have found the answer though.. FCC regulations. That kinda sends chills down my spine. FCC stands for Federal Communications Commission. :eek:

I wouldn't worry about the FCC. For the most part they do a good job. I would be more worried about black ops from the military or NSA or Homeland Security or CIA/Mossad (or whatever unnamed agencies exist outside of public knowledge). Trust me, the FCC is not reading this post right now. I'll guarantee you the others listed above ARE. ;)

[deca]

Researchers discover a way to see through walls using Wi-Fi

http://www.geekwithlaptop.com/researchers-discover-a-way-to-see-through-walls-using-wi-fi

Through-Wall Tracking With Wireless Networks (with description) - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifQkbMJ_sXM&feature=player_embedded
It seems that almost daily now we’re hearing about new technology that could have come directly out of the pages of a science fiction novel but which in fact are science fact. Yep, the future is definitely here.

The latest technology that fits this bill comes courtesy of researchers at the University of Utah, who have found a way to see through walls.

Apparently the technology can be used as part of a surveillance technique to detect movement inside a building and pinpoint the location, to within a metre no less, of a sniper or even hostages who may be trapped inside a building. Cool.

You’re bound to be wondering how it works? Well the technique the researchers have developed uses variance-based radio tomographic imaging.

If that’s a bit too technical sounding, it basically means that they have found a way to visually detect changes in radio waves behind walls.

The radio waves will vary when there is any movement allowing anyone observing the data to map their position.

Joey Wilson, an electrical engineering graduate student from the University of Utah and Neil Patwari, his faculty adviser, have been testing the technique using a 34 node wireless network on IEEE 802.15.4 wireless protocol says the MIT Technology Review.

Apparently they discovered that by “interrogating” the space behind the walls with signals and multiple receivers, sounds serious doesn’t it, they could detect a moving object to within a metre of accuracy.

In their paper which was recently submitted to Computer Science entitled” through wall tracking using variance based radio tomography networks” Wilson and Patwari present “a new method for imaging, localizing, and tracking motion behind walls in real time”.

“We show that the signal strength on a wireless link is largely dependent on the power contained in the multipath components that travel through space containing moving objects” say the researchers.

Using “a statistical model relating variance to spatial locations of movement” they can provide an “estimation of a motion image” and by applying the “Kalman filter” from the motion image they can track the coordinates of a moving target.

The technology could even be used to find out if there is anyone trapped in a building that might otherwise be too dangerous to enter but as always, there’s a down side, someone could use the technology to determine the whereabouts of security guards or to see if anyone is at home before carrying out a robbery.

But we can’t let that stand in the way of progress can we?

Clever stuff indeed!

[deca]

The BioInitiative Report - Biological Standards for Wireless
The BioInitiative Report - Biological Standards for Wireless - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tZDor-_co0


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4957488170564398165#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4957488170564398165#

The Organizing Committee thanks the participants of the BioIniative
Working Group for their integrity and intellectual courage in dealing
with this controversial and important topic; and for devoting the time
and energy to produce their chapters. The information and
conclusions in each chapter are the responsibilities of the authors of
that chapter.
The Group has produced what the authors hope will be a benchmark
for good science and public health policy planning. It documents
bioeffects, adverse health effects and public health conclusions about
impacts of non-ionizing radiation (electromagnetic fields including
extremely-low frequency ELF-EMF and radiofrequency/microwave
or RF-EMF fields).

http://www.next-up.org/pdf/BioInitiativeReportComplete.pdf

[deca]

as for the MK using wi fi I don`t think they use it directly but could use the emitted pulse microwaves and other from mobile phones mast to track you
Celldar
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/oct/13/humanrights.mobilephones

How mobile phones let spies see our every move

Government's secret Celldar project will allow surveillance of anyone, at any time and anywhere there is a phone signal

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Secret radar technology research that will allow the biggest-ever extension of 'Big Brother'-style surveillance in the UK is being funded by the Government.

The radical new system, which has outraged civil liberties groups, uses mobile phone masts to allow security authorities to watch vehicles and individuals 'in real time' almost anywhere in Britain.

The technology 'sees' the shapes made when radio waves emitted by mobile phone masts meet an obstruction. Signals bounced back by immobile objects, such as walls or trees, are filtered out by the receiver. This allows anything moving, such as cars or people, to be tracked. Previously, radar needed massive fixed equipment to work and transmissions from mobile phone masts were thought too weak to be useful.

The system works wherever a mobile phone can pick up a signal. By using receivers attached to mobile phone masts, users of the new technology could focus in on areas hundreds of miles away and bring up a display showing any moving vehicles and people.

An individual with one type of receiver, a portable unit little bigger than a laptop computer, could even use it as a 'personal radar' covering the area around the user. Researchers are working to give the new equipment 'X-ray vision' - the capability to 'see' through walls and look into people's homes.

and there as well known effects from pulsed microwaves and EMF so it would be easy once you can track an indivual to then traget them with a microwave hearing effect and other effects

also they could use other networks like your electric power into your home
http://www.thefind.co.uk/instruments/info-electromagnetic-devices
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[dunadan]

Technically that is not mind control, it's constant, they can't push a button to bring about changes in you. But it's still an interesting question, why 2.4ghz? I've done some research, and I can't find some particular reason why that frequency was picked. It seems that I have found the answer though.. FCC regulations. That kinda sends chills down my spine. FCC stands for Federal Communications Commission. :eek:

Has anyone seen that old film clip (circa 1950's?) with the 'scientist' within a small compound with a Bull that has been 'implanted'? In that clip the guy was using something akin to MKU and pushing a button - on a remote - so as to alter the Bull's behavior.

[oneup]

I wouldn't worry about the FCC. For the most part they do a good job. I would be more worried about black ops from the military or NSA or Homeland Security or CIA/Mossad (or whatever unnamed agencies exist outside of public knowledge). Trust me, the FCC is not reading this post right now. I'll guarantee you the others listed above ARE. ;)

If so, they must be laughing their asses of at times :p

[deca]

Has anyone seen that old film clip (circa 1950's?) with the 'scientist' within a small compound with a Bull that has been 'implanted'? In that clip the guy was using something akin to MKU and pushing a button - on a remote - so as to alter the Bull's behavior.

yep this Fascist

http://wireheading.com/jose-delgado.html
"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."
Dr José Delgado,
Director of Neuropsychiatry
Yale University Medical School Congressional Record,
No. 26, Vol. 118 February 24, 1974

[dunadan]

yep this Fascist

http://wireheading.com/jose-delgado.html

He was/is either evil or an idiot - not sure which:rolleyes:

[oneup]

He was/is either evil or an idiot - not sure which:rolleyes:

"The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."

Answer: evil.

[cluas]

Any thoughts or observations welcomed..........

Well You know, the same thing is going on here, in Denmark, the government is really keen on getting this wireless tech all over....

For FREE, so what is the catch ??

Even in the schools, and they tell us that every kid should get a mobile, haha....

And they put up mobile mast all over the cities, so we all get our brains fried, without even knowing it...

If you want internet at your home, the cheapest sollution is .... Yeah guessed right, WIRELESS .....
They even put this tech in all the trains, FOR FREE so if you are travelling there is no way to avoid it ....

Damn it's getting hot to be my brain theese days :o

[dunadan]

Well You know, the same thing is going on here, in Denmark, the government is really keen on getting this wireless tech all over....

For FREE, so what is the catch ??

Even in the schools, and they tell us that every kid should get a mobile, haha....

And they put up mobile mast all over the cities, so we all get our brains fried, without even knowing it...

If you want internet at your home, the cheapest sollution is .... Yeah guessed right, WIRELESS .....
They even put this tech in all the trains, FOR FREE so if you are travelling there is no way to avoid it ....

Damn it's getting hot to be my brain theese days :o

Yeah the same here!

What's the issue with using wired routers etc. and the governement negotiating a deal with suppliers of such? The answer is of course nothing. Yet they want WiFi rolled out nationwide.

As you hinted at nothing is truely free:eek:

There is a catch - and we all have had an educated guess(es) at what that is.

There is of course the greed/ego/stupidity angle.

In my area my friend was courted by the 'Masons and TPTB when he tried to complain - there is big money in this as well as other issues such as control - he believes that they wanted to 'buy him' in the first instance through wining and dining him (he also believes that they think that he is a 'mason).

They also dont care if it harms us or our kids - long or short term.