Great British War Heros

[baron von lotsov]

Now who are the real ones? I think it is time to celebrate them so I will be posting a few as and when I think of them. Lets start this off with a couple of ones in the news at the moment. Here goes.


Stewart Dimmock

The Government has offered to re-write the guidance for schools showing pupils Al Gore's climate-change documentary An Inconvenient Truth.

The move is a dramatic response to a High Court action brought by father-of-two Stewart Dimmock, a Kent school governor and a member of political group the New Party.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=485246&in_page_id=1770


Nick Hogan

REBEL landlord Nick Hogan has been reinstated as the licensee of The Swan hotel and Barristers bar.

Bolton Council's licensing department has confirmed it is amending the licence of the town centre pubs, once again naming Mr Hogan as the landlord.

He was shut out when the owner of the buldings, Paul Kylie, had his son installed as the new landlord after a meeting with licensing chiefs at Bolton Council.

But Mr Hogan launched a battle against the decision and his solicitor, Andrew Haffner, is expecting to receive the new licence tomorrow.

Mr Hogan, said: "I'm delighted and this just shows that I haven't done anything wrong . I thought I was going to be out of here on September 21, but I'm still here on September 27 because I'm an honourable, decent businessman."

Mr Hogan was locked out of The Swan and Barristers last Friday when the owner of the buildings, Paul Kylie called in the baliffs and changed the locks, claiming the terms of the lease had been broken because the landlord had allowed customers to smoke.

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/british-police-state/41963-brilliant-news-swan-bolton-public.html

[baron von lotsov]

Simon Davies

Corporations Simon had worked for and friends were called into Whitehall to spill the dirt on Simon, when that did not uncover anything companies he worked for were advised to drop him if they wanted any business from the government.

http://www.noliberties.com/stories_sg.htm

[baron von lotsov]

Mark and Nicky Webster

A High Court judge has questioned the speed at which the original family court proceedings were conducted.

In an interim hearing in February, Mr Justice Holman admitted: "I can't understand how a case of this seriousness was capable of being disposed of in a day."

The judge added that a "full inquiry" was needed into new evidence brought by an expert witness for the couple, which blew the case "wide open".


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457908&in_page_id=1770

[baron von lotsov]

Come on you lot. Don't just wallow in the shit. This country can be great again. These are the people who are doing it. Don't you know any more? Do you care or do you just get off on spreading the all-powerful state does this or that to people news? Am I confusing you now?

Who has won a battle against the system? Have you?

[vienna]

Simon Davies

Corporations Simon had worked for and friends were called into Whitehall to spill the dirt on Simon, when that did not uncover anything companies he worked for were advised to drop him if they wanted any business from the government.

http://www.noliberties.com/stories_sg.htm

QUOTE:

After six months, Simon and Gus had a four-hundred-page report.


Its conclusions were startling, and showed up how many flaws there were in the Government’s plans.

‘The policy was going to be costly, unworkable, insecure, un- popular, and essentially a poisoned chalice for any government,’ says Simon.

The report was measured, however, and pointed out that the idea of ID cards was not necessarily a disastrous one in and of itself.

‘We were careful to say that the report does not reject ID Cards, on the principle that they can work very well in other countries,’ says Gus.

‘It depends on how the card is designed. Essentially we were tearing apart the foundations of the design as done by this Government, because this Government didn’t want to just build an identity card, they wanted to build a significant infrastructure for central government.’

[malvern]

Who has won a battle against the system? Have you?

I have many on going battles with the system, today inland rev phoned asking me to pull my appeal against malvern hills over council tax... they have offered me a great deal. MHDC will be well pissed on this one :)

But I wonder what the hidden reason really is .. we had a 2 hour meeting at my place... first I took control by asking them for whom they work.. of course they got this wrong, they stated there departments... this allowed me to piont out that they work for me...us. this let me point out the bill of rights to them...after this many areas of law was talked about..... but why have they changed suite, I most of said something which they do not want in a court.......Also taking a speeding matter to trail, have all sorts watcthing this... If I prove my case they will have to payback more than me

freedom for all:)

[shodan]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/11/style/metric.php

A British grocer, Steve Thoburn of Sunderland, became known as the "metric martyr" when he was convicted in 2001 of measuring fruits and vegetables in pounds and ounces instead of kilograms. A court gave him a six-month conditional discharge. He died of a heart attack in 2004 just days after learning that his appeal to the European Court of Human Rights against a conviction for using nonmetric scales in his market stall, had been rejected.


Under a previous EU plan, Britain and Ireland would have been forced to phase out imperial measurements by 2009. But after a vociferous anti-metric campaign by British EU-skeptics and the London tabloid press, EU officials decided that an ounce of common sense, which equals 28.34 grams of common sense, suggested that granting a reprieve was better than braving a public backlash.

[shodan]

Might I suggest a sticky for this fabulous thread?

[soglad]

Shodan, your avatar scares the shit out of me!

[shodan]

Shodan, your avatar scares the shit out of me!

you and me both :D

[shodan]

IAN CURTIS




Genius? Poet? Twat?



Ian Kevin Curtis was born on 15th July 1956 to parents Kevin and Doreen Curtis in Memorial Hospital, Old Trafford Manchester.

An only son, with one sister, he made firm friends with a few of the other boys at school, continuing a couple of these friendships up until his untimely death in 1980.

During his teen years, he came across to others as a bit of a loner, though with a wicked sense of humour. Solitary at times, he would sometimes puzzle and even infuriate his close friends with his sometimes bizarre, introspective attitude to life. Perhaps this was somewhat reflected in that, when he tired of his friends, he sought his company in the form of the many records in his collection, being a particular fan of Iggy Pop, David Bowie, Toots and the Maytals, Bob Marley etc.

Another of the young Ian’s loves was his poetry, much of it probably inspired not only by the music he adored, but his surroundings. Working class Manchester, at the time, had a rather dank, grey, bleak image, partly deserved, partly not. It was to this poetry that Ian turned when nothing else seemed to make sense. Whereas other teenagers tended to ‘grow out’ of the poetry-writing stage, he persisted, keeping bundles of handwritten pages of poetry in files, boxes and binders.

A comment that Ian occasionally made to close friends, and also to his future wife, Debbie (who he married on 25th August, 1975) was that he intended to live fast and die young, predicting that he would not ‘make it past 24’. Many teenagers trying to cope with the changes and trials of adolescence make these somewhat over-dramatic claims, so few, if any, paid attention to Ian himself making that assertion.

Ian often went to see local bands play, and had decided to either join, one or form one of his own. He placed an advertisement in the music press, somewhat surprisingly only getting one reply to the advert – from Iain Gray, a guitarist, with whom Ian, at first, swapped notes on lyrics and song writing in general.



When the Sex Pistols played in the Lesser Free Trade Hall in Manchester, Ian wanted to go. He missed the first performance and was there for the second night – the same night as three other local lads who had known each other from school – Peter Hook, Terry Mason and Bernard Sumner, all of whom Ian had previously met either in record shops or at other local gigs. A few weeks later, Ian and his wife Debbie bumped into Bernard and Terry at an Iggy Pop gig.

Shortly after this, Bernard and Terry also placed an advertisement in their local Virgin Records store, stating that they wanted a vocalist for a new punk band. Various potential frontmen applied, but were rejected for a wide variety of reasons, in one case that the prospective singer didn’t even bother to get up to sing in front of them! When Ian Curtis phoned, Bernard remembered him from the times they had met up at gigs and, on the spur of the moment, accepted him as the singer without even going through the audition process or consulting the rest of the band.

The new band started rehearsing, but had problems finding a name for themselves. ‘Stiff Kittens’ was suggested by an acquaintance of Ian’s, who, at the time, was managing The Buzzcocks, another Manchester band. This name was rejected out of hand, in favour of ‘Warsaw’ which, some report, was after the David Bowie song ‘Warsawa’ on the album ‘Low’. Others say this was not correct, as these events happened around May 1977, before the release of the Bowie album. For the ‘record’, the original release date for Bowie’s ‘Low’ is recorded as 1st January 1977, though record companies do not release new product on Bank Holidays in the UK. It may be presumed though that the actual release was the following Monday, so the anecdotes of where ‘Warsaw’ got their name seem to ring true, as Ian would definitely have bought a copy of the album as soon as possible, being an avid Bowie fan.

On the 29th May, 1977, Warsaw played their first ever gig at the ‘Electric Circus’. NME journalist, Paul Morley, was at the gig and reviewed the band, giving a favourable report. It should be noted that Paul Morley, a fan from the start, played a major part in reporting on the live and studio efforts of Warsaw, later Joy Division and New Order.

Gradually, more gigs followed, including Rafters in Manchester and Eric’s in Liverpool. By this time, it became apparent that Terry Mason was not really up to the job of drummer and he became the band’s nominal manager. Tony Tabac was a short-term solution, quickly replaced by Steve Brotherdale.

In July 1977, the band recorded a demo tape at Pennine Sound Studios, Manchester. The main three members found that they didn’t really get on with Steve Brotherdale and shortly after, recruited Stephen Morris, an old school friend of Ian’s as their new drummer.

After recording a self – funded EP, entitled ‘An Ideal For Living’ at the end of the year, the band changed their name to ‘Joy Division’, which was the name that appeared on the new release. The origins of the name are discussed elsewhere and so will not be reiterated here.

One anecdote worthwhile mentioning was of the events in the basement bar at ‘Rafters’ in April, 1978, as told by Debbie Curtis, in her book ‘Touching From A Distance’;

“…he [Ian] sat down next to Tony [Wilson, later of Factory Records] obviously trying to summon the courage to speak to him. Being ill-mannered didn’t come naturally to Ian, but he forced himself.
‘You’re a fucking cunt, you are, you’re a bastard.’
‘Oh yeah?’ said Tony, ‘Why’s that?’
‘Cos you haven’t put us on television.’ “



That incident was one of the most significant in the history of the band, as it paved the way for a new manager, (Rob Gretton ex-manager of ‘The Panik’) a recording contract, and their first ever television appearance, as Wilson promised that Joy Division would be the next band that appeared on one of his shows. Thus began a long-running, often wary and eventually acrimonious relationship between members of the band and the (at the time) Granada Television broadcaster, Tony Wilson. To his credit, Wilson was true to his word, and arranged that Joy Division could perform the song ‘Shadowplay’ on the next available edition of the show, ‘Granada Reports’ in the ‘What’s On’ slot. This performance was well received and Ian and the band took heart from this, writing several new songs and playing more gigs with a renewed determination.

Around this time, Joy Division had recorded an album’s worth of material for RCA. At the end of the summer, RCA made an offer to the band, saying that they’d release the album and, depending on sales, release a second album. They stipulated that the band would receive no cash advance and that the band would receive minimal royalties from sales. Rob Gretton replied on the bands behalf, saying that the band wanted ten thousand pounds up-front and to receive a royalty cheque, split between them, of fifteen per cent per copy sold. RCA refused point-blank, but Gretton wisely recruited a solicitor, who advised that the original contract was legally dubious and that RCA would be sued in court if they tried to release the album in whole or part. RCA relented and allowed the band to buy the master tapes to cover the production expenses – the total being £1,500. For this, the band had to borrow heavily from their parents to raise the necessary cash.

The next offering from the band was a re-release of ‘An Ideal For Living’, with improved sound and a completely different, less ‘offensive’ cover design (the first, designed by Bernard, featured a Hitler Youth member, beating a drum on the front).

Towards the very end of 1978, Ian suffered his first major epileptic fit. The band were returning to Manchester from a gig at the Hope and Anchor in London, Bernard actually quite unwell, due to a bout of the ‘flu. Worrying about Ian’s health, Steve Morris drove them all to hospital, where Ian was prescribed some tablets to help calm his condition. Around this point, the band felt so dejected that Ian even talked about leaving. His epileptic fits increased from being almost unnoticeable to sometimes four a week

On the 13th of January 1979, Ian appeared on the front cover of the New Musical Express, in his now famous greatcoat. By the end of the month, the band were in the BBC Radio One studios, recording their first radio session for the DJ, John Peel. For many bands, this was a stepping stone to far greater things and this also proved true for Joy Division.

Debbie Curtis was expecting their child at this time, and in a moment of quiet reflection, Ian told her of the band’s pact, where, if any member either left the band or died, the others would only carry on under a new name. She took this as an intimation that the others might even be considering kicking Ian out of the band. This worry became greater throughout the spring of ’79, as Ian’s fits became worse and his on-stage dancing reflected his illness even more. Ian and Debbie’s daughter, Natalie, was born on the 16th April 1979.

In June, Joy Division’s first official Factory Records album, ‘Unknown Pleasures’ was released to great critical acclaim, as the band had built up quite a following due to their live performances.

The album was made even more special by the production expertise of Martin ‘Zero’ Hannett, who had been persuaded to work on the recording by Rob Gretton. Detractors of Tony Wilson should note that, though he has, over the years, been variously described as a ‘financial idiot’, ‘twat’ and in rather more blunt terms by Ian on their first meeting, he used most of his life savings to finance ‘Unknown Pleasures’. Wilson was proved right in his faith in the band, and got his money back after the first pressing. The band received around £1.80 per copy sold, although Factory had problems pressing enough copies to meet public demand. The main problem was that Factory could only afford each ten thousand pressing once the previous batch had sold. Because of this, Joy Division missed out on an album chart placing with their very first release. However, this also helped to reinforce the perceived ‘mystery’ behind the band – from the boys’ writing, to Hannett’s production, to Peter Saville’s stylish but somewhat oblique design – the album’s cover not even featuring the band’s name or the title on the front! Instead, Bernard had found a diagram of radio waves emitted by the first pulsar discovered, depicted in an encyclopaedia. Saville had taken the diagram and presented it in negative – white on black, rather than the converse, the end result being an equally dark and ‘mysterious’ cover.

After the release of the album, Ian was, again, featured on the front cover of NME, this time with a very boyish-looking Bernard beside him. The music press were very eager to interview the band, but, due to a mixture of shyness, inexperience, mix-ups and a slight mistrust on both sides, Joy Division avoided interviews for the most part, preferring the music to ‘speak for itself’ rather than having to explain themselves. Ian’s deteriorating health may also have played a part in this decision.

In August, Joy Division were asked to support The Buzzcocks on tour, which meant them giving up their day jobs. The tour was blighted by sub-standard sound mixes, bad acoustics, violence and Ian’s continuing health problems. At the end of the tour, it was suggested that Joy Division should accompany The Buzzcocks on their proposed tour of the USA. However, The Buzzcocks intended to fly, and of course, Joy Division and Factory Records could not afford the air fare for band, roadies, manager and equipment. Factory released their first Joy Division single, ‘Transmission’ backed with the old but revamped and some say improved, ‘Novelty’. Shortly after, in October, Fast! Records released a compilation called ‘Earcom 2: Contradiction’, which featured two Joy Division tracks, ‘Autosuggestion’ and ‘From Safety To Where?’

During September, Ian’s epilepsy seemed to get slightly better, the attacks being limited to two or three over the next couple of months. In October, during a gig at Plan K in Brussels, Ian is reported to have met his future mistress, Annik Honore, who was variously described as chubby, thin, a journalist and a tour arranger…

On the 26th November, Joy Division recorded ‘Love Will Tear Us Apart’. The band couldn’t agree on which version they preferred, so they recorded two separate versions of the song, one fading out, the other ending ‘properly’. The other song to be included on the proposed release was ‘These Days’, recorded in early 1980, also with Martin Hannett.

1980 started with plans for Joy Division to embark on a true European tour, rather than just a few odd dates. Unbeknown to Debbie, Annik accompanied the band on the tour, often becoming a major distraction to Ian. On his return from the tour, Ian was even more distant in his manner as far as Debbie was involved. On the back of the money made on the European tour and projected/actual record sales, plans were already being made for the previously suggested tour of the USA, with Joy Division as the headline act.. At the same time, the band had been recording tracks for the planned new album, to be called ‘Closer’.

In April 1980, Factory arranged for Joy Division to play three gigs at the Moonlight Club in London. The first two gigs went down very well, but on the third night, the band decided that they had enough time to play two gigs in one night. They were booked to play support for The Stranglers at the Rainbow Theatre, planning to go on to the Moonlight later in the evening. The lighting crew at The Rainbow were unaware of Ian’s epilepsy, and, despite repeated requests to the contrary, kept on using strobe lights, which triggered one of Ian’s more serious attacks. He was sent staggering backwards into Steve’s drumkit. The audience simply interpreted this as the ‘grand finale’ of the gig and applauded even harder.

The band managed to get to the Moonlight gig, however, after only five songs, Ian was unable to continue and Peter Hook was forced to take over on vocals. This brought it home to everyone that eventually, the band would have to either split up or find a new singer.

Around the same time, the US tour was finalised – the band’s departure date being set for the 19th May. Also, Warner Brothers had offered Joy Division a US distribution deal, with an up-front payment of one million US Dollars, enough for the band to be able to record another album at their leisure, pay for the tour outright and still be able to fund other recordings. Despite the state of Ian’s health, it was decided that the tour should go ahead regardless, everyone expecting Ian to be fully involved. The band were booked to play several ‘warm-up’ gigs in preparation for the tour, though many were either cut short or cancelled altogether, due to Ian’s increasing ill health.

Joy Division filmed the video for ‘Love Will Tear Us Apart’ on the 25th of April, in a run down warehouse room that they used to use for rehearsals. The band, Gretton and Wilson already expected the track to be a hit single, so agreed on the video – something that they had avoided for ‘Transmission’, partly due to cost and partly because they were worried about looking stupid! Even so, for this video, they refused to mime to the backing track, preferring to play live and have the video edited to sync with the music as best as possible.

The last gig, scheduled as a ‘farewell’ before the band left for America was at Birmingham University’s City Hall (later making up the live section of the album ‘Still’). The various band members went home to spend a short time with their families. For Ian, this meant keeping his epilepsy clinic appointment at Parkside Hospital.

It turns out, as told by Debbie, that Ian got the dates wrong and they arrived at the hospital two weeks early for his appointment. As well as spending time with family and friends, the band got together to rehearse for the forthcoming tour, polishing the two newest tracks, ‘Ceremony’ and ‘Little Boy’ (later renamed ‘In A Lonely Place’).



When the songs seemed rehearsed enough, Ian announced he was ‘having a break’ and arranged to meet Annik, for a stay in a small country B&B. However, Ian and Annik ran out of money, ending up on the doorstep of Rob Gretton’s flat, with nowhere to stay – obviously Ian felt he could not take Annik back to his and Debbie’s house in Barton Street, Macclesfield. When Debbie Curtis finally admitted to herself that her husband was with someone else, she understandably decided to file for divorce, seeing no other way around the situation. To her credit, she had put up with a great deal at Ian’s hands, supporting him all the way, and even managed to retain the dignity to say ‘no’ when it was suggested that she defer the divorce petition until after the tour, when she could make a great deal more money out of the situation.

On the 13th May, Ian returned to Macclesfield. He met up with Bernard and another friend to play pool in a pub that Thursday night and during the evening, they arranged to meet up again in two days time for a last beer before the US tour. Ian had been staying at his parents’ house and on the Friday evening, after getting a lift back from Peter Hook, he rang Bernard to say that he wouldn’t be able to make their Saturday meeting and would, instead, meet them at the airport on the Monday morning.

On the Saturday, Debbie had been working, leaving Natalie in the care of her parents. Before starting her evening shift, she made her way home to see Ian, who had, by then, arrived back at the family home. Ian had been watching the Werner Herzog film, ‘Stroszek’, the theme of which, on reflection, seemed to mirror his own situation fairly accurately. After a long talk, Ian told Debbie that he wanted to be alone that night, so she returned to her parents’ house and her daughter.

Sometime that night, Ian wrote a long letter to Debbie, which seemed, to him, at least, to explain how he felt. By the time he had finished writing, it was dawn. He was listening to Iggy Pop’s album, ‘The Idiot’.

Debbie found Ian’s body mid Sunday morning. He’d hanged himself in the small kitchen of their home. The note he had written to her was propped up on the mantelpiece.



Accordingly, Joy Division’s US tour was cancelled. John Peel, for whom the band had recorded two well received radio sessions, announced at the start of his show on Monday 19th May 1980, ‘Bad news lads, Ian Curtis of Joy Division is dead.’ He then played the single ‘Atmosphere’ as a tribute. Shortly afterwards, Factory released the album ‘Closer’ and the recently recorded ‘Love Will Tear Us Apart’.

Ian Curtis – Genius? Poet? Twat?

[chris]

Michael Meacher

For having the courage to speak out about 9/11.

[shodan]

Michael Meacher

For having the courage to speak out about 9/11.

Yes. And now of course BLACKLISTED from Mainstream Media. Cunts

[baron von lotsov]

[QUOTE=shodan;148209]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/11/style/metric.php


Quote:
A British grocer, Steve Thoburn of Sunderland, became known as the "metric martyr" when he was convicted in 2001 of measuring fruits and vegetables in pounds and ounces instead of kilograms. A court gave him a six-month conditional discharge. He died of a heart attack in 2004 just days after learning that his appeal to the European Court of Human Rights against a conviction for using nonmetric scales in his market stall, had been rejected.

Quote:
Under a previous EU plan, Britain and Ireland would have been forced to phase out imperial measurements by 2009. But after a vociferous anti-metric campaign by British EU-skeptics and the London tabloid press, EU officials decided that an ounce of common sense, which equals 28.34 grams of common sense, suggested that granting a reprieve was better than braving a public backlash.

QUOTE]


Yes he is the man indeed. I saw that a while back and it made me laugh. The EU can go and stuff themselves, this country is made of some rather tough people.

[jinjo5]

[QUOTE=shodan;148209]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/11/style/metric.php


Quote:
A British grocer, Steve Thoburn of Sunderland, became known as the "metric martyr" when he was convicted in 2001 of measuring fruits and vegetables in pounds and ounces instead of kilograms. A court gave him a six-month conditional discharge. He died of a heart attack in 2004 just days after learning that his appeal to the European Court of Human Rights against a conviction for using nonmetric scales in his market stall, had been rejected.

Quote:
Under a previous EU plan, Britain and Ireland would have been forced to phase out imperial measurements by 2009. But after a vociferous anti-metric campaign by British EU-skeptics and the London tabloid press, EU officials decided that an ounce of common sense, which equals 28.34 grams of common sense, suggested that granting a reprieve was better than braving a public backlash.

QUOTE]


Yes he is the man indeed. I saw that a while back and it made me laugh. The EU can go and stuff themselves, this country is made of some rather tough people.
.....theres an old comical phrase.."stands back in amazement"........but this goes beyond that to the point and beyond of any sense,even stupidity looks sensible compared with the above story.
A man effectively died cos he wasnt allowed to use the imperial measurements.....this fucking world gets sicker.

[shodan]

.....theres an old comical phrase.."stands back in amazement"........but this goes beyond that to the point and beyond of any sense,even stupidity looks sensible compared with the above story.
A man effectively died cos he wasnt allowed to use the imperial measurements.....this fucking world gets sicker.

Yeah, he was a local hereo round here, his death was so rediculously timed....well we all know the answer to that one. Which reminds me:

Robin Cook

Former minister Robin Cook dies

Robin Cook was walking with wife Gaynor when he collapsed
Former Cabinet minister Robin Cook, 59, has died after collapsing while hill walking in north-west Scotland.
It is believed he was taken ill while walking with his wife Gaynor near the summit of Ben Stack, at around 1420 BST, Northern Constabulary said.

Mr Cook was flown by coastguard helicopter to Raigmore Hospital in Inverness, where he was pronounced dead, said an NHS Highland spokesman.

Mr Cook quit as Commons leader in March 2003, in protest over the war in Iraq.

[baron von lotsov]

While on the subject of ethical MPs this is one I found out about the other day.

Good chap hey? Keeping Westminster respectable.

Norman Baker



Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information,
but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs
without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims
that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'


The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare
since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes
filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock.

It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast
which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs
on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s.

The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed
was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge.
An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm
and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said:
'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown
there was no danger to public health from these releases
which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives,
should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said:
[b]'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

http://people.tribe.net/348a0adc-d983-40b0-a873-816674073a11/blog/46462230-2ce0-492a-847d-a85a1a74b864

[synergy777]

david icke,

David Kelly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
dr david kelly

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2208671.stm

100 great British heroes

[baron von lotsov]

david icke,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly
dr david kelly

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2208671.stm

100 great British heroes

That's why we do our own list around here. Tony Blair is not a hero, he is a criminal.

[Mo0n5tar]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38103000/jpg/_38103836_150dads.jpg

[dondaz]

That's why we do our own list around here. Tony Blair is not a hero, he is a criminal.

Indeed.

Bloody good thread baron! Some interesting stuff here!;)

[baron von lotsov]

Phil Booth

One man a few years back decided to go around Glastonbury Festival with some fliers he had made up. Now the result is NO2ID. If I Google that word I get 643 000 hits. I mean that's almost as many as the UKIP (907 000). The best is yet to come here but it took someone with a vision and that is this man. Originally a teacher of sculpture apparently. Not your professional politician, just an ordinary guy who was not happy with the government's plans.

[peachped]

Tam Dalyell.

He became an MP in June 1962, when he defeated William Wolfe of the Scottish National Party in a hard fought by-election contest for West Lothian. From 1983 onwards he represented Linlithgow (basically a renaming of his West Lothian seat) and easily retained his position as their representative. He became Father of the House after the 2001 General Election, when Sir Edward Heath retired. He was an MEP from 1975 to 1979, and a member of the Labour National Executive from 1986 to 1987 for the Campaign group.

Following his outspoken opposition to the 2003 invasion of Iraq and criticism of the government, Downing Street suggested that he might face withdrawal of the Labour whip.

In May 2003 he was accused of anti-Semitism, after claiming, in an interview with the American Vanity Fair magazine, that Tony Blair was unduly influenced by a "cabal of Jewish advisers", specifically naming Lord Levy, Peter Mandelson (who is not Jewish but has a Jewish father) and Jack Straw (who is not Jewish either but has a Jewish great-grandfather). He denied that the remarks were anti-Semitic.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

On March 7, 2003 Dalyell was elected Rector of the University of Edinburgh by the staff and students. He was succeeded in 2006 by Mark Ballard.

It was announced on 13 January 2004 that he intended to stand down at the next election and he duly left the House of Commons in April 2005 after forty three years as a member of the Commons. He had been Scotland's longest-serving MP since the resignation of Bruce Millan in 1988. He was succeeded as Father of the House by Alan Williams.

He married Kathleen Wheatley, a teacher, on December 26, 1963. They have one son and one daughter, both of whom are lawyers. He is 6th cousins with Harry S. Truman through the daughter of the 1st Baronet Dalyell of the Binns.

In his retirement, and for some years previously, he has regularly contributed obituaries to The Independent.

[shodan]

http://www.greenhamwpc.org.uk/

On the 5th September 1981, the Welsh group “Women for Life on Earth” arrived on Greenham Common, Berkshire, England. They marched from Cardiff with the intention of challenging, by debate, the decision to site 96 Cruise nuclear missiles there. On arrival they delivered a letter to the Base Commander which among other things stated ‘We fear for the future of all our children and for the future of the living world which is the basis of all life’.

tptb used microwave attacks against them:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5259984960427617652&q=Greenham+Common&total=52&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[baron von lotsov]

Stuart Davidson

The beat bobby who used his internet blog to lift the lid on the endless paperwork and political correctness of modern policing revealed his identity last night to announce he is quitting Britain.

Using the pseudonym PC David Copperfield, Stuart Davidson, 36, charted his frustrations at the red tape and target-driven culture facing officers.

His tales of unnecessary bureaucracy at the expense of catching real crooks became so popular they spawned a bestselling book and even saw him denounced in the Commons by ministers.

Mr Davidson, who was an officer in Burton-on-Trent for four years, started writing The Policeman's Blog three years ago. It received more than 1.5million hits.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482164&in_page_id=1770

[shodan]

Maya Anne Evans

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=371004&in_page_id=1770

Maya Anne Evans, a 25-year-old cook, became the first person to be prosecuted under the law which bans unauthorised demonstrations within one kilometre of Westminster after reciting the names of British soldiers killed in Iraq outside the gates of Downing Street

[baron von lotsov]

A new hero just emerging today and an unlikely one for some of you.

Viscount Monckton

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THE tormentors of Al Gore, who last week won a legal victory against his film, An Inconvenient Truth, are to step up their battle by sending British secondary schools a documentary attacking the science of global warming.

Channel 4’s The Great Global Warming Swindle has become one of the most notorious documentaries of the year, attracting complaints from dozens of scientists and viewers.

This weekend, however, the campaigners behind the High Court case said they planned to send copies to 3,400 secondary schools “to counter Gore’s flagrant propaganda”.

Gore is a joint winner of the Nobel peace prize for his efforts to educate the world about climate change. An Inconvenient Truth has also won two Oscars.

The distribution of The Great Global Warming Swindle is being funded by Viscount Monckton, who is part of a counter-campaign to undermine the scientific consensus on climate change.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article2652851.ece

[baron von lotsov]

Derek Pasquill

In his speech to last month's Labour conference, Gordon Brown declared: "I have no doubt that the best answer to disengagement from our democracy is to renew our democracy. And that means more change … change to strengthen our liberties to uphold the freedom of speech, freedom of information and the freedom to protest."

Three days later, Derek Pasquill, an official at the Foreign Office, was charged under the Official Secrets Act. The case is said to follow the publication in the New Statesman and elsewhere of a series of revelations highlighting dangerous government policy. The articles included an exposé of British acquiescence in the illegal shipment by America of terrorist suspects, and a number of disclosures about engagement with radical Islam.

The articles gave rise to a number of questions in Parliament, leading to cross-party support and significant shifts in policy. "Extraordinary rendition" (state-sanctioned kidnapping) had become a matter of deep shame for the British government. After the Statesman reported that ministers knew such actions would be illegal, this indefensible policy of tacit support for America was quietly dropped.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=ELLGYMWYGWJ3HQFIQMGSFFOAVCBQ WIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/10/19/do1903.xml

[hagbard_celine]

Cindy Sheehan.

Also: I think the biggest heroes in wartime are those who have both the intelligence to realize what's really going down behind all the propaganda and the courage to speak out about it. This usually means refusing to fight themselves, and they get called cowards!:confused:

[shodan]

The clip says it all

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[oceanwave]

Cindy Sheehan.

Also: I think the biggest heroes in wartime are those who have both the intelligence to realize what's really going down behind all the propaganda and the courage to speak out about it. This usually means refusing to fight themselves, and they get called cowards!:confused:

is she british?

;)

[hagbard_celine]

is she british?

;)

No, sorry. It's British only.

[oceanwave]

No, sorry. It's British only.
no need to apologise, just thought i'd say something in case you get jumped on...

btw, i agree with you, the so called 'cowards' are usually the bravest of us all

also, imo, the thread should be titled "Great War Heroes" to make it international

:)

[baron von lotsov]

no need to apologise, just thought i'd say something in case you get jumped on...

btw, i agree with you, the so called 'cowards' are usually the bravest of us all

also, imo, the thread should be titled "Great War Heroes" to make it international

:)

Na, the NWO is international. It merges all countries into one common purpose. This thread is about Britain and we have our own unique ways of dealing with the unaccountable powers. If you want to start a thread on Great American War Heroes by all means. Hopefully this thread will remind people about what it is to be British and we are having that identity taken away from us now. I expect because it is not NWO compatible.

[oceanwave]

Na, the NWO is international. It merges all countries into one common purpose. This thread is about Britain and we have our own unique ways of dealing with the unaccountable powers. If you want to start a thread on Great American War Heroes by all means. Hopefully this thread will remind people about what it is to be British and we are having that identity taken away from us now. I expect because it is not NWO compatible.

i said nothing about america nor nwo...

if you note, i said international not NWO, for the very same reason as you...

it would be nice to hear if there are others around the world doing the same...

...defending their identities

...cultures are a wonderful thing...

but, as the thread title states, it is about british heroes, so i respect that

...good day, sir...

:)

[baron von lotsov]

Norman Baker

I know he has already been mentioned but he is a serial war hero.
this is dynamite and it's in the papers right now. re Dr David Kelly.


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Life could be made very difficult, he was told. How did he fancy having no money?


Naturally, this prospect did not appeal, and there he left matters until, at a wedding, he chanced upon an old friend whom he described to me initially as a very senior civil servant, but later as a "spook" from MI6.



He told his friend of his interest in the Kelly affair and also of the threatening phone call he had received.



His friend's reply was a serious one: he should be careful, particularly when using his phone or his computer. Moreover, he should let the Kelly matter drop.


But my contact did not do so. Two weeks later he met his friend again, this time in a pub, and pressed him on the matter.

>{? His friend took him outside, and as they stood in the cool air, told him Dr Kelly's death had been "a wet operation, a wet disposal".

He also warned him in very strong terms to leave the matter well alone. This time he decided to heed the warning.


I asked my contact to explain what he understood by the terms his friend had used. Essentially, it seems to refer to an assassination, perhaps carried out in a hurry.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/new...8667&in_page_id=1770

[baron von lotsov]

^

[baron von lotsov]

David Bellamy

Now, this is the return of one. Not only is this man everyone's favourite botanist but he is an honest man as well. So honest that he just could not manage to sit around watching the world produce so much hot air that it could affect the climate. The NWO climate of course! Now he was one who was head of various prestigious institutions with the word royal in their names. He got booted out of two of them and after many threats he decided to withdraw from public debate. The Wicked Pedia was writing his GW obituary a while back and it all looked calm on the western front. Until yesterday to be precise. Did you ever expect such a war hero to put down his sword and retire comfortably with a Ministry of Truth pension? Hardly.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article2709551.ece

[baron von lotsov]

Ah a second war hero today for you lot.

Andrew McClintock

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2719462.ece

A Christian magistrate was forced to resign because he refused to place children for adoption with gay couples, an employment appeal tribunal was told yesterday.

Andrew McClintock, 63, stood down from the family panel in Sheffield after he was refused exemption from adoption hearings involving same-sex couples. He had written to his employers requesting the exemption before the law changed in April to allow same-sex couples to adopt. His request was refused and he resigned.

At his appeal against that decision yesterday, Paul Diamond, for Mr McClintock, said that his client believed that he had rational grounds to question whether it was in the child’s best interest to be placed with a gay couple. He said that his client felt that placing a child with a gay couple was an experiment in social science.

“It is possible to argue that a child can thrive in a same-sex household. What is more difficult to argue, however, is that it is anything but experimental,” Mr Diamond said.

Mr Diamond insisted that Mr McClintock’s view was not a deep-seated religious belief, but the “valid and responsible” opinion of a “reasonable scientific officer”. Mr Diamond said: “He simply said, ‘In my view the best interests of a child are best served by a dual-gender upbringing’.

[oceanwave]

shoulda made it international mate

:)