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largejack
07-04-2010, 08:38 AM
In the interview Icke says the science is impossible ( I assume he means in this five sense reality) for a 2000 mile round natural satellite to orbit so close to the Earth, and is one of his strong arguments for the artificial moon. Can anyone substantiate this evidence?

The interviewer also said the moon rings when it is struck, I assume by meteorites. Does this provide evidence that it is hollow?

rhydra
07-04-2010, 11:12 PM
The Earth also rings, it is the echoes of the P and S waves going back and forth along the crust, though the mantle, echoing off the core and so on. The Earth was said to be "ringing like a bell" for months after the 2004 Boxing Day Megathrust quake.

tabea_blumenschein
08-04-2010, 06:12 AM
In the interview Icke says the science is impossible ( I assume he means in this five sense reality) for a 2000 mile round natural satellite to orbit so close to the Earth, and is one of his strong arguments for the artificial moon. Can anyone substantiate this evidence?

Balderdash. The Moon would only be in trouble if it were within the Earth's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit, and it's way beyond that.

There's a little equation you can derive for bodies orbiting around a planet or star that says "the cube of the center-to-center distance between the bodies, divided by the square of the orbital period, equals a constant". In other words:

r^3 / t^2 = C

Where r is the center-to-center distance, t is the orbital period, and C is a constant. For the Earth, C = 1.01 * 10^13 (roughly). If you solve this for t, you get:

t = sqrt(r^3 / C)

Late edit: I originally mistyped the above as t = sqrt(C / r^3). Sorry!

The center-to-center distance from the Earth to the Moon is about r = 3.85 * 10^8 meters. Plug the two given numbers in and solve, and you get an orbital period of:

t = 238,886 seconds (about 27 1/2 days).

Well outside the Roche limit, and with exactly the orbital period the laws of physics tell us to expect.

So what's David's problem again? :D

moving finger
08-04-2010, 02:00 PM
The Moon is exactly where it should be as proven by science many times over, mostly based on theories invented several hundred years ago.

The whole 'ringing like a bell' thing has been said many times about the Earth as well as the Moon and it is an analogy. the word "like" is the big clue. The Moon analogy was made after a probe was fired at the moon, essentially to see what would happen.

dreamweaver
08-04-2010, 02:14 PM
The interviewer also said the moon rings when it is struck, I assume by meteorites. Does this provide evidence that it is hollow?

You'll find the quote "rings like a bell" all over the web when searching for information on the "hollow moon" theory.

One of the most famous uses of this quote in terms of the moon comes from a press conference following Apollo 12 (funny how so many hollow moon advocates believe the moon landings didn't happen, yet they widely quote this phrase out of context from... yep, the Apollo missions! :D:D:D).

There's a great thread about this at http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090402234347AAU0QLz with some great points being made.

Here's one post:

"The 'ringing like a bell' business is a misquote from the Apollo 12 post-mission press conference. The vibrations from an impact, measured by a seismometer left by the Apollo 11 mission, went on for longer than the scientists expected.

"To make it understandable to everyone, the person reporting this at the press conference described it as being as surprising as striking a bell and still finding it ringing an hour later. It was an analogy intended to convey the fact that the result was unexpected.

"It was not stated that the moon itself rang like a bell or that the vibrations continued for over an hour (another misquote I hear often). Due to misunderstandings and misquotes the original stement has been mangled almost beyond recognition to the statement that the Moon rings like a bell. That was never the intended meaning."

And another:

"Don't be so literal-minded. "Rings like a bell" is just a common expression. I work on dynamics and vibration problems and we use it all the time to describe things where the energy dissipation is low (or lower than you might expect), so vibrations continue for longer than you might expect.
Of course a few dumb journalists might have thought it was meant literally, but which part of 'dumb journalist' don't you understand?" :D

hadabusa
08-04-2010, 04:30 PM
You'll find the quote "rings like a bell" all over the web when searching for information on the "hollow moon" theory.

One of the most famous uses of this quote in terms of the moon comes from a press conference following Apollo 12 (funny how so many hollow moon advocates believe the moon landings didn't happen, yet they widely quote this phrase out of context from... yep, the Apollo missions! :D:D:D).

There's a great thread about this at http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090402234347AAU0QLz with some great points being made.

Here's one post:

"The 'ringing like a bell' business is a misquote from the Apollo 12 post-mission press conference. The vibrations from an impact, measured by a seismometer left by the Apollo 11 mission, went on for longer than the scientists expected.

"To make it understandable to everyone, the person reporting this at the press conference described it as being as surprising as striking a bell and still finding it ringing an hour later. It was an analogy intended to convey the fact that the result was unexpected.

"It was not stated that the moon itself rang like a bell or that the vibrations continued for over an hour (another misquote I hear often). Due to misunderstandings and misquotes the original stement has been mangled almost beyond recognition to the statement that the Moon rings like a bell. That was never the intended meaning."

And another:

"Don't be so literal-minded. "Rings like a bell" is just a common expression. I work on dynamics and vibration problems and we use it all the time to describe things where the energy dissipation is low (or lower than you might expect), so vibrations continue for longer than you might expect.
Of course a few dumb journalists might have thought it was meant literally, but which part of 'dumb journalist' don't you understand?" :D

its crazy how we got from this to "rang for hours":)

but hay, earth is hollow too, lets not forget:D

dreamweaver
08-04-2010, 04:31 PM
its crazy how we got from this to "rang for hours":)

but hay, earth is hollow too, lets not forget:D

And some heads. ;)

hadabusa
08-04-2010, 04:36 PM
And some heads. ;)

i think its important to differ between hollow and empty there:D